Open Forum: September 26, 2020

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3599918, posted on September 28, 2020 at 9:51 am

    Leigh, I hope she uses the term ‘in league with Lucifer’ in a Celtic accent.

    She probably won’t do any of those things, but we can only hope.
    Coincidentally I was prompted to look up Clarence Thomas’ confirmation hearing just the night before RBG bought the farm.
    When he delivered that spray about a “high tech lynching” there were a lot of Demoncrats looking at their shoes for inspiration and I swear one of them said “Beam me up”.

  2. Mother Lode

    Are we taking the piss?? Roger Moore died in 2017.

    On the off chance…yes, woolfe. It is an ongoing joke.

    We know he died in 2017. At the Alamo. Alongside Barry Crocket. And John Wayne.

  3. feelthebern

    The real issue with the US wealthy is their abuse of the not for profit laws & regulation.
    Trump’s charitable foundation(s) are legal, but immoral.
    Just like the Clintons various foundations.
    The difference is, the Clintons shook down nations for dosh while Hillary was Sec State.
    Can’t see the Australian tax payer giving 300million to a Trump charity, like we did to the Clinton “Let’s Steal from Haiti” Foundation (or whatever it was called).

  4. JC

    I see the October surprise came out in September.

    Something doesn’t make sense in the hit piece. It reckons Trump received a $77 million tax refund. To receive a tax refund you had to have made money in a previous year. That is, reportable income for the previous 3 years. But the hit piece says he hasn’t made income from 2004 to 2018. In the US, you can only carry losses into future years for 3 years after which the loss extinguish.

  5. cohenite

    Top Ender
    #3599875, posted on September 28, 2020 at 9:15 am
    I should have posted this two days ago:

    One of the last survivors of the first Darwin air raid is 100 this Saturday

    Brian Winspear, originally from Tasmania, was an air gunner and wireless operator in Hudson bombers in World War II.

    That name rings a bell. My 2 uncles were in Darwin when the Japs arrived. One went on to the Kokoda Trail, the other was sapper in the Pacific islands. The sapper was the eldest and when he came home ran his own farm and built some bridges in the Hunter valley. The younger uncle continued to work on the family farm. My father was the youngest brother and after the Darwin bombing, despite being too young to join, ran away a number of times to be with his brothers. His father, a WW1 veteran, had to drag him off the trains a number of times and after that he was given an honorary membership of the forces stationed at Singleton. My eldest uncle died a few years back just shy of his 100th. It was said that the only time he showed fear was when the bill was presented. They were great men.

  6. Roger

    We know he died in 2017. At the Alamo. Alongside Barry Crocket. And John Wayne.

    Thankfully, Custer survived but later met his match fighting the Injuns on the Great Plains.

  7. twostix

    NYT and their low IQ lickspittles have gone from years of “exposing” Trump as a literal Russian / Putin KGB asset who will be tried for treason back to…well he’s not really a billionaire.

    Strange right?

    The whole Russian spy thing isn’t important a month before the election?

    Almost like it was all completely made up bullshit.

  8. Mother Lode

    Donald Trump: ‘I’m Not Joking’ About Debate Drug Test for Joe Biden

    President Donald Trump said Sunday that he was not joking about the need for a drug test ahead of the first presidential debate with former Vice President Joe Biden.

    Would standard drug tests also lead to detection of some medications? Perhaps ones for dementia etc. If some of the classes of the chemicals (narcotics vs prescribed medicines) overlap.

  9. Trump income tax payment in 2016: $750.

    Trump payment to porn star for staying quiet about him cheating on his third wife who was caring for his newborn son in 2016: $130,000.

  10. Tax talk has Monty fired up and back in the game!

  11. feelthebern

    One of the biggest crooks in the BHO administration was Lois Lerner.
    She weaponised the IRS to go after conservative or libertarian not for profits.
    One of the sweetest videos is seeing her run from scrutiny.

  12. mh

    As long as Gene Wilder is still with us.

  13. JC

    Trump income tax payment in 2016: $750.

    Trump payment to porn star for staying quiet about him cheating on his third wife who was caring for his newborn son in 2016: $130,000.

    At least he didn’t rape her or go around sniffing kid’s hair like Hiden.

  14. feelthebern

    Lois Lerner reminds me of the weasels that Dan Andrews has surrounded himself with.

  15. Makka

    Would standard drug tests also lead to detection of some medications? Perhaps ones for dementia etc. If some of the classes of the chemicals (narcotics vs prescribed medicines) overlap.

    The tests can pick up pretty much anything that is targeted for testing. No doubt Trump’s team will have a wide range of meds to target in the test. Considering the medication Hiden is on just to be functional, I’d say they will have no problem.

  16. twostix

    It’s 2015 all over again!

    “Trump’s not a real billionaire!”

    “Bankrupt”

    “Affairs!”.

    But no talk of Treason? Putin? Trump being a Russian spy?

    We were promised so much.

  17. Cassie of Sydney

    “She weaponised the IRS to go after conservative or libertarian not for profits.”

    Yep…instructed by Obama.

  18. Joe Hiden has repeatedly said he was a student at Delaware State University. The Uni has come out and said he was never a student.
    Lol.
    Does this guy tell any truth?

  19. cohenite

    Trump payment to porn star for staying quiet about him cheating on his third wife who was caring for his newborn son in 2016: $130,000.

    You vile little turd. Stormy wasn’t fucked by Trump, except in court. The whore was shaking down clients in one of Trump’s casinos and he made a business decision to pay off the whore. She lost in court and her CPL went to jail.

  20. feelthebern

    Does this guy tell any truth?

    Are you saying Corn Pop didn’t exist?

  21. Makka

    Does this guy tell any truth?

    And he has 3 degrees and graduated in the top 25% of his class.

  22. 1735099

    Dettol Donny spent $70000 on hair care.
    He was ripped off.

  23. incoherent rambler

    he has 3 degrees and graduated in the top 25% of his class

    Like the compromised voices here, it is:
    As he remembers it.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Would standard drug tests also lead to detection of some medications? Perhaps ones for dementia etc. If some of the classes of the chemicals (narcotics vs prescribed medicines) overlap.

    The outcome does not matter.
    If Hiden complies it will show up two things:-
    1. He is on all sorts of meds with multiple side effects; and
    2. Trump is calling the shots.
    If Hiden refuses it opens up the questions of “what is Hiden hidin’?”
    And they can’t go the privacy route.
    Remember when they insisted on grilling the Chief Surgeon over Trump’s physical?

  25. Mother Lode

    Does this guy tell any truth?

    Are you saying Corn Pop didn’t exist?

    The bit about loving children jumping on his lap would be consistent with his pawing them and sniffing their hair, so he could be telling the truth there.

    Jury is still out on what his leg hairs do.

  26. cohenite

    feelthebern
    #3599942, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:06 am
    One of the biggest crooks in the BHO administration was Lois Lerner.
    She weaponised the IRS to go after conservative or libertarian not for profits.
    One of the sweetest videos is seeing her run from scrutiny.

    Lois is a bad person but that is the worst she will have to contend with because in other news Durham won’t be out before the election and if Trump loses that’s that:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/maria-bartiromo-reports-durham-investigation-expanding-but-likely-wont-release-conclusions-before-2020-election

  27. cohenite

    Dettol Donny spent $70000 on hair care.
    He was ripped off.

    You’re not funny, you’re just a pathetic creep.

  28. JC

    Here’s the thing with Trump. With the exception possibly (I’m just guessing) of the Florida golf course the rest could be (likely) running an operating loss. This wouldn’t shock me in the least. The value in those gold course would be the unrealized gains on the land. Unrealized gains aren’t taxable. These operational expenses could be large enough to offset income elsewhere.

  29. Steve trickler

    Unbeknownst to me, a lot of musical hours have been uploaded. I’ll have a squiz. In the mean time….



  30. mh

    Dettol Donny spent $70000 on hair care.
    He was ripped off.

    He won the Presidency.

    Winning hair.

  31. JC

    But no talk of Treason? Putin? Trump being a Russian spy?

    We were promised so much.

    Don’t be so hasty.
    Give it to October and Schiff will come out with some crazed Wussian accusation. Bank on that one.

  32. Mother Lode

    Exactly, LL.

    I doubt Biden is on meth or heroin, but if it comes out he is on medication for a deteriorating mental condition then…

    And the meds clearly are not enough anyway because he is a confused shambling wreck who sets his alarm top wake him up in the morning so he can have a little lie down.

  33. Stormy wasn’t fucked by Trump, except in court. The whore was shaking down clients in one of Trump’s casinos and he made a business decision to pay off the whore.

    Aaaahaha. Look at you cohenite, what he has reduced you to. Utterly pathetic.

  34. Some thoughts on the contract for Unified Security. Please correct me if I have got something wrong.

    Contract was $30m over 3 months for a company that had about $3.5m turnover previously in VIC and less than 100 staff.

    I believe it was them that was expected to provide 40 for the first day but this was upped to 200 by time shift started. Soon they were employing nearly 1800.

    I did see months ago a comment about a security provided supposed to have 30 on duty but only sent 20. Implication was they pocketed the rest.

    So how the heck did Unified calculate their potential profits if could go from 100 to 1800 in a very short time. There is no way initial contract could have forseen that ? Was there a further supplementary add on contract which revised amounts. I note contract specified duties but not how many should be provided.

    Somebody mentioned something about other companies having an attitude problem. Probably concerned about the job requirements whereas Unified said yes no problem when they did not have the numbers.

    Plus Unified boss not called to give evidence !

    Seems Credlin has found evidence of Andrews thanking PM for offer of ADF support on 28 March and mentioning police and ADF. However in inquiry says not aware of any offer. Caught in a lie. Played on Hadley this morning.

  35. Makka

    because in other news Durham won’t be out before the election

    DOJ, FBI and CIA are chock full of Comey, Brennan and Clapper psychofans. Durham only has to produce one big name indictment to do serious damage to the Dems yet can’t fkg manage it. What a sewer.

  36. cohenite

    Trump is a great businessman, a true capitalist who works with capitalism. The left rich exploit capitalism and sell it out. Every one of the bastards from mini mike, the chunk pet, to the IT billionaires who also make their dosh from the chunks sell out the US.

  37. The value in those gold course would be the unrealized gains on the land. Unrealized gains aren’t taxable.

    Like I said, the Bunnings model. But he has failed at that multiple times already, leading to a string of bankruptcies. It’s not a foolproof scheme.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    So how, exactly, did NYT get Trump’s tax records?
    NYT wouldn’t do anything illegal would they?
    Do they have Joe Biden’s tax records by any chance?
    They’d be quite interesting I should think.
    Almost as interesting as Bill and Hillary’s.

  39. JC

    ……because in other news Durham won’t be out before the election and if Trump loses that’s that:

    That’s not right. The election is in November and if Trump loses, he’s out of the White House in January. So there’s time for the report to come out even after and he loses. The demons can then pretend it doesn’t exist, but it could be out in the public domain.

  40. John Comnenus

    The whole Sicktoria enquiry looks like a fraud. No one is asking the simplest question and working from a known point upwards as I suggested on Saturday am. A few other people led by Smith where I first made the observation re delegations, have followed that thread.

