Well, maybe, perhaps

It’s a survey in Victoria by the Libs in five swing seats.

The election is two years from now by which time the lockdowns will probably be over so it hardly matters. It would have been interesting to have asked if anyone knew who the Leader of the Opposition is. We’ll see what happens in Queensland first.

AND LET ME ADD THIS: This is the first line of the front page story in The Age which they don’t appear to find concerning:

Premier Daniel Andrews says his COVID-19 curfew policy is about human lives and not human rights.

What a complete fool he is, without an ounce of self-reflection. As far as human lives go, he has been absolutely THE WORST PREMIER in Australia. More deaths in Victoria than in the rest of the country by far – 716 out of the Australian total of 803. But more importantly, he is straight up in stating that he knows he is trampling on our human rights, our freedoms and our abilities to run our own lives in our own way. He is everything his critics say he is. The irony in this story is quite over his head, of course:

An immense police presence, bad weather and confusion over the location of a series of planned anti-lockdown protests across Melbourne has resulted in crowd sizes falling significantly short of organisers’ expectations.

As Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews described protesters as “selfish and unlawful”, at least four participants at one of the planned protests were led away by police officers on Saturday in handcuffs.

The right to protest etc etc etc. If it weren’t so tragic it would be funny:

“I have said many times this week and I will make the point again because I think it is an important one, data trumps modelling every time. Actual numbers,’’ he said.

Guess who?

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74 Responses to Well, maybe, perhaps

  1. I suspect that this is fueling the fires somewhat:

    Curfew, stage four COVID lockdown under fire from all sides

    Mind you, if some had their way, the likes of the curfew would be here forever (despite what he says):

    Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius made it clear on Friday that the curfew had his support and that it had been “of significant benefit” in reducing crime, but said he did not believe it should be extended any longer than necessary.

    “While police don’t write the Chief Health Officer’s directions … we have certainly found the curfew of significant benefit in terms of us being able to keep the community safe,” he said.

    “There has been a reduction in the number of out-of-control parties being held in the CBD since the curfew, as well as a drop in high-harm crimes such as carjackings and home invasions.

  2. Mustapha Bunn

    ” by which time the lock downs will be over”. No ! Andrews has another 6 months,at least,to continue with his wrecking of Melbourne and he will use it.

  3. a happy little debunker

    the lockdowns will probably be over

    Ya think?
    No vaccination = lockdowns / lockouts & restrictions.

    These tactics will continue because ‘elimination’ is the only strategy our collective governments have adopted.

  4. Chris M

    Aw, Steve is so cute. He thinks there will be an election in two years time.

    To vote for a socialist there is only one election and that is in the past now. Get used to the new normal Steve.

  5. Wallace

    Here is my theory.
    Danistan will announce a billion or two dollars to save the state.
    The money will come from existing infrastructure spending.
    That money gap will be replaced with Belt and Road funding.
    How could you refuse?

  6. min

    There will be a petition to governor requesting she does not give royal assent to the legislation extending the emergency powers after 13 th September. This will upset the apple cart as It’s not reducing numbers top of Dan’s agenda it is maintaining power and control . Think about what he could have pushed through with just the others in gang of 8 to keep him in check and they are all lily livered sycophants .
    It will be very interesting to see who saves their own backsides at quarantine inquiry and dobs Dan in next week . He’ll be up the proverbial creek.

  7. cuckoo

    While police don’t write the Chief Health Officer’s directions..

    Pay attention flatfoot, the CHO did not direct the curfew. From the neck up Cornelius looks like a lesbian civil celebrant.

  8. Roger

    the lockdowns will probably be over

    But the aftermath will linger fo ryears.

    As for QLD, the LNP has led in the polls since March.

    Labor’s internal polling has prompted three cabinet ministers to announce their retirement “to spend more time with their families”.

    And Palaszczuk’s foray into state jingoism – her last resort – has backfired badly on her.

  9. stackja

    Victorian voters keep electing ALP to government expecting a different result.

  10. cuckoo

    And by 2022 the ABC will be broadcasting a miniseries drama about how Daniel Andrews saved the world. Starring Chris Hemsworth as Andrews, Mary Coustas as Jenny Mikakos, David Wenham as Brett Sutton, and Mick Molloy as Martin Pakula. With a cameo by Ernie Dingo as Bruce Pascoe.

  11. cuckoo

    The real takeaway from that polling is that O’Brien is one point short of Andrews as preferred premier, at a time when O’Brien has zero public profile. It’s really a choice between Andrews and anybody-not-Andrews.

  12. HP

    The Leader of the Opposition is Tim Smith, of “Chairman Dan” fame.

