The Melbourne Syndrome revisited

Let me take you back to my post of August 6:

The Covid pandemic has brought on our modern version of The Stockholm Syndrome: “feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor.” We now have the Melbourne Syndrome, which I come across versions of every day:

Feelings of trust or affection felt during a lockdown by its victims towards their most authoritarian political leaders.

Since Melbourne has now implemented the hardest lockdown at the hands of the dumbest and most incompetent political leader in the world, I believe that Melbourne should have the honour of bearing the name of this widely observed form of insanity.

And what do we find in the papers today: Victoria backs Dan Andrews in Newspoll.

A majority of Victorians have backed Daniel Andrews’ management of the second COVID-19 outbreak, with two-thirds of voters across the country also rating the state’s lockdown as “about right”.

Lots of reasons for this gross stupidity, but a deep insight into the actual risks of the coronavirus is non-existent. I meet up with these people all the time, who will quote oceans of stats on Sweden and Florida to prove that we are doing well here in Victoria and it’s all thanks to Dan. I suppose democracy works after a fashion, but these totalitarians have worked out ways to deceive half the population plus one in one election after another.

And not necessarily the stupider ones since there are plenty of college professors who vote for parties of the left and will on no account ever do anything else.

Meanwhile, the State goes further into bankruptcy. If ever there were a project that will never cover its costs, this is the one, with this the latest news: West Gate Tunnel’s toxic soil removal to cost Victorian taxpayers up to $750m.

Taxpayers are set to fork out hundreds of millions of dollars to help get rid of West Gate Tunnel’s toxic soil.The state government will stump up the extra cash to move and store contaminated soil that has stalled the $6.7 billion project for almost a year.

Why people vote for parties of the left is beyond me. Do they really believe they will become better off with such massive waste as the hallmark of government.

Honestly how off the planet do you have to be to believe we are in danger of global warming along with this pandemic? Yet there these people are, as filled with fear and ignorance as it is possible to be, ready to follow the single most incompetent political leader we have ever had into both poverty and a police state.

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67 Responses to The Melbourne Syndrome revisited

  1. the sting

    In a special sitting of the Victorian parliament to increase our debt by $ 24 billion it came to light that cost overruns and budget blowouts by just one minister , Jacinta Allan , Minister for level crossings, Transport etc . were $ 27 billion .

  2. Lee

    Lots of reasons for this gross stupidity, but a deep insight into the actual risks of the coronavirus is non-existent. I meet up with these people all the time, who will quote oceans of stats on Sweden and Florida to prove that we are doing well here in Victoria and it’s all thanks to Dan.

    It’s simple, just ask these utter morons, if Dictator Dan is doing such a great job, and Victoria is doing so well, then explain why Victoria has 700 more deaths than the rest of Australia combined, despite the harshest, most extreme restrictions in practically the whole Western world?
    And those second wave deaths are only because of Dictator Dan’s horrible bungling of the hotel security business, for which he, as premier, owns full responsibility.
    Praising or supporting Andrews is like doing the same for the prisons minister who somehow allows killers and hardened crims to escape and kill, but then clamps down hard afterwards on the general public.
    I can’t believe so many of my fellow Victorians are so stupid, and incapable of rational thinking.

  3. MACK

    In fact that toxic soil is not toxic. PFAS is firefighting foam, and only the Victorian firefighters union thinks it’s toxic. So the union puppets running the state declare it is too, and taxpayers are fleeced again.

  4. Rafiki

    Will Andrews announce that Chinese businesses would provide the money and the skills to build the tunnel (and more besides) if only Morrison would permit. (In return for vaguely worded concessions). If Morrison blocks him, would the Victorian Coalition
    MPs be routed at the next federal election, and thereby deliver Labor control of both Houses?If this scenario in part explains Andrews policies, the numbers of Victorians who support them will be very good news to Labor.

  5. No Victorian I know, living in city, or country, would think Andrews’ plan is OK. Of course, some form of lockdown was necessary to bring the case load down because of grossly inadequate tracing capabilities.

  6. Aethelred

    Maybe the peasants thought the government was doing OK during the Black Death, but the peasants revolt only kicked-off in 1381 when the government decided to raise taxes.

    I would anticipate a review of performance after not during the current pandemic.

  7. Rossini

    Is this why battered wives go back to their husband?

  8. Rossini

    Is the virus a death sentence for those under 60+??
    if not why the hell are we shut up like chooks at night!

