Open Forum: September 19, 2020

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  1. We are living in the theatre of the absurd.

    Scripted in its entirety by Catallaxy.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    At a later enquiry one of Richard II’s staffers broker down in tears and was heard to remark, ‘Look, we’re trying really hard here.’

  3. feelthebern

    Redlining was feature of FDR’s administration’s policies.
    Not a bug.
    Crikey, calli, where did your sewing circle get that hot take.

  4. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Scripted in its entirety by Catallaxy.’

    And acted out entirely by an elderly coward still bemoaning his lack of moral fibre when it was most needed 50 years ago, and for which the past half-century has been a continuous low-power justification for it.

    ‘Now is the winter of our discontent.’

  5. Farmer Gez

    1735099
    #3593485, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:43 am
    We are living in the theatre of the absurd.

    Scripted in its entirety by Catallaxy.

    Stupid never rests.

  6. feelthebern

    Anders Tegnell interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C99MtK4ogM

    Swedens big brain epidemiologist.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Karen on stilts.

    UK Prime Minister’s Sister Calls For Booze Ban Until Virus Vaccine Found (21 Sep)

    Boris Johnson’s sister Rachel has suggested a complete ban on the sale of alcohol in Britain until a coronavirus vaccine is produced.

    She’s a radio talkback lady. The ABC should make her an offer immediately. Such talent!

  8. Shy Ted

    Must be running late. Normally I’m here before the first insult of the day.

  9. Knuckle Dragger

    Here’s a bit more theatre for you, Liability Bob. Might ring a bell or two:

    ‘That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
    We would not die in that man’s company
    That fears his fellowship to die with us.’

    And:

    ‘For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition;
    And gentlemen in England now a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.’

    Henry V rocks. Rocks hard. Bardcore hard.

  10. Mater

    Scripted in its entirety by Catallaxy.

    Pray for us.

  11. caveman

    RBG gave her life for 4 more years of Donald Trump, she will be remembered as a true patriot.

  12. notafan

    I did not know catallaxy ran the Victorian government.

    But okay Toowoomba man knows.

  13. Mater

    Here’s a bit more theatre for you, Liability Bob. Might ring a bell or two:

    And another:

    When I was a young man I carried my pack
    And I lived the free life of a scholar
    From the great Kedron Park to the dusty outback
    I spruiked the virtues of squalor

    Then in 1967 my country said son
    Your can finish your course, but there’s work to be done
    So they deferred me a bit, then gave me a gun
    And they sent me away to the war

    And the band played Waltzing Matilda
    As the wheels lifted into the air
    And above all the tears and the shouts and the Cheers
    You could still hear me yelling “NOT FAIR!”

    How well I remember that terrible day
    When the globe on the projector exploded
    And how in the hell could they expect me to play
    The Feature that I’d just locked and loaded
    The Q store was packed, I’d done my job well
    I’d lectured the Regulars, and taught them to spell
    But as for a globe, it’d all gone to hell
    I wished I was back in Australia

    But the band played Waltzing Matilda
    As the Diggers displayed their despair
    They’d done all this time, the dirt and the grime
    Only to sit there and stare

    Now those of the left, we did our best to survive
    In a Right Wing war founded on fear
    And for five long months I kept myself alive
    Until I snagged a job in the rear

    Then the big date arrived, knocked me arse over head
    My old path was now free to be tread
    But for the next 50 years, others wished THEY were dead
    Now THEY know there are worse things than dying

    And no more I’ll go Waltzing Matilda
    The notion itself, unrealistic
    For to wonder this land, climb a rock and just stand
    Seems to me, horribly Imperialistic

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    Gold.

    And THAT, Mater, should send him around and around the Woomba ring roads for the day.

    Half the day, anyway. Maybe he’ll go to the RSL for lunch.

  15. Boris Johnson’s sister Rachel has suggested a complete ban on the sale of alcohol in Britain until a coronavirus vaccine is produced.

    Fuck off you silly bint.

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    Fuck off you silly bint.

    Strong letter to follow

  17. Tintarella di Luna

    Mater
    #3593498, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:59 am

    👏👏👏👏

  18. Leigh Lowe

    WTF?
    I have a bit of a nap and come back to find the place has gone all Shakespearian.
    Enough with the high-brows.

  19. Mater

    And THAT, Mater, should send him around and around the Woomba ring roads for the day.

    What’s your guess.
    Hermetically sealed or with the gaudy red roof down?

  20. calli

    Boris Johnson’s sister Rachel has suggested a complete ban on the sale of alcohol in Britain until a coronavirus vaccine is produced.

    Knowing the mentality of these types, she likely has a vast cupboard full of plonk to tide her over.

    The guilt of the secret drinker.

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Hermetically sealed or with the gaudy red roof down?’

    In the back of his spack bus.

  22. Top Ender

    Good article – last bit is the best:

    We shut up shop for a coronavirus that was unlikely to kill us

    ADAM CREIGHTON
    Follow @Adam_Creighton

    “Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everybody gets busy on the proof.”

    John Kenneth Galbraith’s quip couldn’t be more apt right now, where the world’s political class and their cheer squads in the media and pockets of academia are trying to justify the extraordinary attack on civil liberties and economic freedom over a disease that’s like a severe flu in its health impact. They will need more than: “China said it worked”, “it was popular”, and “it feels as if lockdowns must work”.

    The aim of such blunt policies, enacted contrary to advice and without empirical support, has steadily shifted from “flattening the curve”, to suppression, and now, in Victoria, at least, “elimination”.

    Regardless, we shouldn’t have copied the policies of an increasingly totalitarian state on faith; many terrible and stupid things are popular, and science doesn’t care about feelings.

    In Sweden — a nation castigated mercilessly for taking sensible precautions rather than enforcing a China-style police state — total mortality has turned out to be much the same as previous years.

    It’s had no “second wave”, unlike other lockdown-prone European nations, lending support to the idea Swedes have developed some herd immunity, and are getting on with their lives.

    The modelling produced to justify Victoria’s stage-four lockdown that began on August 1, predicted the 14-day average of new cases would be “over 60 by mid-September” with a tough lockdown. It was 34 as of Monday, when 11 new cases were announced — the modelling was poor.

    As analysts at Bell Potter showed, the virus peaked just three days after the fourth stage began, which, given the incubation period, means the additional measures had nothing to do with the decline.

    Almost 1770 Belgian doctors and health professionals issued an open letter urging Belgium — in a second wave of about 1000 cases a day — against reimposing a lockdown. “If we compare the waves of infection in countries with strict lockdown policies to countries that did not impose lockdowns (Sweden, Iceland …), we see similar curves. There is no link,” they said on September 10.

    Never mind all that. Just as our medieval ancestors thought influenza was caused by the “influence” of the stars (hence the name), the decline in cases in Victoria will be attributed to curfews, lockdowns, and Victorians’ globally unique vigilance.

    There is no link between lockdowns and reduction in deaths, let alone a demonstration of causality, as multiple analyses in medical journal The Lancet and elsewhere have shown. The sun doesn’t rise in the morning because the rooster crows.

    Paris-based data scientist Ivan Debono published an insightful graph last week, putting the 960,000 global deaths from or with COVID-19, in context. You almost need a microscope to see the impact, given more than 60 million people, mostly aged, die each year.

    And Melbourne University’s vice-chancellor implied this week, in terms of quality-adjusted life years saved, the toll would be much less. “What is the value of a 90-year-old’s life versus the value of the continuing livelihood and happiness of a 25-year-old?’’ he bravely asked.

