Victorian lockdown kills record number

 
OF course, the spin is that “new cases” are flattening and that’s the main thing. But suppression-by-flattening is an unsustainable delusion. COVID-19 cannot be defeated without a permanent Nazi state (and the destruction of everybody’s life and livelihood). The cost isn’t worth it now – and wasn’t worth it six months ago. Australia’s entire coronavirus philosophy is founded on dumb panic and sustained by nothing more than a combination of pride and fear of the truth. The fuel for maintaining the delusion is the media’s weird enthusiasm for pandemic totalitarianism and the medical establishment’s near autistic hubris. Here is Brett Sutton speaking yesterday – as though Australia and the humans living here are merely a nerd’s science experiment:

Dr Sutton said the restrictions in place have lead to a huge decrease in the amount of flu in Australia from April to August.

“For April-August in Australia, [we have had] 300 times less flu transmission – it has never happened anywhere in the world.

“At the beginning of the year we are getting northern hemisphere cases, we still have people travelling into Australia. But with the end of international travel, effectively, and all of the measures we have had in place from March onwards… That has shown you can stop a really infectious virus from transmitting in the community. So these measures we have in place and all of the awareness raising we have done.

“… we have saved hundreds of lives from flu this season because of the actions we have taken for coronavirus.”

 
“We” – meaning these well-paid boffins – have also killed hundreds of people by discouraging them away from hospital EDs or blocking them from life-sustaining surgery; or they have simply destroyed their mental health. Probably thousands more will die as a direct consequence of health officialdom’s contempt for society.

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59 Responses to Victorian lockdown kills record number

  1. The BigBlueCat

    Do the numbers include so-called trans-gendered people with COVID-19 who decide to take their own lives?

  2. duncanm

    That has shown you can stop a really infectious virus from transmitting in the community

    yeh – and if we stop people driving cars, we will drastically reduce the road toll.

    Adam Creichton is one of the lone sane voices in the MSM wilderness.

  3. stackja

    What are the statistics on “ordinary flu” cases?

  4. NoFixedAddress

    What they are completely hiding is the decimation of small business, bankruptcies, insolvencies and the complete negation of the concept of private property rights.

  5. stackja

    Duncanm – Alan Jones always doubted the so called case numbers.

  6. John Bayley

    Adam Creichton is one of the lone sane voices in the MSM wilderness.

    Not always, sadly.

    When it comes to attacking self-funded retirees and pushing for more taxes on that demographic, he’s right up there with the loonies at the Australia Institute.

  7. John Bayley

    What they are completely hiding is the decimation of small business, bankruptcies, insolvencies and the complete negation of the concept of private property rights.

    As far as people like the ABC crowd & Sutton are concerned, those are not bugs, but desirable features of their ‘reforms’.

    ‘If you want to make a socialist omelette, you’ll have to break a few bourgeois eggs, comrades.’

  8. caveman

    we have saved hundreds of lives from flu this season because of the actions we have taken for coronavirus

    That’s where they win ,something is happeneing to validate their actions, people are wondering where has the flu gone because all they hear are corona deaths. Distractions.

  9. Some History

    “Dream boat” Brett is doing a wonderful, Public Health™ (i.e., totalitarian) job. Brett even has a farcebook fan club made up of menopausal groupies that drool over his drivel.

    At some point the question must be asked as to how over the last 4 decades Public Health has acquired so much political power. The more power it has, the nastier it is.

  10. duncanm

    stackja
    #3550002, posted on August 17, 2020 at 10:30 am
    What are the statistics on “ordinary flu” cases?

    don’t ask. In the UK, ‘ordinary flu’ killed 28,000 in 2014/15. The average is 17,000/year.

    Here’s an interesting take on the effects of Swine flu. It actually saved lives, as it drove out the H3N2 which usually knocks off the elderly, who were partially immune to Swine flu due to decades-old strains which they’d been exposed to.

  11. Mustapha Bunn

    So Sutton has virtually ended Flu in Victoria this year by incarcerating everyone so as to beat Covid. Sounds as if his intention is to lock up Victorians each Winter from now on.

  12. Iampeter

    But suppression-by-flattening is an unsustainable delusion. COVID-19 cannot be defeated without a permanent Nazi state (and the destruction of everybody’s life and livelihood)

    This is right, but seems strange from someone who has no issue with something like this this.

