If the Liberal Party is non essential so then should their parliamentary pay-cheque!

I want to pick up on a point that Currency Lad made on an earlier post, namely that we should expect and indeed demand that politicians and political parties hold each other to account over the handling of the COVID pandemic. Democracy and good governance depend on it.

Unbelievably this is apparently a point of contention within the Liberal Party. There is a considerable voice within the Liberal Party of Victoria (i.e. Liberal Party of Victoria President, Robert Clarke) and apparently shared across jurisdictions (i.e. former NSW Premier Mike Baird) that the role of the Opposition is not to oppose the woeful failures of the Andrews Government but instead to offer solidarity like a good union member.

Daniel Andrews has already designated politicians (and hence the parliament) as a non-essential service. Liberal politicians are hence locked up at home and unable to hold the Andrews Government to account in the normal parliamentary way. To say that parliamentary democracy is a non-essential service is beyond a disgrace. It is the gateway to totalitarianism which is exactly what Victorians are now facing.

That the Liberal Party pathetically capitulates ands defers to Andrews thereby rendering itself non-essential is an even bigger disgrace. One of the more depressing aspects about the dire situation Victoria finds itself in is the total absence of any effective opposition from the Liberal and National Parties, with the notable exception of Tim Smith.

This absence of scrutiny / pressure is what emboldens Andrews to lurch from one disaster to another with unbridled arrogance and impunity. Just because Andrews scuppered parliament doesn’t mean Liberal and National parliamentarians should meekly settle into a fully funded house arrest and give up holding a blow torch to Andrews and his incompetent and corrupt cronies. It beggars belief that he still enjoys 61% approval for his handling of the pandemic. That figure is a total indictment on the lack of Liberal opposition. Last I checked we are not a complete despotic state (not quite anyway). Opposition is still allowed. But where is it?

The Opposition Leader, Michael O’Brien may as well be invisible and the two most senior Victorian Liberals with name recognition, being Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt and Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg are similarly missing in action. Worse than that, they actually provide cover for Daniel Andrews with the “we must all come together” meme that got us into this mess in the first place.

If Andrew’s hadn’t taken a swipe (deservedly) at Hunt regarding the Commonwealth’s inept handling of Aged Care, Hunt would have continued his National Cabinet solidarity “all in this together” protection racket for the worst government in Australian history, presiding over the single worst policy failure in Australian history. Even when Hunt finally through off the gloves the other week his retaliation had the ferocity of being hit with a wet lettuce. He made the mincing poodle look like a rabid doberman which is no mean feat.

As for Frydenberg it was though the Treasurer had to wait for former judge Jennifer Coate to give him the all clear last Wednesday to start asking questions or pointing the finger at Dan Andrews. God forbid Josh upset a former senior bureaucrat who whose entire legal career has been advanced by Labor nominations. Is it any wonder the Treasury officials love him. Having said that Andrews must answer some tough questions Frydenberg subsequently failed to ask any! He “didn’t want to get into a Commonwealth and State “slanging match“. Unbelievable.

Then of course there is SloMo who has bowed his head, doffed his cap and tugged his forelock to Dan Andrews from woe to go during this pandemic. SloMo has not been able to influence a thing of substance through the National Cabinet. He failed to achieve uniformity on quarantine, school closures, border closures, business closures or social restrictions. The only consensus achieved through the National Cabinet was that SloMo could present first on TV in exchange for Commonwealth funding every insanity offered up by the states. One suspects SloMo is loathe to criticise Andrews because he knows he should never have abdicated responsibility for quarantine in the first place. Had SloMo done his job Andrews would never have been in a position to royally screw up. Had SloMo shown any leadership in the National Cabinet, Andrews dodgy private security model would have been slapped down from inception.

If Josh Frydenberg or Greg Hunt or Michael O’Brien or Scott Morrison and all the other Liberal seat warmers (with the notable exception of Tim Smith) are unwilling or unable to hold the Andrews Government to account they should resign. Its bad enough that the people of Victoria have had parliamentary democracy classified as non-essential, it is insult to injury that the Liberal Party have decided to classify themselves as non-essential and have vacated the political field of battle. If you are not prepared to do the job you are paid to do, and which our democracy depends on you doing it, you need to go. And while your at it refund your equally non-essential pay-cheque!