  9. John A

    Here is what I have just sent to the local member on the government side regarding the Omnibus Amendment Bill:

    Dear XXXX,
    with copies to Opposition and Crossbench MLCs

    I am writing once again to express my concerns and opposition to the exercise of dictatorial powers by the Premier and his inner Cabinet.

    Having seen the extension of emergency powers enacted in defiance of the original limit of six months, we now see yet another request by the Premier to further expand those powers.

    That is, despite assurances that these powers would be restrained to the present “crisis” which is already abating (see this chart: https://www.covid19data.com.au/recoveries), the Premier is seeking even more powers than envisaged previously – greater than wartime measures in some instances.

    These powers include a significant expansion of the number and class of persons eligible to be appointed as authorised officers delegated to carry out the directions and enforce the orders of the Secretary of the Department of Health.

    They also include a power to detain and arrest persons who have not committed any offence but whom an authorised officer believes may commit an offence. And these are being added by this Bill to existing powers of entry, search and seizure without warrant or cause.

    Since there is no indication that the medical profession is being supported by release of hydroxychloroquine from restrictions under the Poisons Act, so that they have more opportunities to attack the virus itself, this makes it appear as if the government is recruiting an army to fight against the people it is meant to be serving, rather than fighting a virus.

    Once again, we see a government incapable of trusting the people it is meant to be serving, and in fact, seeking to dominate and control. What a travesty of the Westminster system!

    You and your fellow government members should be ashamed to have so abrogated your responsibilities and betrayed your oath of office.

    I again urge the removal of the Premier forthwith.

  10. Entropy

    Given the poll, I would suggest dictator dan isn’t as stupid as you think. He just has completely different priorities than you. They don’t have to be the right priorities, just the ones that matter to him.

  11. yarpos

    Heard a lady on regional community radio the other day. Gertrude, she had called in the talk segment and was gushing about how Dan was keeping us all safe and how concerned she was that we all werent locked down enough. She has become an adjective in our house now, whenever we hear one of those numpties its “oh, just another Gertrude”

    There is a good chunk of the population that loves to be told what to do and how to live their lives and who are really quite lost if left to their own devices.

  12. Anonandon

    And what are you going to do about it?

    I’m planning on leaving for what it is worth.

  13. incoherent rambler

    Dear Reichfuhrer Andrews,

    Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.

  14. nb

    ‘Honestly how off the planet do you have to be to believe we are in danger of global warming along with this pandemic? Yet there these people are as filled with fear and ignorance as it is possible to be, ready to follow the single most incompetent political leader we have ever had into both poverty and a police state’
    It is saddening. China ALP.
    Potential alternative solutions include:
    Zinc, ionophores, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, quercetin, anti-virals, azithromycin, doxycycline, MATH+, B3, (even Glycyrrhizin: Lancet 2003), Sweden.
    Freedom.

  15. stevem

    The only explanation I can see is that a majority of the population has been scared out of their wits by Corona and the frenzy the media have created. They see going out of their home safety zone and getting within 1.5 m of another person as the scariest thing they can do.
    Dan has saved them. They are saved from interacting with anybody going to/from work or being at work itself. Not only that, but Dan has ensured that if they do go out there are as few people to be forced to interact with as possible.
    For these hopelessly ill-informed dolts Dan is an absolute saviour. His media will whip up the resulting economic chaos as being the result of the Federal government and shift the blame. Many people, still on their Dan high, will believe every word.

  16. Speedbox

    Rossini
    #3593888, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Certainly not! In fact, no woman under 50 in Australia has died from COVID, and only 4 men. Under 60 the lethality rate is much less than 1% for both men and women infected. Lethality is very high for those over 90 years (40% for men; 25% for women) but this should also be seen in context with the life expectancy rate (82 for men; 85 for women) in Australia. That is not to say that those elderly don’t deserve to live longer, but as we age our immune systems become more compromised.

    The other aspect is co-morbidity. As far as I can tell, every victim of COVID had at least one serious co-morbidity and some of the deceased had several. Preliminary figures suggest that the average deceased had 2.4 co-morbidities although that is not confirmed.

    As an example, one of the men under 50 years who died was morbidly overweight, a diabetic with a history of heart problems, a known heavy drinker and he smoked! I’m sorry for his family – I’m sure their upset – but he was (and still is) listed as a death as a consequence of COVID. Draws a long bow.

    COVID is a bastard of a disease if your elderly or infirm. It might kill you. But, for the overwhelmingly vast majority of the population, it is not lethal.

  17. Colonel Crispin Berka

    What are you dooooing blaming poor mistreated Daniel Andrews.
    Here in Qld we have unearthed the true culprits in the spread of Covid19.
    Bloody golfers.
    It’s not enough they have to ruin a nice park with their dangerous projectiles, now they have to ruin our age care and economy too.

