Why are our politicians not allowing HCQ to be used in Australia?

It is quite clear that the Chinese flu has become the decisive issue in American politics. Whether we are in a genuine pandemic and whether Donald Trump has taken the right approach or ought to have handled it differently is the one last issue available to the Democrats. Nothing Trump can do or say will ever receive the slightest approval from either the American media or anyone on the left who wishes to see Trump lose the election. Republican states continue to open their economies up and Democrat states continue to lock them down. The Russian hoax was virtually never mentioned during the Democrat National Convention when it had been the single most important issue for the past three years. It’s gone, and CV-1984 has taken its place.

So we have this now: PLASMA TREATMENT EVOKES POLITICAL RESPONSE. Yet another approach to dealing with the virus has been recommended by the President and the left-media have gone berserk once again.

Last night, President Trump announced that the FDA has granted emergency authorization to use plasma from patients who have recovered from COVID-19 to treat others who have contracted the disease. Plasma-based treatments have been in the works for some time, and the Mayo Clinic has carried out an extended test of the type of therapy the FDA approved yesterday.

To my knowledge, there are no safety concerns relating to plasma treatments, but critics were quick to claim that there is insufficient evidence of efficacy to support the expedited approval. As usual, the reaction to Trump’s announcement was political, not medical:

“The FDA must approve drugs or vaccines based on their safety and effectiveness – NOT political pressure from the White House,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tweeted on Saturday. “The President’s dangerous attempt to inject himself into the scientific decisions of [U.S. FDA] jeopardizes the health & well-being of all Americans.”

There is no doubt whatsoever that HCQ was condemned across the American media and the American left precisely because Donald Trump had spoken positively about the lives it might save. But that is American politics, and it is as obvious as anything one might have ever observed in the world of politics. My question is this: why is this same issue playing out politically in other countries, and in particular, why has Australia forbidden the use of HCQ for treating Covid?

You would think that how we treated the virus was in some way related to the American election which obviously it is not. Yet we allow people to die without allowing our own doctors to apply HCQ to people who might have otherwise recovered. This is both sickening and inexplicable. Let me quote Terry McCrann on this issue who is as puzzled as I am: Waiting for Godot, from one pandemic debacle to the next.

Further and more critically, there is arguably a better way if we were to actively embrace the two treatment protocols which have been shown to work in other places: Donald Trump’s hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and Thomas Borody’s ivermectin plus zinc.

Instead, we have seen an extraordinary, nothing short of hysterical, blitz to demonise the first; and now a move by the TGA to kill the second lest it gain some sort of toehold. Borody is being ‘investigated’ for potentially “breaching the ban on advertising COVID-19 treatments”.

Is that not exactly another example of the mandatory stupidity design feature? A blanket ban on advertising a virus treatment? In other words, shut up and just take whatever the “experts” dish out to you — even, mandatorily.

If HCQ plus zinc and ivermectin plus zinc — I have to keep stressing the “plus zinc”, because all, and I mean all, the trials that have “proved” HCQ does not work, have been trials that did not include zinc, the critical joint component — do actually work, even if not to Borody’s claimed 100 per cent for ivermectin, we have a wide open doorway out of the economic-virus nightmare.

We could turn the virus into an irritation. We could open up the economy, and treat anyone testing positive for the virus, just like we do for any other disease/injury.

So why aren’t we doing that? We are not part of the American political world so why are we not just using the tools we have available to cure people who are otherwise being allowed to die? Our politicians have a lot to answer for.

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75 Responses to Why are our politicians not allowing HCQ to be used in Australia?

  1. Bob

    We are doing it. Doctors who are ethical and care for patients not politics are quietly using HCL combinations, successfully. To not do so, leaves doctors open to charges of reckless negligence, or worse.

