Further reflections on the first debate

The mainstream media is filled with as many liars as the Democrat Party, is totally untrustworthy in passing on the news, but more importantly cannot be trusted to interpret events. Below are more reflections on the first debate from the conservative side [here are the first set] which provide straightforward explanations as we would see it, and no doubt as most observers saw it whose madness has not distorted their view of the world.

What is there to be said about people who defend putting to the torch major cities such as Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis? Crazy, yes, but there is a psychological derangement so bizarre that no one may ever work it out. Are these people sick at heart to find that socialism doesn’t work and that it is capitalism that provides wealth and security? Do they really believe there is some alternative means of creating communities that will provide better conditions and individual happiness? Are these people so deranged that they believe that we really must throw over all of our forms of power generation right now to save us from an environmental catastrophe in fifty years time? Do they actually think we who are the least racist communities which have ever lived can create more harmony through armed and violent division? Who knows? I just think they are crazy, but what help is it to know that if they steal the election and put their mates in charge? Anyway, here are amplifications of what the President said during the debate that again emphasise how crucial this election really is.

The Debate Segment on Race Was Appalling and Not Because of President Trump

Rush Limbaugh: Joe Biden, Chris Wallace Were ‘Ganging Up’ on Donald Trump

Joe Biden is Not a Nice Man and He Hasn’t Been Nice to Israel

Democrats’ only path to victory: Violence, smears and cheating

Joe Biden and Chris Wallace Started It by Interrupting Trump Numerous Times First

Biden and the ‘No Wrongdoing’ Mantra

Biden claims Senate report about son getting $3.5 million ‘discredited’

Debate Commission Decides Chris Wallace Was an Insufficient Tool

Biden Falsely Claims Antifa Is an Idea, Not an Organization

Biden and the ‘No Wrongdoing’ Mantra

Facebook Regulatory Counsel Joins Biden Transition Team As Zuckerberg Commits To Silencing Trump Victory Claims

Chris Wallace Knows Better than to Let Biden Get Away With These Four ‘Whoppers’

Hell Freezes Over: The New York Times Fact Checks Biden On The Economy, Rates His Claim As ‘False’

Brazil’s President Lights Up Joe Biden After Ridiculous Threat

Journalists Covering Antifa Blast Joe Biden: People Aren’t Being Assaulted in the Streets by an ‘Idea’

Yes, Trump has a health care plan — he has been implementing it

TRUMP: ‘We Won the Debate, Biden Looked Very Weak, He Was Whining’

[Nigel] Farage Bashes Biden On ‘Biggest Lie’ About AntiFa

CHRIS WALLACE, AMERICAN MEDIA FIDDLE DURING DEBATE AS BLM, ANTIFA BURN OUR COUNTRY

Presidential Debate Number One: A Biden Fact-Check

The Pandemic On Biden’s Watch Killed 13 Times As Many Children As COVID

CNN claims Biden never called Trump xenophobic for China travel ban … Here’s a tweet for you, CNN

The Trump debate decoded: He won, and he won big

Why Trump Won Last Night, Big

Civilised societies do get put to the torch from time to time by their own citizens. We are looking at the madness of crowds and the formation of our own modern Committees of Public Safety.

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33 Responses to Further reflections on the first debate

  1. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Reading Their ABC‘s live commentary, followed by the Catallaxy thread, it was hard to believe they were even talking about the same event. So many things you guys noticed that weren’t mentioned by ABC. Of course the Catallaxy thread was hilarious, great value.

    One thing that struck me later in the evening was how fair and balanced ABC’s TV summary tried to be, going as far as giving a lacklustre appraisal of Biden, decrying both candidates for their interruptions and “brawling”, and telling us that in this debate there were no winners.
    Amazing, huh?
    They’ve spent the last 4 years telling us #BothSidesAreNotTheSame and that the difference (eg in Senate voting record) has never been the same and the differences between the parties has never been more important than now.
    One crappy debate performance by Uncle Joe and suddenly we’re told both sides are the same. LOL

  2. NoFixedAddress

    New York Times caught naked in bed with Trump’s tax strategy and the New York Sun exposes them

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/new_york_times_caught_naked_in_bed_with_trumps_tax_strategy_nysun.html

  3. NoFixedAddress

    Sinclair

    Grow up

    [You can go back into permanent moderation anytime you like. We discussed this. There are two ways we can do this; the hard way or my way. Choose my way. Sinc]

  4. win

    The violent protests could be a psychological weapon used on the general public , Democratic controlled cities in the USA are burning. Here in Australia the violent protests in Labor states has miraculously stopped with the election of Labor government.. The CFMEU in Brisbane ,the Melbourne building protests with marbles put under horses hooves ANTIFA and University students and professors are back in their boxes .Its either a socialist government or chaos until you do.