    In fact, such a statement describing the state randomly messing with people who haven’t violated any rights, normally gets a dismissive response along the lines being an “open border loon,” or something.

    Weird.

  13. Tim Neilson

    In fact, such a statement describing the state randomly messing with people who haven’t violated any rights, normally gets a dismissive response along the lines being an “open border loon,” or something.

    Actually it usually gets a response pointing out that people who jointly own land, including those who jointly own it through an artificial legal entity, are entitled to enforce exclusive possession of that land.
    And that of course other people who encroach on that land without permission are violating the rights of the joint owners.
    And that it’s evidence of mental deficiency to think only in cartoon-like, binary, dogmatic, absolutist generalisations insisting that everything that operates as a restriction of any kind on anyone anyhow must be morally the same.
    But yes, true, sometimes the phrase “open borders loon” is used. Often quite accurately.

  14. Rex Anger

    In fact, such a statement describing the state randomly messing with people who haven’t violated any rights, normally gets a dismissive response along the lines being an “open border loon,” or something.

    Weird.

    It is indeed, Petey, that you continue to shill for a ideal that utterly destroys the concept of a sovereign nation that could actually have the protection of the rights of its citizens in mind, IamSometimesAbleToImagineUpto6ImpossibleThingsBeforeBreakfast. Self-awareness truly is not a life skill ou possess…

    Lockdowns arbitrarily imposed are not equal to sovereign nation-states enforcing control of theor borders, IamAnOpenBordersLoon. After all, I am sure you’d be protesting very hard on the behalf of Chinese and North Koreans if you truly believed about the right to freedom of movement for all people, rather than just latino economic migrants, criminals and their criminal enablers.

    Best you go be the other prong of the cultural push to demoralise normies into acceptig spcialist tyranny elsewhere, Petey. Your rhetorical buzzword-bombs keep failing well short here…

  15. mem

    Two days ago (15 Aug) there were 1164 active cases in aged care services in Victoria. On that day no other aged care service in Australia had active cases. As over 90% of deaths occur in the elderly of course we will see more deaths. they will be drawn primarily from this pool of 1164 active cases. This is ultimately due to Daniel Andrews and his motley crew of woke leftists who made disastrous decisions regarding the people involved in quarantine, the implementation of protocols and left it to last to take preventative measures to stop the virus getting into Victoria’s aged sector. The rest of Victoria should be able to get back to work but Daniel Andrews is now trying to hide his errors in statewide “case” numbers and has not accepted responsibility.

  16. Stanley

    What are the statistics on “ordinary flu” cases?

    Go here…….www.flutracking.net

  17. nb

    ‘The cost isn’t worth it now’
    ‘All for nothing’
    Pull the other one!!! What cost is there to a statist who sees the destruction of the private sector and the full power of the state unleashed to state of emergency level?
    What cost is there to a minion of China in weakening our political system – both democracy and capitalism?
    What cost is there to an ALP hell bent on betraying us to a hostile alien power?
    Cost? Show me the cost for these people. I see none.
    Plus, what currently visible cost is there to a government employee who retains their spending power while all those around them lose theirs?

  18. cuckoo

    we have saved hundreds of lives from flu this season because of the actions we have taken for coronavirus

    Which is why we will see compulsory mask wearing reintroduced during the 2021 flu season. After all, it’s just like wearing a seat belt in your car, or a helmet on your bike, isn’t it? Of if not compulsory, then strongly urged. Unleash the Karen!

  19. Struth

    That’s right, they’re just doubling down on a stupid decision.

    Poor buggers made a blue.

    Oops.

    6 months down the track, people are still calling the government stupid and refusing to believe what is right in front of their nose, and immediately outside their door.

    Government tyranny operating outside of the rule of law, and the Globalist elites openly telling you what they are up to.
    Exactly the same businesses closed world wide.
    Generally the same restrictions around Europe, but those not in the EU, and Sweden is not completely in the EU, and neither is Switzerland, didn’t follow their globalist masters down the covid farce of destruction .
    The more aligned with communism the harder the lock downs and the bigger covid death lies.
    Completely political.
    It isn’t incompetence on the left that is killing people, it’s the left putting regular deaths down as covid deaths, and actually attempting to kill people as well.
    That’s not incompetence, that’s political terrorism, an act of war.