    Yeah.

    Yeah.

    And you know what?

    Now you’re gonna die wearing that stupid little hat!

  18. Pickles

    Half plus one of the electorate is either directly or indirectly on the Government tit. At the risk of being the harbinger of doom, we’re doomed.

  19. duncanm

    The delusion goes deeper than that.

    Many people are scared. All they do is listen to (and trust) the MSM: “thousands dying – aieeeeee”.

    When you try to talk some sense and statistics into them – equivalent to a bad flu season, death rates are just perceptible above the background mortality rate, etc. – you get nowhere.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that 2/3 of the population is genuinely stupid when it comes to rationally looking at the risks in the world.

    Spend any time in a typical community group organisation (sports, whatever), and you’ll come to the same conclusion I have.

  20. Steve

    How do they get away with it?

    Well thr aztecs used to cut out peopkes hearts to maintain fear in the population…here we use the MSM and covid…no difference…both a fear based belief system based on nothing…

    The common factor is ruthless leaders, human ignorance and in some cases wilful stupidity…..

  21. duncanm

    MACK
    #3593875, posted on September 22, 2020 at 1:48 pm
    In fact that toxic soil is not toxic. PFAS is firefighting foam, and only the Victorian firefighters union thinks it’s toxic.

    nup. DoD is managing a whole bunch of PFAS claims at RAAF Williamtown. eeeeepa

  22. Steve

    Rossini

    The festh rate for people , all over aged 65, was 2%, hospitalizations was about 6%, icu about 4%. The figures rarely changed tegardless of the number of cases.

    Covid is a pussy. Its a con.

  23. min

    No Stockholm Syndrome for the teachers and students of the two famous hostage situations in 1972 and 1977 in country Victoria , not even any counselling afterwards either in those days . Victorians would not be diagnosed with this syndrome today in my view, PTSD down the track maybe, many suffering from loss and grief also. Stockholm Syndrome is remarkable rare as subsequent research in later hostage situations has shown. PTSD was not even in DSM until late 80s . From memory when there were lots of bank robberies in Melbourne when I was doing what it was called back then Crisis counselling and at some stage PTSD was recognised so did the necessary training for diagnosis and treatment.
    Propaganda and concern about us oldies have influenced many but bet not many even watch Dan’s daily performance . Too many really stressed Victorians out there with no resilience in teens and some kids

  24. Biota

    Steve, sorry you have to live there but the more deranged lefties congregate in Victoria the better off the rest of us are. Worth the price really.

  25. Rohan

    A majority of Victorians have backed Daniel Andrews’ management of the second COVID-19 outbreak, with two-thirds of voters across the country also rating the state’s lockdown as “about right”.

    I now believe that the the polling conducted is done as a Marxist propaganda exercise, even in a publication like The Australian. The majority of people I know or deal with on a personal or professional basis, thinks that Dan has done an aweful job. Yes, I know a few, maybe 3-4 out of 10 who thinks he’s wonderful, or are ambivalent, or fearful of COVID so are happy to hunker down in the safety of their loungerooms.

    But I also know a few rusted-ons who have sworn they’ll never vote ALP again because of Andrews.

    Polling is now an exercise in getting out the message of the left and conflating that with re-enforcing their position on any policy or issue at hand. Polls are now nothing else but a propagander tool. “Look you’re wrong, the polls say so! Dan is Great, see!? The people have spoken!”

    I’m going to write a post for the Cat in the not too distant future on why I believe this is the case and use actual data to support my position. And that data will be in relation to the 2019 federal election and the Presidential election in the US. If you know what the data is and where it’s sourced from and the questions asked, then it makes perfect sense. You just know how to interpret the data.

    Put money on Orange Man Bad winning by the biggest number of EC’s you can get, because of the real world data I’ve seen. Last time I looked, Sportsbet was 19:1 for 350+ EC’s. If you can spare $20 or $50, it’s a good bet.

  26. Michel Lasouris

    c’mon…don’t be too harsh on the Victorians. They are, after all, Orstrayanns. They are so dumb that it hasn’t occurred to them that c. 90% of covid deaths happened in Victorya (900+) while a mere 10% ( about 100) died in the rest of Orstrayia.
    Why is this so?”
    “cos Danny boy employed “guards” for quarantine venues from the ranks of the unemployable, and refused to stop a commie rabble ( black lives matter) tol riot without safeguards of social distancing and masks. these morons defied the law ( however misguided) at the ENCOURAGEMENT of the jugged-eared hunch back.
    Hope Andrews is sued in a large class action for misdemeanor causing multiple deaths

  27. Speedbox

    When you try to talk some sense and statistics into them – equivalent to a bad flu season, death rates are just perceptible above the background mortality rate, etc. – you get nowhere.

