Tuesday Forum: August 11, 2020

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  1. OldOzzie

    Tony Abbott: China must be held to the same standards they hold us to

    Tony Abbott, The Daily Telegraph

    It was scarcely five years ago. Australia and China had just finalised a free trade deal, Australia had just been admitted into China’s club of “comprehensive strategic partners”, and in our own national parliament, President Xi Jinping himself made the pretty extraordinary declaration that China would be “democratic ….by the middle of the century”.

    Even though he might not have meant “democracy” in our sense, it still seemed a watershed moment.

    Perhaps it was the high tide of the optimism about China that most Westerners had cherished since the market reforms of Deng Xiaoping; thinking that more economic freedom would inevitably mean some political freedom; and that sooner or later, China would resemble Hong Kong but on a colossal scale.

    As we now know only too well, China’s communist leaders did not see market freedoms as a prelude to political ones. For them, allowing people to trade was a concession to make China richer, not to make citizens freer.

    After all, the same leader who’d said that “to get rich is glorious” had also advised his comrades to hide their strength and to bide their time. And now, that time has finally come: to banish China’s century of humiliation and, once more, to become the world’s “Middle Kingdom”, or dominating power.

    Clearly, it was a mistake to think that China’s Marxism-Leninism shouldn’t be taken too seriously, or that it wouldn’t reinforce traditional exceptionalism.

    And with the communist party’s power unchallenged and with Xi utterly dominant, the prospect of any convergence between China and the West, any time soon, is almost non-existent The new normal is a cold peace at best. And we’d better get used to it.

    One of the reasons we struggle to “get” China is that it’s the one country that Australians routinely deals with, that’s quite unlike us. Its businesses are not private. Its citizens are not free, and cannot say what they really think. China does everything with strategic intent. All that really matters is whether it strengthens the Chinese state.

    Of course, as Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore prove, let alone all the Australians of Chinese descent, there is no authoritarian gene in Chinese DNA. None. Like nearly everyone, Chinese people want freedom and justice, as much as wealth. It’s just that they have no expectation of getting it from their government.

    So how does a country like Australia cope, when its biggest trading partner has become its biggest strategic challenge? To start, by not indulging in wishful thinking and self-blame; or by adopting a false moral equivalence between China and the US; characterised by a massive double standard in judging their leaders.

    If China does divert its iron ore and coal imports from Australia, to Brazil and to Indonesia instead, that will hurt. Profits will fall, tax revenue will fall, and jobs will be hit. If China turns off the tap of foreign students, that will hurt too.

    But China buys our products because that’s good for China, not because it’s good for us. And China sends its students here because of what it can get, not because of what it can give. China is more than ready, much readier than we are, to take some pain in order to teach us a lesson – to warn its students off, and to subject our exports to bogus safety inspection and capricious hold-ups.

    Rather than complain about the alleged inadequacies of our own government, we just have to accept that this is the price of dealing with a thin-skinned dictatorship. For us, the real economic pain will come after the development of additional, alternative, Chinese-controlled iron ore, gas, and coal supplies in third-world countries that are more susceptible to exploitation.

    This is where our own scrupulosity on ethical and environmental standards is likely to end up doing more harm than good, with projects like the Simandou iron-ore province in Guinea, and the cobalt monopoly of the Congo falling into Chinese hands, while our own domestic cost structures keep going up.

    Even so, our challenge is not to sell less to China, because while China needs our good and services, they’re at least somewhat dependent on us. Our challenge is to buy less from China because having China in our supply chains is what makes us economically dependent on them.

    I’m not suggesting abrogating the free trade deal, given that, in practice, it’s been better for our exports than for China’s. Tariffs are a blunt instrument. But there’d be no reason why government, in all its own purchases, shouldn’t have a premium for Australian-made; and, for anything sensitive, a requirement that all the components are sourced from trusted countries.

    Because China has been so good at exploiting rules that it doesn’t adhere to itself (on emissions reduction, for instance, or on intellectual property law), Australia’s approach, henceforth, should be one of strict reciprocity. On accepting foreign investment, on allowing students into courses with strategic spin-off, and on permitting land ownership, we should only allow China or its citizens to do here what they would allow us to do there.

    Effectively, that means no further Chinese land ownership in Australia; it means Chinese investment only in joint ventures in the “old economy”; it means being very selective about academic collaborations; and it means hardly any Chinese higher degree students in maths and the hard sciences.

    We can’t, and shouldn’t, disengage with China; but our dealings with them have to be as hard-headed and as strategically-minded as theirs are with us. We should be more conscious of what we have done for China; and less intimidated by what they have done for themselves, or might do to us.

    By giving China a measure of resource, energy and food security, Australia has helped in shifting a half billion Chinese from the third world to the middle class in scarcely a generation. All credit to the Chinese people, though; and to the government, since Deng’s time, for at least not standing in the way of the biggest and fastest advance in human wellbeing in all history.

    But can China’s rise remain peaceful? That’s the great question, right now, for the whole world.

    This is an edited extract of a speech delivered by Hon. Tony Abbott AC at the Sydney Institute on Tuesday

  2. Was it Hitchcock who called actors cattle?

    Indeed, it was he.
    IIRC his actual wording was; they should be treated as cattle.

    Which is a bigger slap again.

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My mother was in a high-dependency aged care home that was an excellent facility taking good care of the residents and where she had her own room with her own things in it. She was shunted there from an acute care hospital bed because she was unable to go home and still needed high dependency care but not intensive medical treatment. She didn’t like being in the care home at all and made that known to the staff. When she started to medically deteriorate once again only six weeks after she came there they quickly sent her back to the hospital, which pleased her, as she saw the care home as death’s door and the hospital as somewhere for those who might get better. She knew she would not, and we knew it too, but she perked up quite well for a few days and passed away in the hospital happily at rest having had lots of visitors. My point here is that it is a ‘right’ to go to hospital, a normal thing to do, and many older people must now feel they don’t count in this regard any more.

    I pushed her out of the hospital on ‘day leave’ in a wheelchair to a private chiropodist in Newtown (very gay territory these days) near the hospital and she was delighted to be back in familiar and lively surroundings. Ten years before she had asked us to buy an apartment for her right on the main street, because she thought it was ‘interesting’, so much so that she went out walking there every day until her final illness. She refused to go to the neighbourhood old people’s centre because she said it was full of old people. Some very nice gay women in her building used to look in on her often to help out and the Chinese couple running the Chinese take-away over the road came to her funeral and cried real tears for her. Her ‘special friend’, a man 45 years younger than her 90 years, who lived locally, used to visit three times a week to share a meal, often one she’d cooked (bravo that man for she was a terrible cook) and I was in an out constantly, plus other family at times too. She and her new best friend Mavis used to write poetry about Newtown, where Mavis had grown up and still had a house; poems about street life and how you couldn’t tell the girls from the boys anymore but you could still get your boots mended; last place in Sydney, Mavis used to say. She and Mavis used to read these poems, which were often amusing, out to anyone who wanted to hear them as they sat together in a park or on a bus stop. And many did stop to listen. This was ‘community’ at its best.

  4. Boambee John

    it means being very selective about academic collaborations; and it means hardly any Chinese higher degree students in maths and the hard sciences.

    Indeed.

    Chinese students should be allowed to enrol in courses in womins studies, intersectionality, mime theatre, environmental protection, and similar courses in post-modern wankery.

  5. thefrollickingmole

    Leftist scum almost stumble over a glitch in the “If we tax enough everything will be free”, but fortunately manage to avert their eyes from the implications of their idiocy…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/11/why-would-anyone-argue-against-billionaires-paying-more-tax-just-see-useful-idiot-theory

    Bernie Sanders has a plan to help. Last week, Sanders introduced a bill, the Make Billionaires Pay Act, that would establish a one-time 60% tax on billionaires’ pandemic gains and use the money to guarantee Americans free healthcare for a year.

    So a 60% tax pays for a ONE OFF “free” year.
    But its effectively the same policy they have for everything, how many times can you lob a 60% tax at a group before the diminishing returns kick in?

    ,….
    There is very little chance the bill will get passed, but if it did Jeff Bezos would have to pay about $45bn in tax from the $75bn he has gained since mid-March, and Mark Zuckerberg would owe about $25bn out of the $42bn he has made in the pandemic, according to Americans for Tax Fairness (although these profit calculations have been contested). Somehow, I feel that each man would still manage to live a fairly comfortable life.

    Billionaires shouldn’t exist in the first place – the idea that they should be taxed at a higher rate during a pandemic to help subsidise healthcare shouldn’t be remotely controversial.

  6. notafan

    That’s a good piece by Mr Abbott.

    Nothing like the sour tweets of RuddBull

  7. Anne

    Obama on Joe’s VP pick:

    “Joe Biden nailed this decision.”

  8. OldOzzie

    Tucker Carlson calls Biden-Harris the ‘first entirely hollow presidential ticket in American history’

    ‘There are timeshare salesmen you would trust more than Kamala Harris.’

    The Democratic ticket of former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., is “entirely hollow,” Tucker Carlson argued on Tuesday.

    The “Tucker Carlson Tonight” host believed that he thought Biden would pick former National Security Advisor Susan Rice for the No. 2 spot.

    “Rice has sincere beliefs whether you like them or not …,” Carlson said. “But Kamala Harris is the opposite of that.

    “Harris may be the single most transactional human being in America,” he went on. “There are timeshare salesmen you would trust more than Kamala Harris. You could find payday lenders who are more sincere.

  9. JC

    The second is the abortion the Dems are attempting.

    Zat, where do you think this is heading in terms of the final outcome?

  10. Mother Lode

    For this reason, Diep Tran, an arts journalist specialising in diversity and the ethics of representation,

    So he specialises in the non-artisitic side of art, and an activity defined as creative is analysed by the prescriptive.

    One day he/she/it is going to be shocked when he/she/it is told by an employer that they are being let go. He/she/it will be astonished that anyone could think that the arts could get by without his/her/its input.

    That is why all that old art – Giotto, Michelangelo, Dali etc was so bad.

  11. Mother Lode

    “Joe Biden nailed this decision.”

    He wouldn’t have been the first one.

    Although I thought he was more of a hair and ear man.

  12. Pedro the Loafer

    In happier news, the Queen has approved Teddy Sheean’s award of the Victoria Cross.

    Now officially Sheean VC.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I would say scrupulousness not scrupulosity but both seem to be acceptable, and Tony Abbott makes the point well. It’s a well-reasoned speech but the provisos need to be attended quite carefully so that we don’t come a cropper by just going on pretty much as usual, in a default position.

  14. 1735099

    Here’s the whole 8 minutes.

    It would be interesting to see what led up to this.
    Based on the behaviour shown it’s unlikely that the police acted first.
    There’s one filmed assault and 8 minutes of foul mouthed abuse at people doing their job, taken by the “boyfriend”. She was lowered to the footpath quite gently.
    That’s not the vernacular – Australians don’t swear like that.
    “Motherfucker” comes from the other side of the Pacific.
    They obviously learned their language reading far Right blogs.
    The coppers deserve medals for ignoring the abuse, especially from the “boyfriend”.
    He should have been charged with obstruction.

  15. OldOzzie

    Joe Biden Needed a Typed Script to Call Kamala Harris and Tell Her She’s the VP Pick

    Biden is also holding the phone upside down. Regardless, it’s a bit odd for him to not just have bullet points for such a simple call, but to literally have to have it written out why he’s even calling her. You’d think that’d be pretty well cemented in his mind at this point, but I guess not.

    And while some of this is tongue in cheek, it’s pretty clear that Biden is the most scripted, controlled candidate in modern history. Even the pick of Harris appears to be out of his hands, as you’d expect no normal human being to pick as their running mate a person who has insinuated they are a racist and agreed they committed sexual assault. But here we are, with Harris on the ticket.

    Heck, CNN is even saying the quiet part out loud.

