The insane and the invisible

The insane is obvious. The invisible is the Liberal Leader of the Opposition in Victoria, in fact virtually the entire Liberal Party within the state. The whole world can see what a massive disaster is unfolding. This however is the mealy-mouthed pusillanimous statement produced by the Victorian Opposition about the arrest of a woman in Ballarat for her Facebook notice of an impending protest that the entire world has been condemning:

Thursday 3 September 2020

Statement from Shadow Minister for Police & Community Safety 

Victorians across the state have been deeply concerned by footage of the arrest of a woman in Miners Rest on charges of incitement relating to a planned anti-lockdown protested in Ballarat on Saturday.

Victoria Police continue to perform an outstanding job in difficult circumstances yet the community rightly expects consistency of enforcement and everyone to be treated equally before the law.

This arrest stands in clear contrast the Andrews Labor Governments green light to 10,000 Black Lives Matter protesters in June and 250 CFMMEU members protesting at a Hawthorn East worksite in July, events which sent a clear signal to every Victorian that it is ok to protest as long as it is not against Premier Daniel Andrews.

Current COVID-19 restrictions are in place to protect the health and safety of the community. With new COVID-19 cases remaining stubbornly high and more Victorian lives and livelihoods lost every dayno one should be protesting in public or encouraging others to deliberately breach the Chief Health Officers directions.

This incident has demonstrated an unacceptable inconsistency in the enforcement of COVID-19 restrictions and Daniel Andrews must now answer why it is one set of rules for left-wing and union protesters and another set for anyone critical of his government.

This is near on the most cowardly statement I have ever seen from any opposition in my life anywhere over an issue that should be infuriating anyone with a liberal soul. This is what allows Daniel Andrews to get away with murder. Where’s the outrage? Where’s the fury? Where is the defence of our freedoms? Where’s the condemnation of the grossly disproportionate actions taken by the Andrews Labor Government?

The Liberal Party owns this disaster almost as much as Labor for its profound weakness and its clear inability, as with Daniel Andrews, to understand any of the issues which are infuriating at least half the state and millions more in the rest of Australia never mind everywhere else.

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82 Responses to The insane and the invisible

  1. pbw

    In Queensland the LNP ppposition cruises to defeat at the end of October with nary a murmur in defence of the fundamental necessities of a representative democracy. Their cowardice is only less marked than that of the Victorian opposition because the number of “cases” has not yet risen to the point where the Queensland police state has been fully realised.

    hard and crushing news for the people of Victoria

    Really, Scomo? Just now? Only Craig Kelly in the federal government had said “boo” about this deliberate suppression of political and social rights. Where are the crusading “conservatives” in Canberra? Looking after their pre-selections and prospects for advancement, that’s where.

    Federal Parliament sat for one day in April, three days on May, seven(!) days in June, no days in July, five days in August, and three days this month. No further sittings are scheduled this month. All of this during the greatest crisis (self-inflicted) this country has faced since the second world war.

    Three cheers for our Westminster system. Three cheers for the Constitution.

  2. rickw

    The Uniparty owns this disaster.

  3. NoFixedAddress

    Three cheers for our Westminster system. Three cheers for the Constitution.

    sounds like ‘incitement’ right there

  4. NoFixedAddress

    stop giving the zombies money

  5. NoFixedAddress

    Victorian Liberal Party are absolute and utter filth

    The Australian Minister for Health – Greg Hunt Division of Flinders
    went to Melbourne Law School where he won a prize for a final-year thesis he co-authored, titled A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay.

  6. Ozman

    Daniel Michael Andrews–waiting to be arraigned for murder, treason and charges of corruption–has gone all in to crater the Victorian state economy. Failure is not an option, according to the Australian newspaper, as the sociopathic premier slowly but surely strangles his victims, still expecting that his comrades from the corrupt Chinese Communist Party will be able to loan the Victorian Government $24 billion, to assist the worldwide expansion of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). Having a weak Prime Minister without much backbone–privately known as floppy–the Victorian Premier is confident that he will be able to yank the chair from under him when he attempts to appear upright and in control.

    Already there are 100 countries indebted to the corrupt Chinese Communist Party, because treacherous national parliamentary traitors have sold out their countries for personal gain.

    The New Tang Dynasty reports.

