This used to be a joke …

… But not in Dan Andrews’ Viktoria.

 

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103 Responses to This used to be a joke …

  1. rickw

    Communist Victoria.

    Fuck you Dickhead Dan. Fuck you Vikpol.

  2. HT

    rickw
    #3564474, posted on August 29, 2020 at 8:10 pm
    Communist Victoria.

    Fuck you Dickhead Dan. Fuck you Vikpol.

    +++

    VICPOL will need a lot of PR work post Covid hysteria to regain our trust. Expect lots of stories about giving disadvantaged / terminally ill children their lifetime dream of being a copper and shit like that there.

    Word of advice to Victorians, get serious about practicing basic digital hygiene so the Stasi can’t easily find you.

  3. a reader

    What an utter disgrace. East Germany on the Yarra never fails to plumb new depths

  4. thefrollickingmole

    And here’s why privacy laws are needed.
    Elect me and all electronic commerce are not allowed to be scanned.
    We will return to the “ bad old days” of arresting people after they commit crimes.

  5. Squirrel

    Someone who knows about these things should come up with an estimate (including all on-costs) of just how much that visit would have added to the state debt.

    The “we love lockdown” self-flagellants would, of course, say that any price would be worth it to head off an outbreak of potentially genocidal pedestrianism but maybe, just maybe, a Facebook post (perhaps from dreamy-eyes Brett or some other hero of the people) would have done much more at much less cost to prevent mayhem.

  6. Real Deal

    I can’t hear very well but I assume no actual laws were broken. Three cars for that? What on earth is going on?

  7. Godfrey

    Those cops are heroes. Really. So brave.

  8. TFX

    This is unbelievable. Have the Victorian police been trained by old hands from the East German Stasi?

  9. twostix

    I like the way that he’s casually standing there talking to a mum at home, with his hand resting on his gun.

  10. HT

    Real Deal
    #3564532, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:16 pm
    I can’t hear very well but I assume no actual laws were broken. Three cars for that? What on earth is going on?

    I listened “hard”. They were checking that the Facebook post wasn’t “inciting protest”. It wasn’t.

    Are we close to the movie “Minority Report” yet, actual thought crimes.

  11. Chris M

    The other thing that is dead besides the Stasi Vikpol is the monarchy. What is the purpose of having a queen or a governor when they are utterly absent in the only time they are needed.

  12. Rob MW

    Sooooooooo………the Victorian police are monitoring facebook posts on people going for a walk in the park for no longer than an hour and perhaps maybe talking to someone at the park. The lady rightly asks the 3 Stasi interrogators in 2 Stasi cars how they were able to identify her when she has no ID attached to he facebook page or post. Of course the Stasi did not or would not answer that question. Then a 3rd Stasi car drives by to make sure that the other 3 Stasi interrogators in 2 Stasi cars are accounted for just in case the baby in the background flattened the fuck out of them. My guess is that the baby had a suspected virus laced dummy that was threatening to bring down a FA 18 ‘Eagle’ over Dan’s shithouse.

    No amount of PR is going to get Dan’s Stasi police out of the shit that have created for themselves, but on the other hand, I don’t think these arseholes have ever given a shit what people think of them including the HCA.

  13. vlad

    If you listen closely you can hear how they ID’d her: if you’ve ever spoken to police, it’s recorded – and they’ll use it against you later.

    I’m guessing that includes if you make a complaint about a crime.

  14. HT

    At risk of sounding ridiculous, I’ll say it again:

    A Word of advice to Victorians, get serious about practicing basic digital hygiene so the Stasi can’t easily find you. Don’t be ridiculously paranoid, just the basics like:

    1.) Check the account settings on all your email and socials (if you have them) and make sure your happy with what they reveal about you. Go through every page, check box by check box. Keep what’s private, well, private. Learn to use the privacy setting on all the socials, and use them. You don’t need to give Facebook your ACTUAL address, age, location etc. If you’re going to live a virtual life, choose somewhere more in keeping with a virtually exotic life.

    2.) Use a VPN when you not on your home WIFI or LTE (your home WIFI and LTE are actually quite secure). But if your a little paranoid, turn on and use a VPN permanently.

    3.) Use a Password Manager like LastPass (its free and very good, passwords even sync across devices)

    4.) Now you have a Password Manager, use real passwords.

    5.) Turn on two factor authentication, and use biometric data to open your devices if you have it. Set your devices to lock after a short time of inactivity.

    6.) Use a browser that respects your privacy. Duck Duck Go or Firefox. Yes, they take a little effort to learn and it can be inconvenient to get search results from random world locations, but if you’re too lazy to learn don’t bitch when your fingered or hacked or reap the rewards of identity theft.

    If the wallopers get through all that to find you, then you did something really bad and they upped the search for you several magnitudes of order.

