What Daniel Andrews needs to understand about Covid-19

The problem with Daniel Andrews has been from the start that he’s not very bright and has only a limited grasp of the issues. He does however like to tell people what to do and has little time for actual discussion and debate since argument is not really his preferred form of persuasion. The video will bring you up to date on where the Covid story now finds itself. It is a shame Andrews doesn’t get any of this. The video although somewhat long (but not too long) really is an eyeopener.

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38 Responses to What Daniel Andrews needs to understand about Covid-19

  1. Gerry

    Incredibly clear science as science should be.

  2. H B Bear

    Maybe they don’t teach this in a Monash BA?

  3. H B Bear

    Bullshit modelling. Where have we seen that before?

  4. My dear Watson

    Desperate Dan will be having conniptions right now.
    The flu season is all but over, but the has to find a way to push it all the way through to the “Third Wave” next March.

  5. Ed Case

    This comment is part of a discussion on UR some might find interesting:
    Ron Unz says:
    September 11, 2020 at 6:16 pm GMT • 200 Words ⇑
    ***@Verymuchalive
    You continue to grossly exaggerate the threat of COVID-19…top acting like an alarmist and get a grip on reality. COVID-19 is a minor health threat…You’re a trained scientist: look at the facts.
    ***

    The two crucial facts about Covid-19 are (1) It is extremely contagious and (2) it is moderately dangerous, with estimated average fatality rates between 0.5% and 1.0%, but having an enormous age-skew, based upon all the evidence as summarized in a recent WSJ article:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-is-covid-19-researchers-are-getting-closer-to-an-answer-11595323801

    These approximate facts have been known from February, and nothing I’ve seen has changed my mind. Absent strong public health measures, we would expect it to kill something like 0.5% to 1.0% of a nation’s population, and whether or not that’s a large number is a matter of personal opinion.

    This is not a thread for debating the dangers of Covid-19, and comments that do so are likely to be trashed.
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/31000-words-miss

  6. Rohan

    I posted this on the OT 2-3 days back.

  7. Rohan

    Fuck off Ed. It’s only dangerous if your old or compromised.

  8. Roger W

    Steve, you seriously underestimate Andrews – he is busy creating exactly the society he wants in Victoria, and what he would like to spread to the rest of Australia.
    Just because you think that vision is crazy does not mean it is being deliberately sought.

  9. cuckoo

    Great presentation, helped by his very laidback delivery: he sounds like Val Doonican. If only we could strap Andrews and Sutton into the Clockwork Orange eyelid clamps and force them to watch this.

  10. candy

    It is very infectious and goes for the lungs and bad, basically fatal for the very elderly as it just one complication too much for their old systems. We know all that.

    Those over 65 or so with some issues like former smoker, diabetes, obesity, previous battles with flu and other illnesses etc need be careful, especially as they are generally still working full or part time, involved in looking after grandkids, voluntary work, travel. Their lives are still full and active in the community.

    So I think borders and restrictions must be cut and has to be done soon, but the over 65’s not as robust as they could be, need to exercise due caution as the virus will still circulate.

  11. John A

    However, if we read the other thread
    it will be clear that Diktator Dan would be impervious to the message presented here.

    He suffers from (or rather, he ENJOYS) massive confirmation bias of his own opinion, and is not interested in opposing views.

  12. The BigBlueCat

    My brother sent me this a few days ago (he’s in San Francisco) … he said I would be pissed off … I was.

  13. John A

    candy #3583595, posted on September 13, 2020, at 3:55 pm

    It is very infectious…

    But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious. The real question is, do the measures employed this year to battle this particular virus represent good, scientifically-based policy?

    And this demonstrates that whole of community measures (other than INITIAL travel bans) are neutral. The spread and impact of the virus are indifferent to the measures such as community lockdowns, masks, business shutdowns and curfews.

    By contrast, targetted measures to protect at-risk people (old, co-morbid, weak immune systems) without clobbering the whole of society or the whole economy would have been medically valid.

    So the natural conclusion is that everything else is politics.

  14. candy

    John A

    I don’t think we’ve been really “tested” to see without lockdowns and restrictions how prevalent the virus is and how it will affect over 65’s who are health compromised in some way, eg, ex-smoker, diabetes, after a battle with cancer.

    I don’t think 65 is at all “elderly” or diabetes or a bout of cancer some rare disease and people have many years ahead of them.
    I’m just wondering if that particular demographic that needs some extra caution in terms of ceasing lockdowns and restrictions.

  15. Ed Case

    ***But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious. ***
    The Common Cold isn’t infectious at all, nobody has ever even claimed that before.
    Sure, only old people have died, but how many are symptomless carriers?

    But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious.

    But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious.

  16. notafan

    The #IStandWithDanAndrews morons dont like Ivor.

    They just wave him off. They don’t present an alternative.

    He’s an unperson.

  17. The problem with ___________ has been from the start that he’s not very bright and has only a limited grasp of the issues. He does however like to tell people what to do and has little time for actual discussion and debate since argument is not really his preferred form of persuasion.

    It’s always projection.

  18. H B Bear

    candy, mUnty and Gargooglery. I declare this thread dead,

    RIP.

  19. I got ten minutes into this video and there wasn’t one stat that wasn’t distorted, misrepresented and cherrypicked. I suppose I shouldn’t have expected anything more from morons who think climate change is a hoax.

  20. I mean, apart from anything else, contending that masks and lockdowns don’t work when you live in Victoria and have seen the evidence for the opposite of that claim, day by day, piling up, is just the height of stupidity.

  21. Procrustes

    OK Mr Kates. This is your best post evah.

  22. monty

    Climate change is happening, but it isn’t significant.

    6.5 cm per century according to the reliable tide gauge in Sydney.

    So we have until about 2300 to change over to nuke power.