  2. Mustapha Bunn

    “In other words,just take whatever the experts dish out to you”….
    Now we have Andrews wanting the power to extend his powers for another 12 months so that his unelected “expert” Sutton can tell us what to do. In the midst of all this shit no one in the media has picked up on the arrest of an individual who has been charged with the crime of “ incitement to protest”. So Orwellian that it defies belief but which will become the norm if Andrews and his mate get their way.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s obvious why not. The ALP is aligned with the green-progressive wing of the Democrats. The LNP is captured utterly by the Photios wets, who are elitists aligned with the RINOs. The RINOs hate Trump with every fibre of their beings because he has been championing the 95% of ordinary Republican voters who are loyal to Trump. They fear the Republican Party being taken over by Trump, thereby dumping them out of the comfy beltway elite stratum.

    So because both the ALP and LNP detest Trump they aren’t going to accept HCQ/azithromycin/zinc. This is the evil of leftist politics in the present day, that they are purposely letting innocent people die for their mistaken cause.

    (Btw the therapy has to be HCQ or ivermectin plus an antibiotic plus zinc, because Covid tends to degrade the lining of the intestines and colon, letting gut bacteria contaminate the blood. The antibiotic prevents this contamination and resulting sepsis/inflammation/cytokine storm. At least that is what I’ve seen.)

  4. Bill

    The reason is simples. There are too many bureaucrats and politicians who have invested energy in the disinformation and overzealous lockdowns and draconian fines etc. these people will never apologise nor accept they have been wrong all along. And they really like to lord it over us, the inner fascist screaming all along to get out and wreak havoc. The TGA is a particularly egregious little body, completely unable to be reined in with some of its idiotic decisions. Plus there is always the looming presence of big pharma, who are actively fighting any relaxation of bans against the two drugs mentioned in the article. There is no money in it for them. They would rather bring a vaccine or two out which would need annual boosters to make lots of $$$. Always follow the money trail for answers.

  5. A Lurker

    ‘Big Pharma’ I suspect has much to do with this aversion to existing medicines as well as the political side of things.

    At the risk of being labelled a tinfoil hatter, there has been a lot of money channeled into developing a vaccine and a good deal of that money has come from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. I really don’t think that those two have the betterment of mankind in their minds – but rather profit. My guess is that a smallish investment on their part will mean a substantial return once the vaccine is developed…and the unholy speed that vaccines have been developed and rushed out, perhaps with insufficient testing and QA, tells me that the quest for profit is driving this.

    The fact that the pharmaceutical company that Morrison is putting so much trust in has created legal documents that state that they cannot be sued if their vaccine has unintended? consequences speaks volumes to me.

  6. rickw

    Why?

    If there is a relatively effective cure, there is no crisis.

  7. Cynic of Ayr

    It’s an interesting question, isn’t it? Why do Australian Politicians, if not actually banning the drug, actively discourage it?
    Is it to do with Money? Of course it is, it ALWAYS is! But, how, and to what extent?
    Que Bono?
    Would an Australian Politician, or advisor, being an investor in some drug company looking for a vaccine, actively discourage the opposition? Perhaps. There are some seedy characters in parliament, but not necessarily in positions of any influence.
    Are the Medicos in on it? Would a reputable medico, stand at the bedside, and watch a patient die – perhaps knowing full well that death is inevitable – refuse to try a drug because someone said it might not work.
    Note all the italics!
    It’s very difficult to comprehend such an attitude, from anyone.
    The second side of the debacle is the patient him/her self. Can they not demand to be given the drug? Realistically, an aged person in the full grip of the Virus, is possibly – probably- in no condition to demand anything, but surely the Relatives can demand the treatment.
    Then, of course, the Medico refuses to treat the patient and walks away, taking his copy of The Oath with him.
    You can legally sign yourself out of a Hospital. You can legally refuse treatment. You can legally blow your own brains out. But you can’t legally demand a particular drug when you are at Deaths’ Bloody Door?
    Ya know, I wonder if at the end of the day, the HCQ treatment proves to be the GodSend it could have been, if allowed to be. Would it then be legally possible to sue the Medico for negligence?
    Before anyone jumps on me, yes, I know, all I’ve done is added some more questions. But, perhaps if Credlin and her ilk, would pursue the questions, instead of incessantly and rabidly rabbiting on about Dan the Man, maybe someone would take a bit of notice.

