Tuesday Forum: September 29, 2020

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  1. lotocoti

    Why are lefties so evil Numbers?

    Good luck getting our friend explain how Lenin’s revolutionary terror is a bug, not a feature, BoN.

  2. Snoopy

    Murdoch 666 mouthpiece.

    Fresh pictures have emerged of the moment graffiti labelling Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews a “tyrant” was removed from his electorate office in suburban Melbourne.
    The words “tyrant”, “liar”, “scum”, “lackey” and “CCP” were scrawled in red on the Noble Park office overnight, with staff arriving to find the hate vandalism last Friday morning.

    It’s believed “CCP” stands for Chinese Communist Party.

    LOL

  3. feelthebern

    Crazy days.
    Biden & Hillary attend the funeral of an “Exalted Cyclops” whatever the fuck that is, Biden actually speaks.
    Trump has denounced David Duke for 30 years.
    But Trump is the racist.
    What a time to be alive.

  4. Haha. No they’re not. They are absolutely true. The US GDP under Trump was the largest of any country ever. African-American unemployment was the lowest on record. The stock market was the highest on record.

    Lots of “was” in that statement.
    “Was” is irrelevant if you’re out of work, and have lost your health cover during a pandemic.

  5. Farmer Gez

    The Victorian government has promised to provide extra training for Spotless staff.

    Spotless is a very good business.
    They are claiming staff became infected at the hotel but Dan’s Gulag medical team say they brought the infection in with them.
    Who to believe?

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Great catch from James Woods: Joe was wired up.

  7. When a presidential candidate refers to the size of his dick as a debating point, you get a pretty fair idea of the level of his maturity.
    Trump is locked in perpetual adolescence.
    That would be funny if it wasn’t dangerous.
    See 4:50.

  8. Nick

    Twostix
    #3603050, posted on October 1, 2020 at 8:15 am
    If you three (leigh and side kick knuckle) feel guilty about your perceived part in mv’s shitting himself you should probably deal with that instead of patrolling the blog 24/7 trying to tag-team bully people into having the correct opinion (or not make tame jokes about ) the matter.

    Lol. As if.

  9. feelthebern

    Google Robert Byrd.
    Half the results are debunking that he was a KKK Grand Wizard, so fucking what.
    He was an Exalted Cyclops.
    To be part of that organisation shows a real lack of intelligence.
    To rise to be part of it’s leadership structure shows a level of insidiousness.
    Joe Biden spoke at his funeral.

  10. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lots of “was” in that statement.

    Yep, Numbers. True. As I said that “was” is due to the Chinese, the Democrat Party, the lefty MSM and Antifa/BLM. But I repeat myself.

    Why do lefties hate ordinary people so much that they are prepared to destroy the economy in order to get their way? Especially when their objectives are so insane and evil?

  11. Roger

    Spotless is a very good business.

    Maybe so, but a complainst has been made by a health worker and it seems the government has conceded a problem exists.

    Knowing what we now know about Victoria’s hotel quarantine regime, persisting with this model appears to be doubling down on the stupidity out of pure political intransigence.

    There’s one possible upside, though; as another report noted today, Dan Andrews will not survive a “third wave” outbreak.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    Haha, remember when the left accused Trump of having small hands?
    More projection from Numbers.

  13. feelthebern

    Gavin has been talking about America’s intellectual obesity on a Parler post this morning.
    So true.
    Individuals only have themselves to blame for being so fucking retarded.

  14. Farmer Gez

    The Obama legacy:

    Wrecked health care system.
    Institutional spying on political opponents.
    The rise of Antifa BLM and racial violence.
    The denigration of the police.
    Mayhem in Libya.
    The funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism.
    The unchallenged Chinese power grab.
    The throttling of US productive capacity due to high energy costs.

    I’ll concede he did manage to get shit lunches for school kids thanks to his wife.

  15. feelthebern

    Wrecked health care system.

    It already was pretty shit unless you were rich (or had bullet proof insurance).
    He just made it worse by reducing choice & increasing the cost for the middle class.

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    Haha, even the New York Times rejects Numbers’ stupid comments about the economy.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1311145022516068352

    Apparently that tweet has lefty NYT subscribers “in rebellion, ‘canceling subs’ en masse“, although I regard RT as unreliable as the NYT. They do have quite a bunch of irate tweets from lefties in their story though.

    (I wonder how long before that NYT tweet is memory holed?)

  17. Crossie

    Ben Garrison wins the cartoons this morning. Thanks Tom for this great pick-me-up each morning.

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    Looks like lefties know who won the debate:

    Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate (30 Sep, via BCF)

  19. Crossie

    It’s believed “CCP” stands for Chinese Communist Party.

    It seems an awful lot has to be explained to the wokesters.

  20. feelthebern

    Speaking to a mate in NY this morning & he was saying there’s already a move on to scrap term limits so Bloomberg can run as mayor in 2021.
    Who knows how that would all work, but he’d win in a landslide.
    Terrible politician.
    Terrible social policies.
    But a great administrator.
    Not sure how his stop & frisk policies would work these days though.

  21. Crossie

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3603120, posted on October 1, 2020 at 9:11 am
    Looks like lefties know who won the debate:

    Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate (30 Sep, via BCF)

    As the saying goes, don’t take any notice of what the lefties are saying, look at what they are doing.

  22. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mayhem in Libya.”

    We need to be more precise here…..slavery in Libya. Such a great achievement from the first black President…..the return of sub-Saharan slavery to North Africa!

  23. Cassie of Sydney

    Toowoomba Bob and Richard Spencer…two racists…support Joe Biden.

  24. Mother Lode

    Note: Not supporting them (nor condemning them), just doing a bit of fact checking. Bob sees Nazis around every corner…and on every page.

    He has trouble proving that the mob he supports are near indistinguishable from the Nastis – they have even gone the race issue. Old marxists didn’t have p[articular issue with race in theory – they liked killing class enemies.

    Now they have adopted a racial theory, but here it is white people must be shepherds to the black sheep. The sheep are expendable. Just look at who is most impacted by BLM, Antifa, and endless left wing policies. They have even set up ghettos!

    But they can be used to grease the tracks for the progressive political machine.

  25. rickw

    Looks like lefties know who won the debate:

    Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate (30 Sep, via BCF)

    Always disappoints me that it’s not “Move to Cuba”.

    Shitting on The West whilst protected by it.

  26. Sinclair Davidson

    Leigh Lowe – please, I’m asking very nicely, leave it alone. Move on. There must be more important and interesting thing to carry on about.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Sinc.
    Does that apply to all those assigning accountability for MV’s wobble to people here?
    You might note that I have only responded to accusations from others.

  28. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Coinbase Inc Chief Executive Officer Brian Armstrong has offered a severance package to employees unwilling to cope with the cryptocurrency exchange’s new policy of not entertaining discussions on societal and political issues.

    Armstrong’s email, which a source said was sent on Tuesday, follows an earlier blog post published on Sunday, where he said the company would not engage in issues unrelated to its core mission.

  29. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Obama legacy:

    Wrecked health care system.
    Institutional spying on political opponents.
    The rise of Antifa BLM and racial violence.
    The denigration of the police.
    Mayhem in Libya.
    The funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism.
    The unchallenged Chinese power grab.
    The throttling of US productive capacity due to high energy costs.

    the emasculation of the US military
    middle east and north african chaos
    rise of ISIS and unrestrained is lam ic terrorism

  30. dover_beach

    a white supremacy group, the Proud Boys,

    Meet one of the leaders of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, who is Hispanic, not White.

    Or the ‘elder leaders’ of the Proud Boys, who most certainly are not White.

    ‘White supremacy’ is a term invented by BLM marxists to describe anyone who opposes them. Like ‘white guilt’ it is a handy, catchy term used to appeal to their ignorant, weak-minded useful idiots.

    Indeed. The media are perpetuating this calumny in order to continue Biden’s distraction re the rioting in US cities being entirely the fault of ANTIFA/BLM which he failed to disavow and pretended was only ‘an idea’.

  31. Crossie

    feelthebern
    #3603122, posted on October 1, 2020 at 9:13 am
    Speaking to a mate in NY this morning & he was saying there’s already a move on to scrap term limits so Bloomberg can run as mayor in 2021.
    Who knows how that would all work, but he’d win in a landslide.
    Terrible politician.
    Terrible social policies.
    But a great administrator.
    Not sure how his stop & frisk policies would work these days though.

    That’s what every city needs, an efficient leftie.

  32. Roger

    Shitting on The West whilst protected by it.

    Evil is always parasitic on the good.

    It has no life source in itself.

  33. Mother Lode

    As the saying goes, don’t take any notice of what the lefties are saying, look at what they are doing.

    True.

    They hate their opponents. They will without scruple say things that are not untrue precisely to manipulate their opponent. They will happily shout in the midst of danger “Stay here while I get help” and then run and hide.

    The mendacity of the progressive MSM is near proverbial.

  34. Crossie

    rickw
    #3603134, posted on October 1, 2020 at 9:25 am
    Looks like lefties know who won the debate:

    Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate (30 Sep, via BCF)

    Always disappoints me that it’s not “Move to Cuba”.

    Shitting on The West whilst protected by it.

    It’s one of those eternal mysteries.

  35. Rex Anger

    @ Zippy-

    The Obama legacy:

    Wrecked health care system.
    Institutional spying on political opponents.
    The rise of Antifa BLM and racial violence.
    The denigration of the police.
    Mayhem in Libya.
    The funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism.
    The unchallenged Chinese power grab.
    The throttling of US productive capacity due to high energy costs.

    the emasculation of the US military
    middle east and north african chaos
    rise of ISIS and unrestrained is lam ic terrorism

    And more, but at least he looked and sounded ‘Presidential’ while doing it. And amongst normies and elder generations out there, that appears what is most important. Never mind that the most ‘statesmanlike’ political leaders out here in recent memory have been amog the foulest, most tyrannical and most thieving. It’s all about the front, the script and the act.

    Heaven help us all when the People elect straight-shooters, who commit he additional sin of not being Socialist…

  36. JC

    mh
    #3603060, posted on October 1, 2020 at 8:27 am

    The only white supremacist I am aware of is Richard Spencer, and he has declared he will be voting Democratic.

    Along with David Duke. More specifically they’ve said they’re voting for Hiden Biden.

  37. Sinclair Davidson

    Does that apply to all those assigning accountability for MV’s wobble to people here?

    Please. All of you. I don’t ask for much. Rather over-comply than try test the limits.

  38. JC

    In any event, if Trump is a white supreme, he must really hate his Joo..ish daughter and son-in-law then.

  39. feelthebern

    Biden is now saying he didn’t wear a wire.
    He was wearing Rosary Beads.
    FFS.

  40. 132andBush

    The video of the wire on Biden looks a bit fake.
    The wire suddenly appears from one frame to the next.

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3603157, posted on October 1, 2020 at 9:47 am
    In any event, if Trump is a white supreme, he must really hate his Joo..ish daughter and son-in-law then.”

    Indeed.

  42. JC

    Bern

    I don’t think Hiden was wearing a wire. That pic was just a crease in his shirt. The rosary beads thing is that he apparently wears some around his wrist, which is to do about his dead son.