 

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48 Responses to If the Liberal Party is non essential so then should their parliamentary pay-cheque!

  1. woolfe

    They are all, including One Nation, lost in Action.

  2. Make Victoria Great Again

    The fundamental issue here is that every single free-to-air television station in Melbourne supports Labor, except the ABC and SBS who campaign for the Greens. Surveys show that most Victorians are getting their Covid news from the TV. Andrews’ stormtroopers ensure that any journalist, print, radio or TV, who dares criticise will be punished. So all reporting outside News Corp is completely unbalanced, often by omission. So Michael O’Brien and the others have serious difficulties getting publicity for anything they say, apart from on the sewers of social media. And even there, the stormtroopers are out in force.

  3. Robbo

    There now, you must feel a lot better after having a good rant because you’re so angry that you just want to hit someone and anyone will do.

  4. Iampeter

    Opposition is still allowed. But where is it?

    It’s nowhere. No one in the mainstream opposes the lockdowns.
    The only opposition is either from sovereign-citizen type of crackpots, or confused conservatives whose positions don’t make any sense, given their stances on other issues, like trade and immigration.

    Its bad enough that the people of Victoria have had parliamentary democracy classified as non-essential, it is insult to injury that the Liberal Party have decided to classify themselves as non-essential

    But the whole act of sitting parliament IS non-essential.
    Essentials are things like actual political theory and coherent positions.
    No one has that, so what does it matter if they go through the physical motions of pretending to run parliament when they really have no idea what to do anyway?

  5. JC

    Plodes

    Why bother having elections. They don’t mean much anyway.

  6. Ally

    Our local Liberals are useless. I sent them emails trying to get them to fire up, but no. Excuse: we cantz do anyfing mutch coz we iz stuk at home . Truly useless people. I checked their twitter accounts to see what they’re up to… crickets, besides a twitter post on saving the brumbies! Look, I love horses but FFS, really.

  7. davefromweewaa

    They need to put forward their own plans for getting us out of it.
    One promise they could make is to restore confidence in the police and put them back in blue uniforms!
    davefromweewaa

  8. Petros

    But that union woman, Sally McManus, is an essential worker? Liberals being pathetic again. Ho hum. Why expect anything else. No mongrel in them.

  9. Rex Anger

    The only opposition is either from sovereign-citizen type of crackpots, or confused conservatives whose positions don’t make any sense, given their stances on other issues, like trade and immigration.

    Sorry IamTheSovietTacticOfDemoralisationMadeManifest, but that makes about as much sense as beheading yourself to deal with a headache. Please stick to the topic at hand, rather than trying to wank your Randspanner all over this thread. It’s boring and repetitive.

    If you don’t like taxes, hold a revolution, win it, resc9nd the lot and refuse to levy any more.

    If you have a problem with sovereign nations regulating their affairs as they see fit, DON’T LIVE IN ONE! It’s not hard, Petey.

    And once you understand that Rights are only Rights so long as the people with the guns (and the taxation agencies) agree they are Rights and permit them to be exercised as Rights, life (and your actual ideology) will simplify itself considerably.

    Essentials are things like actual political theory and coherent positions.
    No one has that

    Congratulations on making this admission, Petey! It’s a very important step on your road back to sanity (or at least not being the other prong of the ongoing political effort to demoralise the rest of us into accepting Socialist tyranny).

    We Cats will bring you back to reality yet…

  10. Tim Neilson

    Essentials are things like actual political theory and coherent positions.

    If those things are “essential” then presumably they’ve been present in the way that western societies have been run over recent centuries, e.g. here and in the UK. After all, if an “essential” had been missing for so long society would have collapsed.

    So, for example, Macaulay style Whig triumphalism (with its notion of Parliamentary supremacy) must be a really good “political theory”, because it was the dominant political mindset in the British Empire from the early eighteenth century to at least the mid twentieth century.

  11. the sting

    To woolfe … they cannot be lost in action if they haven’t been in action .

  12. Boambee John

    1ampmeter is an excellent demonstration of EG Whitlam’s aphorism that “Only the impotent are pure”.

