Open Forum: September 26, 2020

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Executed for the Gummint by the head of the Jobs, Precincts and Regions, Simon Phemister.

    His biography makes interesting reading – Honours in International Studies and Mandarin Chinese from Yunnan University, China.

  2. Leigh Lowe

    mh
    #3598227, posted on September 26, 2020 at 3:15 pm
    Disaster Dan now speaking

    “We need to wait until Judge Coate delivers her report.”
    Bingo!
    Pay the Cat who predicted that one!
    Nick? mh?

  3. Mater

    “We need to wait until Judge Coate delivers her report.”

    Will it be classified?

  4. Boambee John

    Ed Case
    #3598247, posted on September 26, 2020 at 3:39 pm
    Hi John,
    Let’s go back to English Common Law.
    It worked well for centuries, abortion was Legal until ”the quickening” when the fetus’s first kick was felt.

    So can we take it that you are less than comfortable with late term abortion? How many weeks is, typically, the “quickening”?

  5. Boambee John

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3598250, posted on September 26, 2020 at 3:40 pm
    Executed for the Gummint by the head of the Jobs, Precincts and Regions, Simon Phemister.

    His biography makes interesting reading – Honours in International Studies and Mandarin Chinese from Yunnan University, China.

    Surprise! Dan Xi man’s liaison with management?

  6. Bruce in WA

    “Never trust a [email protected]

    When I was a young man, I had wet dreams and dry farts.

    Now …

  7. Nick

    Nick? mh?

    Can’t take credit for that one

  8. Neil

    Abortion was legal under English Common Law up until ”the quickening” when the fetus kicks for the first time.

    I have never heard that before. My understanding is the abortion was illegal in Australia until recently and we have the English legal system

  9. Some History

    Hunchback: “I’m going to get it done. That’s what I do.”

  10. Ed Case

    ”The quickening” would be different for each particular woman, so not something that the legal system can quantify.
    Me, I trust each individual woman to do the Right thing there, so entirely comfortable with her judgement, and as i said before, it’s neither my nor any one else’s business.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    Some History
    #3598262, posted on September 26, 2020 at 3:54 pm
    Hunchback: “I’m going to get it done. That’s what I do.”

    Yes, yes.
    We have no doubt you will get it done.
    Whatever it is.
    But will you remember?

  12. notafan

    Grigs is pro abortion.

    The issue of ‘quickening’ is moot. We now know better.

    And I recall number’s little game. He personally wouldn’t have an abortion but he doesn’t feel he has the right to tell anyone else what to. Though he’s more than happy to write to CEOs and lecture them on this and that.

    Good luck with explaining that away when the time comes.

  13. P

    Please explain: Victorian bishops question Premier over different rules

    Victoria’s bishops have sent Premier Daniel Andrews a pointed letter asking him to explain why different rules apply to gatherings in lockdown Victoria, with churches and worship centres seemingly being discriminated against compared to pubs, clubs and restaurants.

    The letter, sent to premier Andrews on Friday afternoon, was made public later the same day.

    It was signed by Archbishop Peter Comensoli of Melbourne, Bishop Paul Bird CSsR of Ballarat, Bishop Shane Mackinlay of Sandhurst and Fr Peter Slater, the Diocesan Administrator of Sale.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Never trust a [email protected]

    Ex pusser I know says the soundest advice he was ever given was “Never [email protected] while wearing summer whites.”

  15. incoherent rambler

    I can neither confirm nor deny that I had bacon and eggs for breakfast.

  16. Ed Case

    In English Common Law, Menarche was the Age of Consent for centuries.
    Somewhere along the line some greasy pol, aided by a slimy newspaper most likely made an issue of it and the Common Law got replaced by Statute.
    I expect the same happened with abortion, what was once sensibly arranged was turned on it’s head, with predictably dismal results.

  17. cohenite

    Let’s go back to English Common Law.

    We never left it.

  18. Ed Case

    ***Good luck with explaining that away when the time comes.***
    Can you find Scriptural injunctions or warnings about abortion before ”the quickening”?
    I doubt it.

  19. notafan

    I don’t need to.

    I can just read the ten commandments.

  20. Arky

    17 “You shall not murder.

    18 “You shall not commit adultery.

    ..
    Pretty much fucking covers that then.

  21. incoherent rambler

    Diaries, diaries. Where are my diaries?

  22. Arky

    Doesn’t say anything specifically about having a basement full of women’s skin suits, but pretty much implied by the rest of it.

  23. Boambee John

    Ed

    Me, I trust each individual woman to do the Right thing there, so entirely comfortable with her judgement, and as i said before, it’s neither my nor any one else’s business.

    So you are comfortable to trust a woman who chooses a partial birth abortion? Wasn’t that previously called infanticide?

    Or is your statement just a cop out?

  24. Neil

    I expect the same happened with abortion, what was once sensibly arranged was turned on it’s head, with predictably dismal results.

    I expect? So you are now making stuff up? You said abortion was legal under English Common law.

    Link please

  25. P

    Cardinal Pell thanks Pope Francis after Cardinal Becciu resigns

    “I hope the cleaning of the stables continues in both the Vatican and Victoria,” Pell said.

  26. dover_beach

    Abortion was legal under English Common Law up until ”the quickening” when the fetus kicks for the first time.

    Ed Case, if you’re happy to leave it to the woman, why stop at the ‘quickening’? Let us say you are correct about English common law, as it stood, the rationale for the 40 days until the quickening is that the fetus was as yet not a living thing. So it made sense given their knowledge of the situation to prohibit its destruction once it was unambiguously alive. And following their lead, we are entitled to do the same and also adjust the limit to conception given what we now know. of human embryology.

  27. Ed Case

    As I said, the issue was sorted centuries ago in the English Common Law.
    That it’s been made an issue again is to no one’s credit, but the political Left has certainly made hay from the Right’s hypocrisy and myopia of the last 60 years.
    Handmaid’s Tale?
    Sounds loony, but what happens to the unwanted babies once abortion is criminalised again?

  28. dover_beach

    “I hope the cleaning of the stables continues in both the Vatican and Victoria,” Pell said.

    Trump-level trolling by Pell.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    “I hope the cleaning of the stables continues in both the Vatican and Victoria,” Pell said.

    I see you, George.
    I hear you.
    I believe you.

  30. Rockdoctor

    The election of industry representatives for SLED Advisory Council membership is based on the following criteria:

    the nominee’s relevant expertise and experience
    the nominee’s active participation in, and commitment to, the security industry
    the nominee’s willingness to seek and represent the views of other industry participants
    how the nominee has demonstrated their personal commitment to compliance with legislative requirements
    the nominee’s willingness and ability to attend Council meetings
    any other relevant skills, qualities and/or qualifications they possess.

    Gender equity and member diversity will be taken into account in keeping with the Department of Premier and Cabinet’s Appointment Standards Boards and Committees in the NSW Public Sector July 2013. This document is available at http://www.boards.dpc.nsw.gov.au.

