Uh-huh

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  1. JohnL

    Are the foreign ministers of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK and the US express concern over ‘the erosion of rights in Australia?’
    If not why not?!?!?!

  2. Alex

    These people are so blind they cannot see how stupid they look. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king but where is he?

  3. It’s a lucky thing for Australia that we don’t have any rights, otherwise we might be similarly criticised.

  4. Roberto

    I’m sure that the CCP leaders are feeling very chastened.

  5. NoFixedAddress

    Lucky the Australian “response” didn’t come from The Victorian Public Service Government’s(tm) leader, Premier Dan of The Dead.

  6. Dinky

    Whatever my misgivings about the restrictions Australian governments have imposed we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over but for Hong Kong that ain’t the case. It’ll only get worse.

  7. Mark M

    Wait. What?

    Pelosi: China would prefer Biden.

    “She added that China is believed to prefer presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to win in November, an election interference threat she called “not equivalent.””

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pelosi-election-threats-from-russia-and-china-not-equivalent-as-kremlin-is-actively-24-7-interfering

    Election ad: Biden stands up for China
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=Nv7yVCwv6NU&feature=emb_logo

  8. Slim Cognito

    we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over

    I wish I shared your optimism. Walking back the current situation is not going to be easy.

  9. mundi

    I don’t know why this isn’t in media more: many business have been ordered into a 33% reduction in workplace numbers, not just the meat packing plant.

    We just got ordered to reduce staff on site by 33%, plus 10% decrease in *people* per day attending attending site, which essential means we now have a customer limit! And we were rather matter of factly told to expect it to increase by another 10% “soon”.

    Vic has gone truely insane.

  10. C.L.

    Whatever my misgivings about the restrictions Australian governments have imposed we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over …

    Nah. We won’t. But, for argument’s sake, what were some of those pre-pandemic conditions anyway? Australian governments strong-arming journalists and cartoonists into court and imprisoning politically troublesome religious leaders? Inter alia.

  11. Terry

    ‘we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over’

    There is no evidence for that presumption at all.

    In any case ‘once this is over’, that will begin.

    If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.

    It’s the new normal. There ain’t no way we will be politely talking our way out of this one.

    You are going to need to forcefully retrieve power from those that stole it (and they really are not inclined to give it up – “they likes very much”) – or not.

    The smart money seems to be on “or not” at this stage. Just not enough of us concerned with the Fascist power-grab that took place before our very eyes. Indeed most, as far as I can tell, cannot even see it yet.

  12. …many business have been ordered into a 33% reduction in workplace numbers, not just the meat packing plant.

    I was just reading about it. The effect will not be just 33% reduction of staff in some businesses, but the total closure of those business as they can’t run on that 33% reduction. And then there is the flow-n effect on businesses that rely on supply etc merely to keep their businesses open. If you can’t get supplies essential to your business, you don’t have a business. Chairman Dan and his cabal just don’t have a clue.

  13. Indeed most, as far as I can tell, cannot even see it yet.

    I’m quite sure that is what happened in pre-war Germany. It seemed like something reasonable and people didn’t react against it until it was too late. We see all these Hollywood depictions of jack-booted Nazis going about destroying the country to fit their own needs, but that is probably not how it started.

    We see empty streets in Melbourne, black clad police escorted by soldiers, check points everywhere, permits issued to travel and work, borders closed etc. I’ll bet that this is how it was in Germany and you’d have the same sort of people saying it’s all good; and like I saw yesterday on the news, some woman wanting people without a mask sent to another planet.

  14. Iampeter

    @CL – yea it’s the exact point I’m making re Trump supporters and anti-immigrationists suddenly getting all concerned about the government regulating people going about their business. This is what you guys wanted.
    It’s funny too, because one of the most common anti-immigration rationalizations is to ask “what about the spread of disease?” To which I’d often respond by pointing out that such a rationalization for government intervention could apply to ALL aspects of human life, not just at the border crossing.