    1ampmeter’s political philosophy is as pure as the driven snow, but of no practical value.

  13. Professor Fred Lenin

    We need a new right of centre psty thst is Populist and Nationalist thatwill end career politics and other nationa interfering in Australian Affairs like the untidy nayshuns ,soros and other fascists . Politics is full of failed lawtradespersons whi can never get a job in a Real Law Firm ,slugs and grubs and morrie blachballs is their stretch ,they employ the bottom faiures on the class list
    Lets get some Real People in politics ,people who know the price of a pie or pastie.

  14. gowest

    Amen Justinian

    – I think we would feel happier if all funerals could be attended by all those who wanted to grieve.. broadcast live on at least one ABC channel as directed by the PM. – now that’s a real Scomo decision…

  15. Lee

    IamALeftistShillDerailingTopicsUsingLogicalFallaciesAndBullshitCircularArgumentsAndOnlyIHaveARightToAnOpinionNo-oneElseBecauseIAmTheOnlyOneWhoUnderstandPoliticsAndIAmSoGreat is at it again!

  16. gowest

    There is ONLY one opposition — SKY news. + OUTSIDERS. All the main stream media and government minions are rowing away from the pandemic singing “you don’t get me, I’m part of the union” – I’m all right, Jack Ive already got my pay rise.

  17. Iampeter

    Why bother having elections. They don’t mean much anyway.

    More like, why bother bothering about why we bother to have elections if you’ve never bothered to learn the first thing about the subject of politics anyway?

    Like, why would someone who doesn’t know what “individual rights” are, or what the governments proper role is with respect to rights and why, care about whether or not we have elections?

    Why would such a person be involved in conversations about this stuff in the first place?

  18. Iampeter

    We need a new right of centre psty thst is Populist and Nationalist

    How would a “populist and nationalist” party be “right of centre?”

  19. stackja

    Why are there any MPs or bureaucrats still on full pay?
    Since “we’re all in this together”.

  20. Rex Anger

    How would a “populist and nationalist” party be “right of centre?”

    Petey, this is a safe place. You can come out and properly embrace the deeply repressed Marxism hidden in the centre of your being.

    Unlike actual leftists, who will use, abuse, exploit and discard you with nary a backward glance, we will only roll our eyes as we trounce your inanities…

    TL;DR- Only repressed Communists see everyone else round them as repressed Communists, IamSuspiciousMyFreudianSlipIsShowingAndIamHopefulNobodyNotices…

  21. Rex Anger

    Like, why would someone who doesn’t know what “individual rights” are, or what the governments proper role is with respect to rights and why, care about whether or not we have elections?

    Exactly, Petey. Why would you?

    Your schtick about ‘rights’ is, after all, only acted out because your leftwit paymasters require it of you…

  22. Lee

    How would a “populist and nationalist” party be “right of centre?”

    It was a nationalist government under Chiang Kai-shek which fought the Chinese communists after the end of WWII, you historical and fact-free illiterate.
    Yet nationalists are “left wing” to you!

  23. John A

    from woe to go

    Err, “From ‘go’ to ‘whoa!’ “, maybe?

    Otherwise, I am with you, JG (the better JG, that is).

  24. C.L.

    Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt and Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg are similarly missing in action

    When have they ever been IN action?

  25. Squirrel

    There may be a very long fuse on this one, but I think things might start to get interesting over the claims and counter-claims about what ADF support was offered and when it was offered to Victoriastan.

    Earlier today, Andrews came close to saying that the Defence Minister had lied on this subject – I doubt whether that will go unanswered.

  26. Mustapha Bunn

    Iampeter …. as useful as a Lighthouse in the desert.

  27. Mustapha Bunn

    ….. as are the majority of Australian politicians at the moment

  28. I think I touched a Michael O’Brien nerve. I sent a message to him via his website, essentially accusing him him of being invisible when Andrews has trashed democracy, freedoms, created economic catastrophe and can’t manage one damn thing or another, blames everyone else and lies to Parliament. I finished it with this little verse:

    Last night I saw upon the stair
    A little man who wasn’t there
    He wasn’t there again today
    Oh, how I wish he’d go away…

    Anyway, within the hour I had received a personal reply from him saying he had been interviewed by Neil Mitchell and Virginia Trioli. He even gave me the link to the Trioli interview. That put me in my place. Well done Michael. I take it all back.