  7. Jannie

    And yet Andrews sees himself as the saviour of an ungrateful people. No matter what evidence on the mortality of Covid is presented it does not matter, he will always say we didn’t know all the facts and couldn’t take the risk. The cautionary principle now means you can be expected to be locked up if the have the flu.

  8. NoFixedAddress

    where is the communist vikpol investigation and arrests of the so called quarantine guards?

  9. Peter Sandery

    It amazes me too, the abject acceptance of such an abrogation of citizens’ fundamental rights. I thought, perhaps it might just be me and the fact that I have spent my entire working life overseas, but posts like this one and James Allan’s observation give me hope.

  10. egg_

    The Uniparty owns this disaster.

    +1

    WHO whores to the fore.

    SloMo was rolled in the National Cabinet on borders by WA.
    /Cuck Morrison from Marketing

  11. egg_

    Victard Global embarrassment at the opening

  12. egg_

    Federal Parliament sat for one day in April, three days on May, seven(!) days in June, no days in July, five days in August, and three days this month. No further sittings are scheduled this month. All of this during the greatest crisis (self-inflicted) this country has faced since the second world war.

    Sounds like Abbott and Credlin in the bunker.
    Speaking of Doomsday Preppers.

  13. Scott Osmond

    The by factional ruling party in action again. They used to do it so much better. If they don’t lift their game they may find themselves facing a real opposition party.

  14. notafan

    I’ve seen quite a bit of vigorous opposition to Andrews from vic state lnp politicians. Perhaps you aren’t looking in all the right places.

  15. egg_

    The Uniparty owns this disaster.

    +1

    WHO whores to the fore.

    WHOres-R-Us

  16. TPL001

    Whether insane or not, it matter not. Whether he is pursuing a supra-state agenda, it matters not. It is happening. If none of the former, then it is as as the sub-headline states “failure is not an option.” But it has and will continue to fail, badly.

    He will fall on his sword, hand the podium to someone else, depart and in his memoirs or at some point say, “sorry” (and use a lame excuse that the science directed him; though he has not responded to the letter by Greg Wells and 500 doctors to the effect that this is a wrong approach). If this is not also being felt by 16,000 or so members the Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch), I would be surprised.

    If his devoted followers do not wake up, they, too, will suffer from the scorched-earth policy. If Victorians do not wake up, then they will be forced to by the removal of Job Keeper – this will cause the Federal (and all other states) to turn against this scorched-earth policy. There is no way that we can continue and reach 30-50 average daily cases by 28 September. Nor will we reach 5 cases a day after that.

    Because he has parliamentary support, it will continue. Because he has the support of his devoted followers, it will continue. The scorched-earth policy will continue. But something will give!

  17. egg_

    Q. Could Andrews have only come to prominence in Victoriastan?

  18. egg_

    the letter by Greg Wells and 500 doctors to the effect that this is a wrong approach

    Did they object to Lockdan 1.0?
    /Crickets

  19. Eyrie

    A small ray of hope. Saw it on the news last night. Apparently John Paul Langbroek published a cartoon critical of the lockdowns and there were howls for his resignation/firing from the usual suspects.
    Normally this would result in abject apologies from all concerned in the LNP but both Langbroek and Freckles stood their ground and did not apologise. Freckles defended well in a short interview.

  20. 132andBush

    The sole reason most lnp members are there is for the superannuation/benefits.
    You don’t need a spine for that.

  21. The Victoristan Liberal Party is guaranteeing another Labor Party win. People have been saying that Andrews won’t be contesting the next election. Why not, given that he’ll most likely have a resounding win when there is no opposition voice to be heard?

  22. TPL001

    Unfortunately the AMA support it. But Greg Wells and the 500 state that — it began as a letter from around 16 doctors — while the virus has to be addressed, mortality is mainly in the above 60 age group (which has been obvious for quite a while, in addition to health-care workers). He states, on Sky News, “If you’re under 65 years of age, then the chance of dying from the virus is markedly decreased, it’s about one in 150,000”. That comports with the CDC’s findings, that, only around 9,000 (or less than 10%) of the 180,000 some deaths is the US, die from pure Covid-19; the rest were due to 2.6 comorbidities and Covid-19. Which means that they should be testing for Covid-19 and the attendant comorbidities. But this government is targetting an elimination strategy.

