Tuesday Forum: September 15, 2020

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  1. calli

    And, incidentally, its backside.

  2. calli

    Lol. A reference to Goodes’ bottom gets page podium.

  3. Mitch M.

    vlad
    #3589651, posted on September 18, 2020 at 6:57 pm
    albeit at the cost of 5,800 lives.

    A grown-up society would accept that diseases kill people; you ameliorate that by medical means as best you can, not by shutting down the entire society.

    Except if there is a possibility that the pathogen could be devastate a society. At the start of all this we didn’t know the possible outcome so prudence reigned. Part of the problem is that scientists and doctors are inclined to take the most cautious and not necessarily most rational approach to possible disasters. I think what is driving politicians now is the fear that any spike in deaths will result in a reduction in votes. They should have adopted a much more focused approach to isolating the spread. Shutting down so much movement and economic activity is a huge mistake possibly caused by the pollies listening to well paid specialists who don’t care about the economic impact because it doesn’t hurt them.

  4. Roger

    If any good is to come out of this it will involve constitutional changes to limit the power of pollies…

    And CMOs.

    That is to say, the various public health emergency Acts need to be amended.

    There needs to be a broader suite of advice sought in such matters.

    And politicians oughtn’t be able to defer to CMOs in the decision making process, effectively isolating themselves from the moral consequences.

  5. Roger

    I see Mitch & me are singing from the same hymn sheet.

    Great minds 😉

  6. cohenite

    Just watched Trump speaking in Wisconsin. This guy is the greatest politician ever. He loves his country and Western values; the gloves are off now since biden accused him of hating the military. No one could debate him. Biden at the debates will be full of steroids, Cholinesterase inhibitors and any other drug which keeps him conscious; he’ll possibly have electrodes in what is left of his brain; biden is literally the Frankenstein candidate, the chunk Frankenstein candidate. The chunks no doubt have been working feverishly on stimulants to raise biden’s cortex from the dead. Don’t be surprised if bat wings sprout from his forehead during the debates. Anything is possible when Trump is involved.

  7. Sweden called it correctly. This will only become clearer the longer this goes. The only people that will studiously avoid this conclusion are Leftist zombies like number, monty, and the like.

    If you think Sweden is a COVID success, you’re a moron.

  8. notafan

    Iirc over 50 percent of Swedish deaths were nursing home patients, they definitely failed to put in appropriate disease control protocols there early enough and there are suggestions those same patients were triaged out of hospitals beds as well.

  9. Makka

    That is to say, the various public health emergency Acts need to be amended.

    There needs to be a broader suite of advice sought in such matters.

    And politicians oughtn’t be able to defer to CMOs in the decision making process, effectively isolating themselves from the moral consequences.

    While that is what should happen, history tells us that politicians will only attempt to accumulate more power rather than limit or reduce it. I’m betting that after this , we will see laws that make it much easier for politicians to enforce mass restrictions and limits to our freedom. Vic is the test case.

  10. mh

    Avi Yemini
    @OzraeliAvi
    ·
    5h
    Dan Andrews is trying to give police the power to arrest people who have NOT committed an offence.

    The new laws would give public servants the power of arbitrary detention against citizens they think might breach lockdown.

    But the left gets triggered when I tweet #DictatorDan.

  11. Roger

    I’m betting that after this , we will see laws that make it much easier for politicians to enforce mass restrictions and limits to our freedom.

    Push back!

  12. Fat Tony

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3589652, posted on September 18, 2020 at 6:57 pm
    And then the Forged in Fire guys had a real challenge. Make a Viking war axe from a train spring and coconuts. Who writes this? But any decent smith could do it. Carbon is carbon and steel is steel. You just put them together on a smithing furnace and hammer it a lot until what you want emerges, like Michelangelo did with marble.

    Should that be “iron” not “steel”?
    Steels ain’t steels Sol. There are many different types, and the carbon content is but one variable.

  13. cohenite

    My brother is the same – socially obtuse, but an excellent diagnostician.
    Aspergers runs in the family.

    What a fucking dickhead the troll is.

  14. Roger

    Let’s remind ourselves:

    History teaches that totalitarianism never wins in the long run.

    It is a short term anomaly in difficult times.

    The human spirit cannot be repressed indefinitely.

  15. JC

    Fatboy, actually you’re the moron and you should be in the basement.

    50% of Sweden’s death toll was in their nursing homes. They have a peculiar situation where their nursing homes are very large. Like other countries, they didn’t do a great job of protecting their old. However, they did do a good job of managing the china bug when you exclude the old age homes. The interesting thing about Sweden is that their caseload is falling to insignificant levels and there’s an argument they may have reached herd immunity,

    You dumb fuck, the only way forward for Australia with the current approach is permanent lockdown to the outside world until a vaccine is available. We will also be in and out of lockdowns until that time. We’re rooted.

    Get back in back in the basement and don’t come out. Shoo!

  16. Snoopy

    You’re at the bus stop waiting for the 397. It comes into view, you hail it down. The bus stops, the doors open and you look up. Behind the wheel is Jeanette Young. Do you climb aboard or mumble an apology and wait for the next bus?

  17. Mater

    If you think Sweden is a COVID success, you’re a moron.

    And when The Conversation is starting to have doubts, I’d be careful of being so cocksure.

    Watch this space, Monty. Custer is about to take a swan dive off the wall of the Alamo, right smack into it.

  18. rickw

    Dan Andrews is trying to give police the power to arrest people who have NOT committed an offence.

    The new laws would give public servants the power of arbitrary detention against citizens they think might breach lockdown.

    You just fucking Victorians Dan, lets see where and how this ends.

  19. However, they did do a good job of managing the china bug when you exclude the old age homes. The interesting thing about Sweden is that their caseload is falling to insignificant levels and there’s an argument they may have reached herd immunity,

    So if you exclude most of the deaths, there’s hardly any deaths! Good sciencing, JC.

    The magnitude of the initial outbreak, and the success in preventing further outbreaks, is all due to the success or otherwise of border closures and quarantine. We are not talking about that. We are talking about lockdowns, which is a different aspect.

    Sweden has not achieved herd immunity. To do that, they would have had many, many thousands more deaths.

  20. Makka

    History teaches that totalitarianism never wins in the long run.

    Stalin and Mao have both had a very good crack at it. The only things stopping Dan’s Labor is a popular Opposition coming to power or/and a Federal intervention of some sort. Let’s see how all that pans out.

  21. calli

    Thanks, Roger.

    I first looked up Daniel’s dream, and remembered that Tolkien interpreted it in his own way.

    There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him.

    Empires come and go, but good, righteous things endure.

  22. Snoopy

    Sweden has not achieved herd immunity. To do that, they would have had many, many thousands more deaths.

    Step aside, Lizzie. The Cat is blessed with a real epidemiologist.

  23. cohenite

    Netfucks is really stuffed now, the RoP is coming after them:

    CAIR demands Netflix remove p.dophilia-glorifying show ‘Cuties,’ says it portrays RoP negatively

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/

  24. JC

    So if you exclude most of the deaths, there’s hardly any deaths! Good sciencing, JC.

    It’s not excluding those, deaths, it’s highlighting they occurred in the very concentrated environment, you donut eating idiot.

    The magnitude of the initial outbreak, and the success in preventing further outbreaks, is all due to the success or otherwise of border closures and quarantine. We are not talking about that. We are talking about lockdowns, which is a different aspect.

    We’re talking about whether Sweden has succeeded and it looks like it has. Furthermore, Sweden is not the worst case and on that score, the worst have been those with the most stringent lockdowns.

    Sweden has not achieved herd immunity. To do that, they would have had many, many thousands more deaths.

    They aren’t experiencing sudden flare-ups like elsewhere despite a relatively open economy.

  25. Fat Tony

    monty – you need to make the distinction between died with
    CV and died from CV.

    Most governments have not made that distinction. Accordingly, I have little belief in official death tolls from CV.
    And stop being a scared little girl hiding in your basement. No-one’s time is guaranteed.

  26. vlad

    Those new proposed laws we’re all talking about have already passed the lower house.

    I’m gobsmacked.

    https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/legislation/343-legislation-and-bills/articles/1824-bills-this-week

  27. JC

    Moreover, Monster the ironic thing is that Sweden’s failure in nursing homes and high death rate in that segment was EXACTLY where they did have lockups and heavy-duty restrictions. You big fat idiot.

  28. Frank

    History teaches that totalitarianism never wins in the long run.
    It is a short term anomaly in difficult times.
    The human spirit cannot be repressed indefinitely.

    Cyclical probably, still sucks if you get to live your life in the three or four generations that are trapped under some fascist part of the process.

  29. mh

    Never mind fascism in Victoria.

    60 Minutes this Sunday – Does Melania love Donald?

  30. Fat Tony

    mh
    #3589699, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:34 pm
    Never mind fascism in Victoria.

    60 Minutes this Sunday – Does Melania love Donald?

    The MSM is our real enemy

  31. Nick

    Monty is alive ? A Covid miracle !!

  32. We’re talking about whether Sweden has succeeded and it looks like it has.

    Is this like how you lot trumpeted Estonia and Latvia as GFC success stories because their graphs were finally trending upwards after years of austerity policies, but only after most of the young people had emigrated to escape the massive recession?

    It doesn’t matter for the purposes of this argument if Sweden’s case rate is low now, the deaths already happened and they were far worse than their neighbours. Plus they didn’t escape the economic effects at all.

  33. 1735099

    If you think Sweden is a COVID success you’re a moron

    True.
    But there’s no shortage of them on this site.
    And they reinforce each others’ ignorance.
    It resembles the virus.

  34. Mater

    Monty is alive ? A Covid miracle !!

    And it only took the destruction of Victoria to achieve it…apparently.

  35. Fat Tony

    Mater
    #3589704, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:38 pm
    Monty is alive ? A Covid miracle !!

    And it only took the destruction of Victoria to achieve it…apparently.

    Uhh….we haven’t landed yet…..

  36. Snoopy

    60 Minutes 2007 – Does Thérèse love Kevin?
    60 Minutes 2010 – Does Tim love Julia?

  37. Nick

    Mater, surprising, given it targets the obese

  38. Frank

    Mater, surprising, given it targets the obese

    Steatopygous, too much time sitting on it.