    Exactly. In any normal week, about 3,000 people die in Australia – every week. COVID is allegedly responsible for about 850 deaths over the past 7 months.

    By the way, does anyone else remember that the early models predicted COVID as a ‘population depleting event’. Don’t hear much about that these days.

  28. John of Mel

    I have regular discussions about current situation with an acquaintance of mine, Trump supporter, conservative Christian family man and not a fan of Dan Andrews. He supports the lockdowns. He likes his data and explains that his opinion is based purely on data. When I talk about Sweden, he replies something like this:

    “I’m asking you: how much more will you hate Dan Andrews if our curve looked like Sweden’s?
    Right now, all people are envying Swedes walking about in the park, not talking about the virus or the deaths (it’s taboo), and the people whose loved ones have died are being silenced by THEIR media because they HAVE to believe their method is “working”.
    Imagine if Victoria was like that: everyone pretending that everything’s honky-dory. How much more would you hate Dan Andrews? How much more will you feel that we’re in a socialist/communist/Stalinist dictatorship (paintings, photos and videos of just “happy” people despite the deaths happening in the background)?
    Thank God we’re not doing the Sweden Method. Like how Communism killed more people than Nazism, Sweden is a more dangerous place health-wise than even Victoria.”

    I’m not sure how to answer to this. I think he is simply scared.

  29. Professor Fred Lenin

    And Biden has a 107 per cent aproval rate,Hilarity only had 102 per cent .
    Polls and modelling for the truth right?

  30. H B Bear

    Suddenly a $23bn desal plant to produce no water looks like pretty good value.

  31. Weeny

    Lets face it they voted him back in after he spent 1 billion dollars not building a road. Shows the comibined IQ of victoria is not much above its speed limits.

  32. cuckoo

    No Stockholm Syndrome for the teachers and students of the two famous hostage situations in 1972 and 1977 in country Victoria , not even any counselling afterwards either in those days .

    I’ve heard somewhere that Lindsay Thompson, the Victorian Minister for Education, went to the football in the afternoon of the same day on which he had earlier acted as (armed) bagman in the Faraday School kidnapping of 1972, which ended in the freeing of the children and apprehension of the kidnappers. Can you see anyone on any side of politics with that kind of balls today?

  33. Shane

    Martin Armstrong nails it once again
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/britain/the-global-usurpation-of-power-underway/

    ”..The English Bill of Rights (1689), states: “it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal.” Yet, by pretending these lockdowns are for your own protection instead of banning protests and thereby adopting the strategy of Julius Caesar, divide and conquer, they are taking all our freedoms and once such power is exercised, it is never relinquished without revolution.

    Governments are simply incapable of proper management of society, for every action they take is to retain their own power. They will not act in the self-interest of the people or the nation. It is not that they may even do this in a knowing manner. They simply think they are preserving the nation when that to them is government.

    Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” inspired the American Revolution. He wrote that government confounds the nation with themselves. There was never a more correct political statement ever said.

    Governments that makes mistakes never admit them. Instead, they will blame someone else, or in this case the virus, to justify whatever actions they take.

    Here is an English political token how they wanted to hang Paine for his words, and they sent a full army to try to capture Thomas Jefferson at his home…”

  34. thefrollickingmole

    Lets pretend you have a media outlet.
    A TV station for example.

    The government kills 3/4 of your advertisers in a month.
    The only think keeping you in profit is the sudden streams of gold issuing from the fundament of government as they whip up compliance for their decimation of the private sector.

    Its not Stockholm, its self interest.

    Craven sods.

