“Police threaten Melbourne residents”… news at 11

THE ABC’s abridged main page teaser version of this report raised both of my eyebrows: “Victoria Police say a new offence will be created…” Since when do police “create” new “offences”? Well, since Cuomo-on-the-Yarra Daniel Andrews began using the nation’s most corrupt constabulary to cover up his government’s homicidally negligent death toll by pretending it was a hitherto free public’s fault all along:

Melbourne residents who try to sneak into regional Victoria to enjoy the relaxing of restrictions in the country have been warned they face fines of almost $5,000…

Victoria Police’s deputy commissioner of regional operations, Rick Nugent, said police would introduce a new offence to deter people from trying to leave Melbourne without a permitted reason…

Deputy Commissioner Nugent said police would particularly focus on drivers who looked like they were going on a holiday.

“We will be checking every vehicle that is towing a caravan, a camper trailer or other trailer, towing a boat or jetski or has surfboards or fishing rods or swags,” he said…

“The people who are found to be found breaching will be issued with a $4,957 fine, that is a huge fine,” Deputy Commissioner Nugent said.

“If there is more than one person, if it is mum and dad, mum and dad both get the fine, so that is close to a $10,000 fine.”

 
Prohibiting not only protests but even public encouragement of opposition to a criminal state has serious and immediate consequences. Like this: a punitively extravagant, parliament-bereft “offence” cooked up in a chat between chest-beating police and ministers – aping each other on. There is no longer the faintest legal, much less constitutional, delineation between Victoria Police and its masters in the Andrews junta.

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167 Responses to “Police threaten Melbourne residents”… news at 11

  1. Makka

    There is no longer the faintest legal, much less constitutional, delineation between Victoria Police and its masters in the Andrews junta.

    Modern Brownshirts. Andrew’s Sturmabteilung.

  2. notafan

    I have to leave Melbourne for a legitimate purpose. DHHS told me to complete a Stat Dec…even though the cho directive does not require me to provide any paperwork.

    Needless to say my car will be empty.

    Just more stress us locked ins needed.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good luck to Victoria Police the next time they are asking for public co-operation in solving a crime….

  4. Tezza

    I no longer have any sympathy for Victorians. They are tolerating this.

  5. Docket62

    The police can’t ‘create an offence’ – all they can do is enforce a statutory offence. If its not on the statutes (and given parliament isn’t sitting) then it isn’t an offence.

    This is piss and wind.

  6. Some History

    “Victoria Police say a new offence will be created…”

    VPol is very good at creating offence.

  7. incoherent rambler

    In the People’s Democratic Republic of Afdanistan,
    rather than having legislation read to the parliament, we now have our latest “laws” announced at media conference, without discussion*.

    * You can discuss and argue only if you are happy to be the recipient of head stomping and strangulation.

  8. Exit Stage Right

    Of course , no-one in their right mind would ever pay such a fine.
    And doubling it for a couple is a nice touch.
    What is the name of this new offence?
    Dan The Bastard just keeps exceeding his previous madness.
    Rise up Victoria, you are better than this.

  9. Makka

    If its not on the statutes (and given parliament isn’t sitting) then it isn’t an offence.

    This is piss and wind.

    Yeah, piss and wind. Challenging it gets you done for resisting arrest or you’re into the lawfare wringer with a target on your back. Ending up social media where your employer gets a good look at you. Good family entertainment in these times. And all for what? The braindead majority of Victorians support this 100%. Fk em.

  10. incoherent rambler

    Rise up Victoria…

    Will do.
    As soon as I get this cop’s boot off my throat.

  11. Damon

    I doubt it’s possible to arbitrarily ‘create’ an offence, and statutory penalties. Where are the human rights lawyers? All busy defending ‘asylum seekers’?

  12. Steve

    Speaking to my cousin, they are utterly appalled at the Brown Pols behaviour.

    Although I do agree – if you tolerate it, you effectively endorse it….

  13. Makka

    Although I do agree – if you tolerate it, you effectively endorse it….

    That’s rubbish.

  14. stevem

    Not only $5,000 fines, but indefinite imprisonment without a trial if they think you kook a bit dodgy.

    The Victorian Government is hoping to push through a new bill that would allow them to detain “high-risk” coronavirus spreaders … including conspiracy theorists or anti-lockdown protesters who refuse to isolate.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victoria-fights-for-power-to-detain-highrisk-covid19-spreaders/news-story/33249f1a2311506b14c071c8399eb4b1

    Who cares about pesky things like human rights or the Constitution.

  15. Carpe Jugulum

    So they now have the mujahedin for Afdanistan.

  16. The BigBlueCat

    With just 997 active COVID-19 cases in a population of approx. 4 million (for Melbourne), this is clear over-reach of powers, both by the government and by VicPol. It’s clearly not about containing the virus (even if you think the actual active cases are 10 times 997) – it’s about population control.

    Time to get serious ….

  17. duncanm

    So if you’re in lockdown with nothing to do anyway, why not go out and get yourself arrested?

    Free food and lodging.

    I suggest motivated sections of the public should clog their local lockups.

  18. Carpe Jugulum

    Kim Il Sung says, damn that escalated quickly.

  19. rickw

    Can have my fine please?

    Thanks, now go and fuck yourself.

  20. HT

    Docket62
    #3587146, posted on September 16, 2020 at 4:28 pm
    The police can’t ‘create an offence’ – all they can do is enforce a statutory offence. If its not on the statutes (and given parliament isn’t sitting) then it isn’t an offence.

    This is piss and wind.

    The State of Disaster declaration allows the Police Minister to create offences, or simply suspend without referral to Parliament any law she finds inconvenient.

    But yeah – its still bullshit, and I sincerely hope to see every one of the gang of eight, plus all the top ranking Stasi and Quasi-Stasi, hanging from the walls of Parliament House Monty Python’esq by their toes. But without the humour >:(

  21. I no longer have any sympathy for Victorians. They are tolerating this.

    Hey numbnut! Tell us exactly what you would do?

    What? You’d be out of your mother’s back room, give up tapping on the keyboard, to go out and give the rozzers a what for, armed with what?

    Every time I read something like this, all that comes to mind is a picture of the ultimate internet warrior.

    You at that ‘stack of shit’ probably send each other texts every day.

  22. cuckoo

    I’ll be sure to catch Michael O’Brien during his allowed 6-second soundbite on the news tonight. No doubt he will have harsh words for this.

  23. Steve

    Makka

    So presumably youre happy to just be done over then without even a whimper? Whats your alternative?
    It just keeps getting worse…..

    I do think though that if Dan passes the mentioned planned legislation you might as well carve off Victoria and ship it to North Korea.

    Im surprised Morrison hasnt sent in the ADF to legally remove Dan though…clear and present danger to freedoms and all.

    I think lock off victoria from all trade, shut down the power inter connectors, stop all air traffice and treat it as a pariah rogue state, which it is effectively.

  24. MACK

    And
    “If you believe someone may be breaching the Chief Health Officer’s directions, please make a report to the Police Assistance Line by calling 📞131 444.”

  25. Roger

    Dan Andrews has flatly rejected calls from Monash Uni medical perfessers to cancel daylight saving.

