Tony Abbott discusses the Chinese flu

Found at our ABC so it must contain some negative message I fail to see. You can see how sensible Tony is by the fact that the ABC runs him: Tony Abbott urges against coronavirus restrictions, argues ‘uncomfortable questions’ need to be asked.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott has called for COVID-19 restrictions to be relaxed, arguing officials have become trapped in “crisis mode” and that governments need to consider “uncomfortable questions” about the number of deaths they are prepared to live with.

“From a health perspective, this pandemic has been serious. From an economic perspective, it’s been disastrous,” he said.

“But I suspect that it’s from an overall wellbeing perspective that it will turn out worst of all. Because this is what happens when for much more than a mere moment, we let fear of falling sick stop us from being fully alive.

“Now that each one of us has had six months to consider this pandemic, and to make our own judgements about it, surely it’s time to relax the rules so that individuals can take more personal responsibility and make more of their own decisions about the risks they’re prepared to run.”

His key points:

  • Mr Abbott said governments approached the pandemic like “trauma doctors instead of thinking like health economists”
  • He accused Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews of wanting to extend a “health dictatorship” by pushing for an extension of state of emergency powers
  • He said the media had spread “virus hysteria” and people should be allowed to make their own decisions
  • Speaking in London to the UK think tank Policy Exchange, Mr Abbott said the media had spread “virus hysteria” and people should be allowed to make their own decisions.

For the ABC Daniel Andrews is more their kind of guy.

RECALLING TONY ABBOTT’S FINEST HOUR: Which has been brought to mind by this: ‘MISOGYNIST’: FORMER PM TONY ABBOTT TORN APART BY [FEMALE PSEUDO-TORY] BRITISH POLITICIAN. Would she even know that Tony Abbott’s Chief of Staff was a woman? Or anything about his sister (see the wedding photo below)?

The moment was, of course, when he looked at his watch while Julia droned on. No one, of course, ever mentions how Kevin Rudd shoved her aside just before the 2013 election.

Newlyweds

See Tony Abbott’s sister Christine Forster marries long-time partner Virginia Flitcroft for further details.

I also do have to say that it is the ugliest photo I have ever seen of anyone that was put up by the BBC in that tweet of Ms Nokes.

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82 Responses to Tony Abbott discusses the Chinese flu

  1. For the ABC Daniel Andrews is more their kind of guy.

    Of course he is, Their ABC loves nothing more than despots.

  2. sfw

    Dunno what to make of Abbott, he talks the talk and it seems he means it. However when he had his chance he folded like a dropped sail. He had his chance and seems to be the only one who sees what has to be done but I doubt that given the chance he could do it. He failed miserably when he was at the peak of his power, what would he do now that would be different.

  3. candy

    He has raised the uncomfortable questions but no-one wants to hear them.

    Sadly, I don’t think Boris J. will go ahead with the trade job for Tony Abbott now. Abbott and Trump are similar in some ways, speaking their mind and clear ideas about things and the near totally Left media hate them. I doubt Boris J can cope with that.

  4. However when he had his chance he folded like a dropped sail.

    He was not only up against a hostile media and opposition, he was up against a hostile Liberal Party. Cabinet would have been against just about everything that he stood for and then some. Just look at who we got after Abbott and who we have now. How to you prevail against such a lot?

  5. H B Bear

    You can safely ignore anything a Lieboral says in London.

  6. Ruthm

    ABC Newsradio early this morning was reporting Abbott was advocating for letting the old who caught Kung Flu should be allowed to die, which was not an obvious conclusion I coud draw from the long exerpt of the speech they played a little later.

  7. Hay Stockard

    I agree with what Abbot said. Then again I agree with H B Bear above.

  8. Faye

    I am glad that Tony Abbott is now on the world stage! His clear thinking hones in to the very essence of complicated situations and gives an insightful analysis on how to fix the problem. All done with a concise delivery of a few well chosen words. President Trump would be aware of Tony’s valuable talents and sincerity and hopefully would call on him when needed.

