Compare and contrast

From the Trump – Biden debate:

Chris Wallace:
You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

President Donald J. Trump:
Sure, I’m will to do that.

Chris Wallace: 
Are you prepared specifically to do it.

President Donald J. Trump:
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.

Chris Wallace:
But what are you saying?

President Donald J. Trump:
I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

Chris Wallace:
Well, do it, sir.

Vice President Joe Biden:
Say it, do it say it.

President Donald J. Trump:
What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.

Chris Wallace:
White supremacist and right-wing militia.

Vice President Joe Biden:
Proud Boys.

President Donald J. Trump:
Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing…

Vice President Joe Biden:
His own FBI Director said unlike white supremacist, Antifa is an idea not an organization-

President Donald J. Trump:
Oh you got to be kidding me.

I thought of that exchange this morning while reading an hysterical op-ed by Thomas Friedman from the New York Times that was reproduced in the AFR.

Admittedly, Biden did not particularly shine in Tuesday night’s debate. Alas, I have never seen him shine in any debate. But I have no doubt that the people, values and integrity he would bring into government would be of a quality that the nation deserves.

If Trump’s performance left you feeling that you want four more years of his presidency – that he will respect the outcome of the elections if it goes against him, that he will reunite the country, that he will do the presidency proud and surround himself with people of the quality that the country deserves – then you and I were watching different debates.

Maybe we were watching different debates. I saw Trump call out people and I saw Biden looking the other way when it was his turn to call out people.

Observe the framing – Trump must reunite the US … by surrendering to the mob. That is what Friedman is saying:

I can’t say this any more clearly: American democracy is in terrible danger – more danger than it has been since the Civil War, more danger than after Pearl Harbour, more danger than during the Cuban missile crisis, and more danger than during Watergate.

I began my career as a foreign correspondent covering Lebanon’s second civil war, and it left a huge impact on me.

I saw what happens in a country when everything becomes politics, when a critical mass of politicians put party before country, when responsible people, or seemingly responsible people, think that they can bend or break the rules – and go all the way – and that the system won’t break.

But when extremists go all the way, and moderates just go away, the system can break. And it will break. I saw it happen.

So who do we see breaking and bending the rules?

Without shared facts on which to make decisions, there can be no solutions to our biggest challenges. And without a modicum of trust that both sides want to preserve and enhance the common good, it is impossible to accomplish anything big.

“Politics needs a reference point outside of politics,” argues Hebrew University religious philosopher Moshe Halbertal. “It needs values, it needs facts and it needs leaders who respect that there is a sacred domain of decisions that will never be used to promote political gain, only the common good.”

Public trust is eroded, adds Halbertal, when people feel that this notion of the common good doesn’t exist because everything has become politics. That describes the United States today.

Hmmmmmm. Facts and values. The political left are lecturing everyone else about facts and values.

It seems to me that the post-modern left have telling us for decades that there are no facts and values are designed to maintain white supremacy and misogyny. Now, all of a sudden, the absence of facts and values is a problem?

The institutions we have relied upon to be outside the game of politics so as to adjudicate what is right and true – scientists, certain news media, the courts – have become so ensnared by politics that fewer and fewer of them are universally trusted to define and pursue the common good. Even mask-wearing has become partisan.

You cannot sustain a healthy democracy under such conditions.

No. Indeed. You cannot.  So tell us, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, why does nobody trust scientists? Why does nobody trust ‘certain news media’? Why does nobody trust the courts? Has all this happened since 2016?

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49 Responses to Compare and contrast

  1. pbw says:

    Well said, Sinc.

  2. Roger says:

    Biden did not particularly shine in Tuesday night’s debate. Alas, I have never seen him shine in any debate. But I have no doubt that the people, values and integrity he would bring into government would be of a quality that the nation deserves.

    Deserves?

    Friedman must really despise his fellow Americans to wish a Harriden administration on them.

  3. wal1957 says:

    Excellent piece Sinc.

  4. Oh you got to be kidding me.

    Boom.

  5. thefrollickingmole says:

    I saw what happens in a country when everything becomes politics, when a critical mass of politicians put party before country, when responsible people, or seemingly responsible people, think that they can bend or break the rules – and go all the way – and that the system won’t break.

    Did he also notice the effect of people splitting off into tribal/ethnic groups & being pandered too by their pollies who stoked up divisions by referring to past wrongs and never letting sectarianism go?

    Perhaps if theyd used “PLO lives matter” they might have had more success?

