Being stupid is not a barrier to political success

Let me add a bit more on Daniel Andrew’s lack of intelligence. Being stupid does not mean one does not have other attributes that might make for political success. The school bully is seldom the same person who sits on top of the Honour Role.

When I say he is stupid, what I am saying is that he is unlikely to be able to make sense of complicated arguments. You will not be able to reason with him since he has his own agendas, he is too thick, not just to follow what others are saying, but is bored by such things.

We policy types like to sit and discuss ends and means with a specific matrix of theoretical and practical considerations that lead to various conclusions that are embedded in policy proposals some of which are then implemented. Daniel Andrews has never shown the slightest ability or interest in any of that. He’s a brute with his own ideas of what to do, who wants his own way at all times and is determined to get it, however much harm he may do. Most importantly, he is a far-left Marxist without the slightest interest in creating an environment in which the private sector can succeed. And he is as dumb as a box of rocks as well.

Reading the comments from the previous thread brought two things to light of particular interest to me. The first of the comments begins with a quote from the previous thread, in the second there is a comment from another commenter. This was from Rohan:

In fact, Daniel Andrews has botched every single thing he has done. He has not had a single success in anything he has done since becoming premier. Try to find anything he has achieved with all the billions he has gone through. Victoria was already bankrupt even before the virus arrived. Dwell on this from the link.

It wasn’t just his current stint as Premier either. Remember the ER waiting times where people were waiting over 24 hours on gurneys to be admitted as a patient, when he was health minister?

Remember how he told the bureaucrats to fudge the figures so he wouldn’t look bad but the front line ER docs blew the whistle?

Remember how he never addressed the root cause of the problem and it only got better after the LNP won in 2010?

Because he can’t solve problems. But he has rat cunning, is a master in the art of bullying, obfuscation and lying his arse off to cover for his lack of intelligence and practicality and common sense.

He is now running true to form with his proven lies over his dealings with the Commonwealth.

Then there is this from Tim Neilson commenting on the six years it took for Andrews to get through his pass degree at Monash in politics and classics. I was surprised by the classics which does show some intellectual interest but see below:

He is of above average intelligence by today’s standards. He has a BA, majoring in Classics and Politics. Granted, that is not what it used to be, by a long shot, but stupid people don’t earn such degrees, even today. There is real work and intelligence required, even today.

It’s pretty difficult to fail an Arts subject if you hand in assignments and turn up to exams.

The Classics should have more rigour than some pseudo-disciplines. However, Andrews would have had the Classics belted into him at his Catholic school. Then he could go back to square 1 at Uni and get a Classics minor in his pass degree pretty much just off what what the Brothers had strapped into him.

As for a Politics major, if you think pass marks in that required anything much more than “four legs good, two legs bad”, you’re sadly overestimating Australian universities.

Yes, he’s not full illiterate level stupid, but his pass degree in the Arts doesn’t mean that he’s got any real intellectual ability.

He has superficial polish and a determined ruthlessness which work for him. He is also well supported by the many many standard-issue cliches of the left on being kind and caring and the evils of capitalism. I am only pointing out his vast intellectual limitations to help explain the predicament we are in. And how useless it would be to try to talk him out of the kinds of things he is doing that are ruining the State.

I don’t say that intelligence is the be all and end all of political ability or even common sense. Universities are filled with people whose political views are unbelievably idiotic. What I am saying is that Andrews stands out as much stupider than the average and his limitations are having a terrible effect all over the place. He is certainly doing much to ruin the Labor brand in Australia.

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59 Responses to Being stupid is not a barrier to political success

  1. nb

    I guess it depends on how you define stupid. Some of the highest IQ, most academically able people around exhibit this quality:
    ‘You will not be able to reason with him since he has his own agendas’
    I have no idea if Andrews is smart or not, but a willingness to engage with reasoned argument is not an indicator. It seems contradictory, but at best it is a paradox. Really it is a result of the way we elevate and reward certain abilities, overlooking others

  2. Roger

    What I am saying is that Andrews stands out as much stupider than the average and his limitations are having a terrible effect all over the place.

    The fact that Andrews has 62% of Melburnians behind him suggests that he is not stupider than the average person down there, Steve.

    In fact, by attributing his malice to a lack of intelligence you are giving him an excuse.

    It’s like those conservatives who opine that Leftists are mentally ill.

    No…never give a Leftist an excuse.

    They are morally reponsible for the misery they inflict on others with the wretched ideology.

  3. mem

    Because he can’t solve problems. But he has rat cunning, is a master in the art of bullying, obfuscation and lying his arse off to cover for his lack of intelligence and practicality and common sense.

