Tuesday Forum: September 15, 2020

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  1. Philby

    milt, no more than 30k for a decade or so which includes the immediate family. No single people. Every household head has to have preferably a trade (to be then qualified through Aust Standards) or a tertiary qualification where a genuine shortage exists. Zero access to any benefits for at least 5 years. We want lifters, not leaners, truck drivers, beauty technicians or baristas etc.
    Agree wholeheartedly , no family reunions no aged parents. All immigration stops when percentage of overseas born exceeds 40% of our population and none other than Australian born to be eligible to stand and be elected to any parliament in Australia.

  2. Ladyredneck

    Another narrative fail
    can they get anything right?
    Protesters should now take heart, the only danger to your health is now a baton to the head

  3. Bundyrum

    FTB, the government has done this deliberately, to screw our energy needs so badly cannot have been done by accident.
    The federal government & the states have been complicit in creating sovereign risk & to crawl back from this is an insurmountable task that they have not even considered or do not wish to consider.
    A fantastic country ruined by politicians.

  4. Davey Boy

    FFS.
    Maybe the unnamed clerk should just burst into tears and say “we tried our best, it’s really hard”, she’d have ScoMo’s support then.

    John Edwards given access to guns despite 30-year history of domestic violence

    A NSW Firearms registry official looked at a police report containing 18 entries of John Edwards’ history of assault, stalking, and AVOs, before giving the green light to allow him a permit that allowed him access to guns, an inquest had heard.

    Edwards was able to use the permit to train at gun clubs and, from there, he was granted a gun license in 2017, despite having been refused one in 2010 because he already had an AVO against his record.

    On 5 July 2018, Edwards stalked his children to the West Pennant Hills home where they were living with their mother, Olga Edwards, and shot them to death.

    He took his own life a few hours later.

    An inquest into the deaths of Jack, 15, and Jennifer, 13, is examining, among other things, how Edwards was granted a gun license and access to guns, given his 30-year history of domestic violence offences.

    On Tuesday the inquest heard from a clerk at the NSW Firearms registry, whose name was suppressed.

    She told counsel assisting the inquest, Katherine Richardson SC, that her role was to access the CNI (Central Name Index) report on Edwards linked to the police COPS database.

    An audit of the clerk’s use of the database showed she had clicked into links relating to the 2000-2003 AVO one of Edwards’ former partners had taken out against him.

    “You must have learned at the time he was refused because he had been the subject of an AVO?” Ms Richardson asked.

    “Yes,” agreed the Registry clerk.

    The inquest heard that the clerk had to scroll past a list of 18 “events” on Edwards’ police file to get to the 2000 AVO entry.

    “Fifteen out of the 18 events linked to that CNI related to either AVOs, stalking allegations, assault allegations or adverse interactions in relationships – 15 out of 18,” said Ms Richardson.

    Ms Richardson also referred to fresh allegations Olga had made against Edwards, with whom she was in a bitter court custody battle, that he had assaulted the two children he would go on to kill.

    “One of the first entries you must have seen as you scrolled through that CNI, was an allegation that had been made on 29 December 2016, three weeks before you were doing this task, that Jack and Jennifer were being assaulted by their father,” Ms Richardson said.

    “I can’t say what I looked at at that time,” the clerk said.

    “It was so long ago…I can’t answer if I read it or not, I just cannot remember it.”

    Ms Richardson said in accessing the information about the 2000 AVO against Edwards, the clerk must also have scrolled past “an event about assaults on children, children at risk in 2016, John and Olga having a verbal argument listed as ‘Domestic violence – no offence’…an interim AVO taken out in 2011”.

    “You must have seen each of those events before you arrived at the AVO in 2000, do you accept that?” Ms Richardson asked the clerk.

    “I accept it,” she said.

    The clerk told the inquest it was her job only to ascertain why Edwards had previously been refused a license, not to raise red flags about his entire police history.

    She also said the Registry was under-staffed and she received no training or written guidance on how to do a CNI checks for permit applications.

    “There was pressure to get things done, there wasn’t enough staff or resources,” she said.

    The inquest continues.

  5. feelthebern

    A fantastic country ruined by politicians.

    & big business.
    & unions.
    It’s the club.
    This is why there is zero innovation in Australia.
    Just regulation.
    & greenmail.

  6. calli

    Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane are fast becoming unliveable.

    Six years this week since we moved into our out-of-Sydney bolthole. Beaches, bay, shops, restaurants, sports, clubs, two major hospitals 40min drive, plus unbelievable beauty. Kids 2 1/2 hours away.

    Considered Orange but hideously cold. And did I mention the climate? 😀

    Best move I ever made.

  7. feelthebern

    “There was pressure to get things done, there wasn’t enough staff or resources,” she said.

    So she was incompetent.

  8. Tim Neilson

    “There was pressure to get things done, there wasn’t enough staff or resources,” she said.

    Hey, isn’t that the case every time a government action turns into a disaster? What’s wrong with this country? Why aren’t we increasing taxes and hiring more public servants? Why hasn’t that ever been tried?

    (Although “pressure to get things done” isn’t ubiquitous in taxpayer-funded circles. And, to be fair, every time a few trillion reams more bureaucratic obligations are imposed there is more “work” of sorts to be done.)

  9. rickw

    A NSW Firearms registry official looked at a police report containing 18 entries of John Edwards’ history of assault, stalking, and AVOs, before giving the green light to allow him a permit that allowed him access to guns, an inquest had heard.

    Government bureaucracy:

    Doing everything you hoped it wouldn’t, and nothing of what you hoped it would.

  10. If you want to restrict immigration, just put an IQ test on it and an unreasonably high fee – no welfare without citizenship and citizenship takes years if not decades to obtain.

    I would suggest an IQ one standard deviation above the mean, then $50k per entrant.

    Most of the problem people would go away and so would the industry of hangers on and chancers.

  11. feelthebern

    IQ is a terrible measure dot.
    I would look at education to weed out the hill billies.
    But a bond is key.
    I don’t know what that number is, but it would also weed out the hill billies.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    I would suggest an IQ one standard deviation above the mean, then $50k per entrant.

    $500k.

    We’ve discussed this many times Dot. $50k is too easy to stump up for extended family plus Karachi loansharks. A couple years welfare living in a house with 20 others, with a little side dealing, and it can be paid back.

  13. sfw

    Only way relatively open borders can work is no welfare for at least 10 years. No government assistance what so ever, if they can get private charity from charities that receive no gov funding that’s fine. No Medicare, No welfare, No Dole, No interpreters, No gov Legal Aid, NOTHING plus pay taxes as everyone else. Then see who comes.

  14. Legalise Sedition:

    Most of the problem people would go away and so would the industry of hangers on and chancers.

    And there you have it.
    These people are in The Club, and you ain’t.

  15. duncanm

    “There was pressure to get things done, there wasn’t enough staff or resources,” she said.

    strange – I thought it’d be pretty fast and efficient when you’re just rubber stamping every approval.

  16. rickw

    My first thought was about the word “escape”. Then, on reflection, it seems that if you wait long enough you may not need to leave this land girt by sea – the third world will come to you!

    The problem with staying in a country slipping into third world status is that they generally retain all of the bureaucracy until the very end. So literally third world with no up side!

  17. Roger

    My opinion only, but mass immigration & multiculturalism has not improved the west.

    Mass immigration + multikulti = Colonisation.

  18. woolfe

    One of the differences between what was then Rhodesia and South Africa. We had black officers.

  19. feelthebern

    The reality Australia has to face is the social safety net we have from cradle to the grave is too generous.
    There has to be a trade-off.
    The best way to do that is to limit access.

  20. Roger

    Look back to people like John Wear Burton and HC Coombes. Consider their modern equivalents- Parkinson, Goldring.

    Donald Horne’s second raters.

    But with tickets on themselves.

  21. Colonel Crispin Berka

    > This is why there is zero innovation in Australia.

    Where should inventors go to get their ideas $upported and developed?

  22. feelthebern

    Where should inventors go to get their ideas $upported and developed?

    The US.

  23. zyconoclast

    Football players suspended from team for carrying Thin Blue, Thin Red lines flags at game

    MORROW, Ohio (WKRC) — Some local high school football players are finding that their support for first responders is coming at a huge cost.

    The boys are now suspended from their team after not heeding a warning to leave the Thin Blue Line and Thin Red Line flags that represent fallen firefighters and police officers off the field.

  24. Philby

    milt, no more than 30k for a decade or so which includes the immediate family. No single people. Every household head has to have preferably a trade (to be then qualified through Aust Standards) or a tertiary qualification where a genuine shortage exists. Zero access to any benefits for at least 5 years. We want lifters, not leaners, truck drivers, beauty technicians or baristas etc.
    Agree wholeheartedly , no family reunions no aged parents. All immigration stops when percentage of overseas born exceeds 40% of our population and none other than Australian born to be eligible to stand and be elected to any parliament in Australia.No citizenship for 10 years

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    “On Tuesday the inquest heard from a clerk at the NSW Firearms registry, whose name was suppressed.

    She told counsel assisting the inquest, Katherine Richardson SC, that her role was to access the CNI (Central Name Index) report on Edwards linked to the police COPS database.”

    I wonder if her name would be suppressed if it was the clerk was a man?

  26. miltonf

    I would have included Donald Horne in his list of second raters. A failed External Affairers trainee and winging academic.

  27. feelthebern

    But unless an inventor is minted, they are going to get screwed anywhere they go.
    Australian incubators are disaster zones.
    At least in the US an inventor might get 1% of something, versus 100% of nothing fucking around in Australia for 20 years.

  28. Roger

    I would have included Donald Horne in his list of second raters. A failed External Affairers trainee and winging academic.

    Yes, but he had one good book in him.