    It seems everything from car accidents to heart attacks shows a c. +20% spike when the clocks are turned forward. Or is it backwards? Thank God I’m in Queensland.

    Anyway, it seems some experts can be safely ignored by Dan, especially if their advice interferes with his new beaut plans for slow lockdown release. I suspect the man really is a sociopath.

  26. So presumably youre happy to just be done over then without even a whimper?

    And in the same situation, you would do what exactly?

  27. HT

    bemused
    #3587192, posted on September 16, 2020 at 5:24 pm
    I no longer have any sympathy for Victorians. They are tolerating this.

    Hey numbnut! Tell us exactly what you would do?

    I agree. I’m tired of the “stupid Victorians” stuff and the “if it were my state” crap too. Fact is every state in Australia is just few percentage points off living their own nightmare as well. We’re all supposed to be Australians, it really disappoints me to see this parochial attitude prevailing not just in the Premiers, but amongst the populace in general.

    I was discussing travelling to the Flinders Ranges when the borders reopen with Mr’s HT. Her answer? “I don’t think I would feel safe travelling through SA with Victorian plates on the car and van”. Think about that – a mature woman, not a bat shit crazy millennial with no life experience, but a well rounded, and pretty typical Australian woman in her late fifties, is frightened by the prospect of travelling interstate…enough.

  28. Howard Hill

    rickw
    #3587185, posted on September 16, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    Can have my fine please?

    Thanks, now go and fuck yourself.

    You’ll also lose your gun licence, rick. That’s what all the gun owners are afraid of.

    If any push back is to happen, it needs to be coordinated and in great numbers. it’s just not going to happen.

  29. Docket62

    The State of Disaster declaration allows the Police Minister to create offences, or simply suspend without referral to Parliament any law she finds inconvenient.

    The Minister may have that power under the SOD. The Rozzers DO NOT… they can’t arbitrarily just make shit up.

    Yeah, piss and wind. Challenging it gets you done for resisting arrest or you’re into the lawfare wringer with a target on your back.“

    I never said to ‘challenge’ it. But there are ways we can and do fight back:
    1. Stop wearing fucking muzzles for a start – there are any numbers of reasons not to, but too many people dont have any balls. Ive never worn one, and never will – I’m ‘Exempt’ as every single person should be
    2. Breach the 5 kilometre rule regularly using the ‘compassionate care’ reason. Its a catch all and literally cant be questioned.
    3. Whilst you ARE required to state your name and address, you do NOT have to provide anything further such as the address you’re going to, or what the medical reason for your exemption is.
    4. Carry the orders with you, and politely push back if you are stopped.
    5. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES pay a fine. Take it to court – it will be thrown out. The last line of the orders basically says you dont have to comply with anything if you have a reasonable excuse.

  30. Steve

    From the news.com.au

    ““If we go too far too soon, the modelling also tells us we’d be on track for a third wave by mid-November,” Mr Andrews said.”

    You mean these modellers…?

    “Did Daniel Andrews cherry-pick his modellers?

    https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/did-daniel-andrews-cherry-pick-his-modellers-20200914-p55vjz

    “Aaron Patrick Senior correspondent
    “Sep 16, 2020 – 9.43am

    “One of the mysteries behind Victoria’s plan out of one of the most extreme pandemic lockdowns anywhere is: why did the government select a team of highly opinionated non-specialists to advise when normal life would be safe to begin again.

    “The lead researchers who built the model used for Daniel Andrews’…………( rest behind paywall)

  31. Makka

    Whats your alternative?
    It just keeps getting worse…..

    I’m leaving with my family.

    I do think though that if Dan passes the mentioned planned legislation you might as well carve off Victoria and ship it to North Korea.

    Agreed, Vic is irredeemable. Totally.

    Im surprised Morrison hasnt sent in the ADF to legally remove Dan though…clear and present danger to freedoms and all.

    You’re kidding, right. Scummo is an all out coward. He is running scared of Dan. Remember, Dan has a lot of in fact majority support here. Scummo won’t risk his own polls taking on Dan. Even Pony Girl in Qld is keeping Scummo out of state.

    I think lock off victoria from all trade, shut down the power inter connectors, stop all air traffice and treat it as a pariah rogue state, which it is effectively.

    I recommend all like minded people leave this leftist shithole. After that I couldn’t care less what happens here.

    Now Steve, did you get the impression anywhere I condone Dan’s actions? No. Like I said, you posted rubbish.

  32. HT

    Roger
    #3587211, posted on September 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm
    Dan Andrews has flatly rejected calls from Monash Uni medical perfessers to cancel daylight saving.

    It seems everything from car accidents to heart attacks shows a c. +20% spike when the clocks are turned forward. Or is it backwards? Thank God I’m in Queensland.

    “Spring forward. Fall back” Yes, its an Americanism but hey, it works and I have plenty of American friends. They’re mostly like us really, except they have a Second Amendment (which I now envy), live in doll houses, drive on the wrong side of the road and can’t spell.

  33. Docket62

    You’ll also lose your gun licence, rick. That’s what all the gun owners are afraid of.

    Not now. The NSC took them to court and Vicpol backed down and handed guns back to the person they took them off.

    LRD is also out of control

  34. notafan

    Docket that’s pretty much what dhhs told me ‘Re caring.

  35. Docket62

    I’m leaving with my family.

    So Am I Makka……. Im done with these lefty twats

  36. Roger

    “Spring forward. Fall back” Yes, its an Americanism but hey, it works…

    I like it!

    God willing, I’ll never need it.

    🙂

  37. Lee

    I no longer have any sympathy for Victorians. They are tolerating this.

    I presume you are not Victorian, so you’re in no position to judge those of us who never voted for Andrews and his government, nor support his measures.
    What exactly are we, as Victorians, supposed to do, short of a revolution?
    Go out and protest and risk copping arrest and a $1600 fine?
    I am not “tolerating” it, but there is nothing I can do about it, short of voting against Labor again next election.
    Easy to be brave when you don’t live here.

  38. Howard Hill

    I’m leaving with my family.

    To where? The whole of Oz is just as screwed one way or another.

  39. Makka

    Docket62
    #3587216, posted on September 16, 2020 at 5:42 pm

    I haven’t worn a mask in 6 weeks except where the place I’m entering requires. I don’t need to go 5kms for anything so that’s not an issue for me.

    When I am out and about, I have yet to be stopped by the cops. I know what to do if I am.

    All that actually is beside the point IMO. I’m not going to live in this state with it’s thugs in black and fascist left Govt a minute longer than I need to. You don’t comprehend that the vast majority of Vics want this. The place is quite rooted.

  40. Roger

    I’m leaving with my family.

    So Am I Makka……. Im done with these lefty twats

    So is my sil if her husband can wrangle a redundancy, which shouldn’t be too hard as they’ve offered him several in the past.

    Previously rusted on Labor.

  41. Makka

    Just saw your comment Docket. Yep, the place is fkd. They can have it.

  42. I’m tired of the “stupid Victorians” stuff and the “if it were my state” crap too.

    These are very likely intellectual and emotional midgets, still living at home making these comments. But you still need to stick the thick end of a baseball bat up their arse whenever they hit the keyboard. I just wish we didn’t have to read this crap day in, day out, from weak-minded pricks.

