Tabitha Alloway: “Rule by Experts” Is Tyranny Shrouded in Science

“You don’t need a mask.”

“Everyone needs to wear a mask.”

“Asymptomatic spreaders are the real problem.”

“No wait, it doesn’t look like asymptomatic carriers are spreading it.”

“Coronavirus will spread at protests… unless they’re protests over the death of George Floyd.”

Expert advice has ping-ponged on COVID-19 like a bead in a pinball machine. Even the medical literature itself has been rife with contradictions and retractions. Lawmakers have tripped over themselves trying to outdo one another in creating the most laws and regulations during the lockdowns in response to the nebulous (and ever-changing) “science” of the coronavirus.

Meanwhile, suicides, domestic violence, hunger and starvation, and economic difficulty have been on the rise. The Nobel Prize-winning Michael Levitt has said, “There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.” Stacey Lennox, writing for PJ Media said, “COVID-19 may go down as history’s most devastating example of expert arrogance and media malfeasance.”

A New York Times piece from February which was titled “How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus” carried the tagline, “The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.”

A few years ago Neil deGrasse Tyson made waves with his “Rationalia” government proposal: Create a world in which all policies are based on “weight of evidence.” Let science rule us.

This utopian proposal was quickly criticized by a number of voices. Popular Science charged that such a misguided idea would lead to “vast human suffering,” and pointed out some obvious problems:

“Scientists study what they want, and they study what they can get paid to study, so the work of science is not free from the pressures of money, nor interaction with the business world…In a hypothetical world where a single person (let’s call him ‘Neil’) decided policy based on precisely measuring the weight of evidence, how that person selected evidence would matter a great deal, and would likely come down to values.”

But of course.

The idea that science could be wholly objectively applied, free from the biases, personal values, and limited understanding of the expert legislating (or proposing) it is a childish fantasy. While Tyson dreams of an unerring scientific principle formulated as a rule for society, his Rationalia proposal makes no room for human error, passion, and prejudice. Our application of science is necessarily limited by our ever-changing understanding of it. And while science can tell us what happens when X meets Y, it cannot tell us if it is moral and good for X to meet Y.

We have more than a little evidence from history that science (or what was accepted at the time as science) has most certainly caused “vast human suffering” when wielded by unscrupulous men and fascist dictators. From the murder of Aboriginal Australians to the forced sterilizations in America, eugenics, genocide, and racism have sprung from (or found their apology in) social Darwinism. As Robert F. Graboyes noted in U.S. News & World Report, “Nazi Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess stated—probably sincerely—that ‘National Socialism is nothing but applied biology.’”

Bumbling do-gooders and their victims are not immune to unintended consequences either, as we have so lately observed.

The idea that the world would best be run by a class of intellectual elites and “experts” is hardly novel or original. The Greek philosopher Plato theorized that until philosophers were kings, cities would never have rest from their evils. He believed these men alone were immune to the corruption of power and money that came with politics, and thus the only group capable of leading men into virtue and ultimately “the good life.”

This strain of idealism has manifested in many ways throughout human history, but at its heart, it is based on the belief that a special class of men (the intellectuals, the scientists, the philosophers, etc.) could function as the “high priests” of society, dictating the lives of everyone “below” them who are too ignorant to know what is best for them, or would lack the moral fiber to do what is right without “persuasion.”

For anyone not belonging to this class of elites, thinking would then become a luxury—potentially even a liability—but certainly not a necessity. Obedience is all that matters in such a state; one man becomes the conditioner, the other the conditioned.

While the dangers of such a state are obvious, they are compounded by the unique moral and philosophical landscape of modern society. What we see today is a compartmentalization of the different aspects of human thought and life. Science, like so much else, is divorced from the greater context of history, philosophy, ethics, and religion. The science of relations has been forgotten. Judgments of value are at times dictated by a soulless, truncated principle, often devoid of ethics.

Always the temptation for the ruling class exists, not only to control the bodies of men (human action), but their minds and conscience as well.

C. S. Lewis wrote of this “man-molding” in The Abolition of Man. He observed that the innovators and conditioners attempting to reshape society were doing so by attacking traditional values and mores.

“A great many of those who ‘debunk’ traditional or (as they would say) ‘sentimental’ values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process. They claim to be cutting away the parasitic growth of emotion, religious sanction, and inherited taboos, in order that ‘real’ or ‘basic’ values may emerge.”