    There’s a lot more to go after Hiden than this.

  43. Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t know whether Biden was wired….but he was most definitely on medication.

  44. JC

    I don’t know whether Biden was wired….but he was most definitely on medication.

    Did you see his eyes? They were literally protruding out of their sockets. He was on at least a gallon of something.

  45. feelthebern

    Two worst performing cities in the US for house prices.
    NY & SF.

    Two best performing cities.
    Phoenix & Seattle.

  46. feelthebern

    Who’s hosting the next debate?

  47. feelthebern

    That house price data was for the last 12 months.
    Charlotte was the 3rd best performing city.

  48. Mother Lode

    The video of the wire on Biden looks a bit fake.
    The wire suddenly appears from one frame to the next.

    I think there is something there, and prior to the wire becoming visible he is fidgeting around where the inside right pocket would be. The wire could be what he was fiddling with if it was uncomfortable.

    But there was nothing running up to his ear.

    Some people have speculated microphone, but he was in front of a microphone already, and it did not sound like they were turning them off, so anyone could hear what he was saying.

    All this is a roundabout way of saying I am not certain what the wire was.

  49. Struth

    We have easily debunked the propaganda used to bring about this communist coup d’ etat.

    Dan Andrews is being singled out as incompetent and therefore responsible for deaths, around 700 or so being the agreed figure.
    So what will that achieve?
    Does it look like he’s going anywhere?
    Andrews talks down to the kiddies who call themselves journalists, because he is speaking to hand picked kiddies who call themselves journalists.
    They fear him and wish not to upset him and it is obvious with every question.
    This is socialist control, you know, as all these teachers, academics and other scum have desired.
    This new “covid Normal” which is a just another name for communist control.
    Freedoms given and freedoms taken will be at politician’s decree and you’ll be thankful for their wisdom and guidance.
    You’ll move around showing your immunisation papers, then other good citizen papers will need to be produced, although micro-chipping and the like will be far easier.
    No cash means you’ll be unable to get your credit points if you have been a bad citizen.
    You’ll be tracked.
    We are already unable to leave the country by order of Chairman Mo.
    We are captives.
    Those deaths (that would have occurred anyway, and have just been reclassified as covid deaths), are beneficial to both Uniparties.
    And life, if you call it that, goes on and there is no challenge by the placid, weak, divided and already long ago conquered people of Australia.

    But the observation I have not yet made that I wish to today, is in regard to arrogance.
    Extreme arrogance, to the point of delusions of being gods.

    Imagine being Sco Mo or Dan Andrews for just a minute.
    Annastasi, or any of the cabinet.
    Indeed, imagine being a CHO. or CMO depending on your title choice.

    The gobsmacking arrogance.
    The gobsmacking, chilling and psychotic arrogance of these people.
    Seriously, the absolute faith in their own godliness is just breathtaking to behold.

    This delusion that seems easily succumbed to by insulated, overpaid public servants.
    Those with the flash offices, large titles and salaries, and yet in reality, not needed at all.
    The private jets, exemptions from the rules they decree over others, and on it goes.
    Massive salaries and people wanting their favour and corruption, their word taken seriously by all those in their immediate bubble.
    They start to think of themselves as higher lifeforms.

    Our Public service in Australia is sick at all levels, way over the top and heavily politicised, and has produced thousands of arrogant lanyard wearing arseholes who believe in their own hearts that they know better. That they are better, and must be taken seriously.
    If you are in the public service, and you move to imprison the free healthy people of your nation because you feel you have the god like ability to win against a virus and virtually eliminate it, you are one very sick cookie.
    The parting of the red sea, mere child’s play to these people.
    Insane in the true sense of the word.

    We are now being held down by these self appointed gods worshipped in the church of Holy Government.
    And make no mistake, they will make Jonestown look like a fun day out amongst the sane.

    These people could very easily be classified as religious extremists and terrorists.
    They, based on their religious beliefs, are terrorising this nation.
    And absolute Millions who are not members of the Church of Holy Government, with it’s many gods, are it’s victims.

  50. cohenite

    Joe was drugged to the eyeballs and imo had underwent some serious conditioning. His lack of flexibility and defaulting to talking points showed that. His only spontaneous utterances were shut up, clown etc which were mental reflexes.

    Tom’s toons were a mixed bunch; even Leak did not get what Trump did. Trump could not not interrupt; wallace wasn’t go to allow the real issues to flow and Trump got those out which had not been covered by the msm. After rewatching Trump I am amazed how controlled he was; joe was a programmed zombie and wallace at best could not control his left leanings.

  51. JC

    Yea NY is a mess, but at least the Upper Eastside is fine. 🙂 Still can’t wait to get there. It’s just a temporary blip.

    How’s that for chance, I own real estate in the two worst-run cities in the western world. New York = Blazing Saddles and Melbourne = the Hunchback. The two worst imbeciles in the world. You just can’t make this shit up.

  52. JC

    feelthebern
    #3603170, posted on October 1, 2020 at 9:57 am

    Who’s hosting the next debate?

    I read Wallace is the most even handed compared to the next two. Think about that. They’re also talking about giving the host the right to cut off the microphone. Trump won’t be allowed to talk.

  53. JC

    “Mayhem in Libya.”

    We need to be more precise here…..slavery in Libya. Such a great achievement from the first black President…..the return of sub-Saharan slavery to North Africa!

    France, Italy, the UK and Russia are deeply involved all having separate agendas. Imagine the abortion that’s going to be created once they’re done with the place. Slavery will be the best thing about it. 🙂

  54. Good morning all.
    Plibbers getting her knickers in a knot. When has higher edumacation been an export industry? From the Hun:

    ‘The federal government has been accused of waging a cultural war on Australia’s universities, and weakening the nation’s fourth largest export industry.
    Labor’s education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek will tell a higher education summit on Thursday that Liberal Party hostility (chortle) on higher education during the pandemic was undermining the aspirations of potential students. “Liberal politicians want Australians to think a certain way about our universities. They want us to think universities are impractical, an indulgence, a finishing school for the pampered elite.” she said.
    Ms Plibersek’s comments come in response to university staff missing out on JobKeeper payments.
    Education Minister Dan Tehan announced on Wednesday that an extra 12000 university places would be provided nationwide as part of a $326 million funding package for the higher education sector.’

    Throwing more cashola around hasn’t appeased the lady methinks. Sounds like a bit of a class war rattling of sabres. Correct me please but wasn’t she from a well off family and is a Sydney University alum?
    And an export industry? FMD why wouldn’t we want to keep our best and brightest here instead of flying in students who have no real interest in being here after their courses finish?

  55. Makka

    Scummo going hard for more manufacturing now. This country destroyed it’s manufacturing sector with green expensive unreliable energy, red and green tape reg straight jacket, commo unions whose only aim is to bleed profitable businesses to death.

    As usual we have Summo, seeming to do something. But in reality it’s “look at meeee”.

  56. JC

    Pierce Brosnan pad.

    The outside has a cheap Balinese feel to it. Anyways, his wife needs to get off the food intake as she’s tons overweight. I saw them in Sardinia a few years ago. Way, way overweight.

  57. Bruce of Newcastle

    Joe was drugged to the eyeballs

    Yes, there’s another still which seems to show a drip inserted to the underside of one wrist. Which if true explains how he could last the whole debate – he was continually being topped up as it were.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    Trump won’t be allowed to talk.

    That will help him. Biden needs to be heard.

  59. JC

    According to The WSJ, this is what makes Trump a sympathetic white supremo. This comment:

    In perhaps the most discussed moment of the night, Mr. Wallace asked Mr. Trump if he would condemn white supremacist groups and urge them to stand down in clashes such as those in Kenosha, Wis., and Portland, Ore. Mr. Trump said: “Sure, I’m willing to do that, but I would say, I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look—I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

    FMD.

    For the Right, it’s like climbing a pyramid rock by fucking rock with these arseholes.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    Two best performing cities.
    Phoenix & Seattle.

    Seattle? Weird.

    Perhaps so much property has been burnt down that it is creating supply issues.

  61. JC

    That will help him. Biden needs to be heard.

    Dude, his wisecracks are the best thing about these debates.
    Telling Hiden to never use the word smart in reference to himself was what made the night. Going after Bunter Hiden too.

  62. Speedbox

    NATO and the Ukraine

    NATO has extended yet another in a long line of “incentives” designed to tease Ukraine with the prospects of joining the transatlantic alliance, while stopping short of actual membership.

    The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has designated Ukraine as an “Enhanced Opportunity Partner,” making it one of six nations (the others being Georgia, Sweden, Finland, Australia and Jordan) rewarded for their significant contributions to NATO operations and alliance objectives.

    While the status of “enhanced opportunity partner” implies a way toward eventual NATO membership, the reality is that there is no discernable path that would bring Ukraine to this objective. The rampant political corruption in the country today is disqualifying under any circumstances, and the dispute with Hungary over Ukraine curbing minority rights represents a death knell in a consensus-driven organization like NATO.

    But the real dealbreaker is the ongoing standoff between Kiev and Moscow over Crimea. There is virtually no scenario that has Russia leaving it voluntarily or by force. The prospects of enabling Ukraine to resolve the conflict by force of arms simply by invoking Article 5 of the UN Charter is not something NATO either seeks or desires.

    Which leaves one wondering at NATO’s true objective in continuing to string Ukraine along. The answer lies in the composition of the six nations that have been granted “enhanced opportunity partner” status. Four of them – Ukraine, Georgia, Sweden and Finland – directly face off against Russia on a broad front stretching from the Arctic to the Black Sea. Jordan’s interests intersect with Moscow’s in Syria. Australia provides NATO with an opening for expanding its reach into the Pacific, an objective recently outlined by NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg.

    By extending the status of “enhanced opportunity partner” to Ukraine and the other five nations, NATO is expanding its military capabilities without taking on the risks associated with expanding its membership; Ukrainian troops can be sacrificed in some far-off land void of any real national security interest to the Ukrainian people, and yet NATO will never mobilize under Article 5 to come to Kiev’s aid on its own soil.

    Meanwhile, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has urged Georgia to prepare to become a member.

    Problem is that Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which are officially recognised by most of the world as part of Georgia, are actually occupied/supported by Russia. Georgia and Ukraine share a common issue in that both have territory occupied/supported by Russia and full membership to NATO would allow Article 5 to be initiated. For all of NATO’s bravado, getting into a full on punch up with Russia is not high on their to-do list.

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yea NY is a mess, but at least the Upper Eastside is fine.

    JC – I doubt it. De Blasio has overseen the obliteration of the small businesses. Maybe they’ll come back, but signs are the best clientelle are gone for good.

    Shutters come down on NYC: Only TEN PERCENT of Manhattan’s two million office workers return to work – pushing hundreds of restaurants, stores and bars that relied on their custom over the edge (Daily Mail megaheadline, 30 Sep)

    Why live in a lefty dump with poor services, massive rents, and a voracious taxing government when you can live in a nice place like Florida with no state income tax and commute by internet?

  64. Makka

    For all of NATO’s bravado, getting into a full on punch up with Russia is not high on their to-do list.