  9. Steve

    http://tonyabbott.com.au/2017/10/transcript-hon-tony-abbott-mp-address-global-warming-policy-foundation-westminster-london/

    “To a party audience in country Victoria in October 2009, I observed that the so-called settled science of climate change was “absolute crap””

    Way to go……tell it how it really is

    climate change is just a trojan horse for UN-directed socialism

    Covid is exactly the same – its the storm troopers for climate chnage – we wouldnt bow to the original climate witch doctors, so now an engineered take down of our economy.

    The black-arts/satanic occultists who run the globalists are convinced our industrial economy is “hurting gaia” so they need to crash the global economy. Its the same mind set that Pol Pot , Mao & Stalin used to “re-educate” people in to see their “errors”….

    No difference really – all of society in misery…..no jobs…reliance on govt…..a perfect socialist world.

    Do we see a theme here?

    To any victorian reading this – seriously , at what point are you lot going to push back? When you are under permenant house arrest for a virus that in real terms has only killed 32 people ( 1/10th of the flu in 2019 ).

  10. Mother Lode

    Dunno what to make of Abbott, he talks the talk and it seems he means it. However when he had his chance he folded like a dropped sail.

    I don’t think he had the chance you might be thinking. To get things done he would have needed to get his party on board, and many of them were already in Trumble’s pocket and between the flies of Photios’ pants while others were so easily startled by scary press.

    Look at the mob there now – they weren’t any better back then.

    While in office he had to be careful and measured in what he said as well as did.

    He is not in parliament now and can say what he likes.

  11. Roger

    He failed miserably when he was at the peak of his power, what would he do now that would be different.

    He stopped the boats and axed the carbon tax, as promised.

    He failed after that in the face of opposition from within and without, but those two achievements alone should see him ranked as the greatest post-war PM after Menzies.

  12. Ed Case

    ***“From a health perspective, this pandemic has been serious.***
    He starts with a lie. Typical Abbott.
    People aged between 80 and 109 die from old age/ sickness all the time.
    Let’s dig up a few bodies, it’s just as likely everyone who ever died of illness tests positive to COVID-19.
    ***From an economic perspective, it’s been disastrous,” he said.***
    Well, at least we found out that Government can afford to pay the Unemployed a Living Wage.
    Why wouldn’t they?
    At least 65% of every dollar earned is gouged back by Taxes, they’ve created the Unemployment disaster, why shouldn’t they fund it properly?

  13. James

    I think the negative message is simply that the writer feels there is no better way to besmirch an idea in the minds of ABC readers than to report it as coming from the erstwhile PM. (“Only conspiracy theories and onion eaters would believe that!”)

    Which is probably correct in regards to the core ABC audience, but non-paywalled articles do have a habit of wandering off into the wider internet to find more sympathetic readers.

  14. Roger

    those two achievements alone should see him ranked as the greatest post-war PM after Menzies.

    Not exactly a field of high achievers, I’ll grant you.

  15. Steve

    Hi TAFKAS,

    This is worth a read:

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-whole-scam-just-fell-apart-covid-test-overwhelming-number-of-false-posi

    “”That would be bad enough. But the truth is, the PCR test is not able to produce ANY reliable number that reflects how much virus a person is carrying. A lot, a little, it doesn’t matter.

    “The test has never been validated, in a large-scale study, for the ability to quantify the amount of virus a person is carrying. I’ve proposed how that study should be done IN THE REAL WORLD, NOT IN THE LAB.

    “THIS VALIDATION OF THE PCR HAS NEVER BEEN DONE.

    “Therefore, the claim that the PCR can determine how much virus is in a human is completely and utterly unproven. Period.

    Its all about to come crashing down.

    Dont forget, according to the US CDC, 94% of “covid deaths” are from not-related-to-covid illnesses. Oh dear….