    That said, Wells and his colleagues are concerned not only for this group, which need to be addressed, but for the many who are not receiving medical treatment. General referrals are down 70%. We know of a number families who do not have citizenship, employment or income (because they do not qualify for Centrelink). No income! And Jim, from Jim’s mowing, is furious, knows of hundreds of franchisees who are doing it hard, a couple with one suicide and another in an extreme medical state.

    The test of character, for a nation, is how well it looks after the weak, powerless and vulnerable. The irony, here, is that it is the Victorian ALP, apparently the harbinger of social justice, who are pursuing a scorched earth policy of virus elimination.

  23. Mark M

    And there it is … 97% science …

    Fauci goes full pseudoscience: COVID-19 is due to “extreme backlashes from nature”
    “Creative harmony with nature” is the key to solving our problems, Fauci says in new paper.

    https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/fauci-goes-full-pseudoscience-covid

  24. Mother Lode

    Fauci goes full pseudoscience: COVID-19 is due to “extreme backlashes from nature”

    More of this sentient Gaia crap.

    What was that Chesterton quote again? Ah, yes:

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    Even if people like Fauci were not believers, the people around them kept them steady – like the moon, the orbit of which steadies the angular momentum of the Earth and without which our axis would be wobbling wildly and calamitously.

    But he is surrounded by other people who believe in nothing and their combined gullibility creates a moronic whole that exceeds even the sum of its foolish parts.

  25. mem

    As long as the Libs go along with the great global warming lie they are condemned to be weak and mealy-mouthed shadow fighters.

  26. Perfidious Albino

    A small minority of the State libs have been quite robust eg: Tim Smith, but even they fall at the last by not supporting any protests because of the virus, Andrews and the overblown ‘crisis’ have them cowed.

  27. mh

    Australians may wish to find solace at Shrine of Remembrance.

    Uh oh

  28. I’ll bet once this blows over, the Libs will be all noise about how poorly this was handled; like retired generals who suddenly find a voice to criticise their previous employer. People will rightly wonder why now and not when the battle was raging?

  29. PB

    “People will rightly wonder why now and not when the battle was raging?”

    Why? Because democracy has been relegated to the realm of performance art by shadow puppets while those who pull the strings move forward unimpeded. They manage our choices and, through their media control, manage our opinions.

  30. Dianeh

    The LNP should be more than supporting the protests, they should be turning up to them.

    It would give a clear distinction between the parties and it will provide a forum for attacking the premier over the suicides, closed businesses, reliance on welfare from the federal government, support of freedoms and ffs call out this linking to climate change as the bs that it is.

    They would be attacked from all sides but would be in the news and then fight back hard, so that everyone can see that there are different ways to combat this virus. A roadmap out of the shit, that will actually be achievable would also be handy.

  31. flyingduk

    The test of character, for a nation, is how well it looks after the weak, powerless and vulnerable

    Ah that old chestnut! The test of character, for an individual, is how well they look after themselves…

  32. Struth

    Look at the language.

    If everything went perfectly and not one covid case was found in Australia for the next couple of months the best we are told we will be allowed is “covid normal”, until there is a vaccine.
    This is what was stated.

    Do you understand the gravity of that very sinister term they are now starting to use?

    God, the government are spelling it out for you.

    They are saying, no matter what, full freedoms will never be returned and once we have you all under our control by checking your papers for a fake vaccine for a fake disease, (or at least nothing more than a cold), slowly we’ll drop the propaganda about the virus, and invent other viruses or hoops to jump through before you are allowed to do anything.
    Complete Chinese style Communism.

    They are now telling us straight out.

    To get out of Lock down, you must accept communist totalitarian control.

    You are not going to be free either way, because covid normal won’t involve leaving the country, shaking hands with anyone, gathering in large numbers, going maskless or having parties etc.
    This only will end in bloodshed, unfortunately.

  33. mh

    I’ll bet once this blows over…

    Blows over? Really?
    Morrison announced the emergency measures on March 12. We are now well into September with no sign of these emergency measures ever being wound back.
    Dickhead Dan has Morrison wrapped around his little finger.

  34. sfw

    Unless Dan resigns or is pushed, or Morrison finds his balls and cuts off the money this will continue indefinitely. Victorians this is your roadmap.
    No Christmas, no summer holidays, no beach, no birthdays, no funerals, no weddings, no christenings, no nights out, no BBQs, no water sports, no sport at all, no events, no jobs, no shops, it just gets longer. Your asset values will soon plunge, unless you are a gov employee no future. No schools, no social life at all.