    It is after all the Chinese Year of the Rat.

  4. nb

    Was Alcibiades a genius or a fool?
    Stalin?
    Mao?
    Ephialtes?

  5. Rob

    The terrible failure of the Fourth Estate has gifted us Andrews where he is, doing what he does, and relentlessly destroying the Victoria we once enjoyed.
    Social media, largely populated by anonymous abusive and hate-fueled cowards, is now more pivotal in influencing public opinion than the once respectable and trustworthy Fourth Estate.
    Today’s level of public ignorance is both astounding and appalling.

  6. nb

    Rob, #3586713: ‘The terrible failure of the Fourth Estate’
    Precisely. This is a battle of old media against new media. If old media and those it supports wins in the USA in November then expect complete fiction for the rest of your lives. If new media wins, expect the usual and desirable contest of ideas.

  7. mem

    Roger
    #3586700, posted on September 16, 2020 at 10:13 am

    The fact that Andrews has 62% of Melburnians behind him suggests that he is not stupider than the average person down there, .

    I’m not sure your 62% figure support for him stands up to scrutiny anymore. Indeed the recent Age poll, (the readership is primarily rusted on lefties) showed nearly 70% voting against him. Another poll recorded up to a 14% swing against Labor in 3 key seats.

  8. Mak Siccar

    Related story by Judith Sloan in the Oz today. It is summarised so well by her last paragraph.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/once-it-was-distance-but-a-new-tyranny-has-emerged-in-coronavirus-era/news-story/173654a1dfd96ea36e280d0f34b2b4a2

    (Snip)

    What governments should have requested after the first phase of the pandemic, and when appropriate resources were in place, was analysis from epidemiologists and economists working together to manage the virus at the lowest cost. And note the economic damage wrought is already substantial, long-lasting and uneven in impact.

    Instead of our governments managing the virus relatively well — with the exception of Victoria — at a high economic cost, there was an alternative of managing it at a much lower cost.

    When a politician says experts are in charge or the “science” made them do it, be suspicious. These experts don’t speak with one voice and many are peddling values they hold dear; as true with COVID-19 as it is with climate change. Politicians are elected to govern us all; this requires judgment about the trade-offs that inevitably exist with all policy decisions. The tyranny of experts needs to resisted. They may have a role to play but not in an uncontested way. And when you hear the term “evidence-based policy”, bear in mind it’s generally policy-based evidence.

  9. stevem

    If new media wins, expect the usual and desirable contest of ideas.

    You consider Twitter a desirable contest of ideas?

  10. nb

    By the way, Scott Adams proposes a third way of viewing things – that algorithms already shape us, and will continue to do more to an ever greater extent. Moreover, we (ie everybody) have less and less control over those algorithms, as they continue to shape us, that feeds back into their further creation. This is a powerful argument. Think of an algorithm as a virus that increasingly shapes its host.
    Liken this to the virus that requires of its ground-dwelling ant host that it climbs a tree to a certain height where it will die, depositing the virus in a place maximally useful to the virus.

  11. nb

    Whoops, I will restate that:
    By the way, Scott Adams proposes a third way of viewing things – that algorithms already shape us, and will continue to do so to an ever greater extent. Moreover, we (ie everybody) have less and less control over those algorithms. As they continue to shape us, that feeds back into their further creation. This is a powerful argument. Think of an algorithm as a virus that increasingly shapes its host.
    Liken this to the fungus that requires of its ground-dwelling ant host that it climbs a tree to a certain height where the ant will die, depositing the fungus in a place maximally useful to the fungus.

  12. Aethelred

    I do wonder about these Arts students. They do seem awfully quick to abandon Post-Modernist ideals for SCIENCE

  13. MACK

    Like Marx, Pants-On-Fire Andrews has never worked in a business as an adult and has no idea of worker-employer relationships, especially in smaller businesses. The far left thinks work is constant warfare rather than cooperation. Many people do not want responsibility at work – they just want a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work and no hassles. And the other fundamental defect in socialist thinking is the simple view that making rich people poor will make poor people rich. Because of their severely limited knowledge of the real world, they do not understand any aspect of human psychology.

  14. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Being stupid is not a barrier to political success”

    This piece about Andrews is old news and its not his fault that he is in charge in 2020.

    Victorians have been voting for him for 20 odd years. That includes two terms as Premier. Even after he paid over a billion dollars of the taxpayers’ money to compliant building mega corporations to not build things Victoria voted for Andrews as Premier.