    Those living in rural interstate areas outside of Victoria fully appreciate what Victorians have done for them during real disasters, year in, year out. Victorians don’t go about disparaging those who suffer through no fault of their own, or even if there has been some fault by those who are suffering.

    A bit of contact counselling would go a long way towards educating these numbnuts.

  43. Roger

    To where? The whole of Oz is just as screwed one way or another.

    Get out of the east coast state capitals, for starters.

  44. miltonf

    Some people here have outed themselves as spiteful dead shits on this blog.

  45. Makka

    To where? The whole of Oz is just as screwed one way or another.

    Country NSW, WA or Qld. They are NOTHING like this leftard menagerie here. Not yet anyway.

  46. HT

    Docket62
    #3587216, posted on September 16, 2020 at 5:42 pm
    The State of Disaster declaration allows the Police Minister to create offences, or simply suspend without referral to Parliament any law she finds inconvenient.

    The Minister may have that power under the SOD. The Rozzers DO NOT… they can’t arbitrarily just make shit up.

    “I hear you”, “I see you” Docket LOL

    I absolutely agree. Problem is, like so many large government departments, the Minister works for the Department after a month or two. They “Capture” the Minister. Saw it over and over in Defence. Sometimes, the Dept forgets to tell the Minister what they will agreeing to before they announce it.

  47. miltonf

    You don’t comprehend that the vast majority of Vics want this.

    How do you know that?

  48. Roger

    Country NSW, WA or Qld. They are NOTHING like this leftard menagerie here. Not yet anyway.

    +1

    As Australia’s most decentralised state, if you can relocate near a major regional centre in QLD you won’t really miss anything that the big smoke has.

  49. Econocrat

    I also like how none of these purported offences are being prosecuted (i.e. tested in a court). Instead, everyone is being bailed until 2021!

  50. Roger

    I also like how none of these purported offences are being prosecuted (i.e. tested in a court). Instead, everyone is being bailed until 2021!

    Ordinarily that would offer some promise, but we have the Victorian magistracy/judiciary in view here.

  51. Kneel

    “Can have my fine please?”

    Oh, I dunno – how about “jawohl, mien herr! My papers are in ordnung.”
    Follow up with “hiel Dan” and a stiff armed salute.

    Personally, I’d tear the thing up as soon as it was handed to me as well and advise that it will be going to court should they be so stupid as to continue with it and the officer will be required to attend. There will be as many adjournments as I can arrange too, so not just one day.
    “Is that a bacon sandwich I can smell?” as you drive off.

  52. Some History

    “Ring of Steel”

    $4,957 fine

    More like “Ring of Steal”

  53. notafan

    Those pronouncing they know what Victorians want are as one with #IStandWithDanAndrews morons tweeting 70%

  54. Makka

    How do you know that?

    I’m going off the last election and anecdotal input from people and families around me in Vic.I’m assuming it but very comfortable in my belief. If there is any other data reliable I’ll look at it. Most people here support Dan.

  55. Makka

    Those pronouncing they know what Victorians want are as one with #IStandWithDanAndrews morons tweeting 70%

    Nah. The morons are those thinking there is sufficient IQ in Vic to get the votes to get rid of this Govt.

  56. HT

    Roger
    #3587256, posted on September 16, 2020 at 6:05 pm
    Country NSW, WA or Qld. They are NOTHING like this leftard menagerie here. Not yet anyway.

    +1

    As Australia’s most decentralised state, if you can relocate near a major regional centre in QLD you won’t really miss anything that the big smoke has.

    Notwithstanding the current clusterfuck that is all Australia in general at the moment, living in regional Victoria is much better than people think. I was in the Army, I (literally) lived in every state bar Tassie. I don’t like capital cities, any of them irrespective of what state its in, but regional Victoria is as good as any other place in Australia to live. It would be better if could use DA to fertilise the ground, but anybody that thinks Palashit or Marshall or Gutwin or Gunner or whomever would not also have bought out their inner Kim Jong-un had they faced a second wave, of their own creation or not, isn’t paying attention.

    And if they think Queenslanders, or South Australians etc would rise up in a way Victorians have not, is delusional.

  57. Roger

    Notwithstanding the current clusterfuck that is all Australia in general at the moment, living in regional Victoria is much better than people think.

    No doubt; I have a great appreciation for the attractions of rural Victoria, having been visiting it since the 1970s, but the major regional centres seem to have become outposts of the urban bugmen. I might be wrong.

  58. miltonf

    Anyway, in defense of people were foolish enough to vote for the dicktator, they didn’t know that they were going to get a putsch. Agree that they are some totally moronic kool-aide drinkers out there as well as hardcore marxist wreckers.

    Makes spending $1000 000 000 not to build a road seem mild.

    Roy Morgan polling is bullshit. Maybe the ones saying the dicktator would lose are too but I hope not.
    I’ve worked with guys who told me how great Bolte was after all those years.

  59. Franx

    The ‘offence’ of visiting regional Victoria – a new offence decreed as ‘law’ at an unwatched press conference?

    What are the principles of due process whereby:
    a. an ‘offence’ become codified into law?
    b. a law is promulgated?

    Press conferences have become the invisible head stomping.

    It’s becoming inhuman to not cry out.

  60. miltonf

    Nah. The morons are those thinking there is sufficient IQ in Vic to get the votes to get rid of this Govt.

    You seem a very unhappy person.

  61. Makka

    Notwithstanding the current clusterfuck that is all Australia in general at the moment, living in regional Victoria is much better than people think.

    HT, that was my plan. Country Victoria is absolutely beautiful in spots. I like the climate and the geography.

    But not now. Leftism is in plague proportions here and it’s headed into thuggish Govt control and threats of imprisonment.

  62. mh

    The Age

    Elective surgery to restart as 60,000 Victorians wait for operations
    Premier announced that if road map targets are hit in Melbourne, surgery capacity will move to 75 per cent on September 28 and scale up to 85 per cent in late October. Victoria has recorded 42 new coronavirus cases and eight more deaths.

    How many Victorians are dying while they wait for operations?

  63. Makka

    You seem a very unhappy person.

    I’m sure not happy living in Vic with all these dobbing leftards around, voting in grubs like Andrews. For near 30 years I’ve lived in Russia, ME , Africa and Asia. I think I have a fair idea of what out of control oppressive Govt look like.

  64. North of the Murray River, you can’t even have a bonfire in rural NSW, where no one has COVID.

    Just bizzare, whacky stuff.

    Don’t know how it stops anyone getting a mild cold that kills an insignificant number of patients, but we’re all in this together.

    Authoritarianism keeps us free.

    Or something.

  65. nb

    Police/government: ‘This is a Marxist police state. Anyone seen having fun will be fined enough to make it impossible to pay, so they will be cast into the gulag. Suck on that, voters!’
    Voters: ‘Please sir, more.’

  66. Howard Hill

    But not now. Leftism is in plague proportions here

    Hahaha. Makka.
    Yesterday you vilified me for saying the same thing 🙂

  67. areff

    why not go out and get yourself arrested?