    NATO has lost it’s usefulness decades ago. Since then it’s main function is to suck in and squander money, keeping itself alive like a parasite. Growing, expanding, sticking it’s nose into issues in the east. All to create the impression it is somehow relevant in order to keep that all important money train alive and giving.

    The Russians are right. NATO’s expansionist aims are the cause of so much trouble. It’s like a blood sucking giant leech.

  65. JC

    Bruce

    I’ll tell you why. Because you don’t want to be in Florida in the summer unless you’re within a hundred yards off the beach. Any more and you’d roast. It’s too freaking hot. Imagine FNQ in the summer and tell me you’d live in that humid, sweaty malaria-infested shithole.

    Go!

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    a Sydney University alum?

    I believe she has a degree in Communication from the University of Technology, Sydney.
    One of the first and leading left-wing journalism departments in Australia, thoroughly Gramsci in orientation, stressing political activism.

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – I used to live in FNQ, loved it. Work transferred me to Ncl. I hate the cold.

  68. JC

    JC – I used to live in FNQ, loved it.

    And you loved it so much, you settled permanently down south 🙂

  69. Rex Anger

    Are there any Red states in USA that are mostly cold?

    I think Colorado is pretty blue, but I do not know about New Mexico.

    I would be a little biased in my choice of theoretical move-to state. It must have something like this

  70. JC

    Hiden tried to go after Trump with the Losers Hoax and he was hit in the head with a crowbar. That’s the hoax where Trump was supposed to have called dead troops losers. The little crook tried to somehow wrap his son into the storyline and then sanctimoniously attack Trump personally, in that Trump had called his son a loser.

    Trump, just broke in and nicely explained to Hiden that he didn’t know anything about his dead son, but he needed to explain how coked up Bunter received 3.5 million from the Moscow mayor and other money from other places.

    It was art.

  71. Infidel Tiger

    Are there any Red states in USA that are mostly cold?

    Alaska.

  72. JC

    Are there any Red states in USA that are mostly cold?

    I think Colorado is pretty blue, but I do not know about New Mexico.

    Historically always Red states, but immigration and California no-gooders have wrecked the voting patterns.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – If I could I’d move back there. My parents are in reasonable distance of Ncl and are getting very old. The church I attend is a good one. I have a yard full of friendly native birds, and our local council has helpfully built about 40 km of excellent shared paths in the time since I was transferred here. So I hunker down in winter and turn up the heater and gain about 8 kg which I then ride off in spring when it’s warm enough. I miss the geckos, I miss the excellent weather (apart from cyclones), I even miss the cane toads, sort of.

  74. I see Aden Somyurek has a piece in the Hun today. He says he shares responsibility in what has happened in Victoria. But the main takeaway is that he gives Andrews several kicks in the nuts.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    Surber’s stamping ground in WV looks nice. Well enough away from Washington, big time Trump territory, scenic. Plenty of coal. All that would tend to keep the progressives away. A bit cold though for me.

  76. JC

    Bruce

    Each to his own.

    Crocs, which means no beach swimming
    Terrible humidity like you’re showering 24 hours a day
    Mosquitos and all sorts of freaking bugs
    Threats of all those terrible tropical diseases
    Beer bellies on legs.
    Storms where the water is coming down in gallons per square inch

    Dunno, it just doesn’t do it for me.

  77. RobK

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/international-atomic-energy-agency-chief-it-is-an-undeniable-fact-that-nuclear-energy-is-clean-energy-a-3df90504-e3b5-445f-b874-ed707078d7da

    In an interview, Rafael Grossi, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, discusses the Iran deal, the aspirations of countries like Saudi Arabia to develop nuclear power, and why he believes the controversial energy source is still green.

    DER SPIEGEL: You consider nuclear power plants to be welcome support in the fight against climate change. Are you not playing down the high risks?

    Grossi: I have already discussed this with innumerable German counterparts. It is an undeniable fact that nuclear energy is clean energy, almost free of CO2 emissions. Today’s nuclear power plants save us two gigatons of greenhouse gas emissions per year in global electricity generation.

    DER SPIEGEL: But only if fossil fuels were really the only alternative to nuclear power. And they are not.

    Grossi: I’m not a lobbyist for the nuclear industry, but I cannot look away from the scientific facts. Nuclear power plants play an important role in the energy mix of many countries. As the IAEA, we contribute to ensuring that they are operated in a safe manner.

    DER SPIEGEL: Safe final storage facilities for nuclear waste haven’t been found yet, if they even exist at all.

    Grossi: I see this as a question of societal acceptance, above all. One day, there will be suitable solutions.

    DER SPIEGEL: Was the German decision to phase out nuclear power a mistake?

    Grossi: I would never dare to say that. We work very well together with the German authorities. But what the Germans are doing is unique in the world. I wish them well with it.

  78. JC

    Also Bruce.

    I’m very allergic to nature.

  79. feelthebern

    Seattle property prices 20 years ago were very correlated to Microsoft stock price.
    Over the past 4-5 years, been the best performing city due to the Amazon influence.
    Sell some stock, buy a place.
    If Amazon halved tomorrow, it’ll show up in the next quarters property data.

  80. feelthebern

    I don’t get why people with 100million dollar houses want to live on top of each other.
    Seclusion & privacy is priceless.

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Island hopping on long bridges all down the Florida Keys is very attractive, getting a little more built up these days, culminating at West Head, a fine old historic town of white clapboard mansions. Anywhere in Florida you’d want aircon, and probably wise to get a back-up generator for it. Hairy and I still want to do the drive we had to curtail from across the top of Florida through Alabama to Louisiana. Next year maybe. The panhandle coast is supposed to be pleasant – my cousin in New Orleans area has a weekender there. These Southern areas are less developed than other parts of coastal US.

    Florida Keys reminds me a lot of the Outer Banks of North Carolina. Wild sorts of places with villages.
    I am currently reading a book about the ‘swamp people’ who historically settled these areas: “Where the Crawdads Sing” pblished 2018 – NYT Review – ‘Painfully beautiful … At once a murder mystery, a coming-of-age narrative and a celebration of nature’. It’s something of a fable, OK so far about one third in.

    This month’s Quadrant Magazine has published a review of mine, on ‘Van Gogh’s Ear’, by Bernadette Murphy, something more likely to interest Quadrant readers than the Crawdads one. There’s not a lot of rhyme and reason to my reading apart from the Arthurian stuff; I read anything I allow people to give me. Rarely buy for myself, except for all of Bernard Cornwell’s ‘Last Kingdom’ series and anything Hilary Mantel publishes, oh, and also for lighter historical stuff, Philippa Gregory.

  82. Rex Anger

    Surber’s stamping ground in WV looks nice. Well enough away from Washington, big time Trump territory, scenic. Plenty of coal. All that would tend to keep the progressives away. A bit cold though for me.

    I recognise this place- Cass Scenic Railroad is there. Strasburg Railroad and the Amish country is just a short hop to the NE, ditto theWestern Maryland Scenic RR (with the last working big Mallet in existence). And Maine is a few hours’ drive to the northwest.

    I think I might have found FOB Anger, if the need should ever arise. Thanks Bruce 🙂

  83. Leigh Lowe

    Very strange Cat goings on.
    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Black Ball

    #3603223, posted on October 1, 2020 at 10:51 am

    I see Aden Somyurek has a piece in the Hun today.

    BB, for those without a sub, would you be able to post the juicy bits?

  85. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – A trader I know has recently sold up and decamped from NYC to Puerto Rico. Aussie. If you thought Florida was hot and sticky…

  86. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3603235, posted on October 1, 2020 at 11:03 am
    Very strange Cat goings on.
    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?”

    I had that too LL.

  87. Eyrie

    Idaho looks nice. Burt Rutan retired there. Can go the northern part with lakes and mountains or south to the agricultural area which is at relatively low altitude. Lots of rednecks with guns. I know some people I deal with who moved to a town outside Boise and gave LA the flick.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Why live in a lefty dump with poor services, massive rents, and a voracious taxing government when you can live in a nice place like Florida with no state income tax and commute by internet?

    That is why I think anything within 100 kms of Melbourne (maybe further) will boom.
    Even out in the back blocks where we are (4 hours by car) I am seeing a real estate pick up.
    Hard to discern much from prices (some not disclosed yet) but normally properties might take 3-6 months to sell. Good properties are now having a “sold” sticker on them in days or weeks.
    A small sample, I know …

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3603240, posted on October 1, 2020 at 11:06 am

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3603235, posted on October 1, 2020 at 11:03 am
    Very strange Cat goings on.
    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?”

    I had that too LL.

    Hmmm.
    You and me in some sort of semi moderation.
    I wonder who is behind this?
    😀😀😀

  90. JC

    Bruce

    I’m not suggesting there won’t be any movement out of NYC. Obviously there is. However, you got to understand something. Most New Yorkers are the biggest drama queen panic merchants in the world. Look, it may fall in a heap, but we’ll see.

    Markets work. Real estate prices will fall to the level that will eventually attract people back.

  91. Mother Lode

    Hiden tried to go after Trump with the Losers Hoax and he was hit in the head with a crowbar. That’s the hoax where Trump was supposed to have called dead troops losers.

    Yeah, I was curious about what necessitated the ‘leak’ about Trump disparaging troops. When I saw Biden with his “Clap, you stupid bastards” it all made sense – accuse the other guy blah blah.

    I wondered if it was meant as a joke but as I re-watched it did not look like it. And we know Joe is disposed to outbursts of anger from his dealings with his own supporters when he is out and about meeting the people.

  92. JC

    That is why I think anything within 100 kms of Melbourne (maybe further) will boom.
    Even out in the back blocks where we are (4 hours by car) I am seeing a real estate pick up.
    Hard to discern much from prices (some not disclosed yet) but normally properties might take 3-6 months to sell. Good properties are now having a “sold” sticker on them in days or weeks.
    A small sample, I know …

    Sure, there’s a slight current in that direction. But watch the backwash over the next couple of years. Rural areas are dull and really boring. There’s not much to do and very uninteresting after a few days.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “Hmmm.
    You and me in some sort of semi moderation.
    I wonder who is behind this?
    😀😀😀”

    I don’t think it is anything conspiratorial…I think it is an internet techy thing.

  94. Mother Lode

    “Hmmm.
    You and me in some sort of semi moderation.
    I wonder who is behind this?

    I have heard Chris Wallace has been looking for more moderating work…

  95. Makka

    Idaho looks nice.

    Idaho , Wyoming or Utah would be my pick.

  96. Eyrie

    Rural areas are dull and really boring. There’s not much to do and very uninteresting after a few days.
    What is there to do in cities but eat out, drink in bars and go shopping? Crowded, shitty antheaps. Men and women were not meant to live like that.

  97. JC

    Idaho , Wyoming or Utah would be my pick.

    And Montana. Spent a week on a dude ranch. It was great.

  98. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t think it is anything conspiratorial…I think it is an internet techy thing.

    Well, of course you don’t!
    Wake up sheeple!
    Hmmm.
    Microsoft.
    Could it be?
    I wonder …

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    That is why I think anything within 100 kms of Melbourne (maybe further) will boom.

