Tuesday Forum: September 22, 2020

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  1. Carbon Emitter

    Quiet before the rush

  2. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bob, will you denounce Andrew’s actions?
    We need you to denounce his bill to arrest anyone they feel like, without the use of police even just lefty public servants.
    We need a statement from you that you detest such actions and stand against this tyranny.
    Put it in writing here, Bob.”

    Will the racist denounce this tyranny?

  3. Robber Baron

    Council elections in Victoria will be very interesting. I think people will take more notice of their candidates’ policies this year.

  4. mh

    Dan again calling the China virus “wicked”.

    Maybe he means ‘totally wicked’ as in cool. He gets to do all the things he dreamt of doing. Like destroying capitalism and arresting productive people.

  5. Speedbox

    On the (expanded) team!

  6. Mother Lode

    People talking about the weather?

    We are getting 19C in Sydney on Sunday, apparently. Winds above 30kph, which will be stronger in my neck of the woods.

    I feel I should do something special to say farewell to the cooler weather – because summer is coming.

    Sumer is icumen in
    Lhude shoute “Screwe yu!”
    Groweþ mad
    and swereþ bad
    to splitte Hev’n in tu
    Shoute “Screwe yu!”

    Gou kikke þe bloddi kat
    Ande mayngie dogg tu
    Rayge unyokeþ
    Helle fyr stokeþ
    furie shoute “Screwe yu!”

    Screwe yu! Screwe yu!
    Shoute til þo fayce be blu
    Plye knyfe ande swurd ande shu.

    Screwe yu tu • Screwe yu.
    Screwe yu • Screwe yu tu.

  7. Zatara

    One of my neighbors is having a “My freezer failed and I have 45 kilos of steak to cook” party.
    His neighbor is having a “My beer keg fridge just died” party.
    A match made in heaven.

    Hurricanes and karma. From 1:20 on is my neighborhood.

    Oh yeah, no masks and plenty of Trump signs.

  8. incoherent rambler

    Is this the Granny thumping thread?

    Looks like a great day to get out and taser a few grannies!

  9. Makka

    Regarding the latest Newspoll, even considering the “diversion” polling factor of some conservatives, it’s a solid majority of Victorians in favour of Andrew’s policies – which includes his unleashing of Vikpol on dissenters. Astounding.

    I would not be holding out much hope for the new dissent laws being put down. Not after we saw how easy it was to get the SOE extended.

  10. Good morning all.
    Having trouble finding it, will continue of course. Did anyone else see the harpies of The View giving the beans to Kim Klacik? In it, Joy Behar claims she had the backing of the black community to indulge in some blackface. The video of this exchange is fuckwittery on stilts.

  11. Mother Lode

    Dan again calling the China virus “wicked”.

    A true progressive would call it ‘unhelpful’.

  12. Probably already posted in these august pages seeing as though the segment was 3 days ago

  13. Geriatric Mayfly

    A true progressive would call it ‘unhelpful’.

    Problematic, Inappropriate and Unacceptable.

  14. Mitch M.

    I saw Andrews being asked by a journalist about those “officers” being given extended powers. Andrews just brushed it away as no big deal. This is so dangerous and there is nothing that can be done about it. What is the value of a Constitution that allows governments to arbitrarily assign police powers to citizens?

  15. vlad

    I would not be holding out much hope for the new dissent laws being put down. Not after we saw how easy it was to get the SOE extended.

    I wouldn’t give up hope and that sort of defeatism is what he’s counting on.

    “Blah blah blah, I’m Dan Andrews, I did this, I did that, I can do anything and you’ll lump it.”

    The SOE was an extension of something that had been in place – and extended – before. His Omnibus Bill is a whole new ballgame. I think he will have a harder time getting it through; I’m hoping he won’t be able to.

  16. vlad

    Andrews just brushed it away as no big deal.

    He has about the same level of understanding of the legal system and the rule of law as Joh Bjelke-Petersen had, with a smoother manner and a more compliant press.

    He just doesn’t get it.

  17. Mater

    Victorian authorities will review all infringements given for coronavirus rule breaches after another mix-up saw a couple fined more than $3000 for a holiday they went on a year ago.
    When police realised the mistake they withdrew the fine.
    “We are not scanning social media, we are responding to tip-offs,” Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said.
    “We are human, we got it wrong.”

    So no investigation? No evidence? No proof? Just fine them based on a denunciation?

    Tip for you, VicPol. EVERY village I visited in Afghanistan told me that the neighbouring villages were all Taliban, and suggested I call in an air strike on them.

    I didn’t, and do you know why? Because:

    1. Traditionally, prove of wrong doing comes before punishment, and
    2. People lie about others for any number of reasons, including payback.

  18. Zyconoclast

    IAG’s new CEO backs lockdowns, pledges climate focus

    Incoming chief executive of the Insurance Australia Group Nick Hawkins says the industry is not set up to cover the financial fallout from the coronavirus pandemic and has pledged to be a voice on climate change during his tenure

    “Yes there are things that have occurred, but we would like more to be done.”
    Mr Hawkins,who did not comment on whether the federal government should set a net zero by 2050 target or whether he supports the government’s gas push, said more needed to be done to prevent the worst impacts of climate change.
    “IAG itself is carbon neutral and there are many programs that we have put in place to lower our environmental impact as a company.

    “All of us, individuals, companies and governments need to do more on this topic. The impact of climate change on communities is going to be significant and all of us need to take some of that responsibility.” wns, pledges climate focus

    Incoming chief executive of the Insurance Australia Group Nick Hawkins says the industry is not set up to cover the financial fallout from the coronavirus pandemic and has pledged to be a voice on climate change during his tenure

    “Yes there are things that have occurred, but we would like more to be done.”
    Mr Hawkins,who did not comment on whether the federal government should set a net zero by 2050 target or whether he supports the government’s gas push, said more needed to be done to prevent the worst impacts of climate change.
    “IAG itself is carbon neutral and there are many programs that we have put in place to lower our environmental impact as a company.

    “All of us, individuals, companies and governments need to do more on this topic. The impact of climate change on communities is going to be significant and all of us need to take some of that responsibility.”

  19. Bear Necessities

    I think any AFL final in Brisbane from now onwards is going to be wet weather football. Judging from last night kicking long and just getting the ball forward will be the way to go. Sides with a good swamping physical presence like the Tigers, Power and Dogs will have an advantage. Sides like Geelong and Collingwood who tries to possess the footy will be at a disadvantage.

    You could see the sweat shining off the players after 10 minutes last night.

  20. Bar Beach Swimmer

    From the OT

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3593772, posted on September 22, 2020 at 11:50 am
    The point is federal government MPs are making public statements on social media, which is precisely what Trump does

    Nota, however sincere she maybe, to coin a phrase, Sarah Henderson is no Donald Trump.

    I just read Makka’s comment: there’s nothing on TV – on Sky – that I’ve seen. No comments from any of them.

    And as for the PM, he should have made a public address by now. Instead, he’s still inside the National(?) Cabinent thingy. There’s been a few comments here referring to Stockholm Syndrome, well, he’s fully captive to it while he stays a part of it.

    Others may argue that you should never get in the way of your enemy when they’re blowing themselves up – (Napoleon?) but by allowing this to continue he’s facilitating and enhancing the wanton destruction.

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3593776, posted on September 22, 2020 at 11:51 am
    Mole,
    👍

  21. Eyrie

    What is the value of a Constitution that allows governments to arbitrarily assign police powers to citizens?

    Feds are doing that already with CASA giving police powers to private bodies like the Ultralight and Gliding bodies. No right to stay silent, penalties imposed on “suspicion”, decisions made behind closed doors in your absence, etc etc.

  22. Makka

    From the other thread;

    Lizzi55
    #3593797, posted on September 22, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/growing-body-research-indicates-many-confirmed-covid-19-cases-might-not

    Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

    Yet a burgeoning line of scientific inquiry suggests that many confirmed infections of COVID-19 may actually be just residual traces of the virus itself, a contention that — if true — may suggest both that current high levels of positive viruses are clinically insignificant and that the mitigation measures used to suppress them may be excessive.

  23. incoherent rambler

    What is the value of a Constitution that allows governments to arbitrarily assign police powers to citizens?

    If they can assign those powers to a machine, e.g. a speed camera (system), why not ?

  24. Zatara

    Want the COVID fuss to go away?

    Wait until 4 Nov. If Biden wins we will never hear another word about it.

  25. Makka

    I wouldn’t give up hope and that sort of defeatism is what he’s counting on.

    vlad,
    What defeatism? I’ve made a valid observation. Dan won’t change my perspective of his tyrannical rule. Or my view of the thugs Vikpol have shown themselves to be. He never has nor ever will get my vote. It’s the 60 odd% of Victorians that support him and the pissweak LNP you should be concerned about.

  26. twostix

    Want the COVID fuss to go away?

    Wait until 4 Nov. If Biden wins we will never hear another word about it.

    I used to think that, but I think that the establishment power have surprised themselves with how easy it is to stage total revolution and nobody says anything, so even if Biden wins they’re going to continue.

  27. Zatara

    Fair point twostix, but their initial and most widespread motivation will be gone.

  28. flyingduk

    Tip for you, VicPol. EVERY village I visited in Afghanistan told me that the neighbouring villages were all Taliban, and suggested I call in an air strike on them.

    wonder if that would work in Spring St?

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    One of my neighbors is having a “My freezer failed and I have 45 kilos of steak to cook” party. His neighbor is having a “My beer keg fridge just died” party.

