Force Daniel Andrews to bear the costs of the damage he wreaks

Today in The Australian

The cruellest thing one can do to Daniel Andrews’s explanation of Victoria’s strategy for dealing with COVID-19 is to read it a second time. After all, given the costs that are being inflicted on Victorians and on the country as a whole, one might assume, on a first reading, that a cogent justification for the strategy lay hidden in the explanatory material Andrews used last Sunday.

About Henry Ergas

Henry Ergas AO is a columnist for The Australian. From 2009 to 2015 he was Senior Economic Adviser to Deloitte Australia and from 2009 to 2017 was Professor of Infrastructure Economics at the University of Wollongong’s SMART Infrastructure Facility. He joined SMART and Deloitte after working as a consultant economist at NECG, CRA International and Concept Economics. Prior to that, he was an economist at the OECD in Paris from the late 1970s until the early 1990s. At the OECD, he headed the Secretary-General’s Task Force on Structural Adjustment (1984-1987), which concentrated on improving the efficiency of government policies in a wide range of areas, and was subsequently Counsellor for Structural Policy in the Economics Department. He has taught at a range of universities, undertaken a number of government inquiries and served as a Lay Member of the New Zealand High Court. In 2016, he was made an Officer in the Order of Australia.
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39 Responses to Force Daniel Andrews to bear the costs of the damage he wreaks

  1. stackja

    Dan is doing what voters elected him to do. Why the surprise?

  2. duncanm

    Truly frightening..

    The sums involved are breathtaking: in the course of this fiscal year, the payments for JobSeeker and JobKeeper alone will transfer the equivalent of $7000 to each Victorian man, woman and child, which is 45 per cent more than has been disbursed for those programs, on a per capita basis, in the other jurisdictions.

    Adding the other forms of pandemic-related assistance, Victorians will receive almost $11,000 per capita from the commonwealth, vastly exceeding the payments to the other states.

    To place those transfers into perspective, they are substantially greater than Victoria’s total public spending in 2019-20.

  3. nb

    What is his reward? From whom does he get it?

  4. Hay Stockard

    Paywalled. Not all of us get that increasingly left-wing rag. Ergo, not helpful.

  5. nb

    ALP China (federal branch) might not get their turn if Andrews shows the nation what the federal office have in store for Australia:
    https://www.pollbludger.net/2020/09/11/something-for-everybody/
    ‘Labor-linked firm Redbridge Group has published polling from three Labor-held federal seats, which collectively suggest Labor has gone backwards since last year’s election.’

  6. Mother Lode

    This has long been a problem is that politicians do not really bear responsibility for the damage they wreak.

    Damage to the economy is not reflected in their pay packets, and they are kept isolated from all the social mayhem they sign off on.

    I should love to see their pay packets adjusted based on performance – make it across the entire party so they all have a reason to demand the best performance of each other. When the economy tanks let their pay take a hit. Ours does. When the economy booms let them have the bonus – it is the carrot to the stick.

    Giving a panel any discretion in deciding this is fraught – over time pollies will game it, fiddle it, neuter it, tame it.

    It is ridiculous how much they are paid. So many people want the job it should depress their wages, but their cupidity knows no bounds.

    Their honour, decorum, self-awareness, and self-effacement know nothing but.

  7. egg_

    SloMo is Andrews Lite – same “National Cabinet” of retards.

  8. Barry

    It has been thus for centuries:

    Oliver Cromwell: ‘In the name of God, go!’ speech dismissing Rump Parliament – 1653

    20 April 1653, London, England

    It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,

    which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.

    Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.

    Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

    Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?

    Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

    Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?

    Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.

    Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.

    I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.

    Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

    In the name of God, go!

  9. Mother Lode

    Ergo, not helpful.

    Is that a familiar contraction of his surname, or an adverb conjoining premiss and conclusion?

  10. Roger

    I suspect Daniel Andrews won’t be around to bear any such responsibility.

    You’ll still have the Labor Party to punish, though.

  11. Steve

    This whole thing can be fixed with applying some SCIENCE to the whole mess.

    Simple truth – Covid only kill 6% of the total people who have died, so says the CDC.
    The other 94% of “covid deaths” are due to it appears from pre-existing health conditions that covid ( in essence just a bad flu ) has put pressure on them.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q

    Covid is the torjan horse to destroy the economy.

    This needs to stop NOW.

    No arresting of pregant women will stop the reality that covid is not near as dangerous, therefore does not need lockdowns or massive hype or nasty RNA-based vaccines.

    In short, the covid reponse appears to be deliberately designed to kill our industrial way of life.
    The globalists have said as much…its all driven by the green nonsense.