    Joe Biden made the pick that maximized his chances of continuing to make the race a straight referendum on Trump while also selecting someone whose resume suggests being ready to step in, if and when Biden decides to step aside. | Analysis by @CillizzaCNN

    They are already writing Biden’s political obituary and he’s not even President yet (nor is there any guarantee he will be). Harris is the real candidate at this point. The media are going to treat her like a transcendent queen. Harris appeals to all their sensibilities. Which, as my colleague Jeff Charles pointed out, is to say she makes all the white liberals in the media very excited.

    Biden may be so far gone that he needs a professional script to make a simple phone call, but Harris is far more cunning and ambitious. That doesn’t make her a good politician. After all, she flamed out in December before the first primary. But it does make her someone who is willing to do anything to get to where she wants to be.

    In the end, this is her ticket. Biden is just a pawn.

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In happier news, the Queen has approved Teddy Sheean’s award of the Victoria Cross.

    Now officially Sheean VC.

    That’s great. I was having a quiet little thought that maybe if Her Maj was a little ill, or even worse, that it could all fall over at the last, which would be a terrible thing to happen. I guess King Charlie could do the signature, but it would be way down the list in the turmoil of sorting out The Queen is Dead; Long Live the King.

  17. dover_beach

    The wife is heavily involved. Don’t pester me for details, please.

    Rainbow Sash. Say no more.

  18. Makka

    The coppers deserve medals

    Not at all surprising. Totalitarian marxists like you would naturally get all aroused seeing around a dozen cops take down a diminutive woman for not towing the state’s line. Especially if she is swearing.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In the end, this is her ticket. Biden is just a pawn.

    He does seem to be deteriorating exceptionally fast. Will he make the next 100 days?

    I guess the Democrats have form in keeping a candidate live when they are almost not, if we bear in mind the Supreme Court fiasco.

    US voters should make no mistake about it; they are not voting for Biden but Kamala.
    Do they really want her? And her shadowy backers?

  20. JC

    Oh really, so under no circumstances can you swear at a cop. Moreover, in this case the male with her was tirelessly informing the albino cop she had a doctor’s letter stating she didn’t have to wear a mask.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    “Joe Biden nailed this decision.”

    He wouldn’t have been the first one.

    John Hinderaker put this quote up.

    I just did a bit on the Howie Carr show, and Howie closed by noting that in his upcoming column he is going to write that Harris got her start working under Willie Brown. Happy days are here again!

    The meme generators will be doing overtime, and just might be a bit unsafe for the office.

    Breaking: It’s Harris [With Comments by John and Paul] | Power Line

  22. JC

    I counted around 10 cops attending the arrest of a short, tubby gal in Melbourne. This means these imbeciles have absolutely nothing to do if a regiment is attending such an arrest. There looks like there’s a very real argument about de-funding Vicpol.

    De-fund Vicpol.

  23. So who gets to accept the medal ? Since it will be worth a few bucks it is going to get interesting as to what happens to it.

    “Now officially Sheean VC”.

  24. hzhousewife

    Top Ender, congratulations to you and your team of sponsors for persisting in getting an honest reward for Teddy Sheean VC, it is very pleasing. So glad the Queen agrees.

  25. Top Ender

    So who gets to accept the medal?

    Likely Garry Ivory, Teddy’s nephew, will accept it.

  26. Zatara

    JC

    Depending on how bad the vote fraud is I’m predicting Trump wins but the Dems shift right into challenging the election in the courts.

    The Dem vote fraud thing is a HUGE issue simmering just below the surface. They’ve been prepping the battlefield for cheating on and opposing the election for months.

    Once the election is sorted our the next phase begins. Unless the Reps hold both houses of congress stand by for another 4 years of the same lawfare bullshit.

  27. Top Ender

    Thanks HzH. Publisher is now running out of the Sheean biography, so there’s that. A reprint is planned.

  28. Johanna:

    Then they will rely on the notoriously unreliable US Postal Service to get them back in time. At a minimum, it could lead to litigation about the validity of results, which suits the Dems just fine if Trump wins.

    It’s a little more sinister than that.
    Refer the 20th Amendment? If the results of the polling haven’t decided who won the Presidency/VP hasn’t been announced by 20th January, the Presidency will follow the normal line of succession. In this instant it will be the Speaker of the House of Representatives – Nancy Pelosi.
    This is what the mail in votes is all about – the votes can be held up in transit/destroyed or litigated into irrelevance.
    On the 20th January at midday, Nancy becomes the President of the US, or inherits the powers and duties of the Presidency. There seems to be some ambiguity here. It would be almost impossible to carry out the duties of the Speaker of the House of Representatives as well as the powers and duties of the Presidency.
    Or I may have just misread the whole thing.

  29. woolfe

    Long Live the King

    Sorry not Charles (NADT) but William, yes. Long Live King Will!

  30. woolfe

    I guess the Democrats have form in keeping a candidate live

    Also have form in keeping threats Dead.

  31. Top Ender #3545439, posted on August 12, 2020 at 3:27 pm
    Queen has approved the VC for Teddy Sheean

    For almost 30 years I’ve had his photo on my office wall.
    Today I’ll take it down.

  32. johanna

    Indeed, Winston.

    I can only assume that the Trump team already have a plan for dealing with this very possible scenario. Presumably it would involve the Supreme Court. Deliberately sabotaging an election so as to overturn the result cannot be permitted if democracy is to survive in the US.

  33. Old Ozzie:

    On accepting foreign investment, on allowing students into courses with strategic spin-off, and on permitting land ownership, we should only allow China or its citizens to do here what they would allow us to do there.
    Effectively, that means no further Chinese land ownership in Australia; …

    If China refuses to let us own land in their country, then we should make them divest their holdings here – by parliamentary means if necessary.
    I believe reciprocity should be pursued as a basis for trade between Australia and the rest of the world – we can compete but not against crooked nations who refuse to abide by the rule of law while demanding we do so.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Winston – In theory each of the states has a cut off date and time, which is usually something like 8pm on the night of the election.

    The trouble is Obama judges. That occurred in the NY primary, where one forced the election board to count the late mail-in votes even though they arrived after the cut off time.

    Judge orders that NY ballots on House primaries be counted (4 Aug)

    And that was just one Dem primary election. The Nov 3 election will be a humongous load on the postal system. So you can expect the litigation to count votes arriving after cut off times will cause total chaos.

    Which is where the 20th comes in.

  35. Zatara

    Winston

    Unfortunately it’s not that clear. The Constitution does mention what happens if an election did not occur, but that’s not the case here. It occurred, but is contested. The Constitution never envisioned that situation and at a minimum it would be another ‘constitutional crisis’.

    However, elections have consequences and Pelosi may not be the Speaker of the House. The entire Congress is up for re-election and who knows how that turns out.

    Alan Dershowitz discusses it here.

  36. Leigh Lowe

    Pedro the Loafer

    #3545435, posted on August 12, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    In happier news, the Queen has approved Teddy Sheean’s award of the Victoria Cross.

    Now officially Sheean VC.

    Kind of makes a dick of Angus Houston who was “afraid it might embarass Lizzie 2.0”.
    No Angus.
    It embarasses all the flogs in Defence who mulled over the obvious for 75 years.
    Jeez.
    Lizzie recently knighted a bloke for walking around his garden.
    She was never going to have a problem with this.

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3545452, posted on August 12, 2020 at 3:36 pm
    Oh really, so under no circumstances can you swear at a cop. Moreover, in this case the male with her was tirelessly informing the albino cop she had a doctor’s letter stating she didn’t have to wear a mask.”

    Well JC..the bin chicken is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel and is looking for attention because I can guarantee you if that woman was indigenous, a Muesli or any other minority he would be posting a comment attacking the police and crying, screaming and howling “police brutality”…and this pearler….priceless…

    “That’s not the vernacular – Australians don’t swear like that.”

    Bin chicken is a moron.

  38. zyconoclast

    The ‘fox eye’ beauty trend continues to spread online. But critics insist it’s racist

    “Ching chong eyes!” That’s what elementary school kids used to call Sophie Wang. It was an insidious racist slur casually thrown around as they mocked her Asian ethnicity while pulling on the corner of their eyes. Upward for Japanese. To the side for Chinese. Downward for Korean.

    Wang is now 17 and many years removed from the days when her Asian American identity was reduced to “a single facial feature.” And yet, scrolling through social media posts in recent months has brought those memories flooding back thanks to a new beauty trend: “fox eyes.”

    Appropriating Asian eyes
    Kelly H. Chong, a sociology professor at the University of Kansas, defines cultural appropriation as the adoption, often unacknowledged or inappropriate, of the ideas, practices, customs and cultural identity markers of one group by members of another group whom have greater privilege or power.

  39. Kamala Harris’s view of law and order is that she believed allegations against Biden whilst also saying the “attack” on Jussie Smollet was a modern day lynching.

  40. stackja

    Two things we know.
    Xi created the virus crisis.
    Dan made it worse in Australia.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    “JC
    #3545452, posted on August 12, 2020 at 3:36 pm
    Oh really, so under no circumstances can you swear at a cop.

    What is offensive language?
    There is the story (maybe true, maybe pubbling) of a bloke who was up before the Magistrate for offensive language.
    The soft-touch magistrate tied himself in knots to get the bloke off, citing “common usage” therefore not offensive.
    Case dismissed.
    Call the next one.
    Bailiff makes the call.
    No show.
    Police informant :- “No fuckin’ appearance, yer ‘onner.”

  42. zyconoclast

    Banks and tech giants including JPMorgan and Amazon pledge to hire 100,000 minority and low-income New Yorkers

    -Leaders from 27 firms that represent many of New York’s dominant industries banded together to create the New York Jobs CEO Council, which aims to hire 100,000 people from low-income Black, Latino and Asian communities by 2030, according to a release.

  43. OldOzzie

    Winston Smith
    #3545470, posted on August 12, 2020 at 4:02 pm

    I believe reciprocity should be pursued as a basis for trade between Australia and the rest of the world – we can compete but not against crooked nations who refuse to abide by the rule of law while demanding we do so.

    A salutary lesson on why you do not do business in/with China

    How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company
    August 2, 2020 / brianpeckford
    From WSJ

    How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company
    A joint venture applied to Beijing for patents on 510 of my designs, without notifying or crediting me.

    By Steve Saleen

    July 31, 2020 6:13 pm ET


    President Trump said last month that talks for a phase 2 trade agreement with China were on the back burner. If they resume, it is more important than ever that any deal protect American companies and their intellectual property from theft by China. My experience doing business in China shows the lengths to which the Chinese government will go to steal American intellectual property.

    My story began in 2016, when I entered a joint venture with the government of Rugao, a city in Jiangsu province with a population of 1.4 million. Rugao needed expertise to start an automotive manufacturing company that would create jobs.

    I would bring experience, design, engineering and related technologies developed over my 40-year career in the automotive industry building race cars and high-performance street cars. My contributions to the deal were valued at $800 million, and I would maintain a majority stake in the new company along with my American partners. Rugao would bring $500 million in capital and $600 million in subsidized loans over three years to fund manufacturing sites and operations, and receive a minority stake.

    The deal was a sham. It was a trap designed to secure my intellectual property, then use intimidation tactics and lies to nullify the agreement and seize control.

    The first few years of the venture, named Jiangsu Saleen Automotive Technologies, were relatively smooth. I contributed three well-designed, well-engineered vehicles, hired staff, set up supply chains and launched marketing. The Rugao government contributed some of the promised capital, but nowhere near the amount needed to get operations up and running at scale.

    I would later find out that while I was busy fulfilling my end of the bargain, the joint venture applied for 510 Chinese patents for my designs, technologies, trade secrets and engineering developments. Most of the patent filings didn’t even list me as the inventor. With many of these Chinese patents approved, Rugao was ready to take over the joint venture and steal the intellectual property.

    Rugao is now claiming the initial valuation of my contributions was based on false information. But the city government itself requested, verified and accepted the valuation, picking at the outset three separate firms to conduct independent appraisals. The government never contested any of what these reviews found. In the past three months, Rugao has demanded the valuation companies say their findings were based on false information.