  5. Sean

    I just hope that in the privacy of the voting booth voters think about the Dems standing back and letting the rioters destroy cities and those who don’t like Trump personally will hold their nose and vote against the left wing but jobs.

  6. Herodotus

    It will take four more years of Trump and then eight years of Pence to right the ship.
    Even then it will remain susceptible to another attack of the zombie left, who have been working towards this tipping point since the 1960s.
    The number of states and cities with lefty governors and mayors tells a very bad story.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Are these people so deranged that they believe that we really must throw over all of our forms of power generation right now to save us from an environmental catastrophe in fifty years time?

    They are being told not 50 years but right now the Earth is burning up. Totally ordinary hurricanes and wildfires are being hyped as global warming. And pundits like Prince Charles say we must abandon cars and eat tofu in only a matter of months to save da koalas and etc. Of course he’s been wrong every time he’s predicted horrible things in 3 years or 100 months or whatever, but he believes. And they believe.

    Going under cover again Project Veritas managed to tape a couple of Bernie staffers, who sounded very much like Antifa guys, and it was notable the both of them were apocalyptic about global warming. This was without prompting nor knowing they were on camera.

    Thus I suspect this stuff is going to continue until the global warming craze burns itself out. Which it will eventually because nothing much is happening, and that which is is quite natural. But it’s going to take a long time before they give it away. Decades at least.

  8. PB

    Oh they can be trusted to interpret events alright. It just depends on whose interests and agenda they choose to serve with their interpretation.

  9. flyingduk

    All the components that were there 4 years ago to produce a Trump win are there again, and moreso:

    1) Low energy, Physically unwell Democrat candidate being shielded by the MSM.
    2) Huge and enthusiastic turnout to the numerous Trump rallies, minimal turnout to the rare Dem rallies
    3) Shy Republican voters due to risk of violence/property damage from the Left. This plus ‘push polling’ means opinion polls are meaningless.

    Add to that Trump has now proven he can win, and the social unrest due to Democrat riots, COVID restrictions (mainly in Dem cities) and I think the case for Trump winning again is strong. Sportsbet agrees: this time last campaign Trump was between 4 and 6 to 1. Now, low to mid 2s.

  10. Mother Lode

    Reading Their ABC‘s live commentary, followed by the Catallaxy thread, it was hard to believe they were even talking about the same event.

    I remember the same sensation back when HG and Roy used to ‘simulcast’ the Rugby.

    You would firm an impression of the game then, when meeting someone who had watched it with the regular commentary, learn that the game was completely different.

  11. Mother Lode

    Shy Republican voters due to risk of violence/property damage from the Left. This plus ‘push polling’ means opinion polls are meaningless.

    I am not sure that Shy Republican Syndrome is what it used to be – and whether they are not more confident than they used to be.

    On the other hand they might still lie to pollsters because they have contempt for them, and/or quite sensibly believe that in these days of cancel culture and doxxing that honesty risks the revenge of petty individuals.

    But certainly Trump has been the touch paper and the fuel for a movement and I find the polls to be much at odds with what you can see on the ground.

  12. cuckoo

    On the ABC evening bulletin last night, Philip Williams lied that Trump had not denounced white supremacists. Fact: he has on numerous occasions. Then Williams repeated the “fine people on both sides” canard which even he must know is not true. Then for good measure he ran a clip of Biden lying that Trump had said the Proud Boys should “stand ready”, which even Williams’ own previous soundbite showed was false.

    It used to be that when these toads wanted to verbal someone, like Tony Abbott, they had to run a doctored clip or false transcript. Lately, they don’t even bother. They tell you Trump said X, then run a clip of him saying something completely different, or even contrary. Knowing by now that the low-information voter is so conditioned that they mindlessly accept the assertion-followed-by-clip format, regardless of actual content.