  39. cohenite

    The fat troll and the vile troll; a match made in victoristan, if ever there was one.

  40. Makka

    A clear sign of how weak and helpless Scummo is: He can’t bring Aussies into the country without approval from the Prems.

  41. vlad

    And all three of the Greens in the lower house voted for it.

    One of them, Dr Read, put up some amendments that were not carried – and then they all voted for the bill anyway!

    This is what stands between us and tyranny – further tyranny, I mean.

  42. Mater

    Uhh….we haven’t landed yet…..

    So he’s still at risk, despite the 6 months of lockdown?

  43. jupes

    Anne are Freemasons evil?

    You haven’t got a very good memory, Jupes.

    I told you that four years ago.

    Many of the last generation of Australians were Freemasons. My uncles among them. One was a WW2 veteran, one was a Vietnam vet, the other a dairy farmer. All valuable Australian citizens.

    You are a gullible twit Anne. Just an embarrassment. Fuck off and give yourself an uppercut.

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    East Perth WAFL star Beau Chatley sues West Perth opponent Mitchell Antonio for tackle that left him paralysed
    John Townsend
    The West Australian
    Fri, 18 September 2020 4:10PM

    Paralysed East Perth footballer Beau Chatley is suing the West Perth opponent whose tackle during a WAFL game in 2016 broke his neck and left him with life-long injuries.

    Chatley, 25, is seeking damages from West Perth player Mitchell Antonio in a District Court action that could trigger a multimillion-dollar insurance payout under the Australian football national risk protection program.

    The AFL and WA Football Commission are not parties to the legal action but are observing it closely.

    In the writ, Chatley claims Antonio was negligent and acted outside the rules of the game in laying the tackle that broke his neck when he was dragged to the ground in a reserves match at Leederville Oval in July 2016

  45. Fat Tony

    Mater
    #3589714, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:49 pm
    Uhh….we haven’t landed yet…..

    So he’s still at risk, despite the 6 months of lockdown?

    I was referring to the destruction of Victoria – not done by a long shot.

    For monty though, won’t matter if the lock down goes for another 12 months – he will still get it when he emerges from his basement.

  46. calli

    Most governments have not made that distinction.

    It’s an interesting omission. Why? And not one or two, but most.

    It’s almost as if Covid was meant to be more deadly, but didn’t achieve its purpose. So lies had to be told to cover up for its general non-lethality. Why would that be?

    It’s all such a puzzle. And so many pieces are exactly the same shape and colour.

  47. Mater

    Mater, surprising, given it targets the obese

    If he does succumb to it, I hope he drags himself out of his basement with his dying breaths.
    This type of burial wouldn’t do much good for the structural integrity of his house.

    https://youtu.be/tbidGgVDdaI

    On the up side, only 10 mourners would be permitted, so those covered in blubber would be limited.

  48. zyconoclast

    The Department of Education has informed Princeton University that it is under investigation following the school president’s declaration that racism was “embedded” in the institution.

    President Christopher Eisgruber published an open letter earlier this month claiming that “racism and the damage it does to people of color persist at Princeton” and that “racist assumptions” are “embedded in structures of the University itself.”

    According to a letter the Department of Education sent to Princeton that was obtained by the Washington Examiner, such an admission from Eisgruber raises concerns that Princeton has been receiving tens of millions of dollars of federal funds in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which declares that “no person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”

  49. cohenite

    Trump on pelosis: she’s as crazy as a bedbug.

    Are bedbug’s the craziest of insects or are the giant Japanese hornets.

  50. jupes
    #3589715, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    Anne are Freemasons evil?

    You haven’t got a very good memory, Jupes.

    I told you that four years ago.

    Many of the last generation of Australians were Freemasons.

    My grandad was a mason and a Catholic, and a WWII tommy.

    He helped dismantle one of the most evil regimes in history. I will always be proud of him.

  51. calli

    Freemasonry was part of Sydney in the 50’s through to the 80’s. A lot of returned services guys – my uncle and father in law for example. Perhaps they found fellowship there in the post war vacuum. Certain occupations used to be well represented too.

    They’d all pop off to “Lodge” in their dinner suits with their little cases of regalia. It all seemed very twee to me, and odd.

  52. Is this like how you lot trumpeted Estonia and Latvia as GFC success stories because their graphs were finally trending upwards after years of austerity policies, but only after most of the young people had emigrated to escape the massive recession?

    Who has ever ran into these latvian emigres? Bueller?

    Plenty of poms nicking Aussie jobs in the city post GFC.

    Get out of your panic room, montell.

  53. Old School Conservative

    On Freemasonry.
    I joined as a young man because a lot of men I knew were Masons and very good blokes. The organisation did a lot of charitable works in my area, and I wanted to be part of that activity. That’s all I knew about masonry before I joined.
    I enjoyed the ritual and symbolism, and the exhortations to do good.
    I was amused a few years later to find that the older men had principally joined post WWII because only at Wednesday Lodge could you get beer after 6pm.
    Never regretted joining, only ever met good men, and the concept of brotherhood resonated with me.
    Whilst I can’t speak of the higher orders, the pathway to Master Mason was interesting and didn’t require me to overturn the values I had on entry.
    Overall, it was a valuable experience.

  54. rickw

    If he does succumb to it, I hope he drags himself out of his basement with his dying breaths.

    He doesn’t want to be burdening those that survive him with crane rental and demolition of one side of the house.

    “What’s that huge double glazed window for?!”

    “That’s where they hauled Dad out with a Franna when he karked it….”

  55. Shutting down so much movement and economic activity is a huge mistake possibly caused by the pollies listening to well paid specialists who don’t care about the economic impact because it doesn’t hurt them.

    BANG!

    We got him.

    Got it in one.

  56. Steve trickler

    Paul Weston commentary on the WEF WHO charade now in play.



  57. JC

    Is this like how you lot trumpeted Estonia and Latvia as GFC success stories because their graphs were finally trending upwards after years of austerity policies, but only after most of the young people had emigrated to escape the massive recession?

    Leave the GFC argument alone as it’s got nothing to do with our discussion, you blob.

    It doesn’t matter for the purposes of this argument if Sweden’s case rate is low now, the deaths already happened and they were far worse than their neighbours. Plus they didn’t escape the economic effects at all.

    Unless you lock-up forever (if there’s no vax) you will eventually have to take the lumps. In any event, you’re looking back in time when medical knowledge of the Wuhan lab bug wasn’t as advanced as it is now – even in such a short space of time. The death rate won’t be as large as it was then, in advanced countries at least. If you stopped devouring so many doughnuts a day.. .what is it now, 30?… you wouldn’t be so concerned with the lab bug and possibly spending the rest of your life in a dim basement. We’re in lockdown because of sloths like you, monster. We’ve destroyed the economy to try and keep you alive. Show some fucking gratitude.

  58. zyconoclast

    At least he died doing something the illegal loved doing.

    or

    Catholic Bishops doing the important work

    M00SLIM MIGRANT KILLS PRO-MIGRANT PRIEST

    COMO, Italy (ChurchMilitant.com) – Police have categorically rejected the Italian bishops’ claim that the M00slim illegal immigrant who murdered an Italian priest had mental problems.

    “The priest died like a dog, that was right,” Tunisian citizen [email protected] Ridha said Tuesday morning after he repeatedly stabbed 51-year-old Fr. Roberto Malgesini in Piazza San Rocco in the center of Como in northern Italy.

    No “certified psychological problems” were detected from the tests carried out Tuesday and the assailant had no history of mental illness, police clarified, after the diocese of Como, the Italian Episcopal Conference (CEI), Caritas, and Italy’s mainstream media unanimously diagnosed the killer as “mentally ill.”

    Como’s Squadra Volante (Flying Squad) police and defense lawyer, Davide Giudici, also confirmed that the 53-year-old illegal, a recipient of Fr. Malgesini’s generosity, had displayed no regret for his action.

  59. Gunner

    Another great day for CAD (ASX).

    Deep, Balls Deep.

  60. Mater

    They’d all pop off to “Lodge” in their dinner suits with their little cases of regalia. It all seemed very twee to me, and odd.

    My father, and his father before him.
    Still have their respective cases, and all the paraphernalia.

    A lot of shit gets poured on the “Stonecutters” in the military, most of it implying quicker promotion due to secret networks and connections. Anyone who does alright for himself or gets recognised for something, routinely gets accused of being one.

    Good, harmless ribbing and fun.

  61. zyconoclast

    With violent crime on the rise in Minneapolis, City Council asks: Where are the police?

    The meeting was slated as a Minneapolis City Council study session on police reform.

    But for much of the two-hour meeting, council members told police Chief Medaria Arradondo that their constituents are seeing and hearing street racing which sometimes results in crashes, brazen daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults and shootings. And they asked Arradondo what the department is doing about it.

    “Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police’?”

    The number of reported violent crimes, like assaults, robberies and homicides are up compared to 2019, according to MPD crime data. More people have been killed in the city in the first nine months of 2020 than were slain in all of last year. Property crimes, like burglaries and auto thefts, are also up. Incidents of arson have increased 55 percent over the total at this point in 2019.

    Arradondo said around 100 officers have left the department or have taken leave since the beginning of 2020. That’s more than double the usual number of officers who either step down from the department or who are inactive each year.

    Council President Lisa Bender, who was among those leading the call to overhaul the department, suggested that officers were being defiant. Her constituents say officers on the street have admitted that they’re purposely not arresting people who are committing crimes.

  62. Shy Ted

    My pick for the Archibald prize. Like Jeanette Young qualified to the max – Born in Sri Lanka in 1988, Nithiyendran came to Australia in 1989 as a refugee and now lives and works in Sydney. He has a Master and Bachelor of Fine Arts from the University of New South Wales. Your money well spent.

  63. BrettW

    Cat ladies might enjoy the clip over at Michael Smith News showing how VICPOL interact with females. Notice how it is pretty much always male officers engaging physically with females. What do the lady cops do to earn their pay ?