    You could ask Grace Yin Xu about this—if you could find her. Grace is a Chinese national who serves as the director of corporate affairs for Jiangsu Saleen. In the early stages of the deal Grace was a liaison between the joint venture and the valuation firms. Chinese law enforcement recently instructed Grace to say that my business partner provided false information and embezzled money. She refused to lie. She entered a government building in Rugao on the morning of June 22 and hasn’t been heard from since.

    Rugao law enforcement also detained Frank Sterzer, our vice president of manufacturing, for intimidation on June 29. Frank, a German citizen, was released after six hours with no explanation for the detention after he managed to contact the German Embassy using a cellphone the police forgot to confiscate.

    Though my colleagues refused to lie, the government has convinced one of the three evaluation firms to do so. The Shanghai Wanlong Asset Appraisal Co. issued a public statement denying it performed a valuation report at all, and the government used that statement to declare the reports were fabricated. The government has also levied bogus embezzlement charges against my partners and me over money used to fund vehicle development—payments the government knew about and approved before they were made.

    China’s aggressive theft of intellectual property is well documented. In a 2019 survey of the CNBC Global CFO Council, 1 in 5 North American corporations said China had stolen their intellectual property within the past year. By one estimate this stealing costs the American economy $600 billion annually.

    China can no longer go unchecked. The U.S.-China trade deal must include protections for American companies and consumers, who ultimately will pay the price for Beijing’s theft. The Trump administration should have the power to deny access to U.S. consumer and capital markets to foreign entities found to be directly benefiting from the theft of American intellectual property.

    The U.S. should also deny thieves access to banking systems and require the Securities and Exchange Commission to judge whether a company’s use of stolen intellectual property is a material condition that should be publicly reported. In addition to blocking such goods from the U.S. market, Congress should pass legislation to block banks, investment companies and other financial institutions and stock exchanges from using asset valuation reports prepared by any Chinese asset valuation firms. These reports are easily manipulated by the Chinese government.

    Such measures may not be enough to protect my 40 years of work and the brand I have built. But it isn’t too late for other American entrepreneurs whose livelihoods are at stake. Congress, and the Trump administration should send a clear message to China: If you want to be in the race, play by the rules.

    Mr. Saleen is a retired race car driver and founder of Saleen Inc.

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    Gad Saad on Kamala Harris….

  45. Zatara

    Regarding the presidential vote, we are forgetting the Electoral College. It’s their vote that counts.

    BS regarding recounts or late mail-ins aside, the Federal Electoral Count Act requires that the Electors

    “meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December”

    So in theory that’s that.

  46. zyconoclast

    A 1000 word article to make that joke?

    [email protected] Can Help You Cope With Anxiety — Seriously

    Rita M., a 20-year-old social work student living in Seattle, Washington, used to [email protected] three to five times a week. But as with everything else, during a global pandemic, self-pleasure has been hard to come by. She’s not alone in finding it more difficult to engage in this form of self-care. And yet, the benefits of [email protected] may actually come in more handy than ever. Tending to ourselves is one step in navigating a new normal.

  47. OldOzzie

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3545482, posted on August 12, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    Gad Saad on Kamala Harris….

    I liked the summatiom at the end of that Video starting with that Harris “is a Snake, who will say anything, do anything, step over anyone, to pursue her selfish careerist aspirations”

    with finally

    Kamala Harris, she is as principled as TecBundy, except that he was less Sinsiter

  48. OldOzzie

    Oops finger slip

    Kamala Harris, she is as principled as Ted Bundy, except that he was less Sinister

  49. Makka

    “is a Snake, who will say anything, do anything, step over anyone, to pursue her selfish careerist aspirations”

    Black man’s take on Harris for VP.

  50. Cassie of Sydney

    “OldOzzie
    #3545488, posted on August 12, 2020 at 4:24 pm”

    Gad is one of my heroes and he is right about most things…his line…”Kamala Harris, she is as principled as Ted Bundy, except that he was less Sinister“…is a beauty.

  51. William the Conjuror

    the Queen has approved Teddy Sheean’s award of the Victoria Cross

    Bridget Archer (Liberal for Bass) and Gavin Pearce (Liberal for Braddon) can breathe a collective sigh of relief.

  52. Boambee John

    “Motherfucker” comes from the other side of the Pacific.
    They obviously learned their language reading far Right blogs.

    The bin chicken needs to broaden the range of dumpsters in which he scratches.

    Our leftists ape every fashion of American leftists with monotonous regularity, including (particularly) the vulgarity.

  53. Cassie of Sydney

    “Our leftists ape every fashion of American leftists with monotonous regularity, including (particularly) the vulgarity.”

    Yep…..and having just watched the awful video again…she definitely sounds Australian.

  54. Zatara:

    Regarding the presidential vote, we are forgetting the Electoral College.

    The Electoral College is under some threat IIRC.
    Nevertheless, if the decision isn’t announced as to who the winner is of the vote for whatever reason, at midday on 20th January President Trump reverts to Mr Trump and the powers and duties of the Presidency go to the next in line of succession – Nancy Pelosi.
    God Help The US.

  55. thefrollickingmole

    The coppers deserve medals for ignoring the abuse, especially from the “boyfriend”.
    He should have been charged with obstruction.

    Man who failed his morality test 50+ years ago shows he has learned nothing in the intervening time.
    Imagine the intellectual vacuum you would have to be to drift through life constantly making up stories of your “superwang’ morality only to consistently out yourself as a moral dwarf over and over again, apparently unaware of doing so.

    Thats a special style of mong.

  56. Cassie of Sydney

    “thefrollickingmole
    #3545499, posted on August 12, 2020 at 4:43 pm”

    Well said.

  57. Boambee John

    LL

    There is the story (maybe true, maybe pubbling) of a bloke who was up before the Magistrate for offensive language.
    The soft-touch magistrate tied himself in knots to get the bloke off, citing “common usage” therefore not offensive.

    Offensive language? The indigenous magistrate in NSW, whose name escapes me at the moment, dismissed a charge of offensive language against someone who called a copper something on the lines of “fvcking count”, on the grounds that such language was common usage in the community, and so was not offensive.

    Oh yes, the infamous Pat O’Shane. I wonder what her thoughts were on the “Butcher’s apron”?

  58. johanna

    The Dems have been undermining the Electoral College for some time. One of worst ways is passing laws that compel all members of the EC to support the majority vote in their State, not (as is customary) to reflect the outcome in a roughly proportional way.

    IMO, the administration has erred grievously in not taking this legislation to the Supreme Court. Compelling EC members to vote a certain way seems to undermine the whole purpose of the EC.

  59. Diogenes

    of “fvcking count”, on the grounds that such language was common usage in the community, and so was not offensive.

    Oh yes, the infamous Pat O’Shane. I wonder what her thoughts were on the “Butcher’s apron”?

    My younger brother when he was a copper was a police prosecutor. According to him the sergeant that lost that case was fond of greeting Ms O’Shane in the courthouse(not the courtroom) with a cheery “Good fvcking morning your worship”. It is said that when she complained the Commish quoted her own judgement back at her.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bridget Archer (Liberal for Bass) and Gavin Pearce (Liberal for Braddon) can breathe a collective sigh of relief.

    I doubt if anyone in Bass or Braddon will much notice the awarding of a medal to a guy who died 78 years ago. The case isn’t exactly important to the daily lives of Taswegians.

    We Cats are somewhat different because we like history, the armed services and fairness.

  61. thefrollickingmole

    because we like history, the armed services and fairness.

    Careful now BON, thats getting pretty close to hate speech…

  62. kaysee

    Poetry magazine was founded in 1912. Since then, it has published an issue every month, of every year. Even during the two World Wars, the Great Depression, the Cold War.
    And now it will miss an issue. Why?
     
    September Pause, October Return
     

    From Poetry Magazine
     
    By The Editors
     
    Dear Reader,
     
    We’d like to share some updates on the next issues of Poetry magazine.
     
    This September, Poetry is breaking from its legacy of continuous publication and will not print a monthly issue for the first time since its founding by Harriet Monroe in 1912.
     
    Magazine staff made this decision to put people before production. We are acting in part out of necessity, and in majority out of respect to our community, poets, and staff. The manifold violence of our world demands more from us. The Poetry Foundation and Poetry magazine must be agents of antiracism to build a more loving, supportive, and inclusive community.
     
    We cannot escape Poetry’s history, which we have exalted and continue to profit from. We are committed to understanding that history better in order to dismantle its structures and reparate the magazine’s debt to Black people, Indigenous people, other people of color, members of the LGBTQIA+ community, disabled people, and other marginalized groups of people who have been exploited, sidelined, and tokenized in support of white dominant culture. This pause is a necessary part of Poetry magazine’s reckoning with the deep-seated white supremacy of our organization.
     
    We know one missed issue is a small gesture symbolizing our desire to do better.

     
    Love poetry? What can one say?
    My heart leaps up when I behold
    the taking of a knee:

     
    More likely:
    My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
    My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
    Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains

  63. Diogenes:

    My younger brother when he was a copper was a police prosecutor. According to him the sergeant that lost that case was fond of greeting Ms O’Shane in the courthouse(not the courtroom) with a cheery “Good fvcking morning your worship”. It is said that when she complained the Commish quoted her own judgement back at her.

    Fucking good on him.
    I remember a bloke in court, (not sure why I was there), obviously down on his luck and sleeping rough, who didn’t seem at all impressed with the magistrate (who seemed to be alright) answered that whatever the charge was, “It just seemed like a fucking good idea at the time, yeronna.”

    Good God – that would have been nearly fifty years ago.

  64. Maman

    Top Ender, do you think Sheean’s family might consider presenting the VC Medal to the Australian War Memorial?

  65. Leigh Lowe

    Pat O’Shame.
    Jeez.
    And they just appointed another dozen clones in WA.
    Another Magistrate tale.
    One of the first appointments to the bench under the Cain government in the 1980’s was a notorious “not guilty” merchant.
    When faced with an unavoidable guilty verdict he was very fond of the bond. In fact, his nickname among coppers was “James” (James Bond SM). No-one ever went to jail.
    Defence lawyers were desparate to get on his sheet.
    Until the weekend when he was away and his house got burgled, and they went the full monty. Shit smeared everywhere, family photos torn up, kids toys smashed.
    He immediately turned into a hanging judge.
    Every junkie who came before him for as much as a stolen microwave went in the slot.
    There are many roads to Damascus.

  66. OK. I’m going to ask, because after a ten minute search of the entire sum of human knowledge, I have no idea of what the “Butchers Apron” is.
    I strongly suspect it is naughty and not something Aunt Jemimina would have an answer to – although I see a little twinkle in her eye when she’s had a shandy or two.

  67. feelthebern

    Still no cluster from the Storm game at on the Sunshine Coast on the 2nd of August.
    This really is an interesting situation.
    What was the difference between that game where there has been zero issues & the BLM march in Melb that was a super spreader event.
    Where is the curiosity from the media, the CMO etc?

  68. calli

    We are committed to understanding that history better in order to dismantle its structures and reparate the magazine’s debt to Black people, Indigenous people, other people of color, members of the LGBTQIA+ community, disabled people, and other marginalized groups of people who have been exploited, sidelined, and tokenized in support of white dominant culture.

    Here’s some Poetry for Poetry:

    1. Identify a respected institution.
    2. kill it.
    3. gut it.
    4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

    – David Burge

    Free verse.

  69. Zatara

    what the “Butchers Apron” is.

    The Union Jack

    The Butcher’s Apron is a pejorative term for the flag, common among Irish republicans, citing the blood-streaked appearance of the flag and referring to atrocities committed in Ireland and other countries under British colonial rule.

  70. feelthebern

    To remind people, the game was a full house.
    The hill jam packed.
    Zero social distancing with footy fans yelling & spitting all over the place.

  71. kaysee

    We count down:

    Another one bites the dust.