    And here we are…

    Whatever my misgivings about the restrictions Australian governments have imposed we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over …

    I wouldn’t be so sure. Given the irrational nature of the lockdowns in the first place, there’s no criteria that can be met for them to be removed. This could drag on in one form or another forever.
    But the bigger issue being missed is the economic damage this has caused. There’s no escaping that shock wave coming our way, even if all lockdowns were lifted immediately.

  15. Lizzi55

    Only way to turn this around is to wake up your fellow citizens, using all communication means available. Every little bit counts, however small, you must speak up everytime you talk to your fellow citizens, silence is a losing strategy! Otherwise normality will never return.

  16. Terry

    ‘If you can’t get supplies essential to your business, you don’t have a business.’
    Don’t worry. I am sure there will be a plethora of Cartel-backed “enterprises” ready to fill the void with the full backing of cronyist protection, once all of those evil free-market small businesses have been suitably expunged from the beautiful socialist utopia.

  17. Terry

    bemused
    #3543586, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:54 am
    +1 | 100% my thoughts.

  18. Dinky

    Terry
    #3543564, posted on August 11, 2020 at 9:42 am

    ‘we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over’

    There is no evidence for that presumption at all.

    During both WW1 The War Precautions Act gave the Australian Government the power to limit people’s freedoms by:
    • introducing censorship
    • controlling newspapers
    • penalising those who spread information that was damaging to the Australian war effort
    • placing restrictions on ‘alien’ subjects

    Similar restrictions occurred during WW2.

    During the 1918-19 Spanish Flu pandemic governments placed “massive restrictions on public assembly”, and music halls, schools and Sydney University were closed, and pubs were open for just minutes at a time. Victory parades were also cancelled and people were obliged to wear face masks on public transport or face heavy fines or 7 days jail.

    We came out the other side of those crises with our rights restored.

    Iampeter, I agree that the economy is the bigger issue & that there’s a long hard road ahead.

  19. Megan

    Matthew 7:3 you utter donkeys.

  20. Megan

    Those events, Dinky, happened 95, 90 and 70 years ago to a country that bears pretty much no resemblance to today. Not in population number or diversity, not in geographical distance internally and externally, not in the quality or number of politicians, not in quality of leadership. That Australia might as well be as far away as Mars.

    And incidentally, through those far more serious situations, no curfew or lockdown was ever imposed, let alone supported militarily.

    The economic and social damage is getting bigger and the ripples from that will eventually emerge into a tsunami of issues. Trust has been destroyed at the micro and macro levels and will not reappear simply because ‘this’ is over. Trust is the glue that holds us together and will require much work over a very long time frame to restore.

  21. HGS

    ‘We came out the other side of those crises with our rights restored.’

    Well, yes, but not completely. Each action made it easier to repeat, and much remained, and government powers kept growing and centralising.

    And 75/100 years ago there was a very different make up of attitudes and beliefs. Much dies with each generation.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Foreign ministers are very perceptive people, and remarkably quick on the uptake.
    Maybe they’ll work out that water is wet next.

  23. Dinky

    Megan & HGS, I’ve at least given historical references to support my assertion.

    With all due respect all you’ve responded with is pure conjecture.

  24. Hay Stockard

    Our Foreign Minister? Not a pretty site at all.

  25. cuckoo

    we will return to pre-pandemic conditions once this is over

    Wish I could be so sure. It’s a certainty that in flu season 2021, someone in the AMA will be calling for compulsory mask wearing to resume. We’ll be encouraged to think of it as just like putting your clocks forward for half the year.

  26. Astatine Jones

    Still a big difference between life in prison for ‘subversive acts’ against the state (or concentration camp because of your ethnicity or religion or sexuality or politics) versus a fine for refusing to wear a mask!

    Regardless of opinion about the enforcement of preventative measures to limit the spread of a highly contagious virus, the economic response to lockdown, government (mis)handling, the use/non-use of medications like hydroxychloroquine…the Covid-19 pandemic is a real public health crisis that’s evolving and won’t go away in a hurry. But claiming that every measure (and misstep) attempting to manage the pandemic and minimise the damage to society are just steps along the road to fascism is simply unhelpful, pessimistic and even paranoid behaviour.