    None of this is hard to do. Really, give it a go, say one step every week or two and before you know you won’t exactly have gone “dark“, but you would be pretty damn dim 🙂

    Anyone wants to seriously go dark then learn to use the Dark Web. Its not that bad, really! Just don’t go anywhere with “Red” in the name LOL (actually, its not funny!). Besides, one day you might want to buy some Nembutal to exit this dystopian world when Andrews gets elected as Premier for life. Or you activists could use the dark Web to organise protest rallies with your average walloper way out their depth to find you to try to charge you with incitement or other thought crimes >:(

    Sorry if I rambled too much off topic – just sitting here killing’ time watching “The Walking Dead” to cheer myself up! Actually, take away the zombies and it’s pretty much what our future looks like with Dan at the helm, a dystopian world of every man for himself…LOL

  15. Robber Baron

    Don’t talk to cops. Don’t cooperate with cops.

  16. HT

    vlad
    #3564567, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:55 pm
    If you listen closely you can hear how they ID’d her: if you’ve ever spoken to police, it’s recorded – and they’ll use it against you later.

    I’m guessing that includes if you make a complaint about a crime.

    I call bullshit. Their systems aren’t that sophisticated. They got what needed because she told them what they needed in Facebook. If it’s public, they’re allowed to look and to use what they find. If its private however, then we’re in warrant territory.

  17. HT

    HT
    #3564581, posted on August 29, 2020 at 10:17 pm
    vlad
    #3564567, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:55 pm
    If you listen closely you can hear how they ID’d her: if you’ve ever spoken to police, it’s recorded – and they’ll use it against you later.

    I’m guessing that includes if you make a complaint about a crime.

    I call bullshit. Their systems aren’t that sophisticated. They got what needed because she told them what they needed in Facebook. If it’s public, they’re allowed to look and to use what they find. If its private however, then we’re in warrant territory.

    Just a point on that: Use a nick name or just let Facebook display your first name only if you really want to use Facebook. Your friends will still know who you are but the Stasi will have a hard time finding a surname to check their databases. There are lots of “Fred’s” out there but much fewer Fred Nurks especially if you narrow the geolocation down for them.

  18. 132andBush

    TFX
    #3564537, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    This is unbelievable. Have the Victorian police been trained by old hands from the East German Stasi?

    Maybe, but people who are her “friends” on FB definitely have.

  19. John A

    HT and
    vlad #3564567, posted on August 29, 2020, at 9:55 pm

    If you listen closely you can hear how they ID’d her: if you’ve ever spoken to police, it’s recorded – and they’ll use it against you later.

    I’m guessing that includes if you make a complaint about a crime.

    But that doesn’t explain how they linked FB to her previous contact with Police. She claims that there was no private data on FB.

    I am too well known, after 25 years of NHW, reporting a stolen car, engaging positively with Police in a number of ways including as next of kin for children involved in road accidents.

    I don’t have private details at FB, I am not active there but I do have a stale account at LinkedIn, and have been busy on blogs (including this one, natch!).

    I use a password manager, DDG and so on. Basic digital hygiene, yes but it’s too late in my life for me to be paranoid.

  20. Meanwhile no home invasions are being committed by those of non specified origin.
    They never were.

  21. 132andBush

    She was doxed by a “friend” or a “friend of a friend” on FB.

  22. Ozman

    Not only is surveillance happening in Victoria. Canberra clowns and the CCP/WHO bought Coates and Kelly like to let people know that they are under surveillance, too. Coates and Kelly are criminals. They are intentionally murdering people by not recommending that they have access to therapeutics that are proven to resolve Covid-19.

    Cops live in a world of their own. Sadly, that is what happens because of the morons they deal with most of the time. When Dicktators sool them on to you, they do their job, tongue hanging out, drooling, wagging their tails, making out that they are friendly. Always remember, dogs bite!

    Megan was smart. She was circumspect and started filming. She would have been arrested for incitement, otherwise, and not just questioned; but thrown to the ground, with a knee in her neck and handcuffed. Go Megan!

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Just a point on that: Use a nick name or just let Facebook display your first name only if you really want to use Facebook

    A lesson from savvy millenials in the family.
    Insert spaces, underscores, punctuation marks in your name.
    Makes it tough to search, but human readers who know you can identify you.
    Eg … Le19h Lo_we.

  24. twostix

    I call bullshit. Their systems aren’t that sophisticated. They got what needed because she told them what they needed in Facebook. If it’s public, they’re allowed to look and to use what they find. If its private however, then we’re in warrant territory.

    No. This:

    give any other direction that the authorised officer considers is reasonably necessary to protect public health.

    Plus this:

    in a state of disaster the Minister may—

    (c) take possession and make use of any person’s property as the Minister considers necessary or desirable for responding to the disaster; and

    Means no warrants needed for any data from a business in Victoria for the next six months.

    Facebook and Google, both which have major offices and DC’s in Melbourne, and any data your phone sends (location data – obviously) should be considered an open book to the government if you’re a Victorian during this state of disaster.

  25. Bronson

    Most people stop digging when they realise they are in a hole but not vicpol. Looks like they are going through to China with how to lose public support. Thanks Dan and Lisa p

  26. Rockdoctor

    Curious and probably irrelevant but since when have Vic Pol stopped wearing head dress? Didn’t cops all over phase out peak caps for baseball caps as baseball caps were more convenient?