  29. Bear Necessities

    Tucker Carlson’s thoughts on the cop shootings in LA are right on target and scarily accurate. I never thought the word reimagine could give you the shivers.

  30. feelthebern

    Bwahaahahaahha
    Cornelius too much of a pussy to front up today.
    He sends out Neil Paterson.
    What a fucking coward Cornelius is.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you want to restrict immigration,
    just put an IQ test on it

    Didn’t you once argue for child slavery on Catallaxy?
    And now you are talking about IQ?

    You make me laugh Dot, you really do.

  32. Jock

    Im not an expert in NSW public service but those I am aware of tell me that there is procedures and training for everything. Didn’t he/she notice a litany of misdeeds and events, Evidently not. Didn’t know what to do? Overworked? How many people apply for gun licences each day? Hundereds? How long does processing take? If there are issues, then like you see on Border Force on TV they usually upward delegate. Wow. So much that can be asked. And this person comes across as dim. If this is a true representation of what happened then it is a travesty. However is there more to it? There needs to be more investigation of the entire office to see if there are any more of these. A full audit of licences AND of the “clerks” manning the office. Are they living beyond their means for example?? Just asking.

  33. Roger

    One of the best books to read to understand the Anglo Australia that is now a fast fading memory.

    D H Lawrence’s Kangaroo is another.

    You don’t have to agree with a writer’s politics to learn from them or appreciate their insights.

  34. cohenite

    rickw
    #3586079, posted on September 15, 2020 at 4:59 pm
    A NSW Firearms registry official looked at a police report containing 18 entries of John Edwards’ history of assault, stalking, and AVOs, before giving the green light to allow him a permit that allowed him access to guns, an inquest had heard.

    Unfuckingbelievable. Just think what bureaucrats do: allow the spread of the chunk virus, close down viable coal power, ruin the farming industry, use the power of the AJ department to target conservatives, work in the treasury but organise safe space rooms, promote deviant sexuality in schools and this shit while making it almost impossible for legitimate gun owners to do anything.

    As I’ve said before, while not advocating violence, one bureaucrat a week should be taken out and horse whipped.

  35. feelthebern

    Stompy McStomp being investigated – that we knew.
    Rammy McRam is also being investigated – that’s the new news.

  36. feelthebern

    Coward Cornelius.
    Talks tough.
    But when it’s time to face the music for police brutality, he sends out an underling.
    What a fucking fat coward.

  37. Steve trickler

    In Amsterdam with Harold. Sep 15, 2020



  38. cohenite

    zyconoclast
    #3586106, posted on September 15, 2020 at 5:24 pm
    So you thought the children in “Cuties” were “pretty hot”?…

    Is this the fuckarse who made the movie? What I thought when I saw the clips from the depraved effort is that I wanted to punch the face in of the bastard who made it. Looking at the guy it’s long overdue.

  39. feelthebern

    Police allege the chap they rammed not one, but two glass doors at the hospital.
    But as no footage has been released, I call bullshit.
    If it happened, they would have released it.

  40. feelthebern

    Q How do you know VicPol are lying?
    A Their lips are moving.

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    “Rabbi Putin
    #3586035, posted on September 15, 2020 at 4:03 pm”

    Agree Rabbi, the left have frequently smeared and besmirched the families of conservative politicians…

    When Tony Abbott’s daughter had her personal details hacked by an graduate “journalist” (cough) from UTS…..there was silence from the left.

    When Tony Abbott was assaulted in Tasmania in 2017…there wasn’t condemnation….there was laughter from the left.

    When Morrison took his wife and daughters away for a five day holiday earlier this year, they were subjected to a barrage of unbelievable hysteria..mocking, sneering and so on on social media sewers…..there was silence the left.

    Oh and when two Green scum broke into the Morrison’s shire home and defecated in their swimming pool…there was silence from the left.

  42. Makka

    Rammy McRam is also being investigated – that’s the new news.

    When the arsehole is behind bars for assault with intent to cause GBH then it will be good news.

    Yes, as I said before, I’m certain VikPlod is taking cowardly Piggy Cornelius’s thuggish commentary to heart as their MO. Andrews hasn’t the guts to reign him in.

  43. Delta A

    What I thought when I saw the clips from the depraved effort is that I wanted to punch the face in of the bastard who made it.

    Yes, but the biggest bastards here are the children’s parents.

    What mongrels would do that to a precious daughter?

  44. miltonf

    Like most anglo countries, Australia has had its institutions white anted by Marxists. Australia was (may be can be again) a competent nation but not great like the United States. So much

    1. Identify a respected institution.
    2. kill it.
    3. gut it.
    4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

    The marxist wreckers never sleep. A bludge ‘job’ in the pubic service would help.

    I can’t believe that loathsome ‘science’ show is STILL going for example. Don’t forget Alan Ashbolt either.

  45. Just back from lunch with two journos. Not by choice, friends of friends. One a senior something in some press group, the other a corporate and Government media adviser.
    I’m still quivering. With fury, yes, but more in fear.
    “Lock down absolutely the only solution”. “Protestors criminals”. “Police just doing their jobs”. “The police need combat clothing because of right wing violence – NZ blah blah”. “Death threats against CHO demonstrate that the Right must not be given any say”. The unquestioning surrender to authority was breathtaking.
    It is a shock when what you believe to be the case is demonstrated to you as reality. Frightening for our kids futures.
    They invited us to join them on a trip up the coast for a few days. The Long Suffering could see that my needle was in the red zone and hurridly declined.

  46. Stimpy you are as honest as minty.

    You’re a leftist.

    Children should have the right to work with parental permission.

    We would be better if children in indigent households were raised by middle class families.

    You’re not a bad person? Then you can pay your own way and keep your legs closed until then.

    Besides the dynamic moral hazard effect, kids would be better off raised in higher income households.

    Being poor doesn’t make you a bad person, but let’s not mince words – most abuse happens in low income areas. So does most domestic violence.

    There is a connection between IQ and empathy as well as an ability to earn an income.

    So,

    We should stop subsidising poverty in the least.

    Here’s a shit test for you: should kids in remote Aboriginal communities be raised by wealthy, harbourside dwelling Sydney Anglicans and Catholics or not?

    Don’t be an intellectual coward.

  47. Boambee John

    bern

    It’s amazing how Australia has fucked this up so badly.

    I wonder how many “connected” people have made fortunes out of this?

    Maaaates!

  48. miltonf

    Can anyone here explain the business re John and Stan Howard. Hadn’t Stan done something?

  49. Bloody ‘ell. Can someone send us some bloody rain?

  50. feelthebern

    The younger people are introduced to paid work the better.
    Mowing lawns, dog sitting.
    I would say delivering newspapers but that doesn’t exist anymore.

  51. Roger

    Police allege the chap they rammed [brke]not one, but two glass doors at the hospital.

    Sorry VicPol, but I think you’ll find that unless he was an existential threat to the life of a member of the public at the time, ramming him with a police car is assault.

    If criminal charges aren’t filed gainst the officer responsible, a civil case will doubtless ensue regardless.

    You see, you really aren’t a law unto yourselves…not yet.

  52. Makka

    Zhenhua Data: 35,000 Aussies being spied on by China as part of ‘psychological war’

    Wow.

    “Century of Self” on steroids.

  53. Nick

    Thou shalt never portray Transgenderism in anything but a positive light

    J.K. Rowling fans are out for blood.

    The author, 55, has penned a book called “Troubled Blood” slated for release Tuesday about a male serial killer who dresses as a woman while on violent killing sprees.

    A day before the book’s release, fans and foes lambasted Rowling, who has previously made a slew of controversial comments about the trans community, and declared her “dead” by sending #RIPJKRowling to the top of the Twitter trending charts.

  54. miltonf

    Bubbels, those encounters – you can almost predict what their positions will be on various issues. It is frightening- the blind adherence to the approved left wing narrative. Don’t think- someone will think for you.

  55. William the Conjuror

    Bruce of Newcastle #3586054, posted on September 15, 2020 at 4:32 pm

    The energy sector is a complete mess, all government meddling.

    In NSW, where Liddell is, the mess is due to Labor privatizing it. That’s all you need to know – if Labor is privatizing anything it for reasons which ain’t to do with free market capitalism.

    Premiers Iemma, Rees and KKK were all booted due to this glorious disaster.

    miltonf #3586055, posted on September 15, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    Bruce did Labor sell off Liddell? I thought it was fatty O’Barrall.

    Annnnd, moving right along.

    Bruce of Newcastle #3586084, posted on September 15, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    I would suggest an IQ one standard deviation above the mean, then $50k per entrant.

    $500k.

    We’ve discussed this many times Dot. $50k is too easy to stump up for extended family plus Karachi loansharks. A couple years welfare living in a house with 20 others, with a little side dealing, and it can be paid back.

    Good pick up Milton.

    Liddell power station … was built and then owned by the NSW Government for decades before the NSW Liberals and Nationals privatised it in 2014 giving it to its current owner, AGL.

    This was despite the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission trying the block the transaction because it was likely to lead to higher electricity prices.

    Egg, Bruce. On your face.

    [Don’t know how one of Joel’s constituents got that so wrong]

  56. Boambee John

    Philby

    All immigration stops when percentage of overseas born exceeds 40% of our population

    Too high. We are currently around the 28% mark, and experiencing massive problems at that level.

    Stop immigration except for a very small group of technically qualified experts, who should include nuclear engineers, until the level is under 15%, then allow only enough to keep it at or below that level.

    And also the other points about welfare eligibility are essential.

  57. Roger

    A day before the book’s release, fans and foes lambasted Rowling, who has previously made a slew of controversial comments about the trans community, and declared her “dead” by sending #RIPJKRowling to the top of the Twitter trending charts.

