Tuesday Forum: August 11, 2020

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  1. Ladyredneck

    Tom
    #3546449, posted on August 13, 2020 at 1:41 pm
    Bob Gottliebsen’s Paywallian column is worth breaking out of the paywall:

    Thank you Tom, that article really hit the spot for me. Having once worked in Victorian public service, for my sins, 25 years ago, I saw the rot already setting in. The meritocracy of mediocrity. So it has taken 25 years for the apotheosis to come to fruition with Dan Andrews leading, no sorry, there is no leading going on here, lets say stumbling from one blunder to the next. He is the perfect end point in this cycle of empty brown nosers with no integrity, no smarts, no idea. And he and his equally empty comrades have made sure the whole of government and the public service are the same. Heads on pikes

  2. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Grant Burge is generally quite enjoyable so don’t let these wine types destroy your birthday tipple, Joh.
    Play your best music and after the second glass it will go down like Pol Roger.

  3. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From zyconoclast at 7:56 pm:

    “Ra ci al disparities in psychotic disorder diagnosis: …”

    Here we go again. Bla c ks are nut jobs and whitey is to blame.

    “Findings reveal a clear and pervasive pattern wherein African American/Black consumers show a rate of on average three to four higher than Euro-American/White consumers. …”

    “Ne gr0s” would have been easier and more helpful for readers. Followed by “whites” or “h0n kies”. I see the author has cranked that victim multiplier as he is obliged to do.

    “… immigrant racial minority consumers receiving mental health services may be assigned a psychotic disorder diagnosis more frequently than native consumers sharing a majority racial background. Potential explanations for this phenomenon are discussed, including possible clinical bias and sociological causes such as differential access to healthcare and willingness to participate in mental health services.”

    You will need to read this jumble of words several times before gaining any understanding what in the sweet cheeses the author is attempting to give a run.

    “Directions for future research should include … .”

    Gimmeemunnee and I will write more meaningless tosh for you just like this.

  4. Mitch M.

    JC
    #3546858, posted on August 13, 2020 at 7:57 pm
    Possible doesn’t mean likely/probable.

    Nobel prize winners aren’t walking around with Hollywood starlets and finding an exception doesn’t make it the rule.

    Because most Hollywood starlets are fucking idiots and only interested in money. Nobel Prize winners are not particularly wealthy and the very bright find idiots irritating.

  5. Mark A

    I haven’t read any McCaffrey, got some somewhere.

    I only liked her PERN series. The others are bit to girly for me.

  6. As opposed to Australians BoN?

    Abortion til birth is legal in more than one state here.

    Definitely here in Victoria.

  7. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Smearing the service of those who don’t share the orthodoxy of this blog is ugly

    I knew this was coming. You disgusting dishonest staggeringly stupid syphilitic slab of unflushable shit.

  8. Siltstone

    johanna
    #3546761, posted on August 13, 2020 at 6:07 pm
    Can someone provide a succinct explanation of the legal issues in the WA Clive Palmer case? The compensation one, not the border one.
    Thanks in advance.

    Very good question Johanna (and Happy Birthday!). I smell the stench of WA crown law people shitting themselves. Clearly crown law sees real prospect of a win in the court case against their political masters interests. So the WA parliament decides “we will lose in a fair court of law, we will therefore must change the rules”. Forget whether Mr Palmer is a goodie or baddie – this is a very bad by move by any Government.

  9. Mark A
    Thanks

    That was my general impression, one of the reasons I’ve been dubious about reading them.

    Not to offend anyone but associate her with twenty something females.

  10. Mitch M.

    Findings reveal a clear and pervasive pattern wherein African American/Black consumers show a rate of on average three to four higher than Euro-American/White consumers. …”

    Means nothing genetically because as one psychiatrist stated the risk for schizophrenia is much stronger for those who have experienced adverse childhood experiences than it is for genetic risk. I include chronic childhood malnutrition and neglect. Obstetrics is an issue because difficult pregnancies and birth trauma are strong risk factors for schizophrenia and ASD. The genetic profile is still relevant but as so often happens genes load the gun and environment pulls the trigger.

  11. Cassie:

    Anne McCaffrey..one of my favourite writers.

    If it has a picture of a dragon or wizard on the front, it’s scroll time baby.
    Sometimes it’s a valid part of the selection process to judge a book by its cover.

  12. Megan

    Smearing the service of those who don’t share the orthodoxy of this blog is ugly

    No need. You’ve comprehensively smeared your own service all by yourself, by being a persistently gutless worm that drags it out every opportunity you get to beat others around the head with it.

    Totally despicable and you have the utter gall to smear others using your weak little run for safety which you think makes you special because you happened to run away from the battlefield in an Asian country.

    Cowardice is as cowardice does.

  13. cohenite

    If it has a picture of a dragon or wizard on the front, it’s scroll time baby.

    One exception, the great man, Jack Vance.

  14. Cassie of Sydney

    “Winston Smith
    #3546883, posted on August 13, 2020 at 8:40 pm
    Cassie:

    Anne McCaffrey..one of my favourite writers.

    If it has a picture of a dragon or wizard on the front, it’s scroll time baby.
    Sometimes it’s a valid part of the selection process to judge a book by its cover.”

    Understand completely WS.

  15. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Happy Birthday, Joh, hope you’ve had a lovely day.

  16. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3546883, posted on August 13, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    Horses for course, Winston.

    I think her PERN series was excellent reading despite or because of the dragons in it, take your pick.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    If it has a picture of a dragon or wizard on the front, it’s scroll time baby.

    Well there’s the Crystal Singer novels Winston.
    Music and digging up gemstones!

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    One exception, the great man, Jack Vance.

    Dragon Masters! Fine story. Won a Hugo. One of the very first SFs I read was the Lotus Caves.

  19. Mother Lode

    Grant Burge is generally quite enjoyable so don’t let these wine types destroy your birthday tipple, Joh.

    Grant Burge ‘The Holy Trinity’ is pretty good. It is one of those GSM’s (modelled on Chateauneuf du Pape, I believe) that was quite the rage a few years ago. But I think they settled on a winning formula which is why it is still selling.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, Lotus Caves was John Christopher. My bad.

  21. mh

    Wojciech Pawelczyk
    @Woj_Pawelczyk
    Video of CNN’s Don Lemon arguing that Kamala Harris is NOT an African American

    https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1145441281809821696?s=20

  22. notafan

    Like John Christopher very much, even if they were written for children in general and boys in particular.

  23. calli

    Firedrakes and Cold-worms.

    What’s wrong with dragons in tales?

  24. Eyrie

    John Christopher
    Didn’t he write “Death of Grass” which got made into a movie?

  25. notafan

    Couple of adult titles

    Maybe the world in winter?

  26. notafan

    I actually have three off the tripod books beside me, thinking of re-read them.

  27. notafan

    World in winter is dystopian ice age.

    I haven’t read but am sure I have it.

  28. notafan

    Nothing if it’s Tolkien Calli 🙂

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Spurgeon Monkfish III

    #3546869, posted on August 13, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    LOL – Alan Jones losing his shit with Blabbersack.

    Preparing the chaff bag?

  30. Leigh Lowe

    Because most Hollywood starlets are fucking idiots and only interested in money. Nobel Prize winners are not particularly wealthy and the very bright find idiots irritating.

    Alleged story from mid last century.
    Marilyn Monroe to Albert Einstein : “Imagine if we had a child … with my looks and your brains.”
    Albert : “Mmmyes. But equally it could get my looks and your brains.”
    .
    Possibly a true story.

  31. mh

    Storm blowing the Roosters off the park.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh. Sorry.

    I seem to have stumbled across a literary blog.

    I had a question for a Vietnam veteran who wrote a book, but never mind.

  33. Christopher Nuttall the “Outside Context Problem” series. You thought the invason of the paratroop elephants was cool? Hah! the best alien invasion and other stuff I’ve ever read.
    Craig Alanson Expeditionary Force.
    BV Larson – Star Force Series.
    And just because I like quirky stories, set in 1899, Nikola Tesla invents an anti gravity coil while working for Edison Electric Company. The result is ‘ether ships’ powered by coal. and it’s off to Mars…

  34. Megan

    Cassie, I can highly recommend Natasha Pulley’s books. Start with The Watchmaker of Filigree Street. There’s a Japanese samurai clairvoyant, London in the 1880s, a clockwork octopus, a young public servant in the Foreign Office who had to give up music because of severe synesthesia, Gilbert and Sullivan, and time travel among other interesting rabbit holes.

    There’s a bit of a Sherlockian influence, along with steampunk, magic, , fantasy, sciencey fiction, history, romance and many unexpected surprises. Her writing is lovely and the characterisation brings them to life, along with the atmospheric details that wrap around the intricate storyline. It’s one of those books that leaves you feeling slightly discombobulated and sorry when you get to the end.