    From wiki.
    PLO were able to achieve a mini state within Southern Lebanon made up of the hundreds of thousands of refugees who had made camps in the area. Over time PLO were able to gain almost complete control over areas of Lebanon using their own police force, military and economic infrastructure although organizationally this was said to be sporadic in terms of efficiency

  6. Rob MW says:

    Chris Wallace:
    You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

    Ummmmmmmmmm……………….. what’s the point of ‘condemning’ something that the questioner has already admitted have ‘not added’ to any ‘violence in a number of these cities’ ?

    Condemning something that the questioner has admitted hasn’t happened seems to be pretty f***ing stupid. Narrative……..narrative………narrative……..context be f***ed.

    Just saying.

  7. Leo G says:

    Chris Wallace:
    You have repeatedly criticized the vice president

    Michael Pence is the vice president, not Joseph Biden.
    Biden can be addressed informally as Vice President Biden or even Mr Vice President but shouldn’t be formally referred to as the incumbent.
    Nor should the President be addressed as “sir” even by military servicemen- that would be disrespectful.
    Is there a specific debate protocol covering this issue?

  8. pat says:

    Tweet: Rita Panahi, journalist, Australia
    Memo @JoeBiden & US media.
    FBI Director Christopher Wray: “Antifa is a real thing, it is not a fiction. We have seen organised tactical activity at both the local & regional level.”
    VIDEO
    1 Oct 2020
    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1311599868897447936

    Trump-hating Time in 2017:

    14 Aug 2017: Time Magazine: Read President Trump’s Remarks Condemning White Supremacists
    By Ryan Teague Beckwith
    Speaking from the Diplomatic Reception Room in the White House Monday afternoon, Trump said plainly that “racism is evil” and that members of the Ku Klux Klan, neo Nazis and white supremacists are “repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
    “As I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God,” he said.
    Read his complete remarks (includes)

    The Department of Justice has opened a civil rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same almighty God.
    We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

    Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
    We are a nation founded on the truth, that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law and we are equal under our Constitution.

    Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America. Two days ago, a young American woman, Heather Heyer, was tragically killed. Her death fills us with grief and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers and our love. We also mourn the two Virginia state troopers who died in service to their community, their commonwealth and their country…
    In times such as these America has always shown its true character, responding to hate with love, division with unity and violence with an unwavering resolve for justice…
    https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remarks-transcript/

    as Democrats get more and more desperate to keep control of the black American vote, there’s no chance they’ll stop calling Trump a racist.

  9. pat says:

    Tweet: Terrence K. Williams, Actor, Comedian, author “From the Foster House to the White House”
    President @realDonaldTrump don’t have a racist bone in his body!
    He was never called a racist until now
    He has done more for the black community than any President
    Prison reform, Record HBCU funding, Lowest black poverty & unemployment ever
    2m17s VIDEO/PICS
    https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1311420823815815169

  10. Baa Humbug says:

    You got to love the chutzpa of the left.
    They create the chaos. They undermine the institutions. As soon as someone comes along who is strong enough to call them out and fight them over it, they call for civility and respect for the institutions. Not from their side mind you, but from the one who fights back.
    These people still haven’t accepted the 2016 election result.

    Trumps problems are twofold.
    He is not articulate. Sure, he can distill some things down to soundbites and get the message across to the masses. But when it comes to complex issues, he has trouble articulating his ideas. The MSM doesn’t help either. Certainly not like they helped The Kenyan.

    Trumps biggest problem is the establishment Republicans. They refuse to get in the fight with him and run for the hills at the slightest controversy. No bigger cowards exist.
    His other problem is his Department of Justice. If only his Attorney General played as dirty as Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch. If only his FBI director played as dirty as Robert Mueller and James Comey.
    If they did, then many of the trouble makers would be either in jail or bankrupted from Lawfare and out of the way unable to make further trouble. Others would also pull their heads in, allowing Trump to do his job.

  11. Lee says:

    I didn’t see the debate, but I would bet dollars to donuts Wallace didn’t ask Biden whether he would condemn “the violence [rioting and looting] in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.”
    I did notice though, that Wallace used the old leftist trick of conflating and greatly exaggerating imaginary extreme right wing troubles with actual left wing anarchy, while completely ignoring where the latter were coming from, politically.

  12. Peter Smith says:

    Chris Wallace is a complete sleazebag. Not because he despises Trump or because he’s a Dem but because he portrays himself, falsely, as objective. Fox should sack him. But now, with Roger Ailes gone, a station that employs Juan Williams and Donna Brazille is obviously friendly territory for Dem fifth columnists. Goodness knows what will happen when Rupert leaves this mortal coil.

  13. stackja says:

    Has all this happened since 2016?

    TDS has spread.