    There’s this on in the Oz today:

    Buyers scarce so Harry Triguboff looks for tenants (paywalled)

    Multi-billionaire developer Harry Triguboff has been faced with no choice but to tip hundreds of units and thousands of serviced apartments into the NSW and Queensland rental pool in a rising trend.

    As soon as the lockdown is released Melbourne will follow I suspect.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    And Montana. Spent a week on a dude ranch. It was great.

    I hope you had tassels and fringes on your Western shirt.

  101. calli

    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?”

    Same on iPad. Whenever it happens I take it as a cue to go and weed the garden.

  102. Reading the dead tree version Leigh Lowe but it has things in there that has been discussed here.
    “Andrews may be the only hardcore factional apparatchik to have ever become the Premier of a state government in Australia. The fact Victoria has suffered the worst public policy disaster in Australian history, and still no one knows who made the key decision that caused it, will affirm that backroom political operators should not be put in party leadership ever again.”

    In relation to apparatchiks:
    “They operate within informal opaque processes, where scrutiny and transparency is non-existent and where written communication is discouraged. Factional operators are more interested in outcomes than procedural niceties. Andrews cut his teeth in this political milieu.”

    Says that the hotel quarantine measures should have been decided by the Cabinet, but that didn’t happen.
    “In Andrews’ government, everything is centralised and micromanaged, even the most talented ministers lack autonomy and the bureaucracy is cowered by central control.
    Take it from me, nothing happens by ‘creeping assumption’ in this tightly controlled government.”

    There are other things, like Gavan Jennings having a calming influence on Andrews. Fascinating read.

  103. areff

    Trump in fine form on ABC24.

  104. calli

    Wyoming by a country mile. But a bit too cold for me. I’d need to be rugged up like the Michelin Man.

  105. Bloomberg pretty much apologised for them recently because BLM.

    “Not sure how his stop & frisk policies would work these days though”.

  106. areff

    was in fine form. ABC just cut away.

    Now it’s the Dan the Filth show

  107. Leigh Lowe

    As soon as the lockdown is released Melbourne will follow I suspect.

    Yes.
    People have become conditioned to WFH.
    If you can unload your CBD shit-box and buy a magnificent house with a large established garden in a rural town, with several hundred thou in change, why wouldn’t you?
    And the old “gee, it will disrupt the kids education” argument has kind of lost traction too after this year.

  108. Delta A

    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?”

    Same here. I pressed shift and refresh together and Ozblogistan fixed itself.

  109. JC

    Eyrie

    Which is why we have choices in life and MOST people prefer to live in cities. Ask the folks who moved from rural areas to the cities during the Industrial Revolution…. and the mass migration still goes on.

    Cities are fun and its where you can make some money instead of growing turnips.

    Up to 40% of the European population died during the Black death. The cities were a hellhole. In fact, WW2 was not the biggest cataclysm in Europe. The black death/ plague was and still, people continued to move to the cities and have ever since.

  110. feelthebern

    Utah?
    Are you nuts?
    Or a Mormon.

  111. Leigh Lowe

    Same on iPad. Whenever it happens I take it as a cue to go and weed the garden.

    Ha, ha.
    I am trying to finalise our super fund stuff for FY20 but finding distractions everywhere.
    Back to it!

  112. Makka

    Says that the hotel quarantine measures should have been decided by the Cabinet, but that didn’t happen.

    The fact Victoria has suffered the worst public policy disaster in Australian history, and still no one knows who made the key decision that caused it,

    Woeful reporting that results in this rubbish.

    The Emergency Management Victoria is responsible for executing emergency response . It is resourced (or should be!) with whatever the emergency management requires. EMV is legislated to manage the emergency response.

    “Emergency Management Victoria is a statutory entity led by the Emergency Management Commissioner and the Chief Executive.”

    https://www.emv.vic.gov.au/about-us/our-organisation/our-structure

    THAT is who is responsible. Crisp.

  113. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Northern Rivers would be the furthest north I would go in Australia. The unspoiled Dorrigo Plateau for a country retreat area might get you away from the hippies lower down.

    Actually, I’m pretty happy retired where we are. Lots of birdlife, a small orchard developing in the lower garden, harbour views and a genuine five minutes walk to the beach, ten to the ferry from where its 20 mins to the CBD. The ocean just over the hill above and a coastal walk towards Bondi if you want that. Aircon for the occasional day or two in February when it gets humid, otherwise cooled by breezes.

    The little teenage Currawong mum is still sitting on her high nest close up to our terrace, poor little darling still has her fluffy grey baby feathers herself underneath as she lifts her wings against the heat. She has very little shade now as the Jacaranda has lost its last fronds. I’d love to put a palm frond over to shade her but Hairy and Bruce here both say no. Stop worrying about her, says Hairy. As if. I worry constantly. She goes off to exercise swooping across between local trees occasionally, and then down to the larder her swain has made for her somewhere in the orchard, full of tasty bits of lizard and similar stuff he has stored. He visits the nest occasionally just to bring her a treat or cheer her up.

    Attapuss is going demented due to the terrace lockdown because nesting birdie. We’ve moved his scratching pole into the sunroom and he uses it frantically, and I have had to cut his claws down as he’s started scratching at the new Italian sofas. Verboten. Then I found two big scratches on the seat of one of them, and he was in very bad books, until I worked out that it was my Peter Alexander slippers that were doing the damage. They have sharp diamente dog decorations sewn on the top of them and I’ve been drawing my feet up to watch TV unaware of the damage done. Attapuss is off the hook. I feel much better, because I can cope with my own damage; hate to blame him for something he hasn’t done – yet – although I’ve caught him trying out the scratching possibilities on the sofa ends, so he’s not completely exonerated.

  114. Makka

    Utah?
    Are you nuts?
    Or a Mormon.

    Great countryside, awesome skiing.

  115. Makka

    The Federalist’s Sean Davis says sources tell him CIA Director Gina Haspel has been blocking further “Russiagate” declassifications

    Brennan.

  116. Anne

    JC, we all know the Fed is Dead and the QFS (GESARA) is being phased in but I’m hearing susurrations that the markets are going to crash down soon, just for a time and then boom.

    What do you think?

  117. Bruce of Newcastle

    Starlink is up.

    Washington emergency responders first to use SpaceX’s Starlink internet in the field: ‘It’s amazing’ (29 Sep, via Instapundit)

    Musk is wonderfully insane to bet the farm and various parts of his anatomy on such a risk. I hope it does well. Astronomers don’t like it, but they’ll work up software to correct for the issue.

    (Incidentally Elon has started to say nice things about Trump.)

  118. stackja

    Watch LIVE: President Trump Holds Make America Great Again Event in Duluth, MN 9/30/20

  119. stackja

    ***Live Updates*** Trump Holds Minnesota Rally

    All times Eastern.

    9:23 PM: Trump says his opponents want to “erase” the country’s core values while he wants to preserve them.

    Trump continuing to hammer “Sleepy Joe” for not saying “law enforcement.”

  120. a reader

    Netball, GayFL, Hockey, Water Polo, Tennis, Rugby and Touch Football have all just agreed that men can play in the elite women’s competition. WTF?!?

  121. stackja

    a reader
    #3603286, posted on October 1, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Be like 1956 USSR Hungary Water Polo.
    Blood in the Water

  122. Expect a vast downturn in ladies participation in those sports.

  123. feelthebern

    Isn’t Haspel a Trump nominee ?

  124. Sinclair Davidson

    From the Herald Sun:

    Being a minister at the time of the now infamous “creeping assumption” decision to use private security guards in hotel quarantine, I share responsibility for the death of 780 Victorians, the cratering of our once strong economy and the locking down of the entire state.

    Not because I was part of a collective cabinet decision-making process, but because I failed to insist the Premier comply with a proper cabinet process.

    As the only former minister not constrained by party discipline, it is in the public interest that I attempt to shed light on how we got into such a mess, with so much pain and destruction for so many Victorians.

    What is not in evidence before the inquiry is the decision-making processes of the executive and the potential intermediary role played by their staff (particularly the Premier’s staff). Therefore, it is assumed that the executive is captured by the bureaucracy whereas, in reality, the bureaucracy is docile and subservient to the micromanaging and commanding style of the Premier.

    Daniel Andrews and I go back a long way, some 23 years to when we were rivals in opposing warring factional camps in the south east. Andrews was a key operator in one of the most brutal factional operations in the party — the southeastern Socialist Left. He was rewarded for his service with an elevation to assistant state secretary and then to a seat in parliament.

    Andrews may be the only hard-core factional apparatchik to have ever become the Premier of a state government in Australia. The fact that Victoria has suffered the worst public policy disaster in Australian history, and still no one knows who made key decisions that caused the disaster, will affirm that backroom political operators should not be put in party leadership ever again.

    Until hotel quarantine, Andrews had been lucky — he appeared to be pulling it off. There is good reason why factional apparatchik are not premiers.

    They operate within informal, opaque processes, where scrutiny and transparency is non-existent and where written communication is discouraged. Factional operators are more interested in outcomes than procedural niceties. Andrews cut his teeth in this political milieu.

    There is a certain degree of leeway that is afforded to reforming leaders with regard to due process in the belief that the ends justify the means. Therefore, Andrews’ crash-through style was mostly accepted as strong leadership — but those in the know always understood the dangers.

    These learned reflexes were largely kept in check by former leader of the government in the Legislative Council, Gavin Jennings. He was both Andrews’ mentor and protector.

    Jennings believed in the institution of parliament and cabinet government. Jennings understood that due process and collective decision making was there to provide good governance and protection. Andrews on the other hand believed due process was a waste of time and an unnecessary obstruction.

    The retirement of Jennings from parliament in mid-March, removed any constraint left on Andrews. Within weeks, by April 3, Andrews had killed off cabinet government with the introduction of a “Crisis Cabinet.”

    On March 27, he publicly decreed the use of private security guards in hotel quarantine without any cabinet decision at all.

    Given Andrews’ penchant for informal processes, we do not have a definitive answer to the important question of who made the decision to use private security guards — but through deductive reasoning we can come up with a strong probability.

    The fact is the hotel quarantine should have come before cabinet, and then the cabinet decision should have been operationalised by agencies and departments. This never happened. It is custom and practice for government policy decisions, legislation and spending decisions to go to cabinet, where 22 ministers, their staff and departments apply a rigorous level of scrutiny to proposals from ministers so that weaknesses or flaws can be identified.

    A routine cabinet proposal requires among other things objectives, key issues, risks associated with the proposal, consultation, and stakeholder feedback. A minister taking to cabinet a hotel quarantine proposal with compliance managed by private security would have been questioned relentlessly given the industry’s sleazy reputation.

    Ministers and public servants are intrinsically risk-averse, therefore there is very little likelihood that a minister would have taken such a risky proposal to cabinet unless prompted to do so by the leader.

    Furthermore, quarantine is a federal matter, therefore portfolio responsibility falls to the Premier unless he allocates it to another minister. Andrews seems not to have done this before the announcement was made to use private security guards which means the ministerial responsibility buck stops with him.

    Within government, that Andrews made the decision to use private security guards is not a matter of conjecture. Why he chose to make such a risky decision is a matter of much speculation.