    And for your own sanity dont put “cavid failure of capitalism” in your googlebox unless you want crap like this…
    https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/opinion-capitalist-states-failed-during-covid-19-pandemic-wheres-the-failed-state-theory-now/352886
    The capitalist states like UK and USA have abandoned their constitutional responsibilities to protect citizens from the COVID-19 pandemic. The pestilence led lockdown impels to rethink, reflect and reject the Eurocentric ideological narratives of ‘Westphalian nation-states’; capitalist in letter and spirit. It is also the time to rewrite the ideological narratives and dominance of theso-called success stories of western states and their universalising tendencies of capitalism as only alternatives. In reality, capitalist states like; USA has not only failed to face the pandemic, the USDA under the Trump administration is making all efforts to strip away nutrition benefits from more than a million Americans who depend completely on food stamps. The United Kingdom under Boris Johnson led conservative government has failed to provide basic safety nets to frontline workers. The government is planning to further weaken the working class by freezing the wages, and removing triple lock system on pensions to fund the debt and cover the deficit due to Coronavirus crisis. This is morally indefensible but Malthusian capitalist state in UK lacks moral compass. The capitalist states in France, Italy and Spain have also failed to protect their citizens during this pandemic. These Westphalian states were formed to consolidate capitalism during mid 17th century but they failed miserably to face the challenges of public health crisis during 2020 Coronavirus pandemic. The failure shows the limits of the capitalist states and fallacies of failed state as a narrative. Thecountries like China, Cuba and Vietnam were successful because of their swift, scientific and collective response to the crisis. But this is unacceptable to the advocates of failed state thesis.

    So get that, because GOVERNMENT intervention wrecked businessess its obviously a failure of capitalism and we should go the full Mong herder.

  35. Dinky

    To paraphrase John Cleese, he’s the messiah, I should know, I’ve followed a few.

  36. Speedbox

    John of Mel
    #3593970, posted on September 22, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    Why the Sweden comparison? Going the full herd immunity path has never, that I’m aware, been seriously suggested in Australia (except for those on the absolute fringe).

    Going back to Jan/Feb, when nobody knew ‘what’ COVID would bring, everybody was concerned and lockdowns were seen as a reasonable pre-emptive response. However, by Mar/April it was clear, both here and overseas, that COVID was quite selective and that children had some ‘weird’ natural immunity but the elderly were noticeably at much greater risk. Evidence mounted by the day that those under 60 were at very low risk of mortality and even then, only those with serious co-morbidities.

    Early computer models were demonstrably wildly pessimistic and most epidemiologists walked back from their previous predictions. But still, many Governments doubled down. Governments had painted themselves into a corner and were partially influenced by the MSM (who love a good crisis) and CMOs who, quite frankly, didn’t seem to have much of an idea.

    In any event, unless your friend has accurate experience or knowledge on Sweden’s contact tracing and aged care facilities, it is impossible to make comparisons. Further, the pictures he refers to of happy Swedes cavorting in parks and pubs is a straw man argument. Those people are at zero risk of suffering from the disease due to their age and health. COVID may well be moderately infectious (more than a cold but less than the Spanish flu) but its lethality is effectively zero for that cohort.

    The other aspect is co-morbidity. As mentioned above, only those with serious co-morbidities appear to be at risk. The other aspect is whether those who died did so because of COVID or just with it. A few weeks ago the media played up some poor lady who died – it was quietly revealed some time later that the poor woman had stage 4 cancer! She had been through chemo, her immo was totally buggered and she was weeks from death – but she is (still) listed as a COVID death.

    The problem in this country is that our Governments have crushed the economy unnecessarily. We could have quarantined our elderly and infirm, but not collapse the economy. This was widely proposed but ignored by the PM and the Premiers.

    It bewilders me that some people seem to think that we can insulate an entire population, in a country like Australia, from a global pandemic. Death is inevitable just as elimination is impossible. Accept it and do the best to insulate those who are at the most risk.

    Lot more to be said but i don’t have time right now.

  37. gafa

    Many people are scared. All they do is listen to (and trust) the MSM: “thousands dying – aieeeeee”.

    It’s a media concept/tactic known as ‘flooding’ that was introduced and discussed at last years conference to which Australia’s representative Jane Halton ( 33-year career in the Australian public service including nearly 15 years as Secretary of the Department of Finance and Secretary of the Department of Health and Ageing) attended and at which she acknowledged and endorsed the use of flooding and narrative control in the MSM.
    Seems to be working.

  38. mem

    Rohan
    #3593951, posted on September 22, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    Polling is now an exercise in getting out the message of the left and conflating that with re-enforcing their position on any policy or issue at hand. Polls are now nothing else but a propagander tool. “Look you’re wrong, the polls say so! Dan is Great, see!? The people have spoken!”

    Newspoll extrapolates from a very small sample then feeds it to media saying this is what the whole of Victoria thinks. In this case the sample would have been about 300 people given 2068 nation wide. So the views of a locked in go to group are then used to feed the media chooks with look this is what Victorians think. I would have hoped that our host Sinclair had caught up with the Newspoll tricks but obviously not and falls for it each time and helps to promulgate the propaganda message. (PS Rohan if you need some support in doing a special post on the tricks of polls I am more than happy to assist. I have significant experience in managing such polls for a variety of clients,so know how it is done.)