    This is Victoria. Own a gun, get arrested, they’ll yank your licence.

    Get arrested and have kids? Expect a state appraisal of your fitness to raise them.

    In a corrupt state, the levers to oblige compliance are many and varied.

  68. Bronson

    How to be an Rsole by Captain Cornflakes.

  69. HT

    Makka

    #3587297, posted on September 16, 2020 at 6:32 pm
    Notwithstanding the current clusterfuck that is all Australia in general at the moment, living in regional Victoria is much better than people think.

    HT, that was my plan. Country Victoria is absolutely beautiful in spots. I like the climate and the geography.

    But not now. Leftism is in plague proportions here and it’s headed into thuggish Govt control and threats of imprisonment.

    I almost built in the Riverina – very much like rural Victoria . But she, NSW is soooooo expensive. Not so much the house (but they were!), but the daily costs of living. For example, Car Rego was triple what I pay in Victoria and the caravan was almost 1000% more expensive! And the list rolled on. Free advice from someone that seriously considered moving interstate, check the costs of living before you move 🙂 Victoria is cheap, and DA will die soon enough…

    But in the end, I have four very personable, miniature people in regional Victoria that call me Pop. Ultimately I couldn’t leave them behind irrespective of the $$. And therein lies the truth. For most people, where they live is called “home” for a reason. The DA’s of the world will come and go, but home is where the heart is, it’s important to remember that. Some people have even died defending that intangible, as much as that may befuddle the economists on this site…

  70. areff

    How many Victorians are dying while they wait for operations?

    I’m not close to death, at least as far as an actuary would rate it, but I do have a rooted ankle that needs a touch of the scalpel. Will have to endure the discomfort until Premier Putz grants permission to end it.

  71. Arise my fellow Viktoruins for your new new new new national anthem.

    Master of Puppets, Metallica, 1985

    (Please note your other new national anthems)

    Shiny Happy People
    Operation Mindcrime
    Stripsearch

  72. miltonf

    In a corrupt state, the levers to oblige compliance are many and varied.

    Yep they make Carr and Keneally seem like models of propriety.

  73. nb

    The Chinese have worked out that racism in Australia hasn’t quite got the legs it has in the USA to divide society. The federal structure, however…
    China ALP. Helping to destroy your world.

  74. Roger

    How many Victorians are dying while they wait for operations?

    Only a RC will be able to extract and publicise that data.

  75. miltonf

    The Chinese have worked out that racism in Australia hasn’t quite got the legs it has in the USA to divide society. The federal structure, however…
    China ALP. Helping to destroy your world.

    Interesting point.

  76. wozzup

    Melbourne residents who try to sneak into regional Victoria to enjoy the relaxing of restrictions in the country have been warned they face fines of almost $5,000…

    As far as I am concerned anyone caught sneaking into any state ruled by Red Dan deserves a big fat fine. As if to underline their obdurate stupidity if for no other reason. It’s rather like a prisoner breaking into jail. In fact I think anyone who gets a $5000 fine has gotten off lightly.

  77. HT

    areff
    #3587316, posted on September 16, 2020 at 6:48 pm
    How many Victorians are dying while they wait for operations?

    I’m not close to death, at least as far as an actuary would rate it, but I do have a rooted ankle that needs a touch of the scalpel. Will have to endure the discomfort until Premier Putz grants permission to end it.

    Yeah. Mrs HT needs a shiny new hip, the pain is increasingly dominating her life and has done so for six months now. We have private health insurance but it’s been useless. I am half expecting Danny Boy to “direct” private hospitals to work off the Public waiting lists before opening private hospitals back up for private patients again, just like he did last time around >:(

    I have noted recently how much I r e a l l y dislike DA?

  78. nb

    Damon,#3587160: ‘Where are the human rights lawyers?’
    They’re all busy downloading the Soviet constitution, with its bevy of rights protections, to include in the new Stasi manifesto.
    Not a peep out of our hero, Julian Burnside, the great green protector of humankind.

  79. Makka

    Hahaha. Makka.
    Yesterday you vilified me for saying the same thing </blockquote

    I'd like to see that quote for the correct context. I don't believe I've ever denied the dominant leftism here but I sure have challenged anyone stating that ALL Victorians deserve what we are copping because of it. Was that you Howard?

  80. Cops are already combining legislation like it’s an escalation of privileges hack.
     
    Offences in the Health and Wellbeing Act are being prosecuted as if they were offences in the Crimes Act 1958. For example, the Crimes Act gives police authority to ask for ID on suspicion you committed an offence listed in that act. However, police think they can ask for ID on suspicion you committed an offence in the Health and Wellbeing act. It doesn’t given them those powers for its listed offences, which are ‘unlawful but not criminal’.
     
    Seems to me like police are breaking the law when they ask for ID or they arrest someone on suspicion of breaking a health directive. Or inciting to break one, for that matter. This is such a pedestrian point, yet hundreds of people have been arrested by now, so is a plain reading of the law is missing something?

  81. Makka

    The DA’s of the world will come and go, but home is where the heart is, it’s important to remember that.

    I hear you. It’s really not Dan that has me so concerned although his Govt is surely bad enough. But the readiness of so may Victorians to vote Labor in and support this despot. The wherewithall for change just doesn’t seem to be here. Moving interstate is indeed a big decision considering the grandies. I’m not there yet.

  82. Geoff Cruickshank

    Speaking to police, vic
    https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/police-powers-and-your-rights/speaking-to-police

    Note under being asked to move on
    “Police cannot direct you to move on if you are demonstrating about a political issue or taking part in employment strike action”

  83. nb

    Martin, #3587349: ‘Seems to me like police are breaking the law’
    I’d be surprised if a well structured legal challenge would not cure many of the ills the ALP have wrought upon Victorians.
    As a matter of interest Lew Rockwell reports of a challenge in the USA, of course under quite different constitutional conditions. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure a higher Australian court would be quite keen to draw some boundaries around the (mis)use of powers in Victoria at the moment. As Rockwell points out, just gaining discovery is a reward in itself.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/jon-rappoport/the-grand-ohio-legal-case-for-our-time-against-kings-on-their-thrones/

  84. mem

    Daniel Andrews is unhinged but has enormous power via the police force, bureaucracy and no accountability through parliament. Every day he goes one step further to instigate even more control. The man is a right on badtard and needs to be put in a straight jacket. Where are the ADF when we need them as he has done more damage than any terrorist.

  85. Knuckle Dragger

    Be interested to see what exactly this new beast is and under what Act it falls. The Public Elf Act which creates the directives is owned by the Dept of Health. The jacks, or Minister for Jacks can’t change that.

    I don’t know what the State of Disaster ramifications are, but I DO know the now-Deputy Commish used to be a very willing fellow back in the day.

    Lots of skeletons. Lots.

  86. miltonf

    Really disgusts me people on this blog slagging off about Victorians when people in this state has been putting themselves at considerable personal risk to stand up for liberty.

  87. Chris M

    I don’t think I would feel safe travelling through SA with Victorian plates

    That’s a bit grim, sorry to hear it HT. I understand some may suspect you of being a Vikcop, if you are not you should be welcome anywhere. Winter followed by Spring would be best for the Flinders, I’d avoid Summer.