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Hmmmmm – does this sort of thing work?

    I watched the debate. Formed an opinion of how it went and how it should have gone. Do people really need others to unpack the story?

    Perhaps they do – there are heaps of explainers on YouTube that unpack tv shows, so I suppose this is the political equivalent.

  14. Colonel Crispin Berka

    This person on Reddit claims to live in Trump country Missouri, and tries to explain Trump’s support base.
    https://i.imgur.com/LDHzqMh.png
    Is there any truth to that set of priorities as the explanation for the unwavering nature of Trump supporters?

  15. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3604014, posted on October 2, 2020 at 8:17 am
    Do people really need others to unpack the story?

    Today’s “educated” seem to lack judgement.

  16. Mark M

    Re: President Trump and his taxes.

    “Two minutes with Australia’s richest man: politics, legislation and tax.

    Australia’s richest man, Kerry Packer, speaking on the stupidity of legislation, politics and tax.

    “If anyone in this country doesn’t minimise their tax, they want their head read, because as a government, you are not spending it that well, that we should be donating extra…:

    Kerry Packer

  17. Sean

    It used to be that when these toads wanted to verbal someone, like Tony Abbott, they had to run a doctored clip or false transcript. Lately, they don’t even bother. They tell you Trump said X, then run a clip of him saying something completely different, or even contrary. Knowing by now that the low-information voter is so conditioned that they mindlessly accept the assertion-followed-by-clip format, regardless of actual content.

    as Scott Adams said: Biden could shoot someone on camera and if CNN said it didn’t happen a lot of people would probably believe it.

  18. Sean

    I am not sure that Shy Republican Syndrome is what it used to be – and whether they are not more confident than they used to be.

    Didn’t a Trump supporter get killed by a violent rioting mob?

    Can’t recall anyone getting killed for supporting Biden. It’s dangerous to express your true feeling in the US at the moment.

  19. Mark M

    Kerry Packer:
    0.42: “I mean, since I grew up as a boy, I would imagine that through the parliaments of Australia, from the time I was 18, 19 years of age, there must be ten thousand new laws been passed, and I don’t really think it is a much better place.

    1.24: And every time you pass a law, you take somebody’s privileges away from them.”

  20. Sean

    The good news is we have gone from the fake news ‘Ideal president’ vs Trump to a real opponent, who looks pretty crap after the debate.

    now when they say he’s not living up the the standard, there’s a real person to compare with, one who told 33 lies in the debate.

    So ‘we can’t elect trump, he lies too much’ is not as strong form of attack to the moderate voter now.

  21. Sean

    Mr Unifier tweeted an image of Kyle R accusing him of being a White Nationalist with no proof.

    Really, has Trump ever done something like that?

    The “Adult”, presupposing a verdict before a trial…surely that’s not presidential standard

  22. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Weird Al did his take on the debate

    http://youtu.be/un9x-DjTMT0

  23. The DC – New York bubble is even smaller now than in 2016. Those who live there just can’t see / won’t see how the rest live and what the rest think.

    What CNN or MSNBC says is pretty much irrelevant because only leftards who would never change their minds watch them now.
    CNN barely gets a million viewers to it’s main Trump hating programs. Podcasters like Joe Rogan and Tim Poole get millions more.

    By the way. Ratings for this first debate was down by a big margin compared to 2016. People have already made up their minds. Trump will win and win big despite Democrat cheating with ballot harvesting etc.
    Trump minimum 326 electoral college votes.

  24. Sean

    Antifa and other extremist have caused billions in damage with:

    -no respect for private property
    -small businesses
    -decency
    -human rights
    -western values

    and yet the media is trying to misdirect peoples attention to the proud boys…cause evil trump didn’t condemn them enough.

    Average folk aren’t worried about the Proud boys or white nationalists (to an extent that is greater than the general concern and disgust we should have for all racists extremist groups) but Antifa is causing chaos. Dem run cities are letting people off with no charges to go back out and light businesses on fire. Flash mobs are harassing people who don’t accept their ideology

    it’s FAKE, FAKE NEWS!! Biden is too weak to stand up to them and we all know it. Trump didn’t fall for the Wallace trap and as the days go by people are awake to what the media was trying to do.

