Andrews fronts the Inquiry today

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Daniel will front the Inquiry today. The last opportunity to find someone, anyone, who knew what was going on. From Tim Smith from the Victorian Opposition (it does exist):

I don’t recall. No, those meeting notes with my name do not jog my memory. The decision to use security guards was already made, I don’t know by who. That was not my responsibility. I heard something about the ADF, but I don’t recall what.

Each senior figure speaking before the hotel quarantine inquiry should be made to read the transcript of their evidence and donate a considerable sum from their handsome taxpayer-funded salaries to the victims of this disaster for every time they used a version of those words.

Hundreds of Victorians have died. Thousands of businesses have collapsed. Hundreds of thousands of Victorians have lost their jobs.

The people entrusted to navigate Victoria through this pandemic steered it onto the rocks of the second wave — and are now they obfuscate, buck pass, dissemble and perhaps even lie under oath. It is a conga line of incompetence, insincerity and insensitivity. And it is a gross insult to the families who have lost loved ones because of them.

As for the virus, this is really where we are at.

Can we eliminate the virus? No.

Can we be sure that the death rate will never come back to its previous level? No.

Can we stay in lockdown forever? No.

Can we put an end to domestic travel forever? No

Can we put an end to international travel forever? No

Can we keep the productive parts of the economy subdued forever? No

So what are we going to do? At some stage, in spite of all of the uncertainties, even Daniel Andrews will have to open not just the economy but the whole of society up again, however much his totalitarian instincts may stand in the way.

Going to the comments section of the article by Chris Uhlmann on Daniel Andrews (see Call off the Covid Dogs) an article which was published online but not in the papers, these were some of the arguments of those who support the hard lockdowns and the approach taken by Andrews in Victoria. This is the link to the comments section of the article. You can also find the article at the link as well.

So easy to be wise after the event. If Victoria had just let it rip and many thousands died you would have been criticising the government for not doing enough.

When an existential threat appears, I want a leader who takes the cautious approach.

He seems to suggest that it is possible to ring fence aged care facilities. Chris Uhlmann makes it a choice between saving the lives of the elderly and saving the economy.

The only reason the death rate is as low as it is in this country is because we have taken extreme measures.

Until a vaccine is developed (if ever) quarantine and reduction of face to face contacts is the only effective method at the disposal of Governments to protect society.

The Victorian restrictions have been extreme and damaging. However it was the only acceptable response to suppress infection rates to a manageable level.

Chris is entitled to his opinion but he is no health expert, virologist, or scientist. Nor does he even quote or refer to any that might backup his view.

200,000 US deaths in 7 months indicates that this virus is a highly contagious killer. Aust could have had similar (per capita) stats if we didnt act as swiftly and as seriously as we did.

This is not an ordinary pandemic disease like influenza. When it gets any foothold at all, it does not advance incrementally, but exponentially.

The chief medical officers, most scientists and the WHO advises what we should do. The vast majority of leaders and intellectuals of the world advises what we should do. The politicians are listening and acting on said advises.

The ugly truth is we know that you and some other people either measure success in monetary terms or political terms, whilst you say that the elderly are affected you ignore that there is a growing after affect of Covid in younger people, chronic lung disease, heart damage and neurological damage, what does that do to the economy, how would massive chronic disease where people aren’t dead, but unable to conduct a full days work ever again, or wait and manage as we are.

What bizarre logic: using the success of lockdown in keeping cases/deaths low to argue that there should be no lockdown.

Let’s not just consider the death rates when asking was lockdown worth it. Let’s ask if we really want a large percentage of our community suffering from long term disabilities.

Our society has not been destroyed at all Mr Uhlmann, in fact it has been made stronger bar a few in the tin foil brigade.