    There is also that other guy, O-what’s-his-name. He’s been replaced. He just does not know it yet.

  13. H B Bear

    I get the feeling that the worm is turning.

    Chairman Dan and Pony Girl have both over-reached. Chairman Dan has time on his side, which might save the Liars under their new leader. Pony Girl might pick up a couple of months on Jobkeeper.

  14. WolfmanOz

    Finally, I think this poll/survey is a glimmer of hope . . .

    The lockdowns have literally impacted everyone in a manner that just cannot be erased. Say, unlike the Red Shirts scandal which in itself should have resulted in Andrews and his gang being booted out of office for high corruption and cheating, but eventually was forgotten as it didn’t really direct impact the populace.

    COVID-1984 Lockdowns are just in another world.

    The impact of the Lockdowns will be felt for years to comes, especially in Victoria, with higher than the national unemployment, business collapses, depression, suicides etc etc; and, although there will still be a sizeable rump of public servants and inner-city lefties, the revulsion of most of the rest of us will see us take a basely bat to wipeout of the ALP in Victoria.

    I’m sure the Libs will be re-running the Guilty Party ads again which were so devastating in eventually nailing the Kirner Govt to the wall.

  15. notafan

    State opposition get zero airtime on m
    MSM

    Unless they waste their advertising budget two years out that’s the way it’s going to be.

    Andrews on the other hand spends two hours a day in front of the cameras for free, well actually for about a billion a week but who cares about that.

  16. Unless they waste their advertising budget two years out that’s the way it’s going to be.

    This is the problem, the LNP doesn’t have a lot of money while Labor has the unions to funnel as much as is required from the super funds.

  17. min

    No according to Richard Riordan LNP all out to keep it front of public’s mind until election . There will probably be plenty of opportunities in the next 2 years given the aftermath of the devastation will be ongoing and enormous so no need to advertise just keep appearing in the media.

  18. notafan

    They are all over twitter with the #istandwithdanandrews morons thinking they are landing a thousand and One punches

  19. For some reason, or no reason, Victorians will forget Andrews’ string of untruths and financial missteps and vote him in again. He got in on a lie, won a second term on top of a list of lies, but people continue to vote labor here., so I reckon they’ll get in again. Why?

  20. notafan

    I mean by infesting every LNP post with their moronic comments

  21. John A

    Quoting from the rAge article:

    Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius made it clear on Friday that the curfew had his support and that it had been “of significant benefit” in reducing crime, but said he did not believe it should be extended any longer than necessary.

    Hey, so-called journos, that’s NOT what he said:

    “While police don’t write the Chief Health Officer’s directions … we have certainly found the curfew of significant benefit in terms of us being able to keep the community safe,” he said.

    And you wonder why we hate the media spin, and why we trust you less than a used-car saleman?

  22. Nato

    This is heartening.

    The Andrew’s government seems to be taking the line that if you will not be afraid of what the government tells you to be afraid of, you will be afraid of the Government.

    I thought that Victorians would be more keen to play the government informer role than they have been.

    It’s going to be super interesting to watch the Libs figure out how to lose this election.

  23. Docket62

    i took heart in those poll numbers not only in the bitch slap it gave labor (Andrews is a dead man walking so we care not for him)… but look at the Greens numbers. they’ve almost halved. With an enormous amount of will its possible to wipe the floor of the greens once and for all, as well as that stripper Patten and the animal justice league of Australia.

    Now, if we can only keep Victorians from forgetting this saga.

  24. Tom

    A tellltale sign that the results of that survey won’t be relicated at an election anytime ever is that, in four of the five seats — all Green-voting public service dormitories — the notional Greens vote is roughly half what it was at the 2018 state election.

    Never. Going. To. Happen.

    However, the survey is useful in telling us just how pissed off Green voters are with Andrews because half of them have shifted their vote to the Lieborals — which will never happen in a million years.

    Everyone in Victoria is now experiencing Belt And Road communist authoritarianism personally — just like the Uighur mueslis being railroaded to re-education camps in outback China. It’s different when it’s personal and isn’t just happening to someone else.

  25. Tom

    Never forget that the Greens vote is essentially a protest vote by hyper-idealistic, hyper-moralistic millenial narcissists upset that that their demands for instant gratification aren’t being met by the government, which — in the absence of any judeo-Christian morality which they’ve never known since their parents were their family’s first generation of athiests — they regard as their real parents.

  26. Victorian voters keep electing ALP to government expecting a different result.

    Why do you keep repeating this shit? Not all Victorians vote Labor, not by a long shot. We have protests going on now where there are more cops in attendance than at any BLM or other Left wing protest, ready to beat the crap out of everyone and it’s still not sufficient indication that Victorians don’t all support Labor.