  25. Terry Andrews

    Hunt youtube for vids of Biden being wired up and also perhaps tech vid contact lenses. It’s why he almost sounded lucid. Ventriloquist dummy for president.

  26. Seza

    I like one of Kerry’s other lines, not in the video above. “I didn’t make the rules, I just play the game.”

  27. Daily llama

    Sean, re your post about the privacy of the booth- as I recently said to a (white female) Trump loving friend in the States, in 2004 in Australia on the morning of the election the polls said too close to call, yet the coalition won easily. At the last minute the punters thought “I can’t vote for that idiot Latham”. I won’t be at all surprised if it happens in the US. Most people hate politics and don’t engage until the final week, and who gives a crap about the polls a month out? And look what happened last time. Everyone wrote Trump off. If my memory is still working, I recall the post Thatcher election when Neil Kinnock’s wife bought a new dress to wear to the Labor celebrations on election night, and Maggie said “silly little girl”

  28. Mique

    stackja
    “Today’s “educated” seem to lack judgement.”

    Go on! There’s a long list of things that today’s “educated” lack. It begins with an education, as it has traditionally been understood. As sub-set of your “judgement”, I would include “self-awareness” and “sense of proportion”, and one of my sainted mother’s most important character traits, “a sense of the fitness of things”.

  29. NoFixedAddress

    how about we talk to each other ffs

    i think you are one of the smartest.. as in thoughtful bastard… i have ever come across

    i worked for price waterhouse & co prior to coopers crap.. though i was taken to talk to the coopers… and told them to go and get fundamentally far away

    my boss, partner in PW&Co, came from near Nhil vic, and i asked why employ a dickhead like me. he said because dickheads like you I can understand and the others can lie but i would not be sure…

    he sent me to audit jb were & son, capel court corporation and capel court securities.

    and other collin’s street companies.

    my pw audit teacher was the bloke who ended up having his daughter stolen. long after i left but i often wondered if the evil prick did it himself.. worledege..

    my pw&c partner/boss told me that whenever i went to a bar make sure i didn’t tell anyone who i am and make definite sure i listen .. and connect the dots..

    Sinclair.
    I respect what you do you silly bastard.

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Thus I suspect this stuff is going to continue until the global warming craze burns itself out. Which it will eventually because nothing much is happening, and that which is is quite natural. But it’s going to take a long time before they give it away. Decades at least.

    FFS, I’ve already been putting up with hysterical imbeciles screeching incessantly about this anti-scientific fact and evidence free horseshit for over three decades as it is.

    The preposterous hoax should have been driven out of public debate about 15 years ago.

  31. Kneel

    Dan Bongino made a good point, I think.

    In that, as others here have noted, many have already made up their minds who, if anyone, they will vote for – even the “unaligned”.

    So unlike other presidential races (and debates), this is not about starting extreme to get the nomination and then going centre to get the undecideds, it’s more about turnout – and Trump successfully supported his base which should increase his turnout, while making Biden disavow his base in search of the “middle”, thus reducing his turnout (eg, “Don’t support Green Nude Eel” while his website says he does, or “Antifa is an idea, not an organisation” when in reality, Antifa not only has a website, it redirects to Bidens!)

    Plus for many, some of what came out has been so buried by the MSM that very few knew – eg, Hunter Biden getting $3.5M from ex-Moscow Mayors wife, gaining millions from China etc. Google searches for “Hunter Biden” related to payments and/or corruption went bigly crazy after the debate. So any truely undecided’s that watched the debate and then search for related info will quickly see that Trump was mostly telling the truth, while Biden was not. Couple that with the “You’ve had 47 years already, why haven’t you fixed it before?”, and the known pre-Covid boom (jobs that were “never coming back” came back etc etc), and it’s not hard to guess who’ll win.

    Polling? Bah! According to the MSM “polling”, HRC had a 90%+ chance of winning, while Biden is more like 60-70%. If the same polling bias exists today, whatever the reason… you do the maths.

    No, the big issue won’t be who votes for whom, it will be what happens with the legal cases the Dems will initiate to try and get their puppet in. They have to – if they fail to win, there are a great many swamp creatures that will be doing a perp walk, including more than few (ex) FBI agents and likely HRC too.

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