Andrews has his constituency shrinking though it may be. There will be quite a post mortem on the psychology of the lockdowns and dealing with irrational fears which will come in company with the visiting of the phenomenal costs on the whole of Victorian society. Eventually, Andrews will be remembered as a reckless villain who brought so much destruction of virtually zero compensating gain. Here’s another cartoon that captures other aspects of the Victorian disaster.

Johannes Leak Letters Cartoon published on Wednesday September 9.

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54 Responses to Andrews fronts the Inquiry today

  1. Boxcar

    If Andrews said it was over tomorrow, it would be over.

  2. notafan

    I see the long term effects scaredemic continues.

    And yes if Dan Andrews announced we won lockdown over forever on Sunday #IStandWithDanAndrewsites would be saying yeah you.

  3. cuckoo

    Does this mean that Michael O’Brien will again call on Tim Smith to apologize for being nasty to Daniel Andrews?

  4. Anonandon

    It has exposed the fractured nature of our political system and how easy we can be subdued. Victoria is a lost cause. Get out while you can, it won’t be a pleasant place to be in the next decade.

  5. nb

    ‘There will be quite a post mortem on the psychology of the lockdowns and dealing with irrational fears’
    A few enquiries to keep the lawyers happy, a new government department ‘The Department for Responsible Government’, which puts out a paper about why ministers should be experts and not drawn from the legislature.

  6. Atoms for Peace

    Wonder if Dan has been perfecting his Sgt. Shultz accent.

  7. MACK

    No different from the climate cult. You can fool some of the people all the time. In fact quite a lot of them.

  8. Roger

    The last opportunity to find someone, anyone, who knew what was going on.

    Steve,

    They all knew what was going on.

    It’s just that lying is their native tongue.

    As for the lockdown, the Oxford study showed that lockdowns in various European countries had no effect on mortality rates from covid.

  9. Kneel

    “200,000 US deaths in 7 months indicates that this virus is a highly contagious killer. Aust could have had similar (per capita) stats if we didnt act as swiftly and as seriously as we did.”

    Ha!
    Take out the two major centres of US infection – New Jersey and NYC (both > 1600/million population) – and the numbers are much, much lower for the USA.
    Take out Vic and the numbers for Oz are much, much lower.
    What does Vic, NJ, and NYC have in common?
    Failed policies that encouraged the spread in aged care facilities, where the vast majority of deaths happened.
    In all three places, average age of COVID deaths is higher than average life expectancy.
    In all three places, the deaths curves show that now there is near zero further deaths, despite rising “cases”.
    NYC curve mirrors Sweden (no lockdowns, no mask mandate for Sweden).
    In all three places (and pretty much everywhere else too), mask mandates were NOT in place when deaths and “cases” were high, but are now when deaths and “cases” are fading “into the noise” of all-cause deaths.
    In all three places, the left runs the show.
    In all three places, the left are suggesting that these places “did it right” compared to “wrong” in places that have less deaths and less cases, despite similar populations (NYC vs Florida, eg).
    For the entire world, IIRC there is one(1) death from COVID for people under 18, despite often quite high infection rates.
    It appears that “herd immunity” for this disease only requires 15-25% to be immune, not the 60-80% as previously believed.

    Get your terminology correct: “confirmed infections” are people who test positive, “cases” are people who present for medical treatment of the symptoms. That is medical definition. This means: asymptomatic infections are NOT cases; mild infections that result in “bad cold” symptoms only and that don’t request or receive medical treatment are NOT cases.

    Oh – sorry. That’s using logic and dispassionate analysis, not “the vibe” that the headless chook brigade use. Carry on…

  10. Diogenes

    And as Paul Murray correctly points , he is fronting when pollies & the PS “take out the trash”, ie Friday afternoon. Whatever he says will be old news and pushed off any putative front page by speculation as to what will be allowed again on Sunday.

  11. Frank

    Wish I could share your optimism.

    There will be quite a post mortem on the psychology of the lockdowns and dealing with irrational fears which will come in company with the visiting of the phenomenal costs on the whole of Victorian society.