    Interesting from SLED Link. Security Industry is notorious for charlatans, always has been. Why is it there is not 1 reference to a person being fit and honest to be on said Council? Hazard a guess it is not Ben’s first foray with trouble that Michael Smith will fill in later I suppose.

    Love the gender & diversity clause, council doesn’t look too diverse either…

  31. Neil

    As I said, the issue was sorted centuries ago in the English Common Law

    Link please?

  32. thefrollickingmole

    Plague of Danistian.
    Just to give an idea of how Arky a real one is.

    Also did skin suit enthusiast just call for 13 year olds to be married off once they have their first period, while also calling for womens rights in the form of abortions?
    More Dotage.

  33. thefrollickingmole

    Just in case you were wondering what the grigglebot is happy marrying off.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/menarche#:~:text=Menarche%20symbolizes%20the%20onset%20of,race%20and%20ethnicity%20%5B1%5D.
    Menarche symbolizes the onset of sexual maturity and is characterized by the onset of the first menstrual bleeding. The average age at menarche is 13.8 years; however, it ranges from 9 to 18 years and varies by race and ethnicity

  34. Nick

    It would be interesting one day to know what connection there was between elements of the Vatican and VicPol in Pells’ wrongful imprisonment

  35. cohenite

    Joy Villa for Trump: nice looking conservative black lady who dishes it up the arseholes of the left:

    https://www.facebook.com/joyvillamusic/videos/452285795712497

  36. dover_beach

    Blackstone:

    1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb. For if a woman is quick with child, and by a potion, or otherwise, killeth it in her womb; or if any one beat her, whereby the child dieth in her body, and she is delivered of a dead child; this, though not murder, was by the antient law homicide or manslaughter. But at present it is not looked upon in quite so atrocious a light, though it remains a very heinous misdemesnor.

    An infant in ventre sa mere, or in the mother’s womb, is supposed in law to be born for many purposes. It is capable of having a legacy, or a surrender of a copyhold estate made to it. It may have a guardian assigned to it; and it is enabled to have an estate limited to it’s use, and to take afterward by such limitation, as if it were then actually born. And in this point the civil law agrees with ours.

    So, as soon as the law can be aware that a child in utero is present, it is owed the protection of the law. Ed Case’s argument is now dust.

  37. Tim Neilson

    As I said, the issue was sorted centuries ago in the English Common Law

    I’m with Neil. You may be right but you need to provide evidence for this. Consider the line in “Macbeth” about “ditch-delivered by a drab”. Why did it have to occur in a ditch if abortion was legal?

  38. Ed Case

    ***Ed Case, if you’re happy to leave it to the woman, why stop at the ‘quickening’? ***
    Who else but the woman knows when ”the quickening” has happened?
    We are talking about a time in history when Midwives knew their job and people were God fearing.
    However, it wasn’t ‘‘up to the woman’‘.
    It was The Law, I would assume the penalty for breaking it was ostracism for the woman at the least, the midwife was probably hanged.
    Are you suggesting that women would go open slather if men weren’t allowed to keep them under control?
    Perhaps they would, but from what i’m told, etc, the average woman is going to have x number of kids, no more, no less, irrespective of the number of abortions she has.
    So while her progress through those years might be bloody, or not, she’s only having the number of children she ever intended.

  39. Ed Case

    *** Consider the line in “Macbeth” about “ditch-delivered by a drab”. Why did it have to occur in a ditch if abortion was legal?***s
    Scotland had and has a different Legal System to England.
    I’m not familiar with that line, what makes you say it refers to abortion?

  40. Tim Neilson

    Actually this bit – it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb – looks consistent with Ed’s argument.
    Though the rest of it is less clearcut.

  41. dover_beach

    Who else but the woman knows when ”the quickening” has happened?

    But we now know the child in utero is alive prior to any registered movement in the womb, so why do you wish to retain such an obviously obsolete criterion?

  42. Arky

    “Sounds loony, but what happens to the unwanted babies once abortion is criminalised again”?
    ..
    I put them to work stripped back the paint on the Model A, and buffing the finished job by buffing it by hand.

  43. Tim Neilson

    Scotland had and has a different Legal System to England.
    I’m not familiar with that line, what makes you say it refers to abortion?

    True, Scots law may well have been different so it isn’t a clear indicator.
    4th Act, the double double toil and trouble scene. The previous line makes it clear that it’s abortion or infanticide
    Finger of birth-strangled babe
    Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,

  44. Arky

    Who else but the woman knows when ”the quickening” has happened?

    ..
    Sean Connery.

  45. Ed Case

    1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb. For if a woman is quick with child,

    Not a gotcha, but you’ve made my argument for me by your diligent research, and thanks for that.

  46. Knuckle Dragger:

    Look – I’m sorry, but I just can’t identify anything negative in that episode.

    Look. I think we need to speak to the Doomlord about the video quality for some of the images on this site.
    It’s just not adequate.

  47. old bloke

    Legalise Sedition
    #3598233, posted on September 26, 2020 at 3:23 pm

    So the dumbest people in Europe (the Dutch, obviously) start an “anti terrorist” consultancy

    The Dutch:

    Wooden shoes
    Wooden head
    Wouldn’t listen.

  48. Ed Case

    Thanks, Tim, so Murder according to Blackstone.

  49. incoherent rambler

    FMD. Reichsfuhrer Andrews is planning state forced abortion up to 90 years after birth and the blog is intent on sparring with Hopeless Case.

  50. Ed Case

    ***But we now know the child in utero is alive prior to any registered movement in the womb, so why do you wish to retain such an obviously obsolete criterion?***
    Man can’t survive Rule By Scientists, which is where Legalisation of the Life Begins at Conception
    doctrine leads.
    The old ways were always the best ways, the Abortion Debate proves that when the Old Ways are forgotten, we are lost.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3598298, posted on September 26, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    It would be interesting one day to know what connection there was between elements of the Vatican and VicPol in Pells’ wrongful imprisonment

    Yes, that quote provided by P at 4:19 from Pell is interesting.

  52. Tintarella di Luna

    Mikakos no confidence petition

    Discussing Jenny Mikakos Victoria’s Health Minister’s evidence:

    TdL: Jenny Mikakos reminds me of a lesser Nana Mouskouri with this playing in the background.
    SB: Nana Mouskouri would have given more credible evidence.

  53. Ed Case

    ***Finger of birth-strangled babe
    Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,
    ***
    Alternative explanation is that the umbilical cord has wrapped around the neck during the birth
    and strangled the babe.
    An experienced midwife would be watching for that and loop the cord back over the head with her finger, a drab in a ditch in the dark may miss it.

  54. Farmer Gez, in Mildura as we speak. Up for a beer?

  55. Boambee John

    Perhaps they would, but from what i’m told, etc, the average woman is going to have x number of kids, no more, no less, irrespective of the number of abortions she has.
    So while her progress through those years might be bloody, or not, she’s only having the number of children she ever intended.