    The Bedlam Stacks moves the action back in time to Peru and the India Office’s attempts to get the seeds of the Cinchona trees that yield quinine and break the Peruvian stranglehold on the market.

    I’ve just started the third one, The Lost Future of Pepperharrow, and the threatening conflict between Russia and Japan takes centre stage. I’m only a few chapters in and I don’t have that sense of boredom that often sets in by the time an author has flogged one idea to death.

    Not everyone’s cup of tea, so your mileage may vary. But I love them.

  35. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3546914, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:13 pm

    Oh. Sorry.

    I seem to have stumbled across a literary blog.

    I had a question for a Vietnam veteran who wrote a book, but never mind.

    He was here.
    He stormed out.
    Muttering about people “Shearing someone’s cervix”.
    I know.
    Doesn’t make sense to me either.

  36. Megan

    I seem to have stumbled across a literary blog.

    Not my usual contribution but lockdown is doing strange things to us. Think of it as a contribution to the eclectic nature of a blog with an economic and libertarian bent.

    Well, bent anyway!

  37. Leigh Lowe

    Megan

    #3546918, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Cassie, I can highly recommend Natasha Pulley’s books. Start with The Watchmaker of Filigree Street. There’s a Japanese samurai clairvoyant, London in the 1880s, a clockwork octopus, a young public servant in the Foreign Office who had to give up music because of severe synesthesia, Gilbert and Sullivan, and time travel among other interesting rabbit holes.

    What?
    Another one with a clockwork octopus and a Samurai clairvoyant?
    There are scores of those going around.

  38. thinking out aloud

    The cost of a new 100 MW solar plant is 188 mn…excluding subsidies.

    It can only produce for 12 hours a day.

    NSW average demand is 7.5 GW.

    NSW is 8 mn from 26 mn citizens.

    Electricity makes up 38.7% of our energy demand.

    (7500/50)*(26/8)*188 mn AUD*(1/0.387) = 236,821,705 AUD

    To TOTALLY replace the production side of our energy demand with solar ONLY would cost a staggering 236 BILLION WITH A “B” AUD, and it would only just cover CURRENT demand, no prospect for growth, it doesn’t include subsidies, the costs of batteries, the cost of network access or take into account maintenance and falling PV panel performance.

    Thoughts/criticisms/additions/rejoinders?

    Much to his credit, John Howard wanted to build 30 nuke plants. I am a huge Howard critic, but electing Rudd was an even bigger mistake.

    Keep in mind GDP is only around 2 trillion AUD/p.a. and we have 741 bn AUD of Commonwealth debt on issue.

  39. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Muttering about people “Shearing someone’s cervix”.’

    Ah. The giveaway line by the well-to-do and knowledgeable writers of stuff and things.

    I’m sure he’ll get the assistance he needs. Cervix stations are everywhere these days.

  40. Ah yes and a Tesla Powerwall 2 costs another $14k per household.

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Not my usual contribution but lockdown is doing strange things to us.’

    Sorry, Megan. You’ve lost me with this ‘lockdown’ thing.

  42. Cassie of Sydney

    “Megan
    #3546918, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm”

    Thanks Megan….will read….sounds like something I’ll enjoy.

  43. feelthebern

    Over the past over week or so, I’ve become pretty exited about the next 12-18 months.
    The Australian economic outlook is dire.
    But the opportunities are huge.
    Relative to the rest of the world, Australia really stinks, but as long as you accept that & minimise your exposure to it, it’s time to get pumped up.

  44. Megan

    Sorry, Megan. You’ve lost me with this ‘lockdown’ thing

    Skiting, even obliquely, is not an attractive trait. 😉

  45. cohenite

    Apparently nein has a Trump v biden poll up with voters allegedly supporting biden by 66%. Can’t link to it.

  46. Nick

    Cohenite, if only they could actually vote. It’s all meaningless

  47. Megan

    Could you expand on those opportunities a bit more, Bern? It’s the total opposite to what the media morons want us to believe.

  48. feelthebern

    Very important to see what Channel Nine viewer voter intentions are.
    In fact, it might be one of the most important polls this year.

  49. Steve trickler

    This clip has been throttled.



  50. Nob

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3546733, posted on August 13, 2020 at 5:47 pm
    Dr Dvir Abramovich…for a doctor he is….is a left-wing progressive DICK…who claims to represent the community….except he doesn’t

    Same same for all such “community leaders”.

    Complete bullshit, and media should learn to avoid these self-promoting rentaquotes.

    But they won’t because the quotes and clickbait are too easy and they’re supplied FREE.

    Media will always intone “there’s no such thing as a free lunch” but they don’t know what they’re talking about and they never look this particular gift horse in the mouth.

  51. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3546932, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    Apparently nein has a Trump v biden poll up with voters allegedly supporting biden by 66%. Can’t link to it.”

    Surely you don’t expect Nein to put up a Trump v Biden poll with voters supporting Trump by 66%? That just wouldn’t happen…doesn’t fit the narrative.

  52. JC

    Boy, humans a fucking smart. We’ll own the heavens one day.

  53. feelthebern

    How is the DNC going to get young people to get off the couch in November?
    It’s an establishment Democrat double up on the ticket.

  54. Infidel Tiger King

    Over the past over week or so, I’ve become pretty exited about the next 12-18 months.
    The Australian economic outlook is dire.
    But the opportunities are huge.
    Relative to the rest of the world, Australia really stinks, but as long as you accept that & minimise your exposure to it, it’s time to get pumped up.

    Compare to Europe we look like the promised land.

    Europe is broke and broken it can only end the traditional European way: mass deaths.

  55. JC

    Comments re my back of the envelope solar scribblings.

    bern

    Get back on the spreadsheets and check my numbers.

    BRUCE!

    GET. IN. HERE!

  56. JC

    Alleged story from mid last century.
    Marilyn Monroe to Albert Einstein : “Imagine if we had a child … with my looks and your brains.”
    Albert : “Mmmyes. But equally it could get my looks and your brains.”
    .
    Possibly a true story.

    There’s a story that keeps circulating that Albie for a leg over with her. If it’s true it should get airplay.

  57. feelthebern

    The DNC has told Tulsi & Yang they’re not wanted at the convention.
    The Young Turks, the organisation that installed all of the squad candidates in 2016 has been banned from the convention.
    It’s looking like they plan to run dead.

  58. That kid was my father, JC.

    My mother was born of Rita Hayworth and Oppenheimer.

    True story,

  59. Mitch M.

    There’s a story that keeps circulating that Albie for a leg over with her. If it’s true it should get airplay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insignificance_(film)

    The Actress appears at the door of the Professor’s hotel room, and he invites her in. They talk about fame, being chased, and the stars. She does a lively demonstration of the theory of relativity using the toys and flashlights and balloons. She tells The Professor he is at the top of her list of people she’d like to sleep with. They decide to go to bed, but are interrupted by the arrival of The Ballplayer, who has tracked her to the hotel. The Professor leaves them alone and goes to find another room, meeting a Cherokee elevator man with whom he speaks. The Actress and The Ballplayer talk about their marriage; The Actress tells her husband she believes she is pregnant, but he has fallen asleep.

  60. feelthebern

    Dot, you’re thinking too much.
    Once the off-take agreements roll off (usually 10 year deals), most of Australia’s existing solar projects are worth……zilch.

  61. I know they’re financially dogshit, I want to know the cost of this madness.

  62. JC

    Dot

    The calcs look pretty decent and there maybe a few more things to consider if they weren’t already factored in your numbers.

    1. How much land is required. This also has a cost.
    2. Rather than 12 hours a day, you’d probably say solar would only be operational 7 hours a day on average as you’d need to consider daybreak and sundown. There’s light but it’s too diffuse at the beginning and the end of the day.
    3. Does it operate with batteries, because if it does, you’d probably have to add a couple of trillion dollars for storage cost. If not, then you’d need either gas or coal running to support the periods when there’s no sun like night time and cloudy days.

    Renewables is a religious belief based on hope and faith. There’s no science involved.

  63. feelthebern

    Compare to Europe we look like the promised land.

    EU credit growth is shitting all over Aus credit growth.
    The EU looks like a region that may surprise on the upside over the 12-18 months.

  64. cohenite
    #3546932, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    Apparently nein has a Trump v biden poll up with voters allegedly supporting biden by 66%. Can’t link to it.

    I actually LOL’d. Audible scoffing.

  65. feelthebern

    3. Does it operate with batteries, because if it does, you’d probably have to add a couple of trillion dollars for storage cost.

    The batteries is where you make your money JC.

  66. Good to see the Storm give the Tricolours a pantsing. Expect Berejiklian to order them out of NSW. A stunning performance.

  67. JC

    It may be true, but then Hollywood is a place based solely on bullshit.