    Lay down Sally!

    We had one of those in our street after the ship ended up on the main Ncl surf beach. Power out 4 days. Half a tree landed on my roof. Did no damage, but I wish I’d thought to take a photo since it looked like my house was wearing a toupee. The local West Wallsend rural fire brigade got off for me. God bless volunteer firies!

  30. Zatara

    Power out 4 days.

    Can relate to that one BoN.
    – 120 mph winds at 0200 in the morning
    – 3 foot of rain in 2 hours
    – 10 foot of storm surge
    – 4-5 foot of flood through the ground floor of my place

    But power out for 4-5 days and no way to read Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog? Now that has been true tragedy. 🙂

  31. flyingduk

    may suggest both that current high levels of positive viruses are clinically insignificant and that the mitigation measures used to suppress them may be excessive

    Absolutely: it now appears that up to 90% of ‘cases’ are nothing more than clinically irrelevant (not sick, not infectious) artefacts due to oversensitivity of the PCR tests. A better marker is ICU admissions or deaths, although even they appear to be grossly overcounted for the same reason (a ‘positive’ test is not the same thing as a clinical illness – if it was, George Floyd died of COVID!). Take a look at Worldometer: it shows that the big ‘second waves’ in Europe are NOT accompanied by many deaths at all, most of this ‘second wave’ is due to increased use of over sensitive tests.

  32. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Incoming chief executive of the Insurance Australia Group Nick Hawkins says the industry is not set up to cover the financial fallout from the coronavirus pandemic and has pledged to be a voice on climate change during his tenure

    di klimat ist changing, there I said it.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    A barge lobbing in your front yard would really suck.

    These Florida residents have runaway barges in their yards after Hurricane Sally: ‘What do we do?’ (22 Sep)

    PENSACOLA, Fla. – Many people impacted by Hurricane Sally are still assessing wind and water damage left in the wake of the Category 2 storm.

    But only a select few residents of Pensacola, Florida, also have the misfortune of dealing with massive runaway barges that washed ashore and settled in their yards. Homeowners said Sunday that at least four barges remain lodged in the yards of homes located off the shore of Pensacola Bay.

    Joanne Nisewonger did not evacuate her home Tuesday night when the storm rolled in. Instead, Nisewonger and her husband experienced in real-time the sights and sounds of a barge blasting through their seawall and bouncing against their and their neighbor’s fencing like a pinball.

    ‘What do we do?’ The answer is obvious: have a big steak BBQ and beer party.

  34. thefrollickingmole

    Gruinaid busy saying Trump saying “covid hardly affects the young” is a lie.

    I dont have the will to link, its the usual turgid bilge served up to the faithful.

  35. 132andBush

    Dan again calling the China virus “wicked”.

    Heh, the poor old virus is just standing there saying “What the hell?! I’m just doing what I do, you’re the one fucking things up”.

  36. Zatara

    A barge lobbing in your front yard would really suck.

    One of those barges is about 100 meters from here and may have taken out the pier my boat was tied to. The boat is now in what we call the “Pile ‘o Boats” on our seawall.

    On the plus side I had a grand-niece born in the middle of the hurricane.

    Her name is Sally of course!

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Zatara – She’s going to be a handful. A veritable whirlwind when she grows up!

  38. mareeS

    Virus is just another scare on the populace. I had a nasty bout of something like the flu a couple of weeks ago, went to bed For a few days until I felt better, did NOT go for a virus test in case I became another statistic. Stayed at home for a week just in case.

    Nobody else in our household had a similar cold, I recovered within days, no lingering problems. Dan and his dangerous cabal need to be taken to a remote forest.

  39. Zatara

    She’s going to be a handful. A veritable whirlwind when she grows up!

    Told my nephew that she is going to be a red-head. He freaked.

  40. woolfe

    Did anyone see how John Ruddick went on Q&A last night?

  41. dopey

    ABC: Boat that went missing last week in SA is missing again.

  42. nb

    USSR constitutional rights and duties:
    https://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/36cons04.html

    ARTICLE 130. It is the duty of every citizen of the U.S.S.R. to abide by the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to observe the laws, to maintain labor discipline, honestly to perform public duties, and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

    Let there be no capitalist babies.

  43. min

    Vlad , Omnibus Bill is not new ,original passed in April but extension of powers finishes in October . This bill is to keep it going til April 2021 and extends the powers to authorise “appropriate” people to be able to arrest those they believe may do something. Guilty before Proven in fact and includes breaking into people’s’ houses . Unfortunately most voters do not know about it and because of the stresses of their daily lives these days not likely to be into the politics . How many do you reckon watch Dan ‘s performance each day may catch excepts put out on news that cut the negatives out. There are people including opposition working on cross benchers who passed the 6 month extension as these are the ones who will vote for it when it goes thru upper house.

  44. Mullumhillbilly

    Mother Lode
    #3593770, posted on September 22, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Sumer is icumen in
    Lhude shoute “Screwe yu!”

    I’m late to the party, but want to say that was excellent LOLs

  45. Some History

    LOL

    Jane Yonda found Michael Jackson very “touching”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwod1Q3CUSM

    BoN

    Jane Yonda is interested in birds

  46. Helen

    Her name is Sally of course!

    Welcome, Sally!

  47. Speedbox

    What is the value of a Constitution that allows governments to arbitrarily assign police powers to citizens?

    The American Constitution is a great document. It sets in stone a range of requirements by which the people and the Government must abide.

    By comparison, our citizens rely on laws enacted by Parliament for our protection and the maintenance of a civil society. The problem is, that in every statement on human rights in Australia, whether it is presented as law, policy or merely aspirational, you will always find a statement to the effect of “…..subject to any laws made by the Parliament…..”. In other words, Parliament has primacy. The most glowing and protective laws on the protection of human rights exist only up until the Parliament makes another law that can override those HR laws.

    The Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 is an excellent example.

    At item 12 “Freedom of movement” the Act says “Every person lawfully within Victoria has the right to move freely within Victoria and to enter and leave it and has the freedom to choose where to live”.

    At item 16 “Peaceful assembly and freedom of association” the Act says “(1) Every person has the right of peaceful assembly and (2) Every person has the right to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and join trade unions.”

    So good so far. In fact the Act has lots of good stuff that a civilised democracy should have. But then:

    At item 31 “Override by Parliament” the Act says “(1) Parliament may expressly declare in an Act that that Act or a provision of that Act or another Act or a provision of another Act has effect despite being incompatible with one or more of the human rights or despite anything else set out in this Charter.”

    There’s a whole lot more but basically, the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 is only good until another Act overrides it. Which is exactly what has happened.

    If Parliament made a law, it can repeal/amend/override that law. If you want a US style constitution that protects your human rights, then go to the US or, spend the rest of your life trying to achieve constitutional change here in Australia. Good luck.

    (can you imagine any circumstances where you could convince the Uniparty to include constitutional change questions on human rights into their next re-election platform?)

  48. Mother Lode

    Mullumhillbilly,

    Many thanks.

    And I really hate summer.

  49. Bruce of Newcastle

    Jane Yonda is interested in birds

    SH – Is that why she had the antiaircraft gun training in Hanoi?

  50. twostix

    Nearly everyone in the professional classes and increasingly the trady classes is scared out of their wits about “COVID”.

    We’re never, ever going back to “normal”. When the deem to let us “get back to normal” about 50% of the things they’ve implemented will stay forever. It’ll take a century to undo it all.

  51. H B Bear

    Yellow ball football in the Gold Coast dew. This years AFL Grand Final will probably spoil a good night at the pub in the West.

  52. twostix

    I’ve had multiple bugmen lickspittles tell me that this “new normal” of social distancing and contact tracing and Supreme Leader Heath Dictators should be kept forever to prevent flu deaths.

    What I’m saying is a huge chunk of the population are totally ok with living like this in one form or another. The daily rituals of life before February are already forgotten.

  53. feelthebern

    When I first heard/read about the Breonna Taylor I was shocked.
    But after reading this 41 page report that’s dropped today tells a very different story to the one the msm has been running with.
    She was part of a violent, criminal organisation.
    She was caught up in a shootout with cops that was initiated by her boyfriend.
    But she’s a martyr?
    I am without speech.

  54. thefrollickingmole

    and to respect the rules of socialist intercourse.

    The party comes in and screws you.
    But leaves your wife alone.
    Then jails you both for not meeting the 5 year plan targets.

  55. Ubique

    Five thousand breathless pages written about Tiger Woods going into the US Open at Winged Foot. He didn’t make the cut, finishing at 10 over after two rounds. No, I didn’t hear that on the ABC.

  56. Speedbox

    twostix
    #3593846, posted on September 22, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    Yep, and that will be the evidence of the Stockholm syndrome.

  57. Roger

    What I’m saying is a huge chunk of the population are totally ok with living like this in one form or another.

    Yes, the ones who’ve felt no pain yet.

  58. Mitch M.

    If Parliament made a law, it can repeal/amend/override that law. If you want a US style constitution that protects your human rights, then go to the US or, spend the rest of your life trying to achieve constitutional change here in Australia. Good luck.

    Politicians have no interest in changes that limit their power. Not enough life left in me to change anything in this wretched country. The only hope is that enough Australians recognise that something needs to be done to curb the power hungry. 🤣

  59. Rex Anger

    When I first heard/read about the Breonna Taylor I was shocked.
    But after reading this 41 page report that’s dropped today tells a very different story to the one the msm has been running with.
    She was part of a violent, criminal organisation.
    She was caught up in a shootout with cops that was initiated by her boyfriend.
    But she’s a martyr?
    I am without speech.