  14. Sean says:

    It’s been 4 years of the media trying to discredit Trump for being moderate and semi-reasonable from an ideological left point of veiw.

    Their ideas can’t ultimately win because they don’t make any sense. Instead they resort to WOKE-supremecy.

  15. Seam says:

    Agree with us or you’re a …

  16. John A says:

    The institutions we have relied upon to be outside the game of politics so as to adjudicate what is right and true – scientists, certain news media, the courts

    That is NOT what the professor was referring to. Hebrew University religious philosopher Moshe Halbertal was, of course, talking from within his frame of reference about transcendent values at the spiritual/noumenous level.

    Doubtless, this poor excuse for a journalist will decry the politicisation of the courts (when Mr Trump nominates someone the leftists don’t like), the corruption of science (by Big Oil) and the censorship of the media (when his own voice is stifled).

  17. cuckoo says:

    Is there a bigger canard in commentary than this notion of ‘uniting’ the nation? Who for a minute thinks a President Biden would do this? Who thinks Obama did it? If Biden wins, the riots will probably stop and the conservative citizens will do what they always do: quietly get on with their jobs and their lives. Then the pundits will look at the newly pacified streets and proclaim “See? Biden has united the nation!”

  18. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    To put biden and integrity in the same sentence is a huge mistake biden is just as corrupt as obama and the clintons . Still never let the truthstand in the way of socialist bullshitters lying is a way of lifev,if the told the truth Gaia would strike them dow dead .( or marx or hitler or stalin or mao or one of those socialist heroes .

  19. Carpe Jugulum says:

    The institutions we have relied upon to be outside the game of politics so as to adjudicate what is right and true – scientists, certain news media,

    That would be the Democritter friendly media

  20. Professor Fred Lenin says:

    As Joe biden would say “erh ehh um truth beats facts ,by atrillionthousand hundred million times now Im here in aukland orstalia “.
    The voice of the decromats “I am the decromat party “

  21. Zatara says:

    During a 22 July 1993 Senate Judiciary Committee hearing where the issue of refusing a Federal charter to the United Daughters of the Confederacy came up. Biden, who opposed the charter, still referred to the commemorative group as “an organization made up of many fine people who continue to display the Confederate flag as a symbol.”

    Odd how the press never mention that when they are distorting Trump’s comments re Charlottesville.

  22. OldOzzie says:

    Laura Ingraham opened her show on Friday night with a very moving tribute to President Donald Trump after his entry into Walter Reed Medical Center this afternoon.

    Laura spoke about her first Trump rally back in 2016 at a fairgrounds in Leesburg, Virginia. Laura and thousands of Trump supporters waited until 12:30 in the morning on a cold November night to see candidate Trump. Laura added this on her experience, “I knew that night that he would win. And I knew it was something very special.”

    Laura Ingraham:

    For millions of us, for millions of you, he’s been a champion for the middle class. He’s been a champion for working families like the family I came from… You see for about 30 years conservatives were promised so much from politicians and too many of them failed to deliver. But on issue after issue he has delivered… He’s already achieved so much for us and he says that he’s just getting started. Trump’s America First agenda really did change policy. And it’s a real threat. It’s a threat to the globalists who amassed enormous power and fortunes on the backs of American workers… You think about how much he’s endured those five years since he’s come down that golden escalator announcing his presidential run. He’s come under investigation, he’s been unlawfully surveilled. They impeached him. They tried to convict him. He’s been accused of about everything from treason, to racism, to fascism to xenophobia. This is someone I’ve known for 20 years and I’ll tell you none of it is true. None of it… Despite all of this, despite all that he’s gone through, he’s never stopped working day and night to achieve a stronger, more prosperous, more secure America… So watching Donald Trump walk to Marine One to night on the way to Walter Reed it was very emotional for so many of us who see him as this indispensable man in the fight to secure our freedoms and our way of life. I know President Trump is not Catholic but in our faith today is the Feast of Guardian Angels. It’s an important feast day. And I know the faithful all across America are praying fervently for a speedy recovery. And those angels are watching over him tonight.

  23. pat says:

    it has often been said Trump was not a “racist” until he announced he would run for the Presidency.