    I don’t know how Neil Mitchell manages to do his morning talk show, they must have implanted a microphone in Dan Andrews arse for Mitchell to use.

  35. mh

    Unless Dan resigns or is pushed, or Morrison finds his balls and cuts off the money this will continue indefinitely. Victorians this is your roadmap.
    No Christmas, no summer holidays, no beach, no birthdays, no funerals, no weddings, no christenings, no nights out, no BBQs, no water sports, no sport at all, no events, no jobs, no shops, it just gets longer. Your asset values will soon plunge, unless you are a gov employee no future. No schools, no social life at all.

    I expect a lot of good Melbourne housing will end up with ChiComs.
    And Victorians will welcome their new masters. Or else.

  36. Ceres

    Agree the shadow police minister’s statement was wimpy but Sky has Michael O’Brien on (articulate but needs a bit more mongrel) Tim Smith (he has the mongrel and cuts through) and Georgie Crozier is good. Apparently the Libs call a press conference and journalists don’t turn up so it’s hard to get the message out.
    Andrews is now covid obsessed and will never back down, so yes it’s razing us here in Victoria to the ground.
    The absurd numbers he is touting won’t be obtained and so it will be lockdown for ever until the Feds step in and withhold money or thousands march. Andrews will of course say, hang on vaccine around corner.

  37. mh

    Remember “SnapBack”?

    Don’t hear that from Josh anymore.

  38. yarpos

    Stage 3 lockdown Melbourne > BLM protests in Melboune are fine , thousands gather, govt and police do nothing (apart from the puke inducing knee thing)

    Stage 3 lockdown Ballarat > Pregnant Mum just talks about a protest and Dans Covid Stormtroopers arrive and do the full stupid handcuff arrest and charge for thought crimes apparantly.

    Just another one to add to the list of incompetent, inconsistent and plain stupid actions by the govenment and its supporting cast. Note to Police: dont go with we are just doing our jobs, thats been used already quite badly as it turned out. Your “job” also includes observing basic human rights and having morals.

  39. sfw

    If the Libs wanted press coverage just call a public meeting on the steps of parliament house, say next Saturday at 2pm. Advice attendees to wear a muzzle etc and say it’s on!. Then let Andrews start arresting the Leader of the opposition and mp’s. That would bring things to a head but the Libs are gutless and really don’t have their hearts in this. Having the Leader of the Opposition calling a rally would be a master stroke.

  40. thefrollickingmole

    Still waiting for one reporter, just one, to reference the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT PANDEMIC PLAN 1999 which was apparently based on the best science available, to ask WTF are the premiers doing.
    https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/519F9392797E2DDCCA257D47001B9948/$File/w-AHMPPI-2019.PDF

    Lets pick just 2

    Vic government
    What has changed
    From 11:59pm on Sunday 2 August 2020, all Victorians must wear a face covering when they leave home, no matter where they live.

    IC3: Mask wearing by symptomatic individuals in the community
    Application: This measure may be considered by individuals when the disease has a high clinical severity.
    Objective and rationale: To reduce transmission within the broader community.
    Effectiveness: No evidence. Very few studies have been undertaken about the effectiveness of PPE in reducing infection in the community. Modelling studies of widespread PPE use suggest that mask use could reduce population transmission, although estimates of effectiveness are limited by the quality of data on individual effects. There is evidence from both clinical and modelling studies that earlier initiation of PPE improves its effectiveness.
    The evidence highlights that incorrect technique for wearing PPE is common. Mask wearing in the community is unlikely to affect overall attack rates from a pandemic unless disease transmissibility is low, compliance with the measure by the majority of the population is high, and the measure is used in association with other pandemic mitigation strategies.

    WA and nearly every other mongoloid state with a closed border.

    B13: Internal travel restrictions (restriction of travel across state or territory borders, or within
    certain areas of a state or territory, either to protect remote communities or to isolate areas
    with higher rates of exposure)
    Application: Not recommended in general as benefits are likely to be minor

    So was the science wrong before, or was it wrong now?

  41. flyingduk

    I dont suppose ‘following the science’ includes heeding the advice of Monash’s own Prof Borody, who has suggested a fortnightly dose of Ivermectin could be safely as a ‘pseudo-vaccine’ whilst awaiting the (probably late, possibly never) arrival of an actual vaccine? Ivermectin is cheap and safe, any horse owner knows its available OTC in horse wormers at saddlers and rural hardware/fodder shops.