    The chart, anyway, is either a demonstration of our collective genius in snuffing out a very deadly virus — for the first time in history — or one of the coronavirus’s modest lethality. I am pretty sure for which explanation future historians will opt.

    Ultimately the tide of sanctimony and hysteria will go out leaving the facts, but in the meantime the economic and social destruction continues.

    The facts have changed but not the response. Why?

    Economics provides two ideas that help us understand how we ended up putting millions under house arrest: path dependency and public choice theory.

    If the virus had emerged in Sweden, Brazil, Japan or even Victoria, it is unlikely the world would have locked itself down in terror. History matters; China took the lead, we followed.

    The path you’re on depends how you started, however stupid it was in hindsight. For reasons of saving face and sheer inertia, governments cannot and do not re-optimise like computers might with the latest information each day, which leads to the second factor. Economists once thought politicians acted wholly in the public interest, their models assumed policies were carried out as if by a “benevolent dictator”.

    Nobel prize winner James Buchanan blew this naivety away in the 1970s, showing that bureaucracy and regulators often acted in their own interest or that of the industry they regulated (as the GFC well-illustrated).

    “Show me the incentives, and I’ll show you the outcome” quipped legendary investor Charlie Munger.

    The pandemic has given the political class an opportunity to increase its fame, power and relative income under the self-righteous banner of “saving lives”.

    Politicians, who know they’ll be accountable to the media only for pandemic deaths, do whatever is popular, such as close state borders, in order to be re-elected.

    All the costs have fallen on others, who had no place at the decision-making table.

    Imagine one slight tweak to this incentive structure whereby every politician and chief medical officer endured a 20 per cent pay cut for every day lockdown and restrictions were maintained. How long would it have lasted?

    ADAM CREIGHTON
    ECONOMICS EDITOR
    Adam Creighton is an award-winning journalist with a special interest in tax and financial policy. He was a Journalist in Residence at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business in 2019.

    Oz

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Don’t worry I am lowering the tone.

    Thank Christ for that.
    We don’t want this place turning into a freakin’ toffee-nosed literary society.
    Do we?

  24. calli

    I do. As soon as I finish my latest Jack Reacher.

  25. Farmer Gez

    feelthebern
    #3593491, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:52 am
    Anders Tegnell interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C99MtK4ogM

    Swedens big brain epidemiologist.

    An interview where you actually learn something and not designed to merely malign the guest or aggrandise the interviewer.

  26. PeterM

    I’m in awe of you Mater – excellent work

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Mater.
    Eric Bogle called.
    He wants his song back.

  28. calli

    Media now trialling a new catchphrase.

    Covid Normal

  29. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3593513, posted on September 22, 2020 at 7:20 am

    I do. As soon as I finish my latest Jack Reacher.

    Jack Reacher?
    A brand of Tennessee whiskey?

  30. Knuckle Dragger

    I think we’re all forgetting there’s a famous awther right here.

    Somewhere.

  31. Mater

    Mater.
    Eric Bogle called.
    He wants his song back.

    Yes, yes. He’s upset at me…twice over.
    Eric seems to be under the mistaken impression that the only basic right which has survived Dan’s takeover, is copyright.
    I respectfully disagree. It has been binned alongside every other human right.
    It’s a free-for-all, artistically speaking.

  32. Rohan

    Can we give numbers 10/100 for showing his workings?

  33. 132andBush

    Mater
    #3593498, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:59 am

    Here’s a bit more theatre for you, Liability Bob. Might ring a bell or two:

    And another:

    It’s missing the word “comrade” 🙂

  34. lotocoti

    Or put another way, 91.3% (48.2% + 43.1%) didn’t vote for the incumbent.

    Someone struggled with Veggie Maths.

  35. Entropy

    Absolutely awesome article

    The pandemic has given the political class an opportunity to increase its fame, power and relative income under the self-righteous banner of “saving lives”.

    Politicians, who know they’ll be accountable to the media only for pandemic deaths, do whatever is popular, such as close state borders, in order to be re-elected.

    All the costs have fallen on others, who had no place at the decision-making table.

    Imagine one slight tweak to this incentive structure whereby every politician and chief medical officer endured a 20 per cent pay cut for every day lockdown and restrictions were maintained. How long would it have lasted?

    100% correct.

    If the virus had emerged in Sweden, Brazil, Japan or even Victoria, it is unlikely the world would have locked itself down in terror. History matters; China took the lead, we followed.

    Great insight.

  36. 132andBush

    An interview where you actually learn something and not designed to merely malign the guest or aggrandise the interviewer.

    Thanks, Gez.

    These interviews have to be spread as far and wide as we can manage.

  37. mh

    Ben Garrison a little disappointing today.

    If he is going to draw ‘Michael Obama’ in cutie gear, then he needs to show the full package.

  38. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mater
    #3593481, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:26 am
    Someone at stitch n’ bitch was having a minor Trump Derangement seizure yesterday.

    Did they mention his weight, or the fact that he never went to Vietnam?”

    Or the fact that his wife was formerly a model who posed “nude”….that one still makes me laugh.

  39. Boambee John

    Scripted in its entirety by Catallaxy.

    But we couldn’t do it without the immense assistance of the bin chicken!

  40. sfw

    I like the 20% pay cut thing however didn’t NZ do that? They still continue lockdown even though their economy almost lives on tourism.

  41. Rex Anger

    Mater.
    Eric Bogle called.
    He wants his song back.

    I didn’t think that Teh Comrades believed in that sort of thing, what with Solidarity and “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” and all that sort of thing…

    Nicely played to Mater. Maybe now we should all now change the name of our resident reluctnt, non-consenting conscript to Jack?

    Jack by name, Jack by nature and Jack to decribe the sadwanking we inevitably have to suffer between the bouts of ragewank about the evils of Americans in general, and a certain Evilbad Orange Man Bad in particular…

  42. Tom

    Mater
    #3593484, posted on September 22, 2020 at 6:41 am

    Bwahahahahahahaha! Brilliant, Mater! Never gets old.

  43. Boambee John

    Fuck off you silly bint.

    Rude letter follows.

  44. calli

    Or the fact that his wife was formerly a model who posed “nude”….that one still makes me laugh.

    No. But he did give everyone in America Covid.

  45. Cassie of Sydney

    “That’s right, now I remember. He apparently won office with 8.7% of the vote.”

    Never forget that the racist Turd once “taught” children.

  46. duncanm

    Imagine one slight tweak to this incentive structure whereby every politician and chief medical officer endured a 20 per cent pay cut for every day lockdown and restrictions were maintained. How long would it have lasted?

    no need to even be as drastic as that.

    How about link their salary to their State’s (and Fed as appropriate) monthly GDP, sans government ?

  47. Struth

    Taking a poll in Victoria is no different to taking a poll of the forced flag wavers at a Chinese military parade.

  48. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hahahaha!

    Why working from home could be a disaster for Australia’s electricity grid this summer (ABC, 21 Sep, via WUWT)

    Air conditioners could send Australia’s power grid into meltdown this summer, as roughly one third of the workforce do their jobs from home, experts have warned.

    “And with more people working from home there will be a higher load in the residential areas,” Dr Bannister said.

    “But there won’t be a comparable drop in the commercial load, because most of the buildings are still operating.”

    Shorter ABC: ‘How dare plebs in lockdown turn on their airconditioners? Crime against Gaia! They should swelter in the dark like good little mushrooms.’