    Work that out!

  15. H B Bear

    I’m curious why we should (or would) value intelligence in leaders. Abbott (and Hawke) were both Rhodes scholars – and I would say only one was a good PM. Waffleworth was lauded for his intellect (admittedly by j’ismists not known for their own) and his fortune based on a single Sydney-centric quasi-insider deal at the height of the Internet bubble (Ozemail, forget HIH which had the potential for criminal prosecution with theGoldman-Sachs chequebook). KRudd, a supposed DFAT high fligher.

    Admittedly, it is probably better than stupidity, but not much of a predictor of success.

  16. H B Bear

    *without the Goldman-Sachs chequebook

  17. H B Bear

    Mick – you’re right. Andrews is just the end of a 20-30 year line.

  18. Damon

    I can’t wait for Andrews to start quoting how many lives he has ‘saved’.

  19. H B Bear

    I can’t wait for Andrews to start quoting how many lives he has ‘saved’.

    There is probably a Latrobe PolSci graduate working on the media release right now.

  20. Seza

    One of the big problems of Andrews is his pig-headedness (not just in looks!) Once he has taken a position, he will not move,change or apologise, as he doesn’t want to look weak. Examples here are ADF help, (Never on offer), Curfew, (Well it was my responsibility, but I don’t know who made the decision) and the stupidity of the unobtainable roadmap only offering more misery, not the hope that was expected.

  21. Grunter

    These quotes sum up our man Dan neatly:

    “It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person” – Bill Murray

    “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain

  22. Delta

    Holy crap! News this morning: Victoria fights for power to detain ‘high-risk’ COVID-19 spreaders.

    And here’s a decent analysis: Dictator Dan plans to put Victorians in camps.

    “Jokes” aside, this is really nasty and Andrews has to be stopped somehow before he unleashes his thugs in police uniforms onto the population to cart them off. (How many ‘enemies” would he have incarcerated?) He’s f’ing insane!

    That’s all I can say and thank Christ I don’t live in Victoria.

  23. HT

    You forgot condescending. F’k that man is condescending! and a piss poor communicator. A rhetorical question? Who waffles the most: Andrews or Turnbull? Yet both are lauded as “great communicators” by their sycophantic followers.

  24. Anonandon

    Random thoughts:

    Judith Sloan – nice explanation.

    I’m not sure DA should be allocating $3B to various sole traders and the like in his recent assistance package announcement. That money should be used to not build three freeways.

    As George Carlin once said, ‘Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.’

    He also said “You never see someone taking a shit while running at full speed”

  25. Ellen of Tasmania

    Can’t remember who said it first, but if you educate a devil, you don’t get an angel, you just get a clever devil.

    This talk goes for about 1/2 hour, but it does explain why we desperately need to have limited, accountable governance. Sinners are going to sin and the more power they have the more damage the sin creates.

    (This talk is also helpful if you have Christian friends/family who give you the whole ‘but Romans 13’ schtick.)

  26. Up The Workers!

    If he was a barrister, Dodgy Dan couldn’t make a cogent argument – let alone a decent paper cup of Maccas synthetic coffee.

  27. MatrixTransform

    They do seem awfully quick to abandon Post-Modernist ideals for SCIENCE

    They’re Enlightened … or Post-Post-Modern

  28. Genghis

    Could someone please ask Danny is the Government assessing the impact that hyrochoroquinine (HCQ) plus antibiotics and zinc would have on the death rate in Victoria., There are now over 80 world wide scientific papers showing the effacacy of these drugs.

  29. stevem

    Could someone please ask Danny

    Why? Every answer he gives to an inconvenient question either avoids the answer or is a blatant lie.

  30. TPL001

    Thanks Ellen. Wilson is a smart cookie. Hayek stated in Road to Serfdom that the squabbling in parliament that most seem to think is so futile, is preferable to civil wars, the other alternative. In other words, other types want to clean up and make ‘efficient’ the parliamentary process. One way to do that is suspend parliament and leave it to the self-enlightened executive.

    The checks and balances constrain the proclivity to socialist ‘efficiency’ that tyrants want. So it is thumbs up for the Westminster system. And contrary to that Romans 13 schtick, which is an imperative to obey the rule of law (which may on here are saying Victorians should do), is Psalm 94:20: ‘Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute?’

    Or Psalm 2: ‘I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.’

  31. Chris M

    So the recalcitrant Victorian protestors and conspirists detained in camps by Mao Tse Dan could be put to economic use for the good of the people. For example they could create green electricity on giant pedal mills or kept busy in the manufacture environmentally green clothing, perhaps even both at the same time. Those unable to work could be harvested for their useful organs which would bring an economic boost to the state.

