The most telling moment of the debate

At least it was for me.

What amazes me, and has amazed me for quite some time, is that no level of corruption, no amount of lying, will get anyone of the left on the wrong side of virtually the entire media. And this was particularly true about the “neutral” “moderator” who did everything he could to stop the question and protect Biden. This business with Hunter Biden and Burisma has for some reason been used as the basis of criticism of The President. But at least there is still this: ‘China ate your lunch, Joe’: Trump rips Hunter Biden, alleged $3.5M payout from Moscow.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Tuesday repeatedly denied at the first presidential debate that his son Hunter Biden got $3.5 million from the wife of Moscow’s former mayor.

Biden, the former vice president, broadly defended Hunter’s controversial business relationships in China, Russia and Ukraine — while specifically denying the large alleged payment, first disclosed last week.

“China ate your lunch, Joe, and no wonder — your son goes in and he takes out, he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars,” Trump said, referring to a business deal reached after Hunter flew to China in 2013 aboard Air Force Two.

“Simply not true,” Biden said.

“And also while we’re at it: Why is it, just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow, his wife, gave your son $3.5 million?” Trump said, referring to a bombshell allegation in a 87-page report from the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Elena Baturina, the richest woman in Russia and the widow of Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, allegedly made the transfer in 2014.

“What did he do to deserve it?” Trump pressed Biden. “What did he do with Burisma to deserve $183,000?” he added, referring to the Ukraine energy firm that employed Biden’s son while he led the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy.

And if th3 $3.5m isn’t enough of an issue, there is always this that might be worth a look:

As for the debate in general, the moderator never allowed the President to press his points with the above just an example of a general rule. At no stage was Trump allowed to directly engage in a probing conversation with Biden. Nevertheless, it will be those moments that may yet have saved the day for Trump since he did in the end press enough from Biden that may yet convince enough voters to vote Republican in sufficient numbers to exceed the level of electoral fraud that the Democrats are depending on.

Those people who believe Trump should have been more polite are merely wishing for the return of Mitt Romney.

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52 Responses to The most telling moment of the debate

  1. MPH

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-licensing

    There is no crime that can’t be compensated for by fighting Literally Hitler (TM).

  2. Fang

    Trump 2020 by 100 million+ votes!😁

  3. Scott Osmond

    Those who want Trump to tone it down forget one thing. His supporters don’t care. They have seen polite republicans treated like shit and called literally Hitler, racists and rape apologists if not outright rapists for decades and they are done being polite. They support Trump because he fights. He might be a bombastic son of a bitch but he’s their bombastic son of a bitch.

  4. classical_hero

    Don’t forget about the recent raids of Ukrainian firms with dodgy real estate deals. We’re going to see just how bad the corruption was and President Trump hasn’t fired a shot yet. No wonder why the question was shot down.

  5. The most telling moment of the debate was, when asked to condemn the Proud Boys, Trump refused to do so and instead told them to “stand back and stand by”. Which the Proud Boys are now crowing about as validation of white supremacy. No doubt they will be standing by to be deployed at polling stations to intimidate voters.

  6. Crossie

    At no stage was Trump allowed to directly engage in a probing conversation with Biden.

    This is the third debate I have seen with Biden in it. The first one was against Sarah Palin in 2008 and it was mostly agreed that she won, perhaps because he didn’t feel comfortable treating a woman with contempt. Sarah dealt with his exaggerations by a very good quip “Say it isn’t so, Joe” which was very funny.

    He seemed not to have any such qualms against Paul Ryan in 2012 when he seemed to have gone off the deep end laughing and carrying on at inappropriate moment that left Ryan mouth agape like a stunned mullet.

    That Trump tried not to let him get away with it was not to be allowed by the “moderator” who was no such thing but Biden’s wing man and Trump’s second opponent in the debate. I thought it would be bad but I didn’t expect it to degenerate into the farce it became. Watch Trump get even with Wallace as he did with Meghan Kelly in 2016. I am sick of one side being forced to be polite while the other side is given free rein and Biden was given licence to lie and insult but OrangeManBad.

  7. Old School Conservative

    m0nty
    #3602937, posted on October 1, 2020 at 12:15 am
    No doubt they will be standing by to be deployed at polling stations to intimidate voters.

    Everything the left complains about they have already done themselves.
    To wit, the 2008 New Black Panther intimidation of voters in Philadelphia.