    The important countries to ensure are destroyed are the anglo western nations …that’s paramount and then the others will be forced to follow.

    The world’s future rests in the hands of the domestic politics of the USA, and yet the globalist/Chinese forces have other aces up their sleeves yet.
    More pandemics, war with Thailand etc etc.

    If we, as a nation do not take our country back before the US elections, there will be no doing so after.
    If the world doesn’t help the yanks fight this, as they will through the ballot box , before the election, there will be no doing so after the election.
    These criminals need maximum pressure applied immediately, and not just in Australia.

  20. nb

    ‘virus getting into Victoria’s aged sector’
    One out of the New York playbook. Never-Trump and the ongoing coup by the China party.

  21. mem

    Two days ago (15 Aug) there were 1164 active cases in aged care services in Victoria. On that day no other aged care service in Australia had active cases. As over 90% of deaths occur in the elderly of course we will see more deaths. they will be drawn primarily from this pool of 1164 active cases.

    I should add that these figures squarely lay the blame for the deaths in aged care at Daniel Andrews feet and not at the Federal Government.
    These figures also show that Covid 19 is not virus that kills off healthy people. I would say to Andrews if he has got any sense of proportion left that he needs to support and protect the aged care sector, and vulnerable and let Victorians go free. Also allow the use of drugs that have been shown to be effective to treat these patients. To not follow this path suggests a pathological desire to defend his own mistakes and sacrifice everything else.

  22. Professor Fred Lenin

    The next test for Wuhan Dan the China Man will bethe end for him ,two decisions to be made ,one quickly ,
    What about the Grand Final of the Footy? The narxist health nazis will want it postponed till next year like their extremely urgent crisis climate holocaust disater meeting in Glasgow was .
    The second in November is the Melbourne Cup and Spring Carnival Racing , usually celebrated by many thousands of people. Both these events attract bigger crowds than any BLM marxist fascist riot .
    Of course the narxists will point out that BLM pissfull demonstrations do not spread the Chinese Biowar Virus as both things are marxist in origin .
    These two events are the beginning of the end for narxist control whatever decision they make .
    This couldnt happen to a more deserving pack of mongrel bastards .

  23. Struth

    To not follow this path suggests a pathological desire to defend his own mistakes and sacrifice everything else.

    He hasn’t made any mistakes, it’s all going as planned.
    The CCP are stoked with his performance.
    WA may even be next, …………………and there will be a next, and a next and a next.

  24. mem

    Struth
    #3550128, posted on August 17, 2020 at 12:31 pm
    To not follow this path suggests a pathological desire to defend his own mistakes and sacrifice everything else.

    He hasn’t made any mistakes, it’s all going as planned.
    The CCP are stoked with his performance.
    WA may even be next, …………………and there will be a next, and a next and a next.

    Im not normally much for conspiracies but I am now starting to believe this is so.

  25. Struth

    Not often I disagree with anything you write Fred Lenin.
    But you may be wrong regards the later generations of virtue signallers, they”ll give all of that up without a second thought and shout down any evil nanna killers that make the slightest murmur.
    As long as in doing so, it is seen by others.

  26. Struth

    Im not normally much for conspiracies but I am now starting to believe this is so.

    The guy is actively looking for cases and telling lies about covid deaths.

    The insanity is such that people actually, can you believe this, actually think the case numbers are hurting Dan, politically, and shaming him, yet somehow, and I am gobsmacked at this, if he didn’t test anyone he wouldn’t find anything.
    Therefore he wants cases and as many as possible.
    And if he can scare you with a young person dying of cancer and calling it covid, he jumps at it, why would he tell you that if it did him political damage?

    Please, please, can someone explain that to me?

  27. Struth

    In March the globalists seized control by force.
    It was planned, not over years but maybe for a year.
    It’s desperation on their part as they have been planning the take over and working toward it for 50 years plus.
    Then came Trump and the USA and the west started winning again.
    Impeachments failed, and all the dirty politics failed, this had to be done.

    And you all know it underneath, but you don’t want to admit it, because then what options have we got?

  28. Kneel

    “… messing with people who haven’t violated any rights…”

    Ah – I see you are no longer using “…going about their business” since I pointed out to you that stopping people for violating rights was preventing them “going about their business”. Of course, you slunk off and didn’t respond to that post, but it’s plain to see you saw it.

