Budget 20-21 Open Forum

Receipts and spending.

So lets zoom into the past decade. The unbroken blue line is Receipts and the unbroken red line is Payments. The dashed blue line is the average receipts over the period 1970 to 2019 and that dashed red line is the average payments over the period 1970 to 2019.

That is not a good picture – even before we got to the COVID-19 crisis. The fact of the matter is that for most of the past decade federal government spending was at or above the 50 year average of spending. For the brief few months that the budget was in surplus, that is because receipts (mostly taxation) had risen to met spending.

So all those people worried that we’re going to be seeing some sort of austerity in the coming years need not worry – the Liberals were incapable of cutting spending in the past 7 years, there is no reason to believe that they will suddenly do so in the near future.

 

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106 Responses to Budget 20-21 Open Forum

  1. So, is this the Budget open forum or the open forum that just happens to come along at the time of the budget (on summer time, too!).

  2. John Bayley

    So all those people worried that we’re going to be seeing some sort of austerity in the coming years need not worry

    The ‘austerity’ – or should I say ‘living within their means’ will only come when the entire goat rodeo that is the socialist-lite global economy blows up.

    Then it will get ugly.

  3. Rockdoctor

    Am busy with field work atm so won’t be able to digest most of it. However a quick look throws up Singleton bypass. Well overdue but half baked. The single lane remains when the whole lot needs duplication. Wonder how many more will be similar bandaid measures…

  4. RobK

    It’s a worry when it’s said others have a higher proportion of debt to justify ours.
    At some point something has to give.

  5. mareeS

    It is a reasonable budget.p in the circumstances. At least there was no mention of climate change. Did anyone else notice this?. Too much about the virus, though.

  6. David Brewer

    A 10% of GDP budget deficit because of a bad cold. Madness.

  7. mareeS

    Lots to reasonable about. Our SMSF is going along, our son is going great guns in iron ore, our daughter got crushed by the virus in hospitality but is renewing her career in military. Things work out, otherwise it’s best to have a good sleep.

  8. Tel

    If they aren’t making a prediction of substantially falling receipts then this so called “budget” is outright fraud.

  9. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    the Liberals were incapable of cutting spending in the past 7 years, there is no reason to believe that they will suddenly do so in the near future

    Especially after tonight’s squandermonkey extravaganza.

  10. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    If they aren’t making a prediction of substantially falling receipts then this so called “budget” is outright fraud

    Incredibly, they appear to be banking on the exact opposite – Cormann on Sky now stating that the economy is expected to grow.

    Bluddee hell.

  11. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Rockdoctor at 8:38 pm:

    “Am busy with field work atm so won’t be able to digest most of it. However a quick look throws up Singleton bypass. Well overdue but half baked. The single lane remains when the whole lot needs duplication. Wonder how many more will be similar bandaid measures…”

    I’m loving this – month after month the daily mantra is “The gummint is useless, hopeless and reckless as it rattles up debt so irresponsibly on this harmless bout of the common cold. Our chillun’ and our chillun’s chillun are being sentenced to insurmountable debt for their whole entire total lifetimes!”

    Nek minnit“Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

  12. RobK

    The uptick in the blue line after 2022 is reassuring.

  13. So, is this the new open fred once the other one dies at 1:00?

  14. Tom

    As there is no currently active open forum — previous iterations having gone to God unrenewed according to Cat software rules — I will post cartoons here after 0400 AEDT Wednesday October 8, 2020.

  15. Tom

    No 2020 Budget cartoon today from the Australian anti-business daily, whose simple-minded cartoonist remains grimly obsessed with trying to bring down the leader of the free world from the antipodean peanut gallery. Poor old David Rowe.

  16. Tom

    From Fleet Street and beyond, an edited selection: Christian Adams (London Evening Standard).

  17. mh

    Paywalled Courier Mail has a story on snouts in troughs 🐷

    HOW MANY PUBLIC SERVANTS GOT $1250 BONUS
    Public servants across more than 50 state government entities, departments and agencies have pocketed $1250 bonuses in a massive cash splash that cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. See who got what. SEARCH THE INTERACTIVE LIST.