    We were supposed to fall for the lie of climate change……we said no, and called BS on it.

    So now we get clubbed about the head…… we will still say no, and call BS on this too.

    So where to next? Well if Billy G*tes has his way…..

    Beware though – the next “pandemic” will likely be less dangerous than whats in the vaccine they provide for it…you’ve been warned. Your life *literally* may depend on being very wise, when that time comes. A 24 hour “knock down” is mooted from jab to grave.

  12. Steve

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286997

    “‘Coronavirus does not pose a threat to society’

    “Laniado Hospital Emergency Medicine Department Director Dr. Amir Shachar, one of the founders of the emergency medicine profession in Israel, explained his doctrine regarding Israel’s response to the coronavirus, saying countries that imposed closure did not manage to stop the outbreak any more than countries that did not use this measure.

    Shahar spoke with Sivan Cohen and explained why he felt the Swedish method of fighting the virus should be adopted, expressing his opinion on the expected closure: “It’s an epidemic but it harms the weak, the sick, and the elderly. The virus does not pose a threat to society.”

    “He went on to comment on the high coronavirus data and corrected: “We only have about 50 new patients in Israel a day, and not 3,000. The health system should be given the means to cope long-term.”

  13. H B Bear

    Stopping all impact-incidence tax/spending shifting and equalisation across the Federation would be a bloody good idea. Kill what you catch. No $60bn submarines for mendicant States.

  14. Bazinga

    It used to be the whole family fortune was on the chopping block. Great deterrent.

  15. cuckoo

    So Fiona Patten, having voted for Andrews’ emergency extension, is now calling for the curfew to be lifted. What I’d like to say probably wouldn’t make it past moderation.

  16. It has just dawned on Fiona Patten that she’s rendered herself unelectable & there won’t be any cushy government windown seat on $400,000 p.a. coz the ALP won’t be in government.

    Karma.

  17. Professor Fred Lenin

    Dandemic dan and his enablers will need time to pay when they get the bill for the havoc and expense they wreaked with their incompetence in the Rydges Hotel Infection fiasco .
    On top of making them broke for life bring on aclass action for mental anguish caused by their stupidity ,or is it cupidity . (And I dont mean the little flying bloke with the bow and arrows).

  18. mindfree

    Fiona Patten’s response to my email criticizing her decision to extend the lock down – see the wimp out

    Thank you for the email about the state of emergency legislation.

    Every state in Australia is currently operating under state of emergency provisions.

    State of emergency laws provide health related provisions to ensure someone with Covid stays isolated, that businesses opening up have Covid safe plans and that in some circumstances mask wearing must be mandatory.

    In all states that are opening up they are using their state of emergency provisions to make that happen.

    I can’t see how Victoria can do it without them but I would be really interested in your thoughts on this.
    It would have been easy to have just said no and oppose the legislation but that would not have been the responsible action to take. So I negotiated with the government and achieved three things – they limited the extension of the State of Emergency to 6 months, they limited that extension only to the current Covid crisis, and they introduced a greater level of transparency and oversight.

    By way of background, when the government first put forward their plan they wanted 18 months and no oversight. I refused and negotiated a 6 month extension with a sunset clause which means it can’t be renewed. Of course each declaration only last four weeks and I negotiated that the advice that is provided to the CHO and the advice that the CHO provides to justify the extension must be tabled in parliament whether it is sitting or not. The minister and the CHO must also provide an oral briefing to parliamentarians where probing questions will no doubt be asked.

    This 6 month extension is supported the Australian Medical Association and the Nurses Federation It is also supported by small business organisations such as the chamber of commerce and many more.

    In my opinion The alternate option, to oppose the Bill and throw the doors open to Covid, would simply have been irresponsible. It might help the opposition get on the nightly news, but it won’t help Victorians on ventilators.

    I am very aware that people are doing it tough and I am doing whatever I can to help. I have met with numerous businesses and individuals and in some cases I have been able to help them get assistance whether its housing, medical help, legal assistance and of course money.

    Thank you again for writing to me and I hope you stay well.

    Regards,

    Fiona

    Fiona Patten MP
    Member for Northern Metropolitan Region Parliament of Victoria | Legislative Council

  19. Catcalling Inebriate

    Evidence seems to be that after all this, Victoria has yet to get contact tracing and testing into shape. It’s about competence.

  20. The BigBlueCat

    Our political classes forcing us into lockdown would be well-served to look at this and then tell us why it’s so important that we be locked down.

    I’m not claiming this to be the correct view, but it is interesting to see how lockdowns introduced past the peak of the pandemic have little or no effect on the death rate, and that the increase in testing creates it’s own “casedemic”. It certainly illustrates a point without necessarily proving the argument.