  39. Colonel Crispin Berka

    reject the Eurocentric ideological narratives of ‘Westphalian nation-states’; capitalist in letter and spirit.

    I’ve been seeing this socialist reaction appearing recently too.
    Like this one for example, https://imgur.com/gallery/TobGerM , pointing out that people who can’t pay their rent shouldn’t be evicted,and there certainly shouldn’t be bailiff jobs going around evicting people, and then comments saying all this is the fault of capitalism.
    But capitalism didn’t design and build a genetically engineered virus in a Chinese government microbiology lab. Most airlines are private companies but that does not mean Capitalism spread the virus around the world. The pro-capitalist camp were the pro-business camp who wanted economic shutdowns to be lifted and get business back up and running and paying staff again, so maybe they could afford rent.
    The problem with totalitarians is they cannot understand that capitalism isn’t totalitarian and therefore is not in charge and responsible for absolutely every outcome that eventuates.

    But try telling the tankies that.
    Communism, the cause and solution to all of life’s problems.
    (Also, nobody saw my previous comment?)

  40. Gerry

    The tunnel may have to extend to Benalla! That’s where they’re building the massive concrete segments which will form it. Apparently, there are enough stored in Benalla for Labor to actually finish a project.
    It seems Dan got a brand new roadmap and said; ‘we’ll bring them down this road’, but then a staffer (since taken out and voluntarily suicided) interrupted, but that’s the Murray River.
    Soon, map straightened, it was unanimously decided, sorry that should read anonymously decided, that the Hume might be more expedient. Dan thought for a moment and exhaustedly exclaimed, ‘putting them on a barge! what a great idea’; the tea lady was heard to mutter “Highway you idiot, Hume Highway’
    An upstart, who no one had ever seen before, suggested it might help to find out where you are, and where you are going to. So, a committee was established and nobody has been allowed to ask any questions about it since, cos its sub judice.
    I know, I know, said (Redacted). Let’s build a train line. Again, everyone said they may have voted.
    It’s now 12 months later and Bill the Steam Shovel hasn’t turned a sod.
    In fact the Victorian Tourism Minister has taken over the job because he can read a roadmap and the concrete will find its way to Melbourne on a route loosely followed by Burke and Wills, at a cost which is not just cheap, but very, very cheap, and we know that because it’s got lots of zeros in it.

    Dan finished the masked meeting by saying that he had always been a great fan of Jerry Lewis and his famous line, ‘If you don’t know where you’re going, any road will get you there’

  41. Steve

    gafa

    During 9 11 the same flooding approach was taken.

    How you can tell a Elite psyop is the flooding and unrelenting telling of only one side of the story.

    And by only telling one side of the story, then they split it into even more weird “sub sections” and argue the virtue of a false this-vs-that sub section, but still within the same side of the fence. Its called “capturing”. Its how they have a false debate that keeps people involved but without ever venturing “off the reserve”. Clever, no?

    And then to make sure, you get gits who calls anyone who dares question their lies as “batshit crazy” so as to dehumanize the resistance movement appears to be growing.

    Under it all, its an attempt to discredit, dehuamnize, control the message and crush any dissention. If you read about it happening in some overseas country you would probably say a military Junta had seized control…..sounds a bit like Chile under Pinochet, actually.

    Still, I think they will wind it back in the next 4 weeks as the info about the US CDC report continues to grow and circulate. They have thier nasty new laws, which is what they wanted, so job done there.

    I expect though we should put a permanent Checkpoint Charlies everywhere along the border and treat Victoria like its sister communist failed state of North Korea until the current “dictator” moves on.

  42. Steve

    If true, the US taking China to war is only a matter of time….

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-coronavirus-cover-up-flee-hong-kong-whistleblower

    “Yan said she and her colleagues across China discussed the peculiar virus but that she soon noted a sharp shift in tone.

    “Doctors and researchers who had been openly discussing the virus suddenly clammed up. Those from the city of Wuhan–which later would become the hub of the outbreak–went silent and others were warned not to ask them details.

    “The doctors said, ominously, “We can’t talk about it, but we need to wear masks,'” Yan said.

    Then the numbers of human-to-human transmission began to grow exponentially, according to her sources, and Yan started digging for answers.

    “”There are many, many patients who don’t get treatment on time and diagnosis on time,” Yan said. “Hospital doctors are scared, but they cannot talk. CDC staff are scared.”

    “She said she reported her findings to her supervisor again on Jan. 16 but that’s when he allegedly told her “to keep silent, and be careful.”