  64. Shy Ted

    One for the living room – Lewer was born in 1970 in New Zealand and moved to Melbourne in 1996. He has a Master of Visual Arts from the Victorian College of the Arts. This is Lewer’s second time as an Archibald Prize finalist. It’s so lifelike.

  65. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Archibald Prize? Can somebody link to the portrait of Bruce Pascoe FFS?

  66. rickw

    A pity all ours got melted down, we need them:

  67. BrettW

    I had a look at the Archibald prize entries. Naturally great over representation of Aboriginal artists and subject matter. I am more of a traditionalist regarding style of artwork. The Goodes one is very amateurish. Female artist painting probably my favourite and the female singer.

  68. twostix

    Thank god m0nty is on the case.

    Like the Russian conspiracy theory of 2016-2019 that m0nty declared would see Trump marched out of the whitehouse in handcuffs, with m0nty weighing in on its side Cov19, now is officially over.

    I’m relieved.

  69. zyconoclast

    A woman who knits from her [email protected] and a climate activist who wraps wool around trees: Outrage as ‘political’ artists are given $7.6million of YOUR cash for ‘bizarre’ projects

    The 2020 Resilience Fund has handed out $7.6million of taxpayer cash to help artists struggling to pay their bills during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    She claims the project, titled Immaculate, ‘elevates the experience of queer reproduction and disrupt heteronormative parenting narratives’.

    It is backed by art group Vitalstatistix Incorporated which was given a $20,000 grant, reported the Daily Telegraph.

    Ms Jenkins’ previous work includes knitting from a yarn placed in her [email protected] for 28 days.

    Other artists who have been supported include climate activist Kelly Leonard who ‘weaves props for the environment’ and places them near coal mines.

    On her website she says: ‘A deep empathy for landscapes at risk from the impact of coal-mining and global warming informs my work.’

    Leonard was given a $10,000 grant along with artist Sarah Norman, who identifies as a ‘non-binary transmasculine person and a diasporic Koori of Wiradjuri descent’.

    Norman’s previous work includes being cut on the back 147 times in front of an audience.

    Julie Vulcan, whose works include an installation featuring her own blood on pieces of cotton, was also handed $10,000.

    The Australia Council for the Arts, a government body, decides who gets funding.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Steels ain’t steels Sol.

    I’m a metallurgist Fat Tony.
    Go suck eggs.
    😀

  71. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘these people are given high positions purely for having a vagina.’

    Rambler:

    ‘I have one.
    She also cleans and cooks.’

    Yes, Rambler, but does she do it up high?

  72. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Ms Jenkins’ previous work includes knitting from a yarn placed in her [email protected] for 28 days.’

    I’m calling it.

    Ewwwwwwwww.

  73. JC

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3589746, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    The Archibald Prize? Can somebody link to the portrait of Bruce Pascoe FFS?

    Pascoe Tourettes raises it’s head again this evening.

    Here, Rones. Here’ the portrait.

  74. She claims the project, titled Immaculate, ‘elevates the experience of queer reproduction and disrupt heteronormative parenting narratives’.

    It’s an affront to anyone opposed to extortion and financial redistribution.

    It disrupts normal honour, merit and morality.

    There are plenty of GOOD artists; they can easily make a living off the private sector.

    If you see something at an exhibition, a store front, online or at an auction you like, BUY IT!

  75. Unless you lock-up forever (if there’s no vax) you will eventually have to take the lumps. In any event, you’re looking back in time when medical knowledge of the Wuhan lab bug wasn’t as advanced as it is now – even in such a short space of time. The death rate won’t be as large as it was then, in advanced countries at least.

    You’ve been watching Trump too much JC, this word salad means nothing.

  76. Knuckle Dragger

    Context – mUnter, two nights back:

    ‘Okay, so I have had a skinful of whisky and have also been off my meds for a couple days, come at me you flowerwits’

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

  77. monty

    It makes perfect sense.

    Did you fail English as well as economics?

  78. Mater

    JC,
    Is Monty as dumb and obtuse IRL as he appears here on the Cat?

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Friday EPG being woeful I hit search engine, which produced the following marvelous doco: Sean Bean doing Waterloo.

    A long long time ago my mum gave me Napoleon at Waterloo, an ancient hexmap wargame from 1971. My mum is a fine mum! From thence lifelong hobby was born.

  80. twostix

    The dregs of the far left wing, overweight socially asthmatic middle aged men like m0nty, love, love, love cov19 because it temporarily put their weird selves, their unelectable peers and the completely routed forces in the unelected media and bureaucratic classes in charge of the world for five minutes.

    Just five minutes though, the last five minutes of glory before the last dying gasps of the clintonian world order that they desperately try to keep alive flickers out.

  81. JC

    Mater

    Pretty much. What you read is what you get.

  82. Fat Tony

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3589753, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:37 pm
    Steels ain’t steels Sol.

    I’m a metallurgist Fat Tony.
    Go suck eggs.
    😀

    I’m a mechanical engineer BoN – RPEQ/NER.
    I work with these steels and their properties (and composition) are quite variable.
    So I suggest you go sit on those eggs…..😊

  83. Ed Case

    I don’t think Bruce Pascoe will have a long shelf life.
    Aborigines derived their entire Diet from eating animals, plants were a starvation food.
    According to Pascoe, they thrived for 100+ generations on Carbs from Aboriginal Farming, yet Diabetes is endemic from a few generations of eating Carbs from European style Farming?
    It doesn’t stack up.

  84. rickw

    I’m a mechanical engineer BoN – RPEQ/NER.
    I work with these steels and their properties (and composition) are quite variable.

    Bohler M200 is great stuff!

  85. BrettW

    Seriously, what kind of drugs are the Council members on ? What a joke.

    “The Australia Council for the Arts, a government body, decides who gets funding”.

  86. Fat Tony

    rickw
    #3589772, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:48 pm
    I’m a mechanical engineer BoN – RPEQ/NER.
    I work with these steels and their properties (and composition) are quite variable.

    Bohler M200 is great stuff!

    There are plenty of great steels – the trick is to match the steel to the job. Quite often, the cheap, so-called “mild” steels can be the best choice.

  87. calli

    On the Archies. This one is fun. And this one is beautiful. She’s speaking from the canvas.

    Neither, of course, have a hope.

  88. Steve trickler

    A big shout out to the staff at the Richmond Injection Clinic…And Dan, in this year 2020.

    Dogs in Space – 1986 ( Melbourne – Victoria )



  89. Tintarella di Luna

    calli
    #3589688, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    calli your comment had me thinking of this quote

    “Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.”
    ― Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi: An autobiography

  90. Some History

    He has a Master of Visual Arts from the Victorian College of the Arts.

    There’s the problem right there. He actually has a Master of Visual-Impaired Arts.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    So I suggest you go sit on those eggs

    Up yours. I know martensitic and austenitic without looking them up.
    But my field is nonferrous not ferrous.
    Nickel, zinc, copper are more fun.
    My neighbor knows metal.
    Works in minimill in Ncl.
    Makes good cable.

  92. Steve trickler

    Oops. Film from 1986, depicting the 70’s.

  93. Okay, I’ll take it one sentence at a time.

    Unless you lock-up forever (if there’s no vax) you will eventually have to take the lumps.

    The world’s leading scientists say there will be vaccines next year. There have been no credible stories coming out saying that the virus is too difficult to provide a vaccine. Giving up on vaccines makes no sense.

    In any event, you’re looking back in time when medical knowledge of the Wuhan lab bug wasn’t as advanced as it is now – even in such a short space of time.

    We thought it had around a 1% mortality rate back then, and that judgment hasn’t wavered much in the mean time. Sweden gambled… and lost.

    The death rate won’t be as large as it was then, in advanced countries at least.

    Doesn’t matter, the damage has been done.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    BrettW
    Seriously, what kind of drugs are the Council members on ? What a joke.

    Phillistines and on their way back to the trees.

  95. BrettW

    Andrew Bolt from Herald Sun. Part 1
    I’ve shown before how multiculturalism made Victoria’s virus disaster worse. Now we learn just how mad the Andrews Government’s “inclusivity” policies were – from trusting security at a quarantine hotel to an “indigenous owned” company that wasn’t a preferred tenderer, to having guards with poor English and religious objections to hand sanitisers.

    Most startling was this decision: The appointment of Unified (Security)proved controversial because, unlike Wilson and MSS, it was not on the government’s preferred panel of security suppliers. Despite this, Unified ended up doing the bulk of the hotel quarantine work. All three companies had to rely on sub-contractors to supply their guards – some of whom were recruited via WhatsApp messages – at short notice.

    Unified was in charge of the security at one of the two hotels – and the worst – from which the virus escaped through infected guards, killing more than 700 people. Guards have said they got little or no training, and evidence to an inquiry shows there was concern from the start that they were just not up to the job.

    So why was Unified hired? Because the Victorian Government seemed to put ideology and identity politics above competence and public safety: Katrina Currie, a mid-ranking official from the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions, had been seconded to the “Working for Victoria’’ program supporting those who had lost their jobs in the first COVID-19 lockdown. She was given the task of hiring private security firms to work at the quarantine hotels. She told the inquiry she did not think the firms she hired would outsource their work to subcontractors, and said she wanted them to use permanent employees because that way they would receive award wages and appropriate conditions.

    But in a sworn statement to the inquiry, the Victorian general manager of security firm MSS, Jamie Adams said: “Katrina had no issue with us using subcontracted staff.“She mentioned that the hotel quarantine program was all part of providing work for people who had been stood down due to COVID-19…”
    But there was more to come.

    Ms Currie also decided to hire a Sydney-based security company called Unified Security…It would later emerge they had only 89 permanent employees in Victoria, but ended up supplying more than 1750 guards – almost entirely through subcontractors. It also emerged the company had applied – but been rejected – for admission to the Victorian Government’s preferred supplier list. The company is controlled by David Millward, who owns 51 per cent of it through a holding company whose sole director is Unified’s executive assistant, Sandy Millward Pratt. Mr Millward previously owned and ran two security businesses which had collapsed into liquidation.

    Yet after being hired by Ms Currie, they would go on to secure the vast amount of business guarding hotels in Victoria, with documents showing they were to be paid an eye-watering $44 million. And six of their subcontracted security guards would contract COVID-19 while working at the Rydges hotel, seeding 90 per cent of Victoria’s deadly second wave.