    I feel very sorry for the Viktoria people. It seems very divided there, some worship the Dan idol whilst others are sticking pins in it. A bit like the USA I guess, but with the freedoms of North Korea.

  88. mh

    miltonf
    #3587383, posted on September 16, 2020 at 7:45 pm
    Really disgusts me people on this blog slagging off about Victorians when people in this state has been putting themselves at considerable personal risk to stand up for liberty.

    At least the Victorian freedom fighters do get a lot of support on here.
    And the criticism of Victorians also comes from many Victorians.
    It’s going to go with the territory when you are the reddest state.
    However, we should all know who the real enemy is. Red Dan.

  89. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Not a peep out of our hero, Julian Burnside, the great green protector of humankind.

    Err, not quite – Sideburn recently defended the use of drones and CCTV to spy on people in Disasterstan to detect if they were breaching schlockdown diktats.

    Until he was told by his confreres in Liberty Disasterstan to pull his fat head in, leading to a rather embarrassing “volte face”.

  90. Colonel Crispin Berka

    it was a hitherto free public’s fault all along:

    We’re going to have to talk about the difference between distal cause versus proximal cause, and blame versus causation.

    The stupid part about the social concept of responsibility is that people will blame you for things you did not cause. If you’re expected to stop an outcome from happening, and an external process makes that outcome happen, you get blamed for an event you did not cause.
    On top of that, there is the proximal cause of the deaths, which is a set of contributing co-morbidities where one of them is SARS-CoV-2, then there are the distal causes, which starts with a government bioweapons lab in China letting their experiment loose by mistake last November, plus every other step in between which are all distal causes of varying degree.

    Does that muddy the waters? Yes. And now you have correctly understood the messy reality.
    There is a chain of infection in which each individual member of the public contributed to the deaths at the end of that chain. That doesn’t go away just because you’d like to blame the Labour Party Premier of Victoria for his Draconian overcompensation efforts. Surely the woman in quarantine who just couldn’t keep dick out of her pants is a member of the public who is at fault for spreading the virus? Or does physical causation count for absolutely nothing in your blame calculus?

  91. Fat Tony

    “The standard you walk by is the standard you accept” – we are not hearing any condemnation from Scummo or any of the other Premiers. They are all probably getting boners (or moist) watching what’s happening in Victoria. It will most likely be the future for all of us.

    Leftism is evil, not a “mental illness”

    And finally, the MSM is our enemy (not dickhead politicians or bureaucrats)

  92. miltonf

    And the criticism of Victorians also comes from many Victorians.

    I know and they make sweeping statements and ignore people who are pushing back.

  93. HT

    Makka

    #3587351, posted on September 16, 2020 at 7:16 pm
    The DA’s of the world will come and go, but home is where the heart is, it’s important to remember that.

    I hear you. It’s really not Dan that has me so concerned although his Govt is surely bad enough. But the readiness of so may Victorians to vote Labor in and support this despot. The wherewithall for change just doesn’t seem to be here. Moving interstate is indeed a big decision considering the grandies. I’m not there yet.

    My existing home is an oasis neat the centre of a large regional city. A very old, beautiful Victorian home with high fences and wonderful, large gardens, high ceilings, stained glass windows etc etc. The fact it’s near the CBD, is irrelevant, we keep the gates locked and we live a private life. The new house is on a semi-bush block, a very private location and most importantly, we will continue to be private people. Realistically, the current shitshow aside, it’s irrelevant if outside our gate is Victoria or Queensland or wherever, we make our own way and are happy with our lot. The truth is, the leftards that surround us, the Victorian government itself, really doesn’t have that much of an impact on our life unless we choose to let it (current shitshow aside, but it will pass). I am retired and financially comfortable, it’s true. But it’s also true people people in this crises are allowing others a disproportionate bearing on their own wellbeing.

    How does it go? Don’t give strangers the permission to determine your well being, health and outlook? Live your best life, or something like that 🙂 Take a long term view, if leaving the state feels right, do it. Just don’t do it based on impulse or short-term issues (and six months is short term).

  94. miltonf

    we are not hearing any condemnation from Scummo or any of the other Premiers. They are all probably getting boners (or moist) watching what’s happening in Victoria. It will most likely be the future for all of us.

    Afraid so. The politco-media class is the enemy. Fraudenburg gave the game away when he called DJT a ‘dropkick’. So did Howard.

  95. miltonf

    Morrison really is a squish.

  96. mh

    It would be good to have some regular posts on the latest developments involving Red Dan’s rolling disaster. Seeing as most of the Oz media is paywalled it’s hard to keep up

    LIVE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS
    ‘Sidelined’ Sutton warned of hotel quarantine risks
    As an explosive email reveals health chiefs demanded ‘urgent’ review of quaratine scheme, Victoria’s CHO says he wasn’t consulted on the use of private security guards for it.

  97. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    They are all probably getting boners (or moist) watching what’s happening in Victoria

    I’ve been saying this for months. Beryl G and Health Hazzard are salivating at the prospect of implementing a Disasterstan style schlockdown here in NSW.

    They’re just waiting for the slightest excuse, such as a sudden bullshit increase in cases, or new alleged “hotspots”, which would be no doubt due to their staggering incompetence (again).

  98. Makka

    It would be good to have some regular posts on the latest developments involving Red Dan’s rolling disaster.

    And people complained about Oldozzie.

  99. miltonf

    So much of this assault on liberty in Australia by the states seems to be copied from the blue US states. Almost like they are getting guidance from Albany, Sacramento and Lansing. Seems too much of a coincidence.

  100. mh

    And people complained about Oldozzie.

    Only his formatting.

  101. Steve

    Makka,

    Yeah my uncle and his family fled Hungary when it was communist, so apparently I speak rubbish coz I know bugger all about how this stuff goes.

    I stand by what I said…if you dont speak up, youre effectively endorsing it.

    But I sincerely hope you get out of Communist Victoriastan, because communists have a particular type of Godless cruelty that makes other forms of politcal rule look tame. I know of a South African missionary ( ex-South African army ) who was captured and tortured by communist rebels in Malawi. A very unique insight he had, should scare anyone who heard his stroies. If Dan isnt legally removed, Victoria will destroy the rest of Australia, but I think that is the plan.

    I never thought we’d ever wind up with Little Beijing inside Australia, but having said that I was warning people for a good 2 years about Dan and his communist core, no one listened of course, and now we see the reality biting people in the rear end.

    Having travelled a lot myself and having family who have lived in a communist failed state, it gives you a certain inside perspective that many dont have.

    Covid has been nothing but a trojan horse for taking down democracy.

    This project has financers and organizers – what needs ot happen is exposing the organizers and money men behind it. The alleged police brutality is a side show to keep people from seeing what Dan is upto elsewhere, now we have a plan to make “conspiracy theories”( i.e. anything that goes agaisnt Dans agenda ) effectively a thought crime for daring to exercise feee speech.