    “any rights” – wow, big call, given people are saying that it is a “right” to be called by your preferred pronoun. Indeed, in some places, failure to do so is a crime. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

  29. Dr Faustus

    “… we have saved hundreds of lives from flu this season because of the actions we have taken for coronavirus.”

    This statement alone tells you that “the actions we have taken” can never be easily reversed – even with a successful coronavirus vaccine.

    The seasonal flu kills off 1000-3000 Australians per annum (of all ages and underlying states of health). Given the massive precedent set to preserve a similar handful of elderly comorbid lives, the political cost of waving through the previous status quo is unthinkable.

    Brett and his chums have locked and loaded ‘Nobody Must Die’ as the apex National imperative.
    Long way down from there.

  30. nb

    Struth, #3550109 says:
    ‘The more aligned with communism the harder the lock downs and the bigger covid death lies.’
    Exactly right. Is it more than mere correlation? Communism and authoritarianism is the causation.

  31. C.L.

    Is it just me or is it not totally bizarre that one state – the most extremist left-wing state in the country – is now the only one where people are dying of coronavirus (by sizable numbers daily) and the media is not working any culpability angle at all; like, none of them – no broadcasters and no mastheads. And of course the Liberal Party is silent.

  32. C.L.

    The other weird thing about Sutton at the weekend was his demeanor.
    He was cock-a-hoop, laughing, smiling, flirting with journos – absolutely loving it.

    Apart from that, a man who wears a buttoned-to-the-top polo with a jacket ought to be flogged on principle.

    Similar weirdness at the ABC COVID blog where the day’s entries included LOL posts dealing with the contagiousness of farts and aliens.

    These fuckwits are having a whale of a time.

  33. Damon

    Could someone explain to the public health clown that people in their 80s and 90s, especially those in nursing homes, are generally not looking forward to ‘having their lives saved’.

  34. min

    Daniel Andrews has followed the manual on Psychological Tactics to Avoid Accountability to the letter . If he lifts State of Disaster emergency he will have to reinstate Parliament where he cannot mislead therefore a rock and a hard place . Ott do Cats rethink he can get away with misleading Parliament as he misled the parliamentary Inquiry.?

  35. twostix

    So …”flu” deaths went down by the same number as “COV19” deaths went up?

    Right.

  36. j.arimathea

    Re Sutton. Before now I was hardly aware that there was a position called ‘Chief Medical Officer’, let alone having such at both State and Federal levels, and with Assistant CMOs as well (and I think I heard an interview with a Chief Nursing Officer…). What do all these people do between pandemics? Certainly they don’t do anything that has brought them to public notice before this. And what is this ‘Professor’ thing? Does he have any great research or academic achievements? Or is it just an honorific provided for giving a few talks to medical students from time to time. Perhaps he prefers ‘Professor’ because it raises one up above the common herd, where even a humble G.P. is a ‘Doctor’. And Sutton seems quite a young man; I am puzzled that he would work his guts out at school to get into Medicine and then work his guts out again to graduate, to then become a bureaucrat. I don’t know anything but would be interested in suggestions

  37. Damon

    “And what is this ‘Professor’ thing?”
    I can’t find evidence that he holds any academic appointment, let alone a Professorship.

  38. John A

    OF course, the spin is that “new cases” are flattening and that’s the main thing

    Except that the downturn in new cases will be the result of backing off the level of testing.

    And the upturn in recoveries will be among the cases from BEFORE the Stage 4 curfew.

    Diktator Dan: “Heads I win, tails you lose!”

    That is, until you check the timing of the statistics.

  39. Struth

    If Sutton is a Professor, it just about guarantees that outside of his field of study he’ll be a raging incompetent and totally lost.
    But he’ll believe he isn’t, and knows all.
    Apologies, Sinclair.

  40. mem

    Initially he wasn’t referred to as Professor. It seemed to suddenly pop up as a title very recently. I also read somewhere that he was connected to the climate change movement. He is quoted on ABC “”I think there are plenty of challenges to come: antimicrobial resistance, climate change as a threat to health and wellbeing across the globe, the challenges of biodiversity and what it will mean for our clean water and clean air and safe food.”
    Also must read this paper.What it explains is a health bureaucracy focused on climate change outcomes. One of the authors is Brett Sutton.https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/8/acting-climate-change-and-health-victoria

  41. Tel

    https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/australia

    Our death rate of 16/million is amongst the lowest in the world, especially when you consider that the other countries with very low official death rates tend to be third world countries that don’t do much measurement. The main first world countries with lower death rates than Australia are Singapore, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong … almost all of Europe and the Americas have 10x higher death rates.

