Who gave the curfew order?

So the Victorian authorities can’t decide between them who made the curfew call.

Brett Sutton:

Victorian Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton has confirmed Melbourne’s nightly curfew was not imposed as a consequence of his public health advice to the Andrews government.

Victoria Police:

The Victoria Police Chief Commissioner has said the decision to impose an 8pm to 5am curfew on Victorians did not come from police.

Shane Patton told ABC radio this morning he believed the decision had been made on “health advice”, contradicting comments from Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton on Tuesday.

Then there is Dan Andrews:

Notice what Andrews is doing – he is making statements that are more or less correct but don’t really address the matter at hand.

Yes. Government’s make decisions. Blah. Blah. Blah.

This, however, is a problem.

Here is s199 of the PHW Act.

Chief Health Officer may authorise exercise of certain powers
(1) This section applies if—

(a) a state of emergency exists under section 198; and

(b) the Chief Health Officer believes that it is necessary to grant an authorisation under this section to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health.

(2) If this section applies, the Chief Health Officer may, for the purpose of eliminating or reducing the serious risk to public health, authorise—

(a) authorised officers appointed by the Secretary to exercise any of the public health risk powers and emergency powers; and

(b) if specified in the authorisation, a specified class or classes of authorised officers appointed by a specified Council or Councils to exercise any of the public health risk powers and emergency powers.

(3) The Chief Health Officer may at any time revoke or vary an authorisation given under this section.

The Chief Health Officer is authorised to exercise powers. Yet the Chief Health Officer indicates that the decision to enforce a curfew was not his decision. Based upon what Dan Andrews has said it seems that the government (who? when?) made the decision to impose the curfew. It is obvious then that the government ordered the Chief Health Officer to impose the curfew.

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80 Responses to Who gave the curfew order?

  1. rickw

    Idiots in charge.
    Just like investigating a screw up at work.
    The shit decision self generated.

  2. Pyrmonter

    What am I missing. The CHO has delegated authority (presumably with authority to do so given either elsewhere in the Act or by some general administrative law provision) to the DPHC. Why isn’t the question being asked of the DPHC?

  3. Anonandon

    Come on. We are men of the world. Of course the Premier ordered the CHO to issue those rulings.

  4. Mak Siccar

    Correct, Pyrmonter. Ask the signatory and keep asking until the answer is very clear with our obfuscation.

  5. Mak Siccar

    with our = without. Damn autocorrect.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr Romanes is looking quite the Aztec sacrifice.
    Having a subordinate fall on their wakizashi is a traditional ritual in such matters.

  7. pbw

    Dr Finn Romanes
    Deputy Public Health Commander

    Wow. I hadn’t noticed that.

  8. vlad

    I’m cross-posting this from the open thread, because I think it says a lot about the mess we’re in.

    “Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has defended his decision not to consult the police before enacting Melbourne’s coronavirus curfew, saying his job is to make theirs as easy as possible.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/coronavirus-australia-victoria-daniel-andrews-victoria-deaths/12647604

  9. vlad

    That actually isn’t the premier’s job and if he thinks it is he should resign.

  10. Rex Mango

    The Premier Dan Xi Ping is elected by the people of Victoria to make it as easy as possible for them to be policed by Vicpolski. Microchipping is next.

  11. The BigBlueCat

    Do you want answers?
    I want the truth!
    You can’t handle the truth!

    Did you order the code red?
    You’re damn right I did!

    Sound familiar?

  12. Hay Stockard

    Lying liars. Wouldn’t trust any of them out of sight on a dark night. Especially the hunchback.

  13. yarpos

    The curfew was adjusted from 8 PM to 9PM recently.

    What data and science (as Dan likto quote ) was used to make this change?

    Who was part of this discussion? Surely they would be the owners?

  14. Richard

    So if I interpret Andrews correctly, two things emerge from that clip:

    1. Making the job of the police easier is now somehow a public policy goal, and this surpasses fundamental freedoms and rights and
    2. The ends justify the means, literally any means. Dont we actually teach our children at a young age that the ends DONT justify the means.