    Marilyn Monroe may have had an affair with Albert Einstein. In the late 1940s, actress Shelley Winters shared an apartment with Marilyn Monroe—and in her autobiography, Winters claimed that Monroe had hinted about a dalliance with the genius.

  68. feelthebern

    Rugby league has no place at the SCG.
    Horrible viewing.

  69. Infidel Tiger King

    EU credit growth is shitting all over Aus credit growth.
    The EU looks like a region that may surprise on the upside over the 12-18 months.

    Don’t be an idiot.

    All their banks are about to fail and the German ATM has run out of money and will soon collapse.

    Europeans will soon be sitting in boats bound for Africa.

  70. feelthebern

    All their banks are about to fail and the German ATM has run out of money and will soon collapse.

    Doesn’t matter.
    For a few months this year, the ECB balance sheet grew at a faster rate than the Fed.
    Don’t fight the Fed ITK.
    Also, don’t fight the ECB.

  71. JC

    Also, getting back to solar..

    What is the lifespan of a “wind farm” how long do those fucking things last before requiring replacement? I’ve read they don’t last longer than 20 years on the outside.

    Did depreciation factor into your cost, Dot?

    Perhaps, to be totally fair, coal and gas plants also need repairs and parts replacement, however they don’t need to be replaced every 20 years. Therefore, the differential deprecation should be factored in.

    Look, it would get to the stage where median weekly earnings would go to keep the fucking lights on and no one would have a job.

  72. Being of Jamaican and Indian heritage she is not African American. Oh wait, are not the sub continent Indians the highest earning income group in USA ?

    Wojciech Pawelczyk
    @Woj_Pawelczyk
    Video of CNN’s Don Lemon arguing that Kamala Harris is NOT an African American

  73. DrBeauGan

    Alleged story from mid last century.
    Marilyn Monroe to Albert Einstein : “Imagine if we had a child … with my looks and your brains.”
    Albert : “Mmmyes. But equally it could get my looks and your brains.”
    .
    Possibly a true story.

    George Bernard Shaw and a contemporary actress. Early twentieth century.

  74. Infidel Tiger King

    Doesn’t matter.
    For a few months this year, the ECB balance sheet grew at a faster rate than the Fed.

    Why do you think that was?

    The Italian and French banks are on the precipice. Things are going to be very ugly for Europe.

    Only another Great War will distract them.

  75. If anyone can explain what kind (how valuable too) and how many renewables certificates a 188 mn AUD, “100 MW” solar plant would get, that would be great.

  76. feelthebern

    Did depreciation factor into your cost, Dot?

    Good question.
    What’s the depreciation schedule on a solar panel look like?

  77. Video of CNN’s Don Lemon arguing that Kamala Harris is NOT an African American

    She’s lost the low information doctor’s wives.

    Terrible news.

  78. JC

    Artie

    Shut up, I’m long the euro. Don’t jinx the trade.

  79. JC

    Good question.
    What’s the depreciation schedule on a solar panel look like?

    I’m pretty sure our resident genius, Bruce from N did some work on this and posted it here a few years back. But, he’s in bed (since 4 this afternoon). He goes to bed early so ask him tomorrow.

  80. feelthebern

    Why do you think that was?

    Because they realised they got left behind post the GFC because they didn’t go nuts like the Fed did.
    They used COVID as a reset.
    You can expect a more Fed like ECB moving forward.
    Just sit back & enjoy bond markets being propped up for ever.

  81. What a ridiculous young man.

    423 yard drives during a real PGA tournament.

  82. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Marilyn Monroe to Albert Einstein : “Imagine if we had a child … with my looks and your brains.”
    Albert : “Mmmyes. But equally it could get my looks and your brains.”
    .
    Possibly a true story

    Albert evidently had Christina Onassis, the daughter of Aristotle and Tina Onassis, in mind.

  83. feelthebern

    I reckon oil is setting up very nicely.
    ITK probably hates oil too.

  84. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3546924, posted on August 13, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    KD,
    I haven’t read that far back and I don’t think I want to!

  85. Infidel Tiger King

    Artie

    Shut up, I’m long the euro. Don’t jinx the trade.

    Big mistake.

  86. feelthebern

    ITK only uses dingo dollars.

  87. JC

    Look, as far as the EU goes, the fuckers recently made a joint bond issue, which is really quite important in the sense of consolidating the debt. Okay, work with me on this.

    The bond issue was for €1.8 trillion, which gives them a reasonable time to figure things. If Spain and Italy reformed their labor markets etc and mass fired government workers ( france also but less so) things could turn there.

    Italians are fucking useless at choosing government and their also very statist just like the rest of the continent, so I would get my hopes up.* All they talk about is how bad their governments have been without looking in the mirror and admitting they voted for imbeciles. They’ve really only had one decent leader after the war and that was Di Gaspari – a kraut basically from Tyrol.

    * We have a couple of off the boaters who groan about having been forced to leave to find work because their governments are terrible.

  88. JC

    Big mistake.

    It’s not a marriage proposal. I’m currently long and have been trading this thing on the long side in and out for over a week. Doesn’t mean I’m married to it. I’ll reconsider at 1.25.

  89. feelthebern

    Hey Steve, that History Guy has one of the best channels on youtube.
    You can spend hours watching video after video.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    George Bernard Shaw and a contemporary actress. Early twentieth century.

    Wasn’t George Bernard Shaw who was supposed to have asked a contemporary actress

    “Madam, would you go to bed with me for the consideration of five thousand pounds?”

    “Um, yes, since you were good looking, and charming, yes, I suppose I could.”

    “How about we go down on the seat now, for five pounds?”

    “Certainly, not, what do you think I am?”

    “That, madam, has already been decided, all we are deciding now is the price.”

  91. feelthebern

    Very interesting stuff.

  92. Steve trickler

    feelthebern.

    Agreed. I have been posting him here for a couple of years. 😎 People that discover the channel are in for a ride.

  93. JC

    It’s kind of ironic when you think about it. Adenauer ( West Germany), Robert shumann (France) and Di Gaspari (Italy) were three Krauts who after the war got together and began the foundations of the EU. They kinda took over from where Hitler left off.

  94. jupes

    Video of CNN’s Don Lemon arguing that Kamala Harris is NOT an African American

    That was hilarious and disturbing. Beclowning themselves arguing the finer points of racist theory on national TV.

    Videos like that will become lessons for future generations when they study just how utterly absurd the beginning of the 21st century was.

  95. duncanm

    Warragamba dam is completely Flanneried

    They’ve been releasing water. Strange there’s no news about that.

  96. Infidel Tiger King

    Charles V Payne
    @cvpayne
    ·
    8m
    Breaking News

    Initial Jobless Claims 963,000 -228,000
    Continuing Jobless Claims 15,486,000 -604,000
    Pandemic Assistance 488,622 -167,377

    Experts expect more dire numbers.

    There are people out that that hate improving news including many in financial media but too damn bad.

  97. Steve trickler

    When I say him, include his wife. She’s a guru researcher.

  98. JC

    Videos like that will become lessons for future generations when they study just how utterly absurd the beginning of the 21st century was.

    But think of the downside, Jupes. In the linear direction the left is heading, Sleepy Joe, Harris, Pocahontas, AOC could be considered far right in 20 years time. Those vids could have people thinking how absurdly rightwing Don Orange & Lemon was. 🙂

  99. jupes

    But think of the downside, Jupes. In the linear direction the left is heading, Sleepy Joe, Harris, Pocahontas, AOC could be considered far right in 20 years time. Those vids could have people thinking how absurdly rightwing Don Orange & Lemon was. 🙂

    Could be JC.

    I wrote that in one of those moments when I felt optimistic about the future.

  100. feelthebern

    In 20 years time the financially free will live in floating cities above the earth in tax free environments.
    Politics will only be for the lowly land dwellers.

  101. Davey Boy

    Diversity and inclusion at the RBA
    I suspect Fair Work Commission deputy Bryce Cross won’t be in FWA much longer

    ‘Token white guy’ wins RBA unfair dismissal case
    August 13, 2020

    A man fired from his job at the Reserve Bank of Australia for sending a racist group message has won an unfair dismissal case, exposing the toxic work culture in his department.

    Martin Bajelis was sacked from his position in the IT department after a WhatsApp message, that was meant for his wife, was accidentally sent to a work group chat.

    In the text Mr Bajelis implied Asian children were less likely to “understand” their schoolwork.

    ” … I realised the difference between Asians and Anglos.

    “Asians have no interest in understanding, they are content to just learn the formulas or routines and it doesn’t matter if they understand them,” the text read.

    A minute later he sent: “That’s why they can’t solve problems.”

    Mr Bajelis was quick to realise his mistake and delete the messages but not before they had been seen by eight of his colleagues and screenshots were taken.

    The senior network engineer apologised for the racist message, but the damage was done – the screenshots spread and 24 of his colleagues eventually viewed the outburst.