  42. egg_

    If everything went perfectly and not one covid case was found in Australia for the next couple of months the best we are told we will be allowed is “covid normal”, until there is a vaccine.

    And this nasty bug has been a “distraction” from Climate Change!

    So little time, so many catastrophes!11!!

  43. Joanna Smythe

    If Morrison doesn’t grow a pair, and very quickly, he could end up being the next Chamberlain.

  44. yarpos

    ” Ah, yes:

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    Quite true really , when not weighed down by religious claptrap and dogma, you can actually come to understand and believe other things. You dont actually fall into an abyss just because you dont beleive in someone elses God they have picked fom the many available.

  45. calli

    mh
    #3575329, posted on September 7, 2020 at 8:29 am
    Remember “SnapBack”?

    Don’t hear that from Josh anymore.

    That’s because the economy’s back is already snapped.

  46. stackja

    Victoria had “arrogant” Jeff. Queensland had “arrogant” Campbell. Voters prefer nice ALP and a quiet LNP?

  47. thefrollickingmole

    flyingduk

    Yes its mentioned, I was only going to restrict myself to a couple of examples where they arent doing jack shit about their own policy.
    They have a few levels in this one, from general ati virals through to custom vaccine.

    Following the 2019 plan you would expect anti-virals to be given to vulnerable communities (in this case elderly /immune compromised and possibly Aboriginals) while life continued on.
    Hasnt been done.
    Why?

    P1: Antivirals for treatment of cases
    Application
    Recommended for all cases during the Initial Action stage, within available resources and using a syndromic diagnostic strategy.
    In the Targeted Action stage, treatment strategies can be modified to more effectively manage the specific pandemic and maximise the clinical benefits of the resources available. Modified antiviral treatment strategies are listed below from most liberal to most constrained:
    1. Treatment of all identified cases regardless of risk stratum or setting of care. Provision of post exposure prophylaxis for individuals in the population that are considered to be high-risk. (This option is likely to be considered in a limited number of pandemic scenarios).
    2. Treatment of all identified cases regardless of risk stratum or setting of care. Prophylaxis is not recommended.
    3. Treatment of all identified cases in the population that are considered to be high-risk. Treatment of all cases in hospital and ICU settings. Prophylaxis is not recommended.
    4. Treatment of hospital and ICU patients only
    ….
    P2: Antivirals for post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) of contacts4
    Application
    Recommended during the Initial Action stage within available resources. In scenarios with low clinical severity, to reduce mortality/
    morbidity, best directed towards those at greatest risk of severe illness. There is less benefit in reducing transmission to the general population. In scenarios of high severity, PEP for close and at-risk contacts is important to reduce mortality/morbidity and to reduce transmission, and hence risk of illness.

    P3: Antivirals for post-exposure prophylaxis for at-risk groups
    Application
    Recommended during the Initial Action stage, within available resources. In scenarios of lower severity, to reduce mortality/ morbidity, PEP is best directed towards those at greatest risk of severe illness. In scenarios of high severity, PEP for at-risk contacts is important to reduce illness in this group, and therefore reduce morbidity and mortality

    More further on, but you get the point.
    We know who the most vulnerable group appears to be, the elderly and those with certain conditions.

  48. mem

    sfw
    #3575319, posted on September 7, 2020 at 8:20 am
    Unless Dan resigns or is pushed, or Morrison finds his balls and cuts off the money this will continue indefinitely. Victorians this is your roadmap.

    Dan has engineered a state of totalism. Read the link attached to identify the parameters within which we now operate.
    Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
    The University of North Carolina Press/Chapel Hill and London
    By Robert Jay Lifton, M.D. Scroll down the link and read the chapter.
    https://culteducation.com/brainwashing19.html

  49. Tim

    As I said to someone the other day

    “If we all keep voting the way we always have we will continue to get what we have already have”

    Find a candidate that stands for what you believe and vote for them. Just make sure the person stands for something, not more of t he same.

    In Queensland I will be voting for one nation followed by robbie katter. Deb who is not a leader. All this PC identity politics having women lead is silly as is the color of someones skin. It must be the most competent person and someone with vision and the ability to lead

  50. Mark M

    Pakistan puzzles health experts as virus cases drop

    “Pakistan has a long history of failing to contain myriad infectious diseases such as polio, tuberculosis and hepatitis, while successive governments have underfunded its healthcare sector for decades.