  15. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    What does it matter who gave the curfew order – none of the stupid useless incompetent destructive quisling cockheads identified will ever admit responsibility for it. I’m sick to death of their endless obfuscation, buck passing and mountains of bullshit and I don’t even have the misfortune to be in that stinking shithole.

    We need to ensure this type of totalitarian idiocy can’t be perpetrated again and that those responsible for the current disaster are harshly punished.

    They have destroyed millions of peoples’ lives. They don’t get to slink off and get away with it (and to add insult to injury, at our ongoing expense).

  16. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Making the job of the police easier is now somehow a public policy goal

    Didn’t that grotesque jug eared knobhead couch it in terms of being a “public health” goal?

    As we’ve seen, any removal of peoples’ rights and liberties is apparently justified due to “public health concerns”.

  17. cuckoo

    They don’t get to slink off and get away with it (and to add insult to injury, at our ongoing expense).

    Sorry, but they do. Just remember, this is the same party that was comfortably re-elected after delivering the never-used de-salination plant at a acost of $5.7 billion.

  18. A H

    This post makes a good point. Legislation effectively grants authority to the CHO to make laws via edict, but does this require the CHO to act independent of influence from the government? If the CHO is shown to be acting under direction of the government, would this makes his State of Emergency directions invalid?

    However, I believe the curfew was enacted under the “State of Disaster” legislation, which effectively nominates the Police Minister as the person with the authority to create laws by edict… it’s a separate authority to the PHW legislation and it doesn’t have anything to do with the CHO.

  19. Lee

    Dictator Dan clearly doesn’t make any decisions – others do, by his reasoning – therefore WTF is he the man in charge, the premier?

  20. Fascinating theory suggested by Andrew Bushnell on Looking Forward Podcast Episode 79 yesterday. According to VicPol they arrested Buhler for incitement. However, the CRIMES ACT 1958 SECT 321G only includes incitement to criminal offenses. Incitement against a regulation is still unlawful, but it is not a crime to be pursued by the police. The RMIT/ABC Fact Check came to the same conclusion when assessing “Is it a crime to offend someone under the Racial Discrimination Act?” some 6 years ago.

    Prof. Rice:

    Unlawful conduct is not illegal conduct. ‘Unlawful’ is conduct prohibited by law, an ‘offence’ is also conduct prohibited by law but at a more serious or higher level. There is a fundamental procedural difference – unlawful acts are pursued by the person or entity who is aggrieved, and illegal acts are pursued by the police in order to punish the perpetrator. For unlawful conduct the harmed person seeks a personal remedy like compensation; for illegal conduct the perpetrator is punished…

    This new standard means police should arrest anyone for any behaviour that can be construed as incitement to break and government regulation.

    Are there any legally educated Cats that think this holds water?

  21. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Just remember, this is the same party that was comfortably re-elected after delivering the never-used de-salination plant at a acost of $5.7 billion.

    Well, not this time they shouldn’t. The desalination plant didn’t obliterate the victorian economy (if it could be dignified with such a term) or destroy millions of peoples’ lives.

    The social and economic destruction caused by these f*ckwits’ sheer bastardry is unprecedented.

    It calls for unprecedented punishment of those responsible.

    Otherwise we’ll never be rid of this monstrous hysterical totalitarian idiocy.

  22. Marley McScruffin

    The Premier’s reason for the curfew decision mean it is now the public serving the police.

  23. Lizzi55

    Section 117 of the Victorian Act (PHW Act 2008) says any public health order must be issued in writing to the individual concerned. And only if the individual concerned either has the disease or was deemed exposed to it.

    This suggests they cannot issue general orders for the whole population of Victoria.

    Meaning mandatory masks, restriction of movement, curfew and quarantine for healthy unexposed people would be in violation of the act.