  72. Maman:

    Top Ender, do you think Sheean’s family might consider presenting the VC Medal to the Australian War Memorial?

    Now that would be nice, although I suspect the family may need to sell it to someone who had the moola to donate it to the AWM.
    That would be a tough one – don’t the VC bring in $1million + at auction?

  73. feelthebern

    Zatara, did you see the BIG10 has delayed their football season.
    Zero chance the SEC does the same.
    If anything, it incentives the SEC to play & get a greater share of TV dollars.

  74. kaysee

    The Coronavirus Is Never Going Away

    No matter what happens now, the virus will continue to circulate around the world.
     
    The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 has sickened more than 16.5 million people across six continents. It is raging in countries that never contained the virus. It is resurging in many of the ones that did. If there was ever a time when this coronavirus could be contained, it has probably passed. One outcome is now looking almost certain: This virus is never going away.
     
    The coronavirus is simply too widespread and too transmissible. The most likely scenario, experts say, is that the pandemic ends at some point—because enough people have been either infected or vaccinated—but the virus continues to circulate in lower levels around the globe. Cases will wax and wane over time. Outbreaks will pop up here and there. Even when a much-anticipated vaccine arrives, it is likely to only suppress but never completely eradicate the virus. (For context, consider that vaccines exist for more than a dozen human viruses but only one, smallpox, has ever been eradicated from the planet, and that took 15 years of immense global coordination.) We will probably be living with this virus for the rest of our lives.

  75. calli

    It was my understanding that the medal was to be displayed beside Sheehan’s painting at the AWM. No mention of payment.

  76. feelthebern

    That would be a tough one – don’t the VC bring in $1million + at auction?

    Did he deserve it?
    He sure did.
    Will the family he never knew get a pay-day out of it?
    They sure will.
    It’s only a scam if you’re not in on it.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    We are committed to understanding that history better in order to dismantle its structures and reparate the magazine’s debt to Black people, Indigenous people, other people of color, members of the LGBTQIA+ community, disabled people, and other marginalized groups of people who have been exploited, sidelined, and tokenized in support of white dominant culture.

    The boy stood on the burning deck,
    His pocket full of crackers,
    The flames burnt up his trouser leg,
    And …
    [that will be quite enough of that LL. Modern poetry has moved on – Sinc].

  78. johanna

    kaysee

    That story about the Poetry magazine is very depressing. Another organisation taken over by activists. Since even knitting and crocheting online groups have been similarly white-anted, it’s not surprising, though.

    Voluntary organisations are very vulnerable to this kind of takeover, because a few energetic activists who are prepared to do some work can quickly worm their way in. They will take on the shitwork, and before you know it, they are running the joint.

    I believe that this is the key to their success. All those thankless jobs are hoovered up and used to advantage.

    Time for conservatives to step up and beat them at their own game.

  79. feelthebern

    If the family donate it to the AWM, I’ll retract my filthy slur.

  80. feelthebern

    There once was a man from Venus.
    He had a very long….

  81. Nick

    disabled people,

    Be a mong
    Pack a bong
    Get some dong

    Ticks boxes.

  82. Boambee John

    Winston Smith
    #3545524, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:15 pm
    OK. I’m going to ask, because after a ten minute search of the entire sum of human knowledge, I have no idea of what the “Butchers Apron” is.

    In his fevered imagination the bin chicken fantasises that it is a description universally used in the Republic of Ireland and the Irish diaspora for the Union Jack.

    He is the only user of that expression that I have ever come across.

  83. notafan

    Where I went to school that poem was

    The boy stood on the burning deck
    his pants were made of cotton
    the flames went up his hairy legs
    And burnt his little

  84. Eyrie

    I think I knew the pilot. If I’m right he was CO of 2FTS in the early 70’s while I was there as met man.

    OK I remembered the name : Bob Greenwood

  85. Davey Boy

    PNG got ratf-cked by the Chicoms, wants a bailout from Aus. Read it and weep
    (Scroll alert, link may be paywalled)

    Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei built a data centre in Papua New Guinea, which exposed secret government files to being stolen, according to a report that catalogues Beijing’s efforts to spy on the Pacific nation.
    The report, provided to the Australian government, noted outdated encryption software was deployed by Huawei, while firewall settings were insufficient for a centre designed to store the entire data archive of the PNG government.
    “It is assessed with high confidence that data flows could be easily intercepted,” said the 2019 report on PNG’s National Data Centre.
    “Remote access would not be detected by security settings.”
    The assessment will heap further pressure on Huawei as it fights to remain as part of the 5G networks in Germany, following bans in Britain, France, the US and Australia.
    The US and its allies, including Australia, have become increasingly wary of China seeking to extend its influence among developing nations in the Pacific by extending cheap loans for major projects.
    The report on Huawei is the first to document its complicity in Beijing’s cyber espionage activities, after more than a decade of rumours and pointed remarks from security agencies.
    The Port Moresby data centre was funded through a $US53 million development loan from China’s Exim Bank and became operational in 2018, before PNG hosted that year’s APEC leaders meeting.
    Litany of flaws
    The report noted the layout of the data centre did not match the intended design, opening up major security gaps.
    “Core switches are not behind firewalls. This means remote access would not be detected by security settings within the appliances,” it said.
    In a statement, Huawei said: “This project complies with appropriate industry standards and the requirements of the customer.”
    The report was commissioned by the National Cyber Security Centre of PNG, which is funded by the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
    It was written by a cyber security contractor hired by DFAT and the report was then handed to the Australian government.
    DFAT declined to comment.
    In cataloguing major security flaws, the report, which ran to 65 pages in its original form, said the algorithm used for encrypting communications was considered “openly broken” by cyber security experts two years before being installed in Port Moresby.
    The Huawei firewalls in the data centre reached their “end of life” in 2016, two years before the facility was opened.
    While the report suggests a deliberate effort by Huawei to deploy lax cyber security, it noted this plan was partially thwarted by the centre quickly falling into disrepair, as insufficient money was set aside for maintenance and operations.
    This resulted in many PNG government departments not moving their data into the centre as planned.
    The lack of an operating budget meant basic functions such as software licences had expired, while batteries had degraded and were not replaced.
    To get the data centre up and running again, Port Moresby sought financial assistance from the Australian government, a request that resulted in the report being commissioned.
    Canberra has so far declined to provide funding to upgrade the centre and the report noted that a “full rebuild” would be required to modernise the facility.
    This has left PNG with a $US53 million debt to the Chinese government, via Exim Bank, and a data centre that is barely operational.
    Lack of funding
    China’s support for a data centre in PNG, using Huawei technology, was first mooted in 2009 during a visit to Beijing by former prime minister Sir Michael Somare.
    The following year, Exim Bank, which is charged with implementing Beijing’s trade and strategic objectives, agreed to provide the loan.
    But it would take until 2014 for then prime minister Peter O’Neill to launch the project at a ceremony in Port Moresby, where he thanked China and praised Huawei.
    “Let me take this opportunity to thank the government of China in making available the concessional facility of $US53 million through the Exim Bank,” he said.
    The data centre was part of a so-called Integrated Government Information System (IGIS), which planned to link 57 sites in Port Moresby and five regional centres.
    As part of the project, the chief secretary of each PNG government department was instructed to move all data into the new centre.
    A lack of funding meant only a handful of government agencies moved data into the facility and by early this year PNG was calling the project a failure.
    A report completed this year by think tank The Australian Strategic Policy Institute found China had provided $US147 million for digital projects in PNG including the national data centre, the national broadband network and a biometric identity card.
    Australia remained the largest donor in the 12 years to 2019 with $262 million provided for digital projects in PNG.

  86. kaysee

    johanna, I felt really depressed when I read that article.
    Wondering what the great poets, through the centuries, would have to say about that bit of virtue signalling.
     
    Yes, conservatives have to step up. Individually and in groups.

  87. johanna

    Pat O’Shane, a diversity hire of very small brain who had ethical problems of her own.

    Crims and their lawyers fought tooth and nail to get on her list, especially Aboriginal ones.

    I can’t recall who appointed her, but maybe someone here knows.

  88. Nick

    Ching chong eyes!” That’s what elementary school kids used to call Sophie Wang. It was an insidious racist slur casually thrown around as they mocked her Asian ethnicity while pulling on the corner of their eyes. Upward for Japanese. To the side for Chinese. Downward for Korean.

    Strange that almost every cartoon and self caricature in the East involves the most rounded, wide, Western eyes as possible,

  89. Dr Faustus

    Palmer ‘offered to drop WA border claim’

    Clive Palmer “offered to withdraw” his legal challenge against Western Australia’s border closures if officials agreed to move arbitration hearings relating to his near-$30 billion damages claim against the state government.

    Struggling to think of a Fat Bastard project that hasn’t turned into some form of clusterfuck:

    – Gold Coast United FC;
    – Queensland Nickel;
    – Coolum Dinosaurs-R-Us;
    – China First Galilee Basin coal/rail;
    – $200 million WA Philanthropy-Is-Us;
    – Sino Iron;
    – Titanic 2.0;
    – Palmer Petroleum’s unpaid seismic bill;
    – Palmer United Party;
    – Australia First.

    Now, Balmoral South.
    He should be in Victorian politics.

  90. areff

    [that will be quite enough of that LL. Modern poetry has moved on – Sinc].

    So you’re not keen on Captain Cook’s misadventures on the Murray with a chook and rock

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Butcher’s Apron is a pejorative term for the flag, common among Irish republicans, citing the blood-streaked appearance of the flag and referring to atrocities committed in Ireland and other countries under British colonial rule.

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

  92. Delta A

    I watched ‘Anh’s Brush with Fame’ last night… actually, channel surfing and landed on ABC. He interviewed and painted Dr Richard Harris, one of the heroes of the Thai cave rescue.

    Dr Harris’s account of the rescue was measured and and devoid of dramatics, but his face conveyed the tensions, fears and joy felt by the entire team. Riveting television. And Ahn’s painting captured much of that emotion. I just wish I’d tuned in earlier and caught the entire show.

    PS: I didn’t realize that the children were anaesthetized before being steered through the tunnel. Kudos to all involved, and especially to the hunky Dr Richard Harris.

  93. MatrixTransform

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

    a wicked sense of humour and distrust of anybody in power

  94. Cassie of Sydney

    “We are committed to understanding that history better in order to dismantle its structures and reparate the magazine’s debt to Black people, Indigenous people, other people of color, members of the LGBTQIA+ community, disabled people, and other marginalized groups of people who have been exploited, sidelined, and tokenized in support of white dominant culture. This pause is a necessary part of Poetry magazine’s reckoning with the deep-seated white supremacy of our organization.”

    I actually want to vomit after reading this……the far-left have taken over everything…they have even taken over the CWA. This is what the left do, they deliberately politicise everything and then they destroy everything….from the the media, academia, education, science, healthcare and so on…..they have subverted everything. Yes….we need to step up.

  95. Snoopy

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

    Bandana man.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

    Irish jokes.

  97. Top Ender:
    I’ve been meaning to write this up for days now, but kept on putting it offf.
    I read “Atomic Salvation” in one sitting then reread it a bit more carefully.
    Very good work. The parts dealing with the civilian casualties were well thought out – the Japanese Army would have just kept pushing the mobs of panicked civilians into the guns of the invaders, turned around and rounded up another thousand and kept going. Would have been horrific for the Allies, knowing they were killing women and kids and old people. I feel the psychiatric casualties would have far outnumbered the battle casualties several times.

    The eye opener was the training casualties. “One a day in Tampa Bay”.
    I managed to track down the original document you probably used as a reference. Nothing beats the source material for the doubters. Mind you I was edging toward the doubting camp until I read it.

    The loss of all those good men in the period 1914 to 1945 on both sides of the European war has ripped a bloody hole in our culture. It will take another hundred years before it can be repaired, if ever.

  98. 1735099

    Wondering what the great poets, through the centuries, would have to say about that bit of virtue signalling.

    No doubt you’d regard this as virtue signalling.