Lewis referred to the universal values and mores which man has held since the beginning of time as “Tao,” or Nature (and Natural Law). It is the beautiful and the good, all things inherently true and right. Things like, “Do not kill,” “Do not steal,” “Speak the truth”—these are universal laws God has imprinted on the conscience of man, regardless of culture, age in history, or ethnicity. Yet Lewis warned that the conditioners were trying to produce their own conscience in humanity.

“For the power of Man to make himself what he pleases means, as we have seen, the power of some men to make other men what they please… [T]he man-moulders of the new age will be armed with the powers of an omnicompetent state and an irresistible scientific technique: we shall get at last a race of conditioners who really can cut out all posterity in what shape they please…”

From extreme nanny states to brutal genocide, we can see that placing “experts” or “science” at the helm of authoritarian experiments has led to no utopias. And while consolidating power in the hands of a high-priestly few is always a dangerous idea, in a society that continues to embrace moral relativism and reject traditional morality and objective truth, it is an even more terrifying concept.

Lewis rightly warned us of the abolition of man.

Appealing to the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” the Founding Fathers established a form of government that recognized and upheld the rights of man. By forming a republic in which officials must be elected by the people, they were doing away with the notion that a high-priestly class was necessary to govern man.

It was a bold statement: man could self-govern. He was a capable, rational creature. And he had a responsibility to self-govern responsibly: he must think, he must reason, he must be moral. They acknowledged that only such a people could remain a free people.

Tyson’s Rationalia proposal may have been scoffed at, but it’s becoming clear that our own leaders have indulged in more than a little of this very kind of fantasy. With governments increasingly treating their citizens in patronizing ways as incompetent children who must be molded and nannied by “experts” and “science,” we can already see the “vast human suffering” it has caused—and is causing.

Rather than codifying the “special” wisdom and knowledge of a few fallible men into governmental law, we must base policy on the protection of the rights of all men. We need more critical thinking, less mindless trust; more responsible self-education and self-governance, less abdication of such responsibility to “experts”; more individual, informed decision-making, less acceptance of one-size-fits-all mandates.

We are not mindless robots; our politicians and their advisors are not infallible dictators. It’s time for us to send that message to them loud and clear.

Tabitha Alloway

Tabitha Alloway

Tabitha Alloway is a liberty-loving wife, mom-of-three, and electrician who enjoys writing and studying political philosophy.

This article was originally published on FEE.org. Read the original article.

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62 Responses to Tabitha Alloway: “Rule by Experts” Is Tyranny Shrouded in Science

  1. Roger

    Tabitha Alloway is a liberty-loving wife, mom-of-three, and electrician who enjoys writing and studying political philosophy.

    So far, what’s not to like about this gal?

  2. Bruce

    Or, as Ayn Rand put it in “Atlas Shrugged”:

    “Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

    Simple and timeless.

  3. jupes

    From the murder of Aboriginal Australians to the forced sterilizations in America, eugenics, genocide, and racism have sprung from (or found their apology in) social Darwinism.

    WTF?

  4. mem

    There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them.

    And if you can’t make them criminals then you can make them feel guilty.

  5. We must await for our AI overlords to take charge and then rational decisions will be made unfettered by human emotions and frailties.

  6. Matt

    ‘State Coroner released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.’

  7. Tim Neilson

    ‘State Coroner released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.’

    Excellent! So the state government can save money by reducing its support for mental health services back to pre-COVID levels.

  8. Tim Neilson

    WTF?

    Yes, I noticed that. But go easy on her. Even someone who’s clearly trying to think properly can slip up and accidentally trust something pushed by the “progressives”, especially when it’s about a medium size country on the other side of the planet from her.

  9. Judge Dredd

    This is the problem when your society becomes ruled by “science”. If you are ruled by any invention of man, it is destined to fail. This is why it’s important to be ruled by God’s law and morals.

  10. Carpe Jugulum

    Damn good article a must read

  11. Ed Case

    WTF?
    Yeah, not a good sign when she uses this strawman to take cheap shots at Darwin.

  12. mareeS

    I am in ny 50s, I spent Monday and most of yesterday in bed sick with sinus, a head cold, all the stuff that makes one feel like shit with flu, just because the pollen is in Bloom.