    Tell me, do all Queenslanders support Labor because Labor is in power? Do all West Australians support Labor similarly? If the LNP wins a state, does that means all in that state vote LNP? FFS pull your head in and engage your brain, if there is one.

  27. Lee

    Premier Daniel Andrews says his COVID-19 curfew policy is about human lives and not human rights.

    Says a now exposed totalitarian.
    Human lives without “human rights” is almost meaningless.
    Anyway, who gave this sanctimonious dickhead the right to subject Victorians to his arbitrary whims?

  28. William the Conjuror

    It’s a survey in Victoria by the Libs in five swing seats.

    It’s meaningless. There will not be an election in Victoria until 2022.

  29. Premier Daniel Andrews says his COVID-19 curfew policy is about human lives and not human rights.

    The question now is, where is the AHRC, its supporters and the UN? If this were an LNP government acting like this, every Leftist organisation in the world would be railing against the government.

  30. Hay Stockard

    Patriots don’t vote Labor.

  31. mem

    It will be interesting to see what happens if there is a vacancy and a by election has to be held. The chances of at least one or vacancies occurring in two years is pretty high.

  32. egg_

    Premier Daniel Andrews says his COVID-19 curfew policy is about human lives and not human rights.

    Supercomputer says “No!”.

  33. William the Conjuror

    It will be interesting to see what happens if there is a vacancy and a by election has to be held. The chances of at least one or vacancies occurring in two years is pretty high.

    Interesting only to the extent that it might indicate voting intentions more widely than the seats involved at the time. But one or two, or even ten, vacancies will not change the government. Labor holds 55 of the 88 seats in the Legislative Assembly.

  34. mem

    William the Conjuror
    #3582355, posted on September 12, 2020 at 3:02 pm
    It’s a survey in Victoria by the Libs in five swing seats.

    It’s meaningless. There will not be an election in Victoria until 2022.

    What it does is counter the propaganda that is bandied about by the media based on the less than rigorous Roy Morgan research which was aimed at suppressing opposition to Daniel Andrews ill founded lockdown. People now know that they are not alone in this and will come out of their shells. Plus the media may just start to realize they are preaching to a hostile audience. Also, congratulations to the Libs for commissioning the research. They show they can fight and this is just the beginning.

  35. miltonf

    Victorian voters keep electing ALP to government expecting a different result.

    Why do you keep repeating this shit? Not all Victorians vote Labor, not by a long shot. We have protests going on now where there are more cops in attendance than at any BLM or other Left wing protest, ready to beat the crap out of everyone and it’s still not sufficient indication that Victorians don’t all support Labor.
    Tell me, do all Queenslanders support Labor because Labor is in power? Do all West Australians support Labor similarly? If the LNP wins a state, does that means all in that state vote LNP? FFS pull your head in and engage your brain, if there is one.

    It’s not even true- Victorian elected a Liberal government ten years ago. You do get tired of these inane cretins.

  36. Docket62

    Labor holds 55 of the 88 seats in the Legislative Assembly.

    Historical swings in Victoria against labor aren’t unprecedented. Kennett belted the snot out of them, and he wasn’t liked much then either. Whilst there’s no one leading the opposition at present I suspect Owhatshisname wont be there come election time. He’s the political equivalent of a night watchman.

    All you’d need to do is remind Victorians of what these arseholes have and are still doing and remove half of them at the ballot box. And then I’d start working through the top ranks of the Coppers and weeding a few of those fuckers out.

  37. Mustapha Bunn

    Bemused …X 100.
    More coppers than protesters which should be expected since the black shirts blocked off access to the CBD. What should be organised is not another protest next weekend but one during the week starting about 9 am. Give Andrews and his henchmen some grief. Get them to block the roads into the city during rush hour and then see how the rest of Melbournians feel about that. Then repeat every other day until this piece of garbage and his vomit inducing Cornelius are gone.
    P.s. hopefully I will receive a visit from you know who over this post.

  38. Jock

    Must have been difficult for union leading leftist commissar Cornelius to organise the Police roster for the protests. After all if you need 5 or 6 cops to apprehend 2 old ladies sitting on a park bench then he probably had to deputise half of the CMFEU for assistance.

    BTW can I ask in all seriousness, were those Police proud of their achievement? All 6 of them?

  39. nb

    Strap the entire population to their beds and feed them through a tube. Human life preserved, forever. Just like the Uighers in China.
    China ALP, learning every day.