  18. mh

    Zero Hedge and Infowars keeping the world’s attention on Melbourne

    World News
    More Melbourne Insanity: Mom Arrested At Beach For Traveling ‘Outside Her Permitted 5km Radius’

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/more-melbourne-insanity-mom-arrested-at-beach-for-traveling-outside-her-permitted-5km-radius/

  19. feelthebern

    Has a single candidate in the QLD election said they’ll make public the travel exemptions for the last 6 months?
    If no one has, QLD deserve another 4 years of this mob.

  20. Rockdoctor

    I’m loving this – month after month the daily mantra is “The gummint is useless, hopeless and reckless as it rattles up debt so irresponsibly on this harmless bout of the common cold. Our chillun’ and our chillun’s chillun are being sentenced to insurmountable debt for their whole entire total lifetimes!”

    Nek minnit – “Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

    Umm, trying to work out whether this is a chop. If so wow, educate youself on where most of NSW power generation and mining royalties come from. All that heavy transport & DIDO traffic has to squeeze through Singleton or down the initial stretches of the Golden Hwy to get to these two industries.

  21. Mater

    I’m loving this – month after month the daily mantra is “The gummint is useless, hopeless and reckless as it rattles up debt so irresponsibly on this harmless bout of the common cold. Our chillun’ and our chillun’s chillun are being sentenced to insurmountable debt for their whole entire total lifetimes!”

    Nek minnit – “Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

    Yes, yes. We know why you love the lockdown. Self preservation.
    However, It wasn’t necessary to drag the entire country down so you could feel like we were all in it together.

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3393256, posted on April 4, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    I have had my life directed for the last six months by my GP and a surgeon, and others.
    They all say, independently “This could last six months, more, we simply do not know. Be careful Mick, stay home, you are vulnerable.”
    Those two morons, and the others, have certificates on their wall which say they have knowledge in the health field. I will stick with the morons’ advice if you don’t mind.

    National debt of $1.7 trillion by 2031. Now we are “all in it together”. In the shit!

  22. Mater

    Yes Rockdoctor, it was a chop.
    It’s Mick’s MO at the moment. He’s being a passive aggressive cockhead.

    I’m thinking he might realise what he’s been supporting, and what it done to the country’s future, but hasn’t got the testicular fortitude to admit it.

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    From Zulu’s link, as the OT went on the respirator:

    ‘But there is only one person of Fleming’s acquaintance who fully fits the Bond mould, and his name is virtually unknown to history: Conrad Fulke Thomond O’Brien-ffrench, champion skier, bon viveur and spy.’

    Fancy that. After all this time, James Bond turned out to be from Adelaide.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Fancy that. After all this time, James Bond turned out to be from Adelaide.

    Which means all those luscious Bond girls were a myth.
    Bond boys, perhaps?

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    mh, last night:

    ‘Qld’s election is the first vag vs vag State election.’

    God help that State if they both turn up to a debate or similar event, or appear at different pressers on the same day in the same outfit.

    For the first time ever I wish I had Instagram, just to see the combatants’ commentary on each other.

    ‘OMG she is SUCH a bitch.’

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Bond boys, perhaps?’

    Well, Eton was involved, so there’s that.

    Plus Adelaide.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Conrad Fulke Thomond O’Brien-ffrench, champion skier, bon viveur and spy.’

    I had a job as a bon viveur for a while.
    Not all it’s cracked up to be.

    I raced cars.
    I sailed yachts.
    I fondled women.
    But I did get the weekends off, I suppose.

    h/t Dudley Moore “Arthur”.

  28. Mater

    Nek minnit – “Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

    Hey Mick,
    Have you thought about the similarities between young people asking “Where’s me free stuff, eh?” from the government, and the elderly, vulnerable people asking the government to lock everyone up and shutdown the country to help preserve their health?

    It’s not such a long bow to draw, is it?

  29. notafan

    Is infrastructure spending now ‘free stuff’?

    I thought that was generally considered to be welfare benefits, $900 cheques, that kind of thing.

  30. notafan

    I know someone who had a family member, a world war two ‘spy’ upon whom Fleming is supposed to have based James Bond, married though so not sure about the womanizing.

    Nazis killed him, in a method I won’t disclose because findable.

  31. johanna

    It’s yet another beat-up about the Bond myth, but an entertaining one.