    In case a different virus was involved, I slept it off, stayed at home, as I understand the issue.

    I am today as well as a swimmer and runner usually is, but I won’t have testing, because this just encourages these clowns to fake numbers and put our kids out of work.

    That is the truth of what people out here see. There has never been any need of this.

  13. Rex Anger

    Someone beat me to her?

  14. Rex Anger

    Ahem….

    Phone said I was commenter #2. 12 others beat me to the punch. Context obliterated.

    So I will try again, with quotes:

    So far, what’s not to like about this gal?

    Someone beat me to her?

  15. egg_

    This is the problem when your society becomes ruled by “science”. If you are ruled by any invention of man, it is destined to fail. This is why it’s important to be ruled by God’s law and morals.

    +1

  16. Squirrel

    One of the many things which the virus episode has illustrated is the difference between experts who can take a reasonably balanced approach to an issue, and those who can’t.

    The former are probably accused of being sell-outs, but the latter all too often have the hallmarks of tunnel-vision obsessives – it’s their time in the sun, the long-awaited opportunity to show the masses and their populist leaders the error of their ways and bend the lot of them to the will of the technocracy.

    This is such a common problem, and not just in times of crisis – finding experts who want balanced ways of saying yes, rather than reasons for saying no.

  17. thefrollickingmole

    Some Kant said “ from the crooked timber of man nothing straight can be made”.

    Even a 19th century boxhead has more sense than the “ one more law and man is perfected” kings we have lording over us.

  18. stackja

    Scientific method forgotten?

  19. Hay Stockard

    If the experts were any good at whatever they did they wouldn’t be Pubbo Dubboes.

  20. stackja

    HS – Present day “experts” lack impartiality of the past.

  21. Professor Fred Lenin

    If State employed experts are so good ,why are they working for the State instead of being in private practice making much more money?

  22. Cynic of Ayr

    Nice article.
    Interestingly, her notes on the “experts” can be cleanly transferred to today’s Politicians.
    At one time, someone put themselves up for election, with probably a mind to “do some good.”
    The rough idea was they spruiked what they would do, the other candidates spruiked what they would do, and the people selected one.
    Nowadays, that isn’t even considered. The whole purpose of standing as a candidate, is to “get elected.” The job itself is the purpose of the campaign, and to keep that job for a long as possible, by any means necessary.
    The job itself is the aim. The job itself is the reward. and, it can be a handsome reward!
    So, we now have the situation where we are governed by “experts.” Experts in “governing.” They are expert Politicians. In many – perhaps most – cases they have spent all their early years of life, training to be a Politician.
    “What do you want to be when you grow up, John/Mary?”
    “I want to be a Politician!”
    Being a Politician, governing, is the job they desired, and I doubt that real compassion for their fellow Countrymen was the driving force behind it.
    Perhaps that is most of our present problem. Many of our elected representatives only know politics. They know nothing else.
    As I said, they are “experts” at governing.

  23. notafan

    Look if total deaths don’t matter in relation to the elderly dying with positive covid19 tests, they don’t matter in relation to suicides.

    If people are being pushed to suicide by covid19 restrictions, that matters.

  24. Steve

    Of interest to TAFKAS – from the latest musing from weforum.org aka self proclaimed masters of the universe…

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/pandemic-economy-is-good-for-intangibles-bad-for-labor-by-michael-spence-2020-08

  25. TBH

    Excellent article, worth sharing widely. CS Lewis also said this, which I think is apposite: “Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under the omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”. It may even be a Liberty Quote on this site.

    This sums up a lot of what we see from our unelected rulers.

  26. Boambee John

    Matt
    #3578589, posted on September 9, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    ‘State Coroner

    That would be John Cain Iii, formerly DPP, scion of the Cain Labor family, Labor royalty.

    I wonder will “duty” call him to run for Parliament, and replace Dan of the Dead?

  27. BOXCAR

    DEFINITION OF MODELLING

    Wife to me: It’s time for our one hour walk, but it’s starting to rain.

    Me to wife: Hang on! I’ll check BOM.

    Me, again: It’s going to last a while.

    Wife: Well we won’t go.

    It turns into a slight drizzle 5 minutes later.

    So the obvious is corrupted by incomplete, even faulty, data presentation and interpretation (Modelling), that leads to completely wrong decisions.