    Funny, but back in thhe ’90s you would never have expected JK Rowling to end up on the right side of history and the likes of Australian Rugby Union on the wrong side.

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy you are as honest as minty.
    You’re a leftist.
    Children should have the right to work with parental permission.
    We would be better if children in indigent households were raised by middle class families.
    You’re not a bad person? Then you can pay your own way and keep your legs closed until then.
    Besides the dynamic moral hazard effect,
    kids would be better off raised in higher income households.

    Being poor doesn’t make you a bad person, but let’s not mince words – most abuse happens in low income areas. So does most domestic violence.
    There is a connection between IQ and empathy as well as an ability to earn an income.
    So,
    We should stop subsidising poverty in the least.
    Here’s a shit test for you: should kids in remote Aboriginal communities be raised by wealthy, harbourside dwelling Sydney Anglicans and Catholics or not?
    Don’t be an intellectual coward.

    Ah, there you are.
    Now everyone else can see you for what you are too.

    Well Done.

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “zyconoclast
    #3586106, posted on September 15, 2020 at 5:24 pm
    So you thought the children in “Cuties” were “pretty hot”?…”

    Cuties is a perfect metaphor of how far western societies have fallen. And as for that creep who thought the young girls in the film were “pretty hot”….he should be kept far away from prepubescent girls. But I would like to know how any parent could allow their daughters to appear in such garbage? But then again, here in Sydney there is an “esteemed” photographer beloved of luvvies and former PM who resides in Point Piper…who takes photos of naked prepubescent girls.

  60. DrBeauGan

    zyconoclast
    #3586106, posted on September 15, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    So you thought the children in “Cuties” were “pretty hot”?…

    Good ending, zyco

  61. feelthebern

    Bill Henson is not an artist.
    He is a disgusting freak.

  62. rickw

    A NSW Firearms registry official looked at a police report containing 18 entries of John Edwards’ history of assault, stalking, and AVOs, before giving the green light to allow him a permit that allowed him access to guns, an inquest had heard.

    To be fair to the clerk, this failure is built in to the design of the process. A consequence of Australia’s faulty “government does it best approach “.

    How can a bureaucrat, shuffling abstract paperwork day in / day out be expected to get it right 100% of the time? This has happened in the past, happened in this instance, will happen again in the future. The design is completely wrong.

    In the USA, the approach is completely different, the process is handled by the gun store staff at the point of sale. The situation is real, it’s their / job / business on the line, the AR-15 is on the counter, the individual is looking them in the eye. There is nothing abstract about the responsibility to check NICS and confirm that the individual isn’t prohibited. Also note the reverse design of the approach, the focus is on identifying the prohibited, rather than an granting approval.

    Anyone who wants to argue that NICS and the US model doesn’t work need only ask 100’s of left wing journalists. In dozens of different ways they have attempted to show that the system doesn’t work, to show that it is easy to buy an assault rifle, only to get red flagged. The purchase refused over that long forgotten drunken assault charge from Demoine in 1981.

    Australia is stuffed full of stupid, it is broken in manifold ways.

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3586145, posted on September 15, 2020 at 5:57 pm
    Bill Henson is not an artist.
    He is a disgusting freak.”

    Agree.

  64. Boambee John

    Roger

    Sorry VicPol, but I think you’ll find that unless he was an existential threat to the life of a member of the public at the time, ramming him with a police car is assault.

    Cough, cough, [email protected]? Definite threat, known to be such, Po lice command rejected any suggestion of blocking him in or ramming his car.

    How do the deaths, injuries and damage he caused compare to a couple of glass doors (assuming that they actually were broken)?

  65. Arky

    Only way relatively open borders can work is no welfare for at least 10 years.

    ..
    Libertarians eh?
    How about: Just NOT having open border?
    Duh, ugh… I never thought of that, Ughhhhhhh???
    Libertarians.
    Shit.

  66. feelthebern

    Is Mindhunter coming back?
    Was a good series or two.
    Not sure why they had to sex it up, making the Aussie actress a lesbian.
    Holt McCallany is an under utilised actor.

  67. sabertoothedHamster

    It is amazing how many people are staring into the face of reality and repeating whatever their “betters” are peddling. Just like in this timeless piece. It is good that some (France, Germany) are starting to slowly wake up to it.
    &nbsp
    Long time ago I found this post, beautifully explaining many things, including nowadays Trump, Andrews, Climate Change, Covid and many, many others: https://www.ecosophia.net/the-twilight-of-authority/. I really hope that we’ll soon see the end to the “Era of Abstraction”, as the walls seem to have started to crumble. If only I could find enough spirit (metaphorically) to persevere until the end of curfew…
    &nbsp
    The quote from the above post, particularly applicable to the current situation:
    &nbsp

    The difficulty, of course, is that people who grow up in an era of abstraction are used to thinking that they know what the truth is. If they belong to one of their society’s privileged classes—for example, the educated intelligentsia—they’re also used to telling other people what the truth is, and expecting anybody less privileged than they are to shut up and listen. As an era of abstraction comes unglued, in turn, people who think this way face the shattering discovery that the people below them on the pyramid aren’t willing to shut up and listen to them any more. Thus they inevitably start looking for something that they think will make people shut up and listen—and at the same time, people in the less privileged classes who aspire to the status as dispensers of truth are just as busy looking for something that will make everyone listen to them.
    &nbsp
    It’s a cold and scary place for would-be dispensers of truth, there at the end of an era of abstraction. It’s not just that nobody’s willing to shut up and listen to them, either. Tolerably often, they themselves begin to notice that the abstract generalizations they’ve been peddling as truth don’t actually work so well. Human nature being what it is, their usual response is to double down and get shrill about it, and to add as much physical violence to the equation as local custom permits.

  68. miltonf

    Vandalism is indefensible but again it’s dealt with in court and doesn’t excuse ramming the alleged vandal with a vehicle. Is that what they’re trying to say? He broke two glass doors so driving at him and stomping on his head was ok?

  69. Makka

    Regional Victorians can enjoy “new” freedoms.

    What’s new about being free. Fmd.

  70. Snoopy

    You have to give it to the leprechaun. Now he’s got NSW, Victoria and Queensland fighting over which is going to meet Qantas’s wages bill for the next few years.

  71. Eyrie

    How about someone putting up posters around Melbourne

    Wanted
    Daniel Andrews
    For Crimes against Humanity

  72. Arky

    Only way relatively open borders can work is no welfare for at least 10 years.

    ..
    You know how that would work in practice.
    Do you? Huh? Do you?
    After some tens of millions odd simpletons landed here from everywhere, and began starving in the streets, your human rights lawyers and the media would start screaming that they needed free housing, free education, free healthcare, free money. And they would get it.

  73. Roger

    Cuties is a perfect metaphor of how far western societies have fallen.

    A comment of mine on this on the Open Thread was deleted by Sinclair, so let’s see how this goes:

    I suggest it’s no accident that Cuties originates in France, where the sexualisation of children has been on the agenda for decades. In the 1970s many of the leading lights of French literature and philosophy (i.e. prog-leftists to a man + Simone de Beauvoir) petitioned the government to abolish the age of consent. That is not conjecture, it is historically attested fact.

  74. feelthebern

    VicPol have dropped “alleged” from their vocabulary.
    Are they being cavalier because they know there is zero chance of a defamation case getting up if the punter is found innocent?

  75. Cassie of Sydney

    “Not sure why they had to sex it up, making the Aussie actress a lesbian.”

    I thought so too…but on Netflix now almost every female character is a lesbian. Boring and ridiculous.

  76. miltonf

    I don’t like the leprechaun but Qantas is a pretty good airline. Love going with them to the US.

  77. miltonf

    Arky, it would be like camp of the saints.

  78. Arky

    This new libertarian idea that “Hey, we can have open borders, but [serious face] ONLY after getting rid of the welfare state”.
    Is jusy as stupid as their original idea: “Hey lets open the borders to the world, then they will HAVE to get rid of the welfare state.
    You stupid libertarians. Once they are here, they’re staying. And nothing stops them subsequently voting themselves welfare.

  79. feelthebern

    Only the weak minded need titillation.
    Marcus Aurelius would weep with what the west has become.

  80. Delta A

    The younger people are introduced to paid work the better.

    Dead right, FTB.

    I posted almost four years ago when granddaughter #1 trotted her resume everywhere, instantly scoring an after school waitressing job with the top pub in town. Now she’s at uni and, having taken all the courses for bartenders, her free days and evenings are booked solid for work.

    She’s bought a wardrobe full of trendy clothes, a zippy little runabout plus insurance and RAA membership, and is amassing quite a bank balance to put towards her first residence.

    Inspired, granddaughter #2 has her resume ready to go for when she turns 15 in a few months.

  81. feelthebern

    Financial freedom should be the number one goal.
    Depending on taxpayers for income is slavery.
    Free yourself.

  82. Bruce of Newcastle

    Egg, Bruce. On your face.

    William the glorious Conqueror, here you go.
    You obviously (a) can’t read what I write and (b) can’t use a search engine.
    Sheesh.

  83. calli

    The younger people are introduced to paid work the better.

    Heh. Exactly 20 years ago I was waiting for my daughter to balance the till and tidy and lock up at the Cheesecake Shop. Missed the opening of the Oilympics on the tele.

    Daughter is now the proud owner of a multi-million dollar business.

    And it all started with “undressed” pavlova. 😀

  84. miltonf

    A government that is big enough to give you all that you need can also take it away from you.

  85. feelthebern

    I’ve always thought it odd how so many in our society seek out slavery.
    They embrace their own slavery.
    They are scared of anything but their own slavery.
    Insanity.

  86. miltonf

    This is the thing- I agree the private sector generally does a better job than government but, compared to when the government owned power stations, banks and airlines, government now is bigger and more intrusive. We are less free.