    Ed seems unaware of modern advances in contraception!

  56. Terry Pedersen

    the 40 days until the quickening

    16 to 20 weeks until the quickening.

  57. Tintarella di Luna

    So, as soon as the law can be aware that a child in utero is present, it is owed the protection of the law. Ed Case’s argument is now dust.

    And in the temporal world :

    Bearing in mind that, as indicated in the Declaration of the Rights of the Child, “the child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth”,

    – Convention on the Rights of the Child

  58. Maybe I’m dumb.

    https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-for-a-pregnant-woman-to-be-quick-with-child

    **16 wks after conception, meaning about 20wks pregnant**

    So you’re pregnant BEFORE conception???

  59. Gab

    That’s the ”new math” they’ve been teaching kids for about 20 years.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    Potential human life and sentience – Ben Shapiro RIPS Pro-Choice Student At Berkeley I think there could be something in that.

  61. thefrollickingmole

    Note skin suit boy slithering away from the marrying on 9 year olds because their vag starts bleeding.

  62. dover_beach

    Man can’t survive Rule By Scientists, which is where Legalisation of the Life Begins at Conception doctrine leads.

    LOL. If only we had kept the ‘old ways’ we would have prevented the sale of the organs farmed from aborted fetuses to research labs, as well as staving-off ‘Rule by Scientists’.

  63. thefrollickingmole

    The old ways were always the best ways, the Abortion Debate proves that when the Old Ways are forgotten, we are lost.

    Welcome back
    Slavery.
    Divine right of Kings
    Warring city states
    Disease
    Famine
    Killing all the men and carrying off their women (especially the 9 yr olds)

  64. Dr Faustus

    Finger of birth-strangled babe
    Ditch-deliver’d by a drab

    Ditch = open latrine (now remaining as shitters’ ditch)
    Drab = prostitute

    With his usual economy of words, Shakespeare gives us a mini horror story of a prostitute’s unwanted baby delivered, alive, directly into a common latrine, then strangled and dismembered.

  65. Terry Pedersen

    So, as soon as the law can be aware that a child in utero is present, it is owed the protection of the law. Ed Case’s argument is now dust.

    Not dust at all. “quick with child” means:

    at a stage of pregnancy when movements of the fetus have been felt

    Usually 16 to 20 weeks.

  66. Ed Case

    The beauty of the English Common Law is that ”the quickening” happened when it happened, Lawmakers were wise enough to know that a fixed time couldn’t be put on it, so the police were kept out of people’s private lives.
    These days, new laws are being made every other week to catch poor people in the net, perhaps we were better off with Kings, at least all they wanted from us were Taxes and a spot of National Service every few years.

  67. notafan

    There were no police before what, the beginning of the 18th century.

    So yes sure, great point.

  68. mh

    With his usual economy of words, Shakespeare gives us a mini horror story of a prostitute’s unwanted baby delivered, alive, directly into a common latrine, then strangled and dismembered.

    Coincidentally, that is also the 2020 Democrat Party platform.

  69. notafan

    I see no link between Victoria and the Vatican, other than wry commentary about the debacle in governance of both.

    Cardinal Pell had already stated he saw no Vatican finger in the Get Pell pie.

  70. mindfree

    The talk in media is that Victoristan is going to have stage 4 lockdown restrictions removed to go back to stage 3.5 which still imprisons the citizens just some businesses will be allowed to open

    What’s been a convenient distraction for Dan was the quarantine inquiry this week as the bill to allow public servants and unionists to detain and gaol their fellow citizens for thought crimes still is in front of the MLC (upper house) as it has now passed the lower house.

    Wonder if Miss Greece 1980 has any comments to share now she self-shafted

  71. Ed Case

    Bearing in mind that, as indicated in the Declaration of the Rights of the Child, “the child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth”,

    Okay, but are you cherry picking, Tintarella, or do you support everything the United Nations does, carte blanche?
    We have the English Common Law, it worked for centuries, but throw it in the dustbin and follow something written by a Committee of Brutes at the U.N.?

  72. thefrollickingmole

    Ed the grigglebot going the full Moloch.

    Never go the full Moloch.

    Hes one of these people who say dickhead things like “how can Christians vote for Trump, he lies and has had affairs, those are against gods rules….gotcha”!!!

    Seeming to think that somehow means they should vote for people who think killing the unborn, up until (and in some cases as they are exiting the vag) birth is equivalent.

    Its seriously sub par thinking.
    Retarded.
    Mongoloid even.

  73. dover_beach

    the 40 days until the quickening

    16 to 20 weeks until the quickening.

    Indeed, I confused it at first with ensoulment, of which quickening is simply an indicator. Given what we know now, there is no reason to retain the first felt movement in utero as the beginning of human life.

  74. incoherent rambler

    Given the impending AUD crash, will Herr Reichsfuhrer have enough liquid assets to survive in a foreign land?
    Maybe Xi will help him out. Governor of Tibet or sumfin.

  75. mh

    Coronavirus Australia live: Andrews’ ‘utterly bizarre’ conference sparks outrage

    The Victorian Premier has been called “dismissive” and his press conferences “utterly bizarre” after he dodged questions today.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-qld-nsw-covid19-updates/live-coverage/1450c3a75bda745be0ed4af495b2893e

  76. Jerry’s a fun old guy.

    Be like Jerry.

    Not a Miata driver.

  77. Ed Case

    ***There were no police before what, the beginning of the 18th century.***
    A Hue And Cry was raised, evildoers were brought before a Magistrate.
    Then there were Sheriffs, Bailiffs, Taxes had to be collected.
    The Police power has always been around, it’s just that in more sensible times, long past,
    they weren’t oppressing the people, at whim, the way they have in modern times.

  78. notafan

    Wondering about what ‘treats’ Caesar Dan will dangle before the masses on Sunday.

    I’m assuming the curfew 5km rule will remain. 5km virtually unenforceable within Melbourne, will be more so if businessed reopen, curfew much easier, as designed.

    Of course many retailers won’t reopen, packed up, locked up, for lease sign on display.

  79. Tim Neilson

    Maybe Xi will help him out. Governor of Tibet or sumfin.

    Xi might think that “Denial” Andrews [h/t Slayer of Memes, I think] is too authoritarian and inhumane to be put in charge of human beings.

  80. notafan

    Sure sure Grig, always on the look out for hidden pregnancies and deliberate miscarriages.

  81. Delta A

    If only we had kept the ‘old ways’ we would have prevented the sale of the organs farmed from aborted fetuses to research labs, as well as staving-off ‘Rule by Scientists’.

    dover_beach, I admire your technique when you engage in argument.*

    You speak with conviction, authority and rationality. It might have happened at some time, but I have yet to see you trounced in a debate.

    *It helps that I share your values. I’m always pleased to see you express them so eloquently.

  82. Arky

    Wondering about what ‘treats’ Caesar Dan will dangle before the masses on Sunday.