  28. W Hogg

    Rule by economists, or pharmacists, or gender studies professors would be horrific dystopias. What makes scientists think they’re special?

    Let’s pretend the #1 climatologist in the world (Lindzen) wasn’t a lukewarmer, and that there was actually a consensus that the world is warming sharply. That’s about a tenth of the story. An atmospheric physicist would have no clue about what the cost of adaptation, or the cost of doing nothing. Nor would a meteorologist or an economist have any idea how to actually build a stable grid using non-baseload sources (although to be fair neither does any engineer specialising in electricity generation).

  29. RobK

    From Wikipedia:
    Technocracy“Technocracy

    . William Henry Smyth, a California engineer, is usually credited with inventing the word technocracy in 1919 to describe “the rule of the people made effective through the agency of their servants, the scientists and engineers”, although the word had been used before on several occasions. Smyth used the term Technocracy in his 1919 article “‘Technocracy’—Ways and Means to Gain Industrial Democracy”, in the journal Industrial Management (57). Smyth’s usage referred to Industrial democracy: a movement to integrate workers into decision making through existing firms or revolution.

    In the 1930s, through the influence of Howard Scott and the technocracy movement he founded, the term technocracy came to mean, ‘government by technical decision making’, using an energy metric of value. Scott proposed that money be replaced by energy certificates denominated in units such as ergs or joules, equivalent in total amount to an appropriate national net energy budget, and then distributed equally among the North American population, according to resource availability.

    Of course, nothing could go wrong.

  30. Ozman

    Another Ian
    #3578612, posted on September 9, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    Thanks for the link.
    Noted that the paid troll is on board, hung up about two suicides, but not the faux science of declaring aged deaths as covid-19 rather than natural causes due to their comorbidities. Thought he might need a prick in the eye. if he ogled here. So I visited Scot Adams to obtain a quote or two.

    Cognitive Dissonance
    Cognitive dissonance is a condition of mind in which evidence conflicts with a person’s worldview to such a degree that the person spontaneously generates a hallucination to rationalize the incongruity.

    Confirmation Bias
    Confirmation bias is the human tendency to irrationally believe new information supports your existing worldview even when it doesn’t.

  31. Arky

    Most real science is just smart people tinkering.
    All the theoretical stuff is just autists coming up with justifications for what the practical men already discovered.
    Practical, curious and disciplined men have left the universities almost completely, and what is left is the autistic and the thickies.
    You don’t want to be ruled by them.

  32. Ozman

    Tabitha Alloway. Nice piece!

    The mistaken reference to Australian Aboriginals was probably misconstrued and really meant for the aborigines that consisted of South American Indian tribes murdered by the Spanish. Had Spaniards taken control of Australia, they would have exterminated Australian Aborigines. Fortunately, for the sake of the Australian Aborigine, the British took control of Australia and. at the request of the mothers, rescued many children from the murderous malicious tribesmen who killed half-breeds.

    Quote from Tabitha Alloway:
    a special class of men ….function as the “high priests” of society, dictating the lives of everyone “below” them who are too ignorant to know what is best for them, or would lack the moral fiber to do what is right without “persuasion.”

    Fortunately, today we have social media apps that enable filming and instant reporting to that despised proletariat class of everyone “below” them–as they are so inclined to think.

    Let’s face the truth, the means of enforcing dictates has become outrageously alarming in the state of Victoria, which has become the dictatorial domain of the destructive and dangerous, devious, drongo, dan.

    Rebel journalist Avi Yemini was arrested by police thugs, denied support by Channel 7 News reporter Paul Dowsley, and visited by the members of the constabulary at night, who lie through their snarling teeth. Hence the warning: never trust a cop! Thuggish cops will fit you up on a turn of a heel. The truism being: police, unfortunately, are a necessary evil–even if they are more evil at times than necessary.

    The dictatorial Daniel Michael Andrews (age 48), Chinese Communist Party operative, wanted for arraignment on that day of the higher court of the electoral ballot, has with criminal intent besieged the Victorian Public, in order to pummel them mercilessly into submission, using a beholden police force, and having its members geared up in militarized riot apparel to throw the likes of journalist Avi Jemini on the ground, with no less than five thugs. When not throwing their weight on top of journalists, once more five in number, these thugs are not slow to delightfully harass and intimidate two elderly women sitting on a park bench. A practice that’s regularly occurring ad nauseam!