    Added to that, many Pakistanis live in crowded, multi-generational homes or packed apartment buildings that favour rampant virus transmission.

    Pakistanis have proposed numerous hypotheses for their country’s seeming ability to weather the pandemic, crediting everything from the young population and the hot and humid climate to unproven claims of natural immunity.

    Its median age is only 22 and the coronavirus is known to disproportionately impact older people with prior health complications.

    In comparison, Italy, with a median age of 46.5, has recorded more than 35,000 deaths, while Pakistan’s official toll is about 6,300.”

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/pakistan-puzzles-health-experts-as-virus-cases-drop-1.5091487
    ~~

    Fascinating herd immunity analysis from Bangladesh suggests that the key propagation agent is the young adult. Therefore saturating separately and faster that age class could halve the population’s overall immunity threshold from 60 to 31%

    Adjusted Dynamics of COVID-19 Pandemic due to Herd Immunity in Bangladesh
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.03.20186957v1

  51. iamok

    Spoton Rafe.

    I would add to that where is the public condemnation by the Feds? Too lily livered to cross Dan because of the Aged Care fuckups?

    I had little respect for our politicians before this, not I have nothing but contempt.

  52. Papachango

    Where is the defence of our freedoms?

    It’s all good, Liberty Victoria have got our backs. Here’s the reponse of their predident, Julian Burnside QC, in response to recent revelations that local councils, police and the Danistan state government are collaborating to set up mobile surveillance in Melbourne parks to spy on their citizens:

    However, Liberty Victoria president Julian Burnside, QC, sided with the police and said the public health crisis justified the curtailment of some basic rights.

    “It all sounds pretty sensible to me. The restrictions that have been imposed are justifiable, even though they involve breaches of human rights. We are in a war against the coronavirus, and when you’re in a war with anything, restrictions on your otherwise normal liberties are justifiable,” Mr Burnside said.

    FMD You can’t make this up. Every day they surpass themselves with totalitarian craziness.

    BYW, I haven’t been following poliitcal stuuf for a few years – when and who the fuck made a lefty totalitarian like Burnside prez of “Liberty Victoria” ?????

  53. nb

    This, from my local Liberal MP, is an insight into the respect Andrews has for representative government:
    ‘In a state of emergency, I would expect that Victorians would want their politicians to meet more often and work together. Since the beginning of this year we have sat in Parliament for only 20 days and I have only been provided with one briefing since February on the pandemic.’

    Andrews is on the wrong side of history. Other countries looking on are horrified at the human rights abuses.

  54. Papachango

    Find a candidate that stands for what you believe and vote for them. Just make sure the person stands for something, not more of t he same.

    Easier said then done in the Yarra oblast of the DSSR (aka Melbourne state Electorate) No Liberal candidate in the lower house, the choice is between Labor, Green, Socialist party, ‘Reason’ party (who just helped extend the totalitarian state) and a few loopy or unknown independents. At least there’s the LDP in the upper house…

  55. sfw

    Liberty Vic love Burnside and anything left. Some years ago Burnside called for (seriously) imprisonment for ‘Global Warming Deniers’, shortly after Liberty Vic gave him their Voltaire Award for services to liberty. They’re not about liberty just sides.

  56. egg_

    Mask wearing in the community is unlikely to affect overall attack rates from a pandemic unless disease transmissibility is low

    @rse masks for “COVID farts” on Public Transport?

  57. egg_

    @rse masks for “COVID farts” on Public Transport?

    Will the Dantard have inspectors about?

  58. Papachango

    Liberty Victoria is beyond parody.

    A genuinely libertarian organisation should sue them for grossly misrepresenting the word “liberty”

  59. egg_

    Remember “SnapBack”?

    Don’t hear that from Josh anymore.

    As opposed to a “Zigzag” path out of lockdown, according to NSW CHO Kerry (Fishface) Chant?

  60. cuckoo

    Liberty Victoria bears the same relation to actual liberty that the Sydney Peace Prize bears to actual peace.

  61. Damon

    Will someone please, please, tell me what this nonsense is all about? It started with the necessity to ‘flatten the curve’, to prevent hospital facilities from being overwhelmed, but seems to have seamlessly morphed into ‘saving lives’, although hardly any lives are at risk. What do these ‘medical officers’ think they are doing?

  62. egg_

    What do these ‘medical officers’ think they are doing?