    The names these people had! They are beyond parody.

    The official British spy service seems to have been populated with upper middle class fops and rogues, sometimes embodied in the same person, for most of its pre WWII history. It was amateur hour, something which was taken advantage of by the Russkies and who knows who else.

    The rise of the yanks’ OAS, later the CIA, and their bumpy relationship with the UK gentlemen’s club is well described in Le Carre’s The Honourable Schoolboy and A Perfect Spy. To this day we only have hints of how that relationship was almost shattered by the Philby, Burgess and Maclean scandal. Certainly the Americans would have been circumspect about providing sensitive information for a long time afterwards.

    Not that we did much better here, our spy service being slavishly modeled on the Brits.’

    While there were some solid individuals, the structure and mindset allowed Soviet penetration to the highest levels of government.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘h/t Dudley Moore “Arthur”.’

    A great flick, and also a reminder of how much of a staggering fuckwit Russell Brand is.

    That abomination of a reboot should have been a signal to the entire industry that the concept of making new, ‘edgier’ versions of great fillums was and is doomed to failure.

    But no. Hopefully this appalling state of affairs finished with the rebooted Ghostbusters, and I know hope springs eternal, but someone somewhere will decide that a rebooted Shawshank Redemption or Deliverance or Saving Private Ryan or Reservoir Dogs is a cracker of an idea.

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    So.

    It look like a certain someone’s been reminded his executive contract renewal’s coming up (the Hun):

    ‘Victoria’s emergency management commissioner Andrew Crisp has made a belated correction to evidence he gave to a government inquiry six weeks ago regarding hotel quarantine.

    ‘The retraction relates to claims he provided briefings to Police Minister Lisa Neville in the days before the disastrous program was established.

    ‘In an about face, Mr Crisp this week issued a letter correcting his own testimony and stating he did not brief Ms Neville. Mr Crisp initially told the public accounts and estimates committee he had regularly briefed Ms Neville between March 27 and 28.’

    To state the bleeding obvious. You don’t forget you briefed (or didn’t brief) a Police Minister. Even if she’s a five foot four sour, joyless, angry sweary nanna.

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    *looks like*

    Where are my smokes?

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    Before I go and do stuff, I’m going to do an egg_ and quote myself because I thought of it just after I hit ‘post’:

    ‘a five foot four sour, joyless, angry sweary nanna’

    The aspiration point of VicJack Inc recruiting in recent times.

  36. johanna

    Just had a look at the latest TheirABC online stories.

    Cats and kittehs will be shocked to read that Tasmanian welfare advocates are disappointed. They cite the example of a single mother on a disability pension who says that an extra $500 won’t help her to buy healthy food for her kids.

    Fruit and veg are so expensive, they must be forced to eat Maccas, or something. An outright lie. She’s just too lazy to cook.

    In other big news, Trump was treated with an ‘experimental and unproven’ drug.

    Right. POTUS was a guinea pig for Big Pharma.

    Pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells.

    Why, oh why, does not one Government senator get up in Estimates and present TheirABC with the figures about how they cover Trump. Every single story is derogatory. Fair and balanced coverage, my fat aunt.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    October 7th.
    The day before October 8th.
    No new open thread.
    I wonder …

  38. notafan

    Oh and my James Bond model was Australian born but moved to Britain as an adult.

  39. notafan

    Very disappointing LL.

    Hopes dashed.

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Hopes dashed.’

    Portents of doom, more like it.

    A cow was born with two heads overnight. The moon shone blood red. Frogs rained from the sky.

    Quoth the raven, ‘Nevermore.’

  41. calli

    He didn’t die so now they’re removing his posts.

    “Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!” Mr Trump tweeted.

    He had also posted the message to Facebook, before the company deleted the post.

    “We remove incorrect information about the severity of Covid-19, and have now removed this post,” Andy Stone, policy communications manager at Facebook told the BBC.

    Twitter put a warning label on the tweet as potentially containing misleading information.

    “This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about spreading misleading and potentially harmful information related to COVID-19. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible,” it said.

    The narrative must be maintained at all costs.

  42. calli

    Was Covid contracting Trump the impending disaster?

    Didn’t work.