    Senior bureaucrats realised almost immediately there was a problem in hiring … a company, without a tender, that was not on the already approved list of suppliers. A strategic procurement specialist named Trevor Esch from the DJPR wrote to another senior bureaucrat, Paul Xerri, on March 31….
    “Hi Paul, need clarity on the rationale for going outside the SPC (preferred supplier list) in this instance… ’’ Mr Xerri sent it on to Ms Currie and asked her to respond. She detailed the quick turnaround, then added a line to the bottom of her email, sent at 4.32pm on March 31.

    “Unified is an Aboriginal owned and controlled organisation and has worked with DJPR on related social procurement initiatives … while they are not a panel provider for security services, utilising their services is absolutely in keeping with the concept … ‘’ The email then ends, apparently prematurely.
    At 6.52pm it was sent again, this time in bold type, to Mr Esch, noting hiring Unified: “is absolutely in keeping with the State Government’s social procurement objective of utilising Aboriginal businesses.’’

    Ms Currie said a legal exemption should be sought but “Unified are delivering and have been delivering services since Sunday. A rationale for the exemption is both immediate need and their responsiveness but also their status as an Aboriginal owned and controlled business under the Government’s social procurement objectives.’’

    Pt 2 next

  96. Fat Tony

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3589782, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:56 pm
    So I suggest you go sit on those eggs

    Up yours. I know martensitic and austenitic without looking them up.

    How wude…..🤷‍♂️

  97. Mitch M.

    Ed Case
    #3589771, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:48 pm
    I don’t think Bruce Pascoe will have a long shelf life.
    Aborigines derived their entire Diet from eating animals, plants were a starvation food.
    According to Pascoe, they thrived for 100+ generations on Carbs from Aboriginal Farming, yet Diabetes is endemic from a few generations of eating Carbs from European style Farming?
    It doesn’t stack up.

    I have seen a study which points to an different insulin response. This is another.

    Westernisation, insulin resistance and diabetes in Australian aborigines

    The traditional hunter-gatherer lifestyle of Australian Aborigines, characterised by high physical activity and a diet of low energy density (low fat, high fibre), promoted the maintenance of a very lean body weight and minimised insulin resistance. In contrast, for most Aborigines a Western lifestyle is characterised by reduced physical activity and an energy-dense diet (high in refined carbohydrate and fat) which promotes obesity and maximises insulin resistance.

    Conclusion: It is suggested that insulin resistance was important to the survival of Aborigines as hunter-gatherers, but is also the underlying metabolic characteristic predisposing them to obesity, NIDDM and CHD after westernisation. Intervention strategies to prevent chronic diseases related to insulin resistance should be directed at lifestyle modification. To be effective such programmes will have to be developed and implemented at the community level.

    Not once can I recall aboriginal health issues being addressed in the MSM that suggests the key is lifestyle modification.

    Immune dysfunction in Australian Aborigines.
    Roberts-Thomson PJ1, Roberts-Thomson RA, Nikoloutsopoulos T, Gillis D.
    Author information
    1Department of Immunology, Allergy & Arthritis, Flinders Medical Centre, Bedford Park, South Australia. [email protected]
    Abstract
    An examination of the prevalence and phenotype of immune disorders in different ethnic groups may provide important clues to the etiopathogenesis of these disorders. Whilst still conjectural the restricted and somewhat unique polymorphisms of the MHC (and other genetic loci involving host defences) of the Australian Aborigines may provide an explanation for their apparent heightened susceptibility to newly encountered infections and their resistance to many (auto) immune and allergic disorders. In comparison with non-Aboriginal Australians, Australian Aborigines have heightened frequencies of rheumatic fever, systemic lupus erythematosus, various infections and post-streptococcal glomerulonephritis. In contrast various autoimmune disorders (e.g. rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, CREST, biliary cirrhosis, coeliac disease, pernicious anaemia, vitiligo), B27 related arthropathies, psoriasis, lymphoproliferative disorders and atopic disorders appear infrequent or absent. Similarly various autoantibodies occur with increased or diminished frequency. With continuing racial admixture, social deprivation and deleterious lifestyles of these people it is likely that further changes in both the frequencies and phenotype of these immune disorders will occur. It is only with a full understanding of the pathogenic mechanisms involved in these immune disorders that meaningful and clinical relevant interventions will be possible.

    Try and get that message out but make sure you can run for cover.

  98. The world’s leading scientists say there will be vaccines next year.

    Who are they and what month?

    There have been no credible stories coming out saying that the virus is too difficult to provide a vaccine

    There are a lot of problems.

    Giving up on vaccines makes no sense.

    There has been a lot of research into the whole family of viruses since 2002 – SARS/MERS.

    We thought it had around a 1% mortality rate back then

    No one thinks that. People wanted to believe it had that mortality rate, they wanted disaster porn.

    and that judgment hasn’t wavered much in the mean time

    Just no. 3% infection rate. 6% mortality rate.

    Doesn’t matter, the damage has been done.

    Yes, by creating police states with dead economies. Not because doctors in hospitals in victoria keep on getting the virus and getting positive tests later on.

  99. BrettW

    Bolt Pt 2

    The idiocy of hiring Unified on the grounds that it was “Aboriginal owned” should have been obvious from the start, and not just because competence was so critical if lives were to be saved. What was the point of this policy if this “Aboriginal” business was just going to hire casuals off the street, of whom very few, if any, were Aboriginal? And here is the Aboriginal owner (picture shown does not look indigenous) , David Millward, whose race was rewarded with this $44 million contract – you know, to encourage other underprivileged Aborigines:

    The guards then hired – and not just by Unified – were casuals, and many from immigrant or minority backgrounds, which became a problem: The use of private security guards in Victoria‘s hotel quarantine program­ may have contributed to outbreaks linked to the state’s second­ wave, with contact tracing efforts hampered by guards living in crowded accommodation as well as language and cultural barriers­, health officials have told an inquiry into the scandal.

    According to the statement of senior medical adviser Clare Looker, which was shown to the inquiry on Tuesday, the young, healthy and socially active guards were reluctant to undergo testing, while language barriers and a general­ distrust of government saw them less than forthcoming in interviews with contact tracers.

    “Social and health vulnerabil­ities in the security guard cohort meant that many of our usual outbreak control measures were more difficult to implement and have success with,” Dr Looker said. “For example, many of the guards live in crowded, dense accommodation and are reluctant to accept our offer of alternative accommodation.”

    The public servant coordinating the emergency response also noted the problem: Co-controller Andrea Spiteri (said) with all the instructions in English, “It became apparent that many staff, particularly security staff, had language barriers that needed to be addressed by the security companies to ensure safe work practices.”

    Poor English wasn’t the only problem, particularly with ROP guards: Professor Sutton told the inquiry that there had been instances where security staff in hotels did not appear to trust the information provided to them about infection control. “In particular about how to wear PPE gear, and the use of hand sanitiser, in particular … concerns about using an alcohol-based sanitiser”.

    This hand sanitiser concern was also included in notes from the manager of Your Nursing Agency, the company employed to supply nursing staff to quarantine hotels. In mid-June, the company’s manager noted that security guards had informed the agency “they were concerned about using hand sanitiser because it is against their religion”.

    Then there was excessive concern about the cultural sensitivities of returning travellers with suspicions of soldiers: Earlier in Thursday’s hearing, the state emergency controllers overseeing Victoria’s Covid-19 response, Andrea Spiteri and Jason Helps, said it was their personal view that using ADF and police only – without security guards – for hotel quarantine may not have helped avoid a second wave. Instead, they argue, their exclusive use could have intimidated and alarmed returned travellers.

    UPDATE

    Meanwhile, five families are holding up the release of Melbourne from the harshest lockdown in the world: Victoria recorded 45 new cases of coronavirus on Friday as authorities try to stem a cluster in Melbourne’s south-east which Jeroen Weimar, a former departmental secretary who now responsible for the state’s testing strategy, said had spread across five households in the Casey and Dandenong council areas… Mr Weimar said “painstaking” contact tracing had now found there were five households across Hallam, Clyde, Narre Warren South and Cranbourne North that had generated 34 coronavirus cases after the first was identified on September 4…

    “But we’ve also seen in this particular cluster visiting of houses beyond the five-kilometre radius, so these five houses in this particular cluster have had, unfortunately, some members of those households visiting other households and it is that limited amount of contact – relatively infrequent contact – between these five households that has now meant that we have 34 people in five houses experiencing or living with a very real threat of the coronavirus.”

    That is an ABC report, so of course does not mention this important fact – the kind the ABC usually censors for ideological reasons: Health authorities in Victoria have been holding urgent meetings with multicultural community leaders and local councils in Melbourne‘s outer southeast, amid a coronavirus cluster in the Casey local government area which has been linked to 34 cases since Sunday.

    The cluster, which is understood to be linked to multiple households and have links to the local Afghan community, includes unknown source cases. Wouldn’t it make more sense posting police outside these five doors, rather than have them chasing grannies off park benches?

  100. cohenite

    zyconoclast
    #3589752, posted on September 18, 2020 at 8:37 pm
    A woman who knits from her [email protected] and a climate activist who wraps wool around trees: Outrage as ‘political’ artists are given $7.6million of YOUR cash for ‘bizarre’ projects

    Stop it; I’m trying to get into a good state of mind for the weekend.

  101. Mitch M.

    The death rate won’t be as large as it was then, in advanced countries at least.

    The death rate will fall because we now know that a combination of corticosteroids and antithrombotics is at present an optimal strategy.

  102. Fun fact.

    Austrians and Russians are the smartest whites.

    The Dutch are the dumbest.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Just saw another facet to LockDan today.
    Funeral limits.
    Some grandchildren left at home with a minder while mom and dad and uncles and aunts and some siblings attend the funeral.
    Maybe they watch on TV seeing mum and dad and surviving grandparent really upset.
    Even if they are only 8 or 9, being part of the grieving is an important rite of passage.
    They might not fully get it right now, but I think they should be there.

  104. rickw

    Doesn’t matter, the damage has been done.

    What’s happened in Victoria you fat cock head? No damage?