    All spending of public monies is vested in the Minister, but the Minister delegates some of that authority to defined individuals within their Department and within prescribed limits in a formal order or appointment. Typically there are emergency or operationally necessary procurement processes where the normal process is relaxed, but that is usually accompanied by increased reporting requirement.

    I am sure Des Deskperson could provide a better description of the process, rules and reporting requirements.

    What we know is that the Department DG (the most senior public servant in the department equivalent to a Secretary at the Fed level) signed the contract. Was it within his delegation or not? Was the signatory required to use the Minister’s delegation or not? Does a contract of that size , conducted presumably as an urgent Procurement and outside the normal process, require either Ministerial approval or is the DG required to notify the Minister? The Counsel Assisting would be able to research and know what the answer to each of these questions should be. Counsel should be able to catch out any inconsistencies in the way the contracts were let. That would be the start of finding what threads to follow.

    What counsel probably doesn’t know but would be very useful to find out is : How was the selection process conducted? When and how were the successful contractors first engaged? Who was involved in the selection process (it would be extraordinary if it was just the DG)? What paperwork records of recommendations are there? All people involved in the selection will have some kind of paperwork.

    The Unified Contract looks as sketchy as all get out. Why wasn’t Unified asked any questions? Why weren’t they asked how did they first find out about the opportunity? When did they find out about the opportunity? Who told them about the opportunity? Who sent them the RFQ or equivalent?

    Then one would go back to whoever sent the RFQ to find out who directed them to send the RFQ to an out of State supplier way smaller than what would normally be contracted? Typically a large contract requires the contractor to demonstrate their ability to manage the contract through a bond or guarantee. In this case a company turning over $3.5 mil could not afford to meet payroll for a payroll of double total annual turnover. How did Unified do that? Typically you get paid on 30 day terms and would invoice at the end of the month. That means Unified had to carry payroll costs for two months or four payrolls. If we assume a $4mil payroll Unified would need a financial instrument (usually from a bank) to carry about $8 mil – $10mil in pure pay costs not including recruitment costs, higher insurance costs, etc. Who provided that guarantee? Why did they provide it?

    It would also be very useful to know exactly how much payroll cost Unified actually paid per month? This was effectively a labour hire contract? What happened to the rest of the money? You need a licence to do labour hire in Vic. Was Unified licensed to deliver these services in Victoria?

    There should be a paper trail a mile long here – even for an urgent procurement, which this undoubtedly was.

    A cynic would say that the Inquiry is a sham as most Cats would do a better job.

    I have conducted some investigations in my time, and you always start at a known point and start by asking questions you know the answer to (or at least what they should be). Starting at the top seems to be a way to be able to demonstrate confusion and chaos which will then probably lead to finding that this was systemic failure, not attributable to any individual. And those findings will in turn be used to protect senior public servants and ministers from any other legal action.

    The Vic inquiry looks like it will come to a finding Humphrey Appleby explained how to ensure by appointing a “sound” head of the inquiry.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    How much tax has the Crimton Foundation paid?

  42. JC

    DOJ, FBI and CIA are chock full of Comey, Brennan and Clapper psychofans. Durham only has to produce one big name indictment to do serious damage to the Dems yet can’t fkg manage it. What a sewer.

    Brennan is my main course. If he’s donesky, life is complete. I want that piece of shit to be wearing an orange jumpsuit. Orange to remind him of the Orange Oaf every day he’s in prison.

  43. Gab

    Let me get in here first:

    LL did not hang himself #clintoncrimeclan

  44. Leigh Lowe

    Uurrghhh … aarrghh … gurgle … gurgle.

  45. Tim Neilson

    m0nty
    #3599969, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Did you check out tailgunner’s link, or did you obey his instruction not to?

  46. jo

    Mother Lode
    #3599930, posted on September 28, 2020 at 9:58 am

    Are we taking the piss?? Roger Moore died in 2017.

    On the off chance…yes, woolfe. It is an ongoing joke.

    We know he died in 2017. At the Alamo. Alongside Barry Crocket. And John Wayne.

    You forgot Montgomery Doughnut Rake FC. The Roaring Meg was really good. Far better than anything produced in Australia. Realistically Pinot is the only wine that NZ produces that’s any good. I don’t know why they persist with the crap.

  47. Mother Lode

    Brennan is my main course. If he’s donesky, life is complete. I want that piece of shit to be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

    If Nadler ever goes away he will be requesting the brown jumpsuit.

  48. Tim Neilson

    m0nty
    #3599969, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:23 am

    tailgunner’s link makes perfect sense. Businesses based on major construction projects are often in tax losses for well over a decade at a time.

  49. JC

    Like I said, the Bunnings model. But he has failed at that multiple times already, leading to a string of bankruptcies. It’s not a foolproof scheme.

    STFU with the Bunnings model, you fat idiot. Bunnings rents its stores.

    The model is based on how every single billionaire in the world has made money. Through asset up-valuation, whether it’s stock, real estate or valued in some other way like private companies. The secret to making oodles of money is not income.

    On a generous multiple, every dollar of income earned can have a multiple impact of 15 to 20 times.

  50. JC

    Gab
    #3599981, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Let me get in here first:

    LL did not hang himself #clintoncrimeclan

    And Brennan had Seth Rich done over.

  51. JC

    So to summarize, the NYTimes attempt of a hit piece is fake news and will be over by sunset.

    Next.

  52. cohenite

    Aaaahaha. Look at you cohenite, what he has reduced you to. Utterly pathetic.

    Trump could have rooted anyone. The idea he would stoop to stormy is in itself just left projection because lefties would root anything. The Hush Agreement is clearly a business arrangement between a blackmailer who worked in Trump’s casino. Anyway it’s all bullshit and you’re just jealous you ugly little turd because being a lefty stormy would be the woman of your dreams.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle #3599974, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:27 am
    So how, exactly, did NYT get Trump’s tax records?
    NYT wouldn’t do anything illegal would they?
    Do they have Joe Biden’s tax records by any chance?
    They’d be quite interesting I should think.
    Almost as interesting as Bill and Hillary’s.

    NYT, when questioned, refuses to say how or where they obtained Trump’s tax info – all they’ll say is it is fair dinkum the good oil & we should trust ’em and not enquire about their source.

    So that’s that then.

  54. Gab

    LOL Andrews today almost called the ”wicked enemy” (i.e. his virus) ”silent but deadly”.

  55. John Comnenus

    Following up from BrettW, if we assume each Unified employee was paid $100k p.a. pro rata on average (this is probably very generous) then monthly pay per person was approx $8,333 per month which is about $250k per month for 30 pers. let’s assume that was 30 pers in 3 shifts which equals 90 personnel. So that is $750k per month on your largest expense in a labour hire contract. Let’s assume they had to add 50% of payroll for other on costs so we are now at $1.25mil. Let’s add 20% for overhead to get to $1.35 mil. Let’s add another 50% for G&A that gets us to $1.688 mil. Now let’s be generous and apply a 50% profit and you get to $2.025 mil in a $10 mil contract. Where did the other $8 mil per month go. That’s $8 mil for three months = $24 mil. Where did that go? Why is the inquiry uninterested in these questions?

  56. mh

    Trump has eased to $2.10 with Sportsbet.

    These fake stories always give us some value.

  57. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘We know he died in 2017.’

    Stop that you awful, awful people. Roger Moore was on the picture wireless just last week.

    If something terrible had happened we would know. I had my heart in my mouth there for a while.

  58. Mother Lode

    You forgot Montgomery Doughnut Rake FC.

    I hear he was also awarded the Dinner Service Cross with Dessert Bar.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of tax records:

    ‘Dettol Donny spent $70000 on hair care.
    He was ripped off.’

    Not as ripped off as the bloke who paid $15,000,000 in tax. And counting.

  60. notafan

    More staff than that I think. Apparently employed 1700 in total. Not just one hotel either. Hotels for hospital workers and others in quarantine.

  61. Mother Lode

    So that’s that then.

    Gawd! I can just hear my BiL whooping in triumph.

    Just like he has every time before.

    He has that same pathological optimism that Monty has.

  62. notafan

    Apparently claiming legal carry forward losses is bad, very bad.

    Unless you’re an ABC employee with a hobby farm.

  63. sfw

    John Comnenus

    Terms of reference and Andrews appointed judge

  64. Cassie of Sydney

    “If he’s donesky, life is complete. I want that piece of shit to be wearing an orange jumpsuit. “

    I’d prefer the chair for Brennan.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    Hotels for hospital workers and others in quarantine.

    Hotels for hospital workers?
    Excuse me?
    “Hotels for Heroes” was the correct name of the scheme.
    Soon to be employed as Deputy Nurse Karens to arrest citizens for thought crime.

  66. notafan

    Monty, Barron is very very tall for a four year old.

    Having a Biden moment?

  67. jo

    Mother Lode
    #3600006, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:47 am

    You forgot Montgomery Doughnut Rake FC.

    I hear he was also awarded the Dinner Service Cross with Dessert Bar.

    I thought JC only bought him steak?

  68. JC

    Leigh

    You don’t appear to be yourself these days. Did something happen recently to change your blog persona?

  69. notafan

    Yes LL and the government spent another three million on nurses for Hotel Quarantine.

    More money well spent.

    And a good point to shove in the faces of #Istandwithdanners who insist it’s the lack of registered nurses in private aged care that caused those outbreaks.

  70. John Comnenus

    sfw,

    not only did Andrews write the terms of reference it also looks like he appointed what Sir Humphrey Appleby would call a “Sound” inquiry team. A sound person doesn’t need to be told what to find, but they will conduct an inquiry to make the appropriate findings. So far, by focussing on the more senior people, the inquiry will reasonably find that there was confusion, chaos and miscommunication due to the unprecedented COVID situation. Hence the inquiry will not be able to definitively hold any individual responsible.

    The only hope is that someone looks into who trousered around $24 mil from the Unified contract?

  71. notafan

    Yes JC US had no imputation system so anyone with a public company avoids making a profit like crazy. All about capital accumulations. No different to google or Amazon or Tesla it twitter or a thousand other us companies.

  72. Top Ender

    Custer survived Greasy Grass, and later went on to command the US Army’s tank forces in WWI.

    They were deployed to France in 1915 and did great damage to the Krauts. Custer’s personal gun loader was the later famous General Patton, known for his peculiar habits of slapping female movie stars, and carrying two Browning machineguns with him wherever he went. They had inlaid mother-of-pearl panels on them.

  73. mh

    We’ll be discussing the Beaver Wars next.

  74. feelthebern

    You have to hand it to Solly Lew.
    You get one chance in a generation to re-base your rent.
    He’s gunna do it.

  75. sfw

    John Comnenus

    Wish I could land a contract like that, it’s disgraceful but I’d still like one.
    I can’t beleive that anyone could believe that this enquiry has been conducted in a thorough manner. Royal Commission time, the commonwealth gov could call one but I doubt that Scotty and his crew will. They don’t want to expose Vic Labor as corrupt and useless. Not in their interest it seems.

  76. Steve trickler

    [ Middle finger to Joe Rogan ]



  77. John Comnenus

    sfw,

    I agree – yes I want one of those contracts, yes the inquiry is looking like a sham and yes the Commonwealth Government should step in.