  87. Snoopy

    Daughter is now the proud owner of a multi-million dollar business.

    So she’s not in Victoria then?

  88. miltonf

    I know Carr and Egan (what a gruesome twosome) were itching to flog off electricity assets but the unions wouldn’t let them. Unions aren’t all bad.

  89. Bruce of Newcastle

    And don’t bother fisking what I wrote because what I wrote was in relation to Rick’s 4:13pm comment, which if you read what he wrote and then read what I wrote makes perfect sense relative to the link I gave.

    Iemma, Rees, Keneally, Turnbull, Rudd and Gillard all have been booted over stupid global warming. Albo is hanging on by his tendrils in the face of the CFMEU and AWU. You’d think these stupid people would learn by now. CAGW isn’t happening and anyone who tries to put in Gaia-luvvin’ stuff overtly gets nuked by the ordinary people. It’s going to get worse for the elites too as the people are now fuming because of the fascist bat crud restrictions.

  90. Carpe Jugulum

    The younger people are introduced to paid work the better.

    Heh. Exactly 20 years ago I was waiting for my daughter to balance the till and tidy and lock up at the Cheesecake Shop.

    I know back in ’76 my oldest brother went into the RAAF at 16, 2nd eldest in the RAN at 15.5 (1977) and me at 17 (1980) it was the norm for most youngsters to be around 16 to go into full time work, the remaining 10% went to uni or finished 6th form then joined the military.

    My youngest had an after school job as a youth then started his apprenticeship, the older 2 not so much.

  91. feelthebern

    Ron Swanson gets it.

  92. Herodotus

    So Dan Andrews doesn’t think that VicPol have any issues, despite them monstering the public in line with his directives. See article at The Australian.
    It’s odd that a left-wing government can indulge in the sort of outrageous stuff (along with and exemplified by their police “service”, or is that “force” again now that Dan is in charge?) without the media going full-boar on them. Whenever a conservative government (remember them, they used to exist?) stepped over a much more mild (and possibly non-existent) line the media was in eggbeater mode instantly.

  93. miltonf

    That ramming and head stomping vid really is sickening. Goon squad stuff. What utter fuckwits.

  94. mh

    IBAC to investigate two officers over Epping head-stomping incident
    The anti-corruption watchdog will conduct a criminal investigation into the conduct of two police officers involved in the arrest of a man who was stomped on and hit by a police car in Melbourne’s north
    .

    IBAC.
    Might get a better outcome with ACAB.

  95. William the Conjuror

    Lol, Bruce. Here, have a Kleenex. Wipe that egg off.

  96. cohenite

    Deaths in victoristan for August over the years:

    2010: 3914
    2011: 3740
    2012: 3756
    2013: 3413
    2014: 3304
    2015: 3541
    2016: 3493
    2017: 4097
    2018: 3688
    2019: 3892
    2020: 3691

    The hunchback is a genius!

  97. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lol, Bruce. Here, have a Kleenex. Wipe that egg off.

    Lean over and I’ll do it for you.
    Presumably you can wipe your own face or you wouldn’t’ve asked.
    I’m amused that you declare victory like a pigeon.
    Read the link.

  98. miltonf

    It’s odd that a left-wing government can indulge in the sort of outrageous stuff (along with and exemplified by their police “service”, or is that “force” again now that Dan is in charge?) without the media going full-boar on them. Whenever a conservative government (remember them, they used to exist?) stepped over a much more mild (and possibly non-existent) line the media was in eggbeater mode instantly.

    Yes when I was at high school I remember them all giving Joh Bjelke-Petersen the treatment because of his anti march laws.

  99. Carpe Jugulum

    William the Conjuror
    #3586184, posted on September 15, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    Lol, Bruce. Here, have a Kleenex. Wipe that egg off.

    That’s not a comeback, please try again and put a bit of effort into it, this isn’t twitter. (D-).

  100. Knuckle Dragger

    Child’s musical performance/gig I have to go to.

    Not the recorder. Drums. Apparently he’s quite the thang.

    Said to me last night he told his music teacher, who told him to improvise – ‘you can’t improvise a John Bonham solo.’

    Review later.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ron Swanson gets it.

    Sadly the actor is an idiot.

    ‘Parks and Recreation’ cast reuniting to help Wisconsin Democrats ‘ensure that Trump loses’ (13 Sep)

    The cast of the popular sitcom, which ended in 2015, is getting back together to raise money for the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Cast members Amy Poehler, Adam Scott, Aubrey Plaza, Retta, Nick Offerman, Jim O’Heir and series co-creator Michael Schur will join forces for a livestream event that will be open to anyone who donates at least $1 to the organization.

    You can see why Hollywood movies are so hopeless right now. Someone infected these people with delusions of intellect.

  102. Roger

    So Dan Andrews doesn’t think that VicPol have any issues, despite them monstering the public in line with his directives.

    History teaches that there is no principle the Left will not discard in order to advance their goals, which are basically to attain and retain power.

    We really oughtn’t be surprised at this.

    Exceptions to this pattern of behaviour are rare.

  103. feelthebern

    Sadly the actor is an idiot.

    99% of them are.

  104. rickw

    Ron Swanson gets it.

    Sadly the actor is an idiot.

    None of the commonsense of his character seeped into him.

  105. zyconoclast

    Is this the fuckarse who made the movie? What I thought when I saw the clips from the depraved effort is that I wanted to punch the face in of the bastard who made it. Looking at the guy it’s long overdue.

    Director and writer is Maïmouna Doucouré

    Doucouné said she “created a climate of trust between the children and myself” during filming. She stated while working on the film, “I explained to them everything I was doing and the research that I had done before I wrote this story. I was also lucky that these girls’ parents were also activists, so we were all on the same side. At their age, they’ve seen this kind of dance. Any child with a telephone can find these images on social media these days.” She also stated that she worked with a child psychologist during filming.[15] It was revealed that Doucouré spent nearly 18 months doing a lot of research studies on how young and pre-teen children are being exposed to 18+ adult content and sexualised images on social media in order to showcase the accurate reality in the film.[8] She revealed that approximately 700 girls were auditioned to chose the suitable girl to play the lead role.[16]

  106. Roger

    Bruce ,

    Don’t let Willy the Witch Doctor get under your skin.

    Just ignore him.

    Everybody else does. 😉

  107. mh

    Paywallian

    ‘No cultural problem with police’: Andrews
    Victoria’s Premier denies the state’s cops have a serious issue following a string of recent incidents.
    5 MINUTES AGO By RACHEL BAXENDALE, ROBYN IRONSIDE, DAVID ROSS

    No serious issue if it was China.

  108. Roger

    Sadly the actor is an idiot.

    99% of them are.

    Reference Antony Hopkins.

  109. Roger

    Doucouné said she “created a climate of trust between the children and myself” during filming.

    Aka grooming.

  110. notafan

    James Woods and Adam Baldwin are okay.

  111. feelthebern

    James Woods went to MIT before he got into acting.
    Smart guy.
    Great actor.

  112. “Anyone deemed high risk by health authorities could be forcibly detained under the extension of powers including conspiracy theorists or anti-lockdown protesters who refuse to isolate.”

    Premier Dan Andrews is seeks powers to extend this current power to detain anybody in Victoria who is “a problem”.

  113. Tim Neilson

    I was also lucky that these girls’ parents were also activists, so we were all on the same side

    Parents who let their daughters be in this film were enlightened progressive intellectuals? I wonder what odds Sportsbet were offering on that.

  114. feelthebern

    “Anyone deemed high risk by health authorities could be forcibly detained under the extension of powers including conspiracy theorists or anti-lockdown protesters who refuse to isolate.”

    Also called the Cornelius Get Square bill.
    You could imagine that cowardly fuck getting ready to use it.

  115. old bloke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3585795, posted on September 15, 2020 at 11:31 am

    All the primitives in the hick towns are free to roam around rooting their cousins, but the rest of us still getting run over and stomped.

    GENTLEPEOPLE … I AM GETTING TIRED OF ASKING YOU TO REFRAIN FROM ACCUSATIONS OF COUSIN-SEX AGAUNST FELLOW POSTERS WHO ARE NOT FROM QUEENSLAND.

    Wasn’t that a Tasmanian thing?

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ve never heard of CKN Toys. Is that you Arky?

    Who’s The Most Popular YouTuber In Every Country? (14 Sep)

  117. woolfe

    Check out the air traffic in Europe.

    Why are we locked up???

    https://www.flightradar24.com/44.98,10.78/5

  118. Roger

    Premier Dan Andrews is seeks powers to extend this current power to detain anybody in Victoria who is “a problem”.

    It’s at this point where the Commonwealth, as the signatory to various international covenants guaranteeing human rights, would have reason and the necessary constitutional powers to intervene in Victoria.

    Over to you, SloMo & Christian Porter.

  119. feelthebern

    Christian Porter

    Bwaahahahaha

  120. Carpe Jugulum

    “I explained to them everything I was doing and the research that I had done before I wrote this story.

    AKA kiddy pron off the dark web & P2P

  121. cohenite

    Director and writer is Maïmouna Doucouré

    Ok, she should be punched in the face.

  122. Carpe Jugulum

    Over to you, SloMo & Christian Porter.

    AAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahah *snort* hahahahahahahahahahaha

  123. Megan

    So Victoria has gone from flatten the curve to full on police state in 6 months thanks to the Jug Eared Imbecile.

    I want to be anywhere but Vic.

  124. rickw

    Why are we locked up???

    If there are no airlines it is much more difficult to leave the open air gulag.

  125. feelthebern

    Dan Andrews could bring in racial purity laws & Christian Porter would find an excuse not to intervene.

  126. miltonf

    Did Porter ever do anything about that pubic serpent who was harassing CPAC?