    Important to note it’s always for the good of the masses, Dan always does best for the people.

  32. vlad

    I’ll say it again: he’s too young to have taken Latin at a second-rate Catholic high school.

    The sort of Catholic school he went to scrapped Latin in the early seventies.

  33. John Devlin

    Whatever the merits of all the arguments there is one indisputable fact:
    Idiots in Government would never survive without a sycophantic unquestioning MSM.
    Remember that when next the MSM bleat about press freedoms and “speaking truth to power”.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One of the big problems of Andrews is his pig-headedness (not just in looks!) Once he has taken a position, he will not move,change or apologise, as he doesn’t want to look weak.

    Yes. Intractable condescension and the earnestness of a very slow thinker. A horrible combination.

  35. Ceres

    Watched a bit of despot Dan conducting his orchestra this morning, with the kiddie sycophants in the main asking dopey questions.
    Here’s one from left field joked one of the reporters and Dan eager to get away from Rachel Baxendale who does ask probing questions, actually answered, that No, daylight saving would be implemented despite a ‘learned’ Prof suggesting not to. They all laughed, it’s so hilarious to see lives, businesses and futures wrecked I had to turn it off.

  36. steve

    “He is certainly doing much to ruin the Labor brand in Australia”

    You would think that there would be some in Labor, somewhere, that would realise what damage he is doing to the Labor brand and do something about it, but then, it is Labor…

  37. H B Bear

    “He is certainly doing much to ruin the Labor brand in Australia”

    On the contrary, Chairman Dan is opening the Overton window on what they can do in power.

  38. Biota

    Steve Kates, your quandary can be resolved, it is not about intelligence. It is about personality, intellectually brilliant people can be utter bastards, even cruel. That is my reading of Andrews, he lacks an empathy gene for starters.

  39. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From H B Bear at 10:58 am:

    “Mick – you’re right. Andrews is just the end of a 20-30 year line.”

    Being right here at Catallaxy is vital for some H.B. Bear, they treasure being more righter than everyone else (it is an odd obsession). I do wish so very much that I was wrong.

    I can recall Melbourne as the seat of corporate power in the country, all the head offices were there – their names were set out on the CBD skyline. Old Melbourne money, you could sniff it in the air.

    The last time Victorians voted for a conservative government was near 40 years ago.

  40. Steve

    Creepy…..

    Hypothetically, could be disabled via mini EMP device…..?

    “no idea why it died…”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/mask-enforcing-humanoid-robots-could-invade-office-spaces

  41. Steve

    Appears to allow maximum length lockdown with sufficient plausable deniability?

    But why would you want to have people locked down for no good reason?

    https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/did-daniel-andrews-cherry-pick-his-modellers-20200914-p55vjz

    “Did Daniel Andrews cherry-pick his modellers?

    “Aaron Patrick Senior correspondent
    “Sep 16, 2020 – 9.43am

    “One of the mysteries behind Victoria’s plan out of one of the most extreme pandemic lockdowns anywhere is: why did the government select a team of highly opinionated non-specialists to advise when normal life would be safe to begin again.

    “The lead researchers who built the model used for Daniel Andrews’…………( rest behind paywall)

    And…( lots more to read in the article…)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8704417/Victorian-Premiers-pathway-success-world-apart-rest-Australias-reality.html

    “What Dan Andrews ISN’T telling you: Premier claims his Roadmap to Recovery is the only way out of Stage Four lockdown – but WAYNE FLOWER finds his plan just doesn’t stack up

    ” Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews backed down on plans to release his people
    ” Doctors and business leaders have united to condemn the premier’s plans
    ” Cities around the globe continue to operate amid COVID outbreaks
    ” More than 500 doctors in Victoria have signed a letter opposing lockdown
    ” The premier’s opponents continue to skyrocket amid calls for urgent change

    “Daily Mail Australia has broken down Victoria’s road to recovery as ordered by Mr Andrews on advice from his Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton, examining what the premier is saying versus the reality of the situation.

    “Mr Andrews says: Victoria will not be ‘COVID-normal’ until Victoria is free of the virus for 28 days.

    “The reality: Other states with active COVID infections, including New South Wales, are already living free in a COVID-normal environment

    “Mr Andrews says: Cannot afford to open non essential’ businesses.

    “The reality: Businesses across Australia can now open and operate under the one-person per four square metre rule.