  49. Mater

    Taking a poll in Victoria is no different to taking a poll of the forced flag wavers at a Chinese military parade.

    If this new legislation passes, anyone answering the poll questions ‘incorrectly’ could find themselves in arbitrary detention, should they test positive.

  50. mh

    I was looking forward to seeing Clive Palmer’s attacks on Palace Chook.
    Now I know why I am not seeing them. Labor passed legislation to stop him. Bastards.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/29/queensland-to-introduce-campaign-spending-limits-as-part-of-integrity-reform

  51. Cassie of Sydney

    Bin chicken links to Haaretz…as far-left a newspaper as you’ll get. Bin chicken is obsessed with Israel….but anti-Semites usually are.

  52. min

    I am pondering the latest poll in Victoriastan that gives 62% approval to Dictator Dan for his handling of the second wave. It certainly isn’t the Stockholm Syndrome more likely the 70 plus more days of exposure for an hour everyday that has worked fo him . Recent research into why certain politicians fared favourably in polls ,even after being caught out lying , suggested that prominence made them appear more trustworthy.
    Speaking with younger demographics , it seems the ones working from home ,schooling kids are stressed out with no time to think about the politics of the situation, Essential workers like I have in the family, are stressed out also because of longer hours , front line jobs . The uni students I know some are coping , some not and deferring after only 1 week at uni this year and do not think of politics .
    What is really frightening is that these cohorts no nothing of the Omnibus Bill as they are too involved in own problems . This will get passed if the cross benchers are bought off like last time so bring on the Stasi.
    Have we been habituated to present living conditions that will mean complacent behaviour in Victoriastan? Not too many protesters out in the weekend.

  53. mh

    Bob told us many times that Bibi was finished.

    Numbers, who is the Israeli Prime Minister?

  54. Struth

    Soon Victorians who have done no more than comment here, could well be taken away just because they did so.
    The truth is, if Numbers was a Victorian, as he is part of the “Nazi party” as a public servant lefty, he could arrest you.
    While living in Queensland he can only dob you Victorians in so the local youth social worker can come around and drag you away.
    It’s 1930’s Germany with the socialists out of control. Exactly the same.
    Then it will be anyone they hate, in order.
    White right wing men, Joooos, etc.

    And while this is happening we have the insane situation where the rest of Australia think they are free, when they can’t leave the country, stand together, gather in large groups (unless government approved left wing protests or rallies like the AFL. They can’t sing, stand up in a pub, dance at a wedding etc.

    These laws are a disgrace and the left love it, and support it all.

    I understand the principle of free speech, but as it has long ago been totally smashed by the left, and the situation is getting worse, it’s time this blog, for the safety of it’s contributors, to seriously look at giving the evil one the boot.

  55. Farmer Gez

    The experts in the UK are warning of 50,000 cases per day by October and thousands of deaths unless you do as they say. Considering the big second peak in the US topped out at 75,000 cases per day, with a population five times that of the UK, this will be quite amazing.

    Let’s destroy the economy again to see if they’re right.

  56. Megan

    Top song, Mater! Perfect summary of the pathetic Woomba Worm.

  57. notafan

    Still waiting for second waves of death in Europe

  58. Struth

    A while ago I was mocked for talking about “marked men”

    How many of you Victorians now think you could be very close to being one?

  59. Ladyredneck

    There must be some largish revelations due to happen surely? Todays headlines in the Oz online edition are full on looney, with just one small concession to rationality. All the distraction squirrels have been deployed.

  60. Roger

    The experts in the UK are warning of 50,000 cases per day by October and thousands of deaths unless you do as they say.

    Neil Ferguson strikes again.

    How many times do you have to get it spectacularly wrong before the media stops referring to you as an “expert”.

  61. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    When I was a young man I carried my pack
    And I lived the free life of a scholar
    From the great Kedron Park to the dusty outback
    I spruiked the virtues of squalor

    Classic, Mater! Well said!

  62. Struth

    Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?
    We need you to denounce his bill to arrest anyone they feel like, without the use of police even just lefty public servants.
    We need a statement from you that you detest such actions and stand against this tyranny.
    Put it in writing here, Bob.

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    “Struth
    #3593570, posted on September 22, 2020 at 8:26 am
    Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?
    We need you to denounce his bill to arrest anyone they feel like, without the use of police even just lefty public servants.
    We need a statement from you that you detest such actions and stand against this tyranny.
    Put it in writing here, Bob.”

    I suspect the racist supports Comrade Dan.

  64. Tel

    Shorter ABC: ‘How dare plebs in lockdown turn on their airconditioners? Crime against Gaia! They should swelter in the dark like good little mushrooms.’

    In these times of great difficulty, shutting down the ABC might be a necessary sacrifice. Only “temporary” of course … couple of weeks to flatten the electricity load peak should be sufficient.

  65. Herodotus

    Anyone who consumes a fair bit of current affairs commentary will be fed on a daily basis one or more stories about domestic violence. One could easily reach the conclusion that this is a problem more widespread than the corona virus, something endemic to our society and another thing for all of us to feel guilty about. The harpies of the ABC and BBC are particularly prone to repeat performances on this theme.
    I’m not going to argue that it doesn’t happen, clearly it does, and certain ethnic (am I still able to say ethnic?) groups probably do more than their share while getting less attention from the craven media. That same media which was absent for years on the issues in the UK – does Rotherham ring any bells? We learned more about that from Breitbart London than from the regular MSM.
    If this disorder was as widespread in traditional Australian households as they make out, I’d have run across it quite often, being nearly threescore and ten. I’ve mixed with people at all levels of society, from not-so-well-off in fibro housing commission homes to farmers, small business people, public servants and some various ranking military, plus sundry politicians. I’ve seen cases of husbands who drank too much, bet on the horses too much, or generally mismanaged their lives. Men can be argumentative, overbearing, and at times just gratuitously unpleasant or unduly irritable, but I can only quote one instance in my life of a family I knew (vaguely) that had anything resembling domestic violence.
    This might be just me, but statistically, while there are bound to be some in this forum who can attest to a different experience, I’d have thought that if the problem of domestic violence was as rampant as the media class say it is, my experience would be confirmatory of a terrible plague.
    Has my life been terribly sheltered? Don’t bother replying, numbers, your opinions are crap.

  66. Tel

    How many of you Victorians now think you could be very close to being one?

    How long is Dan’s list?

  67. feelthebern

    DEALS ALERT
    Volkswagen in Talks to Sell Bugatti Brand to Croation Upstart

    2020.
    Anything is possible.

  68. notafan

    I’m still mocking ‘marked man’

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3593421, posted on September 21, 2020 at 11:24 pm
    Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Why is it that one of the more depressing phrases you can hear from your doctor is “Well, after all, at your time of life…”

    Turn it on its head.
    Some Forte painkillers would do the trick. Request denied. “What? Are you afraid I might become a druggie at my time in life?”
    “You should give up smoking.” ”
    A bit late innit at my time in life?”

  70. Anne

    The Police are acting unlawfully when they stop you for not wearing a mask and demand information from you and you have the right to turn the tables and arrest them.

    Knowledge is POWER. Learn the Law.

    Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent.

    https://youtu.be/8S7iUosbQ5M 36mins.

    I’d strongly urge everyone to join Know Your Rights Group and buy their books.

  71. mh

    notafan
    #3593576, posted on September 22, 2020 at 8:34 am
    I’m still mocking ‘marked man’

    Why?
    Avi Yemeni got a visit at night from VicPol who told him he was “on the list”.