  127. miltonf

    The very model of a Canbra wimmin.

  128. Top Ender

    Mornington Peninsula cafe owner to challenge Melbourne curfew

    A single mother of three who runs a cafe on the Mornington Peninsula says Melbourne’s controversial curfew is needlessly causing damage and has now launched a bid to have it overturned.

    Premier Daniel Andrews has dismissed human rights concerns surrounding Victoria’s strict curfew, saying they are not the issue at hand.

    Small business owner Michelle Loielo is challenging the legality of the lockdown saying she has seen a 99 per cent drop in turnover since it came into effect.

    Ms Loielo, who runs a cafe on the Mornington Peninsula, said she had earned up to $20,000 a week and last week made just $400.

    The single mother of three, who lost her husband to cancer two years ago, said the curfew had been needlessly damaging.

    “Since the implementation of the curfew I would describe the home environment for my children and I as absolutely suffocating,” she said in an affidavit filed with the court.

    “Looking after the mental and emotional wellbeing of my children, coupled with the pressure of trying to keep my business afloat, has taken a significant toll on my health.

    “The social isolation from my family and friends has been unbearable.”

    Ms Loielo has asked the Supreme Court to either quash the Stay At Home Directions that stipulate the curfew, or rule it unlawful.

    She is not seeking any damages or compensation.

    “The damage has been done, nothing can undo it now,” she told the Herald Sun.

    The case has been filed against Associate Professor Michelle Giles in her capacity as Deputy Public Health Commander.

    Lawyers for Ms Loielo will argue that Prof Giles acted at the behest of the Premier, with no independent consideration.

    Mr Andrews has taken responsibility for imposing the curfew, despite it not being a recommendation of chief health officer Brett Sutton.

    He has said it was imposed to assist police in enforcing the broader lockdown.

    An originating motion filed with the court argues the curfew direction was unlawful, illogical and invalid.

    Ms Loielo is being represented pro bono by Marcus Clarke, QC.

    Herald-Sun complete

  129. Roger

    AAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahah *snort* hahahahahahahahahahaha

    I was going to add “don’t hold your breath.”

    But you’ve let it out already!

  130. incoherent rambler

    Stalaglotto Predictions time.

    How is the coup in Shitstainistan going to end?

    And the bonus bet: Will Sinclair be the first of the troublesome people to be arrested?

  131. chrisl

    Sign of the times
    Elderly neighbour had to attend hospital in Geelong
    She called a taxi to take her to the bus stop
    Cost $2.50
    Where are you going on the bus ?
    45 minutes away
    How much is the bus fare ?
    $10
    I can match that said the taxi driver
    And he did

  132. calli

    I was also lucky that these girls’ parents were also activists, so we were all on the same side.

    “Luck” was it? Sure. Grooming and pandering. And they’re out and proud about it too.

    Poor little children.

  133. Armadillo

    “Anyone deemed high risk by health authorities could be forcibly detained”

    He’s going after your grandmother now? I notice the left in the US were complaining about elderly people being at Trump rallies.

  134. MatrixTransform

    I’ve never heard of CKN Toys

    ‘ken toys … hilarious

    also ‘ken brushies

    and its spring

    ‘ken maggies

  135. feelthebern

    Marcus Clarke, QC will now be on the list Cornelius drools over every night as he shovels gravy & ice cream into his pelican shaped gullet.

  136. calli

    And before you thump her, I’ll do a Moe Howard eye poke.

  137. Cassie of Sydney

    “miltonf
    #3586222, posted on September 15, 2020 at 7:11 pm
    Did Porter ever do anything about that pubic serpent who was harassing CPAC?”

    I’d say not.

  138. MatrixTransform

    I want to be anywhere but Vic.

    the shootings will stop when the protesting stops

  139. feelthebern

    Hats off to Marcus Clarke.
    Putting himself in harms way, to defend freedom.
    Is this the same Marcus Clarke that google tells me was previously on the board of Carlton?

  140. mh

    One more term of Dan Xi and this will be the result when you criticise VicPol

  141. miltonf

    Cassie that incident shows how the executive has no control. They are just figureheads with their salaries, comcars etc.

  142. Makka

    Poor little children.

    These are the same leftist celebs and entertainment freaks that have TDS and urging support for BLM and untold destruction of US cities. These same celebs have been the target of numerous demonstrations in Hollywood urging authorities to act on their blatant kiddy fid dling . This is the same leftist ideology supported here by numbers and mUnty. All of them sick and perverted.

  143. calli

    Seems testing numbers are way down in NSW and Vic.

    It’s a mystery.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zimbabwe farmer Martin Grobler evicted weeks after compensation

    By The Times
    The Times
    4:00PM September 14, 2020
    37 Comments

    A commercial farmer has been evicted from his land in Zimbabwe six weeks after the government announced a “historic” deal with dispossessed whites to compensate them for previous confiscation of their land.

    Martin Grobler, 63, and his wife Debbie were given hours to vacate their home by the new owner, an official from the lands ministry, who arrived with a sheriff, a court order and a lorry full of police. The fate of the couple’s 120 employees, planted fields and 250 head of cattle were thrown into doubt by the eviction which came as a “total shock”, Mr Grobler said.

    He had felt “more secure” since President Mnangagwa hailed a dollars 3.5 billion compensation package signed with farmers’ leaders in late July as “a symbol of our commitment to constitutionalism, the respect of the rule of law and property rights”.

    The new owner of Protea Valley Farm has been named as Ivy Rupindi, an official at the lands ministry, who was given an “offer letter” for the property some years ago. Dewa Mavhinga, from Human Rights Watch, said local reports suggested Ms Rupindi was connected to the president “and has claimed she is his daughter”. Certainly, the deployment of large numbers of police and a sheriff “suggested she is very well connected”.

    Mr Grobler, the third generation of his family to work Zimbabwe’s land, told The Times that he and his wife “are now pretty much at the mercy of everybody’s favours. We are most concerned about our staff who have been left in shock and fear.” They were planning to plant 120 acres of maize and transplant 120 acres of tobacco seedlings this week, he added.

    They had rented the farm, 25 miles from Harare, since they were among 4,500 white farmers evicted under Robert Mugabe’s chaotic land redistribution policy, which began in 2000. Shortly after ousting Mr Mugabe in late 2017, Mr Mnangagwa said he wanted white farmers to return to their land, which has mostly been left fallow.

    The government said it was “aware” of the eviction, but was “trying to establish the facts behind the matter”. Tendai Biti, a senior opposition MP, said it was “a typical tactic” of Mr Mnangagwa’s government to distance itself from actions that associate it with the Mugabe-style lawlessness it had vowed to end.

    Since the country’s coffers are empty, the cash needed for the compensation deal would be raised in 30-year bonds on the international market, the compensation agreement said. Half the sum would be distributed within a year, the rest paid out in the next four.

    Andy Pascoe, head of the Commercial Farmers Union, said: “Similar cases have been brought to our attention and we have been able to resolve them before eviction orders were enforced.”

  145. miltonf

    “Anyone deemed high risk by health authorities could be forcibly detained under the extension of powers including conspiracy theorists or anti-lockdown protesters who refuse to isolate.”

    Is this new legislation or a new interpretation of an existing law?

  146. MatrixTransform

    don’t give Dan the boot

    … take yr excess boots and drop them off out the front of your local VikLabor member’s shop-front office

    leave yr mobile at home

    do it before curfew

    on the way to colesworth

    in under an hour

    … go!

  147. Arky

    don’t give Dan the boot…
    take yr excess boots and drop them off

    ..
    Good thing they don’t want us to give him the sack.

  148. miltonf

    The betrayal of Rhodesia is deeply upsetting. Fraser, Thatcher, Wilson don’t look good.

  149. Anyone else like Stimpy understand why I am meant to be ashamed for preferring stable homes for kids instead of abortion, abuse and squalor?

    PS

    Never take shit off mentally ill arseholes.

  150. Megan

    Arky! 😂😂😂

    He’s pretty much emasculated the entire state…so you could be onto something.

  151. MatrixTransform

    don’t leave finger prints

  152. MatrixTransform

    dodge the bullets and head stomps

  153. MatrixTransform

    …and laugh yr fucking arse off

  154. K2

    Cockroaches are uncomfortable when exposed to the light.

  155. hzhousewife

    Doucouné said she “created a climate of trust between the children and myself” during filming.

    Aka grooming.

    Sadly, the attention coming her way will only convince this woman that she was timely and correct and “in touch with the pulse of the planet” in making her film. I consider her a criminal.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The betrayal of Rhodesia is deeply upsetting. Fraser, Thatcher, Wilson don’t look good.

    Fraser closed down the Rhodesian Government information office, while allowing the Palestinian Liberation Organization to establish an information office, in Melbourne.

  157. Immigration TO Australia is a joke anyway.

    I am not joking and it makes me sad but Victoria is like a less evil version of East Germany.

    Who on earth went BACKWARDS over the Berlin Wall? Absolute mad lads, I suspect NO ONE.

  158. Sexualising children isn’t necessarily a crime.

    Should it be?

    Okay, then how do you write the legislation?

  159. sfw

    Arky, take a valium or two and maybe a scotch and a lie down, I was just saying that it’s the only way it could work, if those rules were made clear and not alterable it would work, however I agree with you, in the long term the lefties would pervert the rules.

  160. MatrixTransform

    Victoria is like a less evil version of East Germany

    hold my VB

  161. Leigh Lowe

    It’s at this point where the Commonwealth, as the signatory to various international covenants guaranteeing human rights, would have reason and the necessary constitutional powers to intervene in Victoria.

    Over to you, SloMo & Christian Porter.