  27. HT

    John A
    #3564591, posted on August 29, 2020 at 10:41 pm
    HT and
    vlad #3564567, posted on August 29, 2020, at 9:55 pm

    If you listen closely you can hear how they ID’d her: if you’ve ever spoken to police, it’s recorded – and they’ll use it against you later.

    I’m guessing that includes if you make a complaint about a crime.

    But that doesn’t explain how they linked FB to her previous contact with Police. She claims that there was no private data on FB.

    I am too well known, after 25 years of NHW, reporting a stolen car, engaging positively with Police in a number of ways including as next of kin for children involved in road accidents.

    I don’t have private details at FB, I am not active there but I do have a stale account at LinkedIn, and have been busy on blogs (including this one, natch!).

    I use a password manager, DDG and so on. Basic digital hygiene, yes but it’s too late in my life for me to be paranoid.

    Just double check the Facebook privacy setting, they are notoriously obtuse (I refuse to use Facebook, never have, never will).

    But, I meant it, don’t get paranoid. Do those basics and the average walloper won’t be able to link your digital world to the real world.

    As for blogs like this, be very surprising if they noticed. As a ManOp, trawling every minor (sorry sinc) blog for data would be very unproductive. If it was a Bot trawling they would need very a sophisticated (Federal level) searching algorithm. The Feds are neither interested nor can they lawful trawl for data from Australian citizens for such petty “crimes”.

    Check all your account settings, I check mine once a year, that’s plenty just to make sure the service provider hasn’t “upgraded” a service I want. But I’m still happy to use a real email for a site like this. Track that email back though and it won’t tell you anything other an email address you can contact me on.

    Besides, in the end it’s like this. Using those basic hygiene points I listed, only the Feds could “find me”, and they aren’t interested. The VicStasi may want to find me, but that would find it very challenging. Thats good enough 🙂

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Most people stop digging when they realise they are in a hole but not vicpol. Looks like they are going through to China with how to lose public support

    I’m waiting for the first plaintive wails about how VicPol have lost the support and confidence of the public…

  29. HT

    Highly unlikely Twostix.

    1.) A warrant is still required albeit signed by the CMO rather than a Minister. They can’t just walk up to the desk and demand it.

    2.) The legals in having an enterprise hand over data is way more complicated than that. I won’t explain, but trust me, it’s complex and even if a walloper could just walk up to a desk in Melbourne and demand access, chances are it can’t be produced in anything less than days, weeks or even months.

    3.) Google etc don’t own the Apple iOS. iPhone location data is Apples to reveal. And I can assure you that, despite mythology, Apple do not easily share data with governments.

    4.) Realistically, the wallopers wouldn’t bother if the exercise took more than 10 minutes. Other necks to step on, heads to crack and all that.

  30. incoherent rambler

    Far Kem.

    The LNP *need* to say that they will pursue the over (goose) stepping plods.

    Lobby the libs.

  31. twostix

    1.) A warrant is still required albeit signed by the CMO rather than a Minister. They can’t just walk up to the desk and demand it.

    Apparently you don’t understand what being in a “state of disaster” means?

    The literal point of the legislation is that they don’t need a warrant.

  32. Colonel Crispin Berka

    🎝🏲🎜 A spoon full of COVID makes the Marxism go down. 🎝🏲🎜

  33. Davey Boy

    One take on the question How Should You Deal with Police in Australia? reproduced below warts’n’all as a point of view on the overall subject.

    Be calm and be polite. It’s normal to feel targeted and to become frustrated but try employing a bit of self-discipline, because being polite to cops (even when they’re not) is just common sense.

    You’re more likely to be ordered around, treated like shit and fined for something insignificant by woman cops and manlets who take the job too seriously and feel as though they need to prove something.

    Actual policemen who aren’t insecure fags and don’t relish in authority will be reasonable so long as you are. Physically, it’s easy to spot the difference between these two classes of cops but beware, the decent kind are a dying breed. The state doesn’t like them, it prefers insecure, obsequious feminists, since people like that are more capable of blind obedience and cruelty, so long as they’re rewarded with a meagre wage and some sort of abstract social status in return.

    You don’t have to talk to the police. You should identify yourself if asked to but you shouldn’t say anything else. You don’t need to be an arsehole about it, you just shouldn’t make any comments to police about yourself or anybody else.

    The only reason the police will ever ask you questions is to assist in your or somebody else’s arrest/prosecution. What you should say after identifying yourself is “I’ve been previously advised by a lawyer not to answer any of your questions before seeking legal advice, so I intend to answer “no comment” to every question until I can contact a lawyer, thanks.”

    You might still be arrested but if you don’t talk and nobody else talks, then you’ll be released without charge within a few hours.

    Ninety-five percent of all successful prosecutions in Australia are based on an accused person’s own testimonies or on information provided by other people in the community (commonly regarded as “rats” and “laggers” among those in the working classes).

    Don’t try to argue your “rights”. You don’t really have any rights. This isn’t America, there is no freedom of speech or freedom from arrest. If you make the police angry with you, they’ll probably arrest you on a whim and hold you for a day just to satisfy their own personal resentments.

    Don’t try to argue anything with the police. Don’t try explain yourself to the police. Don’t tell the police your stories. They don’t give a fuck about who is right and wrong or what is moral or not moral, they’re just trying to prosecute you or somebody else, that’s their job so don’t make it easier for them by jabbering and arguing, just calmly and respectfully tell them you aren’t prepared to make a comment.