    And dont also forget most of the deaths are from amongst the elderly – uh oh again. So why are the health locked up in a huge open air prison and forced to wear face nappies/diapers while Dangerous runs around proclaiming another 6 months of Stalag Victoria?

  16. Steve

    And double uh oh…..but some juicy economics for mine host:

    https://www.revolver.news/2020/08/study-covid-19-lockdowns-deadlier-than-pandemic-itself/

    “Accordingly, Revolver News set out to commission a study to do precisely that: to finally quantify the net damage of the lockdowns in terms of a metric known as “life-years.”

    “Simply put, we have drawn upon existing economic studies on the health effects of unemployment to calculate an estimate of how many years of life will have been lost due to the lockdowns in the United States, and have weighed this against an estimate of how many years of life will have been saved by the lockdowns. The results are nothing short of staggering, and suggest that the lockdowns will end up costing Americans over 10 times as many years of life as they will save from the virus itself.

    “The COVID-19 lockdown measures that Americans have had to endure for the greater part of 2020 represent one of the most dramatic, consequential, and damaging policy measures undertaken in this nation’s history. For the first time in its history, America has experienced a situation so crippling and perilous that long term financial and social stability have been legitimately threatened.

  17. Matt

    “Dont forget, according to the US CDC, 94% of “covid deaths” are from not-related-to-covid illnesses. Oh dear….”
    Oh dear is right.

  18. dover_beach

    ABC Newsradio early this morning was reporting Abbott was advocating for letting the old who caught Kung Flu should be allowed to die, which was not an obvious conclusion I coud draw from the long exerpt of the speech they played a little later.

    Indeed.

  19. “Sensible” Tony Abbott wants your grandmas to die alone in agony so that Telstra shareholders get more franking credits. What a psycho.

  20. To any victorian reading this – seriously , at what point are you lot going to push back?

    They are pushing back, but the brown shirts and SS are armed and the citizens are not.

  21. What a psycho.

    Indeed you are, supporting the head psycho of Victoristan who has literally killed hundreds due to his ineptitude.

  22. sfw

    Abbott won the election with a great majority, that is when astute leaders use their power to dominate the party. If he had chosen ministers wisely and used his polling and election victory to force the party to his will. If you wait like he did, placate your enemies and sell your core supporters out (18c) you just end up on the back foot. For a supposed fighter he went soft every time the opposite was required. His fan club boys, just can’t see it, to them it was everyone elses fault. Problem is Australia still suffers for it.

  23. If he had chosen ministers wisely and used his polling and election victory to force the party to his will.

    Unfortunately the gene pool he had to select a Cabinet from was quite poor, as we have seen since his departure. List the simply outstanding Liberals currently in Cabinet.

  24. H B Bear

    Abbott is basically Malcolm Fraser on a pushbike.

  25. H B Bear

    He wasn’t helped by Sloppy Joe, a fat albatross dangling round his neck.

  26. sfw

    So the gene pool was poor, all the more reason to really stamp your authority, strike when you are at your strongest. Plus the weak gene pool didn’t force him to fold on 18c, he did that all by himself. I suppose you were happy to ‘take one for the team’.

  27. Sinclair Davidson

    I’m not convinced this is a case of letting people die. It is a case that they will dies despite anyone’s efforts if they are susceptible to COVID. This isn’t an ‘elderly’ thing – this is a comorbidity thing.

  28. dover_beach

    “Sensible” Tony Abbott wants your grandmas to die alone in agony

    This was/ is happening now in hospitals/ aged care under the lockdown where even net of kin aren’t/weren’t allowed to visit. As usual, the Left is actually doing what they are accusing others of doing/wanting.

  29. Neil

    Abbott is basically Malcolm Fraser on a pushbike.

    Just to play devils advocate Abbott did stop the boats. In July 2013 we got 4,000 boat arrivals. If that rate kept up we would be getting 50,000 boat people/year. And that rate was increasing. Could be 100,000/yr if not for Abbott.