    Strange as it may sound, I think if Gough was still around he would be all over the external powers thing.
    He hated states getting too big for their boots.
    He regarded Premiers as akin to mayors of provincial towns.

  162. notafan

    Ha I just realised my local mp is labor, and too far away. I wrote to him a while back thinking he was lib, he actually said Scott agrees with Dan.

    I returned serve, very politely. No further correspondence. Oh well. I doubt I’m the only one that said they were unhappy with lockdown on the basis of proportionality .

    Also no old boots left

    I guess if you aren’t wildly cheerleading, you risk being called disloyal.

  163. The government cannot enforce laws that don’t exist. Are you SURE you want sympathetic appellate (and non appellate) judges making the law with little to no legal authority on a whim…and it won’t backfire?

    *This is grooming*

    Maybe but how will any normal non parental relationship with a child be viewed?

    I admit ignorance. I haven’t seen the fillums in question and quite frankly I don’t want to.

    I saw a review of a review on The Quartering and that was confronting and awful enough.

  164. MatrixTransform

    Also no old boots left

    I could post a boot to PO Box if required

  165. Leigh Lowe

    From the Oz …

    ADF member fined over hotel quarantine breach

    A member of the Australian Defence Force has been hit with a $1000 fine after entertaining a female guest while in mandatory quarantine in Sydney overnight.

    Entertaining?
    Juggling?
    Card tricks?
    Playing the ukulele?
    What?

  166. Roger is right regarding our human rights per Ch III and the ICCPR but the High Court will usually roll over for a tummy rub when the executive powere of the Commonwealth is challenged or a conflict of rights and laws threatens to diminish a positive right, they choose to extinguish the negative right preferentially.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    Also no old boots left

    Bugger.
    Just pitched a pair of porous gumboots out at the tip a couple of weeks ago.

  168. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Arky at 6:09 pm:

    ” Only way relatively open borders can work is no welfare for at least 10 years.

    ..
    You know how that would work in practice.
    Do you? Huh? Do you?
    After some tens of millions odd simpletons landed here from everywhere, and began starving in the streets, your human rights lawyers and the media would start screaming that they needed free housing, free education, free healthcare, free money. And they would get it.

    That is pretty much how the government got the system to its current condition in the first place – coincidentally the “empathy” lobbyists / Rintoul’s social architects are based in Melbourne.

    Further from Arky at 6:13 pm:

    “…
    You stupid libertarians. Once they are here, they’re staying. And nothing stops them subsequently voting themselves welfare.”

    That’s a fact. Both you and I would be stunned by the concessions, free stuff and rails runs enjoyed by the grubs which governments and charities conceal from ordinary Australian taxpayers and soft headed donors. We do not know the half of it.

  169. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sexualising children isn’t necessarily a crime.
    Should it be?
    Okay, then how do you write the legislation?

    Killing kids who haven’t been born yet isn’t a crime.
    The measure of the Left is what they like to do to children.
    Who have no means to defend themselves.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    You say ukelele.
    I say ukulele.

  171. mh

    This one from last month.
    VicPol really hate women.
    Check out the bruises at the end of the video.
    How dare she go walking!

  172. nb

    Vitamin D now recommended by Fauci.
    Let’s wait and see how Dan’s health officials in Victoria declare vitamin D a health hazard.
    China ALP.

  173. Carpe Jugulum

    Entertaining?
    Juggling?
    Card tricks?
    Playing the ukulele?
    What?

    I suspect bumping uglies

  174. MatrixTransform

    You say ukelele.
    I say ukulele.

    theTard will pounce on that like a seagull on chip

  175. Nick

    What?

    Older woman likes man in uniform

  176. Carpe Jugulum

    Good thing they don’t want us to give him the sack.

    Thanks Arky, good thing i was sitting down when you wrote that

  177. notafan

    I guess I might tweet some sciencey stuff at him occassionally. His Twitter feed is very quiet.

  178. Cassie of Sydney

    Watched Credlin tonight and she had the lovely Nicolle Flint, MP for Boothby. Nicolle appeared today before a committee investigating (yet again) GetUp’s tactics last year in the federal election and in particular her electorate where she was stalked by a GetUp stooge for weeks..among other outrages. Flint had to go to the police….she’s a single woman….being stalked by a man would be frightening even if you weren’t single. Anyway, Nicolle won the electorate in the election despite the stalking, despite being screamed and shouted down by GetUp activists at pre-election debates (they didn’t shout down Labor or the Greens), despite having excrement thrown at her office. But what she said tonight stunned me…..apparently that despicable chap Wong attacked her today about her testimony. But doesn’t Wong condemn violence and abuse against women? Didn’t Wong and her fellow skank Keneally move a senate censure motion against Bettina Arndt in relation to violence against women….and that senate motion was supported by all senate Liberals? Yet Wong doesn’t seem concerned that a conservative woman is stalked and harassed. Seriously…those stupid effing Liberals never learn…they should throw back the double standards to Wong…but they won’t because they are useless.

  179. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ben Wyatt reveals ‘disgusting’ racial abuse from Black Lives Matters supporters after Ken Wyatt revelations
    Peter Law
    The West Australian
    Tue, 15 September 2020 2:31PM
    Comments
    Peter Law

    Ben Wyatt says left wing social media trolls are behind the “most disgusting” abuse aimed at him, with some Black Lives Matters supporters accusing him of not being Aboriginal enough.

    Australia’s first Aboriginal treasurer spoke out in support of his cousin, Federal Minister for Indigenous Australians Ken Wyatt, who revealed on the front page of The West Australian the racist attacks he receives from left- and right-wing fanatics.

    Both men were targeted with vile online abuse after they urged people to stay away from Black Lives Matter rallies staged across Australia in June because of their concerns about the spread of COVID-19.

    Ben Wyatt, who is also WA’s Aboriginal Affairs Minister, on Tuesday said he “wasn’t surprised” his cousin, a Federal Liberal MP, had been labelled a “token Indigenous member”, “coconut” and “Uncle Tom”.

    “The terms that Ken referred to on the front page of The West are terms that I suspect Aboriginal politicians across the nation have had to deal with for a long period of time,” he said.

    “Recent activities — whether it be Black Lives Matter Ever or whatever — has escalated the social media trolling and racist abuse and I think that’s what Ken’s reflecting on.”

    The father-of-two, who earlier this year reversed his shock decision to quit politics at the 2021 State election, said the vile comments were often posted on Twitter or sent by email and he generally dealt with the abuse by ignoring it.

    Mr Wyatt said it was very rare for people to be abusive to his face, but “they’re more happy to do it from the security of their keyboard”.

    I actually found, to be honest, the most disgusting comments that I got were really associated with (the supporters of the) Black Lives Matter rallies,” the Victoria Park MP said.

    Not the good, the holy, the saintly BLM?

  180. mh

    Men fined for ‘loitering in a laneway’ among Victorians breaching restrictions

    Six men have been fined for “loitering together in a laneway” in the Melbourne CBD during the city’s strict COVID-19 lockdown.

    Hanging out in laneways may be a Melbourne staple but these men’s expensive catch-up resulted in them now having to cough up $9,912.

    The six men were among 84 Victorians fined for breaching COVID-19 restrictions in the 24 hours to midday Tuesday.

  181. BrettW

    St Mary’s Cathedral or Auburn Gallipoli Mosque – exemption – from Daily Tele

    Australians have been extraordinarily docile and obliging about COVID-19 restrictions on their freedoms, in a way that Americans never would be.However, the social contract implicit in bowing to unprecedented government authority is that everyone is treated the same.

    So what game was NSW Health playing when it granted Auburn Gallipoli Mosque a special COVID-19 exemption to quadruple the allowed number of worshippers to 400 for Friday Eid al-Adha prayers six weeks ago, while rejecting for the third time requests from St Mary’s Cathedral to relax the 100-person cap? Are Catholics more contagious than Muslims?

    Under NSW coronavirus restrictions in place from July 1, places of worship are limited to 100 people, or one visitor per four square meters.Good luck to Auburn mosque, but fair’s fair.St Mary’s already has been twice rejected for exemptions to allow more than 100 people in the enormous cathedral to celebrate the ordination of new priests.

    Now, for a third time, its request for a permanent exemption to accommodate up to 300 mass-goers has been rejected, even though it would still easily allow four square meters per person to social distance.
    In an extraordinary email dated September 4, Dr Richard Broome, Acting Executive Director, Health Protection NSW, explains his rejection of St Mary’s request to NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant: “A specific exemption for St Mary’s would create a precedent that could lead to widespread relaxation of the gathering rule and a substantial increase in the number of large gatherings.”

    Well, yes. Which is why Catholics and other religious observers assumed the Auburn mosque precedent would apply to them. Broome went on to claim: “People who participate in church gatherings may be older than average and at greater risk of serious illness if they acquire COVID-19.” Broome clearly hasn’t seen all the Catholic churches brimming with children and babies. In any case, he should trust elderly or infirm people would be sensible enough to stay home and not put themselves at risk. This is the advice Sydney Archbishop Anthony Fisher gives to parishioners.

    Broome concludes his advice with the observation that “hospitality venues are permitted to allow up to 300 people in separate areas of the premises with individual groups less than 10. Several outbreaks have been associated with very large pubs and clubs in NSW.”

    If that’s the case, why are pubs and clubs allowed three times as many guests as churches? This sort of arbitrary picking of winners by faceless health bureaucrats will end in tears. There must be one rule for all, no special favours, or Sydneysiders will stop being so amenable.

    Miranda Devine is in New York for 18 months to cover current affairs for The Daily Telegraph

  182. dover_beach

    Sexualising children isn’t necessarily a crime.

    Nurse!

  183. MatrixTransform

    today I walked up Queen St with a work colleague

    4 burly fuckers with pistols were pulling up cars.