    Don’t be intimidated into making a comment by vague threats or aggressive body language. Police are trained to try to intimidate people into providing them with information. Don’t get sucked in. Prison is a holiday in this country, it’s not scary. Courts and judges aren’t scary. The police aren’t scary. They’re all just flesh and blood shit-talkers serving a government-administered by Marxists, feminists and transvestites.

    If they force you to go through their processes then go and do it smiling. Sleep in their cells, chat to some impulsive crims who are actually entertaining people usually, eat the microwave meals and enjoy your holiday –because at the end of the day, it’s all bullshit, nothing to be afraid of and unless you’ve killed someone then you’ll always be back home sooner or later.

    The extent of the law is extremely broad and far-reaching in Australia, the police can virtually do whatever they want to arrest, hold and charge you. This has been the result of the subverted nation-state failing to protect its media and eduction institutions from hostile influence; the students of Marxism, upper-middle class journalists, professors, political lobbyists, councillors and the outrage mobs they form have spent at least a decade demanding censorship, more laws and fewer rights for Australians on the grounds of “safety”, “human equality” and “stopping racism”.

    The result at a government level is an obscure and multilayered bureaucracy of inferior people, who romanticise authoritarianism and spend most of their time dreaming up revenge fantasies to punish who they see as the “white oppressors” (read: white working class Australians).
    The point being, these kinds of people give the state police their orders, always bear that in mind when dealing with them and don’t let them fool you into believing that making a statement is going to benefit you in some way.

  34. HT

    No Twostix, I respectfully put it to you that misunderstand.

    A warrant is still required, it must be signed by the CMO, and by the way, Google may have an office in Melbourne but their data warehouse could be anywhere.

    The data isn’t as available as you may think. Do you honestly think just anybody in say, Google, can just tap in your name and then they see where you are or have been? It ain’t that easy, this I know, and I know it as a fact. A state of disaster doesn’t change this simple fact, warrant or not.

    You are free to disagree, of course. Go your hardest.

  35. Cynic of Ayr

    Oh Jeez, it’s so freaking simple!
    Forget about all that privacy settings and password shit!
    Don’t go on FaceBook.
    Don’t go on Twitter.
    If you want to let a group of friends know what your’e doing, post an email, but I suppose the Stasi even sit on their arse by the hundreds, reading people’s emails.
    FaceBook and Twitter are garbage.
    You do not have to have FaceBook! You can live without it. It is not a necessity!

  36. Concerned Citizen

    It’s good to complain, but we need to start thinking about what to do about the excessive overreach of the Victorian Government and we need to spread practical advice on how to deal with the police.

    How do we get ourselves out of this mess?

    How do we reassert democratic control over the government and its hopeless public servants? Why isn’t this part of the plan of the state Liberals? How do we make it part of their plan?

    How do we ensure the police behave in a civil and respectful way and don’t send battalions of bored thugs to intimidate a mother who posted on Facebook?

    Will the Liberals help or will they just continue the excessive jackbooted thuggery of VicPol?

    We need to start thinking about how to solve this, not just bitching and moaning about it.

  37. HT

    Cynic of Ayr
    #3564648, posted on August 30, 2020 at 12:03 am
    Oh Jeez, it’s so freaking simple!
    Forget about all that privacy settings and password shit!
    Don’t go on FaceBook.
    Don’t go on Twitter.
    If you want to let a group of friends know what your’e doing, post an email, but I suppose the Stasi even sit on their arse by the hundreds, reading people’s emails.
    FaceBook and Twitter are garbage.
    You do not have to have FaceBook! You can live without it. It is not a necessity!

    Yeap, agree 110%. My advice was aimed at those who can’t live without out them, but should.

    I actually remember a world without “socials”, and when early blogs were called Bulletin Boards and were accessed only by nerdy bois on home built computers with green or yellow phosphorus CRT screens. Should have taken them down then when the danger was merely lurking 😉

    I so, FWIW, go one month in six without my iPhone. Just to check I can break any addictive habit that may centre around these damn things 🙂

  38. gafa

    If you want to let a group of friends know what your’e doing, post an email, but I suppose the Stasi even sit on their arse by the hundreds, reading people’s emails.

    Fax machines and online gaming 👍

  39. NoFixedAddress

    HT
    #3564656, posted on August 30, 2020 at 12:19 am

    I actually remember a world without “socials”, and when early blogs were called Bulletin Boards and were accessed only by nerdy bois on home built computers with green or yellow phosphorus CRT screens. Should have taken them down then when the danger was merely lurking 😉

    Oi! whose a ‘nerdy boyo’ then!

    It was the bloody long distance ie overseas phone charges that were the real negative of contacting the good Bulletin Boards (USA) from Australia back yay whenever.

    Those were the days my friend when CP/M was king and TRS-80 bois were producing ‘cutting edge’ os mods.

  40. gafa

    “There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”
    Commander Adama

    But, when the police are the enemies and the state?

  41. Zatara

    Don’t go on FaceBook.
    Don’t go on Twitter.