    For the first time in his leadership of 10 years, Andrews found himself without the calming guidance of Gavin Jennings. The result is the biggest public policy disaster in Australian history.

    In Andrews’ government, everything is centralised and micromanaged, even the most talented ministers lack autonomy and the bureaucracy is cowered by central control. Take it from me, nothing happens by “creeping assumption” in this tightly controlled government.

  125. a reader

    I want to know why feminists aren’t up in arms about this shit? Surely the sports have effectively just said “Move over sheilas, the boys are taking over.”

  126. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Attapuss has already wrecked the black leather ends of our bed. I have had to put thick black electrical tape over his most obvious area of destruction. He doesn’t like that so leaves it alone. He also doesn’t like being scolded, so that probably helps too.

    He is allowed out into the garden, but rarely goes down the stairs to the orchard area because Ginger and Blackie, the two cats next door (not their real names) gang up on him and he wimps out, running home.

    We planted a cherry tree the other day, near the extant mulberry, and Calli, that fig you recommended is doing really well, although no fruit yet. The lime tree is already fruiting (into a Margarita already!), the pomegranate is charging ahead with growth but no fruits, and a ‘lemon’ already there has decided now that it is a kumquat, producing tiny sour fruits – an ornamental gone wild, planted many years ago but watered and nurtured by us into fruiting at last. Other citrus are over their leaf curl. Two olive trees are flourishing, and the bay laurel is getting ready for an Olympics sometime. The guava ‘tree’ is very bushy, and we will not be doing something I did in my wilder youth – smoking the leaves, because a strong rumour went round Syd Uni in the 60’s that this was a thing for a great hit. It wasn’t.

  127. mh

    I was top of page 4, now bottom of page 3.

    WTF is going on?

  128. dover_beach

    The forces arrayed against Trump right now are incredible.

  129. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And it’s beginning to look like Christmas! The Christmas Bush that nearly died in a pot on the terrace last year, transplanted to a rocky patch of soil to fight with some watermelons and passionfruit vines, has come good and burst into early pinkish buds, to shortly do their stuff turning red for Santa time. It’s not big, but it’s grimly hanging on. We were going to pull it out till we noticed it had decided to live. The tenacity of things neglected in a garden never fails to surprise.

  130. dover_beach

    Being a minister at the time of the now infamous “creeping assumption” decision to use private security guards in hotel quarantine, I share responsibility for the death of 780 Victorians, the cratering of our once strong economy and the locking down of the entire state.

    That article is damning. Andrews will be fuming.

  131. vlad

    Andrews will be fuming.

    He’ll be throwing a pencil down on the map and ordering everyone but the closest three out of the room.

  132. Speedbox

    Who wrote that? Mikakos? I can’t access the article (paywalled).

  133. Boambee John

    Zatara
    #3603073, posted on October 1, 2020 at 8:37 am
    a white supremacy group, the Proud Boys,

    Meet one of the leaders of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, who is Hispanic, not White.

    Or the ‘elder leaders’ of the Proud Boys, who most certainly are not White.

    Now, now zatara, you mustn’t bother the bin chicken with facts that don’t support the ever so important “narrative”.

    Seems that there is a myth here that needs to be busted. Now who is it that posts here about his determination to destroy false myths? Why, none other than the bin chicken, who is busily spreading myths!

  134. mh

    Sorry about the Trump rally link above. ⬆️

    Fox stuffed up with that one.

  135. William the Conjuror

    Plibbers education?

    Dux of Jannali Girls High
    BA in Communications from UTS
    Masters in Public Policy and Politics from Macquarie

    No short course in medical stats from U Honi Soit. Not even an imaginary one.

  136. Bruce of Newcastle

    Been watching the 11:30 am newses. Seven is rubbish. Nine is rubbish. Ten is worse than rubbish. ABC is the back end of a sewage plant. The only decent thing was on SBS NITV, with Ernie Dingo learning to catch a type of sea whiting using razor fish in Ceduna. That was damn fine. The rest was rubbish, and so was the EPG. Not at all surprised at this story I saw today:

    A quarter of US adults now get news from YouTube, Pew Research study finds (29 Sep)

    Around a quarter of U.S. adults, or roughly 26%, say they get news by watching YouTube videos, according to a new study from Pew Research Center, which examined the Google-owned video platform’s growing influence over news distribution in the U.S., as well as its consumption. The study, not surprisingly, found that established news organizations no longer have full control over the news Americans watch, as only one-in-five YouTube consumers (23%) said they “often” get their news from channels affiliated with established news organizations. The exact same percentage said they “often” get their news from independent channels instead.

    It’s sad when the bête noire of the Left, Fox News, is also so lefty that it’s now unwatchable too.

    Fox News Media praises Chris Wallace’s ‘professionalism, skill and fortitude’ in moderating debate (30 Sep, via Instapundit)

    “Professionalism, skill and fortitude” now seem to mean craven obsequious leftyness. Someone turn on OANN please.

  137. Boambee John

    Black Ball

    And an export industry? FMD why wouldn’t we want to keep our best and brightest here instead of flying in students who have no real interest in being here after their courses finish?

    The real problem is that too many come here principally for permanent residence, social security, and family reunion.

  138. mh

    I know there are some rap music fans on this blog. I have a question.

    Does anyone remember the Ice Cube song which had a verse dissing Madonna, saying something about if she did this or that his ‘jimmy’ still wouldn’t get hard. It was during his black supremacist phase after he went solo.

  139. BA in Communications from UTS
    Masters in Public Policy and Politics from Macquarie

    Yeah, trash.

    What a scrub.

  140. Top Ender

    Interesting:

    Jet suit trial for Great North Air Ambulance paramedics:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-54341378

  141. Infidel Tiger King

    First Squawk
    @FirstSquawk

    RESERVE BANK OF NEW ZEALAND SAYS COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING THE SOUNDNESS OF NEW ZEALAND’S FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND SUPPORTING ECONOMIC RECOVERY THROUGH UNANTICIPATED AND UNPRECEDENTED CHALLENGES

    Scary. Sounds like NZ is on the brink of economic collapse.

    Can’t wipe out your only real source of income and survive long.

  142. vlad

    Andrews’ State Solicitor tried to get the curfew case thrown out of court now that the curfew is over. The judge wasn’t buying it and the case continues.

  143. Makka

    Alfred Health was contracted to provide services at the quarantine hotel and it seems they in turn subcontracted Spotless to provide floor managers.

    The Victorian government has promised to provide extra training for Spotless staff.

    More on this;

    The Victorian government hastily stood down private security in the state’s remodelled hotel quarantine program on Wednesday and sent in police to guard people infected with coronavirus after concerns were raised about poor infection control.
    On Wednesday, a Department of Justice and Community Safety spokeswoman confirmed Spotless floor monitors at the Novotel had been removed and replaced with police officers. On Tuesday, quarantined people were moved from the Brady Hotel in Melbourne’s CBD to the Novotel.

    Spotless are doing security. So even after the Govt debacle becoming very public that has resulted in 700+deaths and ruin of the Vic economy, still there is contract security at this quarantine hotel! F.M.D. There is no limit to Andrew’s incompetence.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-step-in-at-quarantine-hotel-as-infection-control-fears-emerge-20200930-p560pi.html

  144. Imagine being so much if a scrub that:

    1. You lament the loss of life of a serial sex offender and home invader (“Our Ricky”) in self defence.

    2. You actually assert that Macq. U is better than Sydney Uni (is this where you got your worthless “law” degree from, scrub)?

    3. You think a communications degree is not only bragworthy, but has real world value.

    4. You pretended you had terminal cancer non ironically because you made so many really bad hot takes on a blog, that not even a stray dog would enjoy your company.

    This somehow proves, that we need the ALP in power forever and a very pissweak but “respectable” conservative movement as a fake opposition.

    Sad!

  145. feelthebern

    Just had a look at my twitter box.
    Wow.
    It’s like everyone is now a soldier in the Donald’s twitter army.
    It’s gone bonkers.
    Funny shit.

  146. feelthebern

    Joe Biden doesn’t do twitter well.
    Low energy.
    Awful.
    F.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311278369296719872?s=20

  147. feelthebern

    I’ve laughed harder at Hannah Gadsby.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOHNUYQxIUc

    Yes I know this clip is fake.
    But it’s the funniest one I could find.

  148. Mark A

    vlad
    #3603346, posted on October 1, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    Andrews’ State Solicitor tried to get the curfew case thrown out of court now that the curfew is over. The judge wasn’t buying it and the case continues.

    Rightly so.
    Imagine the precedent it would create for all sorts of offenses.
    Ie. a thief on trial, ‘I stopped stealing your honour I’d like the case dismissed’ .

  149. Bruce of Newcastle

    Joe Biden doesn’t do twitter well.

    Haha.

    Biden multitasks – tweets during debate

    Impressive how he managed this without ever touching his phone or any other device.

  150. JC

    Annie

    It’s binary. If the orange oaf wins markets will go through the roof. If hiden wins and the market perceives the Demons will enact their policies there will be almighty thud.

    It’s worth buying buying a put and call.

    Like I tell my kid at times, you just worry about looking pretty and stop worrying about the Fed or Illuminati
    bullshit.

  151. Leigh Lowe

    Sedation:-

    4. You pretended you had terminal cancer non ironically because you made so many really bad hot takes on a blog, that not even a stray dog would enjoy your company.

    “Pity trolling” (for the want of a better term) has been a low point of the internet age, not just here, but generally on social media.
    It can simply be a pathetic search for attention and affirmation but, more often than not, it is a pre-cursor to an attempt to chisel cash out of somebody.

  152. dover_beach

    4. You pretended you had terminal cancer non ironically because you made so many really bad hot takes on a blog, that not even a stray dog would enjoy your company.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    From the Oz:-

    Office landlords are stepping up their push to get workers back behind desks, with the $12bn Investa property platform releasing a major study showing that productivity suffers when workers are not together in offices.

    Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they?

  154. feelthebern

    Twitter has Alex Jones energy today.

  155. Zyconoclast

    Just heard an interview of George Chistensen MP.

    During the discussion about Julian Assange he referred to Bradley Manning then by the end of this part of the interview he was referring to Miss Manning.

  156. feelthebern

    The Donald on the Opie & Anthony Show back in 2006.

  157. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    An attorney representing alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse has announced plans to sue Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his campaign for libel on his client’s behalf after Biden shared a video that appears to suggest the teenager is a White supremacist.

  158. johanna

    Makka
    #3603252, posted on October 1, 2020 at 11:16 am

    Idaho looks nice.

    Idaho , Wyoming or Utah would be my pick.

    Wyoming and Utah have awesome scenery (haven’t been to Idaho) but – you had better enjoy shovelling snow, and not just for a couple of weeks of the year, either. Winters too long and cold for me, and I don’t mind cold weather.

    Parts of California (not the big cities) and Texas are great, or New Mexico and Colorado if you like desert landscapes.

    Agree with JC that Fladah is horrible in summer, very hot and humid. Also, Miami is one of the ugliest cities I have ever seen – it used to have some lovely southern and art deco style buildings, but they are almost all gone, replaced by the crap beloved of the property development industry.

