Private security

Don’t know why it has taken so long for the penny to drop, but just how ludicrous is this:

A senior Department of Jobs official has been shifted from their role as evidence mounts that the decision to use private security guards at Melbourne’s quarantine hotels was partly driven by a well-meaning attempt to provide jobs under “social inclusion” policies.

The phrase looked so innocuous. Private, I was thinking, as in from the private sector. The notion that that socialist nitwit would prefer to use security guards hired from the private sector is ZERO if not less. What a lying swindler he is, finding yet another way to help bankrupt the state. Meanwhile, how much do you believe this?

Mr Andrews told the official inquiry into the ill-fated hotels program on Friday he had no knowledge of how private security had been put in charge of guarding people.

Those words again.

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33 Responses to Private security

  1. John Brumble

    They’ve been trying to lay this at the feet of the private sector since day 1. The emedia, as always, have been complicit.

  2. Hay Stockard

    Andrews is a socialist. Nothing good comes from that. He couldn’t lie straight in bed. Well done Victorians.
    Hope you’re proud of both your Politicians and Police. You have collected the fascist scum of Australia to rule you as well as putting up with your migrant problem. Apathetic delusional dopes. Wake up to
    yourselves .

  3. theleftfootkick

    They still havenot asked a question good question at least for my two bobs worth, whose union were these so called security guards sign up to, I cannot see how they would of been allowed, to start work without a union ticket, which Labor’s politican got the new members? My bet Palukas.

  4. Papachango

    Something I don’t get. All these senior ministers and bureaucrats seem to have ‘memory problems’ about who actually appointed the security firms.
    Why didn’t the inquiry ask the CEOs of the security firms who from Vic Gov appointed them, I’m sure they have better powers of recall. Then follow the chain of command upwards until you get to the key decision maker.

  5. Damon

    There will be a paper trail. In bureaucracies there always is.

  6. mem

    Papachango
    #3597468, posted on September 25, 2020 at 9:49 pm
    Something I don’t get. All these senior ministers and bureaucrats seem to have ‘memory problems’ about who actually appointed the security firms.
    Why didn’t the inquiry ask the CEOs of the security firms who from Vic Gov appointed them, I’m sure they have better powers of recall. Then follow the chain of command upwards until you get to the key decision maker.

    I’d be looking at where the money went as well. Let’s say didgeridoo security firm gets gig pays staff less than award then easy to skim 20% into the pocket of the brother in law.

  7. Good point above. Were the new security guards required to join a Union and if so which ?

    Unified, the indigenous company went from less than 100 staff to nearly 180o very quickly. 1000 of those joining a Union would contribute a significant amount to Union funds. Can’t remember the name of the new Union investigating organisation set up after TURC but they should easily be able to check if there was a sudden increase in members and funds.

    Another obvious point is the senior Dept of Jobs guy is a fall guy. Clearly somebody else not in Jobs Dept decided to use private security guards first and then told Jobs to organise it. Then somebody decided it was an opportunity to help indigenous and long term unemployed etc. How could Unified go from less than 100 to 1800 in such a short time ? They were hiring anybody they could find.

    I remember early on it was mentioned someone in Dept of Jobs had dealt with Unified before which is why they chose them even though not qualified like the other companies. How Unified came to get more than double the work and money ($40m +) of the other two qualified companies combined needs further looking into.

    I saw somewhere that Unified was paid more per guard than the other two companies. This means paid more for less qualified people.

    Follow the money to the Unions and the person in Jobs making the contract decisions which involved millions in favour of Unified. Has the inquiry even looked at that ?

  8. billie

    Has the inquiry even looked at that ?

    inquiries are not there to find things, or look in the right places, they are there to get a result

    perhaps you are not privy to what the required result is?

  9. Hay Stockard

    Private Security? How cheap,and nasty. No auscam,th frighten the punters. That worked out well.

  10. Stanley

    The analysis of this debacle can be limited to the one issue….if the intention of hotel quarantine was to ensure infection control (surely the fundamental rationale), then the only persons engaged to do this should have been properly trained IN INFECTION CONTROL. To employ any one else without the appropriate training and provision of PPE is grounds for dereliction of duty. S A C K T H EM A L L R I G H T T O T H E T O P!

  11. jupes

    Private, I was thinking, as in from the private sector. The notion that that socialist nitwit would prefer to use security guards hired from the private sector is ZERO if not less.

    Yeah nah.