  72. Helen

    Has the Vietnam war been won yet?

    H/T gab

  73. vr

    Why working from home could be a disaster for Australia’s electricity grid this summer (ABC, 21 Sep

    It’s going to be 30C today.

  74. mh

    Courier Paywall

    REVEALED: THE POWERFUL LOBBYISTS RUNNING QUEENSLAND IN SECRET
    Lobbyists – they are the unelected mercenaries cruising the corridors of power, whispering in the ears of our lawmakers. They are influencing decisions in secret and a decree by the Palaszczuk government that lobbying regulations are already transparent enough is absolute rubbish, writes Mike O’Connor.

  75. vr

    It’s going to be 30C today in Brisbane.

  76. Struth

    Nothing from the Feds regards Andrews behaviour, only financial help for him to continue.

    I’ll always remember these times for being the strangest for this one reason.
    The people conducting this coup d’etat have told us on their own web sites that they are doing it.
    It’s not hidden. It comes from them directly, but you have to go search for it, and they put it out there just enough to let lefty groups know there is funding available etc.
    Right wing types are too busy surviving or never go to those type of sites.
    The UN tells you exactly what they are doing.
    Soros tells you exactly what he is doing.
    If people tell you what they are doing and you see them doing it, in 2020, that’s called a conspiracy theory.

  77. notafan

    Seriously you think there is a parallel between posting her and what Avi does?

    Hyperbole.

  78. Cassie of Sydney

    I have no doubt the racist approves of “lists” for his ideological opponents.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
    We would not die in that man’s company
    That fears his fellowship to die with us.’

    Don’t have a reference, but the C.O. of one of the Second A.I.F. battalions that were going to lead the attack at El Alamein, paraded his men before the battle and made them the same offer.
    “Any man who doesn’t want to go into this show, alongside his cobbers, just has to go back to B Echelon….”

  80. Helen

    I was looking forward to seeing Clive Palmer’s attacks on Palace Chook.
    Now I know why I am not seeing them. Labor passed legislation to stop him. Bastards.

    He has registered Mineralogy with the EC as a secondary rather than affiliate party so he gets to spend more money. Not fair sez Labor even though they have the unions as secondary pardies. lols

  81. Cassie of Sydney

    “vr
    #3593586, posted on September 22, 2020 at 8:41 am
    It’s going to be 30C today in Brisbane.”

    Global warming!
    Climate change!
    ScoMo’s fault!
    Trump’s fault!

    Actually, it’s just the weather.

  82. notafan

    Having linked this morning to two LNP federal members commenting about Victoria (and without even looking for more)

    ‘Nothing from the feds regarding Andrews behaviour ‘ is your usual baseless without foundation commenting.

    If you are going to be a political pundit you need to statrt with honesty.

    We get enough lies from leftists thank you very much.

  83. Struth

    Nothing from the feds regarding Andrews behaviour ‘ is your usual baseless without foundation commenting.

    A couple of members……talking…….really?

    Well, excuse me, well I’m relieved, it’s all over.
    Two members are commenting, and come to think of it, even Sco Mo has said he wants us all back in work, so what am I worried about?

  84. Sinclair Davidson

    It’s going to be 30C today in Brisbane.

    Goddamn Queenslanders hogging all the global warming for themselves.

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    It’s a beautiful day here in Sydney too.

  86. Geriatric Mayfly

    8C on the Plains of Sodom and likely to fall.

  87. Snoopy

    About a third of the 270 pilot whales stranded on a sandbar on Tasmania’s West Coast have died, rescuers say.

    That’s a good start.

  88. feelthebern

    Once the whales are dead, why aren’t we harvesting their whaley goodness?

  89. Struth

    I wrote to Credlin the other day when she started on getting people out fruit picking who are on the dole.
    The typical right wing brain fart.
    How dare people take the dole when there are jobs to be had, she barked.
    So did Alan Jones for that matter.

    I reminded her that I had work before the government took it away from me, and will work again when it is re instated.
    I noted she hadn’t lost any pay over this, could travel anywhere, and it was a bit rich talking the way she was.
    I picked grapes and pruned vines for a number of years when I was younger, in my “off” hours from other jobs and have spent my life working my way up from there.

    It may be appropriate that she ask herself if she is part of the political elite destroying all the jobs people had , to force them to work in the fields like the peasants we are, to keep food on their table.
    Those who were unemployed before the government destroyed their work, and the school leavers, maybe, there is a point to it, but middle aged professionals who were working, but destroyed by the governments own actions, then forced into the fields, and supported by those of the political elite that claim to be right wing, is farcical.

    They never mentioned it last night.

  90. notafan

    What exactly should they be doing struth?

    You said ‘nothing from’ implying no public comments.

    My point was that you never even bothered to check what federal politicians were saying.

    A quick search by me this morning immediately found two, I’m sure there are others.

    Now keep dancing around pretending your statements have credibility.

    On the one hand the msm is part of the covid conspiracy, on the other they are reporting every less than flattering to Dan lnp comment (ie there are none).

    Make up your mind.
    #supplychaincollapse #foodrationing

  91. Gab

    Innocent until proven guilty

    Anne, that ship has long sailed from Viktoriastan.

  92. mh

    Melbourne is heading for very cool weather this weekend.
    13 C by Saturday.

  93. feelthebern

    Whale burger.
    With some blow hole on the side.
    That’s good eating.

  94. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?
    We need you to denounce his bill to arrest anyone they feel like, without the use of police even just lefty public servants.
    We need a statement from you that you detest such actions and stand against this tyranny.
    Put it in writing here, Bob.””

    Any word from the bin chicken?

  95. Farmer Gez

    28 cases for Vic today.

    Will Daring Dan ever defeat this vile monster?
    How many small business virgins will Dan need to placate the beast?
    Will Brett Sutton put tofu in his kale salad today?

  96. Dr Faustus

    From mh at 8:11 am:

    “People are wanting a government brave enough to do what needs to be done in this space, and take money out of politics,” the premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk, said.

    The government would increase payments to candidates from $1.57 a vote to $3 a vote. Payments to political parties would increase from $3.14 to $6 a vote.

    They are just laarfing at us…

  97. mh

    Families ❌
    Multi-culti dancers ✅

    Video footage of staff in the Aged Care Facility, AdvantCare Whitehorse located in Nunawading, Melbourne dancing without wearing personal protective equipment (PPE).

    This incident occurred on Wednesday, 16th September, 2020, while Melbourne is locked down in Stage 4 Restrictions.

    Today has contacted Victoria Police about the video and they have advised no complaint has been lodged and no investigation has been conducted yet.

  98. thefrollickingmole

    About a third of the 270 pilot whales stranded on a sandbar on Tasmania’s West Coast have died, rescuers say.

    Obviously Kamikaze pilots.

  99. feelthebern

    If you plan on holidaying in Oz, ensure you support as many mum & dad ran b&b’s, hotels, cafes, restaurants etc.
    Do your research.
    If they’ve been supportive of lock downs publicly, give ’em a miss.
    If they’ve been all about opening up, support them.
    It’s never been more important to research where you’re spending your money.

  100. caveman

    Will Brett Sutton put tofu in his kale salad today?

    I bet he has a go at speaking North Korean at the presser today.

  101. Struth

    As I said, not here to argue that much anymore, the reason being, as should be plainly obvious, there is now no point.
    I’m sure you’ll be having your head shaved in your blue and white suit before you admit to anything going on Notafan, that’s how you cope, and god help those that go to burst your bubble.
    Fair enough.
    That’s your coping mechanism.