    To answer this, I borrow from beverage maker Woka-Cola, and its subsidiary brand, Spite:

    Image is Nothing.

    The Cause is Everything.

    Obey The Cause.

  60. twostix

    Yes, the ones who’ve felt no pain yet.

    They’ll never feel pain because they’re outer party members.

  61. Rex Anger

    *Woke-A-Cola.

    That works better…

  62. Speedbox

    ….in this wretched country.

    How true.

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    Five thousand breathless pages written about Tiger Woods going into the US Open at Winged Foot. He didn’t make the cut

    Bit unfair Ubique. He played with Trump in Feb, won the 2019 Masters and another PGA tour event this year. I suspect he has a comparable amount of titanium in his body as in his one wood, plus a bulk prescription for endone. I’ve a lot of time for Mr Woods.

  64. Why it wasn’t on in primetime. Red Bull Soap Box Races from 2017. Great entertainment. Remember we had those at New Year’s Eve but with an accomplice pushing you over a few obstacles. Gone by the wayside.

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops that was Feb last year. With Jack Nicklaus. Only Nicklaus and Tiger to could do such a thing without being Uncle Tommed.

  66. feelthebern

    Here’s the 41 page report on Breonna Taylor.
    Her “friends” didn’t give a shit about her.
    They only cared about the drugs.

    https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

  67. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Jane Yonda is interested in birds

    barbarella hasnt aged well

  68. Mother Lode

    barbarella hasnt aged well

    I heard she was conscripted and forced to sit on that NVA gun.

    I don’t believe it though – it would go against communist principles to force people to join the military. Only the West would do something like that.

  69. OCO, does your new conveyance feature a CVT transmission or a conventional one?

  70. Rex Anger

    I don’t believe it though – it would go against communist principles to force people to join the military. Only the West would do something like that.

    Yup. The Chinese totally didn’t supply thousands of drivers, trucks, admin troops and stores types to completely free the NVA for revolutionary struggle in the South.

    Nor did the Soviet Union completely equip, support and train the fighting troops.

    And an entire generation of North Vietnamese conscripts most certainly did not adopt the cynical and subversive phrase Born in the North to die in the South, up to and including tattooing on their bodies for Australian and Allied soldiers to subsequently find during battlefield clearances and exploitation.

    As Numbers, aka Jack Hunt will tell you, these are all totally spurious, Western imperialist running dog fabrications. The Viet Cong did all the struggle and victorious iverthrlwing themselves, one Ho ChinMinh sandal, shanghai and punji stick trap at a time…

  71. Megan

    A new thread appearance whilst I was looking. How very unsatisfactory.

    Wait, are we still locked down?

  72. Mother Lode

    As Numbers, aka Jack Hunt will tell you, these are all totally spurious, Western imperialist running dog fabrications.

    Supposedly part of the Franks success was their adoption of stirrups on their horses. Not a new kind of lance, or sword, or armour, or shield – none of the martial accoutrements. Just something as plain and boring as stirrups, which allowed them to leverage (literally and figuratively) in the use of their other weapons.

    I have long suspected that the folding of blankets or threading Super-8 film around the sprockets of a projector would have similar subtle impact, amplified at each stage of the procedures of conducting war.

    Yet, if you ask anyone about courage, self-sacrifice, or heroism they will talk endlessly about the guys with guns.

    It makes me sick.

  73. Rex Anger

    I have long suspected that the folding of blankets or threading Super-8 film around the sprockets of a projector would have similar subtle impact, amplified at each stage of the procedures of conducting war.

    Yet, if you ask anyone about courage, self-sacrifice, or heroism they will talk endlessly about the guys with guns.

    It makes me sick.

    Yep. Utterly disgusting.

    #LingersLivesMatter

    #NoPogue-ingPeopleWithAStick

  74. Mitch M.

    Yup. The Chinese totally didn’t supply thousands of drivers, trucks, admin troops and stores types to completely free the NVA for revolutionary struggle in the South.

    A US veteran of the Korean War stated that the Chinese troops were often cannon fodder being mowed down but over running the US positions through sheer force of numbers.

  75. Rex Anger

    (#RAEMEareAllRight)

    (#RAEdrinktoomuch)

  76. jupes

    Excellent article / letter in today’s West:#

    Since when do Aussies leave mates behind? (No sub, so I can only link to PressReader. This is the article not the letter, which is even better).

    It’s from an ex soldier named Stephen Spencer, currently stranded in the UAE with his family. Just scathing of the federal and state governments. This is unusual because the West is Premier McGowan’s biggest fan and supporter of all his ridiculous policies.

    Mater, you might know Spencer. Incidentally his dad is Peter Spencer who played for East Perth and North Melbourne in the ’70s and ’80s.

  77. Rex Anger

    A US veteran of the Korean War stated that the Chinese troops were often cannon fodder being mowed down but over running the US positions through sheer force of numbers

    Yep. Woefully underequipped compared to even their NK allies, and theirnlogistics were almost non-existent. Yet, this is what gave them their advantage. They could infiltrate easily into even heavily defended areas, as a human being on is much sneakier on foot tha a vehicle, and streams of troops moving under the cover of darkness, hiding in diteches, foliage, etc. are not easily spitted and interdicted from the air.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And an entire generation of North Vietnamese conscripts most certainly did not adopt the cynical and subversive phrase Born in the North to die in the South, up to and including tattooing on their bodies for Australian and Allied soldiers to subsequently find during battlefield clearances and exploitation.

    Two hundred thousand Vietnamese conscripts, wounded in Cambodia in the late 1970’s, lacking medical care and treatment because the medical supplies had been sold on the black market…

  79. Mater

    Mater, you might know Spencer.

    Ack.
    Covid is stripping away the myths and facades of our modern Australian society.

    Personally, I’m completely deflated and disgusted at Australians, as a whole. It’s like that scene out of Braveheart when William Wallace pulls off the helmet, only to find Robert the Bruce had sold out and turned on his own. You could see the spirit drain from him.

    I can relate to the feeling.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    I have managed to answer my own question.
    The old “Citizens Electoral Council” has been re-branded as “Australian Citizens Party”.
    We had a CEC candidate at our last council elections and I wondered if they were still spluttering along.

  81. Slim Cognito

    Here’s the 41 page report on Breonna Taylor.

    Can someone who is on twitter send that to Lewis Hamilton? I’m sure he would be interested.

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yep. Woefully underequipped compared to even their NK allies, and theirnlogistics were almost non-existent

    The great mountebank, Douglas MacArthur, claimed that no Chinese Army had ever stood against a Western Army…

  83. Mitch M.

    Mater
    #3593890, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Personally, I’m completely deflated and disgusted at Australians, as a whole.

    +1

    We need a new monument: Rest in Peace for the Larrikin.

  84. Mitch M.

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3593898, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:23 pm
    Yep. Woefully underequipped compared to even their NK allies, and theirnlogistics were almost non-existent

    The great mountebank, Douglas MacArthur, claimed that no Chinese Army had ever stood against a Western Army…

    Chosin Reservoir?

  85. Megan

    Personally, I’m completely deflated and disgusted at Australians, as a whole. 

    Me too. The long term damage to trust won’t be repaired in our lifetime. Trust in each other, trust in our political and bureaucratic class, trust in our communities and trust in the police has been fatally damaged by this complete overreaction to a virus.

    I’m pretty sure I commented here back at the beginning that the black swan event here is not the virus, it is the response to the virus. Unprecedented and, as time will inevitably show, unnecessary.

    Remember though, the 62% supportive is simply a number pulled out of the air when the data from 300 Victorians is statistically ‘extrapolated’. Lies, damned lies and statistics are not a reliable indicator of what is actually happening. In this case, they are a tool to keep us compliant.

  86. Miltonf

    Wasn’t it 82% last week?

  87. Entropy

    The problem for returning people back to Australia isn’t so much organising flights, it’s quarantine when they get back. There just aren’t enough rooms for returning people plus the number that absolutely have to travel interstate.
    14 days in a hotel room. 14 days.. even worse if you have a family.

  88. Struth

    Mater, I long stated that hi Viz shirts and the acceptance of wearing these government decreed colours gave us an incite, as I am sure it gave the government , to how easily we will comply and be good little subordinates.

    No men have said a word against anything. They sit there and say nothing at forced welcome to country ceremonies. The say nothing about the emotional hysteria caused by the emasculation of the country and the insanity of the female mind when it is under pressure.
    What it will allow itself to believe.
    We have walked away from our civilisation, we did not want to take the firm and correct approach that may have had psychotics up in arms but the line needed to be held for everyone’s good.
    We have walked away on being real men. What the real meaning of being a man is.
    Zero responsibility for our own freedoms and the need to defend them.

  89. Miltonf

    Some shitty FM stn said thumbs up for the dictator’s this morning. Such is the avalanche of propaganda from the legacy media

  90. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Zatara at 11:13 am (previous Forum):

    ” These cops are acting unlawfully …

    Practice this script:

    “Do you know the law?”

    “I don’t need a license, I’m a sovereign citizen”

    “I’m operating in a not for hire capacity!”

    “Don’t you know the law?”

    “Don’t break my window! Don’t break my window! Don’t break my window!”

    “EAHEAHEAHEAH”.

    Please, just watch the damn video.