    Probably not a realistic one in our lifetimes. As said above by nb, some procedural hogwash that sidesteps the issues in most likely.

    Eventually, Andrews will be remembered as a reckless villain who brought so much destruction of virtually zero compensating gain.

    Again, not anytime soon. He will continue to be feted on the national broadcaster, rehabilitation seems a constant theme there. In the meantime he will grow fat like a cattle tick from the overindulgences paid for by his state pension.

    It would be nice to be wrong though.

  12. billie

    government in vic has tunnel vision, only seeing the end of this and not what happens on the way

    details shmetails, we’ll have an inquiry now, later, whenever that will as usual, reveal bugger all and there will be no accountibility

    if anyone questions it, they are ignored, named and shamed or shouted at with some inane rubbish and all people get out of that is that someone upset the authority person to the point they had to shout .. clearly the questioner’s fault. I have had people tell me this, they have endless sympathy for government

    there is no plan or solution, they are gaming this as they go

    does anyone remember when PM Rudd said he accepted complete responsibility for the pink batts deaths?

    So what?

    he didn’t resign and there were no consequences for him

  13. Struth

    Can we eliminate the virus? No…..what virus?huh, oh yeah, that’s right.

    Can we be sure that the death rate will never come back to its previous level? No………. it will be higher with any luck.

    Can we stay in lockdown forever? No….er yes

    Can we put an end to domestic travel forever? No……….. er yes

    Can we put an end to international travel forever? No…….um yes.

    Can we keep the productive parts of the economy subdued forever? No ……hey the jury is out on that.

    ……………..
    Just answering for Dan and other Commos.

  14. Lee

    What bizarre logic: using the success of lockdown in keeping cases/deaths low to argue that there should be no lockdown.

    LOL

    Yes, the lockdown has worked so well in Victoria (which has by far the harshest one in the country), that Victoria has recorded more than 90% of all Covid deaths in Australia, including virtually all deaths from it in Australia in the past two months.

    Some people are too f..king stupid to be allowed to vote.

  15. Struth

    The problem with playing party politics with this, and Credlin does it too, they keep talking about all the deaths caused by the hotel quarantine fiasco because it is a political gotcha.
    Unfortunately talking about the hundereds dead that would be dead now without corona virus does not allow you to then call out the bullshit regarding the fact that this virus is not deadly.
    So the Libs in pushing this line get to play party politics while keeping the lie regarding the deadliness of this cold virus alive, which reinforces fear again in the many timid of heart.

  16. Struth

    No one dies of this disease that would not have died catching any cold virus.

    The CoD statistics are fudged in larger numbers the more left wing the state.
    That’s it.
    Are there people who still believe there were more deaths from Covid in New York than elsewhere?

    I bet there is, so overwhelming was the propaganda.

    There were more deaths classified as Covid deaths, that is all.
    And the CDC have admitted it.

  17. Old Lefty

    This is interesting, to say the least:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/health-minister-knew-about-private-security-in-hotel-quarantine/12702376

    Given the ABC’s role in the left establishment, it won’t be reporting this out of disinterested concern for truth. Are the left politburo in Spring Street preparing to ditch Mikakos to save their own hides?

  18. A H

    The problem with playing party politics with this, and Credlin does it too, they keep talking about all the deaths caused by the hotel quarantine fiasco because it is a political gotcha.

    Yep, they’re placing a bob each way. The need to be clear and come out and explain that a spike in deaths of the frail due to coronavirus would simply mean a period of reduced deaths in the subsequent time interval. Meaning a few thousand elderly/frail people would die at most 1 or 2 years before their time, more likely less than a 12 months from their time.

    Further to that, it’s impossible to suppress a virus like this, and even if it were it is not the government’s role. Sometimes bad things happen which are outside society’s control. Accept them and move on.

    Carrying on about the metrics, the high deaths, high infections, poor contract tracing is beside the point. This is politically motivated totalitarianism and completely unjustifiable.