  99. calli

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

    Me!

    Well, the bits that aren’t English, anyways. I don’t dare imagine which is which.

  100. feelthebern

    numbers is linking to gay porn.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    That story about the Poetry magazine is very depressing

    I wouldn’t care except they probably draw gummint cash.
    I agree with areff.
    All publications should be completely unencumbered by gummint cash.

  102. woolfe

    What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?

    That kick and catch game
    Loads of Irish who jumped in the aboriginal money trough

  103. Cassie of Sydney

    “What did the Irish ever bequeath Australia, other then Ned Kelly and the Labor Party?”

    Three policeman murdered by Ned Kelly….Sergeant Michael Kennedy and Constables Thomas Lonigan and Michael Scanlan…all Irish….we should remember them.

  104. Top Ender, do you think Sheean’s family might consider presenting the VC Medal to the Australian War Memorial?

    Nobody here watches Their ABCTV.
    Yesterday, on regular loop was an article on the Sheean award.
    Just after a short segment with TE sitting at a desk & meaningfully flicking through some documents or something & then giving a piece to camera outdoors – after that was Gary Ivory (the nephew) saying the V.C. would be donated to the War Memorial in Canberra.

    The segment finished with a cut back to the studio, where Lisa Millar gushed about how pleased Sheean’s son was & what a shame Sheean’s wife was no longer around to see her husband awarded for his actions.

  105. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3545576, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:42 pm
    numbers is linking to gay porn.”

    At least he’s not using google earth to spy on men, women and children on a beach.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    So you’re not keen on Captain Cook’s misadventures on the Murray with a chook and rock

    Snort.
    I do love a bit of low-brow.
    There’s a thought.
    Maybe someone with a sharp pen here (Lizzie? You areff?) could pen an “Ode to James”, loaded with fullsome and effusive praise of Cap’n Cook.
    The rejection letter would be something to behold.

  107. Tintarella di Luna

    they have even taken over the CWA

    . you got that right Cassie — the left destroys everything ’cause the left thinks it knows and can do better when they are totally and absolutely clueless — too many good people with too much to do to do nothing.

  108. calli

    Owen was a homosexual. He wrote wonderful poetry.

    He did not need to be promoted because he was a homosexual poet. His poems are in print and studied because they are wonderful.

  109. Infidel Tiger King

    Alexander Soros, PhD
    @AlexanderSoros

    Congratulations to our future Vice President @KamalaHarris! History in the making! #VPPick #BidenHarris2020

  110. Leigh Lowe

    The pomposity of the arbiters of Australian poetry is no new phenomenon.
    Remember the late, great Ern Malley?
    Is it time for a reprise of the Angry Penguins?

  111. Nick

    Leigh,
    This might work:

    There twas a young seaman named Cook,
    At the bottoms of boys he would look,

    Ticks boxes

  112. JC

    Poorly worded sentence: implies @KamalaHarris
    will be the one “to lead this nation starting in January 2021.”

    Joe Biden in email to supporters: “I’ve decided that Kamala Harris is the best person to help me take this fight to Donald Trump and Mike Pence and then to lead this nation starting in January 2021.

  113. JC

    Ben Shapiro on Sleepy Joe and his hoe.

    None of these picks would be great; some would be far worse than others. But there was one pick who would prove far worse than all the others: Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif. Harris is deeply radical. She endorsed “Medicare for All” while announcing that she would move Americans away from their private health care plans; she announced in open debate that she would use executive orders to ban “assault weapons”; she said she would ban fracking; she attacked Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a purported rapist and Judge Brian Buescher for his Catholicism. Harris is unpopular with many black Americans: As a prosecutor, she was fond of pursuing heavy sentences for light charges, as well as civil asset forfeiture — and then she bragged about smoking marijuana during her campaign. Harris has similarly alienated moderates, attacking Biden himself as a vicious racist for his unwillingness to support forced school busing in the 1970s, and suggesting that she believed Biden’s sexual harassment accusers. There is a reason Harris utterly flamed out in the primaries, aside from her bizarre habit of breaking into a Joker-esque whoop when asked difficult questions.

    Nothing about Harris screams nonthreatening. In fact, in her Machiavellian campaign manipulations, she appeared deeply threatening — threatening enough that Biden campaign adviser Chris Dodd reportedly wondered why Harris “had no remorse” for her opportunistic and dishonest attacks on Biden. At the very least, Biden should hire a food taster.

    In selecting Harris, Biden has opened the door to the Trump campaign. And Trump should take full advantage. Biden’s alleged moderation means nothing if he is willing to place Kamala Harris one heartbeat from the presidency. Biden’s entire campaign strategy has now been undercut — all in a vain attempt to please the Twitterati, who will remain pleased for precisely seven seconds. Trump should be ecstatic. The race is on. And that’s all on Biden.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3545545, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    There once was a man from Venus.
    He had a very long….

    … way to go to work?

  115. JC

    Ben Shapiro on Sleepy Joe and his hoe…

    None of these picks would be great; some would be far worse than others. But there was one pick who would prove far worse than all the others: Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif. Harris is deeply radical. She endorsed “Medicare for All” while announcing that she would move Americans away from their private health care plans; she announced in open debate that she would use executive orders to ban “assault weapons”; she said she would ban fracking; she attacked Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a purported rapist and Judge Brian Buescher for his Catholicism. Harris is unpopular with many black Americans: As a prosecutor, she was fond of pursuing heavy sentences for light charges, as well as civil asset forfeiture — and then she bragged about smoking marijuana during her campaign. Harris has similarly alienated moderates, attacking Biden himself as a vicious racist for his unwillingness to support forced school busing in the 1970s, and suggesting that she believed Biden’s sexual harassment accusers. There is a reason Harris utterly flamed out in the primaries, aside from her bizarre habit of breaking into a Joker-esque whoop when asked difficult questions.

    Nothing about Harris screams nonthreatening. In fact, in her Machiavellian campaign manipulations, she appeared deeply threatening — threatening enough that Biden campaign adviser Chris Dodd reportedly wondered why Harris “had no remorse” for her opportunistic and dishonest attacks on Biden. At the very least, Biden should hire a food taster.

    In selecting Harris, Biden has opened the door to the Trump campaign. And Trump should take full advantage. Biden’s alleged moderation means nothing if he is willing to place Kamala Harris one heartbeat from the presidency. Biden’s entire campaign strategy has now been undercut — all in a vain attempt to please the Twitterati, who will remain pleased for precisely seven seconds. Trump should be ecstatic. The race is on. And that’s all on Biden.

  116. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3545524, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    OK. I’m going to ask, because after a ten minute search of the entire sum of human knowledge, I have no idea of what the “Butchers Apron” is.

    The Butcher’s Apron is a pejorative term for the flag, common among Irish republicans, citing the blood-streaked appearance of the flag and referring to atrocities committed in Ireland and other countries under British colonial rule.
    Use: National flag

    Took 2 seconds but was no need for it on my part, I’m surprised you didn’t hear it before.

  117. calli

    Is it time for a reprise of the Angry Penguins?

    Cut it out. I’ve had the “Cows With Guns” earworm all day.

  118. rickw

    While the report suggests a deliberate effort by Huawei to deploy lax cyber security, it noted this plan was partially thwarted by the centre quickly falling into disrepair, as insufficient money was set aside for maintenance and operations.

    Classic PNG!

  119. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3545524, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    Just type in whatever you think is a slang expression and add “slang” at the end or Urban dictionary bound to pick it up

  120. feelthebern

    Huawei blamed everything on betel nut.

  121. 1735099

    The people of Quilpie remember this soldier.
    His killer will be freed to help Dettol Donny stay in the White House.
    Australian soldiers continue to be political collateral.

  122. Struth

    But whenever anyone dared to question the flaws and inconsistencies, they were met with a barrage of “cuck, beta, coward, COW!!!, unpatriotic commie socialist, yada, yada”
    Even the most unkind cut of all … “paid up LNP member”.
    Sometimes a relentless reminding of their own hyper-bowl is the answer.

    Just thought you’d sneak that one in, Frank.

    And it of course, inspires the hysteric to have ago.

    I’ve just realised there are a couple of people here who should be producing conspiracy theory YouTubes, or even just YouTubes giving more of the masses exposure to their brilliance.

    If you’ve got parliamentary aspirations, it’s a golden opportunity, not to be missed.

    Way cheaper than a website and can be produced from the comfort of your own lounge, or driver’s seat.

    When you two are trying to be sarcastic and dismissive, you should at least work out that other people here can read, and don’t let their emotions fog the response.

    Has it been a lovely day for you in Melbourne?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Cut it out. I’ve had the “Cows With Guns” earworm all day.

    🐄🐄🐄🐄

  124. Leigh Lowe

    Hello C.W.
    The Martyr of the Mark!!
    😀😀😀😀

  125. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’ve decided that Kamala Harris is the best person to help me take this fight to Donald Trump and Mike Pence and then to lead this nation starting in January 2021.“

    The word is that Sniffy Joe Biden isn’t even writing his own tweets and emails so perhaps it is a sly (and truthful) hint that Biden, if elected, will hand over shortly afterwards to Kamala and it will be she who is inaugurated as President…not Sniffy Joe.

  126. Eyrie

    Exactly what secrets that the ChiComs would be interested in, would the PNG government have?

  127. Maman

    Calli, displaying the medal beside Sheean’s painting at the AWM could address many of the ‘issues’ that I’ve heard discussed. And these discussions have been respectful and with goodwill. Australian Defence Force members are impressive. Just on another point as a Victorian passing through checkpoints at the Metro/Regional border, it is the young ADF members who demonstrate powerful, positive interactions with the Public.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    Australian soldiers continue to be political collateral.

    You might ask the ABC about that Numbers, and a certain Mr Roberts-Smith.

  129. William the Conjuror

    Pick a link, Bruce. Any link.

    Sheean was born in Lower Barrington, Tasmania

    Once officially bestowed, the family will take the medal on a tour of Tasmania before donating it to the Australian War Memorial.

    What was that, Bruce? Oh yes:

    I doubt if anyone in Bass or Braddon will much notice the awarding of a medal to a guy who died 78 years ago. The case isn’t exactly important to the daily lives of Taswegians.

  130. Boambee John

    His killer will be freed to help Dettol Donny stay in the White House.
    Australian soldiers continue to be political collateral.

    How many killers did Obama free to get that deserter back, and then invite him to the White House and describe him as a hero?

  131. Eyrie

    I really do have to tip my hat to these guys. This looks like the absolute best Green Rort evah!

    https://www.energy-observer.org/

    aka green collar crime as Tim Blair calls it. The JCU mob are pikers by comparison.

  132. Armadillo

    One word. Leprechauns.

  133. Snoopy

    Dan Andrews and Jenny Mikalos should be very worried if this is any guide.

    A mining contractor has been fined $60,000 over the death of a contractor who suffered a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting.

    In February 2018, 34-year-old engineering surveyor Glenn Morton was working alone at Iluka Resources’ Cataby mine site, about 150 kilometres north of Perth, when he was stung.

    He self-administered an EpiPen and radioed for emergency assistance but co-workers found him unconscious and unresponsive some minutes later.

    He died in hospital two weeks later.

    Indus Mining Services pleaded guilty in the Moora Magistrates Court for failing to provide a safe working environment in which a contracted employee was not exposed to hazards.

  134. rickw

    Exactly what secrets that the ChiComs would be interested in, would the PNG government have?

    How much Aus Taxpayer is bankrolling them for, how much it costs to buy a PNG pollie (no doubt way more expensive than Aus pollie), oil and gas reserves and royalties. Plenty of interesting stuff for them.

    This is a 25 year project for them, which may have just shat itself…

  135. johanna

    calli
    #3545585, posted on August 12, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    Owen was a homosexual. He wrote wonderful poetry.

    He did not need to be promoted because he was a homosexual poet. His poems are in print and studied because they are wonderful.

    Quite so.