    This +infinity.

    Ask yourself one question, how do they make their money? By selling you of course.

    Never have, never will and made sure my family was well educated on the risks so they can make an informed choice. An education highlighted by my speeches:
    – Internet is forever
    – Before you put something on the internet assume your worst enemy will be seeing it
    – Private emails aren’t
    – and the ever classic ‘Embarrassing pictures ALWAYS get forwarded’

    As to the cops, I keep a couple business cards of a mate who is a solicitor handy for those “I prefer not to speak to you officer but you can chat with him if you like” moments.

    Yes, it’s been suggested to me that I have trust issues.

  42. Crossie

    FX
    #3564537, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:23 pm
    This is unbelievable. Have the Victorian police been trained by old hands from the East German Stasi?

    Victorian police have always been like this. Remember visiting relatives in Melbourne and being warned about their speeding laws. We were told that VicPol fines you doing one kilometre over the limit and yet the actual driver behaviour in traffic was atrocious.

  43. Crossie

    Chris M
    #3564550, posted on August 29, 2020 at 9:37 pm
    The other thing that is dead besides the Stasi Vikpol is the monarchy. What is the purpose of having a queen or a governor when they are utterly absent in the only time they are needed.

    Blame Whitlam for that, not coronavirus.

  44. Mr Johnson

    It’s all about the intimidation, and the police knew exactly what they were doing by showing up in force. I’m a huge supporter of the police, but this is pathetic.

  45. Twostix

    A warrant is still required, it must be signed by the CMO

    Where? Where does it say that a warrant is required and must be signed by the CMO in a state of disaster?

    in a state of disaster the Minister may—

    (c) take possession and make use of any person’s property as the Minister considers necessary or desirable for responding to the disaster;

    The state of disaster has nothing to do with the public health act.

    Google may have an office in Melbourne but their data warehouse could be anywhere.

    Google has space in a DC in Mebourne, but forgetting that if an entity has an office in Melbourne its staff there are under Victorian law and will do as they’re told. dumbo techies have found out dozens of times now the location of servers doesnt matter, It’s the location of people with access to them that matters.

    Do you honestly think just anybody in say, Google, can just tap in your name and then they see where you are or have been?

    If they have access to the tools they can type in any of the following: username or any email you’ve used on a google platform or third party platform with Google as an oauth IDP, any ip address that they’ve ever associated with you or if you have an android device or use google maps your phone number or a google app your devices imei and see everything that they know about you.

    This feels like I’m talking to someone from the year 2007.

  46. Frank

    What must people actually get out of using Facebook?

  47. Mater

    What must people actually get out of using Facebook?

    It’s good for finding out how many of your IRL friends you actually don’t like.

  48. dasher

    It takes a lot for this old man to be surprised but that sequence of videos sent chills up my spine…..and the reality is that wearing masks in open air is totally unnecessary. It bothers me that we as a society are so compliant…good on those people for at least showing spine.

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Backthread, 11.16 from RickW, that mainstream media piece – so now we have ‘Covid sceptics’?

    Well, I am sceptical of media septics busy ruining our Nation for eyeballs and clicks.

    You are no longer allowed to be sceptical in this world? Being sceptical of a political narrative (imminent Covid death disaster or fabricated climatic change) is now a criminal offence? Aided and abetted by the totally biased media reporting as seen in the piece above.

    She’s awful, says beanstick media female, yes she’s awful, says interviewed Justin, ‘legal’ journo sanctimoniously clutching his mask, and all you watching sheep also think it’s awful don’tcha?

    It’s a classic rendition of how Victoria has arrived at Leak’s recent cartoon, everyone singing along with Stasi Dan and now you all go down to the cellar to live. Until when? Until you die down there in misery and poverty, as a promised vaccine remains chimeric? And all because most of you don’t want to get what for most of you is an almost imperceptible cold? Which if half of you get it means that eventually this virus will simply fade away.

  50. HT

    And I feel like I’m talking to somebody that believes Hollywood movies are real…mate if you think Andrews can just declare a state of disaster and suddenly Google/Apple/whoever just roll over when a walloper walks in the door to reception and demands to know where I live.

    Hell, why didn’t we think of that before! We could completely shut down three of our spy agencies and lots of and lots of police intel units. Just. Like. That. Save billions we would! And never again worry about those pesky Federal and International laws that stopped us just finding whatever we wanted whenever we simply asked, because the State of Victoria declared a State of Disaster. Not even mentioning his Google /Apple / etc dither and disperse the data they have because just rolling over like is so great for business.

    No offence intended Twister, but you know shit about how it really works. Hollywood isn’t real.

  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Telephone calls can be traced but as far as I know the content of telephone conversations are still private, for phone tapping is illegal without an authorisation (from whom? don’t know). A telephone ‘chain letter’ could thus gather people together, if that is what is desired. Of course lurking outside may be some interceptors, especially for mobile calls (Hello Prince Tampon), but it is illegal to do that. Or have things now moved on so much in Victoria that as in the USSR you don’t even pick up the phone?