    And he changed Labors FTTP thought up on a plane flight in 2009 which would cost who knows what finished who knows when

    So Abbott did something

  30. notafan

    If you read the thirteen doctor’s letter It is clear that isolation is already killing the elderly.

    Loneliness depression reduced nutritional intake, death.

  31. all the more reason to really stamp your authority

    Were our system of government so easy. Perhaps he should have been more aggressive, but that wasn’t his nature and members of his party took advantage, the Turdball being the worst offender. Much good it did him in the end.

    I suspect that Abbott will never become like the sad and desiccated mental pygmies that Turdball, Fraser (the other Malcolm), Keating and Rudd have turned out to be, forever resentful of the glory that was denied them. Mock Abbott as much as you like, but he was a better man than all of the others combined.

  32. dover_beach

    Monty had nothing to say about the elderly with COVID refused care at the Royal Melbourne Hospital that were instead sedated in their nursing homes to prevent them wandering about. No, he believes Abbott wants to smother them with a pillow.

  33. Lee

    “Sensible” Tony Abbott wants your grandmas to die alone in agony so that Telstra shareholders get more franking credits. What a psycho.

    So what about my 93 year-old mother in a nursing home in Melbourne?
    She doesn’t have Covid-19, but because of your Labor mates (Dictator Dan in particular, whom I squarely put the blame on for the second wave in Victoria, with his so-called “security”) she is all “alone”, as you put it, because I and my siblings have not been allowed to visit her for more than two months.

  34. I’m not convinced this is a case of letting people die. It is a case that they will die despite anyone’s efforts if they are susceptible to COVID. This isn’t an ‘elderly’ thing – this is a comorbidity thing.

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die? Will the LNP convene panels of pencil-necked actuaries to pass mathematical judgement on who is economically valued enough to live?

  35. notafan

    Yesterday’s update added 33 additional nursing home deaths not previously reported.

    Without evidence to contrary none of those were hospitalized.

    Dhhs media updated a couple of weeks ago were saying how many died in hospital how many in aged care but they stopped.

    Palliative care or effort to cure?

    File under questions journalists never ask

  36. H B Bear

    As soon as they were allowed (ie by anyone other than Gillard and the Liars) the Royal Navy did exactly what they could have done at any time.

    Boats and boaties were alway a policy problem caused mainly by the Liar left. As soon as a “refugee” handed over a bundle of cash and did not end up in Australia he was on the mobile phone to his mates and the market vanished. If it wasn’t Abbott it could have been anyone.

  37. Rex Anger

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die? Will the LNP convene panels of pencil-necked actuaries to pass mathematical judgement on who is economically valued enough to live?

    I shouldn’t worry too hard, mUntz. They wrote you off some time ago.

    Ditto your beloved Comrades…

  38. I have spent some of today typing up a funeral notice for my neighbour’s 74-year-old dad who died of COVID days ago. She didn’t get to visit her dad because the virus took him suddenly – it was three days between positive test and death. She was prepared to put herself into quarantine to see him, but the bloody bug was too quick for even that (and I doubt she would have been allowed to).

    The lockdown is happening for good reasons, and particularly good when it comes to the elderly. The problems in nursing homes are happening due to the privatisation of aged care under Howard, meaning the joints are run for profit not maximum care, so they are under-resourced and relying on workers at or near the poverty line who can’t afford to stay home when sick. Look to Morrison for responsibility for aged care, not Andrews.

  39. Neil

    “Sensible” Tony Abbott wants your grandmas to die alone in agony so that Telstra shareholders get more franking credits. What a psycho.

    Only a psycho would make comment like that

  40. OldOzzie

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3569095, posted on September 2, 2020 at 5:04 pm
    I’m not convinced this is a case of letting people die. It is a case that they will dies despite anyone’s efforts if they are susceptible to COVID. this is a comorbidity thing..