    “”As he warned me before, ‘Don’t touch the red line,'” Yan said referring to the government. “We will get in trouble and we’ll be disappeared.”

  43. Simon Morgan

    When it comes to Victoria I’m reminded of another Simpson’s episode- the Frank Grimes episode.

    Poor Grimes is the only one that can see Homer Simpson for the fraud and complete idiot he is. Homer is Dan the Man here of course. And Lenny & Co. are the people of Victoria.

    It seems the perfect allegory for what is happening in Victoria now:

  44. When you try to talk some sense and statistics into them – equivalent to a bad flu season, death rates are just perceptible above the background mortality rate, etc. – you get nowhere.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that 2/3 of the population is genuinely stupid when it comes to rationally looking at the risks in the world.

    Spend any time in a typical community group organisation (sports, whatever), and you’ll come to the same conclusion I have.

    You could hardly get a more illustrative microcosm of Cat culture. Duncan encounters society, is roundly rejected and shunned, yet has no self-reflection that he might be in the wrong. No, it’s everyone else he meets who are sociopaths.

  45. mem

    Gerry
    #3594062, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:25 pm
    The tunnel may have to extend to Benalla! That’s where they’re building the massive concrete segments which will form it. Apparently, there are enough stored in Benalla for Labor to actually finish a project.

    Gerry loved your post and repartee. Quite brilliant. It is so close to the truth and says so much about what is happening with the fools at the helm and all their wok consultants with computers that can’t measure the length of a load and whether it might fit on a train carriage.. “There is no major project that we can’t fu*k up here in Victoria” should be the new motto of Tin Pot Fuhrer Dan.

  46. John of Mel

    Thanks, Speedbox.

    Why the Sweden comparison? Going the full herd immunity path has never, that I’m aware, been seriously suggested in Australia (except for those on the absolute fringe).

    The reason he mentioned Sweden, is because I shared a video (Stockholm Walks: Hornsgatan. Experience the street life of a Friday afternoon on Södermalm). In our discussions I always advocated for a modified Swedish approach – no lockdowns, protect the elderly and vulnerable.

  47. I’ve come to the conclusion that 2/3 of the population is genuinely stupid when it comes to rationally looking at the risks in the world.

    No, they’re just rusted on ALP/GRN voters and virtue signalers.

    Take politics out of it and they’d be sensible.

  48. Rabbi Putin

    PS Rohan if you need some support in doing a special post on the tricks of polls I am more than happy to assist. I have significant experience in managing such polls for a variety of clients,so know how it is done.

    I’d love to read this. The polling data is a complete mismatch with the general community sentiment in getting. Either I’m in a bubble or it’s wrong. Even the most left-wing person I know (my wife) admits some mistakes have been made and it could’ve been handled better. The Age also says this now. That’s not what I would call approval exactly. On the other end of the spectrum is plenty of people calling for his deposition by GG, for Criminal Investigations, and for capital punishment.

    And to everyone here who shrugs and says “that’s Victoria’s problem”, it’s not, it’s yours aswell. When (not if) Victoria defaults on its debt, who do you think will be holding the bag? Even if the state reverts to territorial administration the whole country is still financially stuffed because of this evil degenerate socialist moron.

  49. iamok

    I live in Danstanistan and I have many friends who vote left and love Dan.

    Why people vote for parties of the left is beyond me. Do they really believe they will become better off with such massive waste as the hallmark of government. Is spoton.

    I had a blue with a mate of 45 years the day over this and we may not recover. It is as sad as it is nonsensical.

  50. H B Bear

    Forget polls. The first meaningful test is the Chook when the Pony Club gets a vote.

  51. duncanm

    m0nty
    #3594102, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:56 pm

    I prefer to confirm at the source, rather than believe everything I hear in media.

    I’ll remind you again, peanut-head.

    UK has a about the same deaths-per-capita from Da-Carona as Sweden: 615 vs. 580 per million. 600 seems to be where most western countries are maxing out.

    Total Excess deaths in the UK this year due to Covid: 50,000

    Excess deaths in the UK, recent winters due to flu regularly bumps 50k, and hit almost 60k in 1975/76.

  52. Jannie

    Borrowing tons of money from the future so they can enforce “safety” and lockdowns. One day the Guvmint will run out of money and run out of future. Until then, borrow and invent more money. The future is another country.

  53. H B Bear

    No guarantee they are going to get it right (I should know. I’m in the land of Sneaker “Mr 92%” McGowan).