    There are plenty of poove poets who are recognised on merit. And, in primary school in NSW in the 1960s, we studied Khalil Gibran (Indian) and Omar Khyam (Persian) because they were wonderful poets. If anything, there was discrimination against American poets because there was a bit of snobby ‘they’re not part of the Empire and a bit vulgar’ mentality in the NSW Education Department. So, no Robert Frost, who I found on my own much later.

    And really, what does having a disability got to do with producing good poetry?

  136. Leigh Lowe

    Struth

    #3544900, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:26 am


    Before I even left home the AFP had my number and were in contact with me advising me of what they would put up with.
    That number was then handed by them to the newspapers etc, and so on it went.
    I hadn’t even left home.

    What many here have written, including, and especially the likes of Makka, and Two stix, MV, and many others, have been read.
    You can guarantee it.
    It’s not just me.
    We’re all marked men and it’s too late to do anything about it now.
    And we were marked before this happened.

    You have nothing to lose.

    😀😀😀😀

    The Martyrs of the Mark.
    When “the AFP” told you “what they would put up with”, did you comply?
    If not, did they do anything about your non-compliance?

  137. Mark A:

    Just type in whatever you think is a slang expression and add “slang” at the end or Urban dictionary bound to pick it up

    How odd – I’d initially gotten two pages of uniform suppliers, but when I added ‘slang’, I got one urban dictionary definition, another of an act of seduction involving the male having a dirty great big feed of red meat, then proceeding to have rigorous intercourse with a vegetarian. My assumption was the vegetarian being female, but the explanation may not have been all that precise considering the consumption of large portions of red meat is usually done in the company of large amounts of red wine.
    Then there were two pages of uniform suppliers.

  138. Eyrie

    Australian Defence Force members are impressive.

    Yes. It has been our privilege to meet quite a few of this generation for the last 15 years and support some.
    Pity about the way they get used by our politicians.

  139. Makka

    Exactly what secrets that the ChiComs would be interested in, would the PNG government have?

    Think leverage. Secrets about pollie corruption, whoreing, gambling debts, dodgy contracts etc etc. Once the leverage is in the bag, then starts to push for a port , or a mine, an oil or gas field ….

    Chinese are masters at this kind of stuff.

  140. Top Ender

    Maman…at 5:12 pm…do you think Sheean’s family might consider presenting the VC Medal to the Australian War Memorial?

    Entirely for the family to say, I’d imagine.

  141. Bruce of Newcastle

    William, his award won’t change any votes. The progressive-green Left don’t like people with VCs, see my last comment. The Right do like such things but since the Libs are already in govt in Tassie and Canberra it won’t do much.

  142. rickw

    Alexander Soros, PhD
    @AlexanderSoros

    Congratulations to our future Vice President @KamalaHarris! History in the making! #VPPick #BidenHarris2020

    I guess it’s the Soros equivalent to buying a new car.

  143. Makka

    Yep, rickw knows how it works.

  144. Eyrie

    Winston, I thought the reference to vegetarian/greenie chicks went something like “could use a feed of a steak, a half bottle of red and a good root”

  145. Eyrie:

    Exactly what secrets that the ChiComs would be interested in, would the PNG government have?

    My mums suet pudding recipe.
    And the links to Aunty Marge’s TAB account.

  146. Zatara

    Zatara, did you see the BIG10 has delayed their football season.
    Zero chance the SEC does the same.
    If anything, it incentives the SEC to play & get a greater share of TV dollars.

    feelthebern

    Yeah, quite a few conferences are heading that way.

    SEC, ACC, and the Big 12 have said they are planning to play. Playing schedules have been turned upside down though and even the conferences who are playing aren’t doing out-of-conference games at this point.

    There are a heap of smaller schools who are going to get major national TV spots on Saturdays for the first time this fall!

  147. johanna

    Struth, mooo or perhaps baaa from me.

    Your choice, you jokester and bestower of species on those of us who are inflicted with XX chromosomes.

    Just as well the Kittehs here don’t post lengthy rants about how evil men are. That would be irrational and hormone driven, and we don’t want that. 🙂

  148. Maj

    The word is that Sniffy Joe Biden isn’t even writing his own tweets and emails so perhaps it is a sly (and truthful) hint that Biden, if elected, will hand over shortly afterwards to Kamala and it will be she who is inaugurated as President…not Sniffy Joe.

    I reckon the handover is planned for Jan 21, 2022.

    If Kamala serves as President for one day less than half of Biden’s term she can run for two more full terms.

    If Biden retires a few days before Jan 20, 2020 you know it’s payback for how she attacked him in the primaries.

  149. Roger

    The people of Quilpie remember this soldier.
    His killer will be freed to help Dettol Donny stay in the White House.
    Australian soldiers continue to be political collateral.

    He writes, while seeking to generate political capital against Trump on the back of the death of an Australian soldier.

    Judged by his own words.

  150. sfw

    PNG – the info may not seem important to some but to others it may prove an advantage. You don’t need much of an advantage but that’s why the house usually wins.

  151. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #3545627, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    William, his award won’t change any votes. 

    Exactly Bruce.
    This is a non-event in the electorate.
    99.931% of reactions would range from indifference to positive support.

    Any opposition is purely a Canberra bubble thing.
    I bet there would be a bunch of bureaucrats and advisors tut-tutting about valour awards projecting an image of “toxic masculinity”, just at the time they are reframing the ADF as one of the “caring professions”.

  152. Cassie of Sydney

    “johanna
    #3545635, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:21 pm”

    Well said.

  153. Farmer Gez

    The responsible party who decided to use private security at the quarantine hotels in Victoria and not use the ADF or police has been found and named.

    A small Burmese kitten named Fluffy was present at all relevant meetings.
    Fluffy was less than forthcoming when questioned by the media.

    Premier Dan Andrews has distanced himself from Fluffy.
    “I told security to get that cat out of here.”

  154. MatrixTransform

    And really, what does having a disability got to do with producing good poetry?

    Same reason that getting a gig on The Block or The Voice requires a genomic defect and a dead mother

  155. Poetry?
    You want poetry?
    Cop this little gem:

    The Wounded Heart is an old Peshtun song:

    “There is a boy across the river,
    With a bottom like a peach,
    But alas! I cannot swim!”

  156. Zatara

    I guess it’s the Soros equivalent to buying a new car.

    Or a used bike.

  157. cohenite

    Flynn is doomed if Trump loses. Sidney Powell interviewed by Lou Dobbs makes the obvious points: judges cannot litigate in the absence of a prosecution by the state. The judge, sullivan, in the Flynn case, refused to accept the states withdrawal from prosecution and when a superior court told him to dismiss, he then appealed as though he were a party; this after he invited anyway to replace the state in the prosecution of Flynn, as though private citizens can replace the state in prosecution of other citizens. This is the sickest thing I’ve heard in criminal law; I mean after Pell, or Ridd etc.

    https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/08/12/flynns-attorney-beyond-frustrating-were-still-trying-to-get-case-dismissed/

  158. Maj

    Sorry, I’ll try that again:

    I reckon the handover is planned for Jan 21, 2023.

    If Kamala serves as President for one day less than half of Biden’s term she can run for two more full terms.

    If Biden retires a few days before Jan 20, 2023 you know it’s payback for how she attacked him in the primaries.

  159. mh

    Anne
    #3545423, posted on August 12, 2020 at 3:15 pm
    Obama on Joe’s VP pick:

    “Joe Biden nailed this decision.”

    Willie Brown nailed her decades ago.

  160. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #3545619, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    He self-administered an EpiPen and radioed for emergency assistance but co-workers found him unconscious and unresponsive some minutes later.

    He died in hospital two weeks later.

    That is very sad and rough for his family, and him of course, but what could’ve the Co. done to prevent it?

    Any hint in the judgement?

  161. Tom

    Many thanks to OldOzzie at 3pm for posting Tony Abbott’s excellent op ed on China in the Daily Telegraph (paywalled).

    Being out of parliament has loosened Abbott’s tongue in the best possible way: the old journo in him is an excellent political analyst.

  162. Eyrie:

    Winston, I thought the reference to vegetarian/greenie chicks went something like “could use a feed of a steak, a half bottle of red and a good root”

    You are undoubtedly correct, but we were discussing my search results, which whilst they may have been slightly embellished, nevertheless held true to the original result.

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    Look. Credit where credit is due, and it’s not the first time I’ve given Liability Bob a bit of the old okay.
    Here’s his quote from earlier this arvo:

    “That’s not the vernacular – Australians don’t swear like that.”

    He still reminds me of Four Leaf Tayback, but on this one he’s bang on. Nobody in Australia uses, will use or will ever use the term ‘motherfucker’. We use a much more nuanced lexicon, to wit:

    ‘I’m not a flamin’ pot plant.’

  164. Zatara

    If Kamala serves as President for one day less than half of Biden’s term she can run for two more full terms.

    No.

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
    – Twenty-second Amendment

  165. Zatara

    Sorry Maj, you are correct. It is possible for Biden’s vice to serve 10 years in office. More likely 10 in jail though.

  166. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3545653, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    the TGunner seems to use the term “mofos”(spl?) often lately.

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    If Kamala serves as President for one day less than half of Biden’s term she can run for two more full terms.

    The dynamics between Jill Biden and Kamala Harris will be fun.

  168. Tom

    Memo Sky News: here is my new evening weekday lineup:

    5pm: Chris Kenny – no change. If you want to change anything about the daytime coverage, get rid of the leftard loons like Kieren Gilbert and promote political editor Andrew Clennell (ex-Daily Tele, now Paywallian) as the afternoon anchor, Clennell is an old-fashioned, unphotogenic cynic – eminently more credible than leftards, who became journalists to change the world, not observe it.

    6pm: Alan Jones. He’s a ratings machine so give him the primary slot in direct competition with the FTA networks’ evening news. He will break Australian cable news records: with only a third of Australians tuning into cable, I predict 400,000 nightly viewers, equivalent to 1.2 million on 7 or 9 – a wet dream for the FTA networks.

    7pm: Bolt. Consistent strong rater for Sky, Don’t fix what ain’t broke.

    8pm: offer the job to Peta Credlin. I think she is close to burn-out as a nedia peformer and I expect she would resign if her slot was changed. Give the job to Chris Smith, who’s doing an excellent job this week as Credlin’s 6pm stand-in.

    9pm: Paul Murray. Past my bedtime, but the replays I’ve seen after I rise early in the morning tell me he’s popular and hitting the mark.

    Just do it, you bastards, and take these pink slips to the pay office to collect your bonuses.

  169. Knuckle Dragger

    Jeepers. Terry McCrann on Sky.

    Looks like he’s not even trying any more. Looks like he’s about to swan dive off the perch, both with and of C19.

  170. Nick

    The guy looks like he’s been living in his mother’s basement

  171. Farmer Gez

    NZ has a lead on the possible Covid cases.

    “We are very confident we didn’t have any community transmission for a very long period,” Bloomfield said during a televised media conference. “We know the virus can survive within refrigerated environments for quite some time.”

    The cool storage facility has been closed down along with three other sites the company had around the city, he said. The 160 staff across all the facilities would be tested for COVID-19.

    China has reported instances of the coronavirus being detected on the packaging of imported frozen seafood.

    They are out of their tiny minds.

  172. Snoopy

    That is very sad and rough for his family, and him of course, but what could’ve the Co. done to prevent it?

    Nothing. But pleading guilty and forking out $60k was the best option.

  173. johanna

    Lots of colour and movement coming up in the US Presidential election.

    Our national elections are akin to a minuet, as opposed to the moshpit in the US.

    Dirty Deeds will be done Dirt Cheap.

    I just read that Barbra Streisand is putting out a new album for her vast gay audience, all proceeds to the Dimmocrats.

    The gloves are off!