  8. Scott Osmond

    Remind me, who was the dem candidate for president again? Was it Biden or that other guy that was arguing with Trump?

  9. Ozman

    Watched Al Jazeera and was surprised to see their one-eyed lefty commentators reeling after the debate. Evidently, what the little league Left and Biden were trying to keep covered up (that the python hates to admit) is their man is a corrupt conman who has been stooging the USA public for 47 years and, even if he knows how to play cards with a stacked deck (python on the back), he has always been 2 bob short of quid. For example, not a smart trick to tell a black man, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you are for me or Trump, you ain’t black!

    Trump bringing up the $3 million given to Hunter Biden by the mayor of Moscow, that he had been dishonorably discharged from the military, that he had been given billions to manage from China, etc, etc, etc. had his corrupt old man on the defensive, attempting to be evasive, and trying to discredit what was being said, before seeking pity for his son having a drug habit.

    Trump hit Biden so hard that his deep state cohorts felt it themselves right between the legs.

  10. bobby b

    I was sitting in Minneapolis this morning looking out over several blocks of burned-out ruins and barricaded intersections and closed businesses and general devastation, and I remembered how Wallace pressed Trump to disclaim violence. Trump! WTF!

    All of the violence and riot and ruin in the USA comes from the left, and this morning our media says “Trump refuses to condemn right wing violence”!

    Lying pricks.

  11. Mark M

    Telling moment #2:
    Trump got Biden to say he was against the Green New Deal, which his running mate Kamala Harris co-sponsored.

  12. herodotus

    Wallace is the Speers of Fox News. He might as well go over to CNN.

  13. iggie

    This is the most telling part of the video above which says it all – Biden getting the Ukrainian Chief Prosecutor sacked as the CP was about to investigate the energy company that Biden’s son was working for.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L09X8LTwHIc

    Why this is not all over the news is astounding. Biden did exactly what Trump was being impeached for.

  14. Up The Workers!

    On the box of idiots this morning in Mogadishu-By-The-Yarra, all the T.D.S.-afflicted Leftard toadies, brown-noses and propagandists are laughing at the suggestion that President Trump could possibly consider himself the victor against his two opponents in yesterday’s litany of Dementiacrat lies.

    I think that in line with the U.S. electorate, I will wait till 3rd November before making my Judgement.

  15. Gilas

    It was fantastic seeing Trump attacking the demented DemRat while attempting to ignore Wallass.

    How can one deal with an uninterrupted stream of unhinged lies without interrupting and trying to get a word in, especially with a hostile moderator?

    Trump already knew that Wallace was a partisan hack, following that 1-on-1 interview in the WH last July. He also admitted to this during the debate.

    So why did he, or his campaign managers, agree to this smarmy cretin moderating??

    Playing the evil [email protected]ers on their playground is not, and has never been, a smart move.

  16. Boambee John

    No doubt they will be standing by to be deployed at polling stations to intimidate voters.

    Just like the New Black Panthers in Obama’s time, hey m0nty?

    Whatever the fascist left accuse their opponents of, they have done before and will continue to do themselves.

  17. Mother Lode

    I wonder how much of what said to Biden was only being heard by the American public for the first time.

    I had not heard about the money from the Muscovite mayor’s wife.

    And I wonder how many people will take ‘discredited by the press’ to have any probative value. People who were going to vote Biden anyway will treat it as refuge – somewhere they can hide so they don’t have to think about it. Trump supporters are already suspicious of the press, and this would merely confirm their opinion of Biden and the MSM.

  18. Bob

    The most telling moment of the debate was, when asked to condemn the Proud Boys, Trump refused to do so and instead told them to “stand back and stand by”. Which the Proud Boys are now crowing about as validation of white supremacy. No doubt they will be standing by to be deployed at polling stations to intimidate voters.

    Strange to imply that the Proud Boys are white supremacists. Rather interesting to have a multiracial organisation that is headed by a hispanic man and has numerous black and other ethnicities among its ranks a white supremacist organisation. Surely a white supremacist would refuse to be led by one of the “lesser races”. That said the lefties always project.

  19. Mother Lode

    Just like the New Black Panthers in Obama’s time, hey m0nty?

    Whatever the fascist left accuse their opponents of, they have done before and will continue to do themselves.