    Well, well – who knew that these imbroglios can be so contrived? Not always entirely one sided?! More than one agenda? No – that’s astonishing!

    This is very good Zatara but recent events have me expecting even more entertaining, more persuasive performances than I see in that YouTube video (of Anne’s brother?) with, for example:

    screeching, momentary disorientation after losing eye contact with the cameraman then regaining the choreography and staying properly in sync with him – squarely in the frame; high pitched hysteria and frantic struggling to draw in as many oppressors as possible; wailing as they hammer the locking pins into the handcuffs – metal handcuffs no less; distressed whimpering; a well executed pirouette to collapse limply on the figurative chaise longue; curling up with little cries of “I can’t breathe”; counting out for no more than 12¾ seconds then bouncing back up on the feet for a sobbed response to the interviewer’s empathetic questions, sans visible tears …

    … that sort of thing.

    For aspiring cast members a resumé showing old and female is good – that proves a lifetime of tantrum practice – and noting appearances at the odd G12 summit insurrection, Vanilla Lives Don’t Matter protest and PETA street outrage will secure a place in the play.

    There are plenty of educational demo tapes on YouTube, showcasing society’s obsessives, even featuring some local events right here in Australia – evidently realistic and apparently convincing. 😁

  91. Miltonf

    Will see what Tom Elliott has to say soon

  92. old bloke

    A Father’s Shame

    Scene: A Melbourne suburban lawn bowls club, old Jack sits at the window with a beer in his hand.

    Old George enters: “G’day Jack, how’ya going?”

    “I’m fine thanks George, how’s things going with you”

    “Not bad Jack, thanks, how’s that boy of yours, haven’t seen him around for a while”

    Old Jack hesitates to answer, then in a low voice he says “Things aren’t going well for him George, he’s in prison for theft and assault”

    “that’s too bad Jack” says George, and as he departs “Hope that he sorts things out soon”

    Old Jack sits quietly, looking out the window. If he was to be observed, he would be seen quietly sobbing into his beer, for Jack knows the truth, the horrible, shameful truth – his son wears the uniform of the Victorian Police Force.

  93. Struth

    WA is supplied by the east, and that’s just a fact.
    Naming a couple of products they produce themselves as justification of self sustainability is absolutely laughable and moronic.
    Of the billions of different items consumed, most come into WA from the east by road and rail.
    Thousands of Victorian truckies entering WA every week, never once spreading covid, because their Premier doesn’t want to find it, ……….at the moment.
    But he will.

    The proof that WA relies on the east is that the back loading rates out of WA are woeful , there’s nothing coming out.

    So Their Premier and his parochial ignoramuses pretend a border is closed, like Annastasi does.

  94. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’m pretty sure I commented here back at the beginning that the black swan event here is not the virus, it is the response to the virus. Unprecedented and, as time will inevitably show, unnecessary.”

    Well said Megan.

  95. JC

    Cernovich

    He’s fucking right.

    Trump did this

    Iran Foreign Minister says Tehran ready to exchange all prisoners with US

  96. Rex Anger:

    A US veteran of the Korean War stated that the Chinese troops were often cannon fodder being mowed down but over running the US positions through sheer force of numbers

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.
    It will be a major factor against the West.

  97. rickw

    Mater
    #3593890, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Personally, I’m completely deflated and disgusted at Australians, as a whole.

    At every turn I am confronted with stinking communists who can’t see a problem until it actually hits them in the face.

    Their ability to envisage the dangers inherent in what is being done, and in what has been done is non existent.

    Even when being confronted directly and personally with consequences, they remain compliant and apologetic.

  98. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3593919, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:46 pm
    Cernovich

    He’s fucking right.”

    Mike Cernovich is usually right about a lot of things…he is one clever dude.

  99. Makka

    I can relate to the feeling.

    Ditto. Relocating o/s is an option being researched.

  100. rickw

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.
    It will be a major factor against the West.

    There was a story from Korea about an Aussie sniper that was doing extreme range plinking at Norks moving through a choke point, he assumed he was missing because they kept on coming through. Found not to be the case when the area was eventually captured.

  101. Mitch M.

    Winston Smith
    #3593921, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:51 pm
    Rex Anger:

    A US veteran of the Korean War stated that the Chinese troops were often cannon fodder being mowed down but over running the US positions through sheer force of numbers

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.
    It will be a major factor against the West.

    It is impossible to launch a ground assault against China and an air assault is problematic because China has such extensive anti-aircraft defenses along the coast.

  102. Mater

    Ditto. Relocating o/s is an option being researched.

    I was once offered immediate citizenship of the US, but stupidly believed Australia to be a better place to raise a family.

    I have to live with the regret of such an ill-considered and ill-informed decision.

  103. Some History


    Avi Yemini

    @OzraeliAvi

    #BREAKING: Premier Dan Andrews is advertising a full-time media adviser position for his office. I’m thinking of applying. Based on his diversity quota filling policy; I should easily get it. After all, I’m a vertically-challenged POC.

    https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1308211382576279552

  104. rickw

    Ditto. Relocating o/s is an option being researched.

    Working on an O/S deal, long shot but would be awesome opportunity in 3rd world.

  105. BrettW

    This Outsiders Youtube clip popped up. 773,000 views is quite an impressive number with several thousand comments. It is the one where Latham has a go at one of the guys from the US “Confusion” Centre and asked if anybody there predicted Trump would win.

    ‘Sleepy Joe Biden’ goes missing on RBG death
    773,849 views•Sep 20, 2020

  106. Makka

    Lies, damned lies and statistics are not a reliable indicator of what is actually happening. In this case, they are a tool to keep us compliant.

    I think as an indicator of support for Dan the poll is reasonably reliable . Whether it is 55,58,60, 62 % who knows but for sure, leftist support in Vic is substantial. Does it indicate there is enough support in Vic to unseat Labor – which is all that matters? Nope. Are we happy with how the LNP state opposition or LNP Feds are challenging Dan , his lockdown or his use of Vikpol against citizens? I’m certainly not. And there needs to be a very healthy swing away from Labor in the order of 6% plus to get the LNP withing range of booting Labor. I just don’t see this LNP getting there.

    It’s not the polls that enforcing compliance. It’s Dan’s blackshirts and the laws they are allowed to operating under. And we know how laws get changed.

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.
    It will be a major factor against the West.

    Battle of Norfolk.

    The US has assumed they’d be outnumbered heavily since 1946. Norfolk is what happens when you put US armour and infantry into a target rich environment. The Iraqis did pot a few Abrams and Bradleys, but their losses were over 100:1 against. The Chinese are not idiots, especially since their missiles did squat against USS Mason in 2016.

  108. Makka

    I have to live with the regret of such an ill-considered and ill-informed decision.

    Who on earth could have predicted what has happened in Victoria?

  109. BrettW

    BB,
    I raised it when it appeared. The first 100 or so comments on the official View Youtube page were totally supportive of Kim and anti the View panel. Hilarious.

    Black Ball
    #3593784, posted on September 22, 2020 at 11:56 am
    Good morning all.
    Having trouble finding it, will continue of course. Did anyone else see the harpies of The View giving the beans to Kim Klacik? In it, Joy Behar claims she had the backing of the black community to indulge in some blackface. The video of this exchange is fuckwittery on stilts.

  110. Speedbox

    Entropy
    #3593907, posted on September 22, 2020 at 2:33 pm
    The problem for returning people back to Australia isn’t so much organising flights, it’s quarantine when they get back. There just aren’t enough rooms for returning people plus the number that absolutely have to travel interstate.

    Yeah, that’s why the airlines are limiting passengers. They simply can’t turn up with a plane load and are selling First/Business class seats to fund the trip.

    Having said that, I have serious doubts that hotels have insufficient capacity. Occupancy rates in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide are about 20%. Even Brisbane and the Gold Coast are only about 35% so there is ample capacity. I imagine most hotels would welcome additional guests. I acknowledge that a quarantine hotel requires oversight – some form of competent professional enforcement is required – not to mention staff PPE and other measures – but I am not convinced that it is an overwhelming problem to organise.

    Peter Dutton recently said that the reason that Australians are not allowed to leave the country is because they will “eventually want to come back”. I think that is an infantile reason but in this instance, we are talking about those who left some time ago and were advised in March/April to ‘stay where you are’. Many did.

  111. jupes

    It is the one where Latham has a go at one of the guys from the US “Confusion” Centre and asked if anybody there predicted Trump would win.

    Here it is (5 min in).

    Just superb. Latham excoriates the fuckwit.

  112. thefrollickingmole

    WA is supplied by the east, and that’s just a fact.

    Absolutely, 90% of our “cargo” is unloaded (& warehoused) in the East and sent across “just in time”.
    Our port facilities are piss weak, Victoria spends billions not building tunnels, WA goes “Hold my beer, well show you how to really get nothing done”…

    Fremantle shipping harbour expansion plan killed off as report backs new Kwinana port

    And the Kwinana port will end up on the never-never as well.

    One more near Feradlton.
    The Oakajee Development reflects The Western Australian Government’s commitment to using the Oakajee port site, located about 25 kilometres north of Geraldton, for a future port and industrial estate to support the continued development of the Mid West.

    The State Government owns over 6,000 hectares of land at the proposed Oakajee site, including:

    1000 hectare port site
    1300 hectare industrial estate
    4000 hectare industrial estate buffer
    This land will provide for a future large-scale port and industrial purposes.