    There was a time when pulling you up was beneficial to make a point here, but we’re all way past it now.
    It’s too late and there is no point to it, it’s gone too far.
    There are better ways for me to spend my time fighting this.
    I can’t believe you don’t look at the actions of these people instead of what they say, but you do, and find comfort in it, you go for it.
    I’m looking at what they are doing, and specifically what the Feds are not doing, while still imprisoning us.
    Words mean nothing from these people.

  102. notafan

    Like I said dancing around
    #lastword

  103. calli

    I’m in two minds about the aged care dancing. Much…much Karening going on there.

    It illustrates the hypocrisy surrounding celebrations, but it’s also giving a sense of normalcy to the elderly who have been locked away for a huge proportion of the little that remains to them.

    Another burning down the village to save it moment.

  104. thefrollickingmole

    Mum and dad and Danny saw the passing out parade at Spackapunyal
    It was a long march Mong college
    The six year old was the next to cry and it was me who watched the mirror
    We did fingerpainting and potato stamps before we left
    And Townsville lined the footpaths as we shortbussed down to the park
    This clipping from the paper shows us Mongs and tards and me
    And there’s me slouching with me probono and Mx5s
    Government help me
    I was only a Tard herder.

  105. calli

    And, just like that, Andrews cares about the elderly.

  106. Dr Faustus

    The experts in the UK are warning of 50,000 cases per day by October and thousands of deaths unless you do as they say.

    The Experts are deeply disturbed that insufficient people are dying from the UK Second Wave. At this rate, people will start to assume that the Rona is insufficient cause to panic over.

    Fuck that: we’ve had everything else right so far…

  107. Oh come on

    I just bought a massive family wagon – a grey import from Japan, the mighty Nissan Elgrand. It’s such a cool car. Chairs like sofas, ridiculously roomy, super nice trim and full of awesome and quirky Japanese tech. Seats 6 in luxury, 8 in great comfort. It even has lace curtains – they open and close at the touch of a button and are powered by magnets or something. They shoot left and right like bullets. They make me laugh. I’ll probably never use them. They (and a bunch of other things) can be operated via a remote control housed in the rear. The kids are going to have fun with that – might have to take the batteries out of it.

    But it is a huge bus of a thing. Very easy to drive but the turning circle is a mile wide. If you want to go left, you have to turn the steering wheel anti-clockwise about 15 times. In less than a second, 7 multi-coloured lights, a computer screen and a soft voiced Japanese speaking lady all tell you that your directive has been transferred by satellite to the front wheels, your trajectory has been calculated, you get a print-out of your surroundings and a predicted path of travel that is also sent to your smartphone…and then you start edging leftwards.

  108. notafan

    I’m in no two minds.

    The operatiors, an arm of the Seventh Day Adventist church which has its main administrative offices next door, as it happens, see zero risk, and they operate many aged care facilities, in Melbourne, not just this one.

    If that is the case it’s time to open the state.

  109. notafan

    Likley that is covid normal inside the facility.

  110. Oh come on

    The weird thing is…few of these cars have cruise control. Despite them being made for journeys. You could buy cruise as an optional extra when new, but most Japanese buyers didn’t. They want electric curtains, but not cruise control. And the factory cruise control offered was the adaptive kind that the fancy cars now all have, but this was back in 2001. It’s like the Japanese have been hiding all of this cool car tech and keeping it from the rest of the world.

  111. notafan

    And the hilarious part to that party is all the suckers at the park across the road wearing their masks without a person in cooee and the regular police patrols to make sure they are complying.

  112. mh

    notafan
    #3593628, posted on September 22, 2020 at 9:28 am
    Like I said dancing around
    #lastword

    What does this even mean?

  113. incoherent rambler

    270 whales stranded on a sandbar

    Any police commish amongst them?

  114. notafan

    MH I said struth would dance around his false claim there was ‘nothing from feds regarding Andrews behaviour ‘

    And so it came to pass.

    And apparently I must always have the last word so I did

    #lastwordagain

  115. MatrixTransform

    Make up your mind.

    hey nota.

    while your’e enjoying your strawberries … can you tell me where all our specialty cable has gone?

    surely you know of at least one wholesaler that has stock?

  116. Snoopy

    Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

  117. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Tom,
    Branco. The best of cartoons are the ones that make you burst out laughing – this one did that!
    My grandmother would have said ‘beautiful’.

  118. Mater

    I see a new push is arising: #danforpm

    Yes please, Dan. Resign your seat now, and commence your run for Federal politics! PLEASE!
    The people live a strong leader, who is not for turning, regardless of the consequences. Your place in history awaits.

    I’m sure Uncle Xi would approve.

  119. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Nota,
    I’m not on twitter.

  120. vr

    Goddamn Queenslanders hogging all the global warming for themselves.

    I would like it to be 23-25C for a few more weeks. Wish Spring hung around a little longer. The Azaleas are already wilting.

  121. notafan

    I don’t know matrix, did a truck break down or was it a wrong shade of pink on someone’s high viz?

    The claim was specifically in relation to the food supply chain, anything else is open slather.

    Perhaps the chickens ate the cable.

    Ps not from China is it?

  122. incoherent rambler

    Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

    For Andrews, Step #1 is complete.
    When are the gods starting on Step #2?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Does anyone know?
    Is the Citizens Electoral Council political party still a thing?

  124. Oh come on

    Looking on the bright side for a moment – there is a tonne of comedic material being generated at the moment. Reporters doing their pieces to camera wearing their colossal, ridiculous-looking masks, politicians conducting interviews seated metres apart as though each person suspects the other is a leper, all of the busybodies letting their inner tyrants completely off the leash and embracing their time to shine in various ugly ways…and so much more. A good comedian could skewer all of this.

  125. notafan

    You don’t have to be on Twitter to look at Twitter.

    The point is federal government MPs are making public statements on social media, which is precisely what Trump does.

    Whether or not the msm decide to broadcast them is out of their control.

  126. Oh come on

    270 whales stranded on a sandbar

    Are you sure those are whales? They might be Biden’s electoral college votes.

  127. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I see a new push is arising: #danforpm

    There’s a similar push on here, in the Wild West – Mark McGowan for P.M.

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Annie Getcha Tunnels Dug, 8.35:

    ‘The Police are acting unlawfully when they stop you for not wearing a mask and demand information from you and you have the right to turn the tables and arrest them.’

    Ordinarily I’d let this run, but there may or may not be lurkers reading your shit who don’t realise that if you go around attempting to arrest the jacks it will not end well for you.

    You first, witchiepoo. You first. Let me know how you go before advocating others do it.

    You are Radio Rental. Not all your dogs are barking. A nuffie. Booey. Ken Bruce.

    Perhaps you could throw your many cats at the cops from a shopping trolley in the street.

  129. Anne

    Gab, we still live under the Rule of Law.

    These cops are acting unlawfully when they stop you and demand your details.

    People are wearing their filthy masks, being impeded in their travels and submitting to imprisonment because they think the cops have the law on their side.

    THEY DO NOT!

    They have to prove to you that YOU are a risk to public health.

    If you don’t know your rights and stand up for them you’re already a slave.

    Please, just watch the damn video.

    https://youtu.be/8S7iUosbQ5M

  130. Gab

    Andrews just confirmed ”rules” will be in place until 2021 or when a vaccine arrives.

    The Omnibus Bill will ensure Victorians will be forcibly vaccinated,

  131. “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?