    All measures listed in section 117(5) can only be applied via a written control order issued to the individual. This includes covid testing or vaccination

    Also Section 123(2) says you can’t be forced to undergo testing / examination / vaccination

    That’s what i understood but i’m not a lawyer

  24. min

    I wasn’t in the room when the decision was made is one of his excuses .He is a master of using psychological tactics to avoid responsibility’s and accountability . No tough questioning by the media as if they do not invited anymore

  25. A H

    The “stage 4” restrictions, including curfew, were officially announced in Victoria Government Gazette S 384, http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette/Gazettes2020/GG2020S384.pdf , which notes:

    Note: the curfew provisions in subclause (1AG) reflect the curfew provisions under the State of Disaster.

  26. ExIronCurtain

    Where does that leave us, then?
    We always knew the CHO was Dan’s stooge but now we have proof.
    The Chief of Police appears to not want to be a stooge, he was not even consulted.

    Political interference with human rights without even a veneer of emergency power cover is a biggie.
    Bad enough for the Governor to intervene?
    We need the whole gang booted out, not just Wuhan Dan!

  27. H B Bear

    Time to get the emergency powers before a court (a real one, maybe Federal) and test them.

  28. H B Bear

    Something for the Royal Commission (yet to be called) to look at.

  29. H B Bear

    Bit early for the new VicPlod Commissioner to be straying off the reservation. Somebody will be getting a bollocking over this.

  30. Nob

    Curfew times and 5km limits are arbitrary numbers about which The Science has nothing definitive to say. Completely political and based on policing rather than policy.

    Social distancing by 1.5m has some basis in research, although it’s been 2m in most European countries and only enforced in queues, and by premises owners, not by police.

    (Exception being early days of Italy’s lockdown, the one which panicked everybody, and which, by the way, effectively finished in May)

    Anyway expect this shit to go on until the bushfires start and then the focus will be on chanting “it’s climate change, stupid” as if that makes any difference. Meanwhile, good wet winter and spring promotes growth, nowhere near the amount of clearing needed being done on state land, private landowners prevented from clearing by “process punishment”, and come summer, the inevitable happens.

  31. Ceres

    It was signed off on by Deputy, maybe the infamous Annaleise Van Diemen who got the sinbin. .Rats and sinking ships come to mind.

  32. stackja

    Did John Cain ever face consequences?

  33. Professor Fred Lenin

    When is DANDEMIC DAN going to slowly withdraw from pressers owing to ill health ,gradually worsening u till he retires to recover his health in a Queensland resort where his family resides at the moment . Then the comrages will make Neville premier to garner the female vote , the best the comrades can do under the circumstances . They have two years to make Neville palatable to the punters . Plenty of time with the mumber of brainwashed muppets in Victoria who actuall believe the communist media ,and will feel sorry for DANDEMIC DAN THE WUHAN MAN . Its ferkin pitifull the stupidity of some people .
    His Chinese mates will see him right for money ,their plan didnt work but he tried his best for them ,perhaps a villa in China and a state pension,like Kim Philby got from the KGB?

  34. MACK

    Anonandon
    #3579562, posted on September 10, 2020 at 2:27 pm We are men of the world.
    Reminds me of that joke of a chap coming up to another chap in their club, and saying: “I say Jones, you’re a man of the world – what’s my wife’s phone number?”

  35. Derp

    More like the CHO rubber stamped the approval

  36. H B Bear

    Did John Cain ever face consequences?

    Does living the rest of his life in ignominy and being a byword for abject failure count?

  37. lotocoti

    What happens if the CHO makes it known he recommends the prohibition of all alcohol and tobacco products?

  38. Leigh Lowe

    Derp

    #3579790, posted on September 10, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    More like the CHO rubber stamped the approval

    The old trick.
    CMO tables a list of restrictions.
    A smarmy Nicolas Reece advisor type calls after the meeting, “Mate, can you email me a soft copy”.
    Next day the document pops up with a bunch of additions and your signature block.
    “It’s gotta go out now mate. I can’t take it back to Dan at this late stage.”