    I used to love San Francisco – still adore the houses – but as a place to live it has been ruined by Dimmocrats.

  159. max

    This is Trump in 2015 answering a question about his business dealings. I love the way he answers the question very directly but at the same time schools the questioner and the audience. He plays the game masterfully.

    Question sir, with that record, why should we trust you to run the nation’s business?

    TRUMP: Because I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family, et cetera.

    I have never gone bankrupt, by the way. I have never.

    But out of hundreds of deals…

    WALLACE: No, but the concept sir…

    TRUMP: Excuse me. Excuse me.

    WALLACE: … that’s your line, but your companies have gone bankrupt.

    TRUMP: Excuse me, what am I saying? Out of hundreds of deals that I’ve done, hundreds, on four occasions I’ve taken advantage of the laws of this country, like other people. I’m not going to name their names because I’m not going to embarrass, but virtually every person that you read about on the front page of the business sections, they’ve used the law.

    The difference is, when somebody else uses those laws, nobody writes about it. When I use it, they say, “Trump, Trump, Trump.” The fact is, I built a net worth of more than $10 billion. I have a great, great company. I employ thousands of people. And I’m very proud of the job I did.

    Again Chris, hundreds and hundreds of deals. Four times, I’ve taken advantage of the laws. And frankly, so has everybody else in my position.

    WALLACE: Well sir, let’s just talk about the latest example…

    (APPLAUSE)

    … which is Trump Entertainment Resorts, which went bankrupt in 2009. In that case alone, lenders to your company lost over $1 billion and more than 1,100 people were laid off.

    TRUMP: Well, I…

    WALLACE: Is that the way that you’d run the country?

    TRUMP: Let me just tell you about the lenders. First of all, these lenders aren’t babies. These are total killers. These are not the nice, sweet little people that you think, OK?

    (LAUGHTER)

    (APPLAUSE)

    You know, I mean you’re living in a world of the make-believe, Chris, you want to know the truth.

    (APPLAUSE)

    And I had the good sense to leave Atlantic City, which by the way, Caesars just went bankrupt. Every company, Chris can tell you, every company virtually in Atlantic City went bankrupt.

    (LAUGHTER)

    Every company.

    And let me just tell you. I had the good sense, and I’ve gotten a lot of credit in the financial pages, seven years ago I left Atlantic City before it totally cratered, and I made a lot of money in Atlantic City, and I’m very proud of it. I want to tell you that. Very, very proud of it.

    WALLACE: So…

    TRUMP: And by the way, this country right now owes $19 trillion. And they need somebody like me to straighten out that mess.

    (APPLAUSE)

  160. A lot of small businesses and retail outlets etc are located in areas where office workers worked. With the office workers not returning those businesses won’t survive through no fault of their own. Follow on effect is decreased use of public transport and things like petrol stations not getting their routine customers coming through (less furl tax income and GST).

    If those businesses go under then more on Government benefits, landlords with no tenants etc.

    No problem if it is planned over years but to have it happen suddenly is not ideal.

    Governments and councils and big businesses need to get their workers back to work.

    “Office landlords are stepping up their push to get workers back behind desks, with the $12bn Investa property platform releasing a major study showing that productivity suffers when workers are not together in offices”

  161. Rex Mango

    KURTZ
    Where you from, Willard?

    WILLARD
    I’m from Ohio, sir.

    KURTZ
    Were you born there?

    WILLARD
    Yes, sire.

    KURTZ
    Whereabouts?

    WILLARD
    Toledo, sir.

    KURTZ
    How far are you from the river?

    WILLARD
    The Ohio River, sir? About two
    hundred miles.

    KURTZ
    I went down that river once when I
    was a kid. There’s a place in the
    river, I can’t remember…must
    have been a gardenia plantation,
    or a flower plantation at one time.
    It’s all wild and overgrown now.
    But for about five miles, you’d
    think that heaven just fell on the
    earth, in the form of gardenias.

  162. feelthebern

    What the fuck is wrong with Biden.
    Trump is criss crossing the country & Biden takes a train ride?
    What century is he in?
    Also, I would have thought he’d want to distance himself from Amtrak considering it was another Hunter Biden scam.

  163. Rex Mango

    Re subject of living in cities & where in USA:

    I USED TO WORK AT CHICAGO

    Soloist volunteer for each verse during the previous by raising their hand, and are chosen by a chairman (or the concensus) pointing at them.

    CHORUS:

    I used to work in Chicago , in an old department store

    I used to work in Chicago , but I don’t work there anymore

    SINGER: A woman came in for some velvet

    ALL: Some velvet from the store?

    SINGER: Velvet she wanted, felt she got!

    ALL: Oh, I don’t work there anymore!

    It follows this pattern for all the verses, there are at least a thousand of them.

    A computer she wanted, my wang she got

    A computer she wanted, my hard drive she got

    Some pork she wanted, my white meat she got

    Help she wanted, my AIDS she got

    A translator she wanted, my cunning-linguist she got

    A board she wanted, nailed she got

    A nail she wanted, a screw she got

    Carpet she wanted, shag she got

    A fishing rod she wanted, my pole she got

    Jewelry she wanted, a pearl necklace she got

    Camels she wanted, humped she got

    A KitKat she wanted, four finger she got

    A screen door she wanted, slammed she got

    A screen door she wanted, the back door she got

    Paper she wanted, a ream she got

    A good deal she wanted, fu#ked she got

    A cucumber she wanted, my pickle she got

    A ruler she wanted, 12 inches she got

    A pizza she wanted, a backdoor delivery she got

    A hammer she wanted, nailed she got

    A horse she wanted, donkey punched she got

    An application she wanted, filled out she got

    An oriental monical she wanted, my japs eye she got

    A helicopter she wnated my chopper she got

    you get the idea… make up your own…

  164. Des Deskperson

    ‘Correct me please but wasn’t she from a well off family and is a Sydney University alum?’

    IIRC, the Plibster once told an interviewer that the area she grew up in – somewhere in southern Sydney – was so deprived that hardly anyone could afford a TV, even in the early 70s.

  165. Leigh Lowe

    BrettW, I take your points about the knock-on effects of a drop off in CBD employees now working from home.
    It’s just the “productivity study” done by Investa’s internal research department which I am holding up to the light here.
    They seem to be taking macro level stats on productivity during Kung Flu, and assigning any drop to “work from home”.
    Even if they isolated those specifically working from home and tightly measured their productivity, what about other factors which would be solved if WFH was permanent?
    Specifically, not having to home school kids and having a dedicated workspace instead of a laptop on the kitchen table.

  166. calli

    An attorney representing alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse has announced plans to sue Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his campaign for libel on his client’s behalf after Biden shared a video that appears to suggest the teenager is a White supremacist.

    That Biden tweet has been doctored and truncated. Trump answered “sure” at least twice to the White Supremacist question, along with “I will do anything I have to do” in relation to the anarchy on the streets.

    The ABC also ran this lie, and the undoctored footage under the header – “Donald Trump Asked to Denounce White Supremacist groups, and didn’t“. They clearly didn’t believe their lying ears.

  167. incoherent rambler

    having a dedicated workspace instead of a laptop on the kitchen table

    Yeah but, you can work in your PJs and you only have to shave and shower once a month.

  168. Struth:

    They fear him and wish not to upset him and it is obvious with every question.
    This is socialist control, you know, as all these teachers, academics and other scum have desired.

    One thing in common with Dan, Gillard, and Rudd is that they were bullies who took delight in destroying the people who wouldn’t toe the line.
    Their staff and Journos know the rules and are too cowardly to get on his offside.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Yeah but, you can work in your PJs and you only have to shave and shower once a month.

    I’ve worked with people in CBD offices where this would not make a discernible difference.

  170. The Obama legacy:

    Wrecked health care system.

    Obama attempted to initiate a health care system. There was nothing to “wreck”. The best comment on the US health care situation (it can’t be described as a “system”) is the fact that over 200000 Americans have died from the pandemic.

    Institutional spying on political opponents.

    These are allegations, whereas Trump’s corruption is fact. His failure to release his tax returns are the best confirmation of that.

    The rise of Antifa BLM and racial violence.

    Antifa (whatever that is) has only become an issue since Trump became president. It first became evident as a movement during the February 2017 Berkeley protests against Milo Yiannopoulos. BLM was instituted as a movement in 2012, but has grown exponentially since George Floyd’s murder, which was four years into Trump’s watch.

    The denigration of the police.

    The police have become a target of protests since they started killing African Americans and getting away with it.

    Mayhem in Libya.

    As opposed to mayhem of the part of alt-Right extremists a bit closer to home. Remember El Paso, Poway Synagogue, the Kroger shootings in Kentucky, and the Pittsburgh Synagogue shootings? All these took place on Trump’s watch.

    The funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism.

    There was no funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism on the part of the Obama administration. That was the administration that entered into a non-nuclear proliferation agreement with Iran, which has been torn up by Trump.

    The unchallenged Chinese power grab.

    Apparently Xi’s personal power grab was OK by Trump, however. He praised extending Xi’s tenure ‘for life’ saying –
    “He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great, and look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”

    The throttling of US productive capacity due to high energy costs.

    High energy costs had nothing to do with US productive capacity. It was all about offshoring US jobs, as a consequence of market forces.

    You post bullshit.

  171. feelthebern

    South Park Pandemic special is getting some pretty good reviews.
    Can’t wait for the clips to start filtering through.

  172. feelthebern

    Bwahahaha, no spoilers but there’s some funny clips already out there.

  173. Infidel Tiger King

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    ·
    2h
    Sen.
    @TedCruz
    :
    @ChrisCuomo
    , “there was a time when CNN actually cared about being journalistic and talking about facts. Donald Trump broke you guys. Your entire network now is how much you hate Trump.”

    Wow 🔥🔥🔥

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1311480901335998465

  174. BoN;

    I miss the geckos, I miss the excellent weather (apart from cyclones), I even miss the cane toads, sort of.

    Have you had a professional golfer check out your grip? Sometimes just a small change can achieve wonders in distance and accuracy.

  175. feelthebern

    Jeebers.
    Has anyone read the shit that Robert Byrd wrote?
    & Biden spoke at his funeral.
    Farrrrk.

  176. feelthebern

    From IT’s link.
    Did CNN finally catch the Zodiac killer?

  177. cohenite

    You post bullshit.

    You’d know you lying grub; you are the joe biden of this thread; everything you say is a lie except for the things, which are many, about which you have no idea. FOAD.

  178. Calli:

    Wyoming by a country mile. But a bit too cold for me. I’d need to be rugged up like the Michelin Man.

    Anywhere that is more than a full tank of fuel from a major city, or one weeks hike.
    It’s a sorting mechanism – if someone has the forethought to have bug out fuel, or is fit enough to be prepared to footslog – with family – to Fort Winston, I’m happy to have them aboard.

  179. Speedbox

    Leigh Lowe
    #3603372, posted on October 1, 2020 at 1:08 pm
    From the Oz:- Office landlords are stepping up their push to get workers back behind desks, with the $12bn Investa property platform releasing a major study showing that productivity suffers when workers are not together in offices.