    He was fired a month later.

    A manager in the department claimed that two-thirds of staffers were of Asian or South Asian heritage.

    Mr Bajelis said he never meant to hurt anyone but acknowledges the texts were racist. Two colleagues complained about the messages while one said she would not be able to work with Mr Bajelis if he returned.

    An investigation by the Fair Work Commission probe into the dismissal has revealed racial tensions and allegations of bullying in the Reserve Bank

    Mr Bajelis said he was the victim of racially targeted bullying and alleged colleagues would refer to him as the “token white guy”, which he complained to management about.

    Fair Work Commission deputy Bryce Cross said the man’s dismissal was “harsh, unjust and unreasonable”.

    “Quite obviously, it would have been preferable that the initial messages were not sent. However, I do not consider that the sending of the initial messages has precluded an ongoing work relationship,” Mr Cross said.

  102. feelthebern

    Fucking stupid RBA.

  103. JC

    In 20 years time the financially free will live in floating cities above the earth in tax free environments.
    Politics will only be for the lowly land dwellers.

    There was a really good movie about that. Matt Damon was in it. The rich got out of Dodge and lived in a huge spiral well above the earth and far away from the riff raff. Kind of looked like Palm Beach Florida.

  104. duncanm

    I’m not sure if I’m hot or cold on Nick Cave, maybe both.

    But he often talks a lot of sense, and I give him credit for standing up to the yarts community.

    https://www.theredhandfiles.com/what-is-mercy-for-you/

    Frances, you’ve asked about cancel culture. As far as I can see, cancel culture is mercy’s antithesis. Political correctness has grown to become the unhappiest religion in the world. Its once honourable attempt to reimagine our society in a more equitable way now embodies all the worst aspects that religion has to offer (and none of the beauty) — moral certainty and self-righteousness shorn even of the capacity for redemption. It has become quite literally, bad religion run amuck.

  105. Infidel Tiger King

    What was racist about the message?

    It’s very true.

  106. twostix

    A manager in the department claimed that two-thirds of staffers were of Asian or South Asian heritage.

    34% of people in a department at the RBA are white in a nation that is 85% white.

    How very interesting.

  107. Infidel Tiger King

    In 20 years time the financially free will live in floating cities above the earth in tax free environments.
    Politics will only be for the lowly land dwellers.

    The history of the world says the elite are far more likely to be [email protected] to death.

    Frankly I look forward to it.

  108. cohenite

    Cost of renewables; my comments and TonyfromOZ:

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/01/19/another-climate-roundup-19-jan/

    As a rough rule of thumb about $500 million per 100MW installed. There’s about 30000 MW installed in Australia but that is probably too little since I haven’t looked at it for a while. It doesn’t include removal. Or grid connection, which could add another 50% since the things are placed in far flung places, plus they require large scale inverters called condensers and frequency smoothing infrastructure.

  109. JC

    Elysium

    Good movie.

    He also did what is the gheyest move of all time called Downsizing. I watched it because it was so unintentionally funny. Gerbil warming was rock and rolling along, so ‘vironmentally concerned citizens (damon and family) decided to be be miniaturized and wouldn’t put so much stress on the earth. I was hoping to see house cats eat the fuckers.

  110. feelthebern

    The history of the world says the elite are far more likely to be [email protected] to death.

    Frankly I look forward to it.

    Doing the [email protected]?
    Or being [email protected]?

  111. twostix

    A team alongside me, an Indian just left and was replaced by…surprise! another Indian.

    Indian manager. His team is over 50% Indian.

    To complain about obvious racism and discriminatory hiring would mean being fired for…racism.

    Clown universe.

  112. Mark A

    twostix
    #3547019, posted on August 13, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    A team alongside me, an Indian just left and was replaced by…surprise! another Indian.

    Indian manager. His team is over 50% Indian.

    To complain about obvious racism and discriminatory hiring would mean being fired for…racism.

    Clown universe.

    Some of those ‘woke’ EU places are the most blatant hypocrites about employing migrants (certain kind only) in good paying jobs. Including Gov. jobs.

    Nothing like here, don’t know about the US or UK.

  113. JC

    To complain about obvious racism and discriminatory hiring would mean being fired for…racism.

    Don’t complain about racism. Complain about an obvious lack of diversity.

  114. twostix

    Man Drudge is shit now.

    It’d almost be better if he / they whoever had of just nakedly sold out to CNN. At least you could feel annoyed when you visited the site.

    Instead it’s just…tepid and shit. What a strange end for the site.

  115. JC

    I don’t think Drudge is there anymore Stix. There were rumors floating that he sold the site and also signed a non-disclose agreement. Even the headers are now a different tone in style. It’s humorless and very leftwing. I used to go there but don’t anymore very much as it’s become a leftwing site.

  116. Mark A

    Anyhow have Winfield.
    Lame pics.

    NfA,
    the hills are fine if not alive with singing, the oldies moved to the Baynton property at end of March from Melb. and have limited contact with the outside world, bro is supplying the daily needs with all precautions.
    Both Mum and Dad are near 90 and being careful.
    Cheers

  117. Dave in Marybrook

    Elysium– good lookin’, crap movie.
    In a sprawling slum where everyone talks Spanish- let’s call it “Mexico” for concision-
    Workin’ class boy cain’t ever get nowhere ‘cos the man is beating him down, on him criminal rekkid.
    Cain’t never afford no medicine.
    Reconnects with golden-hearted childhood friend, who is so goldenhearted that she’s a doctor.
    Flies illegally to promised land- let’s call it “America”- where the snooty frenchy fascists have miraculous free healthcare machine- let’s call it “Obamacare”.
    Throws it awat for a lil’ girl, because single male extraordinary migration is all about the lil’ children’s better future innit?
    Don’t get me wrong, great FX, thanks to Weta Studios. But a transparent and small plot.
    District 9- now there’s a fantastic filum.

  118. JC

    Sometimes Dave, it’s just worthwhile watching a movie and not reading too much into it. You’ll enjoy it more 🙂

  119. twostix

    Who would have bought it then ruined it by making it pedestrian like that.

  120. mh

    I don’t think Drudge is there anymore Stix. There were rumors floating that he sold the site and also signed a non-disclose agreement.

    That news was broken by Alex Jones at least 18 months ago.

  121. Zyconoclast

    In 20 years time the financially free will live in floating cities above the earth in tax free environments.

    The Jetsons promise?

  122. JC

    Dunno who bought it, but it’s been destroyed. The other thought I had is that perhaps Drudge could have ended up with a leftwing boyfriend and he’s has the upper hand and wears the pamts. You never know.

  123. dover_beach

    Who would have bought it then ruined it by making it pedestrian like that.

    Bezos or Soros, for sure.

  124. Zyconoclast

    A return to a more civilised time.

    The US government has proposed changing the definition of a showerhead to allow increased water flow, following complaints from President Donald Trump about his hair routine.

    Under a 1992 law, showerheads in the US are not allowed to produce more than 2.5 gallons (9.5l) of water per minute.
    The Trump administration wants this limit to apply to each nozzle, rather than the overall fixture.
    Consumer and conservation groups argue that it is wasteful and unnecessary.

  125. JC

    That news was broken by Alex Jones at least 18 months ago.

    mh, Jones doesn’t do news. The sale story was never backed up so I think it’s a boyfriend issue. Drudge lets the boyfriend do whatever he wants with the site.

    The headers are just so lame. It’s not anti-Trump as much as it’s just leftwing now and totally humorless, which is typical for the left. They can’t do any sort of humor.

  126. JC

    I took a look a few weeks ago and saw they had linked to an Anti-Trump CNN piece.

  127. JC

    The main header on Trump. Just saw it.

    How fucking lame is this.

    SHE THE PEOPLE
    DID BIDEN TRUMP TRUMP?

  128. mh

    We all complain about the MSM, but remember RT and Epoch Times are there.

    Easy to forget as Google will try and link you to the Guardian and CNN.

  129. mh

    it’s just leftwing now and totally humorless, which is typical for the left. They can’t do any sort of humor.

    The Don Lemon clip above was funny.

  130. JC

    Realclear politics is a decent site, but you really only get the vibe on what the fuck is going on in that lunatic country by our afternoon as they’re slow to post links to stories. They do both a right and left slant on important topics of the day and you just avoid the left wing trash.

    They also pick up any pieces Conrad Black writes, which are really good reads at times.

  131. Zyconoclast

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  132. mh

    I found out ten seconds ago that Lemon is gay.

    Is CNN a gay station?

  133. Mitch M.

    Zyconoclast
    #3547029, posted on August 13, 2020 at 11:30 pm
    In 20 years time the financially free will live in floating cities above the earth in tax free environments.

    And all their children will suffer horrible congenital problems from the increased radiation exposure in vitro.