  21. Fair Shake

    ‘All you’ve done is weaken a nation. ‘
    Colonel Nathan R. Jessup

  22. TPL001

    Yes, it seems that Fiona Patten, who now wants restrictions lifted, has been duped.

    Premier Dan Andrew has stated that regional Victoria might be out of their restriction levels and ‘possibly’ jump two steps, back to ‘normal,’ by next week. Any money this does not happen.

    And his muted vengeful response to the reporter today about curfew is that it is here to stay. Odds on that Melbourne will not be out of lock down by October 26. His logic about curfew is twisted: cause it helps the police do their job! Now they do not have to waste their time shooing off people who hang around McDonald’s car parks. And how does it help the police do their job? Because people’s right to freedom of movement has been taken away. Makes their job easier.

    The classic, twisted logic is apparent in his quick-witted response to the charge that human rights have been abrogated: I do not care about human rights I care about human lives. Great.

    Today he presented a traffic report on car movements. This guy is not stupid. He micromanages but continues to repeatedly bang on about separation and contact and preclusion of the absence of the spread. But he has given away that he knows that the real area of concern is the aged (and health care workers). He is obstinate. He will not listen to any other scientific opinion, because he already has the one that politically suits him: elimination via separation by curfew and lock down (aka the removal of freedoms).

    A TKW survey of 300 Victorian frontline healthcare workers shows there has been a drop in support for Andrews from 86 per cent in April to 58 per cent in late August. Compare this to the recent Roy Morgan poll of 2325 Victorians, which found 70 per cent supported Mr Andrews’ work as Premier.

    One bright hope is that opposition to this tyranny might come from within his own ranks. It is not coming from the Federal government. He might become political waste if the ALP consider him an increasing political liability. Though he wants to destroy Victoria and punish Melbournians, he will be under mounting pressure from the other states and the Commonwealth as adopting a roadmap that is untenable. But he will not buckle unless a stronger man steps in and finds a way to deter him.

  23. Old Lefty

    And as Gans has pointed out, the roadmap requires “less than 0” cases in regional Victoria before easing!

  24. Ceres

    Like Mindfree above, I gave Fiona Patten a serve in no uncertain terms and got the same gibberish reply from the silly cow. She obviously hadn’t even bothered to read my pretty feisty email. No doubt she has been offered a lucrative public service job, by despot Dan, when she is turfed out.

  25. flyingduk

    I’m not claiming this to be the correct view, but it is interesting to see how lockdowns introduced past the peak of the pandemic have little or no effect on the death rate, and that the increase in testing creates it’s own “casedemic”

    I have been reading up on the effect of lockdowns and second waves and so on. I agree the evidence is in that lockdowns do nothing to stop the spread, and that ‘second waves’ after lifting lockdowns may well be artefacts of increased testing. To determine whether your second wave is real or an artefact, you need to look at the deaths that result, not the new ‘cases’. Doing so shows us that the Victorian ‘second wave’ IS accompanied by a lot of deaths, hence it IS a real second wave. My reading indicates that true second waves can only occur if there is a step increase in the susceptibility of the remaining at risk population, and that the only 2 causes for this are 1) A viral mutation: this is unusual so soon 2) a change in the season: I believe that seasonality is the cause here: Victoria’s ‘first wave’ occurred in summer and largely consisted of imported cruise line cases that then failed to prosper at large in the community. The second wave we are now in occurred in winter due to more favourable environmental conditions. This means Victoria is likely largely done with its COVID epidemic, and it will peter out over the next month or 2 (albeit, increased testing will keep spitting up large number of irrelvant PCR positives – they wont be accompanied by deaths). Those Australian states which have dodged the bullet so far will likely continue to dodge it until the onset of cooler weather next spring, at which point they will go through their own epidemics just as Vic has done.

  26. flyingduk

    Bugger… ‘spring’ = ‘autumn’

  27. Laurie Martinelli

    Saw this on Powerline, re the Serbia-Kosovo deal [https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/09/a-diplomatic-breakthrough-the-media-would-like-to-ignore.php]. Might be relevant to the wrecking of the Victorian economy.

    “The West Balkans has been a soft spot in the security of the architecture of Europe, ever since the break-up of the Yugoslav state. Russia has been playing a destabilizing role, exploiting ethnic and religious ties and deploying its copious disinformation capacities. In addition, the relatively weak economies of Southeast Europe have proven an easy target for Chinese penetration through the Belt and Road Initiative.