  19. Fair Shake

    200,000 COVID-19 deaths in USA. Dying with COVID is not the same as dying from COVID.
    Dying from COVID is 6%. = 12,000. For a population the size of America, that’s a number I can live with.
    Hysteria rules the world!

  20. John A

    Anonandon #3596966, posted on September 25, 2020, at 12:07 pm

    It has exposed the fractured nature of our political system and how easy we can be subdued. Victoria is a lost cause. Get out while you can, it won’t be a pleasant place to be in the next decade.

    There are always the two options: Fight and Flight.

    I am in an age category which makes it impractical to flee, but my preference is to stay in the ring and fight.

  21. Professor Fred Lenin

    The side effects of the Chinese Biological Warfar Attack areamazing
    It ha eliminated the common flu which normally kills thousands yearly,
    It has eliminated climate change ,the opnly people concerned sre carpetbaggers ,
    It has caused a worldwide lying epidemic the increse in lying is astonishing ,
    It is causing US decromates to attempt a coup d’etat to unseat the man who tells the truth ,
    It has introduced compulsory sharia face wear even for men ,
    It has caused a huge loss of memory epidemic amongst Victorian public employees and oliticians,
    It has caused mass insanity ,like Biden for President etc .
    The PLA Biological Warfare Unit has a lot to answer for .

  22. yarpos

    Polticians and senio public sevants claiming to have no ecods, no minutes, no diaoes of events and decisions ae just lying o incompetent to the stafe they should be sacked.

    Seems its impossible to ring fence aged care , but possible to ring fence well run quarantine centes, prisons and wherever pollies gather. This is just BS. This is exactly what the Swedes said they would change about their appoach given hindsight.

  23. cuckoo

    does anyone remember when PM Rudd said he accepted complete responsibility for the pink batts deaths?

    Speaking of Rudd he’s looking rather flushed and, er, ruddy in recent appearances from his secure location. What with the white beard and excess pounds he could get a job as a department store Santa Claus.

  24. Cynic of Ayr

    Andrews was elected by the people of Victoria.
    I have no sympathy for people who elect a Government, then whinge about it.
    Victorians – even the pregnant ones – are getting exactly what they voted for.
    I have no doubt Andrews will be re-elected, because of the above.
    It’s no use whinging about the lack of opposition. If an opposition puts up a valid argument against Andrews, and the people vote for Andrews, continue to support Andrews, in, that’s is definitely not the Opposition’s fault.
    If businesses – and there are many, many of them – who are socialist in nature, and all this BLM crap, then you can suffer too.
    It’s always the same, “Would someone come and save us?”
    Save your fucking selves!

  25. Arky

    Victorians – even the pregnant ones – are getting exactly what they voted for.

    ..
    … therefore: and so are you.
    ..
    Can you leave Australia right now if you want?
    ..

    COVID-19: Leaving Australia
    This page has information for Australians and permanent residents in Australia who want to go overseas.

    There’s a ban on overseas travel from Australia. You can’t leave Australia unless you get an exemption. The Department of Home Affairs looks after this ban. Visit its Leaving Australia page for further information, including details on exemptions to the ban.

  26. Arky

    Remember fuckwits in other states: Victoria isn’t locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with Victoria.

  27. Arky

    Maybe one day in the future, maybe, they’ll let you leave the country.
    Bet you won’t be taking any of your savings with you.

  28. Damon

    Does anyone remember, or have a reference to, a review by an Irish biochemist comparing statistics by country, cited here a week or so ago? I saved it, but it appears to have evaporated. Thanks

  29. Slayer of Memes

    Why does he have THREE lawyers in tow…?

    This isn’t an official judicial inquiry… it’s being heard by a RETIRED judge, and has no legal powers or authority…

    ..and yet Dan needs THREE LAWYERS…??