  29. candy

    In fact, the only one who appears to be working every day is actually Premier Andrews and he does look weary and a bit ragged. Despite everything, I think he truly tried to avoid the deaths and feels it badly.

    At least he is working. None of the others are; they are simply doing nothing picking up full pay at home with the family hoping it all lasts until Christmas and beyond. It’s a beaut life for them. They are nearly all doing no work at all.

  30. Old Lefty

    Mind you, if the Stalinist pervert thuggocracy in Spring Street identifies you as a serious ideological threat, you can end up in solitary for six years on trumped up abuse charges. Even if your friends can pass the hat around and hire Walker SC to get you out, it’s a still a pretty strong deterrent.

  31. Robber Baron

    My mate criticised Paddy O’Brien on twatter and got blocked. My mate is a liberal party member. O’Brien is an idiot.

  32. Perfidious Albino

    Apart from anything else, the Vic Libs need to come out and state that they intend to put a broom through the executive ranks of VicPol as soon as they are re-elected. Plenty of justification – make the other side defend the indefensible.

  33. Perfidious Albino

    They also need to start talking up a’ Vote of no confidence’ in Andrews and his Government. It doesn’t matter that parliament (lower house) isn’t sitting – draw attention to that, start making the case in the media, draw out the otherwise to defend the indefensible – that’s what will get the community talking.

  34. Iampeter

    It was a nationalist government under Chiang Kai-shek which fought the Chinese communists after the end of WWII, you historical and fact-free illiterate.
    Yet nationalists are “left wing” to you!

    Facepalm. You really don’t know what anything means.
    Not that there was any doubt in your case but there’s no recovering from this cringe inducing and utterly clueless post.

  35. Lee

    Facepalm. You really don’t know what anything means.
    Not that there was any doubt in your case but there’s no recovering from this cringe inducing and utterly clueless post.

    Pot. Kettle. Black.
    Stop projecting.

  36. Iampeter

    Pot. Kettle. Black.
    Stop projecting.

    LOL! Which is it? Those two statements don’t mean the same thing. The first one would insult you as much as it would me if it was correct. This kind of unprecedented stupid, that would be laughed off any other website, is why the Cat is so entertaining.
    But let me lay it out for you: whether someone is right wing is not determined by whether they are fighting communists. Obviously there’s a bit more too it than that, LOL.
    To determine right wing and left wing requires knowledge of political theory, not just saying political sounding words you don’t understand.
    Once you’ve learnt some of the theory, you’ll learn that nationalism, like communism are collectivist political ideologies and this makes them both left wing.
    To be right wing is to support rights-protecting government, which is based on an individualist political ideology.

    In short, your knowledge of this topic is as entry-level as it comes. Like most conservatives and their allies, you are advocating leftism without realizing it because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
    Now this wouldn’t necessarily be a problem, except you’ve taken the most crazy, rude and pretentious tone possible and so have made a complete fool of yourself from which there is no recovery.

  37. Diogenes

    Earlier today, Andrews came close to saying that the Defence Minister had lied on this subject – I doubt whether that will go unanswered.

    I think the problem is that Defence force personnel wear cams, and are therefore rendered invisible.

    Wasn’t it during the Great Fire of ’20, the Dannograd Emergency Services Minister in a presser saying she did know what defence could bring to the table, all the while a half colonel standing clearly (well to me -because I am an ex soldier & I can see camouflage) in shot behind her

  38. Lee

    Projecting again.
    You are so far up yourself it is not funny.

  39. Alex

    Hear bloody hear and here bloody here for there in Kim Jo Dan’s Victoriastan. Melbournites like to pretend they are tough but have become a bunch of mammbies. Get off you collective arses and organise a protest or sink further into the mire.

  40. Iampeter

    Projecting again.
    You are so far up yourself it is not funny.

    Projecting what? At no point has anything you said made ANY sense. Not even your attempts to insult.