  105. Makka

    Wouldn’t it make more sense posting police outside these five doors, rather than have them chasing grannies off park benches?

    Because it’s Bolt, this gets dismissed as a far Right wing rant. Yet the MSM cowers from interrogating the Govt on these issues.

    The MSM are true enemies of freedom and the people.

  106. Bruce of Newcastle

    How wude…

    Steel in action:

  107. Nick

    Monty would be even fatter during lockdown

  108. rickw

    There are plenty of great steels – the trick is to match the steel to the job. Quite often, the cheap, so-called “mild” steels can be the best choice.

    I use the M200 to make tool holders. The rest of the stuff I work with in oil store and handling is good old mild steel.

  109. Leigh Lowe

    Legalise Sedition

    #3589795, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:12 pm

    Fun fact.

    Austrians and Russians are the smartest whites.

    The Dutch are the dumbest

    He, he.
    I might incur great wrath and furious anger, but here goes.
    Q. What is the definition of a Dutchman?
    A. It’s a German without the brains.

  110. Barry

    Dan bans ALDI Special Buys!!!

    Surely the peasants will revolt now?

    Special Buys™ Product Unavailable
    To ensure that we are encouraging our customers to follow the Victorian State Government’s Stage 4 restriction that only one person per household can leave home to get necessary goods and services, we have removed Special Buys™ items from Victorian metro stores in Stage 4 lockdown that require two people to safely lift and purchase the product.

    This includes the advertised:
    1. Multifunctional Outdoor Setting 3pc

  111. Mitch M.

    Austrians and Russians are the smartest whites.

    Hungarians

    “The Martians” was a term used to refer to a group of prominent Hungarian scientists (mostly, but not exclusively, physicists and mathematicians) who emigrated to the United States in the early half of the 20th century.[1]

    Leó Szilárd, who jokingly suggested that Hungary was a front for aliens from Mars, used this term. In an answer to the question of why there is no evidence of intelligent life beyond Earth despite the high probability of it existing, Szilárd responded: “They are already here among us – they just call themselves Hungarians.” This account is featured in György Marx’s book The Voice of the Martians.

    Paul Erdős, Paul Halmos, Theodore von Kármán, John G. Kemeny, John von Neumann, George Pólya, Leó Szilárd, Edward Teller, and Eugene Wigner are included in this group.

    Dennis Gabor, Ervin Bauer, Róbert Bárány, George de Hevesy, Nicholas Kurti, George Klein, Eva Klein, Michael Polanyi and Marcel Riesz are also sometimes named,[weasel words] though they did not emigrate to the United States.

    Loránd Eötvös, Kálmán Tihanyi, Zoltán Lajos Bay, Victor Szebehely, Albert Szent-Györgyi, Georg von Békésy and Maria Telkes are often mentioned[weasel words] in connection.

    Elizabeth Róna, a Hungarian nuclear chemist who emigrated to the US in 1941 to work on the Manhattan Project and discovered Uranium-Y, is not often included.

    The Hungarian scientists were seemingly superhuman in intellect, spoke an incomprehensible native language, and came from a small obscure country. This led to them being called Martians, a name they jocularly adopted.

    The joke was that Hungarian scientists are actually descendants of a Martian scout force which landed in Budapest around the year 1900, and later departed after the planet was found unsuitable, but leaving behind children by several Earth women, children who all became the famous scientists. John von Neumann used a number of facts as mock evidence to support this claim, such as the close geographic proximity of the Martians’ birthplaces; the well-traceable career path, wh

  112. Fat Tony

    BoN – I currently have a real (replica) 1800 French infantry sabre and used to have a muzzle loader (0.577″) 1862 Enfield (rifled barrel, percussion cap).
    Of the many guns I have owned, the muzzle loader was my favourite (I had to cast my own projectiles)

  113. calli

    we have removed Special Buys™

    That’s that then.

    I foresee the National Razor set up outside Flinders St Station. Soon.

  114. Steve trickler

    I’ve never heard this song on commercial FM radio. And I’ve switched them off ages ago.

    Michael Hutchence – Rooms For The Memory (‘Dogs In Space’ Movie Version)



  115. Boambee John

    And they reinforce each others’ ignorance.
    It resembles the virus.

    Indeed, m0nty reinforces the gross ignorance of the bin chicken, and the bin chicken reinforces the grotesque ignorance of m0nty.

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    I currently have a real (replica) 1800 French infantry sabre

    Respect FT!
    I tend to exothermic chemistry rather than metal in its most personal aspect.
    Nitrates, peroxides, azides and acetylides.
    After that nuke stuff.
    Yum!

  117. dover_beach

    It’s instructive how Monty can’t even entertain the possibility that Sweden’s response may turn out in the long term to have been the correct one. It’s entirely based upon false pride. He would rather the heaven’s fall than admit he and his side possibly called it wrong. This is also what was and remains the case following the Trump victory. They think they’re the smartest guys in the room but they are in fact big dummies. The biggest. Believe me.

  118. Fat Tony

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3589810, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:31 pm
    I currently have a real (replica) 1800 French infantry sabre

    Respect FT!
    I tend to exothermic chemistry rather than metal in its most personal aspect.
    Nitrates, peroxides, azides and acetylides.
    After that nuke stuff.

    You’re doing (did) what I would have liked to have done……………mech eng is quite good tho – my area is rolling stock (above rail)
    Nuke stuff would have been great .

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    The failed position mUnter holds apropos of things Swedish is a direct result of his Malmo embarrassment.

    That’s all this is.

  120. Fat Tony

    Leigh Lowe
    #3589802, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    I might incur great wrath and furious anger, but here goes.
    Q. What is the definition of a Dutchman?
    A. It’s a German without the brains.

    Someone once told me that the Dutch are just gutless Germans (i.e. without the courage)

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Barry

    #3589803, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    Dan bans ALDI Special Buys!!!

    What?
    Banning ALDI specials?
    That’s un-Australian!

  122. Hmmm

    Note that “Toronto Today” is a fake news site.

    ALL bullshit.

    Mr X

    BULLPLOP!

    ALL BULLPLOP!

    Annie: TORONTO TODAY TELLS DA TROOF!

  123. Boambee John

    The world’s leading scientists say there will be vaccines next year. There have been no credible stories coming out saying that the virus is too difficult to provide a vaccine. Giving up on vaccines makes no sense.

    Aaannd in just three short sentences, m0nty destroys what little credibility he ever had!

    There has never been a successful vaccine for a corona virus, m0nty.

  124. Some History

    And then, of course, there’s “art” of good intentions:

    https://imgur.com/KIstKJX

  125. Farmer Gez

    I might incur great wrath and furious anger, but here goes.
    Q. What is the definition of a Dutchman?
    A. It’s a German without the brains.

    Quite a few Dutch came to Australia in the fifties and took up trades.

    As Red Green said “You don’t have to be smart to be handy.”

  126. Mitch M.

    I’m not watching it because I never had a problem with Bernstein & Murray(The Bell Curve) and Wade(A Troublesome Inheritance)

    Deal with it:

    The Growing Correlation Between Race and SAT Scores: New Findings From California

    Of those factors, moreover, race has become the strongest predictor. Rather than declining in salience, race and ethnicity are now more important than either family income or parental education in accounting for test score differences. Recorded on 11.17.2015. [2/2016]

  127. Leigh Lowe

    What?
    Banning ALDI specials?
    That’s un-Australian!

    Sorry.
    Un-Austrian.
    But anyway, I don’t like it.

  128. JC

    Nick
    #3589800, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:17 pm
    Monty would be even fatter during lockdown

    And even more insufferable. Nothing worse than an insufferable blob.

  129. Fat Tony

    rickw
    #3589801, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:18 pm
    I use the M200 to make tool holders. The rest of the stuff I work with in oil store and handling is good old mild steel.

    I have a bit to do with drag racing and one of the things that amuses (& annoys) me is the preference for chrome-moly (4340) steel tubing for roll cages. Because it is “stronger” – has a higher yield point (before it deforms), they allow a thinner tube.

    However, the amount 4340 steel bends compared to normal low carbon steels is the same for the same applied force. (Young’s Modulus is the same for all low alloy steels)

    Welding 4340 steel is a bit trickier than normal “mild” steel – also requiring stress relief of all welded joints (this rarely happens).

    So what happens is people pay a shitload more for a chrome-moly roll cage that is more flexible (thinner walls) and has brittle welds (usually not stress relieved).

    Normal cheap tube is best – unless you’re allowing for a 150 mph roll down the track (but use the thicker tube)

  130. Leigh Lowe

    Quite a few Dutch came to Australia in the fifties and took up trades.

    A few around our area.
    Bridge building, pile driving and civil engineering generally.
    Not sure where they learnt that.

  131. Mark A

    Naaah, I like her.
    Keep my piece, but if those deserve a prize…😒

  132. duncanm

    m0nty
    #3589702, posted on September 18, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    It doesn’t matter for the purposes of this argument if Sweden’s case rate is low now, the deaths already happened and they were far worse than their neighbours.

    cumulative death toll from Covid 580/million in Sweden.

    Annual mortality rate usually around 9000/million. +-1000 or so

    Mortality rate to date for 2020 (9/12 of the year) – 6700/million.

    Covid is in the noise.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fat Tony it runs in my family. My grandad worked on Tube Alloys.
    I was a kid when he died but he’d be happy I followed in his footsteps I think.

  134. It’s instructive how Monty can’t even entertain the possibility that Sweden’s response may turn out in the long term to have been the correct one. It’s entirely based upon false pride. He would rather the heaven’s fall than admit he and his side possibly called it wrong.

    How could it improve from here? Well over 5,000 dead. They’re not coming back… or if they do, that’s not a win.

    I would love to hear what you think a win condition is for Sweden. If it involves the phrase “herd immunity”, that will only confirm your idiocy.

  135. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Lizzie,

    Dr. Young is no doubt doing her best, but not just in my eyes has she been found wanting as an effective adviser. She is advising concerning medical issues for a whole State, not a hospital. There is a great deal of epidemiological publication around Covid19 that Dr. Young seems not to have read or if she has read it she has seen no need to act upon it, nor even to reassure the people whom she makes rules for that she has considered a range differing opinions before arriving at her own judgements and determinations. Nor has she justified some of her dictates with epidemiological support for them

    How can Jeanette Young be doing her best when seemingly she hasn’t read the current research?