    Hillary Clinton has been IN THE NEWS non-stop since the Podesta emails were released – including throughout Trump’s first-term up until the present – YET SHE HAS NEVER BEEN ASKED IF THIS WAS TRULY HER AND BILL’S STRATEGY, OR IF NYT WERE MAKING IT UP:

    Wikileaks: Podesta emails: 29 Feb 2016: From: Patrick Healy, NYT
    To: Angel Urena & Tina Flournoy (Clinton campaign)
    Re: Hi Angel and Tina — running stuff by you re Clinton/Trump story in tomorrow’s NYT
    Amy Chozick and I are doing a story about how the Clinton campaign and its supporters view Trump as a general election opponent and plan to run against him. The story will run in tomorrow’s paper…
    President Clinton, like others, thinks that Trump has his finger on the pulse of the electorate’s mood and that only a well-financed, concerted campaign portrayed him as dangerous and bigoted will win what both Clintons believe will be a close November election…
    He, Mrs. Clinton, and the campaign all agree that they will need to seize on opportunities to paint Trump as extremist and recklessly impulsive…
    Happy to talk this over by email or phone before 6pm today. Thanks, Patrick
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/59194

    above was forward to Jennifer Palmieri, among others, an Palmieri does get quoted in the following, tho I’m not excerpting her bit:

    29 February 2016: NYT: Inside the Clinton Team’s Plan to Defeat Donald Trump
    By Amy Chozick and Patrick Healy
    They were confident that his incendiary remarks about immigrants, women and Muslims would make him unacceptable to many Americans. They had faith that the growing electoral power of black, Hispanic and female voters would deliver a Clinton landslide if he were the Republican nominee.

    But others, including former President Bill Clinton, dismissed those conclusions as denial. They said that Mr. Trump clearly had a keen sense of the electorate’s mood and that only a concerted campaign portraying him as dangerous and bigoted would win what both Clintons believe will be a close November election…
    ‘Against Bigotry’
    The greatest weapon against Mr. Trump, the Clintons believe, is his tendency to make outrageous, even hateful comments that can come across as unpresidential…
    In South Carolina and Tennessee, Mrs. Clinton began to lay the groundwork for what advisers call “a campaign against bigotry,” in which she will present herself as the fair-minded foil to Mr. Trump…

    During the Republican debate on Thursday, the Clinton campaign posted an image on Instagram that said, “These are not American values: Racism, sexism, bigotry, discrimination, inequality.”
    Mr. Trump emphatically denies being bigoted, saying he is simply not “politically correct.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-general-election.html

    the minute NYT provided the signal, the FakeNewsMSM began the Trump as racist/bigot narrative, with literally hundreds of articles, TV segments, etc…and it hasn’t stopped yet:

    1 March 2016: The Daily Beast: NASCAR Sponsor: Donald Trump Too Racist to Endorse
    by Asawin Suebsaeng

    1 March 2016: Time: Trump’s Views Are More Dangerous Than the KKK
    By Eddie S. Glaude, Jr.

    1 March 2016: WaPo: Donald Trump and David Duke: For the record

    2 March 2016: NPR: Journalists Struggle To Describe Trump’s Racially Charged Rhetoric
    by David Folkenflik
    Last year, The Huffington Post assigned stories on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to the entertainment section, seeing him as a buffoonish diversion.
    It now appears to view Trump as a threat, attaching an editor’s note to the end of every article about him to inform readers he “is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully.”…

    3 March 2016: HuffPo: Growing Number Of GOP Politicians Refuse To Back Donald Trump In The General Election
    By Amanda Terkel
    Editor’s Note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

    4 March 2016: Cosmopolitan: Donald Trump Gives White Men Permission to Be Sexist and Racist
    Republicans have communicated bigotry and intolerance for years. Trump simply uses a bullhorn
    By Jill Filipovic

    5 March 2016: CNN: Louis C.K.: ‘Insane bigot’ Donald Trump ‘is Hitler’
    By Gregory Krieg

    10 March 2016: ABC: The White Nationalists Who Support Donald Trump
    By Candace Smith

  24. OldOzzie says:

    Kayleigh McEnany
    @PressSec

    US government account

    An update from President ⁦@realDonaldTrump’s physician:

  25. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    Admittedly, Biden did not particularly shine in Tuesday night’s debate. Alas, I have never seen him shine in any debate. But I have no doubt that the people, values and integrity he would bring into government would be of a quality that the nation deserves.

    Creepy sleepy was nominated entirely because he knows where all the skeletons are and his job is to keep the closet well and truly locked up and memory holed

  26. Leo G says:

    Peter Smith posted at 1:31 pm

    Chris Wallace … portrays himself, falsely, as objective.

    Chris Wallace has now even objected to MDs who publicly anticipate the president’s recovery.

  27. OldOzzie says:

    The White House is pleased to release a new report from the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy entitled

    “Donald J. Trump: The Buy American, Hire American President.” October 2, 2020

  28. PB says:

    Friedman is a Nation-Wrecker, doing his part, as he’s always done.