  134. Zyconoclast

    And all their children will suffer horrible congenital problems from the increased radiation exposure in vitro.

    And muscular atrophy like the space station blokes.

  135. JC

    Brian Stelter is the only manly man at CNN.

    Someone said once Stelter is evolving. That’s very funny.

  136. boogie pilgrim

    notafan – loved the John Christopher books as a young boy, the Tripods series are some of the first books I remember reading.

    His ‘Sword of the Spirits’ trilogy blew my 12 year-old mind; I have thought of re-reading but suspect it won’t be as good second time around.

  137. NoFixedAddress

    the oldies moved to the Baynton property

    good on ’em both.

  138. mh

    Chris Cuomo. He’ll throw you down the fvcking stairs.

  139. C.L.

    I found out ten seconds ago that Lemon is gay.

    Even funnier: the ‘correct’ pronunciation is La-mon.
    Really.

  140. I found out ten seconds ago that Lemon is gay.

    How’d you find out?
    Anything you want to get off your chest? Or that you want to share with us?
    It can be a hell of a burden, you’ll feel better after sharing.

  141. Passat!
    Arma, get in here
    It’s ded, mate
    Go for it

  142. Tom

    Today is a standout day for American cartoons. Michael Ramirez — brilliant.

  143. Ed Case

    The Willie Brown factor could be a plus for the Dems.
    Black Pepe is as blackety black as they come as well as being a master pol.
    Joe’s supposed senility is going to be a nothingburger too.
    He’s always been a fruitloop,.

  144. Knuckle Dragger

    Damn straight Tom. There’s some belters in there today.

    Ramirez. Phew.

  145. Megan

    Thanks, Tom. Great toons today. Leak is just getting better and better!

  146. calli

    duncanm
    #3547000, posted on August 13, 2020 at 10:47 pm
    Warragamba dam is completely Flanneried

    They’ve been releasing water. Strange there’s no news about that.

    Yes there is! It’s to be re-named the Tim Flannery Memorial Spillway.

    I got it from a reliable source.

  147. rickw

    The Wontoks will NOT be paying the Chicoms for their spy centre / data centre:

  148. calli

    Ramirez and Branco are bookends to the tragedy that continues to unfold in the States.

    Love Rowe’s Putin.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    The Big Club in action:

    27 March: Emergency Services Commissioner (of Victoria, of course) Andrew Crisp rejects offer of 100 initial ADF staff with more to come for admin/logistics work made by Canberra.
    March – May: Offers remain on table. Repeatedly refused by Crisp*.
    Mid June: Offer of 850 ADF punters made by Canberra. Accepted by Crisp.
    The next day: Crisp cancels the acceptance, re-rejecting the troops after being told by Andrews that there was a massive opportunity for a well-meaning social inclusion program that benefited both his voter blocs and his Global Victoria inbound super trade scheme.

    Another Seconds from Disaster episode in the making.

    Naturally, Crisp was parachuted into the job from his then-role as Assistant Commissioner with VicPol.

    *Couldn’t have Danxi looking weak and needing help during the Adem Somyurek fiasco.

  150. Knuckle Dragger

    Apologies. Crisp is an ex-Deputy Commissioner.

    This is actually what he said when given what he thought was a sinecure in 2018:

    ‘”I’ve got significant emergency management experience,” Deputy Commissioner Crisp said.

    ‘”It’s a bit like when I run operations at Victoria Police. I’m not the tactical expert, I’m not the intelligence expert.’

    No shit. But wait:

    ‘”The strength that I bring is actually bringing together good teams, listening to good teams, and delivering good community outcomes.”‘

    Ooooh yeah. That one’s not aging well at all, Andy.

  151. Knuckle Dragger

    After the public stonings they could install a triumvirate of Lincoln, Reagan and Thatcher in Victoria and people will still leave by the million.

    The only reason Vic Flight hasn’t happened yet is because nobody else will let them in.

  152. feelthebern

    Big Pharma outspends the gun lobby 200:1 when it comes to political spend.
    They’re not doing it for their health.

  153. feelthebern

    Dunno about that KD.
    I reckon they’ll lose about 100,000 max.
    Most Victorians enjoy Dan’s spaghetti dick penetrating them.

  154. rickw

    Mark Felton my be doing a documentary on Vikpol one day:

  155. custard

    In a typical week of Tom’s toons I normally save one or two standout pictures. Today I saved 5. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks again Tom.

  156. feelthebern

    Don’t expect to see Leigh Lowe until later.
    Geez, he minced himself to pieces yesterday.
    Clean up crew will be done at the clubhouse by about noon.
    #mongrellife

  157. Some interesting podcasts here.

    Podcast mini-series about the 43 Group of mostly Joowish ex-servicemen and women who battled Oswald Mosley’s fascists in Britain’s streets after World War II.
    We speak with Daniel Sonabend, author of We Fight Fascists: The 43 Group and Their Forgotten Battle for Post-War Britain, as well as Jules Konopinski, who was a member of the group.

  158. calli

    The Age has broken an interesting story about “Patient Zero” in the hotel saga.

    It’s very carefully worded, and appears to exonerate the security guards, and of course, their handlers. Miss “Lean In” can breathe a sigh of relief.

    Like so much coming out of this brouhaha, they’re Running the Distraction Squirrels.

  159. Mater

    Podcast mini-series about the 43 Group of mostly Joowish ex-servicemen and women who battled Oswald Mosley’s fascists in Britain’s streets after World War II.

    Did they realise he was a Fabian socialist?

    THE LITTLE TRAMP OF THE LEFT

  160. A forgotten genocide.

    The use of massive armed force to starve Ireland belies the exculpable “famine” and its synonyms “great hunger/gorta mor.” “Genocide” is accurate, but no Irish person had ever used it, it was coined post-WW2 by Raphael Lemkin to educate the US Congress as to Nazis crimes against Jews. An appropriately inculpable label was used to report events in Ireland starting in 1846. Writers Davitt, Fitzgerald, et al. and the Cork Examiner (now Irish Examiner) repeatedly reported it as Holocaust.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Most Victorians enjoy Dan’s spaghetti dick penetrating them.’

    Enough to have kept him in the chair as long as he has, anyway. Which brings me to revolutions.

    In this country, as opposed to, say, Europe (yes I know) if you are that dissatisfied with what’s going on where you are in your particular part of the country you can move somewhere else whilst staying in the same nation and then enjoy less tax, better weather and other ancillary benefits including not being treated like a child with a bottomless wallet. Exhibit A – Vics fleeing to Queensland at five-year intervals or so since the 70s.

    If you have absolutely no other choice – none, the natural fallback is to stand and fight, and if necessary fall. The reason why there won’t be armed resistance in Australia is not so much laziness or complacency, but that there are still these avenues available to avoid one State’s fuckwittery by moving to another.

    The US riots, by comparison are opportunistic events largely created by skinny white activists pushing blecks to the forefront of their campaign to smash stuff while still receiving gummint benefits. Once they’ve outlived their purpose, the blecks will be chucked in the bin – again – by those same skinny white chicks.

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    FfffffffZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….

    …. ..

    *plunk*

  163. feelthebern

    One of the silver linings in the US is the boom in inter state migration.
    Ideally, we’ll see a boom in that here in Oz too, but unlikely.

  164. Mater

    The difficulty for Chaplin, like many on the Anglo-American left, was that for all their obvious faults fascist regimes had seemed to conquer that most tricky of interwar foes – mass unemployment. In 1928 Chaplin wrote that Benito Mussolini was one of his ‘men of the year’ because ‘he has taken a great nation and put it to work.’ Three years later, promoting his masterpiece City Lights, Chaplin visited fascist Italy and claimed that he was ‘impressed with its atmosphere…hope and desire seemed in the air.’ And when meeting Oswald Mosley in 1931 – after Mosley’s resignation from the Labour government and a year away from launching the British Union of Fascists – Chaplin found that their brands of economic intervention had much in common. He later wrote that the future fascist was ‘one of the most promising young men in English politics.

  165. Twostix

    New Zealand opens cov19 concentration camps.

    Coronavirus: Government will send all confirmed Covid-19 community cases to quarantine facilities

    Bloomfield said there had been some initial reluctance from the families involved but this had not lasted.

    That last quote sounds fairly menacing.

  166. feelthebern

    All parties bend over backwards to co-opt unsavoury types.
    They want more money so they want more supporters.
    This is why the rusted on voter or party member has to be accepting of that (the smart ones) or unaware (the retarded, rusted on, inter generational voter who is indoctrinated at the dinner table).
    In Australia, there has only been one party set up to exclude & that was the DLP.
    That’s what set it aside from the carpet baggers & blow-ins that are most of the political class today.