  40. egg_

    congratulations to the Libs for commissioning the research. They show they can fight and this is just the beginning.

    +1

    Andrews is out of control, and everyone on the planet knows it.

  41. Damon

    I find it hard to believe that Australians, supposedly the world’s most notorious larrikins and iconoclasts, have put up with this at all, let alone for as long as they have.

  42. yarpos

    “Rush hour” what a concept, maybe you should rethink your plan.

    Its interesting to see the resources marshalled for the lockdown protests, contrast with the hand wringing and inability to addess the BLM protests.

  43. WolfmanOz

    Excellent piece in Quadrant from Christopher Carr:

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/09/daniel-andrews-victoria-scenes-from-a-failed-state/

    Another point of difference this time is the growing number of recorded instances of police over-reach and bullying.

    As Mr. Carr says “the police will become the enemy of the people the longer this lockdown continues”.

  44. rege

    What is the bet that there is no release for regional Victoria next week? Premier Daniel Andrews will find a way.

    And according to “Victoria’s roadmap for reopening”, what are the odds that Melbourne will not be released from curfew on 28 September?

    I am betting that he will find a way to keep us shuttered after 26 October.

    However, he is building up a lot of resentment and anger.

  45. Mustapha Bunn

    Yarpos …. the Vicpol chief this week admitted that police did not attempt to disperse/prevent the BLM protest as it was perceived to be violent. Now of course they front up in full riot gear to a protest at which no one except for 3 or 4 who have wriggled a bit, has become violent despite numbers of them being thrown to the ground by half a dozen plods. A photo published today of a copper in full riot gear in front of the steps to the Shrine is a disgrace. That such a thing could happen at Melbourne’s War Memorial should be condemned by all.

  46. Professor Fred Lenin

    Any protests are selfish , they are not taking into consideration the careers of the politicians and career public servants . They are also Racist ,Misogynistic ,Homophoblic and anti poofterish . Never mind about you selfish job ,home ,rent what about the jobs of your betters ,we are doing this to advance global co operation,peace and the environment . Look how much poisonous CO2 gas we have removed by traffic reductions .
    So suck it up you extreme righr racist poofterphobic scum ,and do as you are told or the Stasi will be around .

  47. Rockdoctor

    Damon
    #3582424, posted on September 12, 2020 at 4:10 pm

    It’s a myth. I came to that conclusion a while back. Look at how eager a sizable portion of the country is to adopt every virtue signalling concept dreamed up. How ready they are to lag on someone who doesn’t follow the narrative. We have wholesale adopted a modern form of Puritanism that I don’t think will end well. The fact the Vic cops aren’t walking off the job or just flat out refusing to arrest anti-lockdown protesters is telling.

  48. Now if the full force of the African refugee lot got involved in these protests, they’d cement their place in Australia’s history as fair dinkum new Australians fighting off oppression.

  49. Rockdoctor

    bemused, am curious about this one. A few weeks ago the Albanian boys from Dandenong & the Lebs from Broady started acting up against the lockdown. Seems they had enough. Then it disappears, just like that. We all know how heavily invested the ALP are in ethic groups. They’ve been branch stacking with impunity for years now. So I’d be interested whether a deal has been done with community leaders to nip it in the bud before it even gets going and what concessions were made.

    Personally with the lack of inquisitiveness of modern mainstream media I don’t think we will ever know.

  50. Catcalling Inebriate

    Let’s hope so! But Libs should have won the last election. Their campaign strategy was utterly mindless.

  51. H B Bear

    Rockdoctor – I expect a few Liars faceless men suggested that there might be a problem with a few community program grants if it continued.

  52. Squirrel

    Encouraging numbers given that the longer term economic effects have yet to be felt.

    A fair chunk of the blame for the economic damage will be put on the federal government by Andrews and most of the media, but a proportion of those who cheered on the crazy restrictions because they thought they could “work” from home forever on full salary will blame the State government when they find themselves on Jobseeker.

  53. Papachango

    I trust those of us in Melbourne will be putting our boots outside tomorrow?

    I’m digging up an old pair as I reckon some concerned citizen here in the Yarra People’s Republic will steal them…

  54. Crossie

    “There has been a reduction in the number of out-of-control parties being held in the CBD since the curfew, as well as a drop in high-harm crimes such as carjackings and home invasions.

    You could almost see the wheels turning in Cornelius’s head, permanent lockdown means no crime at all.

  55. Fair Shake

    There is an online protest tomorrow via Facebook. People are asked to show their support by placing a pair of boots out the front of the house, take a photo and send to ‘Give Dan the Boot.’ 40,000 have registered interest.