    The Oakajee Development also includes the planned Oakajee Narngulu Infrastructure Corridor that will connect the Oakajee site with the Narngulu Industrial Estate, 12 kilometres south-east of Geraldton. The corridor is designed to be a multi-purpose, multi-use infrastructure corridor and contains sections dedicated for rail, road, and utilities.

    To provide improved planning certainty for a future port and industrial development at Oakajee, the Department of State Development is progressing long term and integrated planning agreeements over the individual Oakajee Development areas.

    The department has also completed work on concept plans identifying options for the development of the Oakajee port on a scaled and staged approach over time. This work will inform development plans for Oakajee in the future.

    The State Government remains committed to the development of the Oakajee port and industrial estate when there is sufficient demand and commercial interest.

    Shitcanned, wouldnt want to wreck a “world class windsurfing site”….

  113. Speedbox

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.
    It will be a major factor against the West.

    Once upon a time it was known as the ‘human wave principle’. Don’t know whether it is still called that.

  114. Rex Anger

    It is impossible to launch a ground assault against China and an air assault is problematic because China has such extensive anti-aircraft defenses along the coast.

    The PRC and its armed enforcement wing, the PLA has, demonstrated it wants to project its power and play colonialist.

    Why bother bringing the war home when you can bleed it dry and starve it from abroad?

    There is a lot of ocean in the ‘Co-prosperity Sphere’ China has adopted, with many hostile neighbours. Ditto the hostile land borders to South, West and North.

    One need not try to punch all the way to Beijing from the sea, nor from India, Russia or Vietnam, etc.

    But small territorial gains from all the landward action would suck up most of the domestic forces (particularly if the PLA tried invading first, and failed), while muliple O/S actions (islands, African ‘colonies,’ etc.) and attrition chews up the good troops, ships and Squadrons.

    The very best will always be kept to protect Beijing from its own people.

    However, the most effective countermeasure in conjunction withbthe above, is supply interdiction. The PRC is a trading nation (believe it or not), and its prodigious production capacity requires a constant stream of raw materials, resources and food. Despite their stockpiling and attempts at self-sufficiency, rheycannot produce hemselves everything they need. Ships can be turned bacl or sunk, roads mined, railways sabotaged, bridges collapsed, checkpoints and borders closed, ad planes shot down.

    (Having said all this, the same inerdiction measures work well against islands like ours and the UK. They nearly suffered domestic collapse in 2 world wars due to effective marine interdiction. Ad th same tactics pursued by the US and UK practically brought Japan to its economic knees by 1944).

  115. Arnost

    Mass has been a major factor in Chinese military strategy forever.

    How does that joke go…

    China and Russia go to war and on the first day Russia with its overwhelming military advantage advances 500 Km on a 100 Km front into China and capture 200,000 Chinese troops. The Russian Premier sends a message to the Chinese – do you give up?

    On the second day Russia advances another 100Km and widen the front to 500 Km and capture 500,000 Chinese troops. The Russian Premier sends a message – do you give up now?

    On the third day, Russia advances again and captures another 1M Chinese troops.

    On the fourth day the day Russia captures 2M Chinese troops… The Chinese Chairman sends a message. Do you give up?

  116. Arky

    I think you should stop being bluffed by bogus polls and organised social media campaigns into believing that Australians no longer value their freedoms.
    Any media that retains open comments sees multiples of people still displaying a traditional love of freedom and distaste for this power grab.
    And those individuals you may know who mindlessly repeat the sludge implanted in their brains quickly cave when confronted with sensible opposition to the idiocy, many of them grateful at being able to reveal their true misgivings.
    Don’t be fooled.
    ..


  117. JC

    Jupes

    There’s no Latham 5 mins into that vid.

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t be fooled.

    Hey, well noted Arky. There is still considerable opposition.
    This is a cheering thought.

  119. Makka

    I think you should stop being bluffed by bogus polls and organised social media campaigns into believing that Australians no longer value their freedoms.

    Other than a few comments on some articles you saw do you have anything substantial to back your dreaming up? What real insights do you have to share of Victoria’s situation politically atm? Thought not.

    many of them grateful at being able to reveal their true misgivings. Lol. That’s irrelevant. It’s how they vote that determines any outcome.

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Once upon a time it was known as the ‘human wave principle’. Don’t know whether it is still called that.

    It was the ‘Yellow Peril’ in the 1950’s and was taken very seriously although the name offended even then. It was not just anti-Chinese. There was a lot of anti-Japanese feeling around too.

  121. incoherent rambler

    Data, numbers, statistics and reality are no match for the stupid.

    Resistance is useless.

    Stop fighting and go register for your government benefit.

  122. Arky

    anything substantial

    ..
    What?
    Like polls paid for by political parties?
    Like the media whores on the tele that no one responds to or bothers to interact with on the new media?
    What else you got?

  123. jupes

    There’s no Latham 5 mins into that vid.

    Try 4 min in.

  124. Rex Anger

    @ Mole-

    Absolutely, 90% of our “cargo” is unloaded (& warehoused) in the East and sent across “just in time”.
    Our port facilities are piss weak

    Sounds like a mighty good argument for breaking the Standard Gauge at Kal, and forbidding all interstate trucking past that point, too… 😉

    (Much as breaking up the Transcontinental railway disturbs me…)

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just examining Hairy’s suits for the funeral tomorrow.
    No mildew, but the favoured one doesn’t do up quite as it did.

    Wear it open, I suggest. It’s not that formal.
    I’ll be glad when its over.

  126. incoherent rambler

    Much as breaking up the Transcontinental railway disturbs me…

    How many clickety-clacks is there between Perth and Sydney.

  127. Makka

    Right Arky, so you have fk all, but your feelz from a distance. Not interested in that.

    Let’s wait and see shall we and see how the next election pans out. I’ll back my observations over your feelz any day.

  128. JC

    jupes
    #3593964, posted on September 22, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    There’s no Latham 5 mins into that vid.

    Try 4 min in.
    Rex Anger
    #3593965, posted on September 22, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    Dude!

  129. thefrollickingmole

    jupes

    I like the “were in pretty good company” attempt at dismissing their catastrophic performance.

  130. Zatara

    Just examining Hairy’s suits for the funeral tomorrow.

    The Hawaiians do this do well. Shorts, sandals, and a clean aloha shirt is appropriate for almost anything.

  131. Arky

    my observations
    ..
    your feelz

    ..
    So when I rely on my daily interactions with people it’s “feelz”
    When you do it’s “observations”.

  132. Arky

    see how the next election pans out.

    ..
    Labour is gone.
    That fucker Andrews is on the verge of tears most of the time, and it isn’t because of the wreckage he has caused.
    It’s because he knows it.

  133. Speedbox

    It was the ‘Yellow Peril’ in the 1950’s…….

    In the earlyish 1960’s in Adelaide I was in early primary school (~year 3) the teacher would warn us of the ‘Yellow Peril’ and ‘Reds under the beds’.

    Don’t know whether it was official Education Dept policy or whether a teacher just took it upon herself to issue the ‘warning’ but I remember it. Having said that, it was never clear to me what I was supposed to do if I found a Red under my bed. Years later, I married one and she was not under my bed, but in it! 🙂

  134. Makka

    So when I rely on my daily interactions with people it’s “feelz”

    Yes you are stating your feelz. Daily interactions don’t figure in my observations so don’t imply that they do. Because I think they are pretty worthless when it comes to trying to understand the statewide situation. Here are my main points again. If you have anything substantive to counter, other than your precious feelz, go right ahead.;

    Whether it is 55,58,60, 62 % who knows but for sure, leftist support in Vic is substantial

    Are we happy with how the LNP state opposition or LNP Feds are challenging Dan , his lockdown or his use of Vikpol against citizens?

    And there needs to be a very healthy swing away from Labor in the order of 6% plus to get the LNP withing range of booting Labor

  135. Makka

    Labour is gone.
    That fucker Andrews is blah blah

    More feelz…

  136. Makka

    On a different note; JC what’s your take with what’s happening on the NYSE? I see the USD is catching a bid.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Meanwhile, in the nest (see pic in detail in Gravatar if you click on it) mum has gone off a couple of times for about five minutes and dad arrived soon after she returned with a big tasty treat of some sort for her arvo tea. I am still concerned it is too hot for her in there with very limited shade (she’s holding her wings up at times to get air circulating under her, but Hairy says, like Bruce did, just let them get on with it, and so I am.

  138. calli

    Fear is the driver and fear is a cancer.

    Just spent a day gently extracting a couple of ladies from a well of apprehension over the upcoming school holidays, when the population here doubles. In the end I had them laughing and cracking jokes about the poxy “terrorists”. They weren’t going to let it bother them.

    Next thing a loudmouth Karen gets in their ears “warning” about clusters and social distancing and shopping strategies and they were back in the pit of despair. Some buggers need their tongues cut out.

  139. K2

    The next Victorian election is scheduled for 26 November 2022.

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That fucker Andrews is on the verge of tears most of the time, and it isn’t because of the wreckage he has caused.

    He might feel better if he called his goons off and issued a few apologies for their behaviour.

    Instead, he’s going to push himself into a collapse because of how much has gone wrong for him due to his incompetence and collect kudos for ‘all of his hard work’.
    Keeping us safe.

  141. Makka

    Some buggers need their tongues cut out.

    calli, the other day the better half and daughter went shopping. Comes to check out and loading up the little conveyor when the checkout Karen there gruffly instructs daughter to “move away over there” from behind her perspex. “only one at a time”. Missus walks off leaving her trolley and the conveyor loaded. “I’ve changed my mind”. Went to Aldi just opposite. Yep, agreed- cut out with a spoon.