  43. 132andBush

    Tom
    #3609651, posted on October 7, 2020 at 4:05 am

    No 2020 Budget cartoon today from the Australian anti-business daily, whose simple-minded cartoonist remains grimly obsessed with trying to bring down the leader of the free world from the antipodean peanut gallery. Poor old David Rowe.

    I did predict this the other day.
    Which was as hard as calling the winner of a beauty contest between Monica Bellucci and that Wong chap.

  44. johanna

    Speaking of narratives, apparently we need to maintain Jobkeeper et al to prevent domestic violence:

    “Maintaining and extending JobKeeper and JobSeeker payments should be a critical policy response because both payments are effectively domestic violence prevention strategies,” she said.

    At the Women’s Legal Service, Ms Ngor is preparing for a second wave of calls for help.

    “What we’re concerned about is when those Government safety nets are pulled back, we’re going to see a lot lot more domestic and family violence as communities are put under pressure,” she said.

    Sorry, when you have had multiple children with a dickhead, your choice, it is not the taxpayers of Australia who are at fault if they don’t cough up enough to keep you in the style you would prefer.

    And, don’t you love how every interest group is borrowing the terminology – a ‘second wave’ of domestic violence, FFS. Mind you, they have not yet proved that there was a first wave, but details, shmetails.

  45. rickw

    Dr Steve Turley, 13:13, CNN losing it over Trump and COVID-19.

  46. Bear Necessities

    RIP Eddie Van Halen. I’ll get out the 1984 CD today as a tribute.

  47. notafan

    What Trump saud regarding the flu is correct.

    Covid confines itself almost exclusively to the over 70/ comorbities cohort.

    Flu kills otherwise healthy children with regularity.

  48. johanna

    In real news, Eddie Van Halen popped his clogs, aged 65.

    RIP, you and your band gave millions of people gazillions of hours of pleasure.

  49. notafan

    I’m taking ‘population’ as age demographics.

  50. notafan

    Some of us think births, deaths and marriages the most boring part of the newspaper.

  51. egg_

    I’m going to do an egg_…

    Watch out for the Huckwit.

    Choo! Choo!

  52. egg_

    Gawd.

    Teh “Zimmer Disco” bandleader starts early.

  53. calli

    *taps mic*

    Is this thing on? 🤣

  54. rickw

    Notice the little Vikpol fuck in this video had has ID in backwards so it wasn’t legible:

  55. Bear Necessities

    Eddie got piano lessons as a kid but he self taught himself the guitar. Legendary!

  56. egg_

    Some are accused of being GetUp! etc. on other threads despite the usual OT blowhards thinking it’s an unread backwater blog.

    On other (technical) fora that provide statistics, it’s often a minimum of 50:1 readers* to replies to a thread; sometimes in their millions over time.

    Methinks it’s at least research fodder for their ALPBC, etc. and even some parody from Micallef, etc.

    *So you can shove your “conversational” mic.

  57. johanna

    I discover that Eddie’s mum was half Javanese, there was quite a bit of intermarrying between the Dutch colonials and Indonesians.

    Voted Number 1 in Guitar World’s readers poll in 2012.

    Just another of those dumb Dutch losers we keep reading about here. 🙂

  58. Rockdoctor

    Yeah thought so Mater. If he has an issue should just spit it out and not be convoluted. Am cool with that and the discussion on merits or not of, have learned heaps here that way already. Otherwise meh, unsure what I have done to attract attention but have dealt with worse.

  59. feelthebern

    October 7th.
    The day before October 8th.
    No new open thread.
    I wonder …

    If you take the DMT you’ll be saved.

  60. feelthebern

    Van Halen’s greatest.

  61. custard

    Has a kind Cat already posted the paywalled article by Miranda about the Trumpster accidentally sharing her email address?

  62. Mother Lode

    No 2020 Budget cartoon today from the Australian anti-business daily, whose simple-minded cartoonist remains grimly obsessed with trying to bring down the leader of the free world from the antipodean peanut gallery. Poor old David Rowe.

    Rowe has to wait to be told what he thinks of the budget.

    He already knows it is bad on the basis that it is a Liberal budget (while I know it is bad because reckless racking up of more debt to pursue programs that make paying it off harder but serve a political purpose).