  56. Bob

    The Governor of Victoria has Reserve Powers for “exceptional circumstances”.
    These are exceptional circumstances.
    He may dismiss the Premier and dissolve the legislative assembly pending a new election.
    Do it.

  57. HT

    Jock
    #3582409, posted on September 12, 2020 at 3:49 pm
    Must have been difficult for union leading leftist commissar Cornelius to organise the Police roster for the protests. After all if you need 5 or 6 cops to apprehend 2 old ladies sitting on a park bench then he probably had to deputise half of the CMFEU for assistance.

    BTW can I ask in all seriousness, were those Police proud of their achievement? All 6 of them?

    VicStasi are loving it. All the bovver boy power AND overtime coming out of their ears to boot!

  58. HT

    Bob
    #3582816, posted on September 12, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    The Governor of Victoria has Reserve Powers for “exceptional circumstances”.
    These are exceptional circumstances.
    He may dismiss the Premier and dissolve the legislative assembly pending a new election.
    Do it.

    It’s a “she”. At least, it has a cervix… And she’s Danny’s girl, a diversity pick. Remember, she gave Royal Assent to his 6 month extension of the Police State just hours after it was passed in the Upper House (a process usually taking weeks).

  59. mem

    Our Premier Daniel Andrews makes a mockery of his position and government. Today he made a big concession for Victorians. Take a big breath, yes, next week we can take our pets for grooming with social distancing for owners and wait for it, we can also go to a beautician but only have things done that don’t involve taking a mask off! Aren’t you all ecstatic? (Brazillians all round guys, girls, dogs and pussy cats). The man is a lunatic. Stark raving off his lid…

  60. The Sheriff

    Bayswater was only previously win by Labor in the 2002 landslide.

    Hawthorn won for the first time in the 2018 landslide.

    South Barwon has been held by the Libs in opposition previously.

    Fact is, both Bayswater and Hawthorn are historically safe seats. That they are even included in a marginal seats poll is a testament to how hopeless the Vic LNP are.

  61. Struth

    Does anyone seriously believe an election in a couple of years is of any concern to Dan or any of the global socialists even those in the Lieboral party?
    FMD.
    Denialism.

  62. Entropy

    With a cameo by Ernie Dingo as Bruce Pascoe.

    Whiteface?

  63. Entropy

    It’s not even true- Victorian elected a Liberal government ten years ago. You do get tired of these inane cretins.

    Are you sure? Didn’t look like an one to me.

  64. Robber Baron

    Premier Daniel Andrews says his COVID-19 curfew policy is about human lives and not human rights.

    The way l read that is Andrews is in favour of slavery.

    He considers us as cattle.

  65. PB

    He well understands the depths of his and Labor’s criminal-level failures in Victoria, and is stuck in an over-compensation pattern of behaviour, trying to look concerned so as to cover his and his Party’s negligence. He will act as though he has saved the State, while hoping that everyone forgets that it was a tragedy he and his Party created.

  66. mem

    He will act as though he has saved the State, while hoping that everyone forgets that it was a tragedy he and his Party created.

    Dan will not rely on hope, he has probably already commissioned the ads, drafted the media releases and prepped hi media on the great story “How Daniel Andrews saved Victorians” and with this will come His five year plan to transform Victoria into “The Great Green State”. He may even organize a march for liberty.

  67. Terry

    Rockdoctor
    #3582447, posted on September 12, 2020 at 4:39 pm
    +100

  68. Ozman

    Sally Joseph: the two year marathon has begun.
    https://youtu.be/I3r1q3tVphI

  69. maman

    Robber Baron @ 7:42am

    “Premier Daniel Andrews . . . He considers us as cattle”.

    We are being “herded” into mobs.

    Andrews works away, everyday at his press conferences, DIVIDING Victorians into mobs.

    Good/bad = Essential/Nonessential workers; Public/Private sector workers; Not for profit/For Profit workplaces; Regional/Metro workers. And then he says politics is furthest from his mind.

    This is downright ugly. There is a visceral sense of revulsion to this pitting of Victorians against each other. Dangerous.

    (No wonder he gets so many phone calls from his mum. (a comment Andrews made at either last Friday’s or Thursday’s press conference))

  70. Seza

    Michael O’Brien does a daily doorstop meeting with the journalists every day, but you never see the reportage in the press. Is it any wonder he is unknown?

  71. Philby

    It will be very interesting to see who saves their own backsides at quarantine inquiry and dobs Dan in next week . He’ll be up the proverbial creek.

    I would not place much store in the inquiry outcome as I believe our Jennifer is well and truly in the tent.

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