  102. iamok

    @tezza we are not fucking tolerating this

  103. I’ve been saying this for months. Beryl G and Health Hazzard are salivating at the prospect of implementing a Disasterstan style schlockdown here in NSW.

    These knuckleheads are asking for serious trouble.

    Outside of the city, there is virtually no corona virus.

    Its going to see people just ignoring the law and having even less respect for the cops in regional areas.

    Why can’t you have a bonfire somewhere right now on a farm?

    The idea that people are going to get Corona virus at a good old fashioned farm piss up is simply fucked in the head.

    Like I said before, I have civic virtue but I won’t waste it on Australia anymore.

  104. HT

    Spurgeon Monkfish III
    #3587432, posted on September 16, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    They’re just waiting for the slightest excuse, such as a sudden bullshit increase in cases, or new alleged “hotspots”, which would be no doubt due to their staggering incompetence (again).

    Remember, the government alone knows and can exercise control over the numbers. Thats Dan’s way out (if he chooses to use it). Or Palashits way in, if she wants to ramp up the fear campaign.

    Anyone here believe, for a second, that yesterday in Victoria there no recorded deaths in Victoria to spoil Dan’s good news story about eased restrictions in Regional Victoria? Anyone???

    And who else can know the (Victorian) rolling averages? Only a very select few inside government, and they can, and will make those numbers read whatever the hell they want them to read. Same same with every state government in Australia, they will read whatever they want them to, and nobody will ever know the truth inside the period established to release Cabinet Papers (do state government even have that law?).

  105. iamok

    miltonf thankyou. I do not appreciate posts about Victorians voting for Dan and this and that and you reap what you sow. I did not vote for this prick and his rabble, nor did MILLIONS of others. Fuck you other pretenders if you think I and the other millions are responsible for this shit. Try some constructive strategy please, before this ratfucker takes us/you all down with him.

  106. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    And right on cue, there’s an NSW coalition Minister on Hi-Alan Jones’ defending the ongoing restrictions.

    F*ckwits.

  107. Steve

    HT

    Dan wont release his core “hostages”which are the urban people. He doenst care about regional areas as there are relatively few people. He is concentrating on maximizing the impact where the majority of people can be monstered.

    The Politburo appear to have withheld core information about coran deaths, and you would have zero idea if you were being told the truth. I suspect like the bulk of the corona psyop that its all been manufactured and very carefully stage managed. One of the key giveaways its an Elite psyop is the 24×7 unrelenting saturating media coverage, exactly the same as 9 11. They show you the case numbers, but never exppain that the percentage of hospitalizations ( about 6% ) and deaths ( about 2% ) never moved much regardless of the numbers of cases.

    Then the CDC issued the death blow to the whole scam by providing the scientific info that said that 94% of people who died “from covid”actually had on average 2 pre-existing health conditions that were the actual cause of death, not covid itself.

    This fact along is the immediate reaosn why the covid lockdown needs to end immediately – its a pussy of a virus, not much worse than a bad flu. If you analyze Victorias “covid deaths”from 30th August of 524, when you take 6% of 524 the actual death from covid is 32. In 2019 in Victoria there were 334 flu deaths.

    The CDC reporet is listed below. Exposing the covid “leathality lie” removes Dans power over the population immediately . The whole lockdown is predicated on the virus being “dangerous”.

    https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

    Actual report:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

  108. HT

    Chris M

    #3587391, posted on September 16, 2020 at 7:51 pm
    I don’t think I would feel safe travelling through SA with Victorian plates

    That’s a bit grim, sorry to hear it HT. I understand some may suspect you of being a Vikcop, if you are not you should be welcome anywhere. Winter followed by Spring would be best for the Flinders, I’d avoid Summer.

    I feel very sorry for the Viktoria people. It seems very divided there, some worship the Dan idol whilst others are sticking pins in it. A bit like the USA I guess, but with the freedoms of North Korea.

    Thx Chris. Mrs has friends that are long term Grey Nomads, they have been traveling for about a year now. She’s been getting plenty of stories of their being harassed on the road since the pandemic ramped up, for no other apparent reason that they are Victorian. I don’t know if their gilding the lily, I wasn’t there. But I know from experience there are states with a particulary parochial attitude that extends well beyond the football field.

    This pandemic is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

  109. Makka

    Yeah my uncle and his family fled Hungary when it was communist, so apparently I speak rubbish coz I know bugger all about how this stuff goes.

    You keep missing the point Steve. Dan and Labor have an emphatic majority here and he enjoy a lot of support. Which I daresay was not the case in Hungary.

    I stand by what I said…if you dont speak up, youre effectively endorsing it.

    That’s idiocy and not worth responding to.

  110. Professor Fred Lenin

    A lot of people polled like to keep their real intentions secret it stops the communist fascist globalistsfromattacking you asan anti globalist deviationist . Usually the communusts are shocked when the real results come out ,like they were when Hilarity and Shorten were defeated contrary to all the polling . Its like modelling ,if you feed crap in dont be expect gold to come out .

  111. Hay Stockard

    If Victorians learnt rugby instead of that non-heterosexual arial ping pong game they would have the skills and motivation to deal with the tyrants.

  112. Howard Hill

    miltonf
    #3587442, posted on September 16, 2020 at 8:26 pm

    So much of this assault on liberty in Australia by the states seems to be copied from the blue US states. Almost like they are getting guidance from Albany, Sacramento and Lansing. Seems too much of a coincidence.

    I think it was mentioned before that all of this is about Trump and taking down the capitalist system, miltonf.

    I do honestly believe that this a push to usher in a new world order and that Trump introduced a huge spanner into their works.

    Victoria under DickTasterDan is a staging ground.

  113. Bruce in WA

    This pandemic is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

    May I suggest it is actually the various governments’ response to the pandemic that is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    May I suggest it is actually the various governments’ response to the pandemic that is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

    Pay that one.

  115. miltonf

    You keep missing the point Steve. Dan and Labor have an emphatic majority here and he enjoy a lot of support.

    and you just bellyache about it

  116. miltonf

    Nah. The morons are those thinking there is sufficient IQ in Vic to get the votes to get rid of this Govt.

    That’s just bloody rude

  117. Perfidious Albino

    So the jacks sprung a trap on a male and female in a car at my local servo yesterday apparently (I didn’t witness it personally). A mob of plain clothes officers play acting normal punters around the pumps and in the shop, with heavily armed uniforms (long arms) hiding in the back office. No mention at all in the media that I have seen. This is in a leafy inner eastern suburb of Melbourne. Highly unusual.

  118. HT

    Bruce in WA
    #3587514, posted on September 16, 2020 at 9:24 pm
    This pandemic is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

    May I suggest it is actually the various governments’ response to the pandemic that is ripping apart the very fabric of Australia.

    That’s what I thought I said, but your grammar is better 🙂

  119. miltonf

    Try some constructive strategy please, before this ratfucker takes us/you all down with him.

    exactly

  120. HT

    Perfidious Albino
    #3587524, posted on September 16, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    So the jacks sprung a trap on a male and female in a car at my local servo yesterday apparently (I didn’t witness it personally). A mob of plain clothes officers play acting normal punters around the pumps and in the shop, with heavily armed uniforms (long arms) hiding in the back office. No mention at all in the media that I have seen. This is in a leafy inner eastern suburb of Melbourne. Highly unusual.