    Covering their Political Masters’ @rses.

  63. gary

    If the lefties don’t care about businesses closing down, close down the ABC, close down the public service and close down the universities that can’t pay their way without government support.

  64. Grunter

    “Struth”: This only will end in bloodshed, unfortunately.

    I fear you may be correct.

  65. gafa

    Hang about. Where is the problem? Soy lattes can easily be made at home, cafes are so pffft. The real people are doing just fine, it’s just those winjie winjie pesky non-essentials of society, the non-essential filth who are, as usual, always complaining about something…what a drain on society they are.
    As someone hereabouts noted;

    From the Oz:-

    “Frontline Covid workers ahead in loans scheme.

    Key workers on the COVID-19 frontline led the charge to take up the First Home Loan Deposit Scheme, with their comparative job security giving them an edge despite the economic uncertainty.

    Teachers, nurses, police offic­ers, firefighters and other frontline workers were the biggest cohort to access the 10,000 spots on offer in the initial round.

    You’re all in this together.”

  66. Lee

    However, Liberty Victoria president Julian Burnside, QC, sided with the police and said the public health crisis justified the curtailment of some basic rights.

    “It all sounds pretty sensible to me. The restrictions that have been imposed are justifiable, even though they involve breaches of human rights. We are in a war against the coronavirus, and when you’re in a war with anything, restrictions on your otherwise normal liberties are justifiable,” Mr Burnside said.

    I bet London to a brick the hypocritical prick backed the BLM protests.

  67. gafa

    To get out of Lock down, you must accept communist totalitarian control.

    Keep a full tank of gas and as soon as there is a break in the wall do a runner for Queensland.
    Gotta have some hope.

  68. Megan

    What do these ‘medical officers’ think they are doing?

    Thinking does not appear to a pre-requisite skill.

  69. gafa

    If the Libs wanted press coverage just call a public meeting on the steps of parliament house, say next Saturday at 2pm. Advice attendees to wear a muzzle etc and say it’s on!.

    It’s a great idea, but what is their plan or pathway, do the Libs even have one?

    Easier for them to just snipe a bit from the sidelines than put any skin in the game, that would take courage and the risk of critique.

  70. mem

    What do these ‘medical officers’ think they are doing?

    Bringing on the Green New Deal = Carbon Neutral = End of Western Civilization as we know it.

  71. Fair Shake

    Look out South Africa, Victoria is challenging you for the title New Zimbabwe.

  72. Entropy

    In Queensland I will be voting for one nation followed by robbie katter.

    In Qld ONP and KAP are even more invisible than the LNP. It’s all COVID COVID COVID.

  73. “Slow, steady, strangulation” yells the Oz headline.

    Their preferred alternative is slow, steady strangulation of everyone’s granny.

  74. Hay Stockard

    Seen a number of videos of VicPol in action. I would be embarrassed being arrested by a bunch of noodle limbed ssoyboys.

  75. Hay Stockard

    Crap. There was Munty poo just before me on the thread.

  76. Catcalling Inebriate

    Aha! Kates has awoken to the Vic cops! Perhaps Steve you might explore the very heart of the matter. Why did Vic Police refuse to guard the quarantine hotels? (And: why did the police union make a public statement that Defence folk were not required?)
    Victoria has a deep problem with state administration and one of the biggest is the total arrogance of the police union and its puppets at the head of the police force. No government has stared them down.

  77. Squirrel

    A little bit of patience is required with the political strategy – the voices against Andrews are growing, including from some surprising sources, such as epidemiologists who might have hitherto been counted as members of the elimination/eradication cheer squad. Business is clearly outraged and incredulous at the “roadmap”, and is unlikely to forget what has been done to them.

    Churchillian rhetoric in defence of a young woman in her jim-jams might have been stirring, but there was always the risk that there was another shoe waiting to drop (e.g. claims she had links with ratbag groups) – just the sort of thing that such a slimy government would be capable of, so restraint by the Victorian opposition on that matter was probably wise, even if disappointing at the time.

  78. Old Lefty

    A previous president of so-called Liberty Victoria is none other than Mr Justice ‘John Howard is a war criminal’ Maxwell of the Court of Appeal. No surprise there.

    Don’t be too hard on the shadow minister, though. Once you’re identified as an enemy of the revolution, you could end up spending 400 days in solitary on manufactured abuse charges until the High Court lets you out.

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