  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When I worked in an official capacity in a large and complex organisation and had frenemies as well as enemies I always took written notes of every telephone conversation that I had in that capacity. Time, date, substance, quotes, etc. in a book of record. Useful at times. And as is well said above, regard no email as private and keep away from Facebook and Twitter. Head below parapet, I think it is called.

  53. Texas Jack

    Anybody heard from Morrison on this? The head of the Victorian Libs? Anyone??

    Morrison really is just a guy from marketing who knows how to smile. He’s just revelling in being PM. What a complete fuckwit he is.

  54. Kneel

    Rise up against your oppressors , my Victorian brothers and sisters! United we stand, divided we fall. Meet up, exchange details, organise a protest to show these facist dictators who’s really in charge! Really, you need to do this – for yourselves and for the future. Viva la protest!

    Please spread this as widely as possible.

    Oh dear! Now I’ve done it, haven’t I? Can I now expect NSW Police to come and arrest me for extradition to Vic? Bring it on Dan – I’m waiting. Sync can supply you my email, not hard to find me from that.

    Oh, and NSW plod: I will not, under any circumstances recant, nor cooperate with you in this matter – not giving a mm, do your worst just like your Victorian colleges have shown above.

  55. HT

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3564819, posted on August 30, 2020 at 9:09 am
    Telephone calls can be traced but as far as I know the content of telephone conversations are still private, for phone tapping is illegal without an authorisation (from whom? don’t know).

    Typically its a Minister that has to sign of on a warrant to surveil an Australian citizen (this not America where particular levels of the judiciary can authorise phone tapping).

  56. HT

    And…if anybody actually wants to use Facebook, Facebook is on the Dark Web. Constable plod would find that virtually impossible to intercept and trace back.

  57. Cynic of Ayr

    Bit more on FaceBook, if I may.
    Now, I do not know the lady of the original post, but the Coppers came to her house, having traced her on FaceBook. Obviously! They would not admit it, but they did.
    So, the lady decided to go for a walk, because her rugrat was whinging, I think she said.
    Fine! It’s legal! She can go!
    Why tell anyone about it on FaceBook?
    There was no need to do so. No one was going with her. All she was gunna get in reply was, “Oh, didja?”
    Lady, if you had kept your stupid mouth shut (figuratively) minded your own business, lost any sense that anyone cares – friends or not – if you go for a walk or not, all would have been well.
    But no! Because you are so self centered and up yourself, that you think everyone is absolutely fascinated with what you do every minute of your day.
    Now, simply because of that, you have your name on a report, you’re already a candidate for a repeat offender, and for what?
    Absolutely fucking nothing!

  58. Ozman

    The videos are telling us what we all know. But as Trump said people need to see for themselves what goes on and how their rights are being trashed. Doing the right thing is providing therapeutics for those in need, not putting masks (proven to be ineffective) on people who are walking down the street or threatening people on their own property because they are outside after curfews.

    Daniel Michael Andrews is an enemy of the people. So is the CHO Brett Sutton. Both are guilty of causing the deaths of those who have died of Covid-19. Not to mention the suicides and other casualties resulting from the stress their draconian measures are causing.

  59. Roger

    A Melbourne academic (linguistics) has pointed out that the five suburbs showing the highest rate of infection in the city’s second wave are “CALD” – culturally and linguistically diverse. People living in CALD areas often originate from low trust societies where government employees are regarded as possible spies and government messaging as propaganda.

    Before covid I would have thought this attitude a bug, but now I’m inclied to regard it as a feature. I don’t think that’s the message the journalist or the professor wanted to convey!

    Incidentally, a government that rabbits on about diversity and inclusion evidently didn’t factor in to their communications strategy that virtually every house in a CALD area has a satellite dish on its roof or a box next to their TV from which the inhabitants get their news – from their home country.

  60. mem

    For those that don’t support the draconian lock down please sign this petition and send on to others. Nearly 30,000 already. https://www.change.org/p/daniel-andrews-resign?redirect=false

  61. Hay Stockard

    Wzsthe oppression in Vikvtoria will continue until public morale improves.

  62. Win

    What a shame to see that the Commercial TV channels are now as obnoxious as the ABC.

  63. max

    The police won’t mind those clips being posted. They don’t mind if people get alarmed or intimidated because that is what they want. The intention is to frighten people so that joining in the mass protest on Sept 5 or strolling down a street in Dandenong at sunset with some mates is inadvisable.

    Victorian police have always been like this.

    Careful, you’ll start another argument about Ned Kelly.

  64. Sinclair Davidson

    When I worked in an official capacity in a large and complex organisation and had frenemies as well as enemies I always took written notes of every telephone conversation that I had in that capacity.

    I try to avoid speaking to anyone on the phone in an official capacity. Email serves as a very good record. I have also found that blind copying emails to a personal account works well. Once I had emails removed from my official email account. (Sorry, scratch that – I must have accidentally deleted them. 🙂 )

  65. Speedbox

    Davey Boy
    #3564637, posted on August 29, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    Agreed, never answer police questions without legal advice first. Ever.

    With regard to name/address, Police do not have an ‘absolute’ right to demand this information in every circumstance. But, in all cases, you should record their names, rank and station and then ask ‘why’ they want to know before handing it over. Do not fall for the intimidation which is police stock-in-trade.