    Obviously the perps advertised on FB that we’re not going to wear masks when refuelling, so the VicStasi made sure enough resources were available to manage that particular thought crime. And the long arms? Simples… no more pussy footing around with mere pistols to shoot out a window! With a decent rifle, one could take out a car window at 400m and nobody would know where/who the shot cometh! No more messy questions to answer.

  121. Robber Baron

    Deny Despot Dan…do not get tested!

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    Martin, upthread:

    ‘For example, the Crimes Act gives police authority to ask for ID on suspicion you committed an offence listed in that act.’

    Yeah nah. It’s any offence, anywhere. S456AA:

    ‘(1) A police officer or a protective services officer on duty at a designated place may request a person to state his or her name and address if the police officer or the protective services officer believes on reasonable grounds that the person—

    (a) has committed or is about to commit an offence, whether indictable or summary; or

    (b) may be able to assist in the investigation of an indictable offence which has been committed or is suspected of having been committed.’

    ‘an offence’, not ‘an offence under this Act’. Not saying it’s a-okay, just saying that’s what it is.

  123. Suburban Boy

    At the risk of pouring a thimbleful of fact and reason into an ocean of speculation and paranoia:

    1. VicPol cannot create offences. Nugent’s quote (if correct) is a very sloppy way of describing what has just happened with the new offence.

    2. The new offence was created today (16 September) not by VicPol but by the Governor in Council (the Governor of Victoria acting on the formal advice of the Ministers). The Minister for Health, Jenny Mikakos, is named as the responsible minister (!) in the regulation.

    3, The regulation creating the offence is the Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (Further Infringements) Regulations 2020, under power conferred by section 232 of the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008.

    4. The name of the new offence is, “An offence against section 203(1) of the Act constituted by a contravention of directions given under section 200(1) of the Act by refusing or failing to comply with a requirement in relation to leaving a restricted area in Victoria without a reasonable excuse or other valid reason or excuse”.

    5. As has been widely reported, the penalty prescribed for the offence is stated to be 30 penalty units, equivalent to $4,956.60.

  124. Damon

    Opera Australia cries poor, because of a virus that selectively kills it patrons?

  125. Makka

    That’s just bloody rude

    It was in response to a rude comment inferring idiocy on anyone not having a view that Labor can be moved on in Vic.

    milt, what planet are you living on? Are you seriously trying to posit that Vic isn’t heavily leftist? Have a look around you. Where’s your constructive strategy then to convert Vic’s socialist faithful to the point that Labor can be booted. Frankly, I don’t see that being possible across the next 2 election cycles. Hopefully I’m wrong but I’ll not chance it.

  126. Mark A

    HT
    #3587541, posted on September 16, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    And the long arms? Simples… no more pussy footing around with mere pistols to shoot out a window!

    The buying of what, 700 of those made me really think.
    15, 20,even 50 for special operations, no problem.

    But several hundred?
    I thought we already had an army.

    No need for conspiracy theory, it’s playing out in real life.

  127. Ah well.

    Thank god Mikakos is in charge of the well-being of millions of Victorians.

    I am sure they all feel better for it.

  128. Rohan

    We’re all supposed to be Australians, it really disappoints me to see this parochial attitude prevailing not just in the Premiers, but amongst the populace in general.

    This is by design.

    Much easier to conquer and subjugate a divided people.

    “We’re all in this together” is a clever psy-ops distraction campaign.

    And many comments on this thread proves the operation is a complete success.

    If you think that abandoning a state and the citizens within, because defeating the Maoist power grab of Andrews is all too hard, because you who live in NSW or QLD, or SA, or WA or TAS will face the exact same thing in the not too distant future. Then what? Your numbers are diminished and you’re still bickering amongst yourselves.

    After all, there’s far too many ChiCom sympathisers/infiltrators in the private sector and ALP in those states too. If that’s your attitude, then this country is lost. Moving to NSW or QLD or demanding VIC being cut adrift from the Commonwealth won’t insulate you from the inevitable. It’ll just buy you a small amount of time.

  129. Zah noze .. look’s red …. Have you been viping zah nose , Comrade ………. Your paper’s ………. Please !

  130. Mustapha Bunn

    Dan or Liebor will get in at the next election,why ? Here’s a clue. The suburb of Melbourne that I first moved to in 1981 had a population of 30,000 plus.It is now 230,000 plus with most recent arrivals being from places with camels and coconuts. The ladies have jumbo mobile phones and drive SUVs. I don’t know where the money comes from but not all of their husbands can be doctors or engineers or even I T specialists.

  131. Makka

    Rohan
    #3587587, posted on September 16, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    Let’s have your plan then Rohan. How to save Vic from itself?

  132. Fair Shake

    I remember way back before I had this beard when there was a vik gov campaign to visit regional Victoria.
    Oh wait …that was March.

  133. Fair Shake

    We are all in this together. …well Melbourne anyway. What we need is another campaign to get behind our Supreme Leader by exABC celebrities, you know John Faine, Waleed Ali, Magna Z, et all.
    The messaging needs to be warm, reassuring, simple, instructive, pointed, condescending, reminding us of our racism, privilege. All backed up by a whacking great fine that will financially ruin anyone in its path.
    That should bring us all together.

  134. Fair Shake

    Dandrews accountability Harvey Norman plan – 4 years no interest.

  135. Xword

    Would be fascinating to unravel the bureaumaths of the public servant who could come up with a fine of $4957.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    Surburban Boy, last night:

    Appreciated. That explanation made a lot more sense than Nugent’s faux-hard man performance.

  137. notafan

    Penalty units are currently $165.22 they are indexed to maintain government coffers.

    All fines in multiples thereof.

  138. notafan

    No parliament, legislation via cho directive, too easy.

  139. Perfidious Albino

    The ridiculous thing is that our regional folk can now travel via Melbourne, stop to shop, work, exercise or care, and continue their journey. Yet anyone currently within Dans ‘ring of steel’ is subject to the pumped up fine if they attempt to leave. I don’t know what’s worse, that they treat us like we are all dills, or that we continue to let them. Sad.

  140. rege

    I cannot seem to understand why some think that this push in Victoria is part of some NWO. Where’s the evidence? Sure there are pushes to get rid of currency, for a universal basic income, etc. That is part of standard centralisation and statism. Call it fascism, tyranny, neo-marxism, crony capitalism 0r whatever (it is certainly not classic Marxism, as he botched and politicised the labour theory of value).

    The push in Victoria cannot do away with the Constitution nor the freedom to vote, at any level. Premier Daniel Andrews and the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party will have created a lot of opposition and we will probably see more party factionalism, revealed in the Legislative Council, at the next election. This over reach may result in more civil unrest and possibly deaths. It will produce push back and the whimpering into nothing at a political at the next election in Victoria. The ALP may be up against a lot of new opposition.

    But there is no way that current tyrannical controls can remain. They may be there temporarily. This thing is going to end badly for some. It may re-vitalise the Liberals and others as they see how the ALP have used the rule of law to trammel hard won civil freedoms.