  174. stackja

    PORTLAND Published 51 mins ago
    Portland protests move into ‘usually quiet nighttime streets,’ report says
    Trump has urged Portland to ‘bring in National Guard’

    Portland’s top newspaper reported Tuesday that after weeks of unrest in the city’s downtown, the “main action” appears to have shifted to neighborhoods just outside the city, prompting residents to post their concerns on various internet forums.
    The Oregonian reported that protests in the city are approaching their 80th consecutive night and residents are taking to online platforms like Reddit to post their growing safety concerns.

    The scene in Portland seems to still be tense. A fire inside the Portland Police Association on Saturday prompted authorities in the city to declare a riot and force protesters away from the offices as violent demonstrations continue in the city that had hoped for calm after federal agents withdrew more than a week ago.

    Police said a group of protesters from a nearby park marched to the building, which is located about 5 miles north of the federal courthouse, which has also been the target of nightly violence earlier this summer. The Portland Police Association is a labor union that represents members of the Portland Police Bureau.

    The clashes have increased tensions after an agreement between state and federal officials seemed to offer a brief reprieve.

    President Trump on Monday urged Portland to “bring in” the National Guard, after months of unrest, calling the city “out of control,” and warning local officials that they will “be held responsible.”

    “Portland, which is out of control, should finally, after almost 3 months, bring in the National Guard,” Trump tweeted Monday. “The Mayor and the Governor are putting people’s lives at risk. They will be held responsible.”

  175. Snoopy

    . “We know the virus can survive within refrigerated environments for quite some time.”

    It’s a good thing I haven’t bought any frozen peeled wild caught Argentinian prawns from Aldi for 4 months.

  176. Cassie of Sydney

    Tom
    #3545662, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:41 pm
    Memo Sky News: here is my new evening weekday lineup:”

    Agree 100%.

  177. Maj

    President Trump on Monday urged Portland to “bring in” the National Guard, after months of unrest, calling the city “out of control,” and warning local officials that they will “be held responsible.”

    President Trump should declare the rioters are insurrectionists and send in the military to crush them.

    Oregon turns Trump Red in November!

  178. johanna

    Tasmanian tourism promoters are off with the pixies:

    Tourism Industry Council Tasmania chief executive Luke Martin said the industry had been preparing a long-term strategy when the COVID-19 pandemic hit and borders closed.

    Mr Martin said elements from that long-term strategy — positioning Tasmania as a carbon-neutral destination, embracing the state’s Indigenous heritage and a focus on inclusive tourism for people with disability — remained.

    “That’s still at the heart of this plan but the medium term is about saving businesses and securing our workforce and making sure that as many of our businesses and our operators can survive the uncertainty we’re in,” he said.

    Yep, I can just see a potential tourist from Canada or Germany deciding to come to Tasmania because of its ‘focus on inclusive tourism.’

    Not.

  179. Farmer Gez

    I have been following Iceland from the start of this pandemic. If ever there was a place that could bring the number to zero and keep it there, it would be Iceland.

    Today 6 cases.

  180. Some History

    Tee Hee

    One of Arnie’s own [home-made] videos on his Tvittah account. It has English subtitles.

    https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1279426550748737536

  181. Roger

    Mr Martin said elements from that long-term strategy — positioning Tasmania as a carbon-neutral destination, embracing the state’s Indigenous heritage and a focus on inclusive tourism for people with disability — remained.

    Priorities based on surveys of people who will never actually visit Tasmania.

    A bit like those oft reported Economist polls of yore that rated Melbourne the world’s most liveable city.

  182. Infidel Tiger King

    9pm: Paul Murray. Past my bedtime, but the replays I’ve seen after I rise early in the morning tell me he’s popular and hitting the mark.

    He’s a well meaning ignoramus with a rolodex filled with the worst guests in Australia.

    He’s also 30-40 kgs over weight and should be banned for not wearing a tie.

  183. Some History

    “She [Kamala Harris] was very, very mean… she was probably meaner than even Pocahontas to Joe Biden.”

    https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/08/donald-trump-and-his-campaign-launch-cluster-bomb-attacks-on-kamala-harris-american-news.html

  184. mh

    Over 1500 SARS-CoV-2 reported deaths in the US yesterday.

    I want Trump re-elected, but these numbers have to be weight in the saddle.

  185. cohenite

    Yeah Murray has comorbidities and in these trying times he should lose about 50kgs; but then he would lose that jovial, fatman demeanour. Either that or get on one of the Ivermectin/ Hydroxychloroquine triple regimes.

  186. kaysee

    In the pitch black and surrounded by crumbling rubble everywhere a nurse courageously managed to rescue three premature babies, amid the devastation in Beirut.
     
    Pamala Zaynoun, who was knocked out by the blast while working in the maternity unit of one of city’s hospitals, described to ITV News of the moment she came round and realised only she could save her tiny patients.

  187. Infidel Tiger King

    If your guest list includes Fiona Scott, Bronwyn Bishop, Nicholas Reece etc, then you should be shot.

  188. cohenite

    One of Arnie’s own [home-made] videos on his Tvittah account. It has English subtitles.

    https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1279426550748737536

    Apart from being a loon about renewables and alarmism and hating the great man Trump and cheating on his wife in the worse way possible, arnie is still an arsehole.

  189. stackja

    mh
    #3545689, posted on August 12, 2020 at 7:16 pm
    Over 1500 SARS-CoV-2 reported deaths in the US yesterday.

    I want Trump re-elected, but these numbers have to be weight in the saddle.

    Deaths from SARS-CoV-2 or with? MSM “reported deaths” in the US yesterday?
    Other causes of death reported? The same MSM reassured all that “Russia” colluded.

  190. mh

    Deaths from SARS-CoV-2 or with? MSM “reported deaths” in the US yesterday?

    If Americans are sceptical that people are dying from COVID, then all is well.

  191. Cassie of Sydney

    “Infidel Tiger King
    #3545692, posted on August 12, 2020 at 7:18 pm
    If your guest list includes Fiona Scott, Bronwyn Bishop, Nicholas Reece etc, then you should be shot.”

    I don’t mind Bronny Biship but you’re right about the rest. At least Bronny has revealed she regrets voting against Abbott in September 2015……Fiona Scott never has said booooo, moooo or baaaaa about her role in the Turdbull assassination. Was so glad she lost her seat.

  192. William the Conjuror

    William, his award won’t change any votes.

    Not any more, Bruce. The family will no longer be agitating about it in the marginal electorates of Braddon and Bass in the run up to the next election. So, Bridget and Gavin can breathe their collective sigh of relief. Political expediency is a bad reason for awarding a Victoria Cross.

  193. NoFixedAddress

    Snoopy
    #3545619, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    A mining contractor has been fined $60,000 over the death of a contractor who suffered a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting.

    In February 2018, 34-year-old engineering surveyor Glenn Morton was working alone at Iluka Resources’ Cataby mine site, about 150 kilometres north of Perth, when he was stung.

    He self-administered an EpiPen and radioed for emergency assistance but co-workers found him unconscious and unresponsive some minutes later.

    He died in hospital two weeks later.

    Indus Mining Services pleaded guilty in the Moora Magistrates Court for failing to provide a safe working environment in which a contracted employee was not exposed to hazards.

    That should just about finish off private employment in Australia.

  194. Bruce of Newcastle

    Political expediency is a bad reason for awarding a Victoria Cross.

    LOL. Expediency in regard to 78 years of effort. That’s almost geologically expedient.

  195. kaysee

    1/ …… (of 2)
     
    Catallaction Club 📝
     
    It must have been around two months ago, I came across a comment on the Cat. It was related to a post on the main page, and the commenter (yes, I can recall the name), offered to pay the costs, if anyone was prepared to take up the legal battle.
     
    It occurred to me then, that there may be some legal eagle (a Cat or known to a Cat), who would like to take up the case, but is not aware that there is a sponsor for the fight. Even pro bono cases have costs. If only there was a way to match the two sides: on one hand the ones with the chequebooks, and on the other, the ones with the skills and willingness to do what’s necessary in the battle to save our freedom.
     
    There are many individuals and groups out there working for the common cause of free speech, and other conservative values. Their work requires dollars to pay for sites, tech gadgets and so on.
     
    So I’m putting together a list of names and sites. I am just trying through this club, to enable those who want to help in some way, to pitch in what they can. There are many of you who already donate to various causes. This is just to build a database, so those who have a few spare dollars to donate, and want to do so to a cause that is close to their principles and values, can check the list and pick the ones they prefer.
     
    I have no personal connection with any person or group on the list. I am simply a consumer. I trawl the internet looking for information, to learn, to understand, to educate myself, and keep up with what is happening in the world I live in. And, I have observed that there are many people, groups, and sites, trying to bring that news to the public, but they need the funds to carry on their work. Through subscriptions and donations.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    In the time needed to get Sheean his medal the whole continent of Australia moved 4 metres north.
    Expedient!

  197. kaysee

    2/
     
    Listing many links in one comment is not possible, or even splitting them across comments. I have tried in the past.
    Spam-Bam-Thank you-Zam –inator swallows them up.
    So, for now, just listing names randomly. I’ll try at a later stage, to put them together in some order.
     
    AUSTRALIA
     
    Peter Ridd (Top billing for now: Legal Action Fund)
    – IPA
    – Michael Smith News
    – Quadrant
    – Bernard Gaynor
    – Avi Yemeni
    – Australian Christian Lobby (ACL)
    – Binary (Kirralie Smith)
    – Rite ON!
    – Cardimona Election Campaign [?]
    – Advance Australia
     
     
    OVERSEAS
     
    – Power Line
    – LifeSite
    – The Remnant
    – Cardinal George Pell Donation Project
    – Spiked Online
     
     
    Please add to the list if you can. Also, provide feedback if you know why some listed sites should be supported, or on the other hand, should not be supported.

  198. johanna

    I’m struggling to see how the employer was at fault here.

    Guy had an allergy to bee stings, but he chose to work in an environment where he could be stung.

    99.9% of jobs don’t include the risk of being stung by a bee.

    Also, depends on the bee species, but mostly bees don’t attack unless they feel threatened. I have wandered around my gardens with lots of buzzing bees for decades, and never been stung. Don’t scare them, and they are no problemo.

  199. Tom

    I want Trump re-elected, but these numbers have to be weight in the saddle.

    mh, be careful of the leftard trap in thinking voters are too stupid and to see who is responsible for Kung Flu deaths (the mayors and the health bureaucracy) and who is responsible for the lawlessness of the riots (the Democrats’ military wing, Antifa).

    The riots are the central plank of the Democratic Party’s election campaign. The only thing standing in the way of a Trump landslide is the corruption of the mainstream news media, which isn’t interested in reporting on or analysing the election campaign — only in producing Democratic Party propaganda.

  200. William the Conjuror

    LOL. Expediency in regard to 78 years of effort.

    LOL. No, Bruce. The family’s desire to benefit vicariously from cousin Teddy’s heroism has only been evident for 32 years. Scomo was firmly against it after 2 reviews but, reminded of the parlous position of the Members for Braddon and Bass, appointed a new panel which, hey presto, found a way to relieve the situation. History re-written for political expediency.

  201. cohenite

    Biden is pro RoP. This guy has to be attacked by honey badgers and devoured.

  202. notafan

    Thanks Kaysee for mentioning the donation project.

    I tried to do that a few weeks ago but couldn’t find the right page.

  203. JC

    The riots are the central plank of the Democratic Party’s election campaign. The only thing standing in the way of a Trump landslide is the corruption of the mainstream news media, which isn’t interested in reporting on or analysing the election campaign — only in producing Democratic Party propaganda.

    An American friend the other day told me he believes the riots etc are because Trump is president and he’s causing people go bonkers because he’ such an abrasive divisive personality. It’s important to figure how many Americans think like that.

  204. kaysee

    Are you referring to the George Pell project?

  205. History re-written for political expediency.

    You sick malignant fuck.

    This is your peak in life, you low grub.

  206. Nob

    Vic Cats should checkout the Dan Andrews fan club, I mean the Melbourne subreddit, .
    I mean you really should, to see what your kids are thinking.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/i83sa6/essential_poll_victorians_overwhelmingly_support/

    Dan is the most unfairly treated politician in Australia and Murdoch should be banned from asking him questions.