    A month ago I was reading somewhere that there is little/no evidence that productivity has fallen.

    In any event, work from home (WFH) is now part of the employment scene whether Investa like it or not. I expect that the ability to WFH will be used as a ‘hook’ to entice potential employees to join a new employer. The increasing push of “work/life” balance will see WFH remain common even after COVID is just a memory. The usage of Skype, Microsoft Teams and other systems means that face-to-face contact is now routine and those communication systems, coupled with remote access to company servers/data bases, are now part of the business landscape.

    Further, WFH will allow employers to cast their employment net wider. It is (or could be) irrelevant where your employee is actually located depending on the industry and their job role. Same city? Same State? In some rare instances, even the same country? Generally, employees will live within, say, up to 40 kms of their workplace but under WFH provisions, the pool of potential employees would be substantially expanded as the geographic constraint is effectively eliminated.

    The financial incentive will also drive WFH. Any half-smart business facilities manager will have a hard look at their office floor space requirements into the future. Why lease 5,000m2 when 3,000m2 will do? From the employees perspective, no public transport fees (or carparking cost), no transit time and more.

    Of course, it won’t suit everybody, but we can all think of several industries where the requirement for staff to occupy expensive office space is simply unwarranted – especially when there are potential business advantages to WFH.

    As an aside, the management of several businesses I work with have told me they are getting significant ‘push-back’ from their staff about returning to the office workplace. In fact, one business has capitulated and is asking their staff to undertake team discussions on an agreed “Flexibility Framework”. They have issued guidelines to the assorted departmental managers and all WFH requests will be given a sympathetic hearing.

    If this trickle becomes a much larger leakage, the knock-on effect to inner city housing, city retail businesses etc. will be interesting.

  180. Snoopy

    This has to be a pisstake, surely?

    The (taxpayer funded) website The Conversation which prohibits posts questioning ‘the science’ of climate change is alarmed by the censorship of environmental scientists.

    Research reveals shocking detail on how Australia’s environmental scientists are being silenced

    Silenced? The xunts never shut up.

  181. feelthebern

    LOL, Adani needs more elections.
    It’s the only time Annastacia Palaszczuk does anything.

  182. Cassie of Sydney

    “You post bullshit.”

    So writes the ultimate bullshitter….a bullshitter who has a lot in common with Richard Spencer.

  183. Rex Anger

    Obama attempted to initiate a health care system. There was nothing to “wreck”. The best comment on the US health care situation (it can’t be described as a “system”) is the fact that over 200000 Americans have died from the pandemic.

    Apples and Oranges, bugman. Troll harder.

    These [latest attacks on Trump] are allegations, whereas Obama’s corruption is fact. His failure to release his tax returns are the best confirmation of that.
    Fixed your latest S0r0s taking point/eructation for you. Troll harder.

    Antifa (whatever that is) has only become an issue since Trump became president. It first became evident as a movement during the February 2017 Berkeley protests against Milo Yiannopoulos. BLM was instituted as a movement in 2012, but has grown exponentially since George Floyd’s murder, which was four years into Trump’s watch.

    Wrong again, Jack Hunt. Antifa is a Communist street gang that has been present in Europe since 1932. Your fellow travellers and their KGB paymaster used them as their paid street thugs of choice throughout the Cold War. The paymasters may be 1%er NGOs now, but the ideology is unchanged. Burn, Loot, Murder is yet another Marxist group formed and funded using foreign money. And they came about in our beloved Obama’s time. For the punishment of all Americans for the capital crime of being American.. All reasons you can never bring yoursef ti deplore them, you Communist mong. Troll harder.

    The police have become a target of protests since they started killing African Americans and getting away with it.

    Wrong, Jack Hunt. Your beloved Obama chose to race-bait and short-circuit the justice rocess in multiple incidents, effectively all of which vindicated the alleged wrongdoers. And black America suffered. Troll harder, you racist bugman.

    As opposed to mayhem of the part of alt-Right extremists a bit closer to home. Remember El Paso, Poway Synagogue, the Kroger shootings in Kentucky, and the Pittsburgh Synagogue shootings? All these took place on Trump’s watch.

    Conflation with unrelated leftwing domesic terrorism, to again punish ericans for thebsin of being American. Middle East now more peaceful (if ever) than it has been, Jack Hunt. Troll harder.

    There was no funding of Iranian sponsored terrorism on the part of the Obama administration. That was the administration that entered into a non-nuclear proliferation agreement with Iran, which has been torn up by Trump.

    What about the pallets of cash, bugman? Or were those justifiable reparations for not being nice to the mulahs post-1979? Troll harder.

    Apparently Xi’s personal power grab was OK by Trump, however. He praised extending Xi’s tenure ‘for life’ saying –
    “He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great, and look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”

    You have been following other peoples’ scripts your entire life, Jack Hunt. Even before you pretended to be a brave yet reluctant non-consenting conscript. On what grounds, then, do you feel you can criticise a temporary script used by someone you don’t like in the service of a greater scheme? Troll Harder.

    High energy costs had nothing to do with US productive capacity. It was all about offshoring US jobs, as a consequence of market forces.

    Wrong Presidents, fucko. Bubba Clinton and Dubya wear the desolation of NAFTA. Obama extended their legacy, then exacerbated by letting the Deep Green fanatics in the EPA and Dept of Energy run uck. But you know this, bugman. Because you are desperately shilling and running interference for them. Troll harder.

    You post bullshit.

    Yes you do, Jack Hunt. Now spack off if you are not going to Troll Harder.

  184. vlad

    And I would say that if you’re building a new house, the home office is a must. Probably his and her home offices for those who can afford it. Having only one home office will be like having only one toilet.

  185. 1735099

    How odd then…

    Perhaps you should go back and read the Guardian piece you quoted.
    It describes the Trump era as a “nightmare”.

  186. Mitch M.

    Sport and memory go hand in hand

    Getting high on sport?

    Through the action of endocanabinoids[sic], molecules known to increase synaptic plasticity. This study, to be read in the journal Scientific Reports, highlights the virtues of sport for both health and education. School programmes and strategies aimed at reducing the effects of neurodegeneration on memory could indeed benefit from it.

    The editor of SciDaily needs to go for a run, endocannabinoids incorrectly spelt.

    I’m doubtful about this explanation. I sent it to some friends and generated 4 other possibilities.

  187. vlad

    I hope that others with the requisite expertise will rip this article to shreds in a way that I’m unqualified to do.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/01/thank-you-victoria-australia-as-a-whole-is-healthier-and-wealthier-because-of-you

    But one line leaps out at me.

    And as the well-known lefties at consulting agency McKinsey concluded: “Ending lockdowns alone won’t restore confidence or growth. Only when the novel coronavirus is under control will economic growth resume.”

    The well-known lefties at McKinsey – that’s a leftist’s attempt at irony. And I don’t know a lot about McKinsey but I doubt that if they were not left-wing statists anyone from the Australia Institute would be quoting them in The Guardian with approval at all.

    I’m guessing they’re Turnbull types. You know, not left wing at all. Er, yeah.

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I see above that Grigs can’t help himself. Still conjuring his old ‘fantasist’ stuff. A solid year of very full time epidemiology and medical statistics followed by a year then completing an original piece of epidemiological statistical research, all done within the Faculty of Medicine at SU is still being huffed off as Honi Soit.

    What I still get out of it Grigsy, apart from a certain scepticism re bad epidemiological methods and modelling, is a very fine fashion garment: the right to wear a rather nice academic gown and hood in the Med Faculty colors of scarlet and purple. Beats my SU u/grad get up of white rabbit fur trim. Not fake fur either. Wonder if it is fake for the current lot of Extinction Rebellion graduates.

  189. Speedbox

    Leigh Lowe
    #3603404, posted on October 1, 2020 at 1:59 pm
    It’s just the “productivity study” done by Investa’s internal research department which I am holding up to the light here. ……..having a dedicated workspace instead of a laptop on the kitchen table.

    It’s an interesting subject LL. Your original remark that Investa’s comment was predictable, is spot on.

    There will have to be a number of changes to accommodate WFH. Consider Workers Comp. Are you covered at home? Is your workstation acceptable from a OH&S perspective? The Risk Analysis guys will be going nuts.

    Lots to be resolved, but I think the cat is out of the bag and the feedback I’m getting is that a significant number don’t want to try and put it back.

  190. johanna

    Des Deskperson
    #3603402, posted on October 1, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    ‘Correct me please but wasn’t she from a well off family and is a Sydney University alum?’

    IIRC, the Plibster once told an interviewer that the area she grew up in – somewhere in southern Sydney – was so deprived that hardly anyone could afford a TV, even in the early 70s.

    If she said that, what a liar she is.

    I grew up in the Shire at about the same time, and while Jannali was one of the poorer suburbs, it was hardly Struggletown. It was then lower middle class/working class, but by the early 70s pretty much everyone in Sydney had a TV, and certainly very few (if any) households in Jannali didn’t.

    What is it with these Labor politicians (see K. Rudd) who make stuff up about their deprived childhoods?

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Silken satin shiny crimson and purple too, Grigs. Nothing dull and boring about that.

  192. feelthebern

    Cuomo no denying he ordering COVID19 patients into aged care homes.
    He must hang.

  193. Delta A et al:

    On an MS device I am getting “Ozbligistan is broken” but the apple device is working fine?”

    Same here. I pressed shift and refresh together and Ozblogistan fixed itself.

    I sent a ms in at 0012 last night and the site momentarily flashed several warning screens and came up with posts post 2400 deleted.
    The gravatars went to a large square with a very small piccy (not a gravatar piccie – just the wordpress one.)
    The site then refused to load anything after 2400.
    It was still mucking up when I went to bed at 0130.

  194. vlad

    What is it with these Labor politicians (see K. Rudd) who make stuff up about their deprived childhoods?

    That question answers itself. The answer is A-L-P.

  195. Dr Faustus

    What is not in evidence before the inquiry is the decision-making processes of the executive and the potential intermediary role played by their staff (particularly the Premier’s staff).

    Not strictly true.

    In his summing up on the final sitting day, Counsel Assisting, Mr Neale, urged Justice Coate:

    The findings we invite are as follows: there were significant issues which should have been brought to the respective Ministers’ attention; the departmental Secretaries were obliged to ensure that they discharged those obligations; for responsible Government to work, it is 45 imperative that Secretaries remain accountable to their Ministers. That accountability starts with discharging fundamental obligations to keep their Ministers informed.

    Creeping decision-making accepted as a working hypothesis; senior bureaucrats criticised for treating hotel quarantine as a logistics rather than a health issue; and negligent discharge of their duties.

  196. Arky

    US companies power medical research and innovations that save millions of lives every year.
    If only the humourless troll can live to see his dream of America broken and socialist, he might yet get to see a more sustainable human population. i.e: a mostly dead one.

  197. Makka

    AFR-

    Washington | Donald Trump has triggered rarely-used emergency government powers to allow direct state investments in critical minerals projects on Australian soil as part of a global push to eliminate American industry’s reliance on Chinese suppliers.