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  34. Eyrie

    Experts in “governing.” They are expert Politicians. In many – perhaps most – cases they have spent all their early years of life, training to be a Politician.

    Then along came Donald John Trump and wiped the floor with them.
    So much for “experts in governing”.

  35. Matt

    Oh OzMan – calling someone a paid troll because you disagree with their opinions – how very sad that’s the best you can do.

    I’m battling this government just like everyone else to get my industry restrictions lifted and back to work.

    I’m not ‘hung up on two suicides’ – I just like to correct errors of fact to stop them from being repeated as accepted wisdom. We’ve had the ‘suicides are increasing’ meme here before, and it’s not supported by the data. Now Tabitha is writing about the USA, but check her reference and then re-read what you wrote about confirmation bias:
    Anecdotal evidence, like the testimony of doctors at John Muir Medical Center and reported surges in calls to suicide hotlines around the country, suggest the mental toll of lockdowns could be as great as the material costs. (Indeed, they likely go hand-in-hand.)’
    “We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” deBoisblanc added. “I mean we’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.”

  36. JohnJJJ

    Thanks Tabby, but it was covered without the ignorant indignation in the Simpsons by Professor John I.Q. Nerdelbaum Frink Jr.

  37. nb

    Andrews, the Ephialtes of Victoria.

    Discussion of flu from China by Ivor Cummins:
    Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
    Linked to at:
    https://cafehayek.com/2020/09/a-powerful-video-on-covid.html

  38. min

    Self harm admissions are up by 33% in hospitals according mental health professor although he did not say gender . BPDs are more likely to be female, who self harm. As for scientific method I think Popper would be turning in his grave as to the standards today ( Peter Ridd as an exposer , Michael Mann as a culprit) . But I am wondering if since computer modelling science has become more prominent whether scientific method has improved . Statistics when I started were done on slide rule however by time I did post graduate we were on computers . But garbage in garbage out, Burt managed to fool everyone with his finding on nature nurture for about 25 years until someone realised he was very fortunate to find so many identical twins separated at birth back in the 50s whilst he had trouble finding enough to repeat the experiment.

  39. Rex Anger

    I’m battling this government just like everyone else to get my industry restrictions lifted and back to work.

    Ironic then, that this fellow first appeared here posing as a ‘front-line’ health worker.

    – I just like to correct errors of fact to stop them from being repeated as accepted wisdom.

    What errors of fact, bugman? The ones that disagree with Maximum LockDan and his perfect, proper and most correct handling of his coronavirus response?

    Kudos to you, at least, that you’ve convinced your controllers to let you try to our hand at policing somehat that isn’t exclusively coronavirus-related…

  40. woolfe

    This has been given to us by the experts and enforced by their Gestapo. Mother and kids will be kicked off plane if 19 month old doesn’t wear mask

    https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1303745561468661761

  41. Struth

    We all get it, and we are all narrating the downfall of Australia, but what are we doing about stopping it?

    We can now quite clearly see the end game.

    You get out of covid restrictions by accepting never ending restrictions.
    The successful takeover happened in March and in all states we are still locked down, only by degree do we differ.
    The rest since then has been theatre to slowly wear us down and called the “normalisation phase”

    Victorians will actually thing they are free when they still can’t go overseas, but can sit in a cafe somewhere and order a coffee while obeying covid restrictions and not standing too close to anyone, after signing in and being checked by passing stasi for their personal points record to see if they are eligible to be enjoying such a huge privilege.

  42. Nob

    Hay Stockard
    #3578714, posted on September 9, 2020 at 8:13 pm
    If the experts were any good at whatever they did they wouldn’t be Pubbo Dubboes.

    Certainly the case with engineers. There good ones are out there doing stuff, not spending their lives in government offices. From time to time they might consult to government bodies, and maybe do some teaching when they retire, to “give back” to the profession.

    I must say that Australia, save especially Victoria, seems top heavy with state employees in most professions compared to other places I work like UK, Norway, Netherlands, NZ and Germany. Only Italy comes close in the ratio of watchers to doers.

  43. Damon

    I see the ABC is now full on ‘everyone must wear a mask in public’.