  29. OldOzzie says:

    The COVID Chaos Is a Net Plus for Trump’s Campaign

    So, Donald Trump has the Wuhan pangolin virus, and of course he does because it’s 2020 and how could he not have it? With this year, you take the most random scenario, you multiply it by 10, gobble a handful of the brown acid, and just go with it, and even then the whole thing spins even more out of control than you ever imagined. Now the question is what this all means for the campaign. I bet it helps Trump.

    Joe Biden’s got to be worried. Well, Grandpa Badfinger‘s handlers have to be worried. That crusty crustacean is probably still napping, trying to sleep off the hangover from all the Namenda and crank they pumped into him last Tuesday to keep him upright for an hour and a half. In any case, change is frightening, and this changes the nature of the campaign. No one, including the Geppettos who pull Bidennochio’s strings, know what’s going to happen. Their Chauncey Gardner victory plan has been disrupted, and it’s not like they’ve got the most flexible candidate.

  30. Watch Your Back says:

    Thank you Doctor, a very good post.

    Something that’s happened, echoing 1919 perhaps, is that the Left have gotten more and more extreme. They keep shifting to ever more shrill finger-pointing and dissembling. You cause division and hatred, foment violence and then blame the people you are trying to destroy.

    I read something the other day about people who values democracy, and that abhor war. In fact, they will try very hard to avoid war. I think of Britain in the 1930s trying not to be dragged into a war with Germany. I think Australians and Canadians have a similar mindset.

    But the bullies, thugs and extremists overplay their hand, they push as too far, and – usually at the last moment – we make a stand. Even so, we try to observe the ‘rules of war’.

    It’s like kicking a sleeping English Bulldog. You’ve done it now mate, and you’re fucked.

    The peace loving English speaking nations become utterly and completely committed to winning the war, and crushing the enemy. They dismantle Germany brick by brick. Apart from 1776, which was a family falling out, just a little cuddle, we’ve never lost a war.

    I rather think what we’re seeing now is everyone who is not a leftwing extremist now falling in for battle. Like in Braveheart. Most of the Left are too thick to understand this, but a few of them are starting to shit themselves. The message is getting out: we are going to have you.

  31. Kneel says:

    “If only his Attorney General played as dirty as Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch. If only his FBI director played as dirty as Robert Mueller and James Comey.”

    I get the frustration, I really do. And it’s so easy – so very easy – to stoop to their level and “take the gloves off”. But that would be bad – very, very bad. Not just for the country, but for them personally – giving up your principles to win at any price is exactly how we got here in the first place. Take Yoda’s warning seriously – “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” Fighting them with their own repugnant tools makes you one of them.

    The current path is good – the DNI is de-classifying information like crazy and getting it out there. The senate is investigating and showing the duplicity that was present in the FBI, the CIA and even the executive branch, all at the very top levels. More power to Grenell.

    If Trump wins in November, the perp walks will follow soon after, and the names and crimes will totally shock the MSM, who will dutifully try to defend their deep state fake news sources and political favourites. But it won’t matter, because by then, DoJ will have all its little ducks in a row and there will be no escape for the guilty. The only real question is: will they be tried for capital crimes or not?

    But it all hinges on the election outcome. And that, IMHO, is really what the US presidential election is about – will you support someone who will follow rules and procedures to bring to account those who have broken the law, someone who wants to lift everyone and improve life for all classes, or will you support someone who will play your emotions, lie, cheat and steal to get themselves ahead at your expense, someone who will let your city burn until the polls tell him it might cost him votes? Someone who will stand up to the bullies threatening violence, or someone who will cave in to their demands and even kneel before them in order to gain a political advantage?

    It may seem an easy choice, but crowds are swayed by emotion, not logic, so we will have to wait and see if, in the privacy of the voting booth, Americans vote with their logic or their emotions. I hope for the former, and fear it will be the latter, but only time will tell.

  32. OldOzzie says:

    Chris Kenny The Australian sums it all up succinctly

    Win for Trump’s enemies would cast pall over democracy – Chris Kenny

    12:00AM October 3, 2020
    453 Comments

    Almost all of academia, mainstream media and certainly all progressive parties and groups in this country, the US and around the Western world are viscerally opposed to Donald Trump and obsessed with seeing him defeated. Which is part of the reason why it will send a terrible message to the world about the state of the great Republic, the bastion of open and fair democracy, if Joe Biden is elected president.

    The spiteful ruckus that passed for a presidential debate this week, and the deceitfully jaundiced coverage that followed, exposed the fault lines and the stakes. Biden did little but contradict himself on his own policies, call Trump a liar, tell him to shut up, and remain upright, yet that will be good enough for many.