  27. Iampeter

    Matthew 7:3 you utter donkeys.

    Woah. Megan’s getting super political again.

  28. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #3543631, posted on August 11, 2020 at 10:40 am

    Still unable to understand that just because one restriction may be justified, not all restrictions are necessarily justified.

    People illegally entering a country aren’t “going about their business”. They have no “business” in that country to be “going about”, any more than a trespasser on someone else’s freehold land has “business” being there.
    Border controls are exactly the same as entry restrictions imposed by a private club where the members jointly own the freehold through a body corporate. Radical title jointly owned by citizens through a body politic is the same thing and can justifiably be enforced the same way. Objecting to the latter because “but, but, but GOVERNMENT!!!” is just incompetent thinking by label.

  29. Lee

    Tim if you or I moved into – or even entered – Iampeter’s house (or basement?) without his permission, you can bet dollars to donuts he’d be calling the police, no ifs, buts, or maybes. Suddenly his utterly dogmatic, absolute principles would be defenestrated.
    But, according to him, governments should not be allowed the same right!
    But that is one of the reasons we have governments; to protect borders and keep people out who we didn’t invite or allow in. Obviously, individuals can’t do the job.

  30. Iampeter

    Still unable to understand that just because one restriction may be justified, not all restrictions are necessarily justified.

    Yep, but you have the exact same justifications for both, you’re just not hearing yourself as always.

    People illegally entering a country aren’t “going about their business”.

    And neither are people illegally not following the COVID related restrictions.
    It’s the exact same argument.
    Like I said, you’re not hearing yourself.

    Border controls are exactly the same as entry restrictions imposed by a private club where the members jointly own the freehold through a body corporate.

    Yes we’ve been over this politically illiterate attempt at describing what a government should be doing and as was explained to you in the original thread, many moons ago, what clubs do is not analogous, nor the basis, for what a state should do.

    You are a politically illiterate leftist.

  31. Tim Neilson

    but you have the exact same justifications for both

    No I don’t. You’re incapable of reading.

    And neither are people illegally not following the COVID related restrictions.

    Poor old intellectual failure. Arguing that the government ought to lift some of the COVID 19 restrictions is not the same as saying that individuals ought to be at liberty to decide what rules they obey and what they don’t.

    Yes we’ve been over this politically illiterate attempt at describing what a government should be doing and as was explained to you in the original thread, many moons ago, what clubs do is not analogous, nor the basis, for what a state should do.

    It wasn’t “explained”, it was just asserted with zero facts and logic in support. It’s just “but, but, but GOVERNMENT!!!”, which is just incompetent thinking by label.

  32. Megan

    There was never a curfew in any single one of those three events, Dinky. Take that historical fact and come up with your own ahistorical assertion of your own. Those historical facts you’ve put up there – two out of the three, two world wars, are not viruses. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Beginners error.

  33. Slimcognito:

    I wish I shared your optimism. Walking back the current situation is not going to be easy.

    Go back in time to the year 2000.
    Now get on a plane and see what rights you’ve lost when you get off the plane in 2020.
    It’s for our own good, you know, and if it saves one life…

  34. Bemused:

    Chairman Dan and his cabal just don’t have a clue.

    Bemused, they know exactly what they are doing – the small businessman (Kulak) is the class enemy and must be destroyed to maintain the purity of the revolution.
    Wait until you see what Uncle Dan has got in mind for you for 2021.

  35. Iampeter

    Arguing that the government ought to lift some of the COVID 19 restrictions is not the same as saying that individuals ought to be at liberty to decide what rules they obey and what they don’t.

    No one said it was. I’d say it’s YOU who can’t read, but the reality is that you just don’t understand what you’re reading so as usual don’t address it in your response.

    It wasn’t “explained”, it was just asserted with zero facts and logic in support.

    What part of “the actions of private clubs is not analogous, nor the basis for government action” is illogical or requires further support?

    You don’t know anything about politics, do you?

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