    They used guards from the private sector because, apparently, it was an “Aboriginal” company. Diversity is a strength don’t you know.

    Also whats so hard to understand about the relationship between government and business in Australia?

  12. min

    Unfortunately for Pakula and Mikakos there is video of them standing together on March 29th when Pakula describes arrivals being looked after by security . So both told porkies

  13. Leo G

    Private, I was thinking, as in from the private sector.

    I keep thinking privateer.
    Secret government decision maker, who will disavow all knowledge of his/her own actions, hires top secret commission agents to use WhatsApp messaging to hire “no experience necessary” touchy-feely quarantine guards who knew where they cound get their hands on some cheap sanitiser.

  14. Heino52

    I worked for Unified as a security guard some time ago and I was subcontracted to another company based in Adelaide. Very low hourly rate , no union, and after I retired and tried to get my superannuation the subcontractor declared insolvency. Luckily it wasn’t a lot but is a common problem in the industry The guards on the hotels would be in the same boat . A lot of guards on that job were hired by social media, whatsapp etc. A lot of them would have no clue what to do and the results speak for themselves. Also a lot of the guys would be Ubering. and Deliverooing or taxi driving as well. Infection spread like crazy. Plus the ethnic/ religious background of some guards would have meant that letting their “Brothers and Sisters “ out of quarantine to go shopping etc. which was a bloody stupid thing to do.

  15. Scott Osmond

    Any policy or job title with “social” in it’s description should be given the axe. Always it’s a waste of money and does the complete opposite of what’s claimed to be it’s goal. Diversity, inclusion and equality equals Die. Just ask those in Victoria. . . oh, you can’t because dickhead Dan’s polocies killed them. If the Libs down in Victoria had any balls they would use that workplace manslaughter act to hold everyone to account. Alas, the Libs Australia wide have chosen to be placeholders between Labor governments.

  16. Nob

    John Brumble
    #3597432, posted on September 25, 2020 at 9:00 pm
    They’ve been trying to lay this at the feet of the private sector since day 1

    Yes, I picked up that vibe from my DanFan family some months ago who think “private sector” is a different world peopled entirely by Black Hats.

    Couldn’t have got more public sector than ADF but I understand he turned them down.

  17. Entropy

    Any policy or job title with “social” in it’s description should be given the axe. Always it’s a waste of money and does the complete opposite of what’s claimed to be it’s goal.

    Putting “social” in front of a word always inverts its meaning. Try it.

    My understanding is it was all done in a rush. The call went out to make offers and this company was the first to respond. It got the gig because indigenous company. It was not on the preapproved supplier list, the required tender process was not followed. This company did not have a good history but ticked the social inclusion boxes. The public servant doing the engagement claimed she was aiming to meet diversity goals.

  18. Don’t know, can’t remember, what was the question?

  19. What I find interesting here is that Chairman Dan seems not to know anything about how the virus situation was managed and by whom, when all reports about how he operates indicate that absolutely nothing is done without his full knowledge and approval. This has been stated by Labor members and others in the Labor organisation.

  20. W Hogg

    They used guards from the private sector because, apparently, it was an “Aboriginal” company. Diversity is a strength don’t you know.

    Nope. They SAID they did this to employ an indigenous business because it sounds good and plays well politically to the average VSSR citizen. “Oh what a progressive policy, and they MEANT well even if hundreds died – anyone who objects is a racist.”

    They DID it because the ADF wouldn’t pay kickbacks to senior ALP figures.

  21. W Hogg

    What I find interesting here is that Chairman Dan seems not to know anything about how the virus situation was managed and by whom, when all reports about how he operates indicate that absolutely nothing is done without his full knowledge and approval. This has been stated by Labor members and others in the Labor organisation.

    Exactly. Just as in DPRK, in DPRV nothing good happens unless Kim Dan-Un made it happen personally. Getting the daily deaths down from 30 to the current brilliant 5 was personally due to his measures.

  22. iamok

    Piss off Hay Stockard with your:

    Hope you’re proud of both your Politicians and Police. You have collected the fascist scum of Australia to rule you as well as putting up with your migrant problem. Apathetic delusional dopes.

    Realise for once that along with many other millions I did not vote for these lying, corrupt, incompetent crooks. They and their pathetic advisors and propaganda writers should all be run through the courts then out of town for this destruction of the private sector and community down in this shithole.

    This notion that you get what you vote for, and that ultimately politicians are accountable to the electorate is a load of tosh.