    In 2016 Trump won a democratic election, fair and square, by winning the support of mainstream voters, yet the political/media class never accepted his legitimacy and have used every means available, fair and foul, to overthrow him; from violent protests around the election and inauguration to the so-called resistance campaign, from complaints about the electoral system to relentless fake news attacks, and from FBI and judicial inquiries to impeachment proceedings. Yet there he is, still President, taunting them, affronting their very sense of themselves and the nation, and campaigning vigorously for re-election.

    If Trump’s enemies succeed, especially when their critiques are often so deceptive and dishonest, and after they have trashed processes and natural justice through episodes such as the Russia collusion hoax or the assassination of Brett Kavanaugh’s character, it will leave a dark pall over the world’s pre-eminent democracy. And it will leave a mass of disaffected mainstream voters feeling that even a democratically elected President promising to “drain the swamp” can fall victim to the ­revenge of the political, bureaucratic, academic and media establishment — the deep state.

    We know he is unorthodox, ­polarising and crass, yet so many players and commentators never tire of pretending these observations are still worth fussing over. These qualities were merely the starting point and politics at this level is not a popularity contest; voters will decide on Trump ­according to what he has done, what he promises to do and whether the alternative is compelling.

    We might dream of a contest where someone with the oratory skills of Barack Obama and the leadership experience of George H W Bush takes on a candidate with the moral clarity of Ronald Reagan and the modern bearing of Bill Clinton. Or we might want to see Nikki Haley and Pete Buttigieg contest the presidency. But, sorry, reality is brutal, and the choice is between Trump and Biden. A rock and a soft place.

    The disdain for Trump makes it uncomfortable to even point out the hysteria of the Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers or draw attention to the manifest flaws of Trump’s challenger in polite society. There are many otherwise intelligent adults who seem to have a personal score to settle with Trump — perhaps his victory humiliated them in 2016 and they feel defeat will somehow erase their erroneous expectations.

    Perhaps they seek to highlight their civility by condemning his crassness or sense his defeat will be their redemption. For many, their normal disdain for right-of-centre politics has been inflamed in a strangely personal way by the most provocative populist in living memory.

    For context, we need to remember how the same elements of society demeaned and dismissed Ronald Reagan, reviled and defamed John Howard or mocked and abused Margaret Thatcher — these were all intelligent, mainstream and orthodox leaders yet were treated like pariahs by the so-called elites. Little wonder someone as uncouth and antagonistic as Trump has sent them to a new level of apoplexy.

    Maybe this says a bit about identity politics in the social media age; people might consider that their choice of candidate says something about their own character. Rational consideration of policy options and achievements might take a back seat to these reflections by association.

    Whatever their reasons, their opposition to Trump is more emotive than rational, more vengeful than cerebral. Most journalists fall into this category. They spit words about the President, verbal him in fake news stitch-ups, ignore his achievements, laud his opponents and generally allow their judgment to be clouded by their disdain.

    It is intriguing and worrying to watch. You can sort of comprehend what is happening with the Trump haters — so much about him is abrasive — but it is just too intense and irrational to fully understand.

    Trump is not the kind of person most of us embrace in our personal relations. He is aggressive, narcissistic, self-centred, uncultured, almost monosyllabic, crude and bombastic.

    In the lead-up to the 2016 election, US voters faced an appalling choice. While I said it was clear Trump could win, my assessment was that a Hillary Clinton victory would deliver a better outcome because she would be appalling in an orthodox fashion while Trump would be wildly unpredictable.

    This year the US faces another woeful choice, but the best outcome would be the re-election of Trump because a Biden win would signal the triumph of cynical, ­establishment politics practised by the elites, over the democratic ­aspirations of an unconventional but authentic leader who has delivered what he promised, and more. On taxes, the economy, border protection, trade and foreign policy, Trump dramatically changed US settings as he pledged to do — only the pandemic has shattered his economic success, just as it has in every country across the globe. And now his own and the First Lady’s infections will highlight both the issue and the contrasting attitudes of the candidates.

    Besides, Biden would raise taxes, implement uncosted green energy and climate policies, and create a vacuum around issues of law enforcement and support for the police. He would also be welcomed as a more predictable and malleable antagonist by China, Iran and Russia, not to mention the NATO allies.

    In 2016 and again over recent weeks, the Democrats and the media have generated a story about how Trump will not accept the election result. They skate over the very real concerns about unprecedented use of mail-in ballots (ostensibly in response to the pandemic), evidence of ballot harvesting, and the likelihood of legal challenges post-election.

    Yet this is the least of their ­duplicity. The deeper concern is they ignore how the Democrats and their supporters never accepted the 2016 result.