    As I understand it, the Commonwealth has constitutional responsibility for quarantine. So they have a stake and I would imagine they outsource some quarantine functions to the States. But they are outsources, so I would imagine that they have an interest and standing to investigate.

    But you are right, they probably won’t.

  78. woolfe

    Ok ok i get it, leave me alone.

  79. mh

    Tim Neilson
    #3599987, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:35 am
    m0nty
    #3599969, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:23 am

    tailgunner’s link makes perfect sense. Businesses based on major construction projects are often in tax losses for well over a decade at a time.

    Monty, building towers in Manhattan is nothing like fantasy football.

  80. Mother Lode

    Ok ok i get it, leave me alone.

    The mangled history is another ongoing joke.

    Just as its inspiration is.

  81. Behind Enemy Lines

    John Comnenus
    #3599978, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:29 am
    The whole Sicktoria enquiry looks like a fraud. No one is asking the simplest question and working from a known point upwards as I suggested on Saturday am.

    I missed your comment but made the same point yesterday. The way these public funds were spent is downright extraordinary and, to my eye, looks like fraud (in the broad sense used by CoA investigators). I would get the file, talk to the most junior desk officer (ie whoever handled the transfer of funds to the contractor), ask who issued the direction, and keep working up and up and up and up until I either had the truth or else found someone willing to go to prison ($30m fraud) to cover it up. This isn’t clever; it’s obvious.

    Anyway, you’ve answered your own question, Comnenus. The whole shamn debang is a joke, a cover-up, an obvious rort, and was set up as such from the very beginning.

  82. dover_beach

    But no talk of Treason? Putin? Trump being a Russian spy?

    We were promised so much.

    Indeed, what a pathetic sight monty is today. We just learned on the weekend that one of the principal sources for the fake dossier was himself under investigation as a Russian spy and that this was not disclosed to the FISA court. The web of deceit the Left has spun to convince itself of Trump’s mendacity only reveals its own mendacity.

  83. woolfe

    Hey, i am aware that General Custer was killed at Waterloo tweeting “i see no ships” before he was swallowed by a whale.

  84. Tim Neilson

    Hey, i am aware that General Custer was killed at Waterloo tweeting “i see no ships” before he was swallowed by a whale.

    But the real heroes were transgender persons of colour who have been shamefully omitted from the history books.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3600021, posted on September 28, 2020 at 11:01 am

    Leigh

    You don’t appear to be yourself these days. Did something happen recently to change your blog persona?

    Why ever do you ask, JC?
    I yam what I yam, as Popeye would say.
    No change here.

  86. Stormy did say she made a lot of her claims up after Avenatti was hoist by his own petard.

  87. Channel 4 (UK) reports on Sweden:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLjSMuROgk

    I’d also like to see comparable reports from the ~six US states that took a similar approach.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused that Seven and Nine relegated the BOMBSHELL news about Trump ‘way down in their 11:30 am reports, after sundry car crashes and stuff. Even they realize how uninteresting it all is to anyone.

    Would be nice if the IRS announces an investigation into how the NYT got this confidential information. That could be very interesting, especially if it leads, for example, to certain public officials in NY.

  89. Arky

    after Avenatti was hoist by his own petard.

    ..
    It’s pronounced “penis”.

  90. min

    John Comnenus, I agree and sent off emails to Libs re the Unified contract that was posted on MichaelSmithNews . Also web site of that company to employees telling them to do a 10 minute instruction video on infection control .Time was 12.30pn 27th March before Andrews did presser at 2.30 .
    I also know what minister leaked documents to reporter at night exposing problems in hotel quarantine from day1 Article appeared in Age on 13 th July . As I queried how could an old lady in lockdown since March only been to local park get all this information when QCS on $10,000 per diem when they can not.
    Infection control not mentioned in job description on contract.

  91. Colonel Crispin Berka

    As I flagged 7 hours ago, Project Veritas has released their latest whistleblower operation about 1 hour ago.
    It shows ballot harvesting taking place as an all-day activity, one of the harvesters being connected by an informant to Ilhan Omar’s campaign manager. Somalis paid for signing ballots the right way, and intimidated into silence by the ringleaders.
    Mainly this is shaking down the elderly to get their unsent absentee ballots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY

    Amazing stuff. Wait for this to be described as “not significant”.

  92. mh

    RT

    The FBI has arrested an Atlanta activist on fraud charges, after he set up a ‘Black LIves Matter’ group to enrich himself to the tune of $200,000. As donations poured in, the suspect bought himself tailored suits and a new house.
    Sir Maejor Page was arrested on Friday and charged with fraud and money laundering, with the FBI accusing him of misappropriating $200,000 in donations to his organization: ‘Black Lives Matter of Greater Atlanta.’

    The organization was founded by Page – a well-known local activist – in 2016, but took in more than $466,000 in donations this June, July, and August, after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota, set off a nationwide protest movement.

    Page claimed that donations to his organization would be used “for George Floyd,” but he allegedly spent nearly half of them on food, entertainment, furniture, tailored suits, according to an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint against him…

    The finances of the real movement have also been called into question. Between 2017 and 2019, the Black Lives Matter Global Network spent only six percent of its donations on its local chapters and community organizations. A whopping 83 percent, meanwhile, was spent on salaries, bonuses, travel, and consulting.

  93. Digger

    m0nty
    #3599937, posted on September 28, 2020 at 10:03 am
    Trump income tax payment in 2016: $750.

    Trump payment to porn star for staying quiet about him cheating on his third wife who was caring for his newborn son in 2016: $130,000.

    Anyone who doesn’t minimise their tax is a fool… Tell us that you don’t minimise yours…

  94. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Embed, damnit.

    Ilhan Omar connected Ballot Harvester in cash-for-ballots scheme: “Car is full” of absentee ballots

  95. Mother Lode

    The web of deceit the Left has spun to convince itself of Trump’s mendacity only reveals its own mendacity.

    It indicates to me just how confident they were that their behaviour would never come out. They could rely upon allies in government to obstruct and misdirect, and a compliant media that would literally cover the story – with lies.

    After Hillary’s ‘shock’ loss they still had not worked out what had gone wrong.

    The Democrat machine was a sleek nd seamless operation. It had perfectly molded itself to that operation. Over years they had learned how to take down all the familiar threats with ease. They were complete masters of their environment.

    Trump just came along and acted differently and in this new contest they were clumsy, blind, and unable to adapt.

  96. Arky

    List your favourite Trumpism.
    “…like you’ve never seen before…. no, really, it’s the best anyone has ever seen. Ever”.

  97. The Beer Whisperer

    Trump income tax payment in 2016: $750.

    Trump payment to porn star for staying quiet about him cheating on his third wife who was caring for his newborn son in 2016: $130,000.

    At least he didn’t rape her or go around sniffing kid’s hair like Hiden.

    We know they don’t give a shit, but the real money issue of $20 trillion debt and a $120 trillion hole in unfunded liabilities, which the Democrats would make look like loose change with their Green New Deal.

  98. Mitch M.

    Human recombinant soluble ACE2 successfully used in a patient with severe COVID-19

    Good trick, copying evolution by using a decoy receptor so the virus doesn’t infect cells.

    The diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection was made from a nasopharyngeal swab by using RT-PCR, which resulted in the treatment with hydroxychloroquine and anticoagulation with nadroparin. Nonetheless, the patient’s clinical condition did not improve; on the contrary, she was exhausted and needed more oxygen on the nasal cannula.

    Nine days after the symptom onset, treatment with hrsACE2 intravenous infusion for five minutes twice per day was introduced. This compassionate use treatment was started after consultations among attending physicians, the patient’s family, as well as external infectious disease experts.

    And the results were astonishing; after the first injection of hrsACE2, a marked reduction of angiotensin II was observed. This was followed by the reduction of inflammatory cytokine levels that are critical for COVID-19 pathology, as well as ferritin and C-reactive protein levels.

  99. The Beer Whisperer

    Anyone who doesn’t minimise their tax is a fool… Tell us that you don’t minimise yours…

    The only thing Muttley minimises is his integrity.

  100. cohenite

    Steve trickler
    #3600035, posted on September 28, 2020 at 11:24 am
    [ Middle finger to Joe Rogan ]

    FMD, that bitch and interviewer. Peterson deserves a medal for putting himself through this bullshit. Anyone who says men and women are equal deserves a smack in the chops.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3600056, posted on September 28, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Just kidding around, Leigh.

    Actually, JC, I have been doing a bit of research into Doomsday predictions coupled with conspiracy theories over recent decades.
    Fascinating stuff.
    In a “same shit, different day” kind of way.

  102. Mother Lode

    But the real heroes were transgender persons of colour who have been shamefully omitted from the history books.

    Or ‘modified’.

    General Sherman was originally transgender. Zir real name was Glossy Sparkles, but the troops called zir General She-man, but the historians changed the hyphen to an ‘r’. There were too many monuments to write zir out. But they could write out the absolutely super cabarets ze did to thrill the troops. And the imaginative use of colours on the flags. And the playfully racy watchwords.

    The final insult was to name tanks after zir, with their gargantuan priapic guns but painted deliberately drab colours.

    Damned patriarchy!

  103. Des Deskperson

    ‘I am sure Des Deskperson could provide a better description of the process, rules and reporting requirements.’

    No it’s an excellent summary of the issues and the points that need further investigation.

    The only bit I would add is that, in the Commonwealth, an agency head usually has a financial delegation to the limit of his/her agency’s funds. Its my understanding that similar delegation arrangements generally apply in other Australian jurisdictions.

    It’s reasonable to assume, therefore, that the contact was within the Director-General’s delegation and he was able legitimately to sign the contract. However, given, as you say, given the urgency and amount involved, it would have been prudent, to say the least, to seek ministerial agreement.

    It also assumes that the $30,200,000 was available from within the department’s current budget allocation. in 2019-20 of around 2 billion. Otherwise it would presumable have to have been be sought from Treasury and Finance and this would certainly have had to involve ministers. There may, of course, have been general emergency grants to all Victorian agencies to cope with COVID.
    .

  104. John Comnenus

    They sacked Jenny Mikakos, so it’s a fair bet she didn’t trouser the $24 mil from the Unified contract. A combat indicator of who got the money will be how hard they go in to bat to save that person from resignation.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    List your favourite Trumpism.

    Twelve more years!
    Twelve more years!!

  106. Digger

    Not as ripped off as the bloke who paid $15,000,000 in tax. And counting.

    +100

  107. cohenite

    Leigh Lowe
    #3600078, posted on September 28, 2020 at 12:13 pm
    JC

    #3600056, posted on September 28, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Just kidding around, Leigh.

    Well, aren’t you the lucky one; head prefect never solicits my welfare. Fickle bastard.

  108. John Comnenus

    Thanks Des. Interesting that it was a firm fixed price as well. Therefore less need to justify invoices or meeting any KPI.

    Why would you go FFP when time and materials would provide a lot more flexibility to increase or decrease the number of people required as circumstances dictate.

    Good catch on the need to go to a central agency if more funds are needed, which I assume they were. But once again the inquiry doesn’t seem interested in following the money to get to the truth.