    ..
    An extra hour of exercise per week, Friday movie night and less saltpetre in the mashed spuds.

  83. incoherent rambler

    So who is going to be the Hell’th Minister?

  84. incoherent rambler

    Allowed to stay up past 10 PM.
    Reading in bed allowed until midnight.

  85. thefrollickingmole

    When my little bloke was being born he was stuck (shoulders) and the doc was doing her best with conventional maneuvers to try and help.
    Crowning at times but unable to be born.
    Having some idea of medical crap is not wonderful in that situation, I could see by the fetal heart rate when bub became distressed. The doc did the right thing just before than and asked for a more senior specialist to attend.
    When she arrived she quickly got me to explain to my wife what she wanted to do and my wife refused (exhausted/fearful).
    In a perfect world this is where a caesarian team in standing next door and kicks in, reality was bub was becoming distressed and unlikely to come out of it well or at all.
    Doc nodded to me for the go ahead, I nodded back and a medical procedure which resulted in about 120 stitches took place.
    And a healthy bub was delivered.

    According to the law an unlawful assault probably took place causing bodily harm.
    If you weigh it using abortionist “logic” the doc should have commenced a partial birth abortion once she was sure conventional birth methods would fail and my wife refused the maneuver which would keep them both alive.

    In reality all in the room bar my poor wife knew she was in too exhausted/scared state to make a rational decision and the option of a caesarean would almost certainly have seen bub dead or badly injured.

    Making babies disposable is a bad, bad idea.

  86. Delta A

    thefrollickingmole
    #3598366, posted on September 26, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    Excellent post, Mole.

  87. rickw:

    More A2A!

    Perhaps use a .303 instead of the AR15 which is iconically US.

  88. min

    Who was the Minister who contacted reporter re problems from first day with quarantine ? Article appeared in Age July 13th after emails and documents handed over in middle of the night. It was done because this Minister thought he was going to be fall guy . He has to be next to go .

  89. Tim Neilson

    Alternative explanation is that the umbilical cord has wrapped around the neck during the birth
    and strangled the babe.
    An experienced midwife would be watching for that and loop the cord back over the head with her finger, a drab in a ditch in the dark may miss it.

    Seems untenable to me.
    Why would any woman choose to give birth in an open air latrine unless she was planning to kill the baby?

  90. Arky

    thefrollickingmole
    #3598366, posted on September 26, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    ..
    Were they not properly equipped with a Massey Fergusson and some bailing twine?

  91. miltonf

    Making babies disposable is a bad, bad idea.

    It really is shocking. Like I said, there was a reason why it was illegal. Ehrlich and his zero population growth guff would have given it a good kick along. A lot of these abortion ‘doctors’ must be
    pyschopaths.

  92. incoherent rambler

    Were they not properly equipped with a Massey Fergusson and some bailing twine?

    Too much. A simple wheel puller and the jaws of life ought to do it.

  93. miltonf

    Yet the ABC makes Bertram Wainer at to be a ‘hero’.

  94. dover_beach

    Not dust at all. “quick with child” means:

    at a stage of pregnancy when movements of the fetus have been felt

    Usually 16 to 20 weeks.

    It’s typical for expecting mothers to have an ultrasound before the 16th or 20th week. Are you telling me the child is not alive until the mother herself can felt it moving, even though movement is detected via ultrasound, including the heart beating, breathing, and so on?

  95. thefrollickingmole

    Were they not properly equipped with a Massey Fergusson and some bailing twine?

    Apparently someone had stolen all the twine to assist with a vintage car restoration.

    Too much. A simple wheel puller and the jaws of life ought to do it.

    Fair cop, its a big thing when you look into it.

    But in all seriousness it was awful to be stuck being hand holder when 2 lives you love are at risk.

  96. Gunner:

    I’m staying in, cut myself up pretty bad at work yesterday.

    Piccies or it didn’t happen. Plus a graphic description of the worksafe fail, and estimated blood loss – in gumboot measures.
    Did you cry?

  97. Bruce of Newcastle

    Best thing to happen today was just now.
    I was listening to a 10cc single on Youtube when I heard a riff that sounded like birdsong. That’s funny. So I paused the video and checked the front door. It was birdsong…a magpie wanting dinner. His theme fitted in remarkably well. 😀

    Speaking of best things:

  98. incoherent rambler

    But in all seriousness it was awful to be stuck being hand holder when 2 lives you love are at risk.

    Agreed. Toughest thing I’ve ever had to do.

  99. Makka

    Yes Gunner,

    Did you do a Take 5 or Risk Assessment before you cut your hand? What gloves were you NOT using?

    I can see about 25 forms and 3 interviews in this.

  100. calli

    Is Martin Foley a rello of one Luke Foley, late of the NSW Opposition?

  101. Arky

    But in all seriousness it was awful to be stuck being hand holder when 2 lives you love are at risk.

    Agreed. Toughest thing I’ve ever had to do.

    ..
    I was very lucky.
    My missus grabbed and crushed the doctors hand by mistake.

  102. calli

    Agreed. Toughest thing I’ve ever had to do.

    Imagine being the pitcher. 🙂

  103. thefrollickingmole

    I was very lucky.
    My missus grabbed and crushed the doctors hand by mistake.

    What was he doing at the head end…. oh… oh dear… my mind just did something it shoulnt have.

  104. cohenite

    thefrollickingmole
    #3598366, posted on September 26, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    Excellent post, Mole.

    Yes.

  105. Steve trickler

    Again at 96.1 FM Perth. They continue to play the same music, over and over and over again. They are hopeless and useless. Yet they walk around with their morning coffee thinking they are gurus. From receptionist to production…wankers. Pretentious fruit loops.

    Meanwhile at 882 6PR AM Radio…just as worse.



  106. JC

    Our American friend’s kid went to a midwest university ( yea fly over the country).

    His share- house pal was caught doing this.

    (A few years ago but a goodie).

    “A downtown man may have opted for takeout Friday night after his plans to smoke a pig went awry.
    Engine Company 1 was sent to N. Pinckney Street when someone in the neighborhood reported heavy smoke wafting into their home. Firefighters found a resident with a large plywood container situated between two buildings. He said he was attempting to smoke a whole pig in the makeshift smoker.
    With coals placed on a slab of concrete below, the man said he wanted to speed up the process so he added a large amount of coals to the fire. This caused pig fat to drip and the plywood contraption soon started on fire, burning the pig which had been roasting for the last seven hours.
    He doused the coals with a fire extinguisher and sprayed the pig down with water, and firefighters later applied more water to ensure the fire was out.
    The man was given a copy of the City of Madison’s outdoor burning policy PDF  as firefighters explained that this type of cooking is not acceptable in city limits. He was advised not to cook anymore that evening and to review the burning policy again in the morning.

  107. Plywood
    Extra coals
    Lard

    Hmmm, there’s yer problem.