    I’ll lay odds that the loiterers were simply building workers

    don’t stand outside and eat yr Bahn Mi …. don’t have smoke

    don’t get uppity either

    mate

  184. miltonf

    KD Wrong is poison. Seems like a very unhappy person too.

  185. Someone tried the ‘regulation vs offence’ line with real police. They harass a guy for not wearing a mask and not showing his doctors note, “That’s fine, you might have one, but until you provide it I don’t know if you have the medical exemption, and therefore I believe you may be committing an offence.” Then the citizen starts reading from a printout of the DHHS website saying that police cannot ask to see it. The police seamlessly change their story to he’s suspected of committing an offence, not wearing a mask, and under the Crimes Act they can ask for ID. “Under the [Public] Health and Wellbeing Act, you need to wear a mask”, to which the guy replies, “that is a directive, not a law.” Unfortunately, the guy then shows them his permit rather than pressing the point.

    What’s happening here is police are drilled with the Crimes Act and all the rights under it. Then they’ve been tossed a new act, told to enforce it, and left to assume that all the unlawful offences therein can be enforced in the same way they enforce criminal offences in the Crimes Act. They’ve also probably been told by the brass to ask for peoples’ medical exemptions regardless of the law.

    https://youtu.be/SriGnUXiyq0

  186. notafan

    Yes DB I don’t get it.

  187. mh

    A lot of nostalgia on the anniversary of the Sydney Olympics.
    But we should also remember the Olympic Gang Rapes.
    White Aussie girls were getting targeted.

  188. miltonf

    today I walked up Queen St with a work colleague

    4 burly fuckers with pistols were pulling up cars.

    I’ll lay odds that the loiterers were simply building workers

    don’t stand outside and eat yr Bahn Mi …. don’t have smoke

    don’t get uppity either

    mate
    They really seem to be enjoying this.

  189. BrettW

    St Mary’s Cathedral or Auburn Gallipoli Mosque – exemption – from Daily Tele

    Australians have been extraordinarily docile and obliging about COVID-19 restrictions on their freedoms, in a way that Americans never would be. However, the social contract implicit in bowing to unprecedented government authority is that everyone is treated the same.

    So what game was NSW Health playing when it granted Auburn Gallipoli Mos que a special COVID-19 exemption to quadruple the allowed number of worshippers to 400 for Friday Eid al-Adha prayers six weeks ago, while rejecting for the third time requests from St Mary’s Cathedral to relax the 100-person cap? Are Catholics more contagious than M’s?

    Under NSW coronavirus restrictions in place from July 1, places of worship are limited to 100 people, or one visitor per four square meters. Good luck to Auburn mosque, but fair’s fair.St Mary’s already has been twice rejected for exemptions to allow more than 100 people in the enormous cathedral to celebrate the ordination of new priests.

    Now, for a third time, its request for a permanent exemption to accommodate up to 300 mass-goers has been rejected, even though it would still easily allow four square meters per person to social distance.
    In an extraordinary email dated September 4, Dr Richard Broome, Acting Executive Director, Health Protection NSW, explains his rejection of St Mary’s request to NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant: “A specific exemption for St Mary’s would create a precedent that could lead to widespread relaxation of the gathering rule and a substantial increase in the number of large gatherings.”

    Well, yes. Which is why Catholics and other religious observers assumed the Auburn mosque precedent would apply to them. Broome went on to claim: “People who participate in church gatherings may be older than average and at greater risk of serious illness if they acquire COVID-19.” Broome clearly hasn’t seen all the Catholic churches brimming with children and babies. In any case, he should trust elderly or infirm people would be sensible enough to stay home and not put themselves at risk. This is the advice Sydney Archbishop Anthony Fisher gives to parishioners.

    Broome concludes his advice with the observation that “hospitality venues are permitted to allow up to 300 people in separate areas of the premises with individual groups less than 10. Several outbreaks have been associated with very large pubs and clubs in NSW.”

    If that’s the case, why are pubs and clubs allowed three times as many guests as churches? This sort of arbitrary picking of winners by faceless health bureaucrats will end in tears. There must be one rule for all, no special favours, or Sydneysiders will stop being so amenable.

    Miranda Devine is in New York for 18 months to cover current affairs for The Daily Telegraph

  190. MatrixTransform

    They really seem to be enjoying this.

    we got the hairy eyeball too

    me and mate, didn’t break stride, didn’t even stop the conv we were having and just basically blanked them

    and we were basically talking about what a fucking goon-squad they were for the marxist fucktards that making their play

  191. You can be twee all you like DB but I am not the demented left making crap like Cuties.

    If it isn’t grooming then what are you doing about it what or should the government do, without acting ultra vires?

  192. miltonf

    Yes they are making their play. This is a marxist government.

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    Miranda Devine is in New York for 18 months to cover current affairs for The Daily Telegraph

    And is hitting sixes. Trump reads her stuff. Well done that Aussie!

  194. stackja

    BrettW
    #3586293, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:11 pm

    Broome sweeping question under a carpet?

  195. egg_

    Is there life floating in the clouds of Venus?

    It’s an extraordinary possibility – the idea that living organisms are floating in the clouds of Planet Venus.

    But this is what astronomers are now considering after detecting a gas in the atmosphere they can’t explain.

    That gas is phosphine – a molecule made up of one phosphorus atom and three hydrogen atoms.

    On Earth, phosphine is associated with life, with microbes living in the guts of animals like penguins, or in oxygen-poor environments such as swamps.

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    That gas is phosphine

    Egg, forgive me if I repost a comment I made over at Jonova’s, but it’s quickest to do so:

    I’d be cautious of this finding.

    Firstly Venus has so much volcanism going on that the whole planetary surface is replaced roughly every half billion years or so, based upon impact crater numbers. That volcanism is overwhelmingly basaltic, ie reducing (in chemistry-speak).

    We know that phosphine is produced in basaltic eruptions, so that is an immediate first-hypothesis. But we also know that acid attack upon reduced phosphorus containing rocks like basalt directly produces phosphine gas. And we also know that the atmosphere of Venus contains lots of sulfuric acid in gaseous form. Venus’ surface is 90% basalt, a lot of which is freshly erupted. So there’s free sulfuric acid in the atmosphere in continual contact with phosphorus-containing fresh basalt on the surface. I would be interested to know if the authors have factored this relatively less well-known source into their calcs.

  197. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Broome sweeping question under a carpet?

    Any particular type of carpet?
    Perhaps one with a very geometrical design?
    Better use them before they go OUT THE DOOR AT NEVER TO BE REPEATED PRICES.

  198. Looks like Netflix might have been hoist by their own petard.

    Netflix loses NINE BILLION DOLLARS….

    Maybe we don’t need to do anything?

    Bearded man from *The Quartering* says Netflix loses 9 bn of revenue from lost subs…

  199. stackja

    Legalise Sedition
    #3586258, posted on September 15, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    All actions are allowed?

  200. Farmer Gez

    Basically then BoN, Venus is one big super phosphate production plant.

    Ringing Elon now to get the ball rolling on a joint venture.

  201. egg_

    Firstly Venus has so much volcanism going on that the whole planetary surface is replaced roughly every half billion years or so, based upon impact crater numbers. That volcanism is overwhelmingly basaltic, ie reducing (in chemistry-speak).

    As suspected.

    Presumably, they speak with Chemists, but publish for interest’s sake anyway?

  202. stackja

    Victor Davis Hanson argues Biden is being ‘held hostage’ by his own party
    The Democrats have made a ‘calculated decision’ to run a virtual campaign, Hanson says
    ….
    Biden campaigns on the idea that America’s troubles, including protest violence, the coronavirus pandemic and the economic recession will all “magically disappear” upon his election, Hanson said.

    “He may be right about that because I think a lot of the agents of that chaos and anarchy are subordinate,” Hanson said.

  203. stackja
    #3586307, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:28 pm
    Legalise Sedition
    #3586258, posted on September 15, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    All actions are allowed?

    Don’t phone it in, someone has to try to draft what you want into legislation.

    I am suggesting it is a very difficult task and the more you flesh it out, the less and less society will agree on its contents.

    Would you ban Toddlers and Tiaras? What else?

  204. stackja

    Hotel quarantine inquiry: Victoria was offered ADF support for scheme, top public servant claims
    Victoria was offered soldiers for its hotel quarantine, an inquiry has heard, in evidence that contradicts Daniel Andrews’ claims.

    Melissa Iaria and Tom Minear, NCA NewsWire
    September 15, 2020 7:12pm

    Victoria’s top public servant was directly offered soldiers for hotel quarantine security, contradicting Daniel Andrews’ claims such help was not available.

    The explosive revelation is contained in a series of emails and Defence Force documents released by the hotel quarantine inquiry on Tuesday.

    The Premier has repeatedly maintained that ADF support was not on offer to provide security in hotels used to isolate returned overseas travellers.

    Victoria instead used private security guards, with health protocol breaches responsible for the state’s deadly second wave of COVID-19.

    The new documents show that on April 8, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet secretary Philip Gaetjens emailed Chris Eccles, the boss of Victoria’s Department of Premier and Cabinet, about “the question of assistance with security”.

    Mr Gaetjens referenced how the ADF assisted with security in New South Wales hotels and said: “I am sure the Commonwealth would be willing to assist Victoria in a similar way if you wanted to reconsider your operating model.”

    Mr Eccles replied that afternoon and said: “Thanks Phil.”

    Mr Andrews has been embroiled in a war of words with the federal government over the past month, having already rejected evidence provided by the Defence Force about their offers of support.

    SOLDIERS SOUGHT AFTER ‘LIST OF ISSUES’ WITH SECURITY GUARDS

    Victoria’s emergency management commissioner Andrew Crisp says he was tasked to seek 850 soldiers for hotel quarantine after being given a “list of issues” involving private security guarding the hotels.