  54. mem

    Rabbi Putin

    #3594190, posted on September 22, 2020 at 7:12 pm
    PS Rohan if you need some support in doing a special post on the tricks of polls I am more than happy to assist. I have significant experience in managing such polls for a variety of clients,so know how it is done.

    I’d love to read this.

    Thanks Putin. I think Rohan is at the pub. but we will get this together. for most people they read the headlines for the polls which is the intent. But we need to get across the tricks that underpin this now very useful ploy of the left and some of the right too in mastering what is in essence a media/propaganda exercise.

  55. Dusty

    Workplace I am in is full of tradesmen getting real sick of this shit. Common nickname is Commie Andrews. Most want nothing more than to stop having to wear all the masks and having to do the morning ritual of getting temperature checks every friggin’ day. I see it around me sometimes, too. People adhering to the letter, but not the spirit of the law. I survived the kung flu, more than a few people out there are getting wise to the fact it’s not the end of the world it was supposed to be.

    I don’t think it’s a silent majority per se, but there are certainly a few people out there who actually work (not public sector) who are getting *restless*.

  56. Hay Stockard

    Monty thinks he’s Grimes when in reality he’s Snake

  57. vlad

    The whole level-crossing-removal thing is another boondoggle that’s causing massive inner-urban vandalism to little if any point. If you can’t navigate a level crossing safely you shouldn’t be driving.

  58. Noddy

    In 90 days time it will be Christmas Eve and even if Comrade Dan gets the virus in hand by then, there will be no money in the Xmas stocking! What then? Some people will start playing up–it could be interesting times!
    All Dan needs is a little more time and enough rope then destruction is assured.
    In the meantime, I am amazed how many people would rather drown than learn to swim!
    BTW – I love some of these posts for the writer’s sense of humor – should be more of it!
    Time for a large glass of Port.

  59. Rohan

    I was sort of at the Pub. Well, at work all day then as it’s Dad’s 80th today, I shared an iso meal over facetime.

    (PS Rohan if you need some support in doing a special post on the tricks of polls I am more than happy to assist. I have significant experience in managing such polls for a variety of clients,so know how it is done.)

    mem, happy to discuss. I think your insight could be useful as a contrast to where I’m coming from.

    Sinc or Steve K, please pass on my email address to mem.

  60. Don’t despair, Steve. The Newspoll result is a bad sign but there is confounding evidence from Essential.

    Their polling has shown quite a collapse in support by Victorians for their government’s performance.

    Essential has reported polling results for 5 States (NSW, Vic, Qld, WA and SA) over 11 polls regarding “How would you rate your state government’s response to the Covid-19 outbreak?” Victorians rating their government’s performance as “good” has fallen from 73% on 23 May to 47% on 21 September.

    The performance in the other four states has not varied by much (Queensland being the runner up falling by only 6 percentage points). I’m useless at adding links here, just google Essential.

  61. Tel

    Why the Sweden comparison? Going the full herd immunity path has never, that I’m aware, been seriously suggested in Australia (except for those on the absolute fringe).

    You don’t by any chance think that beating up old ladies on park benches does anything to slow the virus do you?

    If no nation on Earth can keep it out of old age homes, and we have politicians so incredibly useless they can’t figure out how to put up a few families is a hotel without hundreds getting infected then herd immunity is the conclusion. Doesn’t matter about suggestion, the virus won’t respond to suggestion … I’m telling you where this goes and how it stops.

    The only variables are who goes first, and how long the process takes.

    I should point out that “lockdown” never did even work in China … there have been several more lockdowns in Beijing long after they claimed to have beaten it. They locked down the Xinjiang region in August. They don’t report genuine case numbers so I don’t believe for a moment they have solved the problem. Lockdown have not eradicated this virus in any country, except temporarily perhaps in New Zealand which is now isolated from the entire world. Herd immunity is literally the only option remaining … with the benefit of hindsight it probably always was the best that could be done.

  62. Rex Anger

    You could hardly get a more illustrative microcosm of Cat culture. mUnted encounters society, is roundly rejected and shunned, yet has no self-reflection that he might be in the wrong. No, it’s everyone else he meets who are sociopaths.

    Fixed your projections for you, bugman.

    Your shilling is tiresome. The super-cold is manageable. LockDan’s communism is not.

    Have fun dreaming about poverty, bugman. It is almost upon you…

  63. Kneel

    “…to bring the case load down…”

    I realise this is the “common” usage, but it’s wrong.

    We are seeing “positive tests”, not cases – a “case” is where an individual seeks treatment for the symptoms. Based on what is available, I’d say “cases” are actually much, much closer to “hospitalisations” than “positive tests” – IOW, about 10% of what is reported.

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