    Sinclair,

    as a 75+ with comorbidity problems. I agree with you above, and Tony Abbott – we have screwed Australia for no reason

    I am responsible for my own life, and I have HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate for Belt/Braces Cover

    I live with Wife, Youngest Daughter, her Husband and 3 Grandkids, who are at school and kindy and catch school bus occasionally

    I go to Lunch weekly with my Geriatric Mates, but we sit outside, but have deferred till 15 Sept for restart

    I am at Hospital 2-4 times every 3 weeks, and at the moment get a lift or drive rather than the usual Public Transport – I put on a Mask as I enter Hospital and take it off as I leave, and as they have sanitiser everywhere do so regularly, as do the nurses and staff.

    “We are not in this together”, as the Magistrates in Victoria going for a rise during lockdown has shown.

    The Power Trip by State Premiers and Sco Mo has shown how precarious is Freedoom

    The Taxation to get us out of this hole will horrendous.

    We need to open the economy totally, looking after the vulnerable aged and others, who are unable to look after themselves and let the young and the Australian economy get on with life

    I am responsible for my life.

  41. Entropy

    m0nty
    #3569145, posted on September 2, 2020 at 5:29 pm
    I’m not convinced this is a case of letting people die. It is a case that they will die despite anyone’s efforts if they are susceptible to COVID. This isn’t an ‘elderly’ thing – this is a comorbidity thing.

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die? Will the LNP convene panels of pencil-necked actuaries to pass mathematical judgement on who is economically valued enough to live?

    What are you saying Monty? That there are only options, a draconian lockdown or open slather?
    Now, I think you a likeable chap, but please don’t be a fucking idiot.

  42. Lee

    Monty, your mate Andrews is ultimately responsible for the badly bungled security schemozzle which is too blame for 99% of the second wave in Victoria.
    As premier he signs off on decisions like that, and he has to wear it, not Morrison or even (LOL) Howard.

    The lockdown is happening for good reasons

    That’s your opinion, even world-leading epidemiologists previously in favour of it admit it was a mistake now.

    and particularly good when it comes to the elderly.

    For the “elderly”, yes, for the young, middle-aged, and fit, no.

  43. H B Bear

    mUnty why is there no problem in aged care outside Victoriastan? mOron.

  44. Matt

    Maybe they have 94% more co-morbidities in Victoria? That must be it.

  45. Squirrel

    I think he’s quite right about the role of the MSM in stirring up virus hysteria, and serving as mouthpieces for populist, panic mongering politicians.

    This virus has been an absolute Godsend for the MSM – at a time when they’ve been fighting a losing battle against loss of readers/viewers/listeners (mainly to the benefit of social media) this has put them back on centre stage.

  46. dover_beach

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die?

    Completely idiotic. We should allow people to continue their lives as much as possible while doing our best to prevent transmission of COVID to the elderly and others who have comorbidities that place them at risk. The choices available are not only business as usual and lockdown however much clowns such as yourself want to argue as such.

  47. Bullshit monty, I remember your “dead dog”.

  48. Iampeter

    Yes! Tony Abbott to the rescue!
    Remember how he got rid of the ABC, dismantled all those government departments, cut all that government spending, got rid of the RET and green legislation – eh, that his own previous government put in place to begin with?
    Oh wait, no, he’s a big government leftist who would probably be implementing even more draconian and far reaching lockdowns if in office.

    But the sheer shamelessness of this guy.

  49. sfw

    I’m not’ mocking’ Abbott,I was a elated when he won,He looked the goods for a while with the boats then the wheels fell off. I still don’t believe that he understands how much he damaged himself and his base with his giving up on 18c. He did it to please people who would never vote for him and shit in his supporters faces at the same time.Probably the greatest own goal for a modern PM.

  50. Finally Peter gets something right.

    You can teach a dog to do something other than to piss and bark.

  51. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #3569038, posted on September 2, 2020 at 4:26 pm
    “Sensible” Tony Abbott wants your grandmas to die alone in agony

    That has already happened under Dan of the Dead. Are you going to condemn Dan of the Dead also? Or are you just a typical fascist left hypocrite?