  108. calli

    Anyways, TFM, how’s melonhead doing now? My three bowling balls are doing just fine, but your story had me crossing my legs. 😄

  109. Rockdoctor

    Interesting, Michael Smith News has already dropped reference to head of Unified Security ongoing woes being for another post on todays release of the contract. Well well well lawyers do work fast, either that or there’s not much to it which I don’t believe…

  110. Nick

    I see no link between Victoria and the Vatican, other than wry commentary about the debacle in governance of both.

    Cardinal Pell had already stated he saw no Vatican finger in the Get Pell pie.

    Nota, I know a Papal Knight who is also a friend of George’s who has no doubt that the Vatican was involved.

  111. thefrollickingmole

    Mellonhead is awesome.
    Mother still makes snipping motions if I mention having another.

  112. Terry Pedersen

    Not dust at all. “quick with child” means:

    at a stage of pregnancy when movements of the fetus have been felt

    Usually 16 to 20 weeks.

    It’s typical for expecting mothers to have an ultrasound before the 16th or 20th week. Are you telling me the child is not alive until the mother herself can felt it moving, even though movement is detected via ultrasound, including the heart beating, breathing, and so on?

    Try not to read it as more than a definition of what “quick with child” means. An ultrasound scan at 8 weeks will usually show whether a heartbeat is present.

  113. Cassie of Sydney

    “Terry Pedersen
    #3598065, posted on September 26, 2020 at 12:31 pm
    she was touting a group Children Who Die Without a Name, pushing a barrow about stillbirth

    Kenneally’s daughter Caroline was stillborn in 1999.”

    So? Many women have suffered from giving birth to a stillborn child.

  114. cohenite

    Apparently mike novogratz is the prick behind the bail project the leftie organisation which funds riots and bails out criminals to reoffend including murdering women.

    The arsehole made his dosh in hedging and bitcoins so was already a deadshit.

  115. incoherent rambler

    your story had me crossing my legs

    The jaws of life was supposed do that!

  116. notafan

    What effect does the Mikakos resignation have on upper house balance of power?

    Now need five crossbenchers to pass the omnibus?

    Aden Somyurek was giving Andrews stick on Twitter this afternoon.

  117. Colonel Crispin Berka

    notafan #3598379, posted on September 26, 2020 at 6:04 pm
    Martin Foley takes over as minister for health

    Now that the stage is his I expect the Victorian Health department to be making all the right noises.

  118. Perhaps no change in the Victorian LHC since apparently the casual vacancy can be filled by nomination.

  119. notafan

    Patten had a meeting with Mikakos before voting to extend state of emergency.

    Nothing much to say publicly about the under bus throwing

    Another question, who decided Department of Jobs Precincts and Regions should manage hotel quarantine?

    They didn’t just stage a coup d’etat.

  120. notafan

    Nelson KP

    They’ll have to be quick.

  121. Roger

    Andrews claiming he did not speak to Mikakos before or after her resignation.

    So he did then.

  122. dover_beach

    Try not to read it as more than a definition of what “quick with child” means. An ultrasound scan at 8 weeks will usually show whether a heartbeat is present.

    Yes, but what ‘quick with child’ means is not in dispute. Are you saying that Blackstone would have ignored information that demonstrated the child in utero moving earlier than ‘the quickening’ as irrelevant to determining whether or not killing the child before the mother herself felt any movement was licit? Do you think his seeing an ultrasound identifying a heartbeat would have left him unmoved as to whether it ought to be afforded the protection of the law?

  123. Eyrie

    Perhaps use a .303 instead of the AR15 which is iconically US.

    Owen gun

  124. Oh come on

    So weird that the Vic health minister felt the urge to resign when such a big majority of Victorians approve of the way the Andrews govt has handled the Kung Flu crisis. I don’t get it. Actually, she probably wants to spend more time with her family. Yes, that must be it. Can’t be anything else, considering so many Victorians think she’s been doing such a brilliant job.

  125. notafan

    Dunno Calli

    He does have a BA from Monash.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mongolian rockabilly about Genghis Khan. I confess that I’m interested how the widescreen comes up on the Cat, but the single is rather good.

  127. Old Lefty

    On the Pell prosecution and the Vatican, an acquaintance who is a lawyer with NSW Labor connections says that quite a few of his legal colleagues don’t find it at all implausible that Mafia interests in Italy who stood to lose from Pell’s reforms would have had their Australian associates call in IOUs from Victoria police. I pass this on for what it’s worth; I’m sceptical of it, but this is a Labor type talking.

    And on the subject of law, I think that on the whole the English common law has been a good thing for humanity (does that make me a genocidal homophobic racist etc etc?). But I’m puzzled by Ed Case’s apparent belief that its tenets are as sacrosanct as if they had been handed down to Moses on Mt Sinai and can never be questioned or changed. Isn’t the common law supposed to be about custom?

  128. Makka

    So weird that the Vic health minister felt the urge to resign when such a big majority of Victorians approve of the way the Andrews govt has handled the Kung Flu crisis.

    What makes you think it was her preferred choice? In any case, no doubt she’s been taken care of.

  129. notafan

    No apparent relationship though

  130. Oh come on

    I mean, what a loss to the state. As if it wasn’t bad enough that the grand final has to be played at the GABBA – the loss of the talent that what’s her name brought to the cabinet is going to be felt keenly by all Victorians. I think it’ll be judged as their primary regret when the history books of this time are written.

  131. Ed Case

    dover beach @ 7.06pm:
    Yes, but what ‘quick with child’ means is not in dispute. Are you saying that Blackstone would have ignored information that demonstrated the child in utero moving earlier than ‘the quickening’ as irrelevant to determining whether or not killing the child before the mother herself felt any movement was licit? Do you think his seeing an ultrasound identifying a heartbeat would have left him unmoved as to whether it ought to be afforded the protection of the law?
    What you are doing here is reinterpreting Blackstone.
    His meaning is clear, you’v e acknowledged that .
    This is no different from what activist Judges have been doing in the American Supreme Court for 50 years, nitpicking the Constitution to completely reverse the intent of the Framers.

  132. notafan

    Get Pell operation tethering started before cardinal Pell’s move to Rome.

    J might have had a connect. That’s all I could speculate.

  133. notafan

    I dunno makka. She had a shot at Danny boy in that statement.

    I guess we’ll find out. Might find herself in a few more witness boxes.

    I thought Somyurek’s Twitter comment about decision making process was illuminating.

  134. Makka

    Olive Makakos is already forgotten, OCO. Any and all fk ups coming to light will obviously be hers to own. But I think Andrews has been wounded. Remains to be seen if it is fatal.

  135. Oh come on

    Nonsense. Don’t be so cynical. There was a poll taken and it clearly showed the majority of Victorians were a-ok with the govt’s handling of the Sino Splutter pandemic. This is obviously all a big misunderstanding.

  136. Makka

    She had a shot at Danny boy in that statement.

    Small potatoes really. Let’s see how the media respond from here. Unless they pull out big gun demeaning headlines in a sustained way, I’d say they are letting Labor and Andrews off the hook. Vic hearts and simple minds will follow.