  167. feelthebern

    Coronavirus: Government will send all confirmed Covid-19 community cases to quarantine facilities

    Unless you get a note from Horse Face.
    You’d like to think there will be some scrutiny of all the exemptions granted at state & federal level here in Oz.
    But there won’t be.
    Considering the SA premier got to travel interstate for his kids graduation, I’m surprised he wasn’t booted in the balls by the first SA resident who found out.

  168. Cassie of Sydney

    “Joowish ex-servicemen and women”

    What…Jooos fighting back! Can’t have those “religious extremists” fighting back….can we?

  169. feelthebern

    It must be tough for numbers.
    He was indoctrinated at the dinner table by a man who he was brought up to think was a hero.
    But then he realises that the hero was actually was dining out on a decisive move to avoid being a hero.
    Tough break.

  170. Roger

    Seems many on the prog-left aren’t all that enthused about Kamala Harris:

    Monopoly Kamala Harris Edition

  171. notafan

    Yes Calli

    The test date isn’t the date first infected.

  172. Mater

    He was indoctrinated at the dinner table by a man who he was brought up to think was a hero.
    But then he realises that the hero was actually was dining out on a decisive move to avoid being a hero.

    FTB,
    To be fair, Bob’s Dad did apply to fly as aircrew in Europe, before the bombing of Darwin. He was rejected, through not fault of his own, then applied for ground crew duties. All indications are that he was a good man ‘wanting to do his bit’, and no indication of avoidance.

    This is a separate issue to his indoctrination of Bob, and most certainly separate to Bob’s lying about his fathers service.

  173. Anne

    COVID-19 is the biggest political scam in history.

    Falsifying death certificates for taxpayer cash grabs and worse ensnaring relatives into the fraud.

    This is a National scandal.

    Read the replies too.

    https://twitter.com/rtrajceski/status/1293792496284127233?s=21

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seems many on the prog-left aren’t all that enthused about Kamala Harris

    She’s got a new endorsement!

    Chinese State Media Applauds Kamala Harris: She ‘Punished Criminals Ruthlessly’ (13 Aug)

    I think the CCP propaganda department needs some work, as this doesn’t quite send the message of support they were intending.

  175. The forgotten genocide.

    The use of massive armed force to starve Ireland belies the exculpable “famine” and its synonyms “great hunger/gorta mor.” “Genocide” is accurate, but no Irish person had ever used it, it was coined post-WW2 by Raphael Lemkin to educate the US Congress as to Nazis crimes against Joows. An appropriately inculpable label was used to report events in Ireland starting in 1846. Writers Davitt, Fitzgerald, et al. and the Cork Examiner (now Irish Examiner) repeatedly reported it as Holocaust.

  176. Roger

    And that damned potato blight was never brought to justice.

  177. calli

    Toowoomba is in the news.

    He came home to Qld, tested negative, spent over a week in the hotel, tested negative again and scarpered. Tracked down, brought before the beak, fined and back in quarantine.

    He tested negative to COVID-19 at the start of quarantine, and further tests today found he was free of the virus.

    In sentencing, Magistrate Graham Lee said Green’s actions were foolish and selfish.

    He was fined $1,500 and a conviction was recorded.

    He will remain in isolation until at least next week.

    To make thus ridiculous story perfect – a ‘Rona transmission in the watch house.

    Watch this space.

  178. But then he realises that the hero was actually was dining out on a decisive move to avoid being a hero.

    This “is actually is” a clear indication of level of understanding feelthebern has about history and temporal sequence. He’s not Robinson Crusoe on this site.

    All indications are that he was a good man wanting to “do his bit” and no indication of avoidance.

    Would you like to have a look at my service record so you can trawl through it to find “indications of avoidance”?
    I’m quite happy to email it to Sinc.
    It would keep you busy for hours.

  179. Cassie of Sydney

    The racist Joooo hater from Toowoomba links to a far-left site that supports the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Jooos from Israel.

    Some people, early in the morning, have porridge or eggs for breakfast. Not out “numbers”….he feeds on Jooo hatred.

  180. Struth

    Good Moaning.
    As communism sweeps the nation, Comrade Numbers seems to be desperately trying to create distraction squirrels.
    F’ off numbers.
    Voters like you, and child brain washers like yourself caused this mess we are in.

  181. Anne

    Joe’s central campaign promise.

    ‘Vote for me, I’ll force everyone to wear face nappies.’ 👍🏻

  182. Cassie of Sydney

    “Voters like you, and child brain washers like yourself caused this mess we are in.”

    Absolutely.

  183. Entropy

    Racism is just moar socialism with a corporate face.
    Delivers the same kind of benefits to the elite as well.

  184. As Communism sweeps the nation.

    Goodness me!
    I must have slept in and missed that.

  185. lotocoti

    He will remain in isolation until at least next week.

    That boy done got rabbit in his blood.
    He gonna get his mind right.

  186. Farmer Gez

    The Covid Cult now want to put Bendigo in Stage 5.

    Worrying case numbers we’re told.
    Let’s look.

    Melbourne has 0.15% of the population with active Covid.
    Bendigo has 0.05%.

    What you’re not told is there is almost a total absence of contact tracing and follow up in the country areas.

    ‘We’re all in this together.’

  187. Bruce of Newcastle

    Goodness me!
    I must have slept in and missed that.

    You know what they say about fish and water.

  188. Twostix

    What happened to the massive corruption scandal that broke about the Victorian ALP?

    Magically disappeared.

  189. Mater

    Would you like to have a look at my service record so you can trawl through it to find “indications of avoidance”?

    Listen Bob,
    I just corrected someone about your fathers service, in the name of ‘the truth’. Take note, that’s what it looks like. Don’t read it as a sign of weakness and try to take advantage of it. I suggest you shut the fuck up whilst you’re ahead. People on thin ice shouldn’t dance the Irish jig.

    As for signs of your avoidance, you’ve made the case clear yourself.

    I’d always been honest with my superiors about my discontent at my posting, so the recommendation was made, and my transfer came through. This meant that I would live behind the wire in a tent, and would not be spending the rest of my tour (about six months) tromping through the jungle. I had made some great mates in B Company, and felt some guilt at moving into the relative safety of Admin Company, but in the end was relieved at the less dangerous posting. It sat well with my major goal of getting home in one piece.

  190. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez
    #3547139, posted on August 14, 2020 at 8:28 am

    The Covid Cult now want to put Bendigo in Stage 5.

    Where’s that reported, Gez?

  191. Cassie of Sydney

    Jennifer Oriel has a good piece (as always) in today’s Oz…

    “Pandemic or plandemic? The conspiracy theories abound

    Living in the time of COVID-19 is like being caught between a priggish schoolmarm, a piggish ­bureaucrat and an adolescent suffering oppositional defiance disorder. The nanny state has come to life as curtain-twitchers armed with sanitising gel and social distancing obsession scour the public square to punish folk who fall short of government rules.

    Whether you question the wisdom of economic shutdowns, fear the growth of big government, or admit to confusion about the changeable advice on viral prevention, you stand accused. There is no middle ground. Everyone from the fools who breach quarantine to scholars who criticise government policy risks being accused of conspiracy, misanthropy, or murder. COVID-19 critics are the new deplorables.

    Unlike his co-accused, the ­covidiot, the covideplorable is a political criminal. Where the covidiot breaches public health advice, the covideplorable is guilty of thought crime.

    Consider the case of Adam Creighton, who was accused on social media of joining a death cult after questioning – on this page – the economic and social costs of economic shutdowns. Or observe BBC presenter Mishal Husain questioning whether British former supreme court judge Lord Sumption had “completely” observed the rules of lockdown after he proposed a ­rational choice approach to the pandemic that emphasises personal responsibility, not government intervention.

    The new deplorable class features classical liberals and people who are generally wary of big ­government. The favoured term of derision for the latter is conspiracy theorist. While there are some twitchy folk who believe 5G technology transmits the virus, or a vaccine would be used for mind control, most sceptics are concerned about big government, big debt and the negligible effect of economic shutdowns if the coronavirus is here to stay.

    In the media, the same characteristics used to smear Donald Trump’s deplorables are refashioned as tools of bigotry for a COVID-19 climate, namely being white and right of centre. In The Guardian, an article associated being white, female and leaving the left to become a Trump supporter to anti-vaxxer politics and conspiracy theory. In The Sydney Morning Herald, a COVID-19 conspiracy theorist arrested for violating border restrictions was described as an “avid Donald Trump supporter” with no analysis of its relevance to the case.

    In the Harvard Kennedy School Misinformation Review, researchers suggested a correlation between watching conservative media and belief in conspiracy theories about COVID-19. On the face of it, the findings are troubling. However, the authors did not demonstrate a causal relationship between such media consumption and the development of conspiratorial beliefs. Nor did they disprove a relationship between consuming left-wing media and believing in other conspiracies.

    Most troubling was the fact that the researchers solicited donations for left-wing media in the body of the article: “Readers who appreciate this contribution to public health might respond by subscribing or, in the case of The Guardian, which does not have a paywall, by donating to that ­organisation.”