  8. I wonder how much this has to do with Big Pharma. These existing remedies are no longer governed by intellectual property rights and so are available at very low cost as generic products; whereas, when it comes to new vaccines, they will be governed by intellectual property rights and will not be available at low cost. Money talks.

  9. Alex

    Bob
    #3559233, posted on August 25, 2020 at 9:25 am
    We are doing it. Doctors who are ethical and care for patients not politics are quietly using HCL combinations, successfully. To not do so, leaves doctors open to charges of reckless negligence, or worse.

    Bob, are you sure doctors are doing it? It would appear not to be so in Victoriastan.

  10. Jonesy

    Today, it is reported that a 33yo out of Hong Kong has caught the wuhan flu AGAIN five months after his first bout. The report is the virus had at least 24 mutations. The takeout is… a vaccine is not going to be effective against a mutating virus. HCQ/Zn or Invermectin/Zn may be the best defence

  11. Penny

    Credlin has not mentioned once about the use of the HCQ regime, in fact she has been pretty poor on the CV 19 debacle to calling for short sharp lockdown to wearing masks, promoting the use of homemade ones, which I think is dangerous
    Looking for a safe seat ??
    She’s a lawyer politician.., bad combination

  12. Roger

    They were using it in QLD when we had active cases. I’m not aware of any ban here.

  13. Penny

    Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt need to get Scott Morrison and Greg Hunt on their shows and ask why they are happy to see Australians get sick and die when there are some effective and safe cures/ preventatives
    No need for those double blind tests
    This wasn’t done with antibiotics during WW1 as in law you can use a drug when it is urgently needed ( sorry for the very unlegal language)

  14. Kev from Canberra

    Wait here guys, I’ll go get the rope.

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    They were using it in QLD when we had active cases. I’m not aware of any ban here.

    Roger – This:

    Doctors banned from prescribing potential COVID-19 drug (8 Apr)

    Doctors who prescribe an anti-malarial drug being trumpeted as a potential COVID-19 treatment face a $13,000 fine.

    New prescription rules, brought into effect in Queensland on Tuesday, mean clinicians are banned from prescribing the drug, hydroxychloroquine, as a COVID-19 treatment.

    So if doctors are writing scripts for it they are doing so in the face of massive fines. Or has Queensland quietly overturned this draconian ban?

  16. Bruce

    So, the SAME HCQ basically synthetic Quinine), that has been SAFELY used in interventions against malaria for DECADES, is suddenly NOT safe?

    The Zinc thing is important, as is the inclusion of an antibiotic.

    As an interesting aside, Australia has a dietary Zinc problem. Australian soils are, in general very low in natural zinc. Not only does this cause “issues” in agriculture, it consequently means lower Zinc uptake, all the way up the food chain.

    Zinc is very important in several major bodily functions, sight being one of them.

    “Trace Elements Matter!…. so to speak.

  17. mem

    You can’t have Trump being correct about anything. Why? Because Trump pulled out of the Paris Accord on Climate Change. Mr Photios who pulls the string for the wet liberals nationally eg Scomo, Hunt, is a big climate supporter. Indeed, so much so, that his wife makes mega millions out of renewable investments that are propped up through subsidies paid by Australian tax payers. And the Labor Party and the Greens for the same reason don’t want Trump to get any oxygen because people just might to question the efficacy of renewable energy and the lies behind the global warming scam.

  18. Bad Samaritan

    That no politician or bureaucrat was / is willing to forego any of their salary at all to show their solidarity with the masses they’ve impoverished……that they are all in this together with…….tells you all you need know about what they hold dearest.

    And now we need ponder why they don’t want cheap effective drugs eliminating the non-existent pandemic?

    Huh?

  19. The Manager

    Bob/ Alex, It was intimated to me (by a GP) that it is being used in some hospitals in Victoria.
    But what about the $13K fine?
    So dunno if it’s true.