  137. Makka

    There was a poll taken and it clearly showed the majority of Victorians were a-ok with the govt’s handling of the Sino Splutter pandemic.

    Yep and I’m expecting that to be status quo until new events indicate otherwise.

  138. NRL players complaining to the ref about being called names. Are we really this fragile?

    Whatever happened to lining the $#@& up and $)*^ing burying them?

    Reporter: Well, that tackle was over the top.

    Player: Well, the matter is over now, next question.

    If you wanna stamp out racism, I suggest being the change you wanna be. Like putting mouthy hacks on their arse.

    Go to the ref? What, he’s your Dad!?

  139. old bloke

    calli
    #3598391, posted on September 26, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    Agreed. Toughest thing I’ve ever had to do.

    Imagine being the pitcher. 🙂

    That’s the problem with women, they don’t know how tough it is on blokes going through this birthing business.

  140. rickw

    rickw:

    More A2A!

    Perhaps use a .303 instead of the AR15 which is iconically US.

    I had thought about that, but decided that I wanted modern weapons that we should be able to own, the rifle image is an M4, fits in the frame better, the handguns are glocks.

    Ideally people can riff the hell out of it. If you want to put a blunderbuss on it then go for it! (FT?!)

    In Danograd a Chicom Type 57 might be more appealing?!

  141. MatrixTransform

    If you had to be a slave, who would you prefer to buy you?

    Dan Murphy

  142. I can see about 25 forms and 3 interviews in this.

    Smart asses!
    Correct though. Only two fingers on stainless steel, no gloves, no stitches, went home.
    Possibly getting a written warning from the boss, who personally came to site. Lots of forms.
    Ridiculous.

  143. Gab

    Cdl Pell takes a swipe at Beccui and VicPol in the same sentence. Excellent.

  144. no stitches

    FFS you can do this at work having lunch – cut an apple, slip over on kitchen floor etc.

    What a joke, I hope you have a stronger constitution than Jerry Nadler. Or m0nty.

  145. Steve trickler

    Gunner, jump in the passenger seat.



  146. vlad

    Gorton staying, abolish conscription, get out of ‘nam, Labor loses in ’72 and maybe Australia would have been a far better place.

    My fantasy is Calwell winning in 1961, Australia never entering Vietnam, the local left deprived of a sixties cause to rally round, Whitlam never getting the leadership, and the Libs coming back in, probably in 1969, for a further 23 years in office.

    Australia would have better far, far better off.

  147. Oh come on

    It’s probably the Murdoch press’s doing. They’ve been waiting for a chance to take her down. I reckon it’s because she’s a woman.

  148. rickw

    no stitches

    How much super glue?! That’s what I use!

  149. Eyrie:

    Owen gun

    Actually, I thought of that, but decided against as people may not have recognised the iconicness.
    But when you mentioned it, I had an image flash into my head of an Aussie soldier, in jungle greens, advancing with an Owen submachine gun.
    So, OK, go with the Owen…

  150. cohenite

    But I’m puzzled by Ed Case’s apparent belief that its tenets are as sacrosanct as if they had been handed down to Moses on Mt Sinai and can never be questioned or changed. Isn’t the common law supposed to be about custom?

    CL indeed became very rigid and formulistic; as a result Equity was invented as a relief for the harshness of the CL.

  151. P

    Cdl Pell takes a swipe at Beccui and VicPol in the same sentence. Excellent.

    I think he knew that Beccui was sacked.

  152. Neil

    Australia would have better far, far better off.

    Whitlam did so much damage. Socialised medicine seems to work OK but who knows how many extra people have died because of it. But we still have private health insurance which may be a good thing.

    But Gough increased govt spending by 19.9% in 1974 and 15.7% in 1975 trashing the budget for a generation. It was not until Howard in 1996 did we start reducing govt debt and running surplus budgets regularly.

  153. rickw

    7.62 X 54R fun! We should convince the pollies that a cartridge from 1891 is obsolete!

  154. Boambee John

    Winston

    But when you mentioned it, I had an image flash into my head of an Aussie soldier, in jungle greens, advancing with an Owen submachine gun.
    So, OK, go with the Owen…

    Using a soldier in the image implies that weapons are only for soldiers. I am not so fussed about the .303, which is readily recognisable, but something relatively innocuous, such as a semi-auto .22, might project a less threatening image to the users of fainting couches?

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My fantasy is Calwell winning in 1961

    Anthony Albanese has attended the Arthur Augustus Calwell school of speech and diction..

  156. mh

    On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher stated that Judge and prospective Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett is “a fucking nut” and remarked that he was right about religion.

    Maher said Barrett is “a fucking nut. Religion, I was right about that one too. … Amy Coney Barrett, Catholic, really Catholic. I mean really, really Catholic, like speaking in tongues, like she doesn’t believe in condoms. Which is what she has in common with Trump. Because he doesn’t either. I remember that from Stormy Daniels. So, she’s going to be on the court.”

  157. Boambee John

    Or a short extract from Smiley Gets a Gun might go well on the teev, an avuncular Chips R and the eager youth?

  158. zyconoclast

    French woman punched in face by three men ‘for wearing skirt’
    ‘Look at that whore in a skirt,’ said one of the men prior to attack

    The 22-year-old woman, identified only as Elisabeth, said she was attacked in broad daylight in the city of Strasbourg while she was walking home.

    Two of the three men held her while the third hit her in the face, leaving her with a black eye before they fled. There were over a dozen witnesses to the attack but no one intervened, she said.

    The minister announced the recruitment of 80 social workers to be stationed in police stations and gendarmerie brigades to support victims of street harassment and gender-based and sexual violence.

    The incident comes after a 18-year-old man was handed a two-month suspended prison sentence after he assaulted two women who were waiting for a tram in Mulhouse.

    The man claimed one of the women’s outfits was too short and pushed her to the ground. He was detained on Wednesday and sentenced the following day under a special fast-track procedure allowed under French law.

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher stated that Judge and prospective Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett is “a fucking nut”

    Bill Maher, there’s your problem.

  160. notafan

    Poor Maher. Didn’t know Barrett was already on a court.

  161. zyconoclast

    Google removes street view virtual tour of Australia’s Uluru

    SYDNEY: Google has removed images from its Street View that allowed users to virtually walk on Australia’s Uluru, a sacred Aboriginal site closed to tourists since last year, the company said Friday.

    Parks Australia had asked that the user-contributed images be taken down in line with the wishes of the Anangu people who are the traditional owners of the World Heritage site.

    “We understand Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park is deeply sacred to the Anangu people,” a Google spokesperson said.

    “As soon as Parks Australia raised their concerns about this user contribution, we removed the imagery,” they said.

  162. Boambee John

    My fantasy is Calwell winning in 1961

    The last “old” Labor leader, followed by a conga line of over credentialled devotees of trendy inner city fashions.