    Etc.

  207. JC

    I want Trump re-elected, but these numbers have to be weight in the saddle.

    Look, I do too. I want to see him with another 4 years chomping at the bit. Lets not cut corners though. The oaf hasn’t been seen to have handled the china bug well. Working through a bug is not his strength. The real question is this. Who do American punter believe will get the economy moving again and do so quickly. It’s obvious the vast number of people believe it’s the Orange oaf.

  208. Bruce of Newcastle

    reminded of the parlous position of the Members for Braddon and Bass

    Haha, you’ve conjured up an issue of no relevance, who no one cares much about in voterland, and has nothing to support it but empty rhetoric. Prestidigitation without substance.

  209. pete m

    Cohenite, the 9th Circuit en banc review will not go well for J Sullivan. They have asked for oral submissions on alternatives and the biggest alternative is swapping out Sullivan for bias. They dared him to seek en banc review by not calling for it themselves, and in so doing he has become a party to the case and must be removed.

    I expect them to not order mandamus but say Sullivan has become prejudiced and must be replaced, then the new judge just wipes it all away pronto as Sullivan ought to have.

  210. notafan

    Cheers kaysee

    I already found it but thanks

  211. johanna

    Overflowing hatred against the Garry Owen Hotel in Rozelle:

    he Garry Owen Hotel in Rozelle has been slapped with $10,000 in fines after being declared the worst pub in NSW for COVID-19 safety by the industry regulator.

    The NSW Liquor and Gaming Authority described the hotel in Sydney’s inner-west as having a “complete disregard for mandated COVID safety measures”.

    Liquor and Gaming’s director of compliance, Dimitri Argeres said the breaches shocked COVID safety inspectors.

    “This would probably be the most blatant non-compliance we’ve seen with the public health orders so far,” Mr Argeres said.

    I lived close to that pub for a few years in the 1980s. It was an old style bloodhouse.

    That area has been gentrified since then, but perhaps a few shreds of the old tradition remain.

  212. Old Lefty

    How did this Frank and accurate appraisal if the Palace Chook’s policy get past the censors in the ABC politburo?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/doctor-says-queensland-coronavirus-border-closure-a-stunt/12550234

    I’m sure the Lismore reporter who filed it and the duty editor who let it through will be dealt with.

  213. notafan

    Not only that BoN

    It’s not election season and sentimentality is never as important as the hip pocket nerve.

  214. Leigh Lowe

    The Wounded Heart is an old Peshtun song:

    “There is a boy across the river,
    With a bottom like a peach,
    But alas! I cannot swim!”

    I do believe Winston, that this verse was the inspiration for the classic aria “Running Bear”.

  215. Nick

    Strange. The Garryowen coped a $10,000 fine, yet nothing for the venue that hosted a large muesli wedding.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie

    #3545630, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:16 pm

    Winston, I thought the reference to vegetarian/greenie chicks went something like “could use a feed of a steak, a half bottle of red and a good root”

    Well, I can supply an eye fillet and a bottle of cabernet.
    Two out of three ain’t bad, I guess.

  217. William the Conjuror

    you’ve conjured up an issue of no relevance

    Misdirection again from you, Bruce. Introducing red herrings is your specialty. You’ve tried it in every response to my initial and subsequent comment/s tonight. You try far too hard to move the goal posts.

  218. Bruce of Newcastle

    Misdirection again from you, Bruce. Introducing red herrings is your specialty. You’ve tried it in every response to my initial and subsequent comment/s tonight. You try far too hard to move the goal posts.

    More sound and fury signifying nothing. More people in Bass and Braddon would be concerned about aliens landing than about a WW2 guy getting a medal.

  219. jupes

    Mr Fitzgibbon said as defence minister he had “felt the frustrations” of special forces soldiers in Afghanistan, declaring “there were too many signs they were not being given the best chance to win”.

    Mr Fitzgibbon, who served as defence minister from December 2007 to June 2009, said he developed the highest regard for the Special Air Service and Commando regiments, and understood their discontent at many of the challenges they faced.

    “The release of prisoners they had risked their lives to capture is but one example,” he said. “They were understandably frustrated that while they had to fight within the confines of international law and their own rules of engagement, the enemy was not so constrained.

    “They saw billions of dollars being spent on sophisticated high-end air force and navy platforms but couldn’t always get close air support or a medevac when they needed them.

    Well said. Forget alleged ‘war crimes’ by diggers, the fact that Taliban prisoners of war were released, usually within days, is a real crime committed by the ADF leadership and Australian government. It goes a long way to explain why so called “civilians” may have been shot.

    The second crime committed by the ADF leadership and Australian government of course, is to spend tens of millions of dollars in order to send diggers to jail but not spending one cent to investigate or prosecute war crime breaches by the Taliban.

  220. William the Conjuror

    Not any more, Bruce. Political problem solved now. As I said a couple of comments ago.

  221. Helen

    So you’re not keen on Captain Cook’s misadventures on the Murray with a chook and rock

    Captain Cook chased a chook
    All around Australia
    Tripped on a rock
    And split his ****
    And now he is in Tasmania

    Is how I remember it.

  222. Cassie of Sydney

    “kaysee
    #3545710, posted on August 12, 2020 at 7:42 pm”

    Love your work Kaysee.

    I would like to do a list of youtube channels that people should listen to when they can..of course. A list of right-wing/conservative/centrist and sensibly moderate youtube commentators. These creators deserve our support.

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #3545650, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    Many thanks to OldOzzie at 3pm for posting Tony Abbott’s excellent op ed on China in the Daily Telegraph (paywalled).

    Being out of parliament has loosened Abbott’s tongue in the best possible way: the old journo in him is an excellent political analyst.

    Absolutely.
    Whatever you think of Abbott, his op-eds are always well thought out pieces.
    Which was sometimes uncomfortable for Trumble.
    Which made Abbott “divisive”.
    Just respond to his arguments.

  224. Leigh Lowe

    Captain Cook chased a chook
    All around Australia
    Tripped on a rock
    And split his ****
    And now he is in Tasmania

    Is how I remember it.

    My education was mostly classical.
    We wouldn’t ever entertain that sort of stuff.
    Not even during ribald hijinks in the dorm.

  225. cohenite

    pete m
    #3545733, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:05 pm
    Cohenite, the 9th Circuit en banc review will not go well for J Sullivan.

    I hope you’re right. The pro-Trump media has not got it. Here is a short tape of one of the appeal Judges putting a hypothetical of the DoJ being bribed by the defendant to drop the case and asking in that case can the presiding judge act on his own. Powell gives a good answer in the negative. I saw the hypothetical as a judicial positing the worst case scenario to add weight to the error of sullivan but the media missed it:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/elites-idiots-listen-dc-appeals-court-judge-wilkins-blather-hypothetical-nuns-priests-general-flynn-hearing-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

  226. mh

    JC
    #3545728, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    Trump may also get a pass mark for how the economy has been handled during Covid.

  227. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The second crime committed by the ADF leadership and Australian government of course, is to spend tens of millions of dollars in order to send diggers to jail but not spending one cent to investigate or prosecute war crime breaches by the Taliban.

    Advertising in the Pushtu (?Spelling) language newspapers for anyone who wanted to make a claim had to be up there with the worst.

  228. JC

    Yea. I don’t believe he cops any blame for the bad economy. He shouldn’t as the thing was humming like a Porsche turbo before the China bug.

  229. Bruce of Newcastle

    Not any more, Bruce. Political problem solved now.

    What, aliens have landed in Launceston? News to me.
    Maybe they’re very small invisible aliens.
    ScoMo should do something about them before the voters of Bass and Braddon vote him out!

  230. Entropy

    Old Lefty
    #3545738, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:07 pm
    How did this Frank and accurate appraisal if the Palace Chook’s policy get past the censors in the ABC politburo?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-12/doctor-says-queensland-coronavirus-border-closure-a-stunt/12550234

    I’m sure the Lismore reporter who filed it and the duty editor who let it through will be dealt with.

    I bet you have seen nothing yet, the closer to the election we get.

  231. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger King

    #3545692, posted on August 12, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    If your guest list includes Fiona Scott, Bronwyn Bishop, Nicholas Reece etc, then you should be shot.

    Sorry Tom, but you may have viewed the one in twenty programs where Paul Murray makes sense.
    It seems that someone taps him on the shoulder next day and he parks it for three weeks.
    Murray is the classic faux Aussie front bar urger, who occasionally 😥 on air about his personal life.
    He’d fit right in here.

  232. notafan

    Surprisingly army and police were patrolling the labor royalty heartland today.

    Williamstown.

    Not surprisingly no citizenry to be seen.

    Once again safety in numbers as they patrol in clumps.

    Curiously I’d feel safer with soldiers present rather than just Karens in a Uniform.

  233. rickw

    That should just about finish off private employment in Australia.

    Hell yes, our only MTI from last year was a bee sting, childhood history of bad reactions so Doc quite rightly jabbed him.

    What can you do about it? Equivalent to unsafe workplace because wukka died after being hit by a meteorite.

  234. rickw

    Pushtu

    Pashtu, or Goat Fucker. Either works.

  235. mh

    Saw a report tonight on COVID in Columbia.
    They’ve had a lockdown for months which appears to have achieved nothing.

  236. mh:

    Over 1500 SARS-CoV-2 reported deaths in the US yesterday.
    I want Trump re-elected, but these numbers have to be weight in the saddle.

    Perhaps the uncommitted middle is going to commit, and I’d be willing to bet 70% 80% are going to see the Democrats for what they are.
    Think positive.

  237. Tim Neilson

    johanna
    #3545737, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    Interesting that there’s no assertion that any Chicom virus cases can be traced back to there, or any of the other pubs mentioned in the article.

  238. kaysee

    I would like to do a list of youtube channels that people should listen to when they can..of course. A list of right-wing/conservative/centrist and sensibly moderate youtube commentators. These creators deserve our support.

    Cassie, make a list of the channels. Mark the comment Catallaction (Cat all action) Club. Anyone is welcome to join in and offer suggestions.
     
    If there are particular groups/people who need the support via donations, provide those names separately, and when I update the list above, I’ll add the names there.

  239. Siltstone

    Snoopy
    #3545619, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    A mining contractor has been fined $60,000 over the death of a contractor who suffered a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting.

    Does anyone know a good insecticide that will decimate bees for miles around? I’m sure the Department of Environment will agree with the Department of Workplace Safety that the use thereof shall be both practical and beneficial to the common good.

  240. rickw

    Curiously I’d feel safer with soldiers present rather than just Karens in a Uniform.

    There’s plenty of recent examples of Army personnel being hauled up for apparent war crimes, so they’re likely to tread a bit more lightly. Vikpol on the other hand, primordial pre Nuremberg Nazi’s, they’ll do whatever they’re told, with added spice.

  241. kaysee:

    This is just to build a database, so those who have a few spare dollars to donate, and want to do so to a cause that is close to their principles and values, can check the list and pick the ones they prefer.

    Count me in – mind you I’m just a poor old pensioner, with a dickie heart, gout, migraines, buggered memory, where was I? Oh yes, Poor old Pensioner. *snif*
    What were you after again?
    Send an email to The Doomlord for my details…

  242. rickw

    Looking at backhoe’s for JD, there’s almost a perfect JD 260 knock off made by a Chicom company called Fistter. Can’t even by the rams and valves for the price…

  243. johanna

    Siltstone
    #3545775, posted on August 12, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    Snoopy
    #3545619, posted on August 12, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    A mining contractor has been fined $60,000 over the death of a contractor who suffered a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting.

    Does anyone know a good insecticide that will decimate bees for miles around? I’m sure the Department of Environment will agree with the Department of Workplace Safety that the use thereof shall be both practical and beneficial to the common good.

    Excellent point.

    We are bombarded wuth ‘reports’ about how bees are declining because the Cause Du Jour.

    Can’t have it both ways.

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