  109. Warwick

    I have priced some security contracts. The way it is done- generally – is to look at the relevant award. My understanding is these guards were Level 1 – which is the lowest paid. If the work is 24/7 you calculate the average cost per hour of having 1 guard across the 14 shifts. All shifts are 12 hours. Normally 6am to 6pm and 6pm to 6am, It would be $30 bucks an hour. Any firm would have this on an excel spreadsheet ready at hand. You double that for your margin, or more, and say for every guard on site at your request we will charge you $60 plus GTC. The security firms then are very careful to much sure no one works overtime etc – as that increases the hourly rate it costs and eats into margin. The easier way – and the way it works for 90% of security contracts is this. You pay all staff $20 bucks cash – thru a subcontractor. The sub contractor charges you $25.00 an hour. You charge out the guards to the client at the $60+ rate. It is very profitable – and entirely illegal. However, government contracts, large corporations, foreign embassies, universities – all would have cash in hand guards unknowingly. The whole industry is putrid. The guards like the cash only because 1. A lot are on student visas. Only allowed to work 20 hours a week doing a dodgy English course – this way they can work as much as they want. 2. They are on welfare and rorting that. The firms say they have to “pay off the books” because they cannot afford to pay proper rates. This is generally complete nonsense. The rates customers pay would more than cover it all normally.It would be very easy to completely change the industry but it seems there is no desire to by the relevant regulators. I can only think it is because of multicultural sensitivities.

  110. dover_beach

    We also learned on the weekend that the attempt to imprison Flynn was a ‘Get Trump’ campaign. They were only too happy to put Flynn through the ringer if it would harm Trump. Leftists are orcs.

  111. Eyrie

    Well, aren’t you the lucky one; head prefect never solicits my welfare. Fickle bastard.

    Doomlord told him to pull his head in regarding Peter/MemoryFault. It was about time.

  112. cohenite

    Here we go:

    The Trump Factor
    After years of ongoing deep state penetration of the USA since JFK’s murder, a surprising nationalist dark horse president found himself in the Oval Office in the form of Donald Trump and just two months away from the 2020 elections, the threat of a new Military Coup organized by international financiers is as high as ever.

    In his Labor Day press conference, Trump, who has distinguished himself as the first president since Eisenhower to call out the “military industrial complex” threw down the gauntlet saying:

    “Biden … sent our youth off to fight in these crazy endless wars. It’s one of the reasons the military— I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy. But we’re getting out of the endless wars…. And I said, ‘That’s good. Let’s bring our soldiers back home. Some people don’t like to come home. Some people like to continue to spend money.’ One cold-hearted globalist betrayal after another, and that’s what it was.”

    This statement should be taken both as a rallying call for patriots to use what is possibly their last chance to save the collapsing republic and avoiding world war three.

    On September 5, Colonel Richard Black (Former State Senator and Judge Advocate) delivered a presentation at a Schiller Institute seminar where the colonel warned of the interconnected pattern of statements by former high ranking military officials either openly calling for a military coup (Lt. Colonels Paul Yingling and John Nagl on August 11) or celebrating the anarchist mobs threatening to tear the republic apart. To the latter group, Col. Black named former Defense Secretary James Mattis, Colin Powell, and Col. John Allen who have all questioned the authority of the President and touted their belief that Trump would not leave the White House willingly in January 2021. The actual source for those concerns didn’t come from any actual evidence obtained from reality however, but in fact arose out of “November chaos scenario war games” advanced by Soros/Clinton/Neocon-affiliated think tanks like the Transition Integrity Project which ran Event 201-like “fictional” scenario “war games”.

    In one of the June TIP scenarios, Trump wins the popular November vote by a landslide, but due to the slow influx of mail-in ballots, it is soon revealed that Biden is the winner, whereby Trump supposedly locks the doors of the White House refusing to leave. In the TIP “game”, Biden was played by none other than John Podesta. These scenarios were again replayed more recently by a DNC-connected outfit named Hawkfish funded by Michael Bloomberg which was covered on Axios running a more detailed version of this computer model called “Red Mirage”…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-military-coup-undo-november-elections-donald-trump-republic-itself?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Doomlord told him to pull his head in regarding Peter/MemoryFault. It was about time.

    Who?
    More to come on that.
    News at 11:00.

  114. Rex Anger

    Custer survived Greasy Grass, and later went on to command the US Army’s tank forces in WWI.

    They were deployed to France in 1915 and did great damage to the Krauts. Custer’s personal gun loader was the later famous General Patton, known for his peculiar habits of slapping female movie stars, and carrying two Browning machineguns with him wherever he went. They had inlaid mother-of-pearl panels on them.

    Bullshit, those are are all postwar Communist lies. Patton carried silver-plated, mother of pearl miniguns. You’re getting mixed up with Dougie Macarthur, who used to carry a pair of .30cals in his pipe, but never used them in anger. This contributed to the low esteem in which he was actually held by his troops.

    Patton’s driver was an Alligator, who later arranged Patton’s ‘accidental’ death when he threatened to expose the Truman government’s Reptilian paymasters. It is not confirmed whether any Cli tons were involved.

    This cleared the way for Ike Eisenhower, the Iluminati candidate, to take control of the USA and lead its Handmaidens into a Catholic Golden Age…

  115. John Comnenus

    Warwick,

    I work in a different industry and I couldn’t get the contract, even if it were for 3 shifts of 30 to come up to much more than $ mil per month being very generous with wages, on costs, overhead, G&A and profit.

    If I do it your way as a simple maths method, let’s assume 31 days a month and 12 hours per day = 372 hours per person per month. Then multiply that by $75 per person per hour = $27,900 per month per shift position. Multiply by 75 (2 shifts of 30 plus some extra so ppl can have a break) = $2, 092,500 per month. Once again, where has the remaining $24 mil gone?

    It had to go somewhere. Someone trousered $24 mil for a contract that ended up killing 700 odd people. Who got the money.

  116. Cassie of Sydney

    “Doomlord told him to pull his head in regarding Peter/MemoryFault. It was about time.”

    I am pretty sure LL didn’t start the fire.

  117. John Comnenus

    I thought Custer was killed by JFK on the grassy knoll!

  118. cohenite

    The whole industry is putrid. The guards like the cash only because 1. A lot are on student visas. Only allowed to work 20 hours a week doing a dodgy English course – this way they can work as much as they want. 2. They are on welfare and rorting that. The firms say they have to “pay off the books” because they cannot afford to pay proper rates. This is generally complete nonsense. The rates customers pay would more than cover it all normally.It would be very easy to completely change the industry but it seems there is no desire to by the relevant regulators. I can only think it is because of multicultural sensitivities.

    The RoP has taken over the Australian security industry which allows RoP to have access to 1f gun licences.

    Here are the Western Australia licensed agents listing in which this extract is a sample un-edited in order at the beginning of “A”
    Full Name License Number
    AALAMI; Hamid Reza SG47823
    AAMIR; Muhammad SG34949
    AAMIR; Sohaib SG43372
    AB YAR; Ahmad SG46462
    ABANDELWA; Ehota SG40133
    ABANDELWA; Lusambya SG27892
    ABAY; Tekle Asfaha SG42472
    ABAZ; Alisa SG46910
    ABAZ; Mohamed SG45567
    ABBAS; Ali SG49418
    ABBAS; Anjum Hussain SG44566
    ABBAS; Baseer SG34885
    ABBAS; Faisal SG38797
    ABBAS; Farukh SG31065
    ABBAS; Ghulam SG46155
    ABBAS; Imran SG40420
    ABBAS; Irfan SG39830
    ABBAS; Jalees SG42148
    ABBAS; Mohsin SG40778
    ABBAS; Mohsin SG33606
    ABBAS; Muhammad Mazhar SG48780
    ABBAS; Muhammad Sammar SG43962
    ABBAS; Syed Farrukh SG39914
    ABBAS; Waseem SG45743
    ABBAS; Zaheer SG29404
    ABBASI; Atif Mehmood SG36714
    ABBASI; Furqan Ali SG50464
    ABBASI; Ghulam Abbas SG50138
    ABBASI; Jamie SG41567
    ABBASI; Naveed Ahmed SG31614

  119. incoherent rambler

    General Custer was killed at Waterloo tweeting “i see no ships”

    Fact Check: false

    That was the Battle of the Coral Sea.

  120. Wow, I see Brad Parscale barricaded himself in his home alone with guns and threatened to top himself, so his wife called 911 and got him sectioned.

    Trump hires the best people.

  121. incoherent rambler

    Who got the money.

    Doesn’t matter. Rest assured that the money has been invested in Aldi bags and union fees.

  122. Farmer Gez

    m0nty
    #3600107, posted on September 28, 2020 at 12:48 pm
    Wow, I see Brad Parscale barricaded himself in his home alone with guns and threatened to top himself, so his wife called 911 and got him sectioned.

    Trump hires the best people.

    Just had a workman who had a full on psychotic episode out of the blue.
    Mental heath a matter for point scoring Monty?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3600101, posted on September 28, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    “Doomlord told him to pull his head in regarding Peter/MemoryFault. It was about time.”

    I am pretty sure LL didn’t start the fire.

    Correct.
    Faulty blew himself up by posting that vile rubbish which Sinc took down (and which, by the way, I took a screenshot of in case any revisionism took place).
    He then went into auto-moderation and was either banned or flounced.
    A few of us replayed some of Faulty’s Greatest Hits as a tribute (mostly his own words). Sinc then posted that he had reviewed Faulty’s work over recent weeks and months and concluded that there was some sort of decline occurring.
    He asked us to let it go.
    Which we did.
    But if anyone wants to mount a defence of Faulty’s batshit crazy, dangerous and inflammatory stuff, go for it.
    I’m ready.
    Furthermore, if anyone wants to imply that people here toppled his gyros, it may well be shown that those gyros were wobbling for at least thirty years … long before Catallaxy was thought of.

  124. Top Ender

    25 blunders!

    Key questions about Victoria’s problem-plagued hotel quarantine system, including who decided to use private security to guard the hotels instead of the ADF or police, remain unanswered. But the inquiry has heard damning evidence of bungles and blunders. Among them:

    1 – SECURITY guards were recruited, sight unseen, via WhatsApp

    2 – SOME staff were given a diversity briefing but no training on infection control

    3 – ABOUT 30 per cent of travellers refused to be tested

    4 – SOME COVID-infected guests were allowed to leave after 14 days, including one who infected the person who drove them from the hotel

    5 – POLICE were called after a security guard got into a physical altercation with a food delivery driver

    6 – GUESTS wandered in and out of the hotels, with police raising concerns that some were returning with coffee cups

    7 – IT TOOK four days to isolate all staff after the first Rydges Hotel staff member tested positive

    8 – IT TOOK 48 hours to clean Rydges to a satisfactory standard after that outbreak

    9 – UNIFIED Security – given the bulk of the security work – had just 89 permanent employees but employed 1759 people, almost all through subcontracting

    10 – INDIGENOUS-owned Unified weren’t a preferred tenderer but were viewed favourably because they had been “doing a lot of inclusion work”

    11 – BUREAUCRATS contracting the security companies warned it was a “cowboy industry” with “heaps of cash work” – but hire them anyway

    12 – A SECURITY guard slipped a note under a guest’s door that read “Hey hun, add me on Snapchat”, while others leered at nurses and “hit on” female staff

    13 – A COVID-infected security guard delivered food while waiting for his test results because he was “bored” at home

    14 – ABOUT 70 security guards gathered in one room, without social distancing, for their shift changeover

    15 – SECURITY guards smoked in the halls and took hotel towels to use as pillows while napping

    16 – TWO security guards allegedly caught engaging in sexual activity during a hotel quarantine shift tried to keep their relationship quiet but were busted after complaining about breaks to a supervisor.