    However … despite the low death rate … if you track the graph, Australia’s “second wave” is significantly worse than the “first wave” and what this means is we just wasted the last six months (thanks Dan) of our lives for no benefit at all. We are now essentially back to square one where we were in February, with a little less trust, and a lot more PCR tests done. 25 million people multiplied by 6 months of their lives locked at home is 12 million human years wasted, or approx 150,000 lifespans lost … and now we are just starting to face the problems AFTER throwing that away. Far Quits!

  42. Iampeter

    Actually it usually gets a response pointing out that people who jointly own land, including those who jointly own it through an artificial legal entity, are entitled to enforce exclusive possession of that land.
    And that of course other people who encroach on that land without permission are violating the rights of the joint owners.
    And that it’s evidence of mental deficiency to think only in cartoon-like, binary, dogmatic, absolutist generalisations insisting that everything that operates as a restriction of any kind on anyone anyhow must be morally the same.
    But yes, true, sometimes the phrase “open borders loon” is used. Often quite accurately.

    I guess you’re right. Before dismissing the point along the lines of being an open border loon, you first make an attempt at a clumsy analogy, because you don’t have any political arguments.
    You also don’t seem to even know what “immigration” describes anyway and seem to have confused it with breaking and entering, or something.
    In any case, I accept the correction, but this doesn’t address what you were responding to. As usual.

    “… messing with people who haven’t violated any rights…”
    Ah – I see you are no longer using “…going about their business”

    No it’s just the same thing. Obviously.
    If this is the sort of thing that requires clarification then you’re probably not ready to be in the conversation.

    Is it just me or is it not totally bizarre that one state – the most extremist left-wing state in the country – is now the only one where people are dying of coronavirus (by sizable numbers daily) and the media is not working any culpability angle at all; like, none of them – no broadcasters and no mastheads. And of course the Liberal Party is silent.

    Not really. This will be happening everywhere sooner or later because these lockdowns are completely pointless. That’s just a matter of time.
    The lack of media crying for culpability is also pretty consistent. If Andrews was a conservative, he would be doing the exact same thing anyway and the media would be screaming about how they are killing us. Just like at the same time you would be calling him a patriot and urging everyone to put masks on.
    Nothing about this is bizarre.

  43. cuckoo

    I am puzzled that he would work his guts out at school to get into Medicine and then work his guts out again to graduate, to then become a bureaucrat.

    A surgeon I know says that the public health bureaucrats he deals with are mostly failed GPs.

  44. cuckoo

    And of course the Liberal Party is silent.

    Michael O’Brien, if that’s his name, applied to sit in on the hotel quarantine board of inquiry and was slapped down like a presumptuous child by the presiding justice.

  45. mem

    This is an excerpt from the above paper. It may as well have been drafted by the Greens.https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/8/acting-climate-change-and-health-victoria
    “Public health is focused on protecting and promoting the health of the whole population, and preventing illness, injury and disability.2 The climate crisis is a fundamental threat to public health, and Victoria is experiencing significant impacts from events which are becoming more frequent and intense due to climate change. For example:

    the 2009 Victorian heatwave resulted in 374 excess estimated deaths and a 12% increase in public hospital emergency department presentations (compared with the 5‐year average);3
    the 2014 Victorian heatwave resulted in 167 excess estimated deaths, and resulted in a fivefold increase in heat‐related public hospital emergency department presentations compared with what was expected;4 and
    following the 2016–2017 Victorian floods, there was a large increase in mosquitos, which resulted in a 7.5‐fold increase in Ross River virus disease compared with the previous year.5
    Further, the 2019–20 bushfires in Australia, which were preceded by record springtime fire danger weather,6 caused hazardous air quality in population centres, bringing health concerns from smoke exposure into sharp focus, in addition to the tragic direct loss of life. These and other events highlight the central role of public health in driving action on climate change, seeking solutions and supporting the community to adapt to its impacts.