    Trump deliberately keeps alive his post-election options, and this is used to justify the confected outrage of the Democrats and the media. Yet there is no mention of their four years of resistance and, understandably, no pledges from them to forgo any post-election legal challenges.

    Of course, all politicians should accept election results but never surrender their legal rights to test the validity of the process.

    The Democrats and their barrackers have written the book on not accepting a result — their ­demands of Trump are like Lance Armstrong demanding no cyclist use performance-enhancing drugs to eclipse his record.

    Given all this and the continuing media crusade — just look at how journalists pretend Trump has given a nod to white supremacists while allowing Biden to make excuses for the fuellers of violence, vandalism and anarchy across American cities, Antifa — a win for Biden would suggest to many Trump voters that the political/media establishment conspired to overturn their democratic choice.

    Globally, American prestige would suffer, and its enemies would be emboldened because the diplomacy that has pushed back at China on trade and security, sought to restrain North Korea, asked more of European allies and, crucially, provided the most promising breakthroughs in the Middle East for decades, will have been repudiated by US voters.

    On the pandemic, Trump’s wild assertions and inconsistent messaging would be sidelined but his penchant for pragmatism could be replaced by a nanny-state preference for lockdowns that could deepen the economic consequences. During an economic challenge when even the Australian Labor Party has recognised the stimulatory necessity of tax cuts, Biden would impose higher taxes on the US economy.

    The identity politics that has fuelled murder and pandemonium on American streets would be enlivened rather than constrained. Police departments would wonder whether their president was on their side.

    The US would once more bow to Paris on climate, to the WHO on the virus and to the so-called elites on border security. Uncertain weakness would replace volatile strength.

    Four years on, American voters could suffer noxious consequences for overturning an election result the Democrats never accepted. And the chattering classes of the free world could pay a perilous price after they celebrate what they would see as the removal of an oaf from the Oval Office.

    Chris Kenny
    Associate Editor (National Affairs)

  33. Albatross says:

    The same group who have spent the entire post-war period scuttling the ship now shriek hysterically about its sea-worthiness. Hypocrites.

    Great post Sinc.

  34. Spurgeon Monkfish III says:

    Chris Wallace:
    White supremacist and right-wing militia.
    Vice President Joe Biden:
    Proud Boys.

    Yet more evidence (if any was needed) that geriatric joe does not have a f*cking clue.

    The Proud Boys are none of what that imbecile wallace traduced them as.

    Oh – and Fred Perry, the next time you want to get all sanctimonious about white racist thugs wearing your shirts, remember that you never denounced boneheads from the seventies onwards who loved your shirts (along with their 10 hole plus Dr Martens).

    I’ve been wearing FP shirts since 1984 and currently have about 12 of them. You don’t tell me I cannot wear them, you f*cking hypocrites.

  35. Harry Truman says:

    Thank you, Sinc, for such nice points. Yes indeed, the moderator in the debate took a prejudicial position against the POTUS.
    Joe Biden has been the architect of ‘BORKING’ since the 1980s, against each and every SCOTUS nominee of the opposite party, and has since been a master in political machinations. So it would be wrong for the opposite camp to underestimate him.
    While the US MSM is obsessed to find fault with the ‘right-wing’ violence, the ground reality is that the media has been in cahoot to bring the left totalitarianism to power at any cost.

  36. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    From OldOzzie at 3:11 pm:

    “Laura Ingraham opened her show on Friday night with a very moving tribute to President Donald Trump after his entry into Walter Reed Medical Center this afternoon.

    Laura spoke about her first Trump rally … “I knew that night that he would win. And I knew it was something very special.””

    Ingraham’s tribute to President Donald Trump is a cracker – considered, intelligent, genuine and sincere. Thanks OldOzzie.

  37. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    From Sinclair Davidson at 12:40 pm:

    “Thomas Friedman from the New York Times… :

    … Biden did not particularly shine in Tuesday night’s debate. Alas, I have never seen him shine in any debate. But I have no doubt that the people, values and integrity he would bring into government would be of a quality that the nation deserves.”

    We live in the most dishonest times.

  38. 132andBush says:

    Oh you got to be kidding me.

    Every normal person in America, if not the world heard that.

  39. Jannie says:

    Ladbroke’s suspended betting two days before the announcement that Trump had Covid. Now Betting suspended on Paddypower as well. They say betting suspended because he has Covid but that’s a pretty lame excuse. Something else is at play here, I think they are expecting a no result election.

  40. classical_hero says:

    Don’t forget that the idiot asked the same question at the previous election, clearly it was a bad faith question.

  41. Kneel says:

    “Something else is at play here, I think they are expecting a no result election.”