    There’s something SERIOUSLY fucking fishy here…

  30. Lee

    Andrews was elected by the people of Victoria.
    I have no sympathy for people who elect a Government, then whinge about it.

    I never voted for the thoroughly dishonest dickhead and his crooked government.

    Save your fucking selves!

    I presume you don’t live in Victoria, but Ayr, Queensland?
    If so, easy for you to tell us what to do; but don’t lecture me.
    If I go out and protest or show civil disobedience I risk losing all my savings to pay the fine.
    Don’t forget the piece of human garbage in Spring Street has the full weight of the law behind him; the law which is all too willing to lick the premier’s boots, and ask “how high?” when the premier says “jump!”

  31. Slayer of Memes

    Didn’t both Martin Pakula AND Jenny Mikakos claim at the inquiry that neither of them knew about the use of security guards at the hotel quarantine until sometime in mid-May….??

    So why are they here doing a press conference ON MARCH 29 announcing the use of security guards for hotel quarantine….??

    #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmm

  32. Boxcar

    Damon
    #3597073, posted on September 25, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    this will be the one.
    https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

  33. Some History

    It’s funny watching the Hunchback at the inquiry. He’s usually very verbose. But here he’s reduced to mostly, “Yes” or “Yes, that’s correct”. It reminds of the wary responses of Alan and Charlie at a dinner date.

  34. duncanm

    Arky
    #3597065, posted on September 25, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    Remember fuckwits in other states: Victoria isn’t locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with Victoria.

    But Victoria has none of Rorschach’s redeeming features.

  35. Slayer of Memes

    BREAKING:

    Health minister Jenny Mikakos has sought leave to provide further info to the Hotel Inquiry…

    Govt spokesperson: “The Minister categorically denies that she has misled the Board in any way and has sought leave to provide information to the Board to that effect.”

    I wonder if this is about the ”evidence’ she gave to the ‘inquiry’ about not know security guards were being used “until mid-to-late May” (her statement), despite fronting a joint press conference with Martin Pakula on MARCH 29 where the use of those guards was announced and confirmed…??

    #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmm

  36. calli

    Martin Pakula AND Jenny Mikakos claim

    Prerequisite for lying – have an excellent memory.

  37. Slayer of Memes

    Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos may have misled COVID-19 hotel quarantine inquiry about use of guards
    By state political reporter Richard Willingham

    Victoria’s Health Minister Jenny Mikakos appears to have misled the inquiry into the botched hotel quarantine program after claiming the first she learnt of the involvement of private security guards was in May.

    But more than a month earlier, on March 29, Ms Mikakos stood alongside Jobs Minister Martin Pakula at a press conference when he confirmed that private security would be patrolling hotels housing returned travellers.

    “All of those passengers returning will now undergo mandatory two-week quarantine at those Melbourne hotels with security guards in place,” Mr Pakula said at the press conference.

    Ms Mikakos was asked by the inquiry yesterday: “When were you first aware of a decision to engage private security contractors as part of the HQP [hotel quarantine program]?”

    “I believe I first became aware of the use of private security guards contracted by DJPR [Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions] in the HQP after the Rydges [hotel] outbreak occurred in late May 2020,” her written response said.

    Her evidence has left some Labor MPs furious, who say they were briefed in April about the use of private security guards.

    A briefing note to caucus from the Premier’s Office on April 8 states: “People returning to Australia will be fed and transported at no cost to them, while police, private security and health authorities will be able to more efficiently monitor their compliance with quarantine requirements.”

    A government spokesperson said Ms Mikakos rejected the suggestion she misled the inquiry. “The Minister categorically denies that she has misled the Board in any way and has sought leave to provide information to the Board to that effect,” the spokesperson said.

    When asked about Ms Mikakos’s inconsistencies, Premier Daniel Andrews said it was a matter for the inquiry’s board.