    I think that the answer is obvious!

  52. Boambee John

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die?

    Overweight donut gobblers are in the second group.

  53. Neil

    If it wasn’t Abbott it could have been anyone.

    But it was Abbott who stopped the boats and nobody else. We got 4,000 boat people in July 2013 and numbers were rapidly increasing. The ALP could not stop a single fishing boat

    And if Abbott/Turnbull did not change Labors NBN thought up on a plane flight in 2009 half the country would still be on ADSL

  54. sfw

    Neil, I’d be happy to still have my ADSL, the NBN that I was compelled to change over to is no faster and at least a third more expensive. Not happy at all.

  55. Bronson

    Monty – how sad, too bad, never mind.

  56. Neil

    Neil, I’d be happy to still have my ADSL, the NBN that I was compelled to change over to is no faster and at least a third more expensive. Not happy at all.

    If Abbott/Turnbull (BTW the only thing Turnbull did was good) did not change Labors 93% of the country FTTP who knows what we would be paying. Nothing wrong with fibre but it is expensive and slow to build

  57. Tim Neilson

    Which class of people is deemed to be worth saving and which is to die? Will the LNP convene panels of pencil-necked actuaries to pass mathematical judgement on who is economically valued enough to live?

    Fat turds who won’t get on the exercise bike and reduce their own risk factors have a zero weighting in the calculations.

  58. Tim Neilson

    Apart from fat turds who deserve to die…
    M0nty, do you really think that society has the resources to protect every person from every risk?
    Have you ever wondered why countries without functioning first world economies don’t have functioning first world health systems?
    Has it ever occurred to you that countries without functioning first world health systems are places where lots of people die very young in hideous ways?
    Are you willing to state unequivocally on this site that Australia’s economy cannot be destroyed no matter how much the government suppresses it?

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “sfw
    #3569312, posted on September 2, 2020 at 6:42 pm
    I’m not’ mocking’ Abbott,I was a elated when he won,He looked the goods for a while with the boats then the wheels fell off. I still don’t believe that he understands how much he damaged himself and his base with his giving up on 18c. He did it to please people who would never vote for him and shit in his supporters faces at the same time.Probably the greatest own goal for a modern PM.

    An accurate assessment and one that I agree with wholeheartedly.

  60. We should allow people to continue their lives as much as possible while doing our best to prevent transmission of COVID to the elderly and others who have comorbidities that place them at risk.

    They tried that in Sweden. Their outbreak is way worse than ours, and their recession is deeper than ours.

    If the government says “let ‘er rip” like they did in Sweden, then you get most of the population self-isolating anyway due to personal desire not to die or to kill others, so you get the recession anyway, plus you get irresponsible dickheads spreading the plague and killing in greater numbers. So there is no way to thread that needle, either you do lockdown and take the economic hit, or you allow the outbreak to fester until it is so bad that you lockdown too late and take a worse economic hit.

    I understand a wish to have it both ways, but this virus doesn’t allow it.

  61. H B Bear

    Neil don’t your arms get tired from waving pom-poms for the Lieborals? They are not as bad as the Liars and that’s about it.

  62. Neil

    Neil don’t your arms get tired from waving pom-poms for the Lieborals? They are not as bad as the Liars and that’s about it.

    I agree. But Howard/Costello were great

    Govt debt was zero in 1972 then Whitlam trashed the budget and debt reached 7% of GDP by 1983. It reached 18% of GDP by 1996.

    In one of the greatest achievements in Australian history Howard/Costello were running surplus budgets by 1997 and debt reached zero by 2005 and unemployment reached 4% by 2007

  63. *The virus doesn’t allow it*

    It is less worse than the flu. You are arguing for permanent lockdown.

    What you need to do is literally halve your weight.

  64. notafan

    Monty

    Yes

    Even before any lockdown in March people were staying home and the economy was affected.

    Which tells you none of this heavy handed crap was necessary.