    Given that the 14 day average infection rate has dropped to 32, and there were 28 new cases today, his actions are working.
    Now tell me, why would you denounce success?
    Unless you enjoy a high death toll (as in the USA – 200,000+ deaths), or more to the point, you’re posting on Catallaxy, which is daily the theatre of the absurd.

  132. Gab

    we still live under the Rule of Law.

    For the Chief Catallaxy Conspiracy theorist, you are rather naive, Anne.

  133. Leigh Lowe

    Please, just watch the damn video.

    Uh-oh.
    Here we go again.

  134. John64

    270 whales stranded on a sandbar

    The ADF needs to immediately mobilise helicopters carrying 60 Tonnes of chips and 40 Tonnes of coleslaw.

    (h/t the late, great Graham Kennedy)

  135. notafan

    Copy cat from Toowoomba

    Again

  136. areff

    ‘…all they produce is a load of f***ing other whales and all they eat is is f***ing plankton’

  137. Farmer Gez

    1735099
    #3593662, posted on September 22, 2020 at 10:10 am
    “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?

    Given that the 14 day average infection rate has dropped to 32, and there were 28 new cases today, his actions are working.
    Now tell me, why would you denounce success?
    Unless you enjoy a high death toll (as in the USA – 200,000+ deaths), or more to the point, you’re posting on Catallaxy, which is daily the theatre of the absurd.

    And just like that, the hotel quarantine disaster never happened.
    It’s called dementia old timer.

  138. Bar Beach Swimmer

    1735099
    #3593475, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:50 am
    RBG had plenty of admirers in Israel

    Why is this important? Like every other place under the sun, outside of America, Israel doesn’t get to select or vote on a nomination for a justice of the Supreme Court.

    It’s funny, really, numbers spends most of his time when the subject of Israel comes up, bagging the place and making despicable insinuations. I remember one very nasty one he made earlier in the year(?) using an ABC video of some decades old (Mater, tell me how to find it, please).

    So now, what is it? Some people in Israel – in a newspaper report – quite like and respect her. Had that article been the opposite then numbers’ confirmation bias would have been on high alert and he would have reverted to attacking the country.

    Numbers encapsulates the problem with the left: everything is viewed through a prism of good vs bad and, then, when the fact/message/report does not fit the narrative, reversed.

    Message to numbers; if you respect a person, any person, say so, but don’t seek around for support from other quarters and especially from individuals and groups who are usually your opponents, as if that will sway everyone else.

    btw, RBG, may have been a good and respect judge on the Supreme Court, but that is an entirely different thing from arguing/suggesting that her wishes before death should in any way be imposed on America. In most rational minds the dead don’t get a vote; but that’s right, I forgot, you support a side of politics that will do anything to get their people elected, even use the deceased. You want to know what’s right and wrong in this world, numbers, take a long hard look at the despicable left.

  139. Leigh Lowe

    You are Radio Rental. Not all your dogs are barking. A nuffie. Booey. Ken Bruce.

    [Gentlepeople.
    Can I ask that you show a modicum of care and understanding to the assorted spazzos and nut-jobs who turn up here from time to time?
    Thank you.
    Sinc]

  140. notafan

    Oddly some people suspect that had not the Victorian government not created the hotel quarantine fiasco under the cover of state of emergency powers we would now be in stage covid normal.

    And that even with that monumental screw up a decent track and trace process would have rendered any lockdown unnecessary.

    Remember 99% of cases can be traced back to the quarantine hotels.

    Meanwhile five million people continue to suffer.

  141. Gab

    “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?

    No point asking him that question. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool Labor voter. Nothing, but nothing will change his mind. That would be too rational and involves facing the truth and using logic.

  142. Anne

    The Police are acting unlawfully when they stop you for not wearing a mask and demand information from you and you have the right to turn the tables and arrest them.’

    I wouldn’t encourage people to try to arrest the police. In my mind that would make for a great comedy skit but they’d probably respond with deadly force so exercise that right at your own risk.

    I’m saying the Police don’t know the Law and we should be educating them about how to conduct themselves lawfully when dealing with the public.

  143. Makka

    Morrison and his cabinet get ample, ample air time if they want it. All the main radio channels, the news outlets, daytime and morning tellie, print media etc. They have ample access. The biggest access. This is still where mainstream Australia gets it’s news. Twitter is a confused sewer.

    Has Morrison or his cabinet come out publicly any time in the last month to 6 weeks and denounced Dan’s total lockdown? Has Morrison in any way opposed VikPol’s abhorrent actions in the same way Dan has supported them?Is Morrison standing in front of the press saying what a bunch of c***s VikPol are for accosting Australian grannies, breaking into pvt property, choking women, arresting and accosting pregnant mums etc. They and we are Australians’ yes? Dan gets up daily and cheers his Blackshirt thugs on.

    So NO, Morrison is in fact a gutless squib and he and his Govt or cowards are essentially absolutely silent in effect on this totalitarian Vic Govt. Because Scummo too is scared of the polls and because he has to agree with it all because he is the incredibly stupid fkwit that put this all in train at the beginning.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No point asking him that question. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool Labor voter. Nothing, but nothing will change his mind. That would be too rational and involves facing the truth and using logic.

    Wasn’t Bob unearthed as a Greens voter?

  145. Makka

    1735099
    #3593475, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:50 am
    RBG had plenty of admirers in Israel

    So is Socialism. Very popular.

  146. notafan

    Makka and you know this because?

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    Given that the 14 day average infection rate has dropped to 32, and there were 28 new cases today, his actions are working. Now tell me, why would you denounce success?

    Yep, sure are. Not only has he set up a down-under version of East Germany in record time but is ramming through legislation for his very own Stazi. He even called his movement controls the Ring of Steel, which is one better than an Iron Curtain.

  148. Tintarella di Luna

    thanks Shy Ted — the Las Supper one I sent to my brother who wanted to know the fine was — I told him in this case it was pretty severe with not much change out of a crucifixion.

  149. Gab

    Wasn’t Bob unearthed as a Greens voter?

    Same-same.

  150. JC

    Dunno about “Bob”, Rones. Where do you stand on apartheid?

  151. notafan

    Twitter works very well for Trump btw.

    Following those you like.

    Its like subscribing to a newsletter.

  152. Tim Neilson

    Given that the 14 day average infection rate has dropped to 32, and there were 28 new cases today, his actions are working.

    In much the same way as self-amputation “works” to free someone who stupidly rolled a boulder on top of themselves in the wilderness.

  153. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Mater, I was just going to give KD a clap for Henry V but your contribution, why that’s gold!

    No new parody can stand against that. And the beauty is that more verses may be added post that time and space; perhaps the great movie event of To Kill a Mockingbird or the, I was there when the first boat people turned up. Why the list could go on and on.😁

  154. Rex Anger

    Wasn’t Bob unearthed as a Greens voter?

    Our mate Bob (aka Numbers, or Jack Hunt when he’s feeling safe… 🤫) probably doesn’t care for the colour, as long as it tastes like Communism.

  155. Tintarella di Luna

    This might be just me, but statistically, while there are bound to be some in this forum who can attest to a different experience,

    My hand is up.

  156. Some History

    At today’s presser, the Hunchback is in full obfuscation mode.

  157. Zatara

    RBG, may have been a good and respect judge on the Supreme Court

    Not in the least.

    RBG was a self-admitted leftist activist who wore robes. She wanted the seat for the power it gave her to enforce her left-wing, anti-Constitutional viewpoints and said so more than once.