  66. Professor Fred Lenin

    Learn Bahasa Indonesian ,there is no way the Vicstasi could understand you .
    It would come in handy if Normal Life recovers from the Chinese Biowar Attack,you can go to Djakarta and chst to the locals .
    DANDEMIC DAN ROOLS !

  67. Professor Fred Lenin

    Question ? are the DPP pursuing these Vicstasi charges ? If charged dont pay the fines demand to be taken to court . This will overload the court system to unmanageable levels . DANDEMIC DAN will be in the shit if the lawrtrade turns on him like a pack of dingoes .

  68. HT

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3565160, posted on August 30, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    I try to avoid speaking to anyone on the phone in an official capacity. Email serves as a very good record. I have also found that blind copying emails to a personal account works well. Once I had emails removed from my official email account. (Sorry, scratch that – I must have accidentally deleted them. 🙂 )

    That’s all well and good Sinc. But always remember the emails of a large organisation usually remain in some digital repository where you can’t see them. It’s like deleting an email from my iPhone but the email is still on my Mac, and on the Cloud etc, except you don’t get to see or maybe even know about the Cloud version. My guess is your University has an archive of all the emails ever sent going back years.

    I’m not suggesting anything sinister, it’s likely some obscure record keeping requirement or similar, but overwhelmingly, as we used to say government circles; never write anything on a computer you wouldn’t be happy to see in the Canberra Times. Don’t even tap it into the keyboard and then delete it (key loggers are not uncommon). Digital is forever and an eternity when you don’t personally own and have physical control of the system your using.

  69. Frank

    Roger
    #3564917, posted on August 30, 2020 at 10:22 am

    People living in CALD areas often originate from low trust societies where government employees are regarded as possible spies and government messaging as propaganda.

    What, you mean they aren’t and it isn’t?

  70. cuckoo

    My guess is your University has an archive of all the emails ever sent going back years.

    Yes, as we know the only people who have ever permanently lost emails are Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner and the FBI.

  71. stevem

    Not true. The company I work for has an email deletion policy. It was instituted after a legal search uncovered compromising emails in a comntract dispute.

  72. HT

    cuckoo
    #3565264, posted on August 30, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    My guess is your University has an archive of all the emails ever sent going back years.

    Yes, as we know the only people who have ever permanently lost emails are Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner and the FBI.

    She didn’t loose them, she “Bleached” them. On system she owned and physical control off.

  73. HT

    And, BTW, if I done what she did I would still be in prison!

  74. Kingston

    I used to be a copper. I don’t recognise these uniformed people. What the hell has happened that they have become adversaries and not members of the community any more.

  75. Iampeter

    Anybody heard from Morrison on this? The head of the Victorian Libs? Anyone??

    Nope and no one will. What Andrews is doing has overwhelming public support.
    Not to mention that the only opposition is from complete crackpots. Look at the video in this thread where they are protesting 5G and Bill Gates. These people are crazier than the lockdown advocates.

    These kooks are making it impossible for any serious conversation to take place to oppose these leftist lockdowns.

    All we have in mainstream politics today is leftists and crazies.

  76. Chris M

    (First some broad assumptions made about a FB post none of us have seen) then:

    Now, simply because of that, you have your name on a report

    I don’t get why this would matter in any way? We are all in the Stasi files already. It would be better if the file says she immediately cowed down and apologised for a non-crime or something?

  77. Gyro Cadiz

    When they come to your door asking questions;

    See them at the door – get your mobile and start recording.

    Good morning constable, my lawyer has advised me to record this so that both you and I are protected.

    Want to come in and talk to you.

    1. No, sorry, I cannot let you in without a warrant.

    Want to ask questions on ZZ.

    2. Your questions, sorry, my lawyer is XX YY at XX YY and partners and he’s advised me not to comment. You may submit all your questions to him in writing.

    Just want to discuss ZZ.

    3. Please contact my lawyer. Thank you for your time, and good day.

    Don’t talk to the police in these circumstances. THIS IS A FISHING EXPEDITION and they want to nail you, it’s their job, they generally suck at it these days, and anything will do. Catching you counts as a statistic and you are easier to nail than an actual crim. They are there to get you to talk, they are trained to get you to talk. When you talk, you give them the rope to nail your with.

    Always be polite.
    Always be calm.
    DO NOT engage in conversation.

    If they have a warrant, cooperate with the letter of the warrant and NO MORE. Call your lawyer immediately.

    Calm down, consider all questions for five seconds, and reply with absolute minimum information. Once only and ONLY where you absolutely have to. Otherwise, say nothing at all: “My lawyer will take your questions” and say that repeatedly.

    Don’t have a lawyer? Find a decent local one, go in and pay for a little 10 minute session on ‘what to say and do if the Plod knocks on your door on a fishing expedition’ – which is what happened in this video. She said FAR too much. Get half a dozen of his cards. keep one on your wallet, one at work, one in the car, same for the Missus and stick one on the fridge.

    Train your family the same, with what your lawyer told you.

    The plod did not used to be like this. It used to be “We are in between the crims and suburban Megan” (in this case).

    no more.