  39. Leigh Lowe

    Did John Cain ever face consequences?

    I think he went to Hell last December.

  40. H B Bear

    Time to find his Joan Kirner and offload a hospital handball.

    That is why you build a comfortable dacha while in office. Or stay on good terms with your fellow despots if you think it is going to get to hot to hang around.

  41. Tom

    Elections have consequences, Victorians. If you love progressive government, it will be delivered via the ALP, led by, in this case, an incompetent buffoon who has never had a real job and, as a consequence, he is now in the process of destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people, with knock-on effects in the rest of the country.

    Elections have consequences. If you elected Andrews, his incompetence in office is on you.

  42. Louis

    This has been a problem in all jurisdictions where the health officer has the power under an Act, but listening to various Premiers it is clear that they are making the calls. Which would mean they are giving a direction to the health officer to exercise their power in a particular way. The legal issue comes where the health officer must have a reasonable belief of a particular matters in order to exercise the power but they held no belief and made no decision because they just followed a direction of the Premier.

    I think if you could get all the records of communication, it would be clear that the Ministers are stating to do something and, after the fact, the health department are coming up with health reasons/needs for taking that particular action. So: 1 Minsters says do this: 2 health department come up with reasons/need to do that; 3 chief health officer does the thing (makes a requested direction)

  43. mh

    The curfew was adjusted from 8 PM to 9PM recently.

    Because SCIENCE!

  44. incoherent rambler

    The curfew was adjusted from 8 PM to 9PM recently.

    To sync up with daylight saving.
    We now have liberty saving.

  45. Lee

    Dictator Dan’s attitude on the Nine news tonight shocked even me, one of his fiercest critics.
    He effectively said “people have no reason to be out after 8 pm anyway.”
    He cited supermarkets being closed to back his argument.
    Well, duh, before the virus came along many supermarkets were open well after 8 pm, so he is using a circular argument.
    The state is being run on an authoritarian’s whims.
    Greg Hunt got it right that “freedom of movement is a fundamental human right”; a right which no two-bit dictator has a right to usurp.

  46. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #3579810, posted on September 10, 2020 at 5:50 pm
    Did John Cain ever face consequences?

    I think he went to Hell last December.

    Life after Parliament

    He became a professorial fellow in politics at the University of Melbourne in 1991,

    2011 he was critical of what he saw as the dominance of factions in the party, particularly the Labor Right.

    The John Cain Foundation is a think tank on political affairs of relevance to Victoria.

  47. Burnt Stump

    Isn’t the word “believes” important. If CMO did not believe the curfew was needed does it follow that the curfew is unlawful.

  48. Mater

    A smarmy Nicolas Reece advisor type calls after the meeting, “Mate, can you email me a soft copy”.

    This is where PDF comes into it’s own. Adobe Acrobat is your friend.

  49. Roger

    Why don’t they just release the documentation?

    That would reveal who’s lying.

    What’s that, you say…they haven’t even released their modelling?

    The Royal Commission is not going to be short of work.

  50. Roger

    “When we get down to those numbers we’ll open up”.

    Even the WHO says those numbers are “challenging”.

    Polite speak for” you’re not going to get there anytime soon.”

  51. Nighthawk the Elder

    Lee
    #3579852, posted on September 10, 2020 at 6:29 pm
    Dictator Dan’s attitude on the Nine news tonight shocked even me, one of his fiercest critics.
    He effectively said “people have no reason to be out after 8 pm anyway.”

    Truly the call of a despot to decide what the great unwashed are or are not doing after 8 pm on any given night. It’s a hard core socialist’s wet dream to control every aspect of an individual’s life.

    They’re adults, you dumbo eared dimwit and they’ll bloody well decide what they can or cannot do at any time of the day. And the consequences of those decisions, whether negative, innocuous or positive are theirs.

  52. nb

    Surprise. Dan replaces Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus as Director-General of the World Health Organisation. Hailed by China as an independent voice.

  53. notafan

    On that basis no one has any reason to be out anytime.