  198. Arky

    Check it out:
    https://www.americanactionforum.org/weekly-checkup/new-drug-patents-country/
    The USA free market system (what is left of it) is a powerhouse of innovation.
    You don’t get new treatments out of socialism.
    All those wonderful socialist countries with their government doctors and nurses are piggy backing off the most amazing system ever devised: Capitalism.

  199. Arky

    It describes the Trump era as a “nightmare”.

    ..
    You’re a nightmare.
    And not one of those interesting ones where I’m on the bus without pants.

  200. Arky

    Only by defining “success” as what a system consumes, rather that what it produces, can humourless dimwits hope for the failure of the USA.

  201. johanna

    On the working from home thing, I think the pudding is being over-egged here.

    Firstly, it underestimates the enjoyment that a lot of people get from the social aspects of their workplace. In particular, extroverted people absolutely pine when cut off from social contact, and the workplace is often a major source of it. I’m not saying this applies to everyone, but I do say that it applies to a major slice of the population. ‘Virtual’ contact is just not the same.

    Secondly, while it is possible to do highly segmented tasks in isolation, many jobs are not like that. They require constant teamwork, and using Skype or Zoom or whatever is simply not the same as popping into someone’s office or cubicle and talking something over with all the relevant materials at hand. Being able to do this at a moment’s notice is far more efficient and effective than fiddling around with computer screens.

    Thirdly, not everyone is a self starter (looks at shoes – OK, socks). Some people need a bit of external stimulus and discipline to perform at their best. I don’t mean intimidation, just a bit of peer group pressure, an environment where everybody is (theoretically) working, and a boss who pops in now and then without notice to see how things are going.

    I admit to performing much better in a structured work environment, and doubt that I am Robinsona Crusoe in that regard. 🙂

    We have been hearing about teleworking for many years now, and it never took off on a big scale for good reasons, IMHO. There may well be more of it in the future, but I don’t think that the empty workplace is going to dominate any time soon once things get back to normal.

  202. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It describes the Trump era as a “nightmare”.

    a nightmare for socialism and cutural marxism, a step in the right direction for the rest of us

  203. Des Deskperson

    Johanna, here’s the quote, from a 2012 interview by Anne Summers with the Pilbster:

    “The roads were unpaved. Kids played in creeks, catching tadpoles and riding their bikes,” Plibersek recalls. “Few families had TV sets or cars until much later. Mum washed by hand, with a scrubbing board.

    Plibster was born in 1969, so her recollections must be supposed to be from the mid seventies. A mum still washing by hand with a scrubbing board anywhere in urban Australia around that time seems far-fetched, and I’m aware from a survey taken in 1960 that 70% of households in working class West Heidelberg – my home suburb – had TVs then.

    In fact the whole thing about the creeks and the taddies and the bikes sounds like some poorly confected generic ‘Aussie childhood’ cliche.

  204. Speedbox

    johanna
    #3603457, posted on October 1, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    I don’t think that the empty workplace is going to dominate any time soon…..

    I agree – I don’t think it will dominate either. But I think it will be a recognisable and constant feature of future employment. There will be variations as some much prefer with office environment whilst others couldn’t care less. These will be others who will work a kind of micro ‘FIFO’ – work 2 days in the office, 3 days at home.

    Time will tell.

  205. Tim Neilson

    johanna
    #3603457, posted on October 1, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    A friend of mine is a world class medical scientist. His view is that one reason Melbourne has a very successful medical science community is that the Royal Melbourne Hospital, Melbourne Uni medical school, the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute and the Royal Women’s Hospital are virtually next door to each other and the Royal Children’s Hospital and the Royal Dental Hospital are within easy walking distance. He says that it’s commonplace for people to just run into other researchers who they wouldn’t otherwise see, chat briefly, and get useful ideas for their work.
    WFH just wouldn’t lead to that kind of thing.

  206. Boambee John

    Institutional spying on political opponents.

    These are allegations,

    The bin chicken doesn’t really keep up with the news (or, at least, any news that might challenge the fascist left “narrative)”.

    Not sad, pathetic!

  207. vlad

    I don’t believe that families without a washing machine would have bought their children bicycles.

  208. Leo G

    Perhaps you should go back and read the Guardian piece you quoted.
    It describes the Trump era as a “nightmare”.

    Your obsessive fear of the Trump legacy was not the issue.

  209. feelthebern

    The roads were unpaved

    Sounds very American.
    We’d say “dirt roads” or maybe even “un-tarred”.
    Paved roads?
    Clearly looking to cater for a US institution googling her & her back story.

  210. What’s with the B/W photo of Biden up top, and the two vertical lines running through it? Is it some sort of artifact?
    I’ve not seen it before, and it curiously enough goes through the pupil of his right eye.
    I’ll try to link it…

  211. lotocoti

    The best comment on the US health care situation (it can’t be described as a “system”) is the fact that over 200000 Americans have died from the pandemic.

    For those playing at home:
    UK total cases-453,264……deaths-42,143
    USA total cases-7,447,282…deaths-211,740
    Thank goodness for the NHS. /sarc

  212. Bruce of Newcastle

    In particular, extroverted people absolutely pine when cut off from social contact, and the workplace is often a major source of it.

    Johanna – Which I think is why introverted people are much more productive working from home… 😀

    That’s the biggest finding out of all of this – that people can be trusted working from home and they can often be more productive doing so. Fewer extroverted health & safety Karens and gossipers disrupting them.

  213. Des Deskperson

    I was involved in negotiating the first APS home-based work award in 1993. This award has long been superseded by agency EAs, but some of the principles it incorporated are still of interest:

    Home base work is not a right. Proposals are to be consider on an individual basis, acknowledging that not all jobs are suitable to or compatible with home-based work, and not all individuals are suited to work from home.

    the employer’s duty of care in the workplace applies to home based work. the employer is responsible for the provision of appropriate resources to support an effective and safe home office

    home based work is not a substitute for child care

    the home based employee is expected to spend at least one day a week in the office to maintain working contacts.

    These have been watered down a bit in EAs – the one day in the office seems to have gone, presumably in the basis that communication technology has improved. In those days, the main argument against home based work – fair or not – was the expense and trouble the second point above involved.

  214. Johanna:

    IIRC, the Plibster once told an interviewer that the area she grew up in – somewhere in southern Sydney – was so deprived that hardly anyone could afford a TV, even in the early 70s.

    Where I grew up, we were so poor we couldn’t afford to steal a TV.
    tish boom.

  215. johanna

    Actually, Bruce, I am pretty introverted – but that is not the same as being self motivated. Basically I am lazy, which is a boon in a structured environment because I am very good at finding ways of working smarter, not harder. 🙂

    Oh, and re Plibersek’s lies – yes indeed, bikes for kids were a luxury in those days, but washing machines and TVs were not. We had tadpoles in the creek and a dirt road as well, but we also had washing machines, TVs and usually one car per household.

    My mother used a washboard and a copper when we first came to Australia, but that was in the late 1950s and we were dirt poor immigrants.

    She’s just making stuff up.

  216. Des Deskperson

    ‘I don’t believe that families without a washing machine would have bought their children bicycles.’

    A person with a bit more originality, intelligence and imagination than Pilaster would have added the qualifiers ‘old’ or ‘second hand’ .

  217. Snoopy

    Few families had colour TV sets or two cars until much later. Mum washed my smalls by hand, with a scrubbing board.

    Fixed

  218. Des Deskperson

    or ‘rickety’

  219. Rex Mango

    Working from home is a rort. Have worked from work the whole way through this pandemic and am reguarly moving about the office doing the leg work of a work from homer who is busy generating emails. Also plenty of people send emails to multiple addressees late at night to advertise their commitment.

  220. Infidel Tiger King

    𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐒𝐜𝐡𝐧𝐞𝐞
    @brian_schnee
    “I will go out and say that the #ProudBoys as a whole, I will say this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy.” – Thad, Chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake Utah Chapter

    https://twitter.com/brian_schnee/status/1311488168026284032

    Weird looking white supremacist.

  221. jo

    Arky
    #3603455, posted on October 1, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    It describes the Trump era as a “nightmare”.

    ..
    You’re a nightmare.
    And not one of those interesting ones where I’m on the bus without pants.

    Arky that wasn’t a nightmare on the bus. I have real weird dreams but none involve being somewhere without my pants. Hopefully if I didn’t have my pants I wouldn’t be on a bus. Think you might be starting to channel Mal Fraser.

  222. Speedbox

    According to Wiki, Plibersek grew up in Oyster Bay. According to Google, Oyster Bay is about 26 kms south of the Sydney CBD.

    Her father was a plumber and gas fitter with Qantas and although the job may have been classified as ‘working class’, the lack of local bitumen roads or commonly available home conveniences such as TV sets or washing machines seems very unusual for the mid 70’s.

    I think we can comfortably call BS on her description.

  223. incoherent rambler

    Consider Workers Comp. Are you covered at home?

    Public Liability?

    The kid next store tripped over the power cord on the work laptop and is suing for billions.

  224. Makka

    My mother used a washboard and a copper when we first came to Australia, but that was in the late 1950s

    I remember the same late 50’s. But by the time the Beatles came to Aussie in ’64, b&w tv’s were everywhere, ditto the old wringer washing machine.

  225. Rex Mango

    Re Plibbers growing sans tele, my Dad had neighbors in 1950’s Brisbane who sold their oven to buy a television.

  226. Snoopy

    Zippy, nice set of legs behind Ted.

  227. Mitch M.

    That’s the biggest finding out of all of this – that people can be trusted working from home and they can often be more productive doing so. Fewer extroverted health & safety Karens and gossipers disrupting them.

    An advantage for introverts is that they can resent constant oversight and distracting social interaction. There is an old idea that introverts have less inhibition of sensory input. Schizophrenics and autists seem to have reduced GABA activity and GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter. In autism circles it has been argued that their anger management issues can arise from sensory overload, which also accords with their propensity to avoid specific sensations and they can develop phobias as a result; misophonia being prominent. I’ve never had misphonia but noisy environments have always been a pain for me. Not phonophobia but I will typically withdraw from the situation.

    It might be interesting to see if those preferring WFH have experienced what they consider too much oversight and distraction in the workplace.

  228. Now that I think of it, that photo is a still from a very short video, and it moves from Bidens left to in front of him. From memory, the line follows his right eye as the perspective changes.
    This what made me think about it.
    Can’t remember who posted the clip above so unable to give credit…

  229. Leigh Lowe

    Speedbox and others re WFH.
    I think the productivity question is a difficult one. I reckon some people will absolutely thrive and others not so much. Once you take home schooling out and set up a dedicated workspace I reckon it would be a net plus.
    I sure as shit am not taking the word of a large CBD landlord on this one.
    Yep, there will be complicators. An annual HSE visit to ensure the ergonomics etc are tickety-boo. Plus security.
    But imagine this.
    A company sheds 2/3 of it’s office space at maybe $350-$400 per sq mtr per annum, plus outgoings, utilities, bickies, toilet paper, nicked stationery etc etc.
    Plenty of headroom to sling employees an allowance for power and light and a desk and chair.

  230. Leigh Lowe

    Work from home.
    Imagine a future without any more “Diversity and Inclusion falafel afternoon teas”.
    Heaven.

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