    Even if she hasn’t got the best qualifications for the position, she must know that the epidemiological information that she has access to is advising a different approach to what she has put in place in QLD. This means she is either willfully ignorant or deliberately arrogant.

    And she knows that she is not doing her best in her prime role as CHO because she has made allowances for certain groups and individuals that are not health related – dispensations to the AFL, the cricket, swimming, Tom Hanks etc., that she has said is about helping the QLD economy.

  136. If it involves the phrase “herd immunity”

    Um monty what do you think the point of a vaccine is?

  137. rickw

    Not sure where they learnt that.

    They probably learned on the job! I know more than on Italian that got into concrete on the basis of BS’ing about experience and then learning as they went, sometimes the hard way.

  138. duncanm, if you do the simple sums, you would expect about an extra 6000 deaths in 2020, which is about what the COVID death toll is.

  139. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty now thinks the socialist icon of the 21stC, Sweden, is bad.
    Says all you ever need to know about socialism.
    One day someone will make it work.

  140. Rockdoctor

    BrettW
    #3589791, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:07 pm

    Been too busy for a few days to really follow much but what’s a guess these 5 Afghan families have escaped the scrutiny the rest of the community has due to their ethnic backgrounds. Vic Pol already have form by the looks of it…

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/09/bill-thompson-wonders-are-victoria-police-racially-profiling-their-victim-selections.html

  141. rickw

    How could it improve from here? Well over 5,000 dead. They’re not coming back… or if they do, that’s not a win.

    Fuck you’re dumb.

  142. rickw

    Dice, let’s get vaccine fast! Oh, hang on a minute…..

  143. Mark A

    m0nty
    #3589839, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    duncanm, if you do the simple sums, you would expect about an extra 6000 deaths in 2020, which is about what the COVID death toll is.

    There was chart or similar posted here recently showing the total death rate for about 10 years for the month of Aug. this year was les than some years previous.

    Since you are locked up, you have time to search for that here or on the open net.

    Total death number is what matters, if as you said we had 5k extra due to Covid than it would show up in the stats.

    Go man look it up don’t for once let your prejudice rule your thinking, your quality of life may depend on it.

  144. mh

    Legalise Sedition
    #3589837, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:55 pm
    If it involves the phrase “herd immunity”

    Um monty what do you think the point of a vaccine is?

    The flu vaccine doesn’t do much for herd immunity.
    Allegedly it helps those with weaker immune systems to be better prepared for the virus when it hits.

  145. Struth

    The left never found a government they couldn’t be subservient to, kneel to and obey every commandment.
    Communism for them, is like never having to leave church like EVAH, and the pollie priest telling you to sit , kneel and stand while you do as you are told in a semi coma.
    Perfect.
    They love lock down.
    The competitive outside world is a scary place.
    Full of bloody grown ups everywhere.

  146. Arky

    m0nty
    #3589834, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    ..
    This fat morose moron wants elimination.
    Locked down forever by the stupidest people in the world not to have seeped down the inside of their father’s Y- fronts.
    My kid hasn’t played with her best friend in months.
    People are dying, alone and afraid.
    Where’s the end of this shit?
    When?

  147. Steve T, more Hutchence from a similar orbit to the Dogs in Space soundtrack:

    https://youtu.be/prM_oXNG3bw

    https://www.youtube.com/? watch=prM_oXNG3bw

  148. Mater

    This fat morose moron wants elimination.
    Locked down forever by the stupidest people in the world not to have seeped down the inside of their father’s Y- fronts.
    My kid hasn’t played with her best friend in months.
    People are dying, alone and afraid.
    Where’s the end of this shit?
    When
    ?

    According to Monty, about five months ago,

    m0nty
    #3377575, posted on March 26, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    Wuhan’s lockdown took nine weeks. They had the largest breakout of anyone so far, with NY possibly set to overtake it. Ours isn’t nearly as big. We should be over it in four to six weeks max, if we stick to it.

  149. Zyconoclast

    Why just pump the low ozone up very high?

    Toxic ozone at ground level threatens food crops
    Basic food crops for millions of people worldwide are endangered because of surging ground-level ozone concentration. Indian farms are among those most at risk. Scientists are now racing to make plants more resistant.

  150. dover_beach

    How could it improve from here? Well over 5,000 dead. They’re not coming back… or if they do, that’s not a win.

    They ‘win’ by never having gone into lockdown in the first place. Avoiding death from the virus was never the rationale for the lockdown; avoiding the hospital system collapsing and thus making medical care difficult for all patients (not only COVID patients) was. Their hospital system didn’t collapse. So, as it stands, that entire rationale has been shown to have been grossly exaggerated. You could deal with this virus without the drastic measures imposed here and elsewhere. Given the uncertainty at the start, the lockdown was within the prudential range of measures available but so to was no lockdown but strong advisory warnings as provided by the Swedish government to avoid unnecessary social intercourse. They also ‘win’ by returning to the status quo ante quicker than we do.

  151. Fat Tony

    The Chinese (CCP) have invested a lot of money in politicians all round the world. We are seeing their return on that investment.

    Emperor Xi is expecting internal strife in the USA after the presidential elections and will no doubt make his moves around the world (most likely including Australia thru Victoria).

    How many Chinese “students” are also members of the PLA?
    How much hardware has been brought in through the ports of Darwin and Melbourne?

    What would be required to knock out our defence capabilities with a surprise attack? (Given that our ADF priorities have been transgenderism & gay mardis gras)

    I guess we’ll find out after the US presidential elections.

  152. duncanm

    m0nty
    #3589839, posted on September 18, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    duncanm, if you do the simple sums, you would expect about an extra 6000 deaths in 2020, which is about what the COVID death toll is.

    really? Here’s the simple sums, assuming they have the same mortality rate from now till EOY.

    deaths to mid Sep = 6700/million.

    Expected deaths at EOY = 6700 * 12/8.5 ~ 9500/million.

    Annual mortality rate without covid = 9000+-1000/million.

    Where’s the extra 600 hiding ?

  153. dover_beach

    We should be over it in four to six weeks max, if we stick to it.

    Being a liberal means never having to say you are either sorry and/ or wrong. Just think of the extraordinary harm that this lockdown has caused, and yet, people like monty don’t care. Shit happens.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    It’s instructive how Monty can’t even entertain the possibility that Sweden’s response may turn out in the long term to have been the correct one. It’s entirely based upon false pride. 

    I guess the entrenched positions are what piss me off dover.
    Example.
    The “died with” vs “died from” debate over co-morbities.
    OK. Maybe 6% of nominated “died with” deaths are purely “died from” deaths.
    But that is a bit simplistic too.
    A 60 year old with type 2 diabetes who would normally have a twenty year life expectancy who dies of Kung Flu is is totally different to an 85 year old in palliative care with stage 4 pancreatic cancer who gets taken off by Kung Flu.
    I would like to see stats, by age group, of deaths broken down as follows:-
    1. Kung Flu deaths with no co-morbidities.
    2. Kung Flu deaths with co-morbidities, who would otherwise have had a life expectancy of five years or greater.
    3. Kung Flu deaths with co-morbidities, who would otherwise have had a life expectancy of one to five years.
    4. Kung Flu deaths with co-morbidities, who would otherwise have had a life expectancy of three months to a year.
    5. Kung Flu deaths with co-morbidities, who would otherwise have had a life expectancy less than three months.

  155. Knuckle Dragger

    Health nuffies: ‘How much coin do you have?’
    Billionaire layabout: ‘Shitloads.’

    The Hun:

    ‘Celebrity Apprentice Australia judge Lord Alan Sugar has jumped the queue to enter Australia. He managed to get a commercial flight to Sydney while tens of thousands of Australians are stranded across the globe because of passenger caps.

    ‘The British TV star was announced this week as a judge on Channel 9’s version of Celebrity Apprentice.
    And while many Australians have had flights cancelled as they desperately try to get home, the television personality was able to sail through.

    ‘“I’ve not traveled on a commercial airline for 25 years. Yesterday I traveled to Sydney with @emirates,” he posted on Twitter this week. “I have never experienced service like it in all my life. It was fantastic. both on the ground and in the air. Amazing. For the skeptics it was fully paid for not free.”’

  156. Avoiding death from the virus was never the rationale for the lockdown; avoiding the hospital system collapsing and thus making medical care difficult for all patients (not only COVID patients) was. Their hospital system didn’t collapse. So, as it stands, that entire rationale has been shown to have been grossly exaggerated.

    Their number of deaths in aged care were also partially due to this strategy, since they triaged so many patients out of the hospital system and into palliative care. Great strategy, save the hospitals being overloaded by letting the grannies die!

    They also ‘win’ by returning to the status quo ante quicker than we do.

    Five thousand points down at three quarter time, we’re still a chance!

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Defence ignored warnings over repeated SAS tours, ‘violated’ own ban
    exclusive
    Ben Packham
    FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
    @bennpackham
    31 minutes ago September 18, 2020
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    Defence commanders ignored repeated warnings from SAS psychologists that continuously redeploying elite soldiers to Afghan­istan was harming their mental health and impairing their decision-making abilities.

    Ahead of a report on up to 55 alleged war crimes by Australian soldiers during the conflict, The Weekend Australian can also reveal­ that Defence introduced a waiver system to get around its own policy banning special forces­ operators from redeploying to Afghanistan without a 12-month break.

    An inquiry led by NSW Sup­reme Court judge Paul Brereton is investigating alleged war crimes in Afghanistan, including claims of numerous unlawful killings. The Brereton inquiry, looking into 55 separate incidents between 2005 and 2016, is expected to be finalised soon.

    The waivers and psycholog­ists’ warnings now loom as potentia­l mitigating factors in upcoming criminal cases, and a liability issue for the commonwealth in potential civil suits by soldiers.

    Former SAS psychologists Mark Mathieson and Nick Doran, who each did multiple tours in Afghanist­an, said commanders were repeatedly told during the war that mental fatigue and ­trauma were impairing soldiers’ decision-making abilities.