    The US Constitution includes a contingency for the situation where no candidate gets 270 college votes: it goes to the House, where each STATE gets one vote. You will be hearing a lot a about voting “down ballot”, which is what this means – make sure you vote for the senate and house as well!
    At current numbers, Repubs have 26 state majorities, Dems 22, and if all the R states went R, Trump would win. However, the House is decided BEFORE the presidential college vote, so…
    Oh looky, Michigan and Philadelphia – which both are currently R dominated – are very close, so swinging a few house votes here could decide who is president. And where is Pelosi campaigning for people to vote the most? Well, well – Michigan and Philidelphia!
    And who has a team of 800 lawyers to challenge outcomes state by state? Dems!
    It’s their fallback plan – if they don’t have a massive majority to Biden, then make sure Fatty can’t get 270 votes, use the house to get Biden in. Which requires house majority by state to favour D’s, so it’s campaign hard where it matters, which is Michigan and Philly. Which is what they are doing.

  42. pat says:

    saw this on a local media website yesterday:

    3 Oct: PJ Media: Feds Close Investigation Into Another ‘Hate Crime’ Hoax
    By Rick Moran
    Federal authorities have closed their investigation into a “hate crime” incident in Madison, Wisc., where a black woman claimed four white men threw lighter fluid on her and set her on fire after shouting a racial epithet.
    Eighteen-year-old Althea Bernstein claimed she was the victim of a June hate crime attack. Her story was uncritically reported across the nation. CNN, NBC, Good Morning America, and most major print publications told a horrific story…

    But after an investigation by the FBI, which included examining every scrap of video available, no evidence ever emerged of a “hate crime” and, indeed, Bernstein was nowhere to be seen…

    You’d think the media would have been taught a lesson after the first 50 hate crime hoaxes. Instead, they doubled down on this one, reporting every detail with that hysterical tone they get when they think America needs to be taught a lesson.
    It’s they who need to go back to school and learn how to be journalists.
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/10/03/feds-close-investigation-into-another-hate-crime-hoax-n1000641

    found no followup exposing the hoax from any of the FakeNewsMSM, not even from this “royal” opportunist, or the elitist Elle. guess they’ll get around to reporting it one day:

    Meghan Markle Speaks With Althea Bernstein, a Young Woman Who Was the Victim of an Alleged Hate Crime
    Town & Country Mag – 29 June 2020

    Althea Bernstein, A Biracial College Student, Says She Was Set On Fire By 4 White Men
    Althea Bernstein, an 18-year-old biracial woman from Madison, Wisconsin, was driving to her brother’s house last Wednesday, when four white men…
    Elle – 29 June 2020

  43. Zatara says:

    Kneel

    However, the House is decided BEFORE the presidential college vote, so…

    Yes, but the new members are not seated until 3 January so they are not a factor in the situation you describe (which is called a ‘Contingent Election’).

  44. OldOzzie says:

    Joe Biden ready to stand for whatever you want him to

    By David Harsanyi

    Lost in the blinding gaslighting over President Trump’s remarks about white supremacists during this week’s presidential debate was the fact that Joe Biden proved again that he’s little more than a stand-in propped up by a compliant political press.

    Biden was unable to answer even the most rudimentary queries about his beliefs, never mind specifics about policy. Apologies to the Twitter expert class, but opposing Donald Trump is neither a moral doctrine nor a policy agenda.

    There is plenty to dislike about the president, but you rarely have to guess where he stands. Biden, on the other hand, says, “I am the Democratic Party,” and yet, after a half-century in American politics, we have virtually no idea what his presidency would look like.

    Biden’s already put a lid on his past, and the press has obliged. The same reporters who will comb over 15 years of Trump’s tax returns have shown zero curiosity in nearly 40 years of Senate papers Biden has buried somewhere in a University of Delaware basement. Then again, there’s not a single significant piece of legislation Biden sponsored in his 36 years in the Senate that he still supports, so maybe it doesn’t matter.

    The media’s greatest coup in 2020 was turning months of widespread leftist violence into a debate over a few hundred far-right-wing Proud Boys. Trump’s messy answer on the matter — in which, yes, he denounced “white supremacists” for the umpteenth time — made all the front pages. Biden can label Antifa, the leftist movement responsible for the majority of violence, looting and arson over past few months, nothing more than an “idea” and see no blowback.

    It was an interesting metaphor because Joe Biden in 2020 is just an idea — a suggestion imbued with an infinite number of possibilities. Joe can be anything you want. What will the reality look like? I don’t know. You don’t know. He doesn’t know, either.

  45. Judge Dredd says:

    It is no longer right and left (was it ever?), it’s now just good and evil.

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