  163. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    When your (previously) loyal subjects are revolting 🤪

    Chuck a big fat utterly useless greek bint under the nearest approaching bus! 🦕

    Disasterstan! 🙃

  164. cohenite

    mh
    #3598472, posted on September 26, 2020 at 7:54 pm
    On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher stated that Judge and prospective Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett is “a fucking nut” and remarked that he was right about religion.

    Maher is a grub; what am I saying; everyone from the left is a grub.

  165. Google.

    I didn’t ask for your “help”.

    Product availability may be limited, and we’ve removed results with excessive price increases.

    Which is great because I don’t want to buy cheap crap.

  166. Boambee John

    Bill Maher looks a bit like “Shit happens” Riley.

  167. zyconoclast

    How Beethoven’s 5th Symphony put the classism in classical music

    Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony starts with an anguished opening theme — dun dun dun DUNNNN — and ends with a glorious, major-key melody. Since its 1808 premiere, audiences have interpreted that progression from struggle to victory as a metaphor for Beethoven’s personal resilience in the face of his oncoming deafness.

    Or rather, that’s long been the popular read among those in power, especially the wealthy white men who embraced Beethoven and turned his symphony into a symbol of their superiority and importance. For some in other groups — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony may be predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism.

  168. 1735099

    But Gough increased government spending

    Morrison has done the same…..on steroids.

  169. I have never met an orthodox Christian (Catholic) who spoke in tongues.

    The middle class lefties don’t even know what Catholics are.

    They think Catholics are Assemblies of God with a Episcopalian hierarchy and baroque trappings.

  170. Boambee John:
    Wasn’t suggesting using a soldier silhouette, just the weapon.
    Anyway, checking up on prices for bumper stickers…

  171. Bruce of Newcastle

    Morrison has done the same…..on steroids.

    Send the bill to Xi.
    It’s his virus.

  172. old bloke

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3598432, posted on September 26, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    Mongolian rockabilly about Genghis Khan.

    Interesting video Bruce, interesting as the Jooish sages say that the region from Mongolia to the North Korean peninsula is that land called Magog in the prophecies, and the black flag reference is the sign of the approaching Mahdi.

  173. cohenite

    Monolithic insanity
    Marc Hendrickx, author of of The Right to Climb Ayers Rock, has lifted his jaw off the floor to address Google’s compliance with a Parks Australia request that it black out, so to speak, a virtual tour of the monolith. He writes:
    Not happy with ignoring the wishes of past owners who encouraged visitors to climb (men like Tiger Tjalkalyrri and Mitjenkeri Mick), or destroying their income as visitor numbers plummet to lows last seen prior to William Gosse’s first visit in 1873 the current ‘owners’ now want blurry images of the climb available through Google Earth to be censored.
    And sadly it seems Google has complied with this outrageous censorship.
    Can 2020 get any lower?
    Marc expanded on the absurdity of the ban with 3AW’s Neil Mitchell. Their conversation can be heard in full here.
    https://omny.fm/…/googles-bizarre-decision-to-remove…
    https://quadrant.org.au/

    I bet all the 3rd nation activists are on the public teat; what am I saying, of course they are.

  174. FFS you can do this at work having lunch – cut an apple, slip over on kitchen floor etc.

    Yeah, it’s a joke. I would have stayed at work, but after such a palaver (and having plenty of sick leave) I bailed home.
    Basically if you present for any first aid then it becomes a “reportable incident”.
    Nanny state writ large.

  175. Gunner, jump in the passenger seat

    Thanks, Steve. Sent to my Grik Ford boys.

  176. Neil

    Morrison has done the same…..on steroids.

    Whitlam increased govt spending for no reason other than he liked socialism.

    But i would not like to be in govt now. If govt shuts down private enterprise i guess you have to compensate them. But Rudd started a runaway debt truck (like Whitlam did) and Morrison has exploded govt debt.

    Fact is i think we are faced with growing govt debt for many years. Shows how great Howard/Costello were. They are the only govt since 1972 to reduce govt debt

  177. zyconoclast

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3598382, posted on September 26, 2020 at 6:07 pm
    Best thing to happen today was just now.

    Speaking of best things:

    This is better

  178. Anyway, checking up on prices for bumper stickers…

    Good stuff.
    Stickers are a great way to spread the message!

  179. MatrixTransform

    Nanny state writ large.

    4 points of contact with the ladder at all times.
    what’s so hard to understand?

    if you let go of the ladder then make sure you’re reaching for the … electrical tape

  180. rickw

    More fun that is banned in Australia:

  181. rickw

    Using a soldier in the image implies that weapons are only for soldiers. I am not so fussed about the .303, which is readily recognisable, but something relatively innocuous, such as a semi-auto .22, might project a less threatening image to the users of fainting couches?

    Fainters are going to faint. Fuck them! Straight at it, no compromise. We never aim far enough in front of the target!

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is better

    Zyco – I like the original better, but the remix is pretty good. I recall ABC Rage would play the remix from time to time. Another fine track from them: these here are crazy times!

  183. dover_beach

    What you are doing here is reinterpreting Blackstone.
    His meaning is clear, you’v e acknowledged that .
    This is no different from what activist Judges have been doing in the American Supreme Court for 50 years, nitpicking the Constitution to completely reverse the intent of the Framers.

    Not at all. Blackstone identifies ‘the quickening’ as the clearest sign of life available to persons circa mid-1700s and so he argues

    1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb.

    which clearly allows that if we find that a child in utero ‘stirs’ earlier than the mother notices that it indeed falls within the contemplation of the law. He doesn’t say as soon as a mother feels any such movement, he says only as soon as the infant is able to stir.

  184. Snoopy

    Parks Australia had asked that the user-contributed images be taken down in line with the wishes of the Anangu people who are the traditional owners of the World Heritage site.

    “We understand Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park is deeply sacred to the Anangu people,” a Google spokesperson said.

    A 50km exclusion zone must be put in place around Ayer’s Rock. Traditional owners only allowed within. No tourists, no service delivery apart from that delivered by TO’s.

    Respect.

  185. Top Ender

    For the benefit of male Cats, it is possible to survive in a lingerie store.

    Mrs Te and various female relatives prevailed on me to go with them for an afternoon cup of tea, and a “brief visit” to said store. Of course their idea of brief was 45 minutes or so.

    Apparently it is normal enough to have a male bodyguard/escort or whatever in these places, and they provide comfortable chairs. Unfortunately mine was in the middle of the store, and I had to determinedly keep my nose in the book I brought along.

    The prices seem outrageous, if you measure what they get material-wise.

    Never again.

  186. Gab

    I’ve never been interested in Ayres Rock, climbing it much less so.

    It’s pretty in pictures though.

  187. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    For poor ol’ Gunner, schlockeddown in Mosquebourne

    Like Louis Armstrong …

  188. Top Ender

    Obviously, we must al contact Google to demand that the backyard icon we all have is removed from their image collection as it is sacred.