    She was the very essence of abuse of power and position.

  158. Some History

    At today’s presser, the Hunchback is in full obfuscation mode.

    i.e., things are normal. 🙂

  159. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3593671, posted on September 22, 2020 at 10:17 am”

    Hear hear BBS. You have nailed the racist beautifully.

  160. Cassie of Sydney

    “Morrison is in fact a gutless squib and he and his Govt or cowards are essentially absolutely silent”

    Well said.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘we should be educating them about how to conduct themselves lawfully when dealing with the public’

    I’ve changed my mind. Using phrases like ‘maritime law’, ‘I do not consent’, ‘you are a private corporation’, ‘freeman on the land’ and ‘travelling in my conveyance’ are sure to do the trick.

    Make sure, though, you bring along some butchers’ paper, an easel and different coloured whiteboard markers for the syndicate work component.

  162. Anne

    we still live under the Rule of Law.

    For the Chief Catallaxy Conspiracy theorist, you are rather naive, Anne.

    You probably don’t even see the ironic absurdity in this statement.

  163. Terry Pedersen

    But he did give everyone in America Covid.

    Not everyone. Yet. As @ 22 Sep 20:

    USA COVID-19 Cases = 7,045,615
    USA COVID-19 Deaths = 204,469

    “Everyone” is a coming attraction.

  164. Mother Lode

    These Vikplods always seem to travel in packs.

    Would donut baits work?

  165. candy

    I’m in two minds about the aged care dancing. Much…much Karening going on there.

    lol, more like young attractive nurses showing up in an Indian costume to show off their curvy attractions.
    Given the nursing homes are the most vulnerable to infections, it seems risky in confined quarters. It is what we are constantly told.

    Why not just escort, or wheelchair residents out to a beautiful sunny park with lovely gardens and fresh air and a sing song out there and bit of a picnic. All spaced out and “safe”. Being cooped up is horrible.

  166. Terry Pedersen

    How many USA COVID-19 deaths by Election Day, Nov 3? 250,000? 300,000?

    Doom seems to me appropriate music.

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    Indictments unsealed! ‘Army tanks’ in the streets!

    Gitmo! Tunnels!

    Leather shoes!

  168. calli

    Legion loves to quote me. I have to be careful lest vanity comes a-knocking. 😄

  169. Knuckle Dragger

    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    Apparently Trump had a meeting with Amy Coney Barrett yesterday. Dems will be hitting roman candle levels of head explodeyness shortly.

    Gingrich summarizes why succinctly.

    I think she should change her name to Cthulhu. Why should Trump nominate a lesser evil?

  171. Anne

    You get what you put up with Victoria.

    These Cabal controlled puppets are trying to impose Totalitarian rule over us.

    We outnumber them 10,000 to 1. How hard is it to pick a side?

    Rise up!

    https://twitter.com/yellowcube7/status/1308024325790773248?s=21

  172. calli

    Chuckle. One of the comments on Bruce’s link about Barrett:

    Is she literally Hitler yet?

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    How many USA COVID-19 deaths by Election Day, Nov 3? 250,000? 300,000?

    More than 200 million of course.
    Surely you believe Joe?
    Up from only 120 million in June.
    Now where did I leave my nuclear football?

  174. feelthebern

    Twitter tells me there’s been a lot of Breonna Taylor documents released.
    Google tells me there’s nothing new today.

  175. incoherent rambler

    Come on folks, follow me as we march into the valley of death … guys? …. guys? … hello ?

    Its a tough job being a revolution leader.

  176. Tim Neilson

    Terry Pedersen
    #3593700, posted on September 22, 2020 at 10:41 am
    But he did give everyone in America Covid.

    Not everyone. Yet. As @ 22 Sep 20:

    USA COVID-19 Cases = 7,045,615
    USA COVID-19 Deaths = 204,469

    Yes it was disgraceful when Trump ordered that NY aged care homes had to admit COVID 19 carriers.

    “Everyone” is a coming attraction.

    Actually, given the minuscule lethality of the virus to anyone healthy and younger than 60, giving it to “everyone” with certain obvious exceptions would be an “attraction”. Herd immunity and all that.

  177. Some History

    Hunchback: “There can be no economic repair until the virus has been defeated”.

  178. Tim Neilson

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3593708, posted on September 22, 2020 at 10:50 am

    Barrett would be great if you wanted to live in Venezuela with no abortions.
    She’s publicly said she’d recuse herself from any decision where she’d have to vote against Catholic doctrine, and given what Pope Trotsky I is doing to Catholic doctrine you’re essentially resurrecting RBG minus the Planned Parenthood bit.

  179. Tim Neilson

    Hunchback: “There can be no economic repair until the virus has been defeated”.

    Did he really say that?

  180. Some History

    Hunchback: “There can be no economic repair until the virus has been defeated”.

    Did he really say that?

    He said it a few times in response to questioning this morning.

  181. Makka

    Hunchback: “There can be no economic repair until the virus has been defeated”.

    Until he gets the ethnics in Casey under control, he can forget defeating the virus. Vic’s 6 million now hostages of the Afghanis. Fmd.

  182. rickw

    National Police Remembrance Day.

    Never forget what Vikpol did in 2020:

    https://imgur.com/gallery/RBMwIMz

  183. Zatara

    These cops are acting unlawfully when they stop you and demand your details.

    Practice this script:

    “Do you know the law?”

    “I don’t need a license, I’m a sovereign citizen”

    “I’m operating in a not for hire capacity!”

    “Don’t you know the law?”

    “Don’t break my window! Don’t break my window! Don’t break my window!”

    “EAHEAHEAHEAH”.

    Please, just watch the damn video.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tim – I’m hoping for Barrett, Lagoa and Thapar simultaneously.
    Dems are openly threatening to expand Scotus.
    So why not do it now, if that’s what they want to do?
    It would be fun! I’d run out of popcorn though.

  185. feelthebern

    Big business are already signing/renewing leases in Melbourne office property.
    Look for more exemptions for big business.
    Small/medium business farked until Dan says enough.

  186. mh

    Mr Andrews said Melbourne’s first significant step out of lockdown on Sunday night “isn’t settled”.

    “That is a matter that will be informed by the data I have just reported, plus tomorrow’s numbers, and so on and so forth,” he said.

    The state is on track for minor restrictions easing this Sunday including the opening of outdoor pools, childcare and some schools levels resuming and the allowance of public gatherings of up to five people from two different households.

    Asked if that meant businesses would only get a day’s notice, he said the government was in “deep conversations and ongoing conversations” with industry representatives.

    “I wish I could provide an absolutely definitive answer today [about] what was going to happen,” he said.

    “That is not the nature of this thing. There are many wicked things to this virus.”

  187. Cassie of Sydney

    “Hunchback: “There can be no economic repair until the virus has been defeated”.”

    He is happy to destroy Victoria.

  188. cohenite

    The vile troll still lying about victoristan and the hunchback and saying the US is worse in respect of the chunk virus. What a liar it is.

  189. Farmer Gez

    According to Neil Mitchell an open letter signed by fourteen retired barristers and judges is in circulation opposing the Omnibus Bill before the upper house that seeks to detain civilians without access to a court.

    Can’t find it yet but a bombshell squarely aimed at the Dictator
    They should demand that Jill Hennessy be struck off as well.

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can’t find it yet but a bombshell squarely aimed at the Dictator

    Posted over on the other thread, Farmer Gez.