  142. jupes

    I like the “were in pretty good company” attempt at dismissing their catastrophic performance.

    Just pathetic wasn’t he. That’s only half the clip. Too bad they didn’t play the whole thing. Latham just keeps smashing the dickhead.

    That was the night of the election in 2016. I was in Sydney at the time and took the day off work to go to the Friends of Trump election day party at the Rugby Club on Pitt Street. It was hosted by Latham, Ross Cameron and Rowan Dean.

    Latham was there for 8 – 10 hours, stubby in hand, before he went and did that interview. The man can hold his piss.

  143. K2

    Anyone who uses the term covid normal, or types it into the script of a teleprompter, needs their tongue cut out.

  144. Arky

    in my observations
    ..

    Whether it is 55,58,60, 62 % who knows but for sure,
    ..

    Yeah.
    Observations.
    Fucking hell.
    You say you have no fucking idea, then say you have observations.

  145. Arky

    The ONLY concrete observations you have, is the same observation I have: The last election.
    Means absolutely NOTHING.

  146. Snoopy

    Ouch!

    A conspiracy theorist has been ordered to pay more than $800,000 for a series of “deranged” online rants in which she claimed a federal MP ran an underground peetophile cabal.

    Dr Anne Webster, from Mildura in country Victoria, her husband and her charity successfully sued Karen Brewer for defamation in the Federal Court over seven Facebook posts made in late April and early May.

  147. old bloke

    Absolutely, 90% of our “cargo” is unloaded (& warehoused) in the East and sent across “just in time”.

    I don’t know why WA governments don’t capitalise on this situation. Here we have the cheapest* electricity in Australia, and we can ship manufactured goods east at very good rates as the trucks and trains return empty.

    * should have said “less-expensive.”

  148. JC

    On a different note; JC what’s your take with what’s happening on the NYSE? I see the USD is catching a bid.

    It’s October. 🙂

    The big non-news news item that literally frightened the shit out of everyone last night was the story about the large international banks have been facilitating money laundering. I can’t quite get to grips with the story because one site suggested it was old stuff and had been dealt with while others made it sound like it was hot off the press and there would be a serious regulatory clipping to the banks. I still don’t know but suspect it’s old news.

    There are also concerns about the supposed second wave hitting the northern hem. countries with the cooler weather and new pessimism shown about a quick vax.

    My view… providing Trump is in the game. Fed policy continues to be expansionary and the bull market since March lows is intact. If the Orange oaf wins, stocks are heading through the roof.

    In my view
    Fed policy has now changed to what Australia had up to 2016 when Lowe was appointed and totally fucked things up because the imbecile either doesn’t believe in monetary policy or doesn’t understand it. The RBA ran policy always with a view to sticking to its 2.5% inflation mandate. We saw around 20 years of economic expansion and the best performing stock market in the world. This could be the US.. but only if the orange fuck is elected.

    There’s plenty of time to wait before taking a big view. I reckon you can wait even after the elections as there will be plenty of time to get on board if Trump wins.

  149. Makka

    Arky, I can’t help it if you can’t fkg read . The observation is that support for the Govt is substantial.

    See;

    Whether it is 55,58,60, 62 % who knows but for sure, leftist support in Vic is substantial

  150. Rex Anger

    @ JC-

    Dude!

    Coastal shipping progressively met its demise in Australia with the coming of the Railways.

    Thus, if one were to argue the very narrow viewpoint that WA’s port facilities (i.e. the non-iron ore loading ones up north) are neglected and overdue for investment cos everything is unloaded over East and trucked or railed here, then hobbling other transport infrastructure to favour port development could make logical sense.

    Interestingly, the obverse is almost true for our rail system in WA- The intermodal traffic is actualy crtically low going East. This is because the container traffic is mostly going by ship. It is, in many instances, cheaper to ship your freight to Sydny and Melbourne on the foreign-registered and foreign-crewed container ships coming into Fremantle. This is a major concern in the rail scene, as the Feds keep upping the access charges for the track, while profit margins are chewed into by the loss of trade to shipping (whoda thunk the whole thing would go full circle after 120 years?).

    As recently as 2014, WA had 3 major intermodal rail freight players- SCT, Arizon (QR National) andPacific National. Aurizon departed the intermodal game in 2014, leaving the other 2 to compete wih cheaper shipping. PacNat has its fingers in other pies Australia-wide, while SCT is a hyper-lean and efficient long-distance freight haul company.

    The biggest bottleneck is (of course) the line itself. The Transcontinental has been single line betwen Kalgoorlie andPort Augusta since its completion in 1917. This means that you can lose hours while stuck in a siding, waiting for other trains to cross you. There are additional losses in efficiency from having to repeatedly stop and start 1.5km long trains. If the line was double tracked, most of these issues would disappear (except for breakdowns, stopping for crew changes, etc.). Once

    A container ship does not face these issues, and can keep plugging along at 8-10 knots for days.

  151. Arky

    The observation is that support for the Govt is substantial.

    See;

    ..
    Based on WHAT Macca?

  152. Rex Anger

    How many clickety-clacks is there between Perth and Sydney.

    None. It’s all welded.

  153. JC

    Rex

    The “dude” comment was meant for Jupes. I picked you up by wrongly expanding the copy&paste and then not looking. 🙂

  154. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I have another party on Friday arvo for about twenty-five of my girlfriends farewelling one who is relocating to Western Australia (and has to do 2 weeks hotel quarantine in order to get into her swank new home boldly bought sight unseen on the internet). I doubt if there will be too much Covid concern, as we are all fit and well and where necessary to keep legal and anyone cares (few do), we’re well-spaced.

    People seem to be pretty much carrying on as normal now. The fear in Sydney is low. In Westfields Bondi Junction today very few masks around. Doctor’s receptionists have dropped theirs. My physiotherapist has never managed to get his over his nose. The booth selling designer masks had no customers.

  155. calli

    I just take rough samples of my friendship groups, all vastly different. Yeah, I know it’s feelz.

    There is very little difference between the city and country types when it comes to “da rulz”. They are (mostly) compliant. This is due to fear that any mistake might cause someone to get sick or damage/close down their business. A health vs. economic driver to behaviour and attitude. In both groups the most Karenish are running up reams of masks and other Covid accoutrements. They’re taking temperatures avidly, policing attendance books and refilling sanitiser bottles. It’s almost as if they’ve found their raison d’être.

    As a percentage, the gung ho Karens would be roughly 5%. It’s damn hard work being a bossy boots. Noone in their right mind really wants the job.

    At the other end where I lurk, I’d say about 10%. We are generally quiet but occasionally question the logic of some of the impositions placed upon us. We barely converse about these things together – conspiracy! But intuitively you know the kindred spirits.

    The rest are emotional putty. They’ll do as they’re told. They will boil away until there’s no jumping out of the pot.

  156. Makka

    There’s plenty of time to wait before taking a big view. I reckon you can wait even after the elections as there will be plenty of time to get on board if Trump wins.

    Fair enough. Lot’s of technicals getting smashed particularly on the Naz. And bonds seem to be on edge with that $ rising. Not good for PM’s atm. Eventually, I think the Fed will be forced into expanding it’s balance sheet beyond all recognition . So will be watching that closely.

  157. JC

    If the Orange oaf wins, there a serious possibility he could help lower the corp tax down to 15% while restricting/reducing the tax benefit of debt interest deductions. This is potentially freaking huge. One add-on impact will be to de-risk the US economy over time as corp move to more equity and less debt. This really would be consequential.

  158. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    OK, Sinc, moderate that one.
    I don’t want to get into strife with any spatial Gestapo, even in Sydney.

  159. Farmer Gez

    Makka
    #3594004, posted on September 22, 2020 at 4:43 pm
    Arky, I can’t help it if you can’t fkg read . The observation is that support for the Govt is substantial.

    See;

    Whether it is 55,58,60, 62 % who knows but for sure, leftist support in Vic is substantial

    Labor creates their constituency by direct employment or through welfare.
    The 62% tells you how many are in this category. No mystery at all.

  160. calli

    Have you been up to mischief, Lizzie?

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    What happens when Florida Man gets stuck in bat crud lockdown?
    This:

    Florida Man covers every wall and ceiling in his home with empty Budweiser cans (21 Sep)

    Realtor Kristen Kearney told Realtor.com:

    “They warned me that the home was wallpapered in beer cans…and I thought to myself, ‘Well, I wonder where in the world they found beer-can wallpaper.'”

    Turns out the joke is on Kearney as it’s very real spent cans of Budweiser covering the walls and ceiling of every room. The owner, who just died, was apparently a lifelong fan of the King of Beers and wanted to turn his home into a monument.

    He obviously died happy!

  162. Makka

    Ffs Arky, work it out. Yeah I get it, you say the poll is shit. I’m saying it doesn’t have to be accurate to a percentage point to tell a story – combined with other inputs such as electoral trends. Do your own fkg research – tell us what they think down at Repco. Can’t can’t fkg wait.

  163. jo

    War with China? I Imagine USA has not got rid of its neutron bombs. Lots of dead people, good to go shortly after. No physical damage apart from vehicles that crashed.

  164. calli

    That’s much more impressive than the Coalcliff Thong Tree, Bruce.