    Have a donut and a good lie down.

  23. I mean, apart from anything else, contending that masks and lockdowns don’t work when you live in Victoria and have seen the evidence for the opposite of that claim, day by day, piling up, is just the height of stupidity.

    We don’t wear masks in NSW and we’re not locked down and we’ve had stuff all deaths.

  24. notafan

    How did you work that out in ten minutes Monty .

    Mind like a Dan Andrews supercomputer?

    France is not going back into lockdown.

    Let’s see how that pans out.

    Btw whose fault exactly is the situation in Victoria?

    It sure isn’t mine, or anyone of my acquaintance.

    #danmadedisaster

  25. Rex Anger

    I mean, apart from anything else, contending that masks and lockdowns don’t work when you live in Victoria and have seen the evidence for the opposite of that claim, day by day, piling up, is just the height of stupidity.

    This mUntage is brought to you by LockDan- Because Resistance is Futile…

    Do not challenge your helpful, friendly and civic-minded LockDrones today!

  26. Rex Anger

    We don’t wear masks in NSW and we’re not locked down and we’ve had stuff all deaths.

    Ditto Sandgroperstan. The Cold with Consequences will eventually find its way here, but WAkkers have been free for so long that applying Maximum LockDan tactics will result in Comrade Sneakers being a one-hit wonder. Maybe even less…

  27. JohnA

    Ed Case #3583753, posted on September 13, 2020, at 6:45 pm
    Ed Case
    #3583753, posted on September 13, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    ***But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious. ***
    The Common Cold isn’t infectious at all, nobody has ever even claimed that before

    It’s easily transmitted Ed, and many people catch it each season. It’s just not very potent so almost everyone who catches it recovers fully.

  28. Stan

    The problem is that Andrews does understand all of this. Read Brian Loughnane’s article to understand. It is not about the coronavirus.

  29. Lee

    I mean, apart from anything else, contending that masks and lockdowns don’t work when you live in Victoria and have seen the evidence for the opposite of that claim, day by day, piling up, is just the height of stupidity.

    Yeah, sure they have worked.
    That’s why Victoria has recorded 600+ more deaths than the rest of Australia combined.
    I live in Victoria and have seen zero evidence for your assertions.

  30. Lee, the outbreak happened before masks were mandated. Since masks have come in and the lockdown has been tightened up, the case rate has plummeted from nearly a thousand to below fifty.

    It is not hard to understand, unless you are stupid.

  31. Lee

    Lee, the outbreak happened before masks were mandated. Since masks have come in and the lockdown has been tightened up, the case rate has plummeted from nearly a thousand to below fifty.

    The case rate was always going to come down, regardless, as it has everywhere.
    Even Andrews and the CMO, five or six months ago admitted there was no need for masks.
    There is absolutely no proof of the masks’ effectiveness.

  32. The BigBlueCat

    m0nty
    #3583813, posted on September 13, 2020 at 7:45 pm
    I mean, apart from anything else, contending that masks and lockdowns don’t work when you live in Victoria and have seen the evidence for the opposite of that claim, day by day, piling up, is just the height of stupidity.

    The masks and lockdowns were due to the stupidity of allowing private contractors without training or supervision handling hotel quarantining. It is abundantly evident that ADF reseources were offered, accepted then denied, yet Dictator Dan says who knew nothing (is he play-acting Sgt Schultz??? – Victorians certainly feel they’re in a Stalag camp).

    Despite what others think, I reckon masks and social distancing are responsible ways of controlling community transmission, though lockdowns and curfews are not. When you have Liberty Victoria questioning the validity of lockdowns and curfews from a human rights perspective, something must be seriously wrong.

    There is currently no justification for lockdown or curfews in Victoria – if there was, NSW would also be in lockdown and have curfews (but they don’t). If we are all Australians, then apply what other states are doing under current circumstances. We have over-capacity in hospitals and ICU’s to handle any potential new wave.

  33. Epidermis

    m0nty
    #3584418, posted on September 14, 2020 at 11:59 am
    Lee, the outbreak happened before masks were mandated. Since masks have come in and the lockdown has been tightened up, the case rate has plummeted from nearly a thousand to below fifty.

    It is not hard to understand, unless you are stupid.

    No, its clear you didn’t view the video objectively. If you had you would have seen it is you who does not understand and in your terms therefore it is you who is stupid. Go back and view again with an open mind if at all possible or are you just a useful idiot of the VicStazi?

  34. Epidermis

    Below is a comment based on a, to put it politely, a furphy.
    Ed Case
    #3583753, posted on September 13, 2020 at 6:45 pm
    ***But candy what does that mean? Even the common cold is very infectious. ***
    The Common Cold isn’t infectious at all, nobody has ever even claimed that before.
    Sure, only old people have died, but how many are symptomless carriers?

    Now I reference our own aussie healthline website:

    Colds are contagious 1-2 days before symptoms start and for another 2 weeks after which you are no longer contagious.

    Bottom line: Colds are contagious, just ask any family! Let’s keep to the facts, not medieval claptrap.

  35. AndrewWA

    @ Monty

    Ever get the feeling that you’re a lone voice in the wilderness??

    What data or viewpoints do you believe to be questionable?

    Ivor Cummins has used published data to support his viewpoints – that’s all part of the scientific method.
    If you disgree with it then refute his conclusions.

    To just attempt to trash it because you disagree with it IS NOT part of the scientific method.

  36. m0nty
    #3584418, posted on September 14, 2020 at 11:59 am

    Lee, the outbreak happened before masks were mandated. Since masks have come in and the lockdown has been tightened up, the case rate has plummeted from nearly a thousand to below fifty.

    It is not hard to understand, unless you are stupid.

    It was even less in NSW with no masks before the Ruby Princess was allowed to disembark.

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