  141. Frosty

    I no longer have any sympathy for Victorians. They are tolerating this.

    Lets see how you go when you’re out of work and worried about losing your house and being threatened with multi-thousand dollar fines.

  142. Rohan

    Makka, you kept saying upthread that everyone, well most Victorians, loves Dan. That’s no longer true. 20% of working aged people have lost their jobs and have no hope in the short to medium term of obtaining another job. They’re gone. Those people are now in a whole world of hurt. These jobs lost are working class non-essential jobs. Those people now hate Dan and the ALP brand. On top of the other ~35-38% of LNP voters and ~8-10% of conservatives who no longer vote LNP in disgust of their capitulation to soft left socialism.

    So you need to sell the message of what they’ve lost and tie that in with the message that they’ve also lost their freedoms and liberties. Stripped from them arbitrarily by an utterly incompetent, corrupt and self serving government.

    I also believe that the lefts lie that the centre right is only concerned with the bottom line has to be entwined into this narrative. In fact that should be a key focus in that the state of the economy in intrinsically linked to individual freedoms and liberties. This whole fiasco is an unfolding real life case in point, so is easy to articulate.

    But not only do you have to sell that message, you have to enlist them too. It’s not hard. You simply give them hope. Everyone here knows how to achieve that. Well everyone except numbers and monty.

    Thats all Trump did. Give them hopes and dreams of a better life through self reliance, then enabled the government framework to enable them to achieve that. And you then must deliver.

    But First things first, if you can’t sell that message then it’s all over.

    Now before the pile on begins, I don’t know how we organise to achieve that. I never claimed to have all the answers. But this is the framework with which to start.

    Do we roll over and die, or fight to restore what we had? I’m up for the fight.

  143. rege

    Good points, Rohan. One area that is of interest is the profit motive. You noted this as the bottom line. This is at the heart of the original socialist message – the allegation that profit is theft. The way to teach this is to explain that profit indicates that a producer has been successful in solving the problems of his/her clients.

    The Libs need to be clear about this, but they seem to a polarised lot, morally pushed to the side by the left, who claim the moral high ground, and argue that the right will decimate the planet, people and the universe for profit. But not them (they are so intellectually vacuous!).

  144. bollux

    Scummo, the Cowardly Lion AKA The Wizard of Oz will no doubt lead the charge against the lunatic Andrews from the rear.

  145. Lizzi55

    The lockdown will continue as long as the federal government keeps funding people to stay at home.

    Remember there are large numbers of people in Victoria who are now better off financially, and don’t need (or want) to work.

    E.g a couple with 2 kids, who lost their previous (perhaps low paying) jobs, now get around 84k per year on lockdown benefits, of course they would be happy for this to continue as long as Dan wants it. But Scomo is enabling this financially.

    Sad thing is, the response would be the same regardless of which mainstream party was in power. And preferential voting will always return a mainstream party to power. A better (more representative) balance can be achieved if we get rid of preferential voting. The top issue at the next election will (hopefully) be correcting the laws that led to this situation, everything else is of less importance.

  146. notafan

    Are you sure people on jobkeeper better off?
    Sure some students but anyone on average wage and with a mortgage would be devastated .

    How many thousands have deferred mortgage payments?

  147. flyingduk

    NO action can be a crime unless there is a resultant victim: if they cant nominate a victim, there is no crime.POSSIBLY creating some future victim, identity unknown, doesn’t cut it. Unfortunately, this concept was breached years ago by just about every traffic offence on the books. I always point this out to traffic coppers when they stop me for a chat. They don’t understand my point and dont care.

  148. flyingduk

    The lockdown will continue as long as the federal government keeps funding people to stay at home.

    We known this here, but I keep pointing out to my outside acquaintances that is the TAXPAYER who is funding this, not the GOVT.

  149. whyisitso

    I’m not sure I’m free to comment on this issue. Even though I live in Sydney, I could face extradition to Victoria.

  150. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Are you sure people on jobkeeper better off?
    Sure some students but anyone on average wage and with a mortgage would be devastated .

    That’s not the way Jobkeeper is supposed to work (and I don’t like dignifying any half baked and inexcusable waste of taxpayers’ money with that term). The difference between the $1500 subsidy and any wage above that amount is paid by the employer.

  151. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Yet another reason why I’m just as furious with SloMao and Frydchickenberger as I am with that drooling grotesque jug eared collectivist imbecile.

  152. Mustapha Bunn

    Perfidious Allbino … my son lives in Geelong but works in the same suburb of Melbourne that I live in.For the past 6 weeks that I have been in stage 4 lock down he has continued to work, like many others from Geelong and the Surf Coast, in Melbourne. My son passes the end of my street twice a day but under Dickhead Dan’s rules cannot visit myself or his Mother.

  153. RobertS

    It seems VicPol is also untouchable. The Independent Broad-Based Anti-Corruption Commission (IBAC) says it doesn’t have the power or funds to investigate the crooked cops involved in the Gobbo scandal.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-17/lawyer-x-prosecutions-doubtful-victoria-ibac-says/12672060
    Victoria is starting to resemble Queensland under Joh, Russ Hinze, Terry Lewis et al.

  154. Professor Fred Lenin

    Notafan ,800,000 mortgage deferrals ? Now there is a looming disaster .the housing market will be shattered
    ,we will have the lessening of Chinese buyers as resentment builds against them due to the communist governments biological warfare escape. I dont think its release was intentional as you dont release these things without the antidote . Once it got away they pounced heavily on Wuhan and as far as we know contained it ,letting it 0o in the rest of the world gave them some idea of how effective it was .
    Does that sound strange ? We are dealing with ruthless communists here and military men .
    I said from the word go it was biowar and the very brave Chinese virologist who exposed it confirmed my belief .

  155. Aussie

    I’m in regional Vic and have purchased a custom RV camping trailer
    Can I go collect it or will I cop that fine when I head home to conduct legal activity?
    I doubt that VicPol would know or care as I’ll be a soft touch
    All part of command and control

  156. Mater

    Can I go collect it or will I cop that fine when I head home to conduct legal activity?

    No checkpoints going in, and because ‘essential’ varies from Copper to Copper, people are just avoiding the checkpoints coming out – just to be sure. After that, because your rego is regional, you are home free.

    Driving outside the Iron Curtain with metro plates, will see you nailed in short order. Either when parked or moving. The checkpoints are window dressing, and leak like a sieve. The registration scanners are where the action is. This is why they have upped the fines for being caught outside. They know the checkpoints are ineffective.

  157. nilk

    Seems to me like police are breaking the law when they ask for ID or they arrest someone on suspicion of breaking a health directive. Or inciting to break one, for that matter. This is such a pedestrian point, yet hundreds of people have been arrested by now, so is a plain reading of the law is missing something?

    I think it’s allowable under the Public Health and Wellness Act.

  158. jo

    Its time to take out the “Trash”

  159. The BigBlueCat

    Officially, only 0.02% of the Melbourne population apparently have COVID-19 … so why are 99.98% of the population being restricted from moving around the state? Seems a bit harsh to me ….

  160. nilk

    Pour encourages les autres, Big Blue Cat. That’s all.

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