    In my past CEO roles I would not have lasted 5 minutes with this level of lying, corrupt incompetence. More than that I would have been in gaol long ago with people like Dan figuratively then literally dancing on my grave in time.

    Wake up to yourself Hay.

  23. It’s not about you ok, it’s about democracy having limits.

    If we had subsidiarity – and yes even direct democracy (and sortition & confederalism), this mess would not have happened.

    It would not have gone past Melbourne and Andrews likely would have been punted already, and ran out of Federal taxpayer cash to find his wilful destruction of the Victorian economy and society.

  24. Perfidious Albino

    So really, the Inquiry could have saved itself a lot of time and effort if it had just focused on a proper audit of the Unified contract, following the money. Only then calling the kitchen cabinet to appear, lay out the money trail and asking WTF?

  25. Tony Taylor

    The Age is getting right on:

    A senior Department of Jobs official has been shifted from their role

  26. Roger

    Also whats so hard to understand about the relationship between government and business in Australia?

    Cronyism at best, incipient Fascism at worst.

  27. ACTOldFart

    A senior Department of Jobs official has been shifted from their role as evidence mounts that the decision to use private unionised security guards at Melbourne’s quarantine hotels was partly driven by a well-meaning totally cynical attempt to provide jobs under “social inclusion doing what the union thugs and bosses tell me” policies.

    There. Fixed that for you

  28. Another Ian

    Re Papachango
    #3597468

    Getting closer

    “Andrews Government’s $30M hotel security contract with “Australia’s Largest Indigenous-Owned Security Provider” ”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/09/andrews-governments-30m-hotel-security-contract-with-australias-largest-indigenous-owned-security-pr.html

  29. John64

    I said this a few days ago but the real story here is staring you straight in the face.

    This was a stock standard exercise in what The Liars do best – shovelling vast amounts of taxpayers’ money (in this case $40 million) to their maaaates – that has gone horribly wrong. No tender, not a registered government provider, but pesky details like that don’t matter. Contract approved and signed in less than 48 hours.

    Which union are all the security guards members of? And which Cabinet Minister in Chairman Dan’s gang of eight relies on that union for factional support?

  30. Andre

    Andrews lied to the inquiry and to Australian citizens. He obviously was the prime mover in having private security guards do their quarantine work and the premier’s office made sure it happened whether relevant ministers agreed or not. They certainly knew it was being done by their own departments so all of them are also liars.

  31. Robbo

    Andrews, his gaggle of Ministers and the clique of public servants who were in on the shambles are all blatant bloody liars who gave false evidence to this soft cock enquiry. They all claimed to know nothing because that was the game plan briefing they received. They swore to tell the truth and then sat there perjuring themselves. What a disgusting, disgraceful lot of lower than low individuals. Collectively they are responsible for hundreds of deaths, thousands of job losses, the ruination of countless numbers of businesses, the imposition of curfews and lockdowns that have effectively jailed Victorians inside their homes, the terrorising of vulnerable citizens by hit squads of black uniformed police thugs and the push to implement legislation to allow people to be arrested by “authorised individuals” and jailed on grounds that they might be contemplating breaking the virus rules.
    Victoria is now under the control of a Nazi who is supported by morons and goons delighting in the powers they have to persecute decent citizens. I remind Andrews and his fellow idiots that for every action there shall be an equal and opposite reaction. Keep up your persecution and you will need to ensure that your security arrangements are first class because persecuted people will, at some stage, do more than just complain.

  32. Speedbox

    Entropy
    #3597599, posted on September 26, 2020 at 6:14 am

    Have no doubt that you’re correct. I would add that any urgent sole source requirement, the $ value will determine ‘who’ can actually sign off. At a projected $30+m, that would sail well past all but the most senior bureaucrats and is probably at departmental Secretary level. It is inconceivable that the Minister wouldn’t receive a briefing note for a sole-source procurement of that value.

    The whole point of probity compliance is to have a solid paper trail and accountability. Well, that’s the point at least….

  33. Squirrel

    There was an attempt in the past week to run the line that this mother of all stuff-ups is due to outsourcing being the default assumption (hollowed-out public sector blah blah blah etc.) – i.e. it’s all really the fault of neo-liberalism and the Liberals.

    Bullshit, of course, but if the high-level seat-warmers on the public payroll weren’t so grossly overpaid, they could have afforded to employ more people who actually do useful stuff and so would not have been “forced” to contract out.

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