    Strategy that has worked remarkably well for a surprisingly long time – a tangle of claims and counter-claims, then let the press ‘report’.

    And we are here seeing one of the other strings to the bow – Civility!

    Democrat ‘civility’ is the sort you find with used car or insurance salesmen – they present they cultivate a conservative mien, speak softly, feign a profound solicitousness for the benefit of their target, playing on their naivete and their disinclination to see bad in others, to lure the target to what they want.

    But the civility they demand from others is the one that avoids saying anything unpleasant and even when feeling most strongly about something expresses itself in mildest terms. Like talking with an aged aunt.

    Trump has blown this strategy out of the water. He is blunt, brazen, and willing to fight.

    Democrats have not had to face up to this for a long time and they are long out of practice.

  20. Professor Fred Lenin

    You only have to look at the decromat crooks ,not one coukd say they were honest.
    Where did the Clintons get their millions? They were broke when they leftvthe White House.
    Where did Obama get the millions to buy the mansion ?
    How did Pelosi become a multi millionaire ?
    The Bidens are classic corrupt ,Joes millions ,? his wifes millions ? ,HunterssUkraine,Russia,China millions ? Joes Brothers ?? millions ? Plus many more imcluding the Kennedys Bootleg millions .
    And they jailedAl Capone for tax evasion !
    Maybe there is corruption amongst US politicians ,do you think.?
    There is a lot of corruption in Russia buddy ,yeah right comrade .

  21. Peter

    This was the heavyweight fight, Trump was the star, and Trump was the show. Trump dominated. Joe Biden looked exhausted from the start, and was only able to make it through because he was protected by the moderator.

  22. Snoopy

    No doubt they will be standing by to be deployed at polling stations to intimidate voters.

    Monty, you seem to be confusing the Proud Boys with the Black Panthers.

  23. Aynsley Kellow

    Monty, he has just declared the KKK a terrorist group. Does that not count for more than parsing a response to Biden’s suggestion of a name?

  24. Another Ian

    “Chris Wallace’s Back Must Be Sore”

    “If anyone finds an accurate count of how many times Chris Wallace rescued Joe Biden, please post it in the comments.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/09/30/chris-wallaces-back-must-be-sore/

    Also

    “Here you go.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/telemundo-poll-66-percent-of-spanish-speaking-viewers-believe-trump-defeated-biden-in-presidential-debate/

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/09/30/huh/#comment-1359896

    And the next comment there

  25. vr

    Trump already knew that Wallace was a partisan hack, following that 1-on-1 interview in the WH last July. He also admitted to this during the debate.

    So why did he, or his campaign managers, agree to this smarmy cretin moderating??

    Yes. They should’ve insisted on Bret Baier.

  26. Ellen of Tasmania

    Those people who believe Trump should have been more polite are merely wishing for the return of Mitt Romney.

    Rubbish. That’s an either/or fallacy. If you can’t imagine a hard-hitting-but-still-civil debate you are becoming part of the problem.

    In the past people would crowd into cold halls to hear political opponents argue their perspectives for hours at a time. Both the pollies and the people were far more educated and informed about the various political schools.

    Three adults squabbling like children and vying for ‘gotchas’ just about sums up where our western world is. If the leaders act like that then we can’t be surprised when the plebs behave as they currently are. We’re heading for chaos, fast and furiously.

  27. Rob MW

    Probably the most impressive socialist pork barrel of the night came from Biden when he promised to fix a massive climate problem that the Democrats themselves created when he said that that he going to “Weatherize” the many buildings that the Democrats actually built.

    These are the houses that old Joe is going to “Weatherize”:

  28. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    For example, not a smart trick to tell a black man, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you are for me or Trump, you ain’t black!”

    Someone posted on the debate thread an SNL skit set on election night 2016 that was actually quite amusing in parts. Mainly when Dave Schappelle was taking the piss out of the white middle class imbeciles patronising and abusing blacks and latinos while going into a meltdown about Shrillary losing the election.

  29. Mark M

    lol, Mark Steyn:

    “He came out of the game and went Full Trump in the best sense – which is certainly obnoxious but also effective.

    If you checked out around 9.45, all you saw on the other side was a woozy meandering sad sack.

    Which may be why CNN, MSNBC et al were so muted and downcast – and already proposing there is no need for further debates.”

    https://www.steynonline.com/10661/the-morning-after

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Telling moment #2: Trump got Biden to say he was against the Green New Deal, which his running mate Kamala Harris co-sponsored.