    Just before Trump was elected president, the media was certain it would never happen. From left to right and straight down the middle, the political-media class ridiculed Trump and denigrated his base. People seeking an alternative to government by insular PC elites were smeared as white supremacists, far-right extremists, uneducated and stupid. To speak of the virtues of nationhood, the enlightening values of the West, the necessity of free speech and the need for secure state borders invited trial by media. So confident were Democrats of an easy victory over Trump that Hillary Clinton vilified his base: “You could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘Basket of Deplorables’ … some of those folks, they are irredeemable.”

    The word irredeemable is imbued with meaning. It is a term of condemnation once reserved for final judgment. It means hopeless, ineducable, beyond redemption. Those tarred with the label are held beneath contempt and severe social opprobrium is permitted to punish them.

    In the time of COVID-19, the deplorable group has broadened to include people critical of government policy. But there is a disturbing degree of suspicion about the origins of the virus, which was made worse by the Chinese government’s refusal to accept an independent investigation.

    A Pew Research Centre survey found about a quarter of respondents ­believed “powerful people intentionally planned the coronavirus outbreak”. Belief in a so-called plandemic differed by educational attainment. Americans with a high school diploma or less were most likely to believe in it (48 per cent), while those with a bachelor’s degree were less likely (24 per cent) and doctoral degree holders least likely of all (15 per cent).

    The plandemic belief corresponds to other ideas about the emergence of COVID-19, including that it was engineered for the purpose of instituting a one world government, rolling out 5G technology or creating a vaccine that would harm people. The last idea is especially pernicious. A Gallup poll found that only 35 per cent of Americans would agree to taking a vaccine for COVID-19 if it were available. Among Republican respondents, 47 per cent said they would agree to it compared with 81 per cent of Democrat supporters surveyed. The question of why voting preference is related to a willingness to take a vaccine should be explored further and in an objective manner.

    The media plays a significant role in disseminating accurate ­information about the pandemic, but research suggests it is losing the battle on social media. A Pew report showed people who relied on social media for news were less knowledgeable and less engaged than those who relied on other news platforms. The social media group scored lower on knowledge about politics and the economy, and they were more exposed to COVID-19 conspiracy theories. The research did not demonstrate whether the group was more likely to believe in conspiracies, but their knowledge about the pandemic was relatively poor.

    The politicisation of the virus was inevitable. However, creating a class of covideplorables will do nothing to repair the trust deficit between the political-media class and the masses that existed well before the pandemic took hold.”

  192. Farmer Gez

    South Australia has declared a separate country by creating a hard border with force.

    What exactly is that wet pile of chook shit, ScoMo, doing about this?

  193. Tom

    At what has become the president’s daily election season live briefing, a DNC parrot in the White House press corps just asked Trump what he was going to do about “the thousands of lies you’ve told in the past three and a half years”. Trump just ignored him and moved to the next gotcha question.

    There were no gasps, not even a murmur of disapproval that anyone in the room could be so hostile to any US president. Can you imagine Obama ever getting a question laced with such hatred, disrespect and hostility?

    Unhinged Trump derangement has turned 99% of the White House press corps into head cases allowed to wander the streets without medical intervention.

    No wonder that anyone interested in what’s really going on in US politics has deserted the MSM — including 100% of the Australian media, whose coverage of US politics in the past four years has become 100% unreadable/unwatchable.

  194. Farmer Gez

    132andBush
    #3547146, posted on August 14, 2020 at 8:32 am
    Farmer Gez
    #3547139, posted on August 14, 2020 at 8:28 am

    The Covid Cult now want to put Bendigo in Stage 5.

    Where’s that reported, Gez?

    Came out of the Covid updates by the Vic Covid update two days ago and mentioned again yesterday by some snot nosed deputy dog who’s taken over from the Van Dunno.

  195. Boambee John

    bern

    unaware (the retarded, rusted on, inter generational voter who is indoctrinated at the dinner table).

    That long winded phrase could be summarised in two words: “bin chicken”.

  196. Roger

    South Australia has declared a separate country by creating a hard border with force.

    What exactly is that wet pile of chook shit, ScoMo, doing about this?

    Apart from testing their authority to do so via the HC there’s nothing much he can do. South Australia is – like all Australian states – a sovereign entity. The PM really only has powers of persuasion with state premiers and/or the ability to move public opinion against them. Good luck with that with the present incumbent in the present climate of opinion.

  197. Cassie of Sydney

    “That long winded phrase could be summarised in two words: “bin chicken”.”

    Yep..he is up early throwing his scraps, comparing the Jooooish genocide to the Irish famine and linking to a far-left website that supports the destruction of the only Jooooish state on the planet.

    As said above, normal people get up in the morning and have porridge or eggs for brekkie…the bin chicken feeds on racism. He is a disgrace…but we all know that.

  198. sfw

    Should I sell my Whitehaven Coal shares? Not asking for advice, just some thoughts on it.

  199. Struth

    So now WA government, both Labor and Liberal have voted that basically they cannot be held to account regarding anything they do , ever.
    And it’s Law.
    Horse face has started her concentration camps already.
    Boy, this is going well.

    Dumb morons on television still think the Premiers of this nation “have done the right thing” by closing down their states, imprisoning everyone, because they have the sniffles under control, while they “tut tut” Dan.
    There is such a flaw in logic here as to what we all know is going to happen as soon as they relax the restrictions, that to think they don’t know it too, is pure denialism.
    So what happens when we open up again, or I should say, “if”.
    They know.
    These arseholes are like cats playing with their pray before eating it.
    The opening of borders and therefore the finding of the virus to allow another shutdown is being used and spaced out enough between the states to just get us worn down enough to accept anything.
    Notafan is already there.
    It’s a lovely day in Melbourne, after all.
    The Normalisation.
    I spoke to an enemy of Coles and Woolies (Dans) yesterday.
    He is a targeted enemy of the state.
    He runs a small pub, so it’s small business, PLUS it’s a pub.
    They put their heart and soul and their hard work into this pub during the productive years of their 30’s.
    Seven years to bring it up to the best food, and best atmosphere pub in town, and big supporters of live music.
    I used to play in there a lot, and I also held open mike nights there to help the young talent out, which was a passion of mine.
    His licence cannot be changed on him, and he is allowed to sell take away ofter Coles Worth closes.
    That’s what they are really pushing him to stop.
    There is a cafe across the road, that the cops never go into, but they visit his pub twice a night looking for covid breaches , going through everything.
    He now runs it as a book a table restaurant.
    The new normal.
    That goose taking over from Credlin last night got told straight to his face by Cory, no matter what you think of him, that the biggest financier of the WHO is Bill and Melinda Gates and that he has large stakes in vaccine (big pharma) development and manufacture.
    He side stepped that one quick smart to keep to his party political narrative.
    That blue rimmed glasses freak is a fraud.

  200. stackja

    Sydney Daily Telegraph editorial

    A ‘coalition of conscience’
    There are many ways to describe the people rioting in US cities. Looters. Criminals. Thugs. Anarchists. All apply. But newly-announced Democrat vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris this week used a different description.

    “We are experiencing,” Harris said, “a moral reckoning with racism and systemic injustice that has brought a new coalition of conscience to the streets of our country.”

    A “coalition of conscience”. That will certainly soothe the feelings of those whose businesses and properties have been incinerated and destroyed during months of lawless mayhem.

  201. Boambee John

    Mater

    To be fair, Bob’s Dad did apply to fly as aircrew in Europe, before the bombing of Darwin. He was rejected, through not fault of his own, then applied for ground crew duties. All indications are that he was a good man ‘wanting to do his bit’, and no indication of avoidance.

    This is a separate issue to his indoctrination of Bob, and most certainly separate to Bob’s lying about his fathers service.

    Indeed. He volunteered for aircrew training at a time when the high rate of operational losses was known, let alone the training losses. He then stuck with his original choice of service, and did hard work in an unpleasant environment.

    I suspect that Numbers’ obsession with the date of the Darwin bombing is a means for him to avoid the uncomfortable reality that his father volunteered for service half a world away, at a time of existential threat to Australia. The fudging of the overseas service dates is probably a poor attempt to exaggerate honourable, but relatively humble, service.

  202. stackja

    Sydney Daily Telegraph editorial

    Our greatest Australians
    Today, on the eve of the 75th VJ Day anniversary, we celebrate the lives of Australia’s greatest and bravest generation. The soldiers who are still with us are from a time when many may have struggled to imagine survival into the next day, much less until 2020

    Yet they made it through not only war but deadly diseases, the Great Depression and countless other ordeals.

    Of course, our hero soldiers now face yet one further battle, against the coronavirus. For them, it may be just another foe to be defeated. Given the extraordinary difficulties these Australians have already overcome, The Daily Telegraph backs them to prevail.