    However, Ms Crisp says he was later directed to rescind the request because other options, including using police and protective services officers, were being explored.

    Mr Crisp told the inquiry the Department of Health and Human Services secretary pointed to a list of issues with private security guarding travellers in quarantine hotels, during a meeting in late June, to justify looking for another workforce.

    “It was about exploring whether ADF at that time could take a role at the hotels,” he said.

    “I asked the deputy secretary how many. I was given the number of 850.”

    Mr Crisp said the request for soldiers was rescinded after a conversation with the department justice secretary, who had been exploring other options with the health department.

  205. stackja

    Legalise Sedition
    #3586312, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    You want open? No laws?

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    My hills hoist is popular!
    The nearest one let me within a metre but the photos came out fuzzy because the autofocus on my ancient camera didn’t like night time.
    Geoff Park has a very fine recent blog post about these critters:
    Night birds (8 Sep)

  207. Boambee John

    Legalise Sedition
    #3586258, posted on September 15, 2020 at 7:41 pm
    Sexualising children isn’t necessarily a crime.

    Should it be?

    Okay, then how do you write the legislation?

    It’s not that long since “progressives” were getting stuck into businesses like Target, K Mart, and Big W over advertising brochures they said were “sexualising” children.

    But that was the eeevilll capitalists, this is, of course, different!

  208. stackja
    #3586315, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:42 pm
    Legalise Sedition
    #3586312, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    You want open?…

    I want you to stop phoning it in with one liners and specify exactly what the legislature should enact.

  209. johanna

    Delta A
    #3586167, posted on September 15, 2020 at 6:15 pm

    The younger people are introduced to paid work the better.

    Dead right, FTB.

    Oh, yeah.

    My sister and I, aged about 10 and nine, got our first jobs in the school holidays on top of the Miranda Fair shopping centre in the 1960s. She was selling fairy floss, and I was leading ponies around for pony rides. I remember I got $10 a week, a princely sum for my 50 hours p.w., but would have done it for nothing because I enjoyed it.

    Of course, it was totally illegal and I suppose do-gooders would say that we were exploited. But both of us learned what being employed was all about (turning up on time, doing it correctly etc) and it kept us busy during the otherwise boring school holidays, plus we earned some money. My parents made discreet checks, I found out later, to make sure we were OK.

    Oh, and I learned quite a bit about pony wrangling, including that Shetland ponies can be very ill-tempered and stubborn, especially the stallions. Small and cute looking does not align to temperament.

    In the US and the UK there was a tradition of kids having paper runs, which no doubt is extinct nowadays. The only way young kids can make money these days is by being ‘influencers’ or something else connected to the internet.

    Kids used to routinely work in family businesses like restaurants or shops or farms. That is also rare these days.

    It’s a pity, because these experiences are immensely valuable in later life. It helps the transition to adulthood, and teaches about how the world works.

  210. MatrixTransform

    or in oxygen-poor environments such as swamps.

    and like Venus

  211. Mother Lode

    As luck would have it, I just watched a small series about Venus on Amazon.

    The theory about life on Venus is that it lives in the cloud layers. It would only be single-felled stuff (maybe a few cells in a colony).

    The idea is that life began on Earth surprisingly early and has shown surprising adaptability as extremophiles. Earth itself has life doing out an existence around thermal vents in the ocean living off bacteria that feeds on the sulphurous jets, so if life began on Venus in its early days when it was far more benign than now then…

  212. dover_beach

    Feel sorry for that cafe/ restaurant owner that is suing the government. Apart from her business bleeding cash, the #IStandwithDan zombie militia is out for blood. FMD, this country has some absolute deadshits in it.

  213. Spartans were cucks, weren’t they?

    At least they were SIMPs.

    Yuuuge blue pill SIMPs.

  214. MatrixTransform

    so yeah, just a recap

    we walked past the Stasi today in the middle of fucking somebody over

    …and pretended it was nothing

  215. Bruce of Newcastle

    Kids used to routinely work in family businesses like restaurants or shops or farms. That is also rare these days.

    With one exception Jo.
    Maccas.
    They are deprogramming kids in large numbers by teaching a real work ethic, customer relations, efficiency and precision. Best training a high schooler can get.

  216. Bruce of Newcastle

    Spartans were cucks, weren’t they?

    No. I’ve read Thucydides.

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Spartans were cucks, weren’t they?

    Alas Dot you are incorrect.
    I’ve read Thucydides.
    They were tough buggers.

  218. dover_beach

    You can be twee all you like DB but I am not the demented left making crap like Cuties.

    If it isn’t grooming then what are you doing about it what or should the government do, without acting ultra vires?

    I’m not sure what you imagine the problem is here, dot. Why must the sexualization of minors merely be criminal when it is aimed at preparing a minor for sexual activity? Why should we not also criminalize the sexualization of minors per se?

  219. Bruce of Newcastle

    Spartans were cucks, weren’t they?

    I’d reply Dot but the spam monster has just eaten two comments which mentioned T h u c y d i d e s.
    I have no idea why it doesn’t like a Greek admiral.

  220. miltonf

    Feel sorry for that cafe/ restaurant owner that is suing the government. Apart from her business bleeding cash, the #IStandwithDan zombie militia is out for blood. FMD, this country has some absolute deadshits in it.

    Sounds like antifa. Yes deadshits for sure.

  221. rickw

    Feel sorry for that cafe/ restaurant owner that is suing the government. Apart from her business bleeding cash, the #IStandwithDan zombie militia is out for blood. FMD, this country has some absolute deadshits in it.

    The problem with Victoria is Victorians.

    Most of them fucking love this shit. Roger me harder Dan, do it!

  222. dover_beach

    I used to love my paper run. Riding my BMX first thing in the dark, early dawn. Competing with other riders to see who could get back first. Only time it wasn’t fun was when it rained.

  223. K2

    Channel 9 news made mention at the end of their report that the restaurant owner that is suing Vic government is a member of the Liberal Party.

  224. cohenite

    egg_
    #3586301, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:21 pm
    Is there life floating in the clouds of Venus?

    It’s an extraordinary possibility – the idea that living organisms are floating in the clouds of Planet Venus.

    More likely Jupiter. Iain M Banks in The Algebraist deals with the possibility of life evolving in the Gas Giants which are fairly common. Jupiter is a He and H with smudges of H2 and ammonia and sulphur in the upper atmosphere. I for one am keen to meet any Jupiterians.

  225. rickw

    Nice, people getting fucking pissed off:

  226. Bruce of Newcastle

    I used to love my paper run.

    I hated it, but I got one cent for each paper I delivered. Money is an extraordinarily powerful motivation when you don’t have any. 😀

    The experience was good. Today I was on treadly for about 15 km knocking off winter lockdown flab. I didn’t deliver any papers though.

  227. Infidel Tiger King

    Your kid may not be able to do a paper run, but the good news is that liberals will allow your kids to work in sexually provocative movies or other “artistic” endeavours.

  228. Infidel Tiger King

    ADF member fined over hotel quarantine breach
    A member of the Australian Defence Force has been hit with a $1000 fine after entertaining a female guest while in mandatory quarantine in Sydney overnight.

    NSW Police said ADF officers were conducting a security check at the hotel on Hickson Road in the CBD around 12.45am on Tuesday when they heard a female voice in the room of the man who had recently returned from overseas deployment.

    Nice to know there is still at least one heterosexual left in the ADF.

  229. dover_beach

    The problem with Victoria is Victorians.

    Most of them fucking love this shit. Roger me harder Dan, do it!

    Yeah nah. The #IStandwithDan zombie militia are partisan morons found Australia-wide. The other half are the trust authority normies that Tucker talked about last night. These people’s trust is being abused by the ALP/ Public Service/ media complex and their COVID porn over the last seven months. I don’t want to sneer at the latter group because they are essential to every well-functioning society. They are law-abiding, community minded, but politically uninterested in between elections. We have to call out the zombies and their leaders and their ham-fisted, tin-eared response to COVID.

  230. dover_beach

    People would also tip you back then for Christmas. I’m taking mid-80s here.

  231. miltonf

    The problem with Victoria is Victorians.

    Most of them fucking love this shit. Roger me harder Dan, do it!

    Another sweeping statement. Have you asked every Victorian? Of course not. Don’t write insulting trash.

  232. The Sheriff

    The “man” who entertained the female guest should say he’s currently in transition and this will immediately halt all adverse publicity and disciplinary proceedings

  233. johanna

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3586329, posted on September 15, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    Kids used to routinely work in family businesses like restaurants or shops or farms. That is also rare these days.

    With one exception Jo.
    Maccas.
    They are deprogramming kids in large numbers by teaching a real work ethic, customer relations, efficiency and precision. Best training a high schooler can get.

    Sort of. In my youth lots of girls had ‘Saturday morning jobs’ in shops to earn a bit of spare cash (not much.) They learned the rudiments of customer service and running a cash register. Not sure what the boys did – if anything.

    But working in the family business was a very strong tradition in migrant families. The Griks, the Italians, and later the Viets (and many others) regarded this as family duty.

    I have mentioned before how Luke Nguyen, now a top restauranteur and TV star, talks about how he worked hard in the family restaurant from the time he was able to do anything useful. He admits that it wasn’t always fun, but has not a scrap of resentment. It made him who he is.

    Was watching a show on SBS Food recently starring a gay Chinese guy from Manchester or somewhere equally unfashionable. He showed photos of him as a five year old in a mini tuxedo in his parents’ Chinese restaurant – toddling around, smiling at the customers, attracting custom and tips. Again, he has no criticism of his parents about that.

    Both of these guys are still close to their parents.

    Putting in some graft for the family brings people closer together.

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