    Now it’s “There’s only us and crims, and most of the crims we have not nailed yet.” You see this here: suburban Megan is a crim to VicPlod, and they just need to nail her on something, anything will do.

  78. Kneel

    “I don’t recognise these uniformed people. What the hell has happened that they have become adversaries and not members of the community any more.”

    Indeed.
    My last interaction involved one deliberately misleading me.
    An absolute disgrace to the uniform, deliberately acting in such a way as to sow distrust of the office among the general population. Worse, he was the “leader” – essentially showing younger officers how to get what you want rather than perform the duty of assistance without favour.
    I won’t hesitate to tell him so either, should the occasion arise – if anyone deserves the label “pig”, it is scum like him. He has permanently lowered the respect the office should deserve to satiate his laziness and salve his ego. Zero trust and zero respect for that individual.
    I would like to try and keep this as a one off, a “bad apple”, but I fear it is not and alas must assume he is typical.

  79. Tel

    Morrison really is just a guy from marketing who knows how to smile. He’s just revelling in being PM. What a complete fuckwit he is.

    This is all true … consider that we had a number of PM’s with strong personal agendas, and people found them all insufferable, so the amiable guy from marketing seemed the least worst option.

  80. nb

    In the United States the left have released their rioting mobs to intimidate the population.
    In Australia our communist friends in Victoria have released their police force to intimidate the population.
    They need to keep the Wuhan virus scam going because the worse it looks the more their American friends can keep the scam going as well. The economic devastation is supposed to help the Democrats win the November election. China is pleased, no doubt, having released the virus upon the world with their international flights. I expect Dan is being provided with his report card from some low level Xi functionary, or perhaps via the China ALP, and I expect it is reading quite well.
    Next task: close another power station.

  81. Chris M

    Turns out according to the CDC only around 9,200 Americans have died directly as a result of Wuhan virus, not 180,000.

  82. Cynic of Ayr

    Chris M
    No, not everyone is on a report. That’s just silly. But this lady sure is!
    And, the way the Vic Police are operating now, they’ll be out to get her, in some way. They can’t let this little defeat be left unattended to.
    Wasn’t always thus, but it sure as hell looks like it now!
    The video of the six of them assaulting the mentally struggling man says it all!
    “Hit him in the face with the hose again, so I can video it!”
    I wonder if he was going to post it on FaceBook? Nah, he knows who’s looking at FaceBook.
    As far as the FaceBook thing goes, they said that got the info from FaceBook. It was a bit unclear, but it looked to me like they did not deny they got it from FB.
    See, they don’t want to actually lie on camera, just leave the truth unsaid.
    FaceBook is an abomination. Even that smarmy little prick Zuckerberg, when he started it all, said about the people who gave him their details for free, “Dumb Fucks!”
    And that about sums it up.

  83. Victorian police policing everything except crime.

  84. Nato

    2 police cars and 3 police?

    I’m sorry if i skipped through any previous comment talking about the big bloke at the back door with pending abuse investigations and his body camera turned off, but are we pretending he wasn’t there?

  85. kingston

    Are these the same cops who couldn’t stop that bloke doing circles and wheelies outside the Central Rail Station last year? Now, they would have stepped in and stopped him for being more than 5 kms from home.

  86. Mr Johnson:

    It’s all about the intimidation, and the police knew exactly what they were doing by showing up in force. I’m a huge supporter of the police, but this is pathetic.

    I react fairly aggressively to attempted intimidation.
    Someone who attempts to intimidate me is not trying to get into my good books.
    So I behave accordingly.

  87. Frank:

    What must people actually get out of using Facebook?

    I’ve been using my page for about 18 months as a news aggregator. I post no personal information or photos – apart from when the cat does something spectacularly stupid.
    I’ve got a slowly widening group of family who appreciate the stuff I put up, because:
    1. They don’t have time to chase stuff up, and
    2. They see stuff that doesn’t make it to air.

  88. The BigBlueCat

    While I think there might be more to this story, it certainly looks to be getting insane.

    But is this right? Are VicPol actually surveilling what people are writing on public platforms in order to find “reason” to harrass them? And under the emergency provisions entering private properties to interrogate people on what they allegedly wrote? Take away those provisions and VicPol would be acting unlawfully.

    FMD – if VicPol has to ask what was written, then they have no evidence. If you have no evidence, you have no reasonable suspicion, and (I would suggest) under the emergency provisions you have no justification to endanger someone’s safety and freedoms using said emergency provisions that are supposed to protect us from COVID-19.

    I would respectively ask to speak to the sergeant in charge of this lot, and also respectfully request that no questions be asked or answered without my lawyer being present. If they arrest me without reasonable suspicion, wouldn’t that be a wrongful arrest?

    What is disturbing is that each one of those VicPol members was armed, with the officer asking the questions frequently putting his hand to his holster. Plus there was backup!! And all because they are investigating something they (by their own admission) didn’t have any direct evidence of. What a waste of time and resources. And worse if the officer asking the questions decided to arrest the woman involved – hell, she could have been shot! And all over a post that the officer seemingly had no wording for.

    Someone in VicPol needs to be disciplined for this. Let’s start at the top.

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