    17 – SECURITY guards were told they didn’t need to wear masks while delivering food to rooms or taking guests on walks

    18 – GUARDS refused to use hand sanitiser for religious reasons

    19 – HEALTH authorities feared the sight of ADF would be too “daunting” for returned travellers

    20 – STAFF were concerned by a lack of PPE, including one guard who said he was told to ration his mask and gloves

    21 – THE Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning withdrew its staff from the hotels after it raised a string of concerns and no action was taken

    22 – WELFARE checkers were battling a backlog of 800 calls at the time a man in quarantine took his own life

    23 – GUARDS had no authority to chase down runaway guests or search their bags so instead did a cursory “footy bag check” similar to what they do at the MCG

    24 – GUESTS were feed unsuitable food, including those given that triggered allergies and diabetics given high-sugar food

    25 – HOTEL quarantine program was $24.3 million over budget by mid-June

    Herald-Sun

  125. min

    Rachelle summing up at inquiry so listened to a little of it . Dept that signed up Unified stuffed up because they were incompetent , did not check out company, did not inform DHHS to oversee the infection management . She was explaining what companies had been on a board that the department had dealt with , Unified was not but chose because of diversity and employment criteria. Department, Eccles head with Pakula minister, did not know subcontractors were used until one got fired but then put in another person who subcontracted out also . Out for lunch now but transcripts will be available but total incompetence all through the hiring , oversight so what was Andrews doing whilst all this stuff up was happening which by the way was known about.

  126. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #3599898, posted on September 28, 2020 at 9:33 am

    m0nty
    #3599873, posted on September 28, 2020 at 9:15 am
    I see the NYT has Trump’s tax records, which show him to be a massive fraud in hock to the banks and with most of his businesses losing money. But we knew that already.

    Last week: Trump is a tax cheat!

    Now: Stupid Trump isn’t making any money!

    I wish I knew how Pres. Trump does it.
    In debt to the banks up to his neck, businesses losing money and no foreclosure in sight, no fire-sale.
    Still living like a king, even giving his salary away to charity, the man is a genius.

  127. Knuckle Dragger

    Haha.

    Like the bloke who turned up at the train carriage in Versailles, yelling ‘Stop it! The Chermans were okay blokes!’

    In 1923.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    Trump hires the best people.

    Not many qualified and experienced people who aren’t owned by the left, either professionally, financially, culturally or psychologically. Gramsci has been doing his thing for 70 years now. For example who would’ve thought the ex boss of Exxon would be a lefty, for example. But he is. Ditto the senior executives of companies like BHP.

    In confirmation of your comment m0nty I had a real belly laugh when I read this one this morning.

    Donald Trump will try to stay in White House even if he loses 2020 election warns expert (27 Sep)

    I wondered who this “expert” was?

    DONALD TRUMP will try to stay in the White House even if he loses the 2020 Presidential election according to a former White House Director of Communications.

    Anthony Scaramucci told TimesRadio that the fact President Donald Trump is unsure whether he is willing to accept the outcome of the 2020 election is an atrocity.

    LMAO, Mooch is an expert now!

    This is the measure of news coverage these days. It’s complete unadulterated crap, lies and fever dreams of the Left. But yes, hiring the Moocher was a pretty silly thing for Trump to do. Although he did fire him again after about a week.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You’re getting mixed up with Dougie Macarthur, who used to carry a pair of .30cals in his pipe, but never used them in anger. This contributed to the low esteem in which he was actually held by his troops.

    Dougie MacArthur, who’s wife’s second cousin, twice removed won the order of the Red Banner, with bar, for commanding the Viet Minh forces at Dien Bien Phu?

  130. Colonel Crispin Berka

    #3600064, posted on September 28, 2020 at 12:01 pm
    .
    .

    Chopped liver again. Even on a topic Cats are normally rabid about.
    #shadowbannedlife

  131. Top Ender

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    Does anyone watch tripe like this?

    Daily Mail

  132. Warwick

    John Comnenus
    #3600099, posted on September 28, 2020 at 12:36 pm
    Warwick, ……
    John, I totally understand your point. It is complete madness. My point is that Unified would have a lot of cash – more cash then they have ever seen – to “spend”. Aldi plastic bags full.

  133. rickw

    It had to go somewhere. Someone trousered $24 mil for a contract that ended up killing 700 odd people. Who got the money.

    Would be fascinating to find out where it all went….

  134. wivenhoe

    Does anyone watch tripe like this?

    Unfortunately, Yes, Yes they do. All the brain dead lefty loving, clowns of the world.
    The bad bit is they also get to vote.

  135. cohenite

    The rock endorses biden and gets his arse ripped in the comments:

    https://www.facebook.com/DwayneJohnson/videos/363178388061506/

  136. Cassie of Sydney

    “Top Ender
    #3600128, posted on September 28, 2020 at 1:26 pm
    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    Does anyone watch tripe like this?

    Daily Mail”

    What will it be called….the “Markharrians”? Such cretins…they are pathetic, avaricious and sad.

  137. Megan

    Does anyone watch tripe like this?

    Wasn’t the whole rationale for leaving the BRF their o so precious privacy?

    Clearly that privacy has a price. They are utterly vile.

  138. …Someone trousered $24 mil for a contract…

    Hence their tender was the one accepted. 😎

  139. Mother Lode

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    I love the vanity.

    And even better, what lingering hold they might have held on the public’s imagination will dissolve into nothingness after watching the pair of them at their most mundane.

    Watch Meghan talk about her choice of dress for the day. Watch Harry trying to cajole the mutt to eat his dogfood – perhaps a weak joke about it being so good he will eat it himself. See Meghan talk to her agent about the seating arrangements, who she will shake hands with, and where the photographer stands at some charity event.

    Riveting!

  140. Makka

    so what was Andrews doing whilst all this stuff up was happening which by the way was known about.

    I’ve been saying for many weeks now, the whole idea for the sub-contracting of the hotel quarantine was to ensure money changed hands out of the Govt. That is the primary reason why ADF and VikPlod were not engaged. $40 million odd was made to change hands. The Inquiry showed how that all came about. Clusterfk management 101.

    Andrews directive would have been; ensure that somewhere maaaates got a nice cut. The Union dross inhabiting his bureaucracy would have determined how the pie is cut up among maaates. While these vermin were focused on getting the money spent, the core issue of quarantine efficacy was subordinated to near nothing as the Deputy Commander of the Crisis committee (responsible for that very task) was NOT Sutton as determined by the State Crisis Plan. No quality oversight of the quarantine protocols. BOOM- LockDan V2.0.

  141. Quickie. Some are calculating based on low guard numbers. Remember they went to 1780 staff from below 100 very quickly.

    Another point. Would some have been receivingwelfareand paid cash in hand. If anybody looked into payslips, staffing numbers etc would be another scandal. Never mind the low quality of the guards. Did the other two companies have similar issues or was it just Unified. I believe somebody in Jobs Dept commented upon “attitude” of the other two companies which I take to mean they were asking the right questions.

    Did the contract say Unified should provide their own protective gear ? If so so savings to be made there by not providing enough good quality. You can guarantee ADF and cops would have been well trained and have the right gear.

  142. Speedbox

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    I saw a recent article that suggested 65% of Brits think Markle and Harry should loose their Royal Duke/Duchess titles. Following hot on the heels of their thinly disguised US political commentary a few days ago, news of the reality type program is yet another desperate attempt to achieve relevance. Any program will be replete with the standard environmental and social commentary delivered with polished ‘sincerity’.

    Tossers.

  143. Makka

    The Inquiry also clearly highlighted that the Vic Govt operates in very strict silos. Each silo operates its own turf, has it’s own people, rigorously defends it’s jurisdictions, exploits the Treasury with its own strategies and ensures it’s own maaates benefit whenever and wherever possible. In a nustshell, that is the role of the silo operators – the Ministers and Dept heads.

    That is why idiot Andrews looked so lost at the Inquiry – he just hasn’t a clue what really goes on inside those silos. That is by design. And is why he is getting blowback for throwing Olive under the bus. The silo is pissed off that Andrews didn’t have their back and drew adverse public attention to their silo. Which will make future grafting opportunities all the more difficult.

  144. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The data dump that reveals the astonishing breadth of Beijing’s interference operations
    Over the past three years, international public opinion has tracked revelations of the Chinese Communist Party’s growing political interference activities in states all around the world. Now the Zhenhua data sets provide us with a startling degree of insight into how such efforts work in practice. First, you identify your targets and their associates. Next, you scrape data on them, determining whether they are friendly to China’s policies and if they have any secrets worth gaining. Finally, you make an approach to cultivate a relationship. This could be the offer of a business opportunity, a directorship or other honor, an all-expenses paid conference trip in China, or a political donation offered via an intermediary.

  145. rickw

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    My guess is we won’t be seeing much clay target or duck shooting in this?!

    Meghan forced Harry to sell the only thing that was potentially interesting. Harry blazing away with a couple of Purdy’s!

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Strict vegan parents who starved their baby of nutrients so badly the one-year-old developed cerebral palsy avoid jail

    The one-year-old girl was fed a homemade formula of coconut water and powder
    Doctors found widespread bruising, discoloured skin, rashes covering her body
    The now three-year-old girl suffered brain damage as a result of malnutrition

    Daily Mail.

  147. Speedbox

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3600168, posted on September 28, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    At one year old, the poor child weighed around 6 kg. That is about 30-35% less than the average.

  148. rickw

    Strict vegan parents who starved their baby of nutrients so badly the one-year-old developed cerebral palsy avoid jail

    One of the little blokes mates is “vegetarian” poor little bugger runs out of steam all the time trying to keep up with meat fuelled buddies….

  149. wivenhoe

    At one year old, the poor child weighed around 6 kg. That is about 30-35% less than the average.

    A moment please whilst I dry my tears. having lost children through drunk drivers and had to somehow survive that. please let me adopt the child and give her the best possible future. FFS what is wrong with people in these days. How can people stand by and watch this shit happen in front of their eyes?????. End of rant.

  150. duncanm

    Trump tax payments in 2005

    If I read the form correctly: $36M

  151. Atoms for Peace

    Biden air; a period during which the signal or radio broadcast is unintentionally interrupted so that no material is transmitted.

  152. Rex Anger

    Dougie MacArthur, who’s wife’s second cousin, twice removed won the order of the Red Banner, with bar, for commanding the Viet Minh forces at Dien Bien Phu?

    I thought she was in charge of the attacking forces at Thermopylae?