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  21. Hydroxychloroquine can’t stop COVID-19. It’s time to move on, scientists say
    An abundance of scientific data shows that the drug isn’t an effective COVID-19 treatment

    Insufficient evidence to support ivermectin as COVID-19 treatment
    Recent research led to the anti-parasitic being discussed as a potential treatment, but experts say more research is currently needed.

    The plasma thing shows more promise, but it doesn’t scale well and is in early stages of development so it’s not a miracle cure either.

  22. candy

    Our politicians are currently doing nothing and taking a wonderful full salary and hope to go on like this for another year or two.

    To cut loose and speak their mind that HCQ might be worth more research or that Trump has some good ideas will get them demonised by the media and their own party and risk losing their job.

    They would rather see people ill and die than risk their job. Pauline Hanson is probably the only with with some courage.

  23. woolfe

    Why?

    Well simple, Orange Man Bad

  24. JohnJJJ

    Plasma. The blood of Christ?

  25. nb

    ‘So why aren’t we doing that?’
    A confounding question. Victoria’s self-destruction is likely enough a mix of Chinese encouragement with a need to avoid any semblance of anti-virus effectiveness that might undermine the anti-Trump campaign.
    More broadly, the general Australian political response is probably in part just cowardice in the face of an anti-Trump media, perhaps infused with a dose of the thousand talents researchers who doubtless are taking their orders from China and advising our various governments accordingly.

  26. Rob MW

    So why aren’t we doing that? We are not part of the American political world so why are we not just using the tools we have available to cure people who are otherwise being allowed to die? Our politicians have a lot to answer for.

    When it comes to the non-risk adverse little people with no other path to navigate, Australia’s bureaucratic bloody mindedness knows no bounds in disgraceful decision making, because they view the little people through the lens of a dirty brown hole.

  27. Beachcomber

    I just wish that among the idiots who govern Australia, someone, somewhere would have the courage and integrity to call out Covid-1984 for the vicious charade that it is. A forlorn hope.

    There is no epidemic, no pandemic, no plague. People in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 100’s dying in aged care facilities is not a public health crisis or scandal; however much the Ministry of Truth media insist that it is.

  28. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty – CDC weenies donate to the Democrats at a rate of 1600:1. The elites of the institutionalized medicine fraternity have been captured utterly by the Left. Of course they will do anything to falsify something Trump has advocated.

    Yet ordinary doctors trying to fix this virus say otherwise.

    You should not believe the propaganda coming from the Left, M0nty, even though that’s your side. Your life may depend on this if you catch the crud.

  29. Up The Workers!

    If the virulent Leftard pandemic of T.D.S. is causing the Queensland and Victorian Health Departments to politically ban the prescription of Hydroxychloroquine and zinc (and whatever) to prevent or to cure Labor Leprosy/Peking Pox/Socialist Syphilis/Bolshevik Bronchitis/the Wuhan Weeze/Fascist Flu/Commo Cough/Sino Sneeze/ Deadly Dan’s Distemper, does that mean that the bereaved relatives of all those killed for want of that politically-banned drug, can then sue the brainless quacks and the Public Serpents and their T.D.S.-afflicted Leftard pollie bosses for the industrial homicides egregiously caused by their hatred of Trump and their callous disregard towards the suffering?

  30. Yet ordinary doctors trying to fix this virus say otherwise.

    Ordinary doctors, LOL. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a bunch of crackpots and quacks. This is the mob that claimed immigrants spread leprosy in great numbers, pushes anti-vaxxer rubbish and says abortions cause breast cancer.

    Bruce, you try to sound intelligent, but you’re dumb as a post.

  31. Simon Morgan

    We are not part of the American political world so why are we not just using the tools we have available

    -3 sections of our community: MSM, the government and their medical ‘experts’.

    MSM here is entirely in lockstep with US media such as CNN and the NYT. Only some journalists in the ‘evil’ Rupert Murdoch stable dare to present actual news here.

    The government seems almost entirely in lockstep with the US Democrats. Orange Man Bad etc.