    But the warnings went unheeded as political pressure, the always­-ready special forces culture and the need to test people and equipment in a once-in-a-generation war led to multiple redeploymen­ts for a core group.

    Mr Mathieson, who now works with veterans in rural Victoria, said post-traumatic stress and “moral injury” were evident by 2007, two years after the recommitment of Australian special forces to the war. The Special Air Service and Commando regiments continued to see combat until the end of 2013.

    “People had their values and morals effectively broken by chronic deployment to a basket case of a country and seeing good friends do bad things and good friends die,” Mr Mathieson said.

    “And they were getting that persistently occurring. Guys were on their fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh­, eighth deployment in a similar number of years.”

    He wrote reports for senior offic­ers on the psychological injuries affecting the elite soldiers, but they went “into the black hole of endless reports being fed into Canberra­”.

    Mr Doran, who now works with corporate clients and reality TV shows, said post-deployment reports were written after every four-month tour, detailing the mental health problems being experience­d by the men.

    “In my conversations with the SAS leadership, they were well aware of this. It was a major concern,” he said.

    “But they were under orders from Special Operations Command to do the job. SOCOMD is simply the instrument of the broader political and governmental decision at the time.”

    Both of the psychologists confirmed that the waiver system was used to override Defence’s 12-month rule aimed at giving soldiers sufficient rest between deployments. “They found (the rule) was just impossible, because there weren’t enough fighting guys to fill out the rotations,” Mr Mathieson said.

    Mr Doran said the waivers were used to make up for the relatively small pool of beret-qualified operators in key roles, such as corporal, lance corporal and sergeant.

    “In order to make the unit operational in any kind of functional way, you have to have this waiver system in place, to allow these critical positions and roles to be able to violate that rule and deploy again. So as soon as you have that waiver system in place — and it makes sense for certain roles — you can apply it to almost all ­situations.”

    Mr Doran said at times the system forced him to compress the post-deployment psychological screening timetable so operat­ors could be sent back to the war zone. “In order to make a waiver happen we had to bring that in a little bit earlier, or do whatever we could to get those critical factors signed off for the operational capability to be made available,” he said.

    Defence would not provide information­ to The Weekend Australian on the proportion of SAS and Commando operators who did high numbers of combat rotations during the war. But it said soldiers’ mental health was a priority, and defended its systems for ensuri­ng operators didn’t redeploy to the war zone too soon.

    “For Australian Army special forces soldiers who were deployed to Afghanistan, Army took thorough steps to ensure they received adequate rest and recuperation after operational deployments and a respite period of 12 months between­ deployments,” a Defence spokesman said.

    “From time to time, it was necessary for operational reasons for units to redeploy personnel within the 12-month respite period. This would only occur after an exhaustive process of assessing alternativ­e options, confirming each individual’s voluntary commitment.’’

    Final redeployment decisions were made by the Special Operations Commander, and did not require personnel to sign an “individual waiver” or legal document, the spokesman said.

    Justice Brereton’s report, for the Inspector-General of the Aust­ralian Defence Force, will rock the nation’s military establishment and tarnish community perceptions of the nation’s most revered warriors. Prosecutors are already preparing cases against two SAS veterans.

    The Federal Court heard this month that Victoria Cross recip­ient Ben Roberts-Smith — who ­vehemently denies committing any crimes — is a suspect in the murder of Afghan farmer Ali Jan.

    As SAS operator known as “Soldier C”, who was videoed killing an apparently unarmed man in footage screened on the ABC, is also facing potential charges.

    The Australian revealed last month that Defence had asked an independent expert to examine cultural and leadership failings that may have contributed to the alleged war crimes. The study will look at the ethical standards and command culture of the SAS and Commando regiments from 1999.

    I’ve posted the whole article.

  158. Arky

    According to Monty, about five months ago,

    ..
    It’s fucking never isn’t it?
    This is like those 9/11 changes.
    The bastards are never relinquishing these powers.
    Just like twenty bloody years later we’re all standing at long queues at the airport loading all our shit into plastic trays and getting our gonads irradiated, in twenty years time we will still have internal controls on our movements and idiots demanding the wearing of face napkins.

  159. deaths to mid Sep = 6700/million.

    Expected deaths at EOY = 6700 * 12/8.5 ~ 9500/million.

    Annual mortality rate without covid = 9000+-1000/million.

    Where’s the extra 6000 hiding ?

    Sweden 2020 deaths as at Sep 14: 67,104
    Projected to Dec 31: 94,735
    Total last year: 88,766
    Projected delta: 5,969

  160. We should be over it in four to six weeks max, if we stick to it.

    Like I said, we didn’t stick to it in Victoria. They did in other states, e.g. NSW did succeed in that four to six week timeframe after the Ruby Princess cock-up.

  161. 132andBush

    Which, as you well know, monty, is within the year on year fluctuations.

    You are embarrassing yourself.

  162. rickw

    They also ‘win’ by returning to the status quo ante quicker than we do.

    Five thousand points down at three quarter time, we’re still a chance!

    You stupid fuck, have you seen what’s going on outside of your basement?

  163. rickw

    You are embarrassing yourself.

    Hasn’t and won’t ever stop him.

  164. mh

    One of the worst aspects of Victorian fascism that we are witnessing has to be the treatment of women by VicPol. In particular, the way the cops ignore the male partner that is with that woman and just go ahead and drag them out of a car, or handcuff their hands behind their back. Even a brain dead Victorian socialist male must have an instinct that this is against nature and against everything we should be a society.

    Your pregnant female partner is carrying your child, and cops come onto your property, handcuff her in front of you – for posting something online about gathering outside your house – and men are just going to take this shit?

  165. Zyconoclast

    Disgraced movie producer Harvey Weinstein has been stripped of his honorary CBE following his conviction for [email protected] and s3xual assault.
    An official announcement in The London Gazette confirms that the Queen has annulled his appointment as a Commander of the Order of the British Empire.
    The decision was made at a recent meeting of the Honours Forfeiture Committee, which is independent from government.
    Weinstein was awarded the CBE in 2004.

  166. Makka

    Like I said, we didn’t stick to it in Victoria.

    You left out the important part mOron.

    The inept and corrupt leftist Andrews Govt fkd up the hotel quarantine that unleashed the mass of infections causing Lockdown V2.0 to be imposed on Victoria. Leftard incompetence, you’ll be very familiar with that mOron.

    This what shits me about leftards like you , fatarse. The lies and idiocy masquerading as humans. Waste of space.

  167. “Okay, we killed five thousand people needlessly, but if our superannuation returns go up next quarter can we call it a draw?”

    Just psychos, the lot of you.

  168. Mater

    Like I said, we didn’t stick to it in Victoria

    And as I said, that’s a funny way of saying that Dan fucked it up.

  169. Steve trickler

    Crowder gives gulag a good boot up the arse.



  170. Arky

    They did in other states, e.g. NSW did succeed in that four to six week timeframe after the Ruby Princess cock-up.

    ..
    Yeah, yeah, great success, everything’s back to normal, and everyone’s moving freely around the rest of the country and flying in and out of the joint. Everything’s fine and back to normal. No other states have little fucking Hitlers screwing with the ordinary citizens and hundreds of deadshit politicians having a fucking spastic attack of authoritarian overreach.

  171. dover_beach

    Their number of deaths in aged care were also partially due to this strategy, since they triaged so many patients out of the hospital system and into palliative care. Great strategy, save the hospitals being overloaded by letting the grannies die!

    Setting aside whether or not this was what happened on the ground, was it any different to the situation here in Australia, UK, France, etc.?

  172. mh

    25 degrees and partly cloudy for Melbourne tomorrow.
    Great protesting weather.
    Let’s hope the locals fire up

  173. MatrixTransform

    by god, mUnty is as retarded as numpty.

  174. duncanm

    m0nty
    #3589871, posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:35 pm
    Sweden 2020 deaths as at Sep 14: 67,104
    Projected to Dec 31: 94,735
    Total last year: 88,766
    Projected delta: 5,969

    Talk about cherry picking. Last year’s mortality rate was the lowest since at least before 2010.

    Again – go here, and look at the deaths over the last ten years or so.

    The ‘usual’ annual death toll varies from ~89k to ~92k

  175. Mark A

    MatrixTransform
    #3589889, posted on September 18, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    by god, mUnty is as retarded as numpty.

    Nope, nums is just a senile old fool, Monty could be far more dangerous in real life if he had the power.

    He follows his ideology to the letter.
    Blinkers on full steam ahead.

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘He follows his ideology to the letter.’

    Except when he thought he was having a Road to Damascus moment when he got the sniffles, and believed he was not long for this earth. The tune changed quite a bit then.

    That was some funny shit.

  177. MatrixTransform

    mUnty’s main point is that anybody who disagrees is a psychopath

    and that the next decimal point after 0.008 is of the most gregarious significance

    the man’s fucking idiot

    even without error bars

  178. If your talking point is “okay so we’re 5000 deaths behind but it’s too early to tell whether we won or not” then you’re not going to be taken seriously.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Mater at 10:19.
    Gosh, that’s awkward.
    And it brings us to the question.
    When did we go from “flatten the curve” to “elimination” anyway?
    I’ll tell you when.
    It was when Dan Xi-Man knew that, politically, he owned the second wave via hotel quarantine and contact tracing.
    Once he “eliminates” the second wave all will be well.
    Any third wave?
    It belongem someone else.

  180. monty shills hard the day that warrantless, court decision free detention is proposed.

    You will regret supporting this montell.

    It is a fundamentally evil law.

  181. Arky

    If your talking point is

    ..
    Only idiot fuckwits have “talking points”.
    The rest of us have arguments and views.
    I can see how you might mistake others for your moronic tactics.
    Dimwit.

  182. Arky

    When did we go from “flatten the curve” to “elimination” anyway?

    ..
    They all did, on cue, sometime in June.
    It’s the US election.

  183. Rex Anger

    @ Matrix-

    That’s offensive to numpties, I’ll have you know…

    “Okay, we killed five thousand people needlessly, but if our superannuation returns go up next quarter can we call it a draw?”

    Just psychos, the lot of you.

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  184. MatrixTransform

    your talking point is

    … a political artifact.