  191. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?
    We need you to denounce his bill to arrest anyone they feel like, without the use of police even just lefty public servants.
    We need a statement from you that you detest such actions and stand against this tyranny.
    Put it in writing here, Bob
    .”

    Still no comment from the racist. His silence speaks a thousand words.

  192. Farmer Gez

    Posted over on the other thread, Farmer Gez.

    Good O.

  193. feelthebern

    Emmys ratings from yesterday, 5.5mill.
    Down from 6.3mill in 2019.
    The Hollywood bubble continues to shrink.

  194. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    David
    6 minutes ago
    So no sign of Julian Burnside, Mark Dreyfus, Robert Richter, Robert Redlich, any other Commonwealth or State Attorney-General, Liberty Victoria, AHRC, Castan Centre for Human Rights, etc? I’m trying really hard to be surprised.

    Comment from the Oz, on the fourteen legal brains, who wrote to Dan Andrews.

  195. Tim Neilson


    Tim – I’m hoping for Barrett, Lagoa and Thapar simultaneously.
    Dems are openly threatening to expand Scotus.
    So why not do it now, if that’s what they want to do?
    It would be fun! I’d run out of popcorn though.

    That would be world class trolling. The Orange God-emperor might at least tweet that he’s thinking of it.

  196. feelthebern

    330mill Americans.
    5.5mill watched the scum slap each other on the back.
    Trump-slide 2020.

  197. Some History

    There seems to be another virus at work.

    Key symptom: It produces selective amnesia in public serpents.

  198. Dr Faustus

    I understand that Amy Coney Barrett was a member of a drinking club at Notre Dame and there are numerous complaints that she is no better than she should be.

    And being something of a babe, she probably has had relations with Trump.

  199. gafa

    Recent research into why certain politicians fared favourably in polls ,even after being caught out lying , suggested that prominence made them appear more trustworthy.

    Also kind of ties in with what Jeff’s saying today at News.com au

    “…Despite the criticism, the latest polling shows support for Mr Andrews has surged.

    Mr Kennett however said he wasn’t surprised.
    “When you have people in situations of stress they always look to their leaders to actually be able to guide them to a safe place,” he said.
    “We are being guided because the government has failed and I’ve always said that the aftermath of the coronavirus is going to be a lot more serious than, in fact, the coronavirus itself…”

  200. Old School Conservative

    RBG was a self-admitted leftist activist

    She must have been gutted that she was actually the second woman on the Supreme Court – behind Sandra Day O’Connor who was nominated by – gasp – President Reagan.
    Beaten by the Republicans again.

  201. Boambee John

    you’re posting on Catallaxy, which is daily the theatre of the absurd.

    In which theatre the bin chicken has a leading role.

  202. Dr Faustus

    Couple fined for holiday they took a year ago

    Victorian authorities will review all infringements given for coronavirus rule breaches after another mix-up saw a couple fined more than $3000 for a holiday they went on a year ago.

    “I was a bit shocked she [the WPC] didn’t even say anything. She just handed me the fines and walked off,” Ms Mott told A Current Affair.

    Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said: “We are human, we got it wrong.”

    So, no problem, just an individual constable mistakenly overstepping – not an organisational fuck up of any sort.
    Good luck with the Omnibus, Victoria.

  203. Bar Beach Swimmer

    The point is federal government MPs are making public statements on social media, which is precisely what Trump does

    Nota, however sincere she maybe, to coin a phrase, Sarah Henderson is no Donald Trump.

    I just read Makka’s comment: there’s nothing on TV – on Sky – that I’ve seen. No comments from any of them.

    And as for the PM, he should have made a public address by now. Instead, he’s still inside the National(?) Cabinent thingy. There’s been a few comments here referring to Stockholm Syndrome, well, he’s fully captive to it while he stays a part of it.

    Others may argue that you should never get in the way of your enemy when they’re blowing themselves up – (Napoleon?) but by allowing this to continue he’s facilitating and enhancing the wanton destruction.

  204. Boambee John

    “That is not the nature of this thing. There are many wicked things to this virus.”

    Including Dan of the Dead and Vicpol.

  205. Oh come on

    If you want to hear some informed insider commentary on RBG (not the legal genius almost everyone is presently crediting her as being), the upcoming SCOTUS pick, who would be best (esp why Amy Coney Barrett is not the strongest choice and could well turn out to be a Roberts in Scalia clothing) AND how to pick reliable judges who won’t turn into Souters when they hit the bench, I strongly recommend you listen to Robert Barnes’s take.

    It’s well worth your time if the above interests you.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hypocrite of the day goes to John Hewson.

    Tax cuts for COVID ‘naive’, former Liberal leader John Hewson says in new budget campaign (21 Sep)

    Dr Hewson is among the critics ramping up pressure on the government to instead spend on infrastructure, services, or shoring up a long-term boost to welfare payments.

    Dr Hewson – the Coalition’s leader between 1990 and 1994, and now a vocal critic of his party’s federal direction in recent years – has lent his voice to a campaign from progressive think tank The Australia Institute.

    Meanwhile Dr Hewson (for a Dr he is) wants to spend the punters’ money on infrastructure.

    “Introducing a long-term infrastructure bond with a government guaranteed coupon would be an attractive fixed-income investment for Australian super funds who collectively hold almost $3 trillion in capital, as well as many large overseas investors,” said Dr Hewson, also a director of Is lamic investment group Crescent Wealth.

    I take that to mean he doesn’t like the punters withdrawing their super money either. I’ve also a sneaking suspicion about what he thinks the infrastructure should be, since he’s a global worming bedwetter.

    Here’s my take Dr Hewson: let the people spend their money on what they want to spend it on. And let them have more of it back. Tax is theft, which seems to be something wet Libs are very good at.

  207. gafa

    Dan Andrews to restrict the sale of all real-estate within the ring of steel perimeter to new builds only for 2 years once the lockdown is lifted.

    Apparently this is to prevent 48% of the voting population all selling at the same time and moving to Toowoomba resulting in a disastrous collapse of the real estate market and a potential massive loss of taxation revenue from the soon to be announced new vicdanistan taxes, fees and levies (obviously some special exemptions will apply).

    #recurringnightmare

  208. Bushkid

    “That is not the nature of this thing. There are many wicked things to this virus.”

    Indeed, and Dan Andrews is the most wicked of them all, closely followed by his goon squads!

  209. My BIL lost his SA piggery during the Weatherall dictatorship.
    The animal fascists were constantly invading his property. Police did nothing.
    The thugs were in criminal conspiracy with a number of Environment and Ag public servants who took their false evidence and faked film as gospel and launched endless investigations and charges.
    He gave up and has never recovered.
    He has provided hard evidence of the conspiracy to the Marshall alternative Labor Government but is ignored. The experience owns him, sadly.

  210. old bloke

    A Father’s Shame

    Scene: A Melbourne suburban lawn bowls club, old Jack sits at the window with a beer in his hand.

    Old George enters: “G’day Jack, how’ya going?”

    “I’m fine thanks George, how’s things going with you”

    “Not bad Jack, thanks, how’s that boy of yours, haven’t seen him around for a while”

    Old Jack hesitates to answer, then in a low voice he says “Things aren’t going well for him George, he’s in prison for theft and assault”

    “that’s too bad Jack” says George, and as he departs “Hope that he sorts things out soon”

    Old Jack sits quietly, looking out the window. If he was to be observed, he would be seen quietly sobbing into his beer, for Jack knows the truth, the horrible, shameful truth – his son wears the uniform of the Victorian Police Force.

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