    The medical ‘experts’ feed non-stop propaganda to both the above.

    It’s an axis of evil.

  32. Kneel

    “Ordinary doctors, LOL.”

    Ah – perhaps an expert then, Monty?
    Here’s one:

    https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/08/24/lockdown-monumental-mistake-%e2%80%93-must-not-happen-again-says-top-uk-epidemiologistcovid-advisor/

    My bold:

    University of Edinburgh professor, Mark Woolhouse couldn’t have been clearer about how much he regrets his recommendations:
    “Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease.

    I never want to see national lockdown again.

    I believe the harm lockdown is doing to our education, health care access, and broader aspects of our economy and society will turn out to be at least as great as the harm done by Covid-19.”

  33. Steve

    Simple – the globalists use vaccines as a societal control grid.

    No vaccine = no normal life for you.

    It becomes no vaccine = no travel etc etc.

    Never mind that the virus is a pussy now and the vaccine will be a dangerous RNA bodgy mess that could harm your family and set you up to be vulnerable ( by design ) for the next bug they deliberately release on us.

    The http://www.wef.ch web site lays out the plan and it involves vaccines only.

    If we have hcq or ivemection, we break the big money making control grid for big gov and big pharma and sickos like “Bhamphomet Bill” and his WHO commie mates.

    Simples.

  34. Rex Anger

    Bruce, you try to sound intelligent, but you’re dumb as a post.

    Say mUnted, whose TDS is so far off the scale it will resort to any sort of craven propaganda and absurdity that agrees with Orange Man is Evilbad.

    Bruce, don’t bother with dialectic, logic or reason. Just kick the troll. Same as IamPeter.

    Kick it until it snivels, screeches at you and runs away. And keep your troll-stick well polishes for when it resurfaces…

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey M0nty did you see that both Fauci and Birx have said there’s no reason why Americans can’t vote in person?

    Fauci says there is ‘no reason’ Americans can’t vote in person in November (14 Aug)

    Dr. Birx says in-person voting is as safe as going into ‘Starbucks’ to ‘pick up my order’ (22 Aug)

    So why are the Democrats all screeching that it is so so dangerous and that mail-in fraudlent voting is so necessary? I’d like to know your view of this.

  36. Mater

    Let’s run a sweep on whether or not Monty would take Hydroxychloroquine and/or Ivermectin if he caught COVID-19.

    He does, after all, have a guaranteed “30-40 years left” in him, if only he can cheat this virus.

    Personally, I think he’d dive at the (non) treatment quicker than a Krispy Kreme.

  37. Ozman

    Apart from the perennial green trolls posting on the Cat, who delight in exposing their membership of the ignorati, most of posters are clued up. Therapeutics exist.

    Australian government leaders are negligent and guilty of deliberate genocide.

    Finally, Tucker Carlson (Fox News) is able to summarize what the COVID-19 is all about–CLIMATE CHANGE.

    I think Carlson is on the same side as you, Rafe.

  38. RJH

    Bruce, you try to sound intelligent, but you’re dumb as a post.

    Trouble with Monty is that in his closed & unquestioning world, his ideology and his associated TDS affliction has indoctrinated him so thoroughly that he has lost the cognitive ability to identify facts and the truth from regressive fiction. Poor Monty wouldn’t know the proverbial train was up him until the passengers got out!

  39. Steve

    NWO/Bildebergers set the global agenda
    Govts then get told to carry it out.
    Globalists appear to be satanic occultists.

    Niw…..F*uci has been on the board of the G*tes Trust,
    G*tes in 2017 was the 3rd biggest donor to the WHO after the US govt.

    G*tes wants to inject people with tattoos and likely nano microchips.

    G*tes is also a member of one of the 13 super powerful families that basically own and run the USA.

    Assuming it wasnt photoshopped, ive seen a photo of F*uci with G*tes senior and a few of the wealthy patriarchs and matriarchs of these families all chummy chummy. What dies that tell you? Trust = zero.