  44. pat

    10 Sept: Warwick Daily News Australia: Revealed: Australia wrongly sent into lockdown after error
    by Matthew Benns, Daily Telegraph
    Coronavirus modelling used by the Federal Government to send Australia into ­financially crippling lockdown used the wrong figures and dramatically over-estimated how many people could need intensive care.
    When the modelling was released at the start of the pandemic by the Melbourne-based Peter Doherty Institute, it horrified health officials.
    “This is a horrendous scenario,” chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said at the time. “A daily demand for new intensive care beds of 35,000 plus.”

    But The Daily Telegraph can reveal the modelling that Prof Murphy said was “highly technical” and could only be understood by people with “scientific brains” was wrong.
    The modelling accidentally transposed the figures for the number of people who would be hospitalised during COVID-19 if no measures were taken for the number of people who would be admitted into intensive care units.

    The error made the effect of the pandemic appear four times worse than the modelling actually intended, predicting 12,000 people in NSW would go into ICU rather than 3000. And it informed the advice that led to economically crippling lockdowns across the nation.

    “I strongly believe we lock down too hard,” James Cook University professor of infectious diseases modelling Emma McBryde said.
    Her team in Queensland uncovered the error after they were left “scratching our heads” over why the Melbourne modelling was so much worse than their own.
    Once her team had worked out how the error occurred, they contacted the Doherty ­researchers and received an email back confirming the modelling would be updated.
    “That was three months ago and we are still waiting,” Prof McBryde said.
    ***The ABC quoted the incorrect figures again this week.
    “Leaving something inaccurate uncorrected on the public record is pretty close to research misconduct,” Prof McBryde said.

    Professor Jodie McVernon, from the Doherty Institute, confirmed the error was ­noticed in June but said it was confined to two graphs and “the conclusions on the ­response strategies needed to ensure enough ICU beds were available were still accurate”.
    She said they informed the government of the mistake at the time.
    https://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/news/revealed-australia-wrongly-sent-into-lockdown-afte/4096321/

  45. Matt

    It might come as a surprise to you Rex that health professions have been restricted too along with other industries. And you might want to check – I never claimed to be a front-line health worker, that was just someone else’s projection.

  46. Who remembers Zika? ZIKA ZIKA ZIKA???
    Remember all those babies with overly large heads?
    Remember the hundreds of fearful athletes who didn’t go to Rio for the Olympics?
    Remember the race for a vaccine? We’re still waiting for that vaccine. But where are all the new big headed babies now?
    What happened to ZIKA ZIKA ZIKA? Did it just fade away?
    Did you know Dr Fauci was also the “leading expert” in that scare and was heavily involved?

    As much as I liked this lady’s article, it suffers from one critical error. It doesn’t assign evil intent to the “experts” and “scientists” and the politicians who received “guidance” from them.
    They got us used to accepting “the science” and not denying it with the 3 decades long climate fraud.
    They tested our fear levels with a more imminent danger from a virus (zika)
    Now they are all out using all that knowledge they’ve gained.

    These are evil people. They are not misguided or in error. They are knowingly oppressing us into socialism.
    Dr Fauci recently said viruses will be with us for ever and the only way to reduce their effect was to “live as one with nature”. Sounds like a Green New Deal to me.

    These are not misguided people. These are evil people who want to do away with democracies and impose global socialism on us.

  47. Rex Anger

    It might come as a surprise to you Rex that health professions have been restricted too along with other industries.

    And? Whatever you may acually do (or not do) for a living, you do perform a superb job shillimg.for LockDan. Otherwise you’d have been reassigned to troll another site, and a more obnoxious drone substituted in your place, to ‘correct’ our ‘errors of fact’ to a more Narratively appropriate form.

    And you might want to check – I never claimed to be a front-line health worker, that was just someone else’s projection.

    You certainly were very happy to repeatedly fling the term about as an appeal to their imagined authority- Right up to the point where Legalise Sedtions and I started skewering ou. You then went mighty quiet and changed your tack. Projection my fluffy, Anger-y arse…

  48. Matt

    ‘Skewered’ – OK kebab boy, whatever you reckon.
    At least you’re good for a laugh.

  49. Kneel

    “As I said, they are “experts” at governing.”

    Alas, this does not follow – they are expert at getting elected.
    Being in a position to rule is not the same as being a good ruler.

  50. Rex Anger

    Skewered’ – OK kebab boy, whatever you reckon.
    At least you’re good for a laugh

    Right- Got you.