    The vunerable self isolate.

    Everyone gets on with it.

    Oh and Sweden admitted they didn’t do enough to protect aged care residents. Didn’t implement rules until 1 April.

    What’s Dan’s excuse?

    And don’t say federal. DHHS updated residential care rules on 22 July. As they legally could.

  65. notafan

    And yes Monty if you are vunerable self isolating long term might be what you have to do.

    Herd immunity might have already been here if Dan had let adults be adults.

  66. The vunerable self isolate.
    Everyone gets on with it.

    That demonstrably does not work. Sweden is the prime example. The experiment was performed, and it failed.

    Making excuses for Sweden now is in the vein of communists arguing that true communism has never been tried. Do you want to sound like a communist?

    Herd immunity might have already been here if Dan had let adults be adults.

    Herd immunity requires 60% infection, which means roughly 150,000 Australian deaths. Anyone advocating for herd immunity at this late stage is either very, very stupid, or a psychopath.

  67. EllenG

    Let’s see. What policy did Tony pursue as PM? Paid parental leave. Did it get up? No. is there another note on his scorecard? No.
    Can’t we allow hi to RIP? Please.

  68. EllenG

    Earth to Kates: if you don’t like ugly stay away from mirrors. Just a tip from a Sheila.

  69. monty the Swedish dead were mostly because of palliative care/euthenasia.

    The health authorities have received many complaints about how elderly relatives were treated. A consistent theme is that nursing home residents with suspected Covid-19 were immediately placed on palliative care and given morphine and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.

    “People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”

    https://www.bioedge.org/bioethics/questions-raised-about-swedens-covid-19-policy-on-nursing-homes/13479

  70. dover_beach

    How can we say the experiment has failed when the experiment is ongoing? They’re still in it, as are we.

  71. candy

    and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.

    This sounds pretty weird, starving and dehydrating an elderly person already ill. I find it a bit hard to believe.

    It’s not about the corona in this case if so – the nursing homes might be carrying out some kind of euthanasia. Are the Swedish somewhat uncaring to their elderly as a rule. Is there a cultural thing.

    How could they possibly deny a sick patient fluids? I am skeptical about any reports about it all. So hard to get the truth.

  72. Boambee John

    Making excuses for Sweden now is in the vein of communists arguing that true communism has never been tried. Do you want to sound like a communist?

    So says m0nty, who has previously refused many times to condemn the crimes of communism.

    Nothing like a bit of personal fear to focus the mind, is there m0nty?

  73. How can we say the experiment has failed when the experiment is ongoing? They’re still in it, as are we.

  74. dover_beach

    Yes, a convincing depiction of the Australian economy, monty.

  75. Ubique

    Tony Abbott saved thousands of lives in stopping the boats. Malcolm Fraser did exactly the opposite in his support for Robert Mugabe.

  76. John snowy Bowyer

    Call me suspicious but the one thing I have not seen is a run down on who owned the security company the Victorian gave the bulk of the work to that turned so spectacularly to custard? I am always interested in what MSM do not tell me rather than what those reptiles tell me.
    Anyone any idea?

  77. egg_

    Wise after the fact – but better late than never.

  78. egg_

    Call me suspicious but the one thing I have not seen is a run down on who owned the security company the Victorian gave the bulk of the work to

    Contractors and Recruiters interviewed on 60 Minutes seemed to be Subcontinentals – but many Security firms are Leb owned?

  79. egg_

    Mr Abbott said governments approached the pandemic like “trauma doctors instead of thinking like health economists”

    Playing Roulette with the Economy, all in the name of “risk”.
    Da ironing.

  80. egg_

    NEARER MY GOD TO THEE – Pickering Postwww.pickeringpost.com › News
    Dec 21, 2013 – Has Tony Abbott been having some deep and meaningfuls with his God? … But seriously, none of this magnanimity was shown Abbott in …

  81. PB

    He has “poor” views.

    Again, the vagocracy has spoken.

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