    Pharmacies and supermarkets changed their opening hours because of the curfew.

    People exercise, deal with caring responsibilities too.

    He’s out of control. I will beat the virus 😷

  54. notafan

    Daylight savings adjustment, as predicted.

  55. a happy little debunker

    Martin at 3:28 pm
    Fascinating theory suggested by Andrew Bushnell on …incitement.
    Are there any legally educated Cats that think this holds water?

    I’m clearly no lawyer,
    But doesn’t incitement mean encouraging someone to commit an ‘offense’ – Where the definition of an offence rests within the CRIMES ACT 1958 rather than the PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLBEING ACT 2008?

    04 September 2020 at 03:56 PM

    I was wondered about that a week ago, maybe someone was listening?

  56. Tim Neilson

    Polite speak for” you’re not going to get there anytime soon.”

    Dan doesn’t want Melbourne to “get there”. He doesn’t want attainable benchmarks for relaxing restrictions. (He may be more relaxed about some areas of rural Victoria because it’s obvious even to an imbecile like him that those places aren’t going to plunge in raging epidemics.)

    If Melbourne attains the benchmarks he’ll have to either:
    (a) take responsibility for what happens after we open up – and given the hysteria he’s created, every death of a 95 year old terminal cancer patient will be seen as his fault; or
    (b) take responsibility for insisting that restrictions stay – not popular.

    So he’s setting unattainable benchmarks to use as his excuse for keeping the screws tight for as long as possible. And destroying as much of the economy as he can, so as to be as big a drain on the rest of the country as possible.

    He’s hoping that ScoMo will be sucked into acting as his fall guy and giving him a plausible excuse to claim he was forced into lifting restrictions, after which he’ll be in the media every time there’s another case, or at least another ICU admission, disclaiming responsibility.

    To hasten that end he’s destroying the economy as blatantly as he dares. Likewise he’s making people suffer as much as he can in the hope that ScoMo, Prince JoFry and Greggo will join the chorus demanding easing up so he can manoeuvre them into being seen as taking responsibility.

  57. EllenG

    My observation: how any times have Victoria Police and the police union been at or near the centre of weird Covid judgments? I note especially the unions public statement unprompted that from the start no defence staff were required.

  58. billie

    Tim Neilson, I think you have it there correctly

    if he turns off the curfew and conditions now, it looks stupid to have had them at all, poor exit strategy

    if he keeps them on, he needs an exit strategy that doesn’t put him in the middle, and the only thing left really is to wedge Scomo

    vic police, jeez, they have gone low, really low in my opinion – who’d be a copper now eh?

  59. Squirrel

    The sing-a-long version of “do as you’re told, and don’t ask questions, and come back tomorrow” was so much nicer –

  60. duncanm

    Tim – I think you’re right.

    Unfortunately, Scomo needs to sit this one out and let Victoria broil.

  61. Jannie

    I thought Dan has already explained that the decision was made by a Supercomputer. The Scientists fed in all the information and the Supercomputer said a level 5 lockdown was the only possible answer. And a curfew probably would help the coppers. You cant argue with science, and if you try your name will be taken and you will be sorry.

  62. Old Lefty

    Things are getting interesting. After the CHO and Patton and hints from Setka and Shorten, we now have Liberty Victoria distancing itself from Dan Xi Man.

  63. Old Lefty

    Yes stakja, but Cain did live long enough to see his son John Cain III (of the ‘independent’ and ‘apolitical’ Office of Public Prosecutions) take the dynasty’s revenge on the Catholic Church and the DLP by fitting up Pell. Sadly, he wasn’t around to see the High Court flush the case into the sewer where it belonged.

  64. Old Lefty

    Jeremy Gans has pointed out that the roadmap for regional Victoria contains a very ambitious target for lifting restrictions: ‘less than 0’ cases a week.

  65. mh

    Things are getting interesting. After the CHO and Patton and hints from Setka and Shorten, we now have Liberty Victoria distancing itself from Dan Xi Man.