    These brave men helped build the strong and resilient nation we now enjoy.

    While we universally respect our forebears, we must also hold deep gratitude for their abilities and accomplishments.

    Furthermore, at this moment in our history we can look to these survivors for inspiration.

    Our elders took on the worst the world could throw at them, and still they won. They are a shining example to us all.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    The Covid Cult now want to put Bendigo in Stage 5.

    Where’s that reported, Gez?

    Came out of the Covid updates by the Vic Covid update two days ago and mentioned again yesterday by some snot nosed deputy dog who’s taken over 

    I didn’t hear that, but when I jumped in the car to do a bit of blockade bustin’ the other day, Dan Xi-Man had “wegional Victowia” on high rotation.
    I immediately thought he was copping “it’s not fair” from Melbourne folks about more relaxed restrictions in the country, so was paving the way to give us all a taste of #4.

  204. Oh come on

    What happened to the massive corruption scandal that broke about the Victorian ALP?

    Magically disappeared.

    Coincidence, surely.

  205. Perfidious Albino

    KD – I reckon the bigger issue than the ADF with hotel quarantine is why VicPol didn’t run it? Were they told to stand down or did they decline? The fact Crisp is a 40 year VicPol veteran probably means he’s their man still. The fact they pushed Lapsley out, for presumably political reasons, who actually had highly relevant experience, is something else that needs sunlight given what has occurred.

  206. Oh come on

    Our elders took on the worst the world could throw at them, and still they won. They are a shining example to us all.

    OK, let’s all jump into a volcanic lava pit in the name of our elders. Has anyone actually asked these elders whether they are in favour of our society committing suicide in their name?

  207. Struth

    Apart from testing their authority to do so via the HC there’s nothing much he can do. South Australia is – like all Australian states – a sovereign entity. The PM really only has powers of persuasion with state premiers and/or the ability to move public opinion against them. Good luck with that with the present incumbent in the present climate of opinion.

    Roger will you stop this bullshit that the States are a sovereign entity.

    Section 109 of the Australian Constitution provides that: ‘when a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid’.

    States are set up under the Australian Constitution and have been since 1901.

    Are you posting from 1855?

  208. woolfe

    I see Tim Souparesaurus was way ahead of his time saying that it was racist to mispronounce someones name.

  209. feelthebern

    Would you like to have a look at my service record so you can trawl through it to find “indications of avoidance”?

    So you can further attempt to dox another Cat?
    Good luck.

    PS, you’re father wasn’t trying to do his bit.
    He volunteered for the air force – like others did – to avoid getting shot.
    Accept that.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    BJ.
    Say it ain’t so.
    Spud senior didn’t volunteer to put Churchill’s Britain ahead of the defence of Curtin’s Australia?
    That would be a devastating revelation.

  211. Struth

    Jennifer Oriel has a good piece (as always) in today’s Oz…

    I see that whole thing as a push to say, if you aren’t getting your News from MSM, you’re a dummy poo bah.
    You may even be a bogan.

    Institutionally educated types get their news from me, and people like me, and you should aspire to be as insulated and arrogant as they are, you dumb plebs.

  212. feelthebern

    Did you hear about old so&so?
    He joined the air force to do his bit.
    I didn’t know he could fly.
    He can’t but he’s got an education you see.
    Why didn’t he try become an officer in the army if he had an education?
    Because he didn’t want to get shot at, dummy !

  213. Maj

    How Trump traded annexation for his Christian base – analysis

    The Evangelicals were instrumental in bringing this peace deal to the table.

    Could the path to US President Donald Trump’s reelection go through Dubai to the heart of his Evangelical base in the American Bible belt?

    One would have thought that the key to winning their support was annexing Judea and Samaria, the biblical heartland of the Land of Israel. But sources in the Evangelical community told The Jerusalem Post that they cared much more about bringing peace in the Middle East than changing the status of barren hilltops.

    Now, Trump is likely to get an electoral bounce from his core constituency with the impending signing of a peace deal between the United Arab Emirates and the State of Israel.

    “Will Evangelicals turn out to vote for Trump in larger numbers if he gives Israel the green light to annex large swaths of Judea and Samaria? I don’t believe so,” Evangelical leader Joel Rosenberg wrote in an op-ed for the Post earlier this year, when it looked like Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would annex around July 1. “Most Evangelicals already believe that Trump is the most pro-Israel president in American history. If he could midwife a peace treaty between Israel and an Arab country, that would certainly energize Evangelicals.”

    Johnnie Moore, who helped organize the Trump campaign’s evangelical advisory board in 2016, told the Post that from his vantage point the White House deserves all the credit for being able to “defy conventional wisdom and unrelentingly pursue peace in the Middle East.”

    Moore used the historic signing to remind that “we are right now living in a time when there are gigantic leaders around the world and those leaders are sometimes controversial.”

    Moreover, Rosenberg told the Post there was a belief by several top Evangelicals that supporting an immediate annexation could have harmed Trump’s reelection campaign. If violence erupted in the form of a third intifada; Jordan or Egypt broke their peace treaties with the Jewish state; or Israel faced harsh international sanctions or was put at risk in another way, then annexation could have appeared to be “just another reckless move” by the president.

    Above all, Rosenberg said that “Evangelicals want Israel to be safer, stronger and more peaceful, not necessarily bigger.”

    “A lot of people think they know what Evangelicals want,” Moore said. “There are all of these conspiracy theories about why Evangelicals support Israel.” But he said that while most Evangelicals believe that Bible prophecy indicates that one day Israel will have all the land that was promised to Abraham in the Bible, what Evangelicals want is what is best for Israel – and their faith dictates that peace is what Israel needs most.

    “Blessed are the peacemakers,” Jesus told the Christians. The Apostle Paul said that, “if possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.”

    Every day, Evangelical Christians around the world pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

    “God has answered our prayer for peace,” Moore told the Post. Now, he said, it is “incomprehensible what can happen, and I think the miracle that has taken place is a miracle of pulling the scales off the eyes of people who are more alike than different and letting them see a common future for their children and the region.”

    He said he foresees other Arab countries following in the UAE’s footsteps such as Bahrain.

    The Evangelicals were instrumental in bringing this peace deal to the table.

    Moore and Rosenberg were part of the first delegation of Evangelical leaders to the United Arab Emirates in October 2018 during which talk about normalization of ties occurred, and they took part in many subsequent meetings throughout the region. As Evangelicals, they said, those meetings always included an additional subtext, sometimes overt and sometimes inferred, because Evangelicals, nearly 800 million of them, are known to be devoted and loyal friends of the State of Israel.

    “Our vibrant, global and influential Christian movement not only represents one of the most important constituencies to the presidents of many countries, including the United States, we are also a type of global firewall against antisemitism, and its latest iteration in anti-Zionism,” Moore said.

    But he said that the Evangelicals’ commitment to peace-making has successfully made them allies with Arab governments combating extremism and served as an effective bridge builder between Arab communities and their Jewish neighbors.

    In 2018, shortly after that first visit, one prominent Evangelical leader spoke at the Post’s annual conference and predicted peace between Israel and the Sunni Gulf states. He said that Netanyahu’s legacy would be making peace.

    “I’m not saying it in theory, I’m talking to these leaders and hearing things that are absolutely astonishing,” the Evangelical leader said from the stage. “I’m hearing things I’ve never heard before.”

    He said those statements after being at those same meetings with Moore and Rosenberg.

    Now, the time for a new peace has finally come – 26 years after the last one, they said, referring to an adage made popular in the Book of Esther: “If you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father’s family will perish. And who knows but that you have come to your royal position for such a time as this?”

    The numerology of God’s name, Yaweh, is 26.

    If this move is seen by Evangelicals as solidifying Trump’s role in history, like that of Esther in the Bible, his base could be ready and galvanized for the election in November.

  214. Maj

    Trump is the 4D Chess Master!!!!!

  215. Farmer Gez

    a taste of #4.

    Yes Stage 4.

    I pushed the send before I added that Stage 4 would amount to Stage 5 in country areas who lack the close and immediate amenities of Melbourne.
    The Greater Bendigo council takes in a big scope of farm country. I don’t know how the poor buggers in Mt. Mitchell shire cope.

  216. calli

    Thanks for posting the Oriel piece.

    most sceptics are concerned about big government, big debt and the negligible effect of economic shutdowns if the coronavirus is here to stay.

    But “conspiracy theorist” has a nice twang to it, a frisson of distain and dismissal. We need not listen to them for they are stupid.

    On the Trump presser and the idiot MSM, Crowder’s guys put the whole thing perfectly. I’ll paraphrase:

    – we still don’t know a whole lot about this virus and what effects it will have and how to treat it

    – Mr. President, why haven’t you fixed this virus?

    They need to be put out of their misery, poor suffering animals that they are.

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