    Petty and desperate attempt to insult to try and maintain the intiative, and then laugh it off.

    You are a LockDan shill, and you have been playing at ‘Elf worker, at least until you realised Cats are not easily fooled, and eat inexperienced trolls for breakfast.

    Best you go correct someone else’s errors of fact bugman, before you do something silly like.lose your temper and break one of the few rules Sinc has here.

    Please don’t do that, bugman. The troll attrition rate has been quite high lately, and we’d be very sad to lose you…

  51. Matt

    I’m not going anywhere Rex – this is way too entertaining watching you tie yourself in knots.
    And no risk of me losing my temper over your petty comments – my care factor for what you think to be witty and biting insults sits somewhere around zero.

  52. Rex Anger

    I’m not going anywhere Rex – this is way too entertaining watching you tie yourself in knots.
    And no risk of me losing my temper over your petty comments – my care factor for what you think to be witty and biting insults sits somewhere around zero.

    Now projection and the famously effective No, U! defence.

    Hey guys! Guess what? Iampeter’s back! Wheeeee! 🤩🤩🤩

  53. Rex Anger

    my care factor for what you think to be witty and biting insults sits somewhere around zero.

    Yet you replied, bugman..

  54. Tel

    As Robert F. Graboyes noted in U.S. News & World Report, “Nazi Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess stated—probably sincerely—that ‘National Socialism is nothing but applied biology.’”

    Engineering is nothing but applied Science … and yet there is a world of difference between Social Science and Social Engineering and that difference comes from the keyword “applied”.

    It’s standard practice for Economists to conveniently forget whether they are studying the economy, or whether they have started making normative claims and attempting to force the economy to fit their models. This is not limited to economists … lots of scientists secretly want to become engineers but preferably without taking on the responsibility that entails.

  55. The BigBlueCat

    Not even Victoria’s experts can agree who required the curfew. Sutton says he was consulted but it wasn’t his idea and it wasn’t a health matter. Chief Commissioner says is was Sutton, and the curfew wasn’t required for policing. Andrews says he can’t finger who required curfews but as Premier he makes the decision. Total disarray in Victoria’s COVID-19 administration. It’s bad enough the non-sensical restrictions (eg. can’t golf, but horse racing continues) but now we see lack of accountability and record keeping.

    Time for Dan to let someone else do it – clearly he is incompetent.

    As for Tyson and reason … fair enough, but please explain science in the context of theoretical science (let’s make sh*t up and prove it later) and research (over time science self-corrects its errors, meaning errors exist – science ain’t perfect). I’m not down on science, but I’m not convinced it should be the basis of government decision per se.

  56. Matt
    #3579426, posted on September 10, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    I’m not going anywhere Rex – this is way too entertaining watching you tie yourself in knots.
    And no risk of me losing my temper over your petty comments – my care factor for what you think to be witty and biting insults sits somewhere around zero.

    I remember when I started a civil discussion on the data and you flounced.

  57. Matt

    Not sure what data discussion that was, but happy to return to it.

  58. Ozman

    Matt
    #3579044, posted on September 10, 2020 at 6:36 am

    Legalized Sedition, Rex Anger, The Big Blue Cat, and others all have your measure.

    Just for you, paid troll, since you claim you like to distort truth by correcting what you perceive doesn’t fit the official narrative of the collective, a fact has been provided for you to cannibalize. Go to it troll….correct this:

    The measles virus is just another fake science construct identified using PCR incorrectly, just as is the current case for the false covid-19 pandemic, which ought to be declared the “plandemic of fear” that is being foisted on a mostly ignorant Victorian electorate by the unscrupulous Sutton advising the devious criminally-minded Daniel Michael Andrews, 48, born at Williamstown in Melbourne’s West and MLA for Mulgrave.

    Tell drongo dan the boots are out.

  59. Matt

    Wow, that’s some next level delusion there

  60. Rex Anger

    Wow, that’s some next level delusion there

    You just let a perfectly good opportunity to correct errors of fact to stop them from being repeated as accepted wisdom go begging there. How terribly disappointing.

    We might have to report you to Vic ALP headquarters for your failure to contain this outbreak of wrongthink disease. You know how quickly this stuff can spread if not quarantined.

    We might even need to impose a curfew and a LockDan on this thread, until the numbers go down…

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