    What’s Julian said?

  66. Ubique

    Fair go. Global warming cooked Dan’s brain cell.

  67. TPL001

    Tim – what is the logic of your argument?:

    -he has set unattainable goals (blind Freddy saw that).
    -he wants to destroy the Victorian economy.
    -he wants to make every one in Victoria suffer.
    -the place will be a basket case.
    -ScoMo & Co. will step in and take responsibility.
    -Andrews will be “forced” to lift restrictions (as he is no longer responsible).
    -Andrews will then seen to be the hero at each case/ICU admision.

    But for what reason? Just to avoid the responsibility of the previous bungles (contract tracing, curfew, hotel quarantine)? Don’t you think there is another political agenda at work? If not, then he is a sociopath. And it appears to be reasonably unsophisticated Machiavellian tactics. If that is all, then at a minimum he is a moral failure.

  68. Andre S

    Andrews graduated with a Batchelor of Arts with a major in politics and classics. He was with out a doubt indoctrinated in marxist ideology and Frankfurt school critical theories. He genuinely believes his actions are for the common good, he thinks humanity is a fluid like blob and that no particular individual has any significance except when they are part of the blob – except for himself. He is also influenced by Foucault and , in particular Foucault Discipline and Punish which he would have read at some point during his degree. His now trying to implement one of its key ideas, the Modern version of the Panopticon. COVID is the means by which he can implement his panoptic (dystopia) utopia especially with the power that he currently possesses.

    Watching the interview above, he deflects questions with the ease of a Frankfurt school educated moron. “Oh I reject this premise and that implication…” he is honestly living in his own delusion – but he loves being in front of the camera explaining his vision and justifying his plans with his smug look. He is dangerous and honestly Victoria is stuffed. By the time he has implemented his agenda he will have destroyed the lives of millions of people. He currently appears to have unfettered power, and he is no better than any of the past communist and socialist leaders who craved the delusional glory they would experience once they implemented their dystopian visions.

    How do you remove a guy like this, he has discarded protective democratic mechanisms and his no doubt the instigator of the curfew and the new police job description. Right now we need a non-Jacobin version of Robespierre. Probably the most surprising thing is that apparently 70% of victorian citizens support his position. The fear of the COVID plague has made the desperate citizens of Victoria pursue their own survival and as a consequence have without resistance swallowed up the controls, curfews and surveillance. Without exception new power mechanisms have been augmented over the daily lives of people, thanks to myths about COVID. COVID has become a biological/ political weapon and once the pandemic is gone these mechanisms of control will remain.

  69. Arky

    Who gave the curfew order?

    ..
    You got me.
    It was me.
    I couldn’t take those bastards hooning down the hill at 2am anymore.
    Sorry.
    Sorry everyone.
    I never thought it would go this far.

  70. nb

    Foucault and Bernard Levy had a chat one day. In their Maoist haze they concluded that the bourgeoisie and proletariat were probably different species, and it’d be useful to put the bourgeoisie heads on pikes, or kill them in whatever was in the best tradition of the region. The Paris-trained Maoists, the Khmer Rouge, subsequently put these ideas into practice with the help of China. Transcript in:
    Foucault, Power/Knowledge: Selected Interviews and Other Writings 1972-1977, (Ed Colin Gordon), The Harvester Press
    pp. 12, 13, 28, 31, 33, 36 – bourgeoisie must die by local democratic declaration
    ——-
    Fons Elders, Reflexive Water – The Basic Concerns of Mankind, London: Condor, 1974 (Television interviews by Elders, including the transcript of one with Foucault. Foucault was not shy about his desire for killing.)
    174 – Foucault referred approvingly to Mao Tse-Tung, who, Foucault said, considered that ‘bourgeois’ and ‘proletarian’ human nature are not the same
    185 – Foucault says proletarians can kill who they please – draws on Nietzsche
    ————-
    Dan has cosied up to the Maoists. Don’t believe he would not kill you all.
    The China ALP.