    Here are their phone numbers and so on:

    https://www.dridainfotech.com/gmail-support.html

  189. Can’t believe the nightlife in Mildura. Bars packed, couldn’t get a reservation to the Workers who are only seating 10 inside, so the other joints are very well attended. Grand Hotel looked chockers. Great place.

  190. Terry Pedersen

    Reading too much into it. Your Blackstone quote included reference to “quick with child”. None of the other things Blackstone said supported your inference:

    So, as soon as the law can be aware that a child in utero is present, it is owed the protection of the law. Ed Case’s argument is now dust.

    So, I said:

    Not dust at all. “quick with child” means:

    at a stage of pregnancy when movements of the fetus have been felt

    Usually 16 to 20 weeks.

  191. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #3598515, posted on September 26, 2020 at 8:32 pm

    Mos ques too?

  192. rickw

    Can’t believe the nightlife in Mildura. Bars packed, couldn’t get a reservation to the Workers who are only seating 10 inside, so the other joints are very well attended. Grand Hotel looked chockers. Great place.

    What is this “Bar” thing you speak of?

  193. Ed Case

    Blackstone said:

    1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb.

    Dover beach says:
    which clearly allows that if we find that a child in utero ‘stirs’ earlier than the mother notices that it indeed falls within the contemplation of the law. He doesn’t say as soon as a mother feels any such movement, he says only as soon as the infant is able to stir.
    Okay, so before that point, you are okay with abortion?

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Black Ball

    #3598522, posted on September 26, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    Can’t believe the nightlife in Mildura. Bars packed, couldn’t get a reservation to the Workers who are only seating 10 inside

    What’s the temperature BB?
    Al Fresco notta da go downa here.
    As a kid I remember the Working Man’s Club had the longest bar in the universe … or something.
    But only 10 inside?

  195. Steve trickler

    Nice reboot.

    Commercial FM play the original, over and over and over again. Drops of water on the forehead.

    Do check this out. Nice change. Phil would agree.



  196. stackja

    Daniel Andrews stands by Chris Eccles despite disastrous decision
    A day after criticising his most senior bureaucrat for the disastrous decision not to pass on a federal offer of ADF troops to help run hotel quarantine, Daniel Andrews has softened his stance.

    Matt Johnston, Sunday Herald Sun
    Subscriber only
    |
    September 26, 2020 8:23pm

    Mr Eccles, who has been instrumental in manoeuvring the public service to accommodate the Premier’s plans since he rose to power, is understood to have been stunned by Mr Andrews’ evidence before the hotel inquiry on Friday.

  197. Very fresh Leigh Lowe. Yes called to make a reservation at Workers on Wednesday night only to be disappointed. I believe the bar has been shortened also.

  198. Arky

    Hurry up and bring on CANZUS.

  199. Lock 11 a nice area. The tracks featuring very attractive women in activewear. Head was swivelling somewhat

  200. Arky

    CANZUK.
    Add in the US too:
    CANZUKUS
    or
    CANZUSUK

  201. vlad

    I saw some ALP posters today in Northcote – Northcote!! – defaced by anti-Dan graffiti.

    A hopeful sign.

  202. Siltstone

    Mr Eccles may have copies of interesting documents (in multiple secure locations)

  203. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Arks – why?

  204. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    UK/US/A

    Enough.

  205. Arky

    Arks – why?

    ..
    Free movement between four English speaking countries.
    Get sick of Australia, move to UK or Canada no problems.
    Becomes a major global power.
    Blocks out Chinese influence among our retarded pollies.
    Pisses of the continentals.
    There is no downside.
    None at all.

  206. Arky

    With free movement between those countries the progressives would no longer have citizens in each of them trapped and suffering when they get in.
    At least one of them at any time would have conservatives in power.
    Allied to the US it’s fricking huge.

  207. Good work, Spurg.
    Takes me back to my salad days.
    Nineteen ninety motherfuckin’ One!

  208. Arky

    Canada has nuclear power, and the UK has nukes.
    Already with that we would be part of something shitloads better than this fucking fly- blown backward hole.

  209. Ed Case

    CANFUKUSUKUP is bad news for TailGunner.
    Every construction worker in England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland put out of work by Poles flooding the UK will be turning up on our sites driving down wages.

  210. notafan

    Grigs B1 and B2 show is getting tedious.

    I’m sure if Blackstone had access to a microscope and a ultrasound machine he would have taken a very different view.

    You on the other hand think that humanity is ordained by the mother.

  211. rickw

    UK/US/A

    Enough.

    Exactly, who would bring not one but two irritating little brothers on a road trip!

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    All day, the number one subject’s been medieval mummy blogging.

    Thanks Christ this was said earlier:

    ‘Who else but the woman knows when ”the quickening” has happened?’
    ..
    ‘Sean Connery.’

    The Kurgan: “I know his name.’

  213. rickw

    Already with that we would be part of something shitloads better than this fucking fly- blown backward hole.

    We should surrender to the USA.

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    Someone also mentioned fainting couches, which is of course excellent.

  215. P

    Clifton Clowers was just helping his daughter to self isolate. Was ahead of his time.

  216. mh

    You know it makes sense

    Bulgarian soccer fans support Kyle Rittenhouse

    https://nationalfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/bulgaria.png

  217. Ed Case

    Blackstone wrote at a time when the idea that a Country’s Laws ought to benefit it’s citizens was accepted as common sense.
    What he would make of a Country where something as malevolent as, say, the ACCC, is accepted as legit, is anyone’s guess.
    Using microscopes and Ultrasounds to work out if that Embryo has ”Stirred’ yet and is deserving of round the clock police guard until delivery?
    We’re in an Age where the entire State Apparatus is devoted to pettifogging and Nitpicking in the never ending search to uncover wrongdoing

  218. Nick

    How fucked up is that Ch7 show, The Full Monty? Who wants to see Patty Newton get her gear off? Yuck.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3598557, posted on September 26, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    How fucked up is that Ch7 show, The Full Monty? Who wants to see Patty Newton get her gear off? Yuck.

    Oh Jesus!
    Really?
    Patty?

  220. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    For Gunner – he knows how to Pardee Hard

    I used to try very hard, to make friends, with every woman on the planet …

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    Nick:

    ‘The show is a new supersized version of the specials The Real Full Monty in 2018 and The All New Monty and The All New Monty: Ladies Night both in 2019.

    ‘The format sees Australian celebrities bare all while kickstarting conversations about men’s and women’s cancers and the importance of early detection.’

    Why are you doing this to yourself? Is this a crotch fruit thing?

  222. Steve trickler

    😉 Social Media.



  223. Well thank Christ they’re raising awareness and starting conversations (“little talks” as sophisticated imbeciles call them).

    For brain bleach of course.

    I’ve saved thousands on therapy since I’ve switched to Chlorox and Mia Maievska.

  224. Nick

    Why are you doing this to yourself? Is this a crotch fruit thing?

    Watching Django unchained on the teev. They promote the crap out of the show. You can’t polish a turd.

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