    But Rowe needs to know what the Narrative’s specific objections are to be.

    He then has to search through his tattered sack of stock characters to weave something that matches the narrative.

    The Bananas in Pyjamas will be there, of course.

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    Here it is Custard…

    “Miranda Devine: What happened when the President tweeted my email address

    When Donald Trump released my email address to the world, I got a window into the sort of vile abuse and hatred that the unhinged left has for the president, writes Miranda Devine.

    It’s not too shabby to have your column quoted in a tweet by the President of the United States. The only problem is when he accidentally includes your email address for his 87 million followers to spam.

    That’s what Donald Trump did yesterday just before he left Walter Reed Hospital after being treated for the coronavirus.

    Naturally, my inbox blew up.

    “You suck”.
    “Trump simp”.
    “You’re an idiot”.
    “Weirdo”.
    “I farted”.
    “Dear American Hating traitor”.
    “You bring great shame to Australia”.
    “Trump is a goddam a. hole and so are you”.
    “You need to stop drinking the Kool Aid”.
    “You support a Manchurian President who works for Vlad Putin.”
    “Idiot”
    “How’s your inbox? Lol”
    “You are dumb. And Trump sux”.
    “U stink”.
    “Don told me to send a note”.
    “Kick rocks”.
    “Talentless hack”.
    “Chinese virus? You racist pig”.
    “Welcome to the overflowing inbox”.
    “F*ck Trump and f*ck you. Can’t wait to see your tears come November”.
    “You are one crazy lady”.
    “Stop smoking crack”.
    “History will remember you for your hand in this genocide”.
    “Murderer”
    “Racist”

    And so on.

    The president kindly deleted both tweets when he got back to the White House a couple of hours later and reposted them, minus the email address.

    But what the episode shows us is just a fraction of the hatred directed at the leader of the free world.

    There also is a lot of love, of course. I caught a glimpse of it in the many MAGA emails of appreciation that also hit my inbox.

    But to listen to the Democrats and Washington press corps in this highly charged election season, the President is the devil incarnate, responsible for the deaths of 210,000 Americans.

    Trump’s refusal to kowtow to the coronavirus and hide in a basement like his timid rival Joe Biden was a “brazen invitation” to get sick, Democrat House speaker Nancy Pelosi said so compassionately when he was admitted to hospital Friday, suffering breathing difficulties.

    All weekend on CNN and MSNBC they predicted his imminent death and kept saying “morbidly obese” with relish.

    Then, on Monday evening, when he walked out of hospital, seemingly recovered, and said three powerful words, “don’t be afraid”, they went into a total meltdown.

    After flying back to the White House in the presidential helicopter, Marine One, Trump stood on the first-floor balcony, took off his mask and solemnly saluted, capitalising on the theatre of the moment. Then he released a video message encouraging Americans not to be frightened of the virus.

    “Don’t let it dominate you. Don’t be afraid of it. You’re gonna beat it,” he said.

    “We’re going back to work. We’re going to be out front. But don’t let it dominate your lives. Get out there and be careful.”

    This is a powerful message of hope through experience, which America and the world needs. He is not yet out of the woods, but the president has shown that the virus is not a death sentence.

    COVID in October 2020 is not the same threat it was in March or even July. Treatments have been found, the fatality rate has plummeted, and vaccines are on the horizon. For people over age 70 the survival rate now is 95 per cent.

    The virus is manageable, is Trump’s message, so let’s get back to living.

    In any normal era, this should be cause for celebration.

    But Trump’s optimism sent the haters into paroxysms of rage.

    “Disgraceful!” thundered CNN. “Everyone should be afraid”.

    “Trump’s message … Not sure how that will sit with the families of more than 210K Americans who are dead,” tweeted NBC’s Peter Alexander.

    When Trump walked out of the hospital the first question he was asked by the gaggle of reporters outside was “Do you think you might be a superspreader?”

    When he arrived home and saluted Marine One, MSNBC called it his “Mussolini Moment.” CNN said it was “something out of North Korea.”

    “Only days into his diagnosis, the first thing President Trump does when he gets back to the White House is take his mask off,” CNN’s Kaitlan Collins scolded.