    Or put another way – its a NWO/globalist medical turkey shoot…with us as the turkies.

    Just say no to the vaccine.

    It shatters thier power if everyone says no.

  40. Alex

    Monty if you believe these then can I sell you a Harbour Bridge, going cheap during the alleged CV19 season.

    I can provide many articles on the effectiveness of HCQ for early stage CV19, in fact you can Google same. Many front line doctors around the world swear by it. Of course if you want to set something up for failure then set your own rules. For example use HCQ without Zn and a relevant antibiotic on late stage patients and sure it won’t work. But the protocols used by the doctors who swear by it are working. India has rolled out HCQ and their deaths per million is around 35. Speaks for itself.

  41. PB

    “No vaccine = no normal life for you.”

    Mark of the Beast.

    I imagine the hardcore Christians are thinking “we told you so”, even if they are too polite to say it out loud.

  42. DD

    HCQ does not cure COVID, it dismantles it’s defences allowing zinc to get access to and kill the virus. The antibiotic cleans up the mess preventing secondary infections. All of this was published in youtube video months ago. On the medcram channel as I recall but I have not been able to find it again.

  43. feelthebern

    The AMA : How dare anyone, ANYONE, interfere with what a physician & a woman decide with regards to a woman’s body. GET YOUR ROSARIES OF MY OVARIES.

    Also the AMA: We decree you are not allowed to take a drug that 500million people take every year because Trump.

  44. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3559367, posted on August 25, 2020 at 11:36 am
    Hydroxychloroquine can’t stop COVID-19. It’s time to move on, scientists say
    An abundance of scientific data shows that the drug isn’t an effective COVID-19 treatment

    Insufficient evidence to support ivermectin as COVID-19 treatment
    Recent research led to the anti-parasitic being discussed as a potential treatment, but experts say more research is currently needed.

    I’m sure you’re correct, m0nty. If you get sick, make certain that you do NOT get these treatments.

  45. Boambee John

    Bruce, you try to sound intelligent, but you’re dumb as a post.

    In which scientific field was your PhD thesis m0nty?

    PS, phantasy phootball is not a field of science!

  46. Hey M0nty did you see that both Fauci and Birx have said there’s no reason why Americans can’t vote in person?

    Ah yes Bruce, the old goalpost moving tactic.

    The premise of the OP, and your contribution, is based on pig ignorance of the facts at best, and deliberate misunderstanding at worst. I choose to believe you’re just thick, not evil, because I want to think as well of people as I can.

    HCQ does not cure COVID, it dismantles it’s defences allowing zinc to get access to and kill the virus. The antibiotic cleans up the mess preventing secondary infections. All of this was published in youtube video months ago. On the medcram channel as I recall but I have not been able to find it again.

    Incontrovertible proof! Hahaha, you idiot.

  47. Penny

    Roger
    They may not be using with Zinc, probably not many doctors prescribing, and using too late

  48. Rex Anger


    The premise of the OP, and your contribution, is based on pig ignorance of the facts at best, and deliberate misunderstanding at worst. I choose to believe you’re just thick, not evil, because I want to think as well of people as I can.

    And that’s perfectly OK m0nty.

    In the clownworld of mUnty Bugman’s Flying Circus, where established and useful medications are banned because an Evilbad Orange Man said they could help, a vaccine is just around the corner. The Powers That Be said so…

    I wish I had mUnty Bugman’s faith in the fact that, so long he stays sitting on the bench at the bus shelter, a bus will come. Never mind that the buses were cancelled decades ago and the shelter and bench are barely intact. mUntz was told by the Powers That Be that if he sits here, a bus will come. He was never told what a bus might look like, but they said it would come, and no amount of taxis, Ubers, concerned citizens or Men in White Coats will ever convince him otherwise…

  49. Boambee John

    The premise of the OP, and your contribution, is based on pig ignorance of the facts at best, and deliberate misunderstanding at worst. I choose to believe you’re just thick, not evil, because I want to think as well of people as I can.