    Ed Case’s cousin’s wife’s mother’s brother’s great uncle’s sister’s nephew was awarded a VC there, and got the Bar at Rorke’s Drift. Neither Rorke nor his daughter were impressed…

    (Poor Edgy. He’ll never live this one down…)

  153. jo

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3600168, posted on September 28, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    Strict vegan parents who starved their baby of nutrients so badly the one-year-old developed cerebral palsy avoid jail

    The one-year-old girl was fed a homemade formula of coconut water and powder
    Doctors found widespread bruising, discoloured skin, rashes covering her body
    The now three-year-old girl suffered brain damage as a result of malnutrition

    Daily Mail.

    My grandson is not 2 months and is already 6Kg.

  154. custard

    My favourite Trumpism.

    “Not even close, I mean nothing has ever happened like this before, in the history of the world “

    #MAGA

  155. ZK2A:

    The Israeli Army were outnumbered fourteen to one on the Golan Heights and the Bar Lev Line, and that war ended with the Israelis deciding whether of not to ccupy Damascus, and their tanks on the road to Cairo…

    Next time the Ayrabs try to exterminate the Jooos, I hope I*real leaves most of her weapons on the airfields and barracks, and just uses those big explodey things.
    It’s the only way she will ever know peace.

  156. John Comnenus

    BrettW

    If Unified put on an extra 1700 staff who weren’t already in the union then about $1,105,000 would have gone to the AWU, which I think voters the security industry, in full time worker union dues. The current rate is $12.50 per week for a full time worker. So did Unified pay the Union Fees off workers?

    Did 700 people die so a union could collect over a million in union dues? Was it a Union Stacking and money laundering opportunity for the Union?

  157. areff

    Latest comment rejected at The Oz:

    Should WorkSafe Victoria chief Colin Radford receive complaints he has no choice but to investigate. If you have lost an elderly relative to COVID, complain already. The greater the weight of logged complaints, the less wriggle room not to investigate

    The number to report death as a result of negligence: 1-800-136-089

    Ms Hall must be keeping the old fellow well and truly distracted if he hasn’t noticed how his flagship is sinking at bow and stern.

  158. John Comnenus

    Following on from BrettW post. Let’s assume three months of delivery = 93 days of delivery, with 2 shifts per day = 186 individual shifts, multiplied by the 30 positions means that there were a total of 5580 shifts available. O cover these shifts, Unified used 1700 staff (if I am reading BrettW correctly). That means on average each employee worked 3.28 shifts in 3 months. Now I don’t want to sound like a cynic but I’m calling bull crap. Was the unified contract simply money laundering to the Union? Do those 1700 actual workers exist? Or is it more likely that the used a maximum of 250 staff (which would be about a 100% staff turn over rate every month) and the rest are just names for the purpose of paying and collecting Union Fees?

  159. Dr Faustus

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    A Source tells us it will be “a fascinating insight and Meghan hopes viewers will get to see the real her.”

    This is the money-shot for Netflix. There was no way they would be laying out £112 million for Mrs and Mr Markle’s cutting-edge production and concept development skills.

    Ideally a bit of side-boob, a back-door glimpse of the UK royals, and an “insiders’ insight into a deteriorating relationship’ to keep the footage valuable into the future.

  160. rickw

    Should WorkSafe Victoria chief Colin Radford receive complaints he has no choice but to investigate. If you have lost an elderly relative to COVID, complain already. The greater the weight of logged complaints, the less wriggle room not to investigate

    The number to report death as a result of negligence: 1-800-136-089

    Areff, you really need to work out how to get this more airtime. Government weaponised workplace health and safety, time to use that weapon against those that created it.

  161. Tel

    Furthermore, if anyone wants to imply that people here toppled his gyros, it may well be shown that those gyros were wobbling for at least thirty years … long before Catallaxy was thought of.

    Isn’t that “long term wobble” all the more reason to avoid being the guy who comes along and kicks it over?

  162. max

    From a Hemlock link.

    Not hard to see the CCP exploiting post-election uncertainty in the US and looks like they could be gearing up. This written by an Australian analyst:

    In recent weeks, however, China’s already creepy actions have escalated to truly psychotic stalker levels. Over 40 Chinese warplanes have crossed into Taiwanese airspace: a major escalation abandoning a longstanding de facto agreement between the two militaries. Wang Wenbin of the PRC Ministry of Foreign Affairs, undoubtedly voicing official policy, has furthermore denied the existence of any median line separating the two nations’ airspace, claiming that there could never be a median line because “Taiwan is part of China.”

    ……… It is thus well past time to bring a more pessimistic mode of analysis to bear on China’s changing behavior toward Taiwan: we not only need to prepare for the worst, as one says, but indeed for possibilities beyond our worst imaginings. Beijing’s escalating provocations require a public statement from the major powers in the region voicing their support for Taiwan: a clear statement from the United States, Japan, India, Australia, and beyond clarifying that an international coalition would recognize and provide all necessary support to Taiwan in the event of continued military provocations from China. An invasion of Taiwan, it must be made clear, would mean the end of CCP rule.

    As China claims that the median line does not exist, it is well past time for the international community to draw a clear line around Taiwan that China must not cross. If the community of democracies today cannot even stand up for a successful democracy under threat from a failed dictatorship, then what can it stand up for?

    (Kevin Carrico is Senior Lecturer in Chinese Studies at Monash University)

  163. Tintarella di Luna

    areff is this what you mean from the Oz?

    Hotel quarantine inquiry: the power to probe the ‘don’t knows’ ROBERT GOTTLIEBSEN

    The chief of WorkSafe Victoria, Colin Radford, has far more power to probe Australia’s greatest industrial disaster – the hotel quarantine fiasco – than the government-appointed investigator Jennifer Coate.

    Not only does Radford have the power and ability to get behind the “don’t knows” that studded the Coate inquiry but he will required by law to take his inquiry into much broader areas to find out what really happened. Because of what has already been revealed in the Coate inquiry, this is an incredibly dangerous situation for sections of the Victorian cabinet and public service.

    Radford can cross-examine anybody and has wide powers to view documents and other material. The parliament gave him these powers, believing they would be necessary to extract incriminating evidence from corporate executives involved in deaths caused by unsafe workplaces.
    The politicians and public servants in Victoria remember Radford as a former press secretary to premiers Steve Bracks and John Brumby and are hoping he won’t do his job and will simply either paper over the whole thing or delay and delay. But more than 700 people have died, and vast areas of the community have been brought to their knees. The public won’t stand for a whitewash either from Radford or the Director of Public Prosecutions, Kerri Judd.

    Looking at their background and abilities, I don’t think either Radford or Judd will be intimidated and will follow the clear rules set down by former premier Steve Bracks in Victoria’s Occupational Health and Safety act.

    To find out who authorised the appointment of private security guards Bradford will need to take a different approach to the top down investigation by Coate.

    The way to discover that aspect of the truth is to use old fashioned journalistic techniques and start at the bottom and talk to those that were undertaking the supposed security, then to organisations that employed them. When you reach the prime contractor or contractors you look at who signed the contract from the government. And from that base level of governmental authorisation, step by step you go up the ladder and discover who authorised each action and finally you reach the point where a document is signed and there is a dispute as to who authorised the signatory. That isolates the fault among the current showers of “don’t knows”.

    Also, along the way, there were strange conversations with the trade union movement and they too should be investigated to determine whether unions had a role in the decision-making.

    Bradford has the power to do all those things.

    But there are much bigger issues.

    Among the criminal – and I emphasise criminal – offences under sections of the Victoria’s Occupational Health And Safety Act 2004 (The Bracks act) is failure of employers, which in this case includes the government, to provide and maintain safe systems of work; failure to provide information, instruction, training and supervision for the safety of employees; failure to monitor the conditions of the workplace …. and the list goes on.

    If a group commits an OH&S offence, any officer in that group whose actions are clearly attributed to the contravention is also guilty of an offence.

    Let me illustrate with examples.

    In criminal matters like these the defence of “I don’t know” is not normally applicable. And so a drunken driver who kills 10 people can’t claim under WorkSafe that he or she didn’t know that alcohol was dangerous when driving.

    Alternatively let’s assume the government owns an oil refinery and undertakes every single conceivable safety precaution and training system but a totally unforeseen event causes it to explode and kill 700 people. Under the Bracks OH&S law all those involved including the politicians have protection. But if they did nothing by having no systems of safety and didn’t exercise their clear responsibility then they require prosecution. The court will determine whether they are guilty.

    In the evidence before the Coate inquiry it was clear many of the public servants didn’t even inquire about the systems. As I have pointed out previously members of the public can ask WorkSafe to prosecute and CEO Radford must either recommend prosecution or explain in detail why he’s not proceeding with the prosecution.

    If Radford decides not to prosecute then again individuals can ask the Director of Public Prosecutions, Kerri Judd, whether she will be prosecuting. And again if there is no prosecution then Judd must set out the full reasons and those reasons can be compared with the material in the public inquiry. Should a person be prosecuted it does not mean they are guilty — that’s up to the courts to decide. If they are found guilty then the industrial manslaughter sections of the act come unto play.

    Given that any prosecutions are criminal matters an issue will arise as to who pays the costs of defence. In the case of a corporation should it be the shareholders or is it the responsibility of the individuals on the boards?

    In this case if there were prosecutions should it be the taxpayers that pay for the defence or should it come out of the pockets of those being charged?

    If Kerri Judd and Colin Radford decide not to prosecute on the basis of “I don’t knows” then it undermines the whole work safe protection in Victoria. The perfect defence for everyone becomes “I don’t know”.

  164. John Comnenus

    Correction to my last re Unions and fees. The United Workers Union covers the security industry and their weekly fees are $10.80, so 1700 new members fully paid up for a year is approx 954,000 not $1+ mil

  165. woolfe

    TaliDan will just do a McGowan and quickly pass legislation that laws do not apply to the big people. Radford is a TaliDan appointee and it looks like he has been with Government his whole life. He’ll know what to do.

  166. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From John Comnenus at 10:29 am :

    “The whole Sicktoria enquiry looks like a fraud. No one is asking the simplest question and working from a known point upwards …
    All spending of public monies is vested in the Minister, … (who) delegates some of that authority to defined individuals … within prescribed limits in a formal order … Typically there are emergency … procurement processes where the normal process is relaxed, … usually accompanied by increased reporting requirement. …”

    Then follows a fine reference list of aspects one would have their barrister attack with gusto. As Des Deskperson notes at 12:14 pm, John Comnenus obviously knows what he is talking about with his “excellent summary of the issues and the points that need further investigation”.

    From Top Ender at 12:52 pm:

    “25 blunders!

    Key questions about … hotel quarantine system”

    The solicitors and barristers have unearthed twenty five examples which are plain worthless – generalist, with no dates, times or names of the guilty or of the responsible officers who failed.

    In those assertions who can be hunted down and ordered to appear for questioning (for the purpose of highlighting the farcical management)? The five aborigines who actually worked a shift or two? The contract is finished, done – they have long since gone walkabout. The casual rooters? Nah – they headed back to Broadmeadows Centrelink and meth clinic territory weeks ago.