  165. Rex Anger

    Rex

    The “dude” comment was meant for Jupes. I picked you up by wrongly expanding the copy&paste and then not looking. 🙂

    S’all good. Gave me an opportunity to expand on my thinking, and answer what actually seems to be a fallacy about WA not producing much cos trains go back mostly empty, etc.

  166. Makka

    No Gez, it’s not a mystery. To most if us.

  167. I was once offered immediate citizenship of the US, but stupidly believed Australia to be a better place to raise a family.

    Ouch, Mater. My conclusion is that, ultimately, even with the additional noise in the workings the US system of government is more robust than ours.

    Would the best of both worlds be to become members of the Union?

  168. Arky

    Ffs Arky, work it out.

    ..
    I’ve worked it out.
    Your refutation of my OBSEVATION that polls are used to supress voters and should therefore be viewed with suspicion is: the poll results.

  169. calli

    Polls are sh*t.

    H/t Reverend Archibald

  170. Arky

    Got any other stupid circular arguments to back up the idea that everything is hopeless and we should just fucking give up?

  171. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bruce, isn’t that little nest on my Gravatar delightful?

    What a clever little beady-yellow-eyed sleek black and white bird she is!
    Next one will be a pic of her faffing over her nest organising her sitting session.
    Or doing the calm ever alert helmsperson of the nestship as it sways in the airwaves.
    Then hopefully, the little fledglings.

  172. feelthebern

    Mike Cernovich is usually right about a lot of things…he is one clever dude.

    To my eternal shame, I am only a recent reader of his work.
    I used to scroll past anything of his that was retweeted.
    Not anymore.
    Yes, he is very, very clever.

  173. Arky

    Having said that, depending on the day, I’m also partial to the argument that everything is hopeless and we should just fucking give up.

  174. Dr Faustus

    However, the most effective countermeasure in conjunction withbthe above, is supply interdiction. The PRC is a trading nation (believe it or not), and its prodigious production capacity requires a constant stream of raw materials, resources and food. Ships can be turned bacl or sunk, roads mined, railways sabotaged, bridges collapsed, checkpoints and borders closed, ad planes shot down.

    I’m very far from a military strategist, but the bleeding obvious PRC weaknesses are the concentration of the PRC’s import and primary storage/processing along its southern and eastern seaboard. This is also where much of its large capacity coal and nuclear electricity generation takes place (because demand and cooling water).

    No need for the nuclear option, or horrible casualties. A few hundred conventional cruise missiles lobbing into power station generating halls, transformers and switchyards would eviscerate China’s economy and grind the place to a functional halt.

    Properly targeted on strategic, long-lead equipment, it would take months/years to fully restore. And hard to substitute from inland power sources, because China also has a poorly interconnected grid system.

    You would imagine this whole shut-down package is a major reason why China wants the US out of Korea and Nine Dash.

  175. feelthebern

    Over the past month I’ve been to the dentist 3 times.
    I hadn’t been for 7 years.
    The only work needed was replacing 3 old fillings.
    So the only thing wrong after 7 years was the shoddy work of a previous dentist.
    What a rort dentistry is.

  176. Makka

    I’ve worked it out.</blockquote

    Not yet. I refuted your "interactions" as being of any worth. Your comprehension is shit;

    Arky: So when I rely on my daily interactions with people it’s “feelz”

    Me : Yes you are stating your feelz. Daily interactions don’t figure in my observations

    I don’t give a fk about what you think of polls or how they magically are supposed to suppress voting intentions in a compulsory voting system. If you can’t argue your point then yeah , give up and fk off.

  177. feelthebern

    Tim Wilson appears to zoom from his laundry.

  178. Makka

    Quote fail, but the message is there..

  179. Arky

    I don’t give a fk about what you think of polls or how they magically are supposed to suppress voting intention

    ..
    THEN WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU SPENT AN AFTERNOON REPLYING TO A POST ON THAST TOPICF YOU FUCKING RETASRD>

  180. Leo G

    Zyconoclast posted at 1:41 pm

    FBI Agent Who Uncovered Weiner Laptop with Hillary’s Emails says FBI Leadership Told Him to Erase All of His Findings

    Story reported by the Washington Examiner:
    New details have emerged about 2016’s “October Surprise,” during which the FBI found emails belonging to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on disgraced New York Rep. Anthony Weiner’s laptop, with the FBI official who found the emails revealed for the first time.

    FBI agent John Robertson, who worked in its New York office’s child sex crimes unit and was later cited (though not named) in Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s 2018 report on the handling of the investigation of Clinton’s unauthorized private email server, was quoted by the Washington Post’s Devlin Barrett for his upcoming book, October Surprise: How the FBI Tried to Save Itself and Crashed an Election. Robertson unearthed tens of thousands of Clinton emails in late September 2016 on the laptop belonging to Weiner, the husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin, in a sex crimes case involving underage girls, but for weeks after being alerted, top FBI leaders (including fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, fired FBI agent Peter Strzok, and former FBI counterintelligence chief Bill Priestap) took little to no action to investigate.

    A letter from fired FBI Director James Comey to Congress in late October about the email discovery, shortly after he was finally briefed on it, disrupted the election — and would be blamed by some for President Trump’s victory.

    “The crickets I was hearing was really making me uncomfortable because something was going to come down,” Robertson reportedly later told Justice Department investigators. “Why isn’t anybody here? Like, if I’m the supervisor of any [counterintelligence] squad … and I hear about this, I’m getting on with headquarters and saying, ‘Hey, some agent working child porn here may have [Hillary Clinton] emails. Get your ass on the phone, call [the case agent], and get a copy of that drive,’ because that’s how it should be. And that nobody reached out to me within, like, that night, I still to this day don’t understand what the hell went wrong.”

    Robertson wrote a “Letter to Self” in late October after an Oct. 19, 2016, meeting, during which he implored Assistant U.S. Attorney Amanda Kramer of the Southern District of New York to push FBI leadership to look at the thousands of emails he had unearthed.

    “I have very deep misgivings about the institutional response of the FBI to the congressional investigation into the Hillary Clinton email matter. … Put simply: I don’t believe the handling of the material I have by the FBI is ethically or morally right. But my lawyer’s advice — that I simply put my SSA on notice should cover me — is that I have completed CYA [Cover Your Ass], and I have done so,” Robertson wrote. “Further, I was told by [Kramer] that should I ‘whistleblow,’ I will be prosecuted.”

    Robertson continued: “I possess — the FBI possesses — 20 times more emails than Comey testified to. … While Comey did not know at the time about what I have, people in the FBI do now, and as far as I know, we are being silent. … If I say or do nothing more, I am falling short ethically and morally. And later, I may be accused of being a Hillary Clinton hack because of the timing of all this. … But if I say something (i.e., whistleblow), I will lose my reputation, my career, and risk prosecution. I will also be accused of being a Donald Trump hack.”

    He wrote that “nothing could be further from the truth” because “I am apolitical.”

  181. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Have you been up to mischief, Lizzie?

    Moi? Holds teacup airily (mug today, actually, but a bone china one) and seeks the middle distance.
    It is safer there, studiously examining whatever.

  182. Arky

    Me: The polls are to be doubted.
    Retard: No, you’re wrong. Look at the polls.
    Fuck off and stop wasting my time.

  183. feelthebern

    Arky, dude.
    Yesterday it was Tulsi.
    Today it’s polls.
    You need to restore another car, for the sake of the Cat.

  184. Arky

    Sorry.
    I’m pissed about something else.
    Sorry Macca.

  185. Makka

    Arky, it’s because you are as dumb as a fence post and haven’t yet come up with one single substantive reason why you stated this load of bullshit;

    Any media that retains open comments sees multiples of people still displaying a traditional love of freedom and distaste for this power grab.

    And this drivel;

    Labour is gone.
    That fucker Andrews is on the verge of tears most of the time, and it isn’t because of the wreckage he has caused.
    It’s because he knows it.

    Putting it simply for you, YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT when it comes to understanding the politics of Vic.

  186. Makka

    Ok Arky. Just saw your post. Let’s just call it quits and I apologize also.

  187. Arky

    YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT

    ..
    You are not a profitable discussion.
    You make no points to back up your claims of “observations”.
    I’m done with it.
    People will either agree with me or with you, there is no more information forthcoming from this discussion.

  188. Arky

    Ok Arky. Just saw your post. Let’s just call it quits and I apologize also.

    ..
    No worries.

  189. Makka

    You are not a profitable discussion

    My sentiments exactly with you. No problem and feel free never to engage.

  190. Makka

    Oh fk… clean slate. Fmd.

  191. Arky

    Let’s just call it quits

    ..
    Or we could have a small wager on the next election…

  192. Pyrmonter

    Not worth its own post, but Arnold Kling has a good post up: says he was canvassed for the vacant CoEA chair’s role (it hasn’t been filled); and some good stuff on pandemic recovery. If you want a break from the Punch and Judy of the Open Forum, take 3 minutes:

    http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/no-follow-up/#more-14189

  193. notafan

    Looked up Karen Brewer I don’t think the Websters will get a payday. She’s peddling her muck on YouTube still though. And hardcore Facebook fans incensed over her removal.

    Any opinion on Ms Webster, Anne?

    Seems to be singing from the same hymn book as you.

  194. Arky

    Exactly what you feed him to is up to the winner.

  195. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, isn’t that little nest on my Gravatar delightful?