    Thank you Dr m0nty, PhD (Piled Higher and Deeper), MD (Mad Drip), BSc (Bachelor of Silly Crap). Where would we be without you, move over Hot Button Sutton, you have been superceded by the supersized!

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah yes Bruce, the old goalpost moving tactic.

    I am interested in your comments M0nty. Truly.
    I couldn’t be bothered digging up the dozens of stories I’ve seen showing the efficacy of HCQ/antibiotic/zinc and the ivermectin version. But seeing Fauci and Birx say this was quite interesting, and I’ve not heard any comment from lefties on their recently announced position. So I asked.

  51. The AMA : How dare anyone, ANYONE, interfere with what a physician & a woman decide with regards to a woman’s body. GET YOUR ROSARIES OF MY OVARIES.

    Also the AMA: We decree you are not allowed to take a drug that 500million people take every year because Trump.

    Very true.

    LOL
    monty couldn’t pass 1st year economics.

    monty to inorganic chem R&D Ph D:

    “You’re as dumb as a post”

    Keep on earning a living squatting on the AFL’s IP, fatso.

  52. I couldn’t be bothered digging up the dozens of stories I’ve seen showing the efficacy of HCQ/antibiotic/zinc and the ivermectin version.

    The main distinguishing feature of the average Cat is complete intellectual laziness.

  53. Snoopy

    The main distinguishing feature of the average Cat is complete intellectual laziness.

    Zinger! Debate crushed. Finished. Kaput.

  54. Rex Anger

    Zinger! Debate crushed. Finished. Kaput.

    Indeed. Add in a spiel about the rest of us knowing nothing about some unspecified ‘fundamentals’ and how we’re all confused leftists, and one would be forgoven for thinking one was arguing with Petey, aka IamAVeryLowEnergyLeftyTroll.

    The mimicry of his Petey Projectionations is near-perfect…

  55. Boambee John

    ivermectin

    I can understand why m0nty is a bit nervous about ivermectin. After all, it was developed to destroy parasitic worms. Not sure what he has against HCQ, after all, he is far too large to be a unicellular parasite.

  56. Kneel

    Boambee John
    #3559896, posted on August 25, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    Well played, sir!

  57. NoFixedAddress

    Why are our politicians not allowing HCQ to be used in Australia?

    Led by their PM manMorrison none of them can go against the CCP_UN.

  58. feelthebern

    Healthcare workers at St Vincent’s Hospital Melbourne will be taking part in a clinical trial to investigate whether controversial drug hydroxychloroquine can protect doctors and nurses while they treat COVID-19 positive patients.

    We begrudgingly test this treatment that will save our lives while we deny you the chance to also take it.

  59. Let’s me get this straight.

    Hydroxychloroquine is banned in its use as a synthetic enzyme to upregulate zinc uptake at the cellular level, or it as it blocks an enzyme which downregulates zinc uptake.

    Hmm. That would be like banning vitamins. Or institutional scepticism regarding off label cancer therapies (DCA for example).

    Yet off label psychiatric drugs are a cottage industry.

  60. Mitch M.

    feelthebern
    #3560049, posted on August 26, 2020 at 4:45 am
    Healthcare workers at St Vincent’s Hospital Melbourne will be taking part in a clinical trial to investigate whether controversial drug hydroxychloroquine can protect doctors and nurses while they treat COVID-19 positive patients.

    We begrudgingly test this treatment that will save our lives while we deny you the chance to also take it.

    The trial is an attempt to prove to the bureaucrats that it has value. At present they are probably prevented from prescribing HCQ because of government interference. One single case of a bad outcome and the doctor will be sued and possibly struck off. Politicians and bureaucrats have no place controlling medicine.

  61. Terry

    All we need to know about HCQ, Ivermectin, etc is: “Can they be used safely?”*

    * It’s “Yes”, btw (to both) – long history of safe use with known possible side-effects…and cheap as well.

    Their effectiveness against SARS-Cov-2/COVID-19 is of secondary concern and can be tested through a properly configured trial over the time needed, while they are in use. Absolutely no need to wait.