    “15 – SECURITY guards smoked in the halls and took hotel towels to use as pillows while napping

    16 – TWO security guards allegedly caught engaging in sexual activity during a hotel quarantine shift tried to keep their relationship quiet but were busted after complaining about breaks to a supervisor.”

    Why did the counsel assisting not ask:

    * Were they dismissed from the site for breaking Rule 3 a) (iv)?
    * Was their timesheet signed off at that time, not at the end of their planned shift? If not, why not?
    * Were they allowed back on site again? If so, why? By whom in the Department of Public Service?

    I’d have my barrister have a full on crack at one or two of the four hundred thousand dollar per annum bureaucrats in charge of contracting, to make them cry like a NSW Health Czar-ette and fold like a house of cards, revealing all, with:

    “What sort of half arksed operation are you running in the department for which you are responsible, Mr Deputy Assistant Secretary-ette?”

    and run them through a rough costing summary, such as we see from John Comnenus at 12:36 pm, then ask the inquiry to order the dills to present their one page contract summary from March, tomorrow on a Departmental letterhead.

    A middling, indifferent legal team could make an absolute feast of the months long Government incompetence and corruption in this enquiry.

    As John summarises:

    “A cynic would say that the Inquiry is a sham …”

    Victorians have empowered Labor to build a well fortified citadel over the past 40 years – the courts and the legal profession are integral parts of its defence and to expect anything other than what they are now getting should be no surprise.

  167. John Comnenus

    Correction to my correction. If the employ gets paid more than $300 per week then the fee is $14.10 per week which would be $1,246,440 in dues or $1.3 mil if Unified paid every employees annual union dues to the UWU. But what if they were on say a 3 year casual contract, could they have paid multiple years in advance? And how much will be donated back by the Union to the ALP’s next Federal and State election campaigns.

    Either way, it looks like a lot of people got a pretty nice cut out of the Unified contract. Who got paid what on the back of 700 dead Victorians? I think that is what people would really like to know!

  168. Roger

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘have agreed to star in fly-on-the-wall Netflix reality series with cameras following them for three months’

    Will they call it “Keeping up with the Markles”?

  169. Makka

    In recent weeks, however, China’s already creepy actions have escalated to truly psychotic stalker levels.

    If Hiden gets the WH gig, there is no way he will come to Taiwan’s aid in the event China invades. So on that basis, these war games can be viewed as invasion preparations if the election goes their way. That’s how big a stake China has in Get Trump.

    “All I can say is god help America and the American people if Biden gets elected because Beijing will be in control of US policy, and the American people all of them had better wake themselves up or you will be living a living nightmare. Because Biden is Beijing’s chosen man.”

    https://medium.com/@graham100200/the-biden-china-connection-8dd2cdb8d76b

  170. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I mucked up the last line there, at 3:50pm, … it should read:

    and to expect anything other than what they are now getting should be no surprise is naive.

  171. areff

    Yes, Tinta, that’s the right column

  172. Tintarella di Luna

    Yes, Tinta, that’s the right column

    looks like it was always a deadly scam, 700 people paid with their lives.

  173. Tintarella di Luna

    Will they call it “Keeping up with the Markles”?

    What a bore, following around a pair of narcissists and their little boy — I so pity that little boy, the anchor baby.

  174. Cohenite:

    Here are the Western Australia licensed agents listing in which this extract is a sample un-edited in order at the beginning of “A”

    Which is why I suggested starting up a security company a few weeks ago in an effort to get pistols into Australian hands.

  175. Roger

    Peter Hitchens in The Critic:

    Democracy Muzzled.

    Melbourne gets a mention.

  176. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tel at 3:33 pm:

    ” Furthermore, if anyone wants to imply that people here toppled his gyros, it may well be shown that those gyros were wobbling for at least thirty years … long before Catallaxy was thought of.

    Isn’t that “long term wobble” all the more reason to avoid being the guy who comes along and kicks it over?

    Why?

  177. rickw:
    Prices – Quantity 250 stickers.
    $200 + $25 shipping + $22.50 gst= $247.50

    500 Stickers
    $250 + $30 shipping + $28 gst= $308

    My suggestion is 500 stickers.

  178. Speedbox

    If Hiden gets the WH gig, there is no way he will come to Taiwan’s aid in the event China invades.

    Very little doubt about that. The Taiwan Relations Act does not stipulate that the USA must respond militarily. Under the Act and the Six Assurances, it seems that the US must provide aid and assistance, but that could be milk and bread supplies. I just can’t see Biden authorising a punch-up with the CCP over Taiwan. Lots of protests to the UN and a few sanctions, but not a shot fired by the US forces.

    Taiwan would be, with good reason, very nervous about a Biden win. (same could be said for a few other countries).

  179. cohenite

    Which is why I suggested starting up a security company a few weeks ago in an effort to get pistols into Australian hands.

    It’s easy enough to set up a security firm. The gun licence qualification is a bit more complicated.

  180. Makka

    Victorians have empowered Labor to build a well fortified citadel over the past 40 years

    If the Victorian electorate has a sufficiently dumb demographic to vote Labor and the media here predominantly SJW/Green/Leftards , then really the sky is the limit in terms of what a Labor Govt can get away with.

    But, it’s not that hard at all to work out who is responsible for the quarantine debacle, whether they know it or not. Emergency Response Victoria are in charge of executing the covid response and they publish their organisation chart.

    This is the Commissioner. Crisp.

    https://www.emv.vic.gov.au/about-us/our-organisation/emergency-management-commissioner.

    Home> About us >Our organisation >Our structure
    Our structure
    Emergency Management Victoria is a statutory entity led by the Emergency Management Commissioner and the Chief Executive.

    Page 28 of this document details the Response Plan and responsibilities of all members within the organisation. Highly paid, several hundred $k pa .

    So rather than an Inquiry, Crisp et all should be up on charges and then let the following court case decide his guilt or otherwise, along with any others that may be identified for criminal negligence along the way.

    Crisp was in charge, it was his call on how to manage the quarantine. Ergo as a long serving high ranking Police officer in Vic, he no doubt has the goods on Dan and therefore untouchable. Which is why Olive Makakos was given the honour of being the speed bump in the bus lane;

    Authorities in Victoria believed they could run hotel quarantine without the help of the military or police, it has been revealed.

    Emergency Management Victoria Commissioner Andrew Crisp has maintained the Australian Defence Force didn’t offer personnel for the program at a meeting on March 27, nor did he ask for their help. [We now know this is a lie]

    “We believed that we had the resources within the state to meet the needs of that particular program,” he told the Public Accounts and Estimates Committee’s COVID-19 Inquiry on Wednesday.

    Mr Crisp said the decision to use private security guards was made at the same meeting, although talks had already begun with contractors.

    “Work had already been undertaken to plan for hotel quarantine,” he said, noting the program began the following day.

    The inquiry previously heard the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions was responsible for awarding contracts to three security companies: MSS, Unified and Wilson.

    When asked if Victoria Police assistance was offered to guard returned travellers Mr Crisp replied: “that was not part of the discussion”.

    [Of course, because the decision to give the juicy contract to maaates had already been made]

    Why has Crisp not been charged with Criminal Negligence leaing to the deaths of over 700 people?

  181. Mitch M.

    Tel
    #3600208, posted on September 28, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    Furthermore, if anyone wants to imply that people here toppled his gyros, it may well be shown that those gyros were wobbling for at least thirty years … long before Catallaxy was thought of.

    Isn’t that “long term wobble” all the more reason to avoid being the guy who comes along and kicks it over?

    Yep, “kicking it over” is like offering a schizophrenic pot to smoke. You’re inviting a meltdown. It’s like a reformed alcoholic a drink. Better people recognise when someone is in a vulnerable psychological state the very least they can do is make an effort not to make matters worse.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    Isn’t that “long term wobble” all the more reason to avoid being the guy who comes along and kicks it over?

    Ah, well.
    A couple of things.
    1. I have only just unearthed the long term wobble.
    2. The alternative is to allow someone to spout bullshit 24/7 without any challenge. This is not that sort of blog.
    3. Constantly accusing other posters of dastardly deeds, even after disinterested third parties pulled his chain.
    4. There were increasingly desparate attempts to glean personal contact details of posters (particularly newbies) … “I need to know a lot of detail. email me at yadayada.yada @ bigpond dot net dot au”.
    Dangerous.

  183. min

    Neal QC in summing up found that all three department secretaries neglected to keep their ministers informed and all made excuses why they had not . However is it the ministers job to ask questions and follow upon papers as The age onJuly 13th that told of problems in hotel quarantine from day one.
    Again all three?

  184. K2

    A stencil and a spray can is a lot cheaper than getting stickers printed up.

  185. Makka

    Page 28 of this document details the Response Plan..

    State Health Emergency Response Plan – Health.vicwww2.health.vic.gov.au › Api › downloadmedia

  186. cohenite

    But, it’s not that hard at all to work out who is responsible for the quarantine debacle, whether they know it or not. Emergency Response Victoria are in charge of executing the covid response and they publish their organisation chart.

    This is the Commissioner. Crisp.

    https://www.emv.vic.gov.au/about-us/our-organisation/emergency-management-commissioner.

    Look at that mug and remember evil is banal.

  187. Leigh Lowe

    Yep, “kicking it over” is like offering a schizophrenic pot to smoke. You’re inviting a meltdown. It’s like a reformed alcoholic a drink. Better people recognise when someone is in a vulnerable psychological state the very least they can do is make an effort not to make matters worse.

    See my post at 4:42.
    We are revisiting “Absinthe friends” territory.
    Did anyone here recognise “a vulnerable psychological state” prior and raise it with Sinc?
    My reference was to conspiracy theories coupled with delusions of grandeur, which I have only discovered when someone here obliquely identified the individual post meltdown.
    My main concern (shared by at least one other) was the chicken-hawk “armed resistance” shit, coupled with attempts to snag contact details from posters.
    Not that I thought he would do much personally, but could maybe trigger someone else.

  188. Arky

    Leigh Lowe
    #3600247, posted on September 28, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    ..
    Murderer.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Mitch M.
    Furthermore, the logical extension of what you say is that, the crazier the ideas being posted, the more reluctant we should be to call them out, because we should be able to judge that someone posting such outrageous stuff is “unstable”.

    Interesting concept for a libertarian blog.

  190. A stencil and a spray can is a lot cheaper than getting stickers printed up.

    Stickers are far more stealthy though. Can be used at all times of the day. Try spraying a stencil somewhere prominent at midday. Not possible!

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Arky

    #3600249, posted on September 28, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    Leigh Lowe
    #3600247, posted on September 28, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    ..
    Murderer.

    Well, probably.
    Which one?

  192. Roger

    The inquiry previously heard the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions was responsible for awarding contracts to three security companies: MSS, Unified and Wilson.

    So why has Jenny Mikakos resigned and not Martin Pakula as well?

    Labor Party internal politics.

  193. Makka

    My main concern (shared by at least one other) was the chicken-hawk “armed resistance” shit, coupled with attempts to snag contact details from posters.

    Until MF made the remarks about digging out personal details of RMIT staff and the “Say hi to the Mrs and kids” threat, I could put up with his demeanor. After that, nah. That’s potentially a dangerous nutter.