  185. Knuckle Dragger

    As if it needed to be said, he also supports a football team that has James Sicily in it. Mouthy, no-talent ranga.

    Unforgivable.

  186. Rex Anger

    ‘He follows his ideology to the letter.’

    Except when he thought he was having a Road to Damascus moment when he got the sniffles, and believed he was not long for this earth. The tune changed quite a bit then.

    That was some funny shit.

    Lucky bastard. This Anger has his second lurgi for the season (more than he’s had in the last 3.5 years), and knows for a fact that it can’t even begin to think about killing him…

  187. MatrixTransform

    That’s offensive to numpties

    I apologise to all ex-numpties

    current numpties are fair game

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    BBS, a sad fact of life is that some people’s best is just not very good when up for assessment by others. I give Dr Young the benefit of the doubt that she may think she is doing well by her own lights. Not by mine though. She is the wrong person for this job. So is Anasthesia Palace-chook quite unsuited for the complex responsibilities she has as Premier. Neither of them has any real leadership talent or intellectual strength and it shows. A doubly bad whammy for Qld.

    She is clearly under a great deal of stress.

  189. MatrixTransform

    I love the way they resort to fallacious gibber … every fucking time

  190. mh

    Every fascist action that the Victorian government takes is being observed internationally:

    PRE-CRIME: NEW LAW WOULD GIVE AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES POWER TO ARREST COVID “CONSPIRACY THEORISTS”

    Who police think might commit a crime.
    Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com – SEPTEMBER 18, 2020

    https://www.infowars.com/pre-crime-new-law-would-give-australian-authorities-power-to-arrest-covid-conspiracy-theorists/

  191. stackja

    The usual suspect, an “expert” on the PLA virus? Has same expertise as shown on Trump and Scomo victories?

  192. hzhousewife

    Neither of them has any real leadership talent or intellectual strength and it shows. A doubly bad whammy for Qld.

    Just wait till Jackie Trad is Premier………………….

  193. Lazlo

    Lizzie is being very kind, that is her nature. But what she is really saying is that this pair, Young and Palachuk, are the thickest planks that were ever produced from the timber mill. These people are very thick.

  194. Megan

    by god, mUnty is as retarded as numpty.

    In a race to the bottom there is nothing separating these two useless contributors to lowering the quality of the gene pool.

  195. stackja

    Voters keep electing ALP to government expecting a different result.

  196. egg_

    Huck’s future.

    The only “vehicle” sans a steering wheel?

  197. Rockdoctor

    Just wait till Jackie Trad is Premier………………….

    Shudder, been offered a position back up that way starting in the new year. Been looking at Lake Macquarie recently as well, lifestyle awesome but pay is the downside. Queensland was awesome in the ’90’s, Brisbane was a big country town. I don’t recognise it these days.

  198. Mark A

    egg_
    #3589934, posted on September 18, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    Not casting aspersions on anyone’s profession but if there was an occupation/trade ripe for automation it was train drivers once the system became full electric and intelligent camera system were in place.
    Not road vehicles where the unforeseen is a 1000 times multiplied.

    Any other propulsion on rail, forget it.

  199. Lazlo

    Brisbane is still a big country town. Look at the provincialism that electors are letting P’chuck get away with.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ramesh Thakur in this week’s Spectator Magazine examines the lockdown and herd immunity issues quite well..

    The effectiveness or futility of lockdown cannot be proven conclusively.

    Yet.
    This is because it is multifactorial and the socio-medical data and seasonal factors and time scales are not yet fully comparable.

    He discusses herd immunity: some places with cell-based population immunity from other sorts of common Corona viruses may push the HI threshold as low as 20%. This knowledge has been around for weeks now but still needs saying..

    Ps Is the charming Terrence maybe Grigs?
    Playing on Johanna’s ‘elderly MiMi’ violin?

    I couldn’t care less. Bedtime for me now.

  201. egg_

    Good work on the songs Struth.
    (And not just saying that because I’ve copped some egg_ravation over it. Probably egged him on enough.)

    Beaugy gets your goat, little man.

    Leigh Lowe
    #3421643, posted on April 20, 2020 at 11:08 pm
    DrBeauGan

    #3421629, posted on April 20, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    I am not aware of anyone here being party to fixing a jury.

    I didn’t say that.

    You kind of did.
    But whilst we are on your subject of “blind tribalism” my critiques of ABC judicial fixing go back 20 years, on this forum and others, long before witness J started making shit up.
    So, yeah, tribal.
    I have you pegged BG.
    If you think the relatively mild take-down of the Cruise Queen was something … I can do better.
    Over to you.

  202. egg_

    Not casting aspersions on anyone’s profession

    New Sydney Trains have gone driverless.

    They’ve been Autopiloting planes in (3 dimensions) for decades.

  203. Lazlo

    Mark A,
    I have dreamed of becoming a train driver before I die, and I still have hope. It is one thing to rely on software on a lonely track in the outback, or on a shuttle at Miami Airport, but I would not get on one on the London Underground.
    You still need real engine drivers there.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    Air hellair eggy.
    Juiced up and ready to go?
    Rev that red car up and let’s go …

  205. Steve trickler

    😎

    Glenn Miller Orchestra in Moscow .



  206. Leigh Lowe

    egg_

    #3589942, posted on September 18, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    Not casting aspersions on anyone’s profession

    New Sydney Trains have gone driverless.

    They’ve been Autopiloting planes in (3 dimensions) for decades.

    Checking the oil in Big Yellow Trucks could be done automatically too.
    Which would do away with the need for dipsticks.

  207. Lazlo

    When you last got on a plane egg (when was that? we all groan) were you greeted by a reassuring auto-pilot?

  208. egg_

    TdF (last night):

    Bridie says she’s really enjoying the messages from the “Couch Peloton”.

    They’re not “fat, bald, old men who’ve never ridden a bike”?

  209. egg_

    Checking the oil in Big Yellow Trucks could be done automatically too.
    Which would do away with the need for dipsticks.

    Woah, Dad Jokes on the case!

    I was going to say if a f#ck knuckle like Low Brow can pilot a plane…

  210. Arky

    My Godfather, uncle Wiley, gave me a book of old steam train crashes as a birthday gift.
    Wish I still had that book.
    ..

  211. egg_

    Psycho Clown:

    You kind of did.
    But whilst we are on your subject of “blind tribalism” my critiques of ABC judicial fixing go back 20 years, on this forum and others, long before witness J started making shit up.
    So, yeah, tribal.
    I have you pegged BG.
    If you think the relatively mild take-down of the Cruise Queen was something … I can do better.
    Over to you.

  212. Mark A

    Lazlo
    #3589944, posted on September 18, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    Mark A,
    I have dreamed of becoming a train driver before I die, and I still have hope.

    I hope you do too.
    My job involves getting people out of dangerous jobs by automation.
    Admittedly the bosses who run the place have a different motivation but the end result is the same

    Some resent it, there is no doubt about it. Usually and unfortunately the lowest skilled workers are most hurt where reemployment is nearly impossible.
    (see retrenched forest workers as tourist guides according to blurb, ONLY an example, no disrespect)

    At the same time I would be the last one to advocate full automation in every aspect of life were it even possible.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Lazlo

    #3589956, posted on September 19, 2020 at 12:03 am

    When you last got on a plane egg (when was that? we all groan) were you greeted by a reassuring auto-pilot?

    Classic Lazlo.
    “Every job in the world can be automated, robotised, digitised or 95% AI supplemented.
    .
    Except mine.
    Because special.”

  214. egg_

    Juiced up and ready to go?

    Did you “take the edge off it” jacking off to a few Chopper Read videos?

  215. Arky

    getting people out of dangerous jobs

    ..
    Gay.

  216. Bruce in WA

    BoN – I currently have a real (replica) 1800 French infantry sabre and used to have a muzzle loader (0.577″) 1862 Enfield (rifled barrel, percussion cap).

    When I was a teenager, we got new neighbours — a recently-arrived British couple in their, I guess, 50s. When he found out Dad was a Gunnery CPO in the RAN, he brought over a rifle he had imported from the UK.

    It was a Snider-Martini, 1853 from memory, the model converted to a breech-loader. Because of its age, and lack of ammo, Customs had cleared it into Australia as a collector’s item. It was subsequently “seized” by WAPOL and “rendered safe” by Firearms Branch. This consisted of forcibly hammering a length of steel rod into the breech, a process so vigorous it actually cracked the leading edge of the chamber. Thus, the rifle was indeed rendered “safe” … and also totally worthless. He lodged a complaint and was officially told he should have been grateful it wasn’t destroyed.

  217. Megan

    👆👆👆

    New Open thread, thataway!

  218. egg_

    Checking the oil in Big Yellow Trucks could be done automatically too.
    Which would do away with the need for dipsticks.

    Some Locos and BIG YELLOW TRUCKS share the same Siemens control systems, dipstick.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    FrEE BraDley MAnnIng.
    Little red car and limping man.
    OMG.
    It’s real live TV evidence.
    Bwah ha ha ha.
    Has that one died in the arse or what?

  220. egg_

    New Open thread, thataway!

    The midget division of the Clown Posse is all saddled up!

  221. egg_

    Dad Jokes is just sad.
    Such repartee!

  222. Arky

    We really are determined to make the world a boring and sterile place where everyone lives small, desperate, unromantic and dull lives into their 90s.
    And even the soldiers only ever get to tramp around after retarded pigs moving old women off park benches.
    Jesus.
    This, by the way, is the worst pandemic movie ever.
    No zombies, no small enclaves of armed refugees from the cities, no sex.
    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuucck.

  223. Lazlo

    Classical Gas. Mitch M. Great stuff. Pete Townsend thought he was going to outdo opera with Tommy. He was way off. This guy was for real.

  224. egg_

    Juiced up and ready to go?

    Did you “take the edge off it” jacking off to a few Chopper Read videos?

    Surrounded by a mountain of male bodybuilding magazines – with the pages stuck together.

  225. duncanm

    Texas school names shooting suspect Kyle Rittenhouse as modern-day hero, excludes women from list

    The teacher is now under investigation.

    do note that no-one seems to be upset that George Floyd was also on the list.

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