    Lizzie – I rarely get a chance to see a nest, so your pic is pretty marvelous. The last one in my yard was the crested pigeons in the front tree, but that was higher than my ladder can reach. The kids graduated a week or so ago. Last year one of the noisies had a nest at belly button level, but hers was in a bush in neighbour’s yard and I didn’t wish to trespass.

    Today the high point was a walk around about 4pm. Near the school a kooka spotted me. (This one.) Landed on my wrist and was loaded up with the good stuff. Her hubby was watching with interest from the nearby power pole, but he’s wild and doesn’t know about Coles 3 Star. It was fun since several teachers leaving the school went past and were distracted from their driving. None crashed fortunately!

  196. old bloke

    However, the most effective countermeasure in conjunction with the above, is supply interdiction.

    The withdrawal of US/NATO forces from Afghanistan is the best way to seriously annoy China at the moment. With the western nations out of Afghanistan, the international gee-had would focus its attention on China to aid the Uighurs.

    China shares borders with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan & Kyrgyzstan, plenty of borders there for the mujahedin to come through to make trouble.

  197. Makka

    Exactly what you feed him to is up to the winner.

    Let me think about that.

    The wager with you is ok though. Let’s be fair and make it 6 months out from the election.

  198. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The former chairman of a state-owned real estate company who publicly criticised Chinese President Xi Jinping’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic has been sentenced to 18 years in prison on corruption charges.

    fake charges

  199. areff

    How lovely it is to see amity and good fellowship prevail at the Cat

  200. JC

    Arky
    #3594057, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Loser has to feed Monty.

    That would take days and 24 hour kitchen staff. No one can afford that sort of bet. So one-sided.

  201. thefrollickingmole

    Ffs Arky, work it out.

    ..
    I’ve worked it out.
    Your refutation of my OBSEVATION that polls are used to supress voters and should therefore be viewed with suspicion is: the poll results.

    Well I feel you are both wrong.

  202. Leigh Lowe

    Arky
    #3594044, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:16 pm
    Sorry.
    I’m pissed about something else.
    Sorry Macca.

    Well, don’t bring your anger here!
    It’s not that sort of blog.
    (Or so I am led to believe)

  203. feelthebern

    Why haven’t they released the footage of the Breonna Taylor shooting?

  204. Leigh Lowe

    areff
    #3594068, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:29 pm
    How lovely it is to see amity and good fellowship prevail at the Cat

    Fuck off!!

  205. Leigh Lowe

    OK.
    So the Dan Xi-Man polling is totally screwed.
    Prove me wrong.

  206. Arky

    Let’s be fair and make it 6 months out from the election.

    ..
    I’m poor, but confident.
    I’ll wager you $20 right now that Andrews won’t be premier after the next election.
    And a further $20 that Labor won’t form the next government.

  207. Roger

    How deep is this swamp?

    One of BLM’s biggest funders – the Ford Foundation (long since decoupled from Ford Mo Co) – is working hand in glove with the CCP in China. In fact, that’s the only way foreign charitable entities can gain access to China. It seems the Foundation, which advocates for “social justice” in the US, has no problem with how the Chgine government treats its people.

    But wait, there’s more…the Foundation’s President also sits on the board of Polo Ralph Lauren which has recently been outed as using Uighur internment camp workers in one of its Chinese based factories.

    We’ll even throw in a connection with the Harriden campaign: the Foundation’s support for BLM began when Kamala Harris’s sister, Maya, was their VP for social justice. Harris left Ford to work on Hillary Clinton’s POTUS campaign. She recently gave a conference presentation to Democrats outlining resistance strategies should Trump win in November.

    RTWT

  208. thefrollickingmole

    Armadillos eat anything dont they?

    https://youtu.be/c4aAH3meOIg

  209. areff

    Thanks you, Leigh. I’ll take that as my cue to head for the bottleshop and the evening’s curfew enhancer

  210. harrys on the boat

    That would take days and 24 hour kitchen staff. No one can afford that sort of bet. So one-sided.

    He’s big boned – with something that’s penis shaped just a lot smaller.

  211. feelthebern

    Tasmania needs more marine biologists.
    Is anyone here a marine biologist?

  212. Nick

    How lovely it is to see amity and good fellowship prevail at the Cat

    Sounds like a good double act we can hire one Friday night

  213. Makka

    I’m poor, but confident.
    I’ll wager you $20 right now that Andrews won’t be premier after the next election.
    And a further $20 that Labor won’t form the next government.

    Nope. My bet is Labor will get in again, regardless of Dan as Emperor. So I’ll take the 2nd bet.

  214. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy
    #3593998, posted on September 22, 2020 at 4:36 pm
    Ouch!

    A conspiracy theorist has been ordered to pay more than $800,000 for a series of “deranged” online rants in which she claimed a federal MP ran an underground peetophile cabal.

    Dr Anne Webster, from Mildura in country Victoria, her husband and her charity successfully sued Karen Brewer for defamation in the Federal Court over seven Facebook posts made in late April and early May.

    Yeah.
    Good thing that would never happen at the Cat, eh?

  215. Arky

    So I’ll take the 2nd bet.

    ..
    Done.
    You in Vic?

  216. gafa

    It’s seems to be getting more diabolical and depressing every day. Either stasi guns or financial destruction from a collapsed real-estate market and burnt savings are going to keep many folks trapped in vicalcatraz, with or without lockdowns.
    The Eagles, Hotel California…..

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tasmania needs more marine biologists.

    For feeding fishies or dragging pilot whales around?
    Mac Hbr is full of fish farms, which is ironic given it’s also full of copper mine tailings.
    Almost as if the copper mine tailings are harmless.
    Wash my mouth out with soap for ever emitting such heresy.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    areff
    #3594080, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:37 pm
    Thanks you, Leigh. I’ll take that as my cue to head for the bottleshop and the evening’s curfew enhancer

    We have no curfew out in squattocracy country, but not much is open for dinner because apparently the bug will run riot if more than ten people enter a 500 sq mtr country pub with three separate bars.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    Nick
    #3594083, posted on September 22, 2020 at 5:39 pm
    How lovely it is to see amity and good fellowship prevail at the Cat

    Sounds like a good double act we can hire one Friday night

    Email me and I will sort it out.

  220. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From BrettW at 3:21 pm:

    “BB,
    I raised it when it appeared. The first 100 or so comments on the official View Youtube page were totally supportive of Kim and anti the View panel. Hilarious.

    … see the harpies of The View giving the beans to Kim Klacik? In it, Joy Behar claims she had the backing of the black community to indulge in some blackface. The video of this exchange is fuckwittery on stilts.”

    The public coverage of Kim Klacik has been around for a while now and it is persuasive, yes. Similarly detailed, substantiated background information about dead Breonna Taylor has been around for months now.

    Americans don’t know much about these issues because in my opinion they are incurious; and so bombarded with information that they are happy to disengage and sit gazing blankly at a typically unamusing sitcom or an hour of chubby Oprah patting herself on the back for being generous to cotton chippers and Walmart shelf stackers. She and millionaires Behar and Degenerate wield extraordinary influence over marshmallow brains.

    In Australia we see nothing at all of this – I ignore whatever comes through on the local television, the internet sites and the print media electronic copies because it is simply copied and pasted by our Channels 7, 9 etc from their mass market CNN and ABC.

    I rely on a review every couple of days of several sources in the USA (also around Asia and one or two in Europe) such as American Spectator and American Thinker. They have offered sufficient real information from numerous authors to satisfy my needs for several decades now. I was reading finer detail from a coroner about heroic dead junkie Lloyd Whatsisname from Minneapolis within a week or two, about how he killed himself. The same thing goes for Black Olives Matter – they have been analysed in detail for several years now in a few serious journals.

    Of course that’s all very nice for me however this practice has conditioned me to expect, every time I read about the latest icon over there whose life and times influences voters, revelation soon after of the facts which the mass media never knows when its first breathless half baked dispatches hit the desk – which they never correct or amend or withdraw.

    The mug punter there (and here of course) lives in a world of lies and misinformation and disinformation which has continually become worse, never better, during my lifetime.

  221. Delta A

    I truly feel for Victorians, particularly those locked up in Melbourne.

    But still, the obvious question is not asked: why is Victoria the only state so badly affected by the virus?

    Even NSW, with the Ruby Princess debacle, and a larger population (including dense ethnic enclaves), seems to have covid under control.

    In South Australia, it is hardly an issue at all. I haven’t been into the CBD, but in my travels this past week (including shopping trips, appointments at my GP clinic and Flinders Medical Centre, and a two hour visit to the Adelaide Cancer Centre) I have seen only two mask-wearers, both Chinese.

    We are free to dine out, gather for friends and family celebrations and drive anywhere at any hour of the day or night. Our nursing homes are open for visitors and all children are back at school, enjoying a full curriculum, including excursions.

    Yes, our population is smaller and less densely situated, but the state government seems to have had a more sensible approach from the outset. Significantly, they haven’t been predicting doom and gloom and bombarding people with alarming language, frightening the gullible.

    And no-one – not the premier nor the CMO – has stooped to refer to the virus as wicked.

  222. notafan

    I feel your pain feelthebern

    After being told tooth extraction was currently illegal for Melbourne dentists I trotted off to an ‘oral surgeon’ who for the extremely reasonable sum of $650 broke my tooth*, dug around for ages for the rest of it and then topped it off with a few stitches.

    No hicaps so now I have to wrestle something back from my health insurance.

    *Not looking for sympathy just a demonstration of the million and one ways Victorians are being worked over by IloveyouDan

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