    If it turns out they are ineffective, then it’s a bit like taking paracetamol for a headache you didn’t have – no real harm done.

    On this basis, public health bureaucrats (enabled by weak politicians) banning these drugs from use against SARS-Cov-2/COVID-19 is a scandal. They must be held accountable.

  62. notafan

    I see a Professor John Santamaria is mentioned in that St Vincent’s hospital Covid shield article.

    That’s a confidence booster, right there.

  63. Fair Shake

    If ivermectin trials do not work, at least those candidates will be free of worms for a while.

  64. OldOzzie

    Bazinga
    #3559470, posted on August 25, 2020 at 1:39 pm
    What a waste of words. Who would use HCQ for a prolonged period anyhow? In this context its to help you get over COVID.

    And define prolonged.

    Covid-19 Intervention Treatment Prescribing Information

    Drug: Hydroxychloroquine

    – Hydroxychloroquine: 400mg twice a day (BID) on day 1, followed by 200mg BID for days 2-5

    Drug: Azithromycin

    – Azithromycin: 500mg on day 1, followed by 250mg once daily for days 2-5

    Drug: Zinc Sulfate

    – Zinc Sulfate: 220mg once daily for 5 days

  65. W Hogg

    We did pursue it, months ago.

    When they kill it, that will be proof of corrupt anti-Trump666 virtue signalling.

    Pelosi needs to be one of the people Illary said would be dangling from nooses.

  66. ExIronCurtain

    Government is no longer accountable to anyone.
    At least in Victoria, at least since the advent of the 4-year fixed term. Who will replace Dictator Dan if he does resign as Premier? Another dictator or puppet from his own front-bench?
    If we cannot have an election, what’s the point? Yes, I did sign the petition asking for this dictator’s resignation, just out of spite.
    Chloroquine was routinely prescribed for years 50 years ago for long-term use. No adverse effects. What’s the risk even if not effective?
    Blood plasma treatment was used for almost a century – what’s the risk even if not effective?
    Why actively ban HCQ? Why list it as a poison? Why the Pharma Guild refuse to fill HCQ prescriptions?

    Simples: politicians don’t want a treatment, they want total power over our lives. They are supported by Unions and other totalitarian advocates, including blind sheeple like the 50% Victorians who voted for this mob.

  67. Terry

    ‘Who will replace Dictator Dan if he does resign as Premier?’

    Relax. Xi called. Dan is “Premier for Life”.

  68. Here are some links that may help you decide your position on HCQ:

    https://c19study.com/

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-08-05/hydroxychloroquine-and-coronavirus

    https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-the-coverup-the-cure-and-key-evidence/

    I’ve included green tea and zinc supplements into my diet. It can only help my immune system as far as my research indicates and may even protect me from COVID-19. I have also used colloidal silver that I make myself for years whenever I have a cold. There’s also a research article that suggests it inhibits coronaviruses. Here’s an article I’m working on with regards to colloidal silver:

    https://silversolutions9999.com/blog-pros-and-cons-of-colloidal-silver/

  69. Toshi Uematsu

    What an enormous load of utter right wing ratbaggery
    I simply cannot believe the stupidity on display here
    From the first line of the article, referring to the ‘Chinese flu’ (racist and ill-informed) and all through the comments (a breathtaking display of ignorance and obfuscation).
    Complete idiots, all of you

  70. Rex Anger

    What an enormous load of utter right wing ratbaggery
    I simply cannot believe the stupidity on display here
    From the first line of the article, referring to the ‘Chinese flu’ (racist and ill-informed) and all through the comments (a breathtaking display of ignorance and obfuscation).
    Complete idiots, all of you

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  71. Lee

    From the first line of the article, referring to the ‘Chinese flu’ (racist and ill-informed)

    What is factually incorrect about the “Chinese flu”?
    Ever heard of the Spanish Flu?
    I guess the truth hurts for those who don’t want to listen.
    Better a “right wing ratbag” than a left wing wanker.

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