    Maureen Dowd of the New York Times attacked the hospital which made the president healthier: “When Trump walked through the doors, Walter Reed had a stellar reputation. As he walks out 72 hours later, its reputation is in tatters. There’s nothing Trump can’t ruin.”

    Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin went so far as to demand Congress defund Walter Reed for releasing Trump.

    “If he falls ill and relapses or infects anyone else his doctors will be responsible.

    “Is there no one at Walter Reed with the nerve to speak out publicly [about] this dangerous course of conduct?”

    Honestly. The real reason for all the rage is because the left’s scare campaign has been exposed by Trump’s brush with the virus.

    For political advantage, Democrats have tried to keep Americans scared, depressed and under house arrest, while blaming the President for every COVID death. Fear and blame are central to Biden’s re-election bid.

    The most despicable lie of his side of politics is that the President “caused” the deaths of 210,000 Americans who died with or of COVID.

    The largest number, 33,000, was in New York and a large chunk of those were in nursing homes. The exact number is unknown because Governor Andrew Cuomo wants to hide his culpability in ordering COVID-infected patients to nursing homes, where the disease spread like wildfire.

    What also might have made a difference in New York was closing the subway, which credible studies have shown was a vector of disease. People packed together like sardines coughing all over each other and holding the same filthy poles does seem like a risky environment.

    But Mayor Bill DeBlasio instead encouraged people to come into the city, as late as March 15. This was six weeks after Trump stopped travel from China and compulsorily quarantined citizens arriving from Hubei Province, for which he was branded a “xenophobe” by Biden.

    The point is that leaders everywhere made mistakes dealing with this new virus.

    But out in “flyover country” sensible Americans reject the left’s perverse framing of the pandemic and just want to get back to work.

    The scolds who berate the President, and insist that the economy stay shuttered until every trace of virus miraculously is eliminated, are sacrificing the welfare of children and young people who are least at risk.

    It is beyond selfish for old or neurotic people in power to deny younger generations – who are not at risk – the chance for a fulfilling life.

    If they are frightened, they are free to stay in their basements. But let everyone else get on with it.

    That’s what the President is saying, and it will probably help win him the election.

    Cue gnashing of teeth.

    Miranda Devine is in New York for 18 months to cover current affairs for The Daily Telegraph”

  64. dover_beach

    Vale Eddie. Here is Jerry Cantrell on EVH. Sounds like he was no different to the guy we saw on stage, good-natured and laid-back:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9pwCFMz0k&t=2308s

  65. egg_

    New OT for the bloviators —->

  66. johanna

    For young players, Eddie Van Halen is the guitarist, not the singer David Lee Roth. If you shut your eyes and listen, it is the guitar, not the singing, that carries the song.

    Anyweg, as we say, after absorbing a lot of Dutch baiting here recently, I decided to consult the CIA Factbook to see just how stupid the Dutch are, in world terms:

    The Netherlands, the sixth-largest economy in the European Union, plays an important role as a European transportation hub, with a consistently high trade surplus, stable industrial relations, and low unemployment. Industry focuses on food processing, chemicals, petroleum refining, and electrical machinery. A highly mechanized agricultural sector employs only 2% of the labor force but provides large surpluses for food-processing and underpins the country’s status as the world’s second largest agricultural exporter.

    Not bad for an underwater nation of less than 20m people. GDP at last count was about US$54,000. Debt is low. Politics is chaotic, thanks to proportional representation, but somehow the Treasury mandarins keep spending in check. The monarchy is popular – King’s Day is the biggest celebration of the year. Lots of orange, the national colour. Not to mention an excuse to get on the piss.

    That said, the climate is awful and you have to be a millionaire to get what is a typical Australian suburban house with a yard. It’s a different world.

    But, in the sharkpool of European politics, I suggest that they are not doing too badly. In keeping with their reputation for frugality, they have refused to take on the bills for EU refugee resettlement programs. Not happening. They have enough problems with Moluccans.

  67. Siltstone

    Worked with a few Dutchmen (professionals) in Indonesia. They were world class.

  68. calli

    *So you can shove your “conversational” mic.

    Was that directed at me, egg_?

    I was having a joke about our instant double posting.