  28. Steve

    At some stage the cops have to be able to justify to their wives and husbands etc why they carry out El Prezidente orders, and they have coexist with their neighbours and friends……

    When that ability stops as the hurt in the community goes to 10/10, watch of Andrews to be mysteriously either being forced to resign, or may be lead out of his “bunker” wearing steel bracelets….

    Its coming…..

  29. mindfree

    My response to Fiona P. Her shit is in italics

    This 6 month extension is supported the Australian Medical Association and the Nurses Federation It is also supported by small business organisations such as the chamber of commerce and many more.

    Really? where’s the evidence they support the curfews, the limits and the wanton economic destruction and who are these “many small business organisations” the ones fronted by say the hospitality industry represented by Paul Dimattina – I don’t think so. CMO Sutton has just come out saying he did not support the curfews and commander Patton said it wasn’t Vicpol’s decision – see this is just what you supported – what about them apples?

    In my opinion The alternate option, to oppose the Bill and throw the doors open to Covid, would simply have been irresponsible. It might help the opposition get on the nightly news, but it won’t help Victorians on ventilators.

    How many are on ventilators again? I thought the ICU’s were not being used – hospitals are mainly vacant thanks to the absurd rule to stop elective surgery oh- you mean those in nursing homes? Go on give me a number compared to those who tested positive – you can use those numbers from July to bolster the current numbers as this seems to be the new counting methodology

    What a load of crap! So what sort of cushy deal were you offered for your support of the economic and human life of Victorians from this lockdown lunacy?

    No don’t bother replying

  30. Squirrel

    With parochialism just about off the scale in this country, there’s not too much the federal government can do to make state leaders “pay” for the costs of their decisions without it being turned against the federal government at the next election.

    The best that might be done is to refuse special deals, assess proposals rigorously and require matched funding.

    Albanese will pretend to be the saviour with his high speed rail proposal – the best answer to that would be to ask the point of “nation building” transport infrastructure if states can slam the door shut at whim (not to mention that it would also be a monumental white elephant).

  31. Steve

    I wonder if the Germans felt like Victorians do now, as the Enabling Laws were passed in the 1930s…

  32. John A

    I refused and negotiated a 6 month extension with a sunset clause which means it can’t be renewed.

    She clearly has not understood the point I made in my email to the cross-benches. If the Premier can ask for an extension and get it this time, then there is nothing to stop him or another Premier from asking again – using the precedent already set.

    There is no point to a six-month limit or a sunset clause. If the answer has been “yes” this time, then it can be “yes” another time. And she has the chutzpah to call her “party” the “Reason Party” ??

  33. notafan

    Fiona forgot option C

    To recall parliament to pass sensible something inbetween legislation a couple of months ago or even gasp! rely on Victorians to make rational decisions about their own health. Eg #istandwithdanandrews morons could continue to lock themselves in. They’ve said it often enough and if they are the 70% well that leaves plenty of hospital beds for the so called #covidiots

  34. notafan

    ‘victorians on ventilators’

    SOE extension got them off ventilators.

    I don’t think so.

    By the way that’s 6.5 million locked up because 20 odd people might be on ventilators.

    Seems reasonable.

    Could be 80,000!

  35. mem

    The big end of town has had enough of Daniel Andrews. Also note a new poll has revealed Labor would lose the state election if it was held today over the premier’s handling of the state’s horror second wave of coronavirus in Melbourne.

    A MediaReach poll of more than 3,000 voters in five marginal Labor seats, including the electorate of Deputy Premier James Merlino, revealed they would all be lost.
    “Labor would lose the state election with Liberals well ahead with 61.18 per cent of the vote on a two party-preferred basis, recording a 14 per cent swing against Labor since their big win at the 2018 election.”
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8720283/Myer-boss-slams-Daniel-Andrews-roadmap-lockdown-premiers-popularity-plummets-new-poll.html

  36. Ozman

    The BigBlueCat
    #3580753, posted on September 11, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    Noted the predicted models for deaths in Sweden have been 10 times less than actually were predicted with hard a lockdown such as dictator dan decided upon.

    Very interesting that the 2019 deaths for the winter flu season in Europe were lower than 2018 and it appears the chronically ill got a reprieve of another year (in aged care?).
    Stats for Europe:
    360 million people
    144000 died 2018
    less in 2019,
    40,000 more in 2020

  37. EvilElvis

    This 6 month extension is supported the Australian Medical Association and the Nurses Federation It is also supported by small business organisations such as the chamber of commerce and many more.

    Chuck the disgraceful media in with this lot of self absorbed activist groups that are disconnected from what should be their core business and you know why Australia is fucked. The money tap needs turning off. Now.

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