    In August 2019, the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services published a public health and wellbeing plan for 2019–2023.7 The plan recognises that climate and environmental conditions have a profound influence on a population’s health. The growing threats to health from our changing climate, therefore, need to be central to our thinking and actions into the future.

    Climate change is included as one of four key focus areas in the new plan, which aims to achieve resilient and safe communities that are adapting to the public health impacts of climate change, decreased health impacts associated with climate change, and increased action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and realise health co‐benefits.7

    The new plan also continues to recognise the current pressing problems of public health including obesity, harms from tobacco, and our sedentary lifestyle. Continued action in these areas will both improve the health and wellbeing of Victorians and reduce downstream health system costs and environmental impacts. For example, in 2018–19 every occupied bed‐day in a Victorian public hospital generated on average 120 kg of carbon dioxide equivalents and 3.65 kg of waste, and used 630 L of water.8 As a result, investment in initiatives to reduce rates of preventable diseases will also contribute to emissions reductions in the health sector.

    Victoria’s health and human services climate change strategy
    More broadly, the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services is undertaking comprehensive climate change planning and is currently preparing a climate change strategy, which comprises an emissions reduction plan and an adaptation action plan.

    The emissions reduction plan is focused on reducing greenhouse gas emissions from the department, and health and human service funded agencies (including public hospitals, ambulance services, public housing and departmental buildings). It will provide an important contribution to whole‐of‐government emissions reduction targets and will be finalised in its first iteration following the Victorian government’s planned announcement of interim emission reduction targets in 2020.

    The department’s first adaptation action plan outlines the risks to public health, and health and human services, and identifies actions to address those risks. Responding to the urgent need for action, the plan is being implemented in advance of statutory requirements, which come into force in 2021.9

    Together, these plans will form an integrated climate change strategy, recognising that action in both these domains is urgently needed to protect the health and wellbeing of Victorians from the climate crisis.

    The role of the Victorian health sector in climate change mitigation and adaptation
    If the global health sector were a country, it would be the fifth‐largest greenhouse gas emitter on the planet. It is estimated that the sector’s carbon footprint is equivalent to 4.4% of global net emissions.10 Given this, the health sector has an important role to play in showing leadership on this critical health issue. The Environmental Sustainability Strategy 2018–19 to 2022–23 sets the direction for Victorian health services to improve their environmental performance and adapt to climate change.11

    In 2018, the Department of Health and Human Services completed a climate risk assessment of all public health infrastructure to better understand climate risk to the system and specific health assets (unpublished report). The assessment identified that in a scenario of 4° warming at 2100, riverine flooding, coastal inundation, bushfire, extreme wind, soil movement and extreme heat would pose risks to public health infrastructure. The findings are being incorporated into capital and engineering guidelines to ensure the design and delivery of new health infrastructure will be able to operate in our future climate.9

    Since 2015–16, the Greener Government Buildings program has allocated $31 million to invest in energy efficiency and solar power in public health facilities.11 These projects aim to deliver cumulative emissions savings of around 117 000 tonnes to 2026. The department has a range of programs to reduce the carbon intensity and emissions of the health sector. It requires all public hospitals and health services to have an environmental management plan and report publicly on their environmental performance. It also administers energy and waste programs and develops technical resources, such as guidance on vehicle fleet efficiency, to support action at the local level.12

    Conclusion
    Climate change represents an existential threat to human health. The health sector, as a key support to human health and wellbeing, as well as a significant contributor to Australia’s emissions, has a key role to play in addressing this threat.

    Victoria has set a foundation for fundamental change in legislation. The supporting policy and strategy elements, focused on population health and wellbeing, are additional enablers for such change. We have an opportunity to build a more resilient sector while limiting our contribution to the climate crisis. “

  46. Tim Neilson

    I guess you’re right. Before dismissing the point along the lines of being an open border loon, you first make an attempt at a clumsy analogy, because you don’t have any political arguments.

    Poor old intellectual failure. You haven’t been able to provide a shred of fact or logic to support your sneer about a “clumsy analogy”. There’s no “analogy” in my comment, just an incontrovertible reference to a single category of phenomena being joint ownership of land via an artificial legal entity. As I’ve demonstrated many times before, the purported distinction between “government” and private ownership in this context is a descriptive but not definitive labelling exercise and is thus inadequate for clear reasoning (e.g the whole operation of feudal government – see all the evidence laid out in Maitland, as I’ve urged you to read before). Of course it’s open to anyone to make specific criticisms of particular government rules in particular situations. But poor old logic fail just can’t get out of the mire of his own mental dependence on cartoon-like binary dogmatic absolutist generalised labels.
    And poor old logic fail tries to dismiss the refutation by claiming that there’s no “political” argument involved. So what? The validity of an argument doesn’t depend on whether or not it falls within your idiolectic definition of “political”. Poor old loser.