    Just seconds after the senile imbecile had been singing the Green Nude Eel’s praises.

    It was a classic f*ck up by Geriatric Joe.

  31. LOL, one bloke in heavily Democratic Philadelphia. Who the NBP then threw out. Weak sauce.

    If the wingnuts can get thousands of people to march in Charlottesville, imagine how many cosplay Confederates they can deploy across America.

  32. Chris M

    Well it’s comforting and reassuring to know that Hunter did nothing wrong! Actually we live on a wonderful planet where nobody did anything wrong, according to themselves.

    What a sweet and good boy, he even got past the little ‘mistake’ of taking drugs, we are so proud of him!

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ll repeat this on from the OT, since it is so much fun:

    Google searches for ‘move to Canada’ spike after presidential debate (30 Sep, via BCF)

    Maybe M0nty should do the same. I hear Vancouver is quite a progressive utopia.

  34. Mark M

    Scott Adams: Trump Is The Most Successful Stand-Up Comic Ever; Democrats Want To Burn Down The Country Because They Don’t Get The Joke

    His rallies with gigantic audiences are literally stand-up comedy.
    He does it to entertain.
    He literally says funny things and his audience laughs.
    And they go because he will say funny things that will make them laugh.
    He’s literally the most successful stand-up comedian in the history of civilization if you look at the numbers of people who go in person,” Adams revealed.
    “You have to admit the reason the crowd is so big is because he brings entertainment and humor.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/09/08/scott_adams_donald_trump_is_the_most_successful_stand-up_comic_of_all_time_and_democrats_want_to_overthrow_the_government_because_they_dont_get_the_joke.html

    Because democrats are the joke.

  35. candy

    The Green New Deal seems a huge massive change to America with unknown economic impact.

    Biden does not know if he supports it or not, or too scared to say. A potential President should have a grasp on that, you’d think.

    He looks favoured to win but I reckon economically it’s very risky.

  36. Professor Fred Lenin

    Werent The KKK recruited from the defeated Democrat confederates?
    Wasnt the KKKstrongest in democrat governed states ?
    Didnt the KKKhardly exist in Republican governed states ?
    Didnt blacks flee from democrat states to Republican ones forvfreedom?
    Democrats have been racists for ever .

  37. max

    And they go because he will say funny things that will make them laugh.

    Yes.
    Remember this from the 2015 candidate debates:

    You’ve called women you don’t like “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.”

    (LAUGHTER)

    Your Twitter account…

    TRUMP: Only Rosie O’Donnell.

    (LAUGHTER)

  38. min

    Trouble is the average Joe Blow only ,if at all, gets all his information from very limited sources . Nothing would have been read from conservative blog sites in America, Canada etc so have no idea what really is going on just brought up on false news as POTUS says .
    Even heard a so called conservative radio host call Trump a bully and a tyrant , Really with 3 Nobel Peace Prize nominations . Certainly a Type A male , used to negotiating but how do you negotiate with those telling a pack of lies?

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Green New Deal seems a huge massive change to America with unknown economic impact.

    its co-sponsored by china

  40. Dinky

    Weak sauce.

    This is what happens when you let the Left capture the education system.

  41. Catcalling Inebriate

    Trump demonstrated that he is a narcissistic boor, with tendencies learned in a life of no effort and no achievement. He is a spiv and a fake. I would rather see a doormat like Biden win than have this giant bucket of pus occupy the leadership of the most powerful nation. Of course there are plenty like Kates who don’t care at all about moral principles or respect for democracy but are childlike in their desire for the minor celebrity of social media “fame”. If they are successful in delivering a second term for this criminal, the US deserves what it gets.

  42. Arnost

    In the past people would crowd into cold halls to hear political opponents argue their perspectives for hours at a time. Both the pollies and the people were far more educated and informed about the various political schools.

    Three adults squabbling like children and vying for ‘gotchas’ just about sums up where our western world is. If the leaders act like that then we can’t be surprised when the plebs behave as they currently are. We’re heading for chaos, fast and furiously.

    Good observation – but this is something that can squarely be laid at the feet of the education system and the MSM. Is is what it is and why the swamp needs to be drained.

  43. JC

    The Green New Deal seems a huge massive change to America with unknown economic impact.