  42. ArthurB

    Slightly OT (but not all that far off): Edinburgh University has decided to cancel David Hume, because some of his works might offend the woke:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/david-hume-a-notorious-confederate-general-gets-canceled/

  43. vlad

    This short video is a good example of all of the above: doesn’t understand the question, has no understanding of law, no coherent philosophy of the law and very little empathy.

  44. theleftfootkick

    Blesses with oodles of political rat cunning,

  45. John A

    Genghis #3586829, posted on September 16, 2020, at 11:50 am

    Could someone please ask Danny is the Government assessing the impact that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) plus antibiotics and zinc would have on the death rate in Victoria., There are now over 80 worldwide scientific papers showing the efficacy of these drugs.

    He’s already answered that (sorta!) by having it listed as prohibited under the Poisons Act for any use beyond past permitted uses (what the pharmacists call ‘off-label usage’ for new conditions). So it can only be prescribed for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis or malaria.

    Ellen of Tas, thanks for the reminder of how clearly Douglas Wilson presents today’s issues in Biblical terms!

  46. theleftfootkick

    Yes empathy, showed some re his Dad on the news, it is hard to imagine he grew up on a farm near Wangaratta. Some old communist dictator back in history must hold an influence over him, because has some of those traits, take control of the public service, make the State police do your dirty work for total disregard for independent business people etc. Using the covid saga to try and take firearm licences of legal holders another one to the list.

  47. John A

    mem #3586723, posted on September 16, 2020, at 10:32 am

    Roger #3586700, posted on September 16, 2020, at 10:13 am

    The fact that Andrews has 62% of Melburnians behind him suggests that he is not stupider than the average person down there.

    I’m not sure your 62% figure support for him stands up to scrutiny anymore. Indeed the recent Age poll, (the readership is primarily rusted on lefties) showed nearly 70% voting against him. Another poll recorded up to a 14% swing against Labor in 3 key seats.

    During a work break last night I saw a snippet of the infamous Media Watch supposedly exposing how conservative bots were gaming online polls. The examples were two current polls (details forgotten) but demonstrated to have had the results switched to conservative views by bots (huge votes within 1-3 hours).

    The conclusion may be valid but having learned how SJWs and progressives/socialists project their own methods, I am willing to bet that the polls were set up to be gamed by progressives faking conservative votes in order to discredit their opponents and support the lockdown.

  48. John A

    Biota #3586938, posted on September 16, 2020, at 1:16 pm

    Steve Kates, your quandary can be resolved, it is not about intelligence. It is about personality, intellectually brilliant people can be utter bastards, even cruel. That is my reading of Andrews, he lacks an empathy gene for starters.

    The key question is not genetic or intellectual but moral.

  49. theleftfootkick

    It is the power base in the western suburbs, so many seats in the area he is guaranteed all the time. Full of the welfare brigade if not that then it is unionised.

  50. incoherent rambler

    he lacks an empathy gene for starters

    That happens when you have no dick.

  51. stevem

    Now that he has opened up regional Victoria the genius has a brand new, “huge” $4957 fine for the fresh offence of “failure to comply with a requirement to remain in a restricted area”.
    If a couple and an adult child decide to leave the Melbourne gulag zone they’ll cop a $14,871 fine!

  52. egg_

    He has superficial polish and a determined ruthlessness which work for him.

    Classical Sociopath.

  53. egg_

    if you educate a devil, you don’t get an angel, you just get a clever devil.

    Like a Shrink counselling a Sociopath – you just educate them to act more normal to better fool you.

  54. H B Bear

    As I have said before Chairman Dan is showing all the signs of monomania. His entire life has been devoted to climbing the greasy Liar pole and he is being spoken of in the same terms as John Cain, arguably the Liars greatest failure and who nearly bankrupted the State. Everything he does is about salvaging his reputation before he can torn down, as he knows will happen. There is a similar phenomenon in motorcycling, when you about to crash people focus on what they are about to hit and steer straight into it.

  55. Professor Fred Lenin

    Media , the soviets had two major newspapers spewing out lies , like our papers do now.
    They were Pravda which means Truth and Izvestia which means news .
    A populat saying was “there is no news in Izvestia and no Truth in Pravda .
    We have a similar thing in the West these days .

  56. Robbo

    Andrews summed up to a tee but what can be said about the raft of Victorians who think he is doing a good job? Perhaps dumb and dumber.

  57. min

    Well that what I was told when training to deal with personality disorders. Psychologists can only help them with life skills to cope better in social situations . Narcissists do not stay in therapy as they believe they know more than you and narcissistic traits are part of psychopathy , no empathy being one of them.

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