    You also don’t seem to even know what “immigration” describes anyway and seem to have confused it with breaking and entering, or something.

    Poor old mental defective. Frantically trying to evade the fact that “immigration” can be legal or illegal, and failing to understand that violation of landowners’ rights can be by mere trespass without “breaking and entering”. Once again demonstrating his utter inability to understand the limitations of his own reliance on cartoon-like dogmatic absolutist generalised labels.

  47. Rex Anger

    I guess you’re right. Before dismissing the point along the lines of being an open border loon, you first make an attempt at a clumsy analogy, because you don’t have any political arguments.

    Lolwut, IamUtterlySelf-Unaware? What did you do the first moment you skidded face-first into this thread and tried to fart out a clumsy analogy linking actual leftwit lockdown policy with border control by a sovereign nation on behalf of the citizens whose rights it seeks to protect? I think you’re the muppet lacking political arguments here, IamSoMoronicEvenMoronsShunMe…

  48. egg_

    So …”flu” deaths went down by the same number as “COV19” deaths went up?

    Meanwhile, NSW is being dragged down wit VIC financially – likely the borders BS.

    Even so, most States outside the Union State are doing OK, stangely.

  49. egg_

    What’s with Sutton’s stubble – thinks he’s on Miami Vice?

  50. egg_

    What do all these people do between pandemics?

    File Public ‘Elf statistics?

  51. egg_

    along the lines of being an open border loon

    I.am.Ponzi Daddy Warbucks shill still hard at it?
    Parasites would have a lot in common with viruses.

  52. Shelley

    What do all these people do between pandemics?

    File Public ‘Elf statistics?

    First comment I saw when I opened up the Cat just now and made me guffaw biggly.

  53. Squirrel

    The same media which is running a protection racket for Andrews (while pretending to be tough on him) reports, with obvious satisfaction (because it’s obviously all the fault of Boris and Brexit) the “dire” daily infection rates in Britain, without noticing that the per capita rates in Britain are markedly lower than the “flattening” per capita rates in Victoriastan.

  54. mem

    egg_
    #3550303, posted on August 17, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    What do all these people do between pandemics?

    File Public ‘Elf statistics?

    Lots of meetings, models, strategizing, think tanks. Very earnest conversations (no one talks to people anymore in these departments), they only have conversations. Endless conversations in lowered tones. I call them the whispering health mafia. At lunch they organize caterers for meetings from representatives of diverse peoples, because its about inclusion. I have been there and it is terrifying. Most are earnest women that spend their time in the same circle. Their goal is always to change things for the better, to get a new policy up, to gain public money for their policy. They regard the UN as God and aspire to pleasing this God by implementing policies here that reflect the latest UN goal and then dream of presenting at an international conference to gain approval and status among peers. Such departments are not about delivering efficient quality services .

  55. Lizzi55

    The covid hoax is sustained by people choosing to be covid tested…

    There is emphasis on nursing homes because the residents there die quickly, usually within 18 months of arrival, this is normal

  56. Iampeter

    Poor old intellectual failure. You haven’t been able to provide a shred of fact or logic to support your sneer about a “clumsy analogy”. There’s no “analogy” in my comment, just an incontrovertible reference to a single category of phenomena being joint ownership of land via an artificial legal entity.

    OK. So like Rex and Kneel, you are such a babbling fool at this point that there’s really no reason for me to respond anymore.

  57. Rex Anger

    OK. So like Rex and Kneel, you are such a babbling fool at this point that there’s really no reason for me to respond anymore.

    Love you too, darling… 😘

    @ Tim- Comgratulations on the troll-flounce.

  58. Kneel

    …there’s really no reason for me to respond anymore.

    Oh, I’m sure you’ll keep doing it though – I ain’t that lucky.

    Ah – I see you are no longer using “…going about their business”

    No it’s just the same thing. Obviously.

    Cool.
    So you support border control and lockdowns – obviously.

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