  71. TPL001

    Thank you, Andre. This would be laughable if it was taking place in a university class room. But it is not. He has 6.5 million Victorians in his grip. The Federal government is ineffective.

    Andrews “genuinely believes his actions are for the common good.” He “is now trying to implement one of its key ideas … his panoptic (dystopia) utopia.” “[H]e is honestly living in his own delusion.” “By the time he has implemented his agenda he will have destroyed the lives of millions of people.”

    “How do you remove a guy like this”? “Right now we need a non-Jacobin version of Robespierre.” Agreed. But could such an agent not be the internal ALP executive, themselves waking up and realising they have a destroyer on their hands? The ALP followers will go down with him and have their own lives destroyed in the process. Many will jump ship; but not all. Could or would the ALP executive remove him, because the realise they have a power-driven destroyer on their hands? They may be too inept or docile or ignorant to realise we are on a one-way ticket to a scorched-earth Victoria.

  72. Herodotus

    Andrews is premier and the buck should stop with him. But Tom is correct in saying that Victorian voters have to stop and reconsider their actions in voting this mob in.
    I would be remiss if I didn’t add that the Libs and Nats have to rediscover their conservatism. Offering a weak left leaning version of their former selves has failed. That is what preceded and in effect gave rise to Andrews, and we saw it Writ Large in the Turnbull clique. Beryl Gladisjiklian in NSW has lost the plot to such an extent that she recently praised Theresa May and Matt Kean, then provoked a split with the Nats over a Koala Protection racket that (like native vegetation laws) deprives rural landholders of their right to manage their property as they see fit.

  73. sfw

    I’m still waiting for the Libs to tear Andrews a new one, only half strength press releases so far. There is no opposition in Vic.

  74. Tim Neilson:

    . Likewise he’s making people suffer as much as he can in the hope that ScoMo, Prince JoFry and Greggo will join the chorus demanding easing up so he can manoeuvre them into being seen as taking responsibility.

    Yes – just like the Democrats are trying to do in the US.
    Having set fire to the kitchen, the Left is now trying to fob it off onto someone/anyone.

  75. mem

    Probably the most surprising thing is that apparently 70% of victorian citizens support his position.

    This is based on research carried out for an undisclosed client (read Daniel Andrews) using using methodology that does not disclose how the respondents were chosen. Also the research as released does not follow professional guidelines for disclosure, margin for error etc.
    A smart journalist would get on to the company and give them a good grilling as in my view the research has been organised to produce what Dan wants so he can feed it to the media and convince everyone that the population is happy with his management when every other indicator says the opposite.

  76. mem

    Do not underestimate Daniel Andrews. He is a cunning strategist without moral conscience. A driven man on a mission to demonstrate how easy it is to implement a coup and introduce a revolution for our one world enthusiasts.

  77. Tel

    Civil Service 101: everyone farts around, no one is ever held responsible.

    Most of us learned this quite early when on the phone to some department or other … getting your question passed around but never answered.

  78. Tel

    Elections have consequences. If you elected Andrews, his incompetence in office is on you.

    The so called “Red Shirts” scandal and misdirection of government money was known to the voters before last election. They also knew that various government funded groups (e.g. firefighters) that should rightly be neutral were engaging in political campaigning.

    These things should have been sufficient to see what was coming … but too late to complain about it now. I do have sympathy to the handful of Victorians who did the right thing at the time, but as others have pointed out there is no meaningful opposition and you know … could be the purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others.

  79. the sting

    Agree with Tel above . Elections have consequences . The voters decided that they didn’t want the coalition so it is not much sense to ask where is the Opposition when you the voters put Labor in government . The consequences are obvious … Lawyer X , George Pell , CFA , Red Shirts , cost blowouts and overruns on Level Crossings for example [ the government brought Parliament back to vote on an increase in State debt of 24 billion dollars , the cost blowouts by just one Minister , Transport Minister Jacinta Allan , are 27 billion dollars .]

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