    Huh, It’s unknown? Of course it known. Sky-high, intermittent energy supplies. Total economic destruction.

  44. Rex Anger

    . If they are successful in delivering a second term for this criminal, the US deserves what it gets.

    Like another generation of relative peace at home and abroad, economic prosperity, reasonable prospects for all Americans (including those poor, misbegotten minorities the Democrats are so eager to ‘retain’), prosperous partners and allies, a major Pan-Pacific war at least averted, and a new appreciation of just why the out-and-proud Communists were exiled into political obscurity in the Americas from 1968-2004?

    No wonder you and the Cormades are upset, bugman…

  45. Ozman

    An inebriate, having had his fill of liquor puris, venting his inner agony as he projects:

    Trump demonstrated that he is a narcissistic boor….I would rather see a doormat like Biden win than have this giant bucket of pus occupy the leadership of the most powerful nation. Of course there are plenty like Kates who don’t care at all about moral principles or respect for democracy

    Democracy as in anarchy or “Antifa is an idea” as its paid immoral swirl beat up and kick innocent passersby (felled to the ground) in the head, throw molotov cocktails, burn down neighborhoods, kill cops; just an idea, as is the billions passed on to doormat’s son via Ukraine, Russia, and China. But to the pus-bucket, inebriated from his liquor puris, this is fine. Projection is really just a pimple that turns into a boil, it reveals the inner torment, the reality of the immune system trying to help; like Chris Wallace hopelessly calling out, “I am the moderater,” but when pressed, skirts unwanted matter all over the place.

  46. one old bruce

    The thing which puzzles me about all this, is why do a bunch of Radio-National/Fairfax worshipping Australians think they have a clue about what happens in the USA, to the extent that they fantasise some sort of grand battle of good versus evil there, on which depends their peace of mind?

    But I guess if your religon is ‘saving the planet’ then ‘theological’ differences assume grandiose proportions.

    Or you may just be among the new Wowsers obsessed with form over substance, words over deeds. Easily manipulated by soothing speeches.

    I mean you’d think this was about electing a Pope rather than a President. Some people seem easily confused about the difference.

    The world is a jungle, full of human predators. Propriety is useless in that context. Prospective leaders need to be tested to their limits and beyond, BEFORE they get the throne, not when it’s too late.

  47. Aynsley Kellow

    Fred Lenin: the South was indeed solidly Democrat at all levels of government for a century after the Civil War – because Lincoln was a Republican. The Dems gave the world the likes of George Wallace. That ran until the realignment in the latter part of the 20th Century, perhaps best exemplified by Strom Thurmond, who became a Goldwater Republican in 1964 in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of that year. (I met Thurmond once in his Senate office. He ended up with wide African American electoral support, but still harboured some racist thoughts. He asked me: ‘Those Abo-rigenes – are they a very tall people?) That realignment effectively ended the paradigm of ‘Four Party Politics’: Northern and Southern Democrats and Eastern and Western Republicans.
    I could not vouch for the party alignments of the KKK today, but historically they were, indeed, riddled with Democrats.
    Biden repeating the Chancellorsville and disinfectant lies and Wallace not correcting hi was disgraceful.

  48. Aynsley Kellow

    ‘Trump got Biden to say he was against the Green New Deal, which his running mate Kamala Harris co-sponsored.’
    Agree this was a major blunder. He not only discarded his base – diminished enthusiasm, very important under voluntary voting – but blew off his running mate. Mind you, he doesn’t know what he did. His website apparently states he supports it. Perhaps they’ll tell him what he thinks after the election.

  49. Faye

    Joe’s not stupid. Aim high. As VP, meet overseas captains of countries and industry. Introduce son. VP’s son employed. Big ‘wages’ hath landed. Amounts are publicly known but questions barred – the unspoken rule – FAMILY A NO GO no matter what.

  50. EvilElvis

    A bumbling, dementia riddled fuckwit guarded by a yapping chihuahua while the rottweiler hunts for accountability.

  51. Lee

    Of course there are plenty like Kates who don’t care at all about moral principles or respect for democracy …

    Laughable projection from someone who would prefer an amoral, corrupt piece of shit which would literally do anything (including provoking and encouraging large scale rioting, looting and vandalism, and uses vote-tampering) to get and stay in power, which is the modern Democrat party.

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