    “What people knew, when they knew it, what people did and the degree to which that was right, wrong or indifferent, that is a matter that the board is actively examining today and every day until they produce a report,” he said.

    “I cannot and I will not pretend to be the chair of the inquiry. That is not why it was set up.”

    That revving noise you can hear behind Spring Street is the sound of the bus being warmed up by Dan’s mates in preparation for Jenny’s ‘retirement to spend more time with the family’ party…

    #BeepBeep

  38. Without pretending for a moment that I know how the inquiry that Dan Jinping is appearing before is run or what its rules are, it seems to me that the questions-lady is asking an awful lot of leading questions.

    I had a Commonwealth Public Sector career in which I spent several years as a Field Officer (fraud investigator) for the 1980s version of the DSS. I was trained to ask questions without suggesting the answer.

    Is this the normal questioning style for Vikostani former-judges (or whatever question-lady’s claim to fame is)?

  39. amortiser

    Andrews admits that he is in charge of a clown show where he has no clue who made critical decisions. He even admits that as the man in charge he is unable to find out who made that critical decision.

    What other option does he he but to resign forthwith?

  40. Slayer of Memes

    Is this the normal questioning style for Vikostani former-judges (or whatever question-lady’s claim to fame is)?

    The (retired) judge chairing the inquiry is the Honourable Jennifer Coate.

    They ‘question-lady’ grilling Denial Andrews is Rachel Ellyard

  41. Thanks, Slayer.

    My training was to ask an open question and then STFU and allow the client to answer in his or her own words.
    Then leave a l-o-o-o-ng, uncomfortable silence to see if they added anything.
    Very often they did, and it was often quite pertinent and revealing.
    It was a different style to the one Rachel was using when interviewing the Dear Leader.
    A more effective one, IMHO.

  42. Barry

    It’s not an inquiry, it’s a press conference. Just the person asking the questions has a wig on.

    The outcome will be identical. Nothing.

  43. Slayer of Memes

    Denial Andrews, today at the Hotel Inquiry: “I had absolutely no expectation whatsoever that in the establishment and the running of hotel quarantine there would be significant extensive ADF support…”

    Denial Andrews, press conference 27 March: “I am grateful to the PM for his offer of support from the ADF…”

    #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmm

  44. Tim Neilson

    Denial Andrews

    Love it.

  45. Slayer of Memes

    People on Twitter keep asking if Denial Andrews or any of his know-nothing ministers can be charged with perjury for lying to the inquiry…

    It should be noted that,, despite the ‘witnesses’ being ‘sworn in’ before they gave their ‘evidence’, the RETIRED judge has no legal powers. She cannot issue writs for perjury or contempt.

    Indeed the ENTIRE inquiry has no legal or judicial powers or standing whatsoever…

    The entire act of ‘swearing in’ the ‘witnesses’ was nothing more than a piece of sham theatre to give the illusion of officialdom and import.

    Anyone who fronted the ‘inquiry’ can (and in the cases of Premier Denial and his ministers, DID) give any answers they like, truthful or not, with ZERO consequences if it is later found that the answers/statements they made had any basis or connection to reality…

    How anyone expects that this sham hearing will provide any answers or transparency into what happened is truly mind-blowing…

  46. ADF support was also specifically offered to back up police visiting homes to ensure people complying with isolation requirements. It effectively doubles your manpower. But hey no problem for infected families not to be checked because police need all their officers to be checking park benches for unauthorised sitting by pregnant women.

    “Denial Andrews, today at the Hotel Inquiry: “I had absolutely no expectation whatsoever that in the establishment and the running of hotel quarantine there would be significant extensive ADF support…”

  47. HT

    I love Leaks cartoon accompanying this thread. Anybody notice the bottom left window of the Quarantine Hotel 🙂

  48. Cynic of Ayr

    Lee…
    So, you’ve given up?
    You have ALL given up?
    It actually stands for All You Ratbags. Never thought I’d get a real example.

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