  194. calli

    Crisp has impressive epaulettes.

  195. Mitch M.

    Leigh Lowe
    #3600250, posted on September 28, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    Mitch M.
    Furthermore, the logical extension of what you say is that, the crazier the ideas being posted, the more reluctant we should be to call them out, because we should be able to judge that someone posting such outrageous stuff is “unstable”.

    Interesting concept for a libertarian blog.

    Another logical extension is reflected in the last response I made to MV: seek help.

    Libertarians are not excused from being compassionate.

  196. rickw

    My suggestion is 500 stickers.

    Hi Winston,

    I’ll be in touch shortly!!

  197. Leigh Lowe

    Yes, Makka.
    Up until that point I was mostly concerned about his chicken-hawk “front bar urger” schtick about “armed resistance”.
    And thank you for reminding us.
    I am interested to know if anyone wants to fall in behind that one.

  198. Mitch M.

    I just watched this. Sapolsky can teach us a great deal about understanding the nature and causes of depression. It is an introductory leisure so don’t worry about being overwhelmed by the content.

  199. Arky

    Libertarians are not excused from being compassionate.

    ..
    Sure they are.
    Be fair.
    You can’t expect sociopaths to show compassion.

  200. rickw

    Crisp has impressive epaulettes.

    First job when you’re a proto-nazi, call Hugo Boss!

  201. Leigh Lowe

    Another logical extension is reflected in the last response I made to MV: seek help.

    Which was made after the “RMIT” post right?

  202. Trump went out to 2.37 @Pointsbet. I got on for a bit, now in to 2.25. Lol, market mover, again! 😎😎
    Buy the dips!

  203. JC

    Anyone seen this?

    Massive absentee ballot buying by that disgusting Somali woman. Project Veritas strikes again.

    Holy fuck.

    https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1310397119539359744

  204. calli

    A tweet from JC’s link:

    samanthamarika
    @samanthamarika1
    ·
    8h
    IF Trump was legally able to only pay $750 in taxes on a billion dollar estate…then we want this man in charge of our economy.

    I call that genius.

    🙂

  205. rickw

    Cohenite:

    Here are the Western Australia licensed agents listing in which this extract is a sample un-edited in order at the beginning of “A”

    Which is why I suggested starting up a security company a few weeks ago in an effort to get pistols into Australian hands.

    The best approach is to get people to join a military rifle club:

    1) In many states this opens up a lot of pistols manufactured before a certain date. A lot of useful stuff.
    2) It is also an avenue to anti-material rifles.
    2) When we start to retake ground, they will most probably cave in specific and limited areas first that demand higher qualification eg. Need to be a member of SSAA plus Military Rifle Club.

    People should NOT lose sight of the fact that you can do an awful lot right now:

    1) Remington 7615 is a good rifle in .223.
    2) The SMLE is still a potent bit of kit in any form.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    The vibe I’m getting from the Trump tax return stuff is that there’s nothing, zip, zilch illegal. The only thing illegal about the whole thing is the leaking leaker(s) and the New York Slimes story.

    Joel Pollak @joelpollak

    New York Times says Trump paid no taxes in some years, because of huge losses. They found nothing on Russia and no Michael Cohen. They confirmed he has been under audit a long time. And nothing illegal, apparently — except the IRS leak.

    8:03 AM · Sep 28, 2020

    Amazing how every time they go after him he turns out actually to be a very law abiding guy.

  207. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the very least they can do is make an effort not to make matters worse.’

    Just got back. As has been said, what are the options?

    Not only proposing ludicrous strategies, but shoving them down people’s throats followed by abuse when their effectiveness is questioned. We’re still allowed to do that, right? Should we have adopted the shaving mirror method instead?

    Rather than respond with even more abuse, this hilarious-if-it-wasn’t-so-serious parallel universe thrust upon the rest of us was initially met as it should be. With parody, and ridicule when deserved. Nobody here provoked the Gigantor-esque nuffiness that followed. Nobody.

    If anything, kudos to management for allowing it to go on as long as it did.

  208. rickw

    Holy fuck.

    Love how the video has plenty of dirka dirka in it!

  209. rickw

    Love the Jug, what a monster!

  210. rickw

    A YouTube version of what JC linked above:

  211. cohenite

    rickw
    #3600283, posted on September 28, 2020 at 5:37 pm
    A YouTube version of what JC linked above:

    The suds and the somalis are a such a fucking asset; every where they go.

  212. Armadillo

    The vibe I’m getting from the Trump tax return stuff is that there’s nothing, zip, zilch illegal.

    Exactly. This is the same bullshit they were trying before the last election.

    The IRS would have been through every single tax return he had ever lodged the day he announced his nomination back in 2015. Probably 100 times since then. Every last tax return from 1st one he lodged.

    They would have gone through it for a couple of reasons. Firstly, “deep staters” and “democrat loyalists” within the IRS trying to find dirt. Secondly would be the senior management who value their jobs. You wouldn’t want it to be revealed that you “fucked up” the tax assessment of the most powerful man in the world. Not a good look. Your career is kaput. Gone.

    Besides, does anyone here really think that there has been a legion of Trump supporters in the IRS for the past 50 years trying to minimise Donald Trumps tax bill for the past 50 years? If that’s the case, then he really is GOD.

    It’s total bullshit.

  213. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    if this was a private business the board would be jailed for life, why not the dictator?
    Hotel quarantine inquiry hears Daniel Andrews’ government ‘responsible for deaths of 768 people’
    In a devastating blow for Daniel Andrews, the hotel quarantine inquiry has heard his team was “responsible for the deaths of 768 people”.

  214. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Another own goal from the Federal Government today.

    Responding to the NZ PM who, in the context of a NZ general election, aired the possibility of some sort of ‘travel bubble’ for New Zealanders to visit Australia, and even countenanced that Australian “hot spots” would have to be ‘roped’ off to ensure that New Zealanders wouldn’t catch the China Pestilence while “over here”, the Australian Deputy PM intimated that it would be a good idea to re-open travel across the ditch.

    But no mention of pushing state Premiers to open their borders to have Australian citizens travel across their country. So under this plan, aliens could have more rights in this country than Australian citizens.

    Later, on Sky, when asked about a ‘travel bubble’ the Trade Minister, Simon Birmingham, also included opening up to our ‘South Pacific family members’.

    Again, no mention of the closed state borders here and no questions from the reporter – Kieran Gilbert. But we did hear that these discussions are being held at the highest level: PM to PM.

    We must be the dumbest people to on Earth to accept this tripe!

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Rather than respond with even more abuse, this hilarious-if-it-wasn’t-so-serious parallel universe thrust upon the rest of us was initially met as it should be. With parody, and ridicule when deserved. Nobody here provoked the Gigantor-esque nuffiness that followed. Nobody.

    Well, yes.
    This is not one of Number’s remedial classes where we dare not challenge ridiculous off-the-wall stuff, for fear the little numpty will jump of the bus shelter.
    In fact, I would argue that the lack of response (scrolling) was initially regarded as affirmation.

  216. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So rather than an Inquiry, Crisp et all should be up on charges and then let the following court case decide his guilt or otherwise, along with any others that may be identified for criminal negligence along the way.

    afaik the way victoria has drafted its workplace manslaughter legistlation, it does not exclude the public service or politicians. maybe someone more knowledgeble can chime in…

  217. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The vibe I’m getting from the Trump tax return stuff is that there’s nothing, zip, zilch illegal.

    billionaires generally don’t pay themselves an income, generally they use capital gains due to the lower rate to cover their expenses

  218. rickw

    The suds and the somalis are a such a fucking asset; every where they go.

    Their homelands being the most fetid shitholes Africa has to offer is inexplicable!

  219. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    and there it is

    Who can be charged with workplace manslaughter?
    Organisations and self-employed persons
    Organisations and self-employed persons who hold specified duties under the OHS Act (as outlined below) can be prosecuted for the offence of workplace manslaughter. Organisations include:

    bodies corporate (for example, registered companies)
    incorporated associations
    statutory authorities
    trustee of a trust
    unincorporated bodies and unincorporated associations
    partnerships
    government entities.

  220. custard

    The IRS would have been through every single tax return he had ever lodged the day he announced his nomination back in 2015. Probably 100 times since then. Every last tax return from 1st one he lodged.

    Arma, I’m pinching this. Thank you.

  221. rickw

    In a devastating blow for Daniel Andrews, the hotel quarantine inquiry has heard his team was “responsible for the deaths of 768 people”.

    Mind blowing death toll.

    Victorian Government smashes its previous PB from Eureka by a considerable margin.

  222. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Makka
    #3600256, posted on September 28, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    👍

  223. MatrixTransform

    The things you see on the beach at Chelsea these days …

    …wasn’t me but it warms my heart to know that somebody gets it

  224. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Prince Harry, Meghan Markle reportedly ‘violated’ Megxit deal with voting plea
    Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s comments urging Americans to vote were a “violation” of their deal to leave the royal family.

  225. Roger

    In a devastating blow for Daniel Andrews, the hotel quarantine inquiry has heard his team was “responsible for the deaths of 768 people”.

    How many deaths will the lockdown cause in the longer term?

    Equal to or above, I’d suggest.

    Keep a weather eye on figures on suicides & deaths by cancer and other diseases.

  226. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Who can be charged with workplace manslaughter?

    statutory authorities
    government entities.

    why is the public prosecutor missing in action????

  227. FMD, Channel 9 news is even worse that channel 7 or the ABC. Their misrepresentation of Trump’s nothingburger tax return was straight out of Pravda. Straight up accusations of tax avoidance and fraud.

    Rabz doctrine now!

  228. Roger

    why is the public prosecutor missing in action????

    They need a referral from VicPol or Worksafe.

  229. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    dictator dan should get life – they went after private and public companies, now lets watch the government hypocrisy unfold as dictator dan is bitten on the ass by his own laws

    Penalties
    If convicted of workplace manslaughter, the following penalties apply (as at 1 July 2020):

    a maximum of 25 years imprisonment for individuals; and
    a maximum fine of $16.5 million for body corporates.

  230. MatrixTransform

    My suggestion is 500 stickers.

    I will pony up for some of those stickers

  231. Armadillo

    Arma, I’m pinching this. Thank you.

    It’s only common sense, Custard.

  232. Eyrie

    Anyone else having trouble accessing Zerohedge today?

  233. MatrixTransform

    remember evil is banal

    liberty quote

  234. Bruce of Newcastle

    why is the public prosecutor missing in action????

    Is that the same Vicistani public prosecutor who elected not to prosecute any of the 30 or so perps fingered by Heydon in the unions RC?

  235. Tel

    why is the public prosecutor missing in action????

    Good time to resuscitate the idea of private prosecution.

  236. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    woolies is selling cricket powder, soon it will be the only protein we are allowed

    Jacinda Ardern vows to ban plastic cutlery, straws and single-use coffee cups as part of her new waste policy
    Drink stirrers, some cups and lids, fruit stickers, and cotton buds will be banned
    Businesses will have five years to find substitutes to the everyday plastic items
    Jacinda Ardern sped up the policy after she read letters from worried children
    The zero waste policy costs $50million and depends on ballot results next month

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