  41. Rex Anger

    To determine right wing and left wing requires knowledge of political theory, not just saying political sounding words you don’t understand.

    So why do you keep doing it, IamPretendingIKnowMoreThanYouCosIThinkItIsIntimidatingSoYouMustToo?

    Once you’ve learnt some of the theory, you’ll learn that nationalism, like communism are collectivist political ideologies and this makes them both left wing.

    We have done this umpteen times before, IamAgainstAnythingThatMightStandInTheWayOfMyDesiredSocialistUtopia. Nationalism, a political belief based on shared love of history, customs, culture and the desire to preserve and uphold the same, has nothing to do with leftism of any stripe. Which is interedted only in the acqusition and exercise ofntotal, unaccountable power.

    Nationalist governments may seek to unite and direct their people in a single direction and trample on their freedoms to do so, but that merely makes them tyrannical. Not leftist.
    Tyranny is tyranny, regardless of ‘wing.’ But, given your obsession with calling everyone who disagrees with you repressed leftists, one can only assume you actually believe in leftist tyranny, and want everyone to experience it.

    To be right wing is to support rights-protecting government, which is based on an individualist political ideology.

    Perhaps so, IamPlayingAtIdeologicalGateKeeper. But given your active defence by omission of actual leftwing players and their collectivist activities and ideology, we know you do not actually believe any of this. Or if you do, you seek to bring it down by demoralising us out of it.

    Now this wouldn’t necessarily be a problem, except you’ve taken the most crazy, rude and pretentious tone possible and so have made a complete fool of yourself from which there is no recovery.

    This Petey Projection is brought to you by IamEasilyEnragedWhenLesserMortalsCallMeOutOnMyBullshit: [To the Tune of.the Soviet National Athem]- REEEEE! REEE REEEEE REE REE REEEE REE REEE REEE REEE REE REE REEE! REE REEE REE REE REEE REE REEE REEE REE REE REE REEEEEEEEEEEEE! (Etc.)

  42. Lee

    I used to wonder why Randians have such a terrible reputation (for pure selfishness among other things), but then I saw the garbage you spout here.
    No wonder you are universally regarded as a joke by the sane people here.

  43. Iampeter

    I used to wonder why Randians have such a terrible reputation (for pure selfishness among other things), but then I saw the garbage you spout here.

    LOL! Says the guy that doesn’t understand that nationalism and communism are on the same side of politics and needs the most basic concepts explained to him, to which he responds with the accusation of projection, which doesn’t even make any sense. That’s after accusing me of being a pot calling the kettle black, which ALSO doesn’t make any sense and insults himself.

    You’re not really in a position to accuse anyone else of spouting garbage. But I guess if you had any self awareness you wouldn’t be here doubling down on total beclownment.

  44. Rex Anger

    LOL! Says the guy that doesn’t understand that nationalism and communism are on the same side of politics and needs the most basic concepts explained to him

    I did that before for you, IamNotSureWhatLeftandRightActuallyAre, and you ignored it to scream at Lee.

    to which he responds with the accusation of projection, which doesn’t even make any sense.

    And you’re still at it.

    You’re not really in a position to accuse anyone else of spouting garbage.

    Which is why you need to go away and work on your rhetorical technique, IamCompletelyConfusedWhyMyTacticsAreNotWorking. Or go away, sulk for a bit and then come try this same tired schtick later. Take your pick…

    But I guess if you had any self awareness you wouldn’t be here doubling down on total beclownment.

    I’d tell you to give it up Petey, but it’s too amusing watching you do exactly that…

  45. Lee

    LOL! Says the guy that doesn’t understand that nationalism and communism are on the same side of politics

    They can be on both sides of politics, which anybody who isn’t a complete ignoramus of the subject knows.

    which ALSO doesn’t make any sense and insults himself.

    Speak for yourself, dim bulb. You insult and humiliate yourself every time you go near a keyboard.

    You’re not really in a position to accuse anyone else of spouting garbage.

    Says the expert at it.

    But I guess if you had any self awareness you wouldn’t be here doubling down on total beclownment

    Irony alert!
    We all laugh at you, but you’re too vain to notice it.

  46. Mike Taylor

    Spot on re Josh and Scomo

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