  69. Old School Conservative

    rickw
    #3609728, posted on October 7, 2020 at 7:29 am
    Notice the little Vikpol fuck in this video had has ID in backwards so it wasn’t legible:

    IQ tests are not mandatory in VicPlod selection procedures.
    He put it on in front of a mirror.

  70. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Rockdoctor at 5:23 am:

    “I’m loving this – month after month the daily mantra is “The gummint is useless, hopeless and reckless … Our chillun’ and our chillun’s chillun are being sentenced to insurmountable debt for their whole entire total lifetimes!”

    Nek minnit – “Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

    Umm, trying to work out whether this is a chop. If so wow, educate youself on where most of NSW power generation and mining royalties come from. All that heavy transport & DIDO traffic has to squeeze through Singleton or down the initial stretches of the Golden Hwy to get to these two industries.

    I have no idea what “this is a chop” means.

    Rockdoctor – I have tried ever so hard to “educate youself (sic) on … NSW power generation and mining …”

    I spent much of the late ’80s and the ’90s in and out of the John Hunter in Muswellbrook as my second home while I led the applications and approval processes for Mt Arthur mega mine. Dealing with Tony Windsor – quite straightforward really; satisfying the expectations of David Agnew of Mineral Resources, a demanding and professional fellow, ever so protective of the State’s resources; negotiating visual impact amelioration and dust suppression with neighbour Bob Oatley (enjoying his hospitality in the charm of Edinglassie homestead) – he wanted us to buy the whole of Rosemount; negotiating land purchases (every one of the cagey farmers said they wanted “seven figures”); battling ignorant dopes in the Federal Government as they pushed their way, unnecessarily, into an already rigorous approvals process; reaching agreement with a couple of crafty, mature and practical ladies from the Wanaruah aboriginal land council (at which point the Singleton mob jumped in, declared them “blow ins” and torpedoed it with a demand for a slice of the action); needing to get in underneath the following Bengalla and Mt Pleasant projects before “cumulative impact” became an obstacle and so on.

    Oh yeah, there was transport stuff too – negotiating things to do with our overland conveyor to the power stations down south; and pushing the Dept of Planning to approve our Drayton Rail Loop with neighbour Shell, to reduce highway truck haulage.

    My point was that commercial – mining – interests up in Emerald, out at Narrabri and in Mackay also believe they have more urgent roadworks funding needs, to a completion of entire project level. Yet everyone in Emerald, Narrabri and Mackay, like me, wants the Federal Government to stop thieving their money and rattling up the national debt. No, no – I’m not having a go at you personally Rockdoctor; and no, I don’t have an issue to “spit out”. These are my observations, take ’em or leave ’em.

    Incidentally, Singleton LGA has just 400 more people than ten years ago. I wouldn’t have thought getting through a couple of sets of traffic lights on an existing bypass in a static township of 16,000 was all that taxing. ABS reckons the most recent population explosion out at Jerrys Plains took its numbers up to about 385.

  71. Tel

    Nek minnit – “Where’s me free stuff, eh?”

    Umm, trying to work out whether this is a chop. If so wow, educate youself on where most of NSW power generation and mining royalties come from. All that heavy transport & DIDO traffic has to squeeze through Singleton or down the initial stretches of the Golden Hwy to get to these two industries.“

    New South Wales had done mostly OK with new toll roads along the user pays principle. The tolls are not cheap but affordable and the roads were privately constructed and they start out privately operated which means they get built fairly quickly. I agree there’s scope for a decent Singleton bypass but I can’t see why it should be “free stuff” nor even substantially come out of government budget.

  72. Rockdoctor

    Fair enough Mick. Local knowledge noted. Point taken on the LGA figures though there are a lot of commuters and Singleton does have a bad reputation

    As for the Highway from what I gleaned briefly, 28000 veh per day at Pac Motoway turn off. Little less then halves by Rixes ck then halves again by Muswellbrook. Scone even further out is bypassed & duplicated and pretty well much Murrurundai over the gap (that I do understand though).

    Only reason I pipe up is seeing areas further out with less traffic and need already having it. Get it the local member is out that way. Concede Muswelbrook probably in more need than Singleton but will be last. Haphazard would be an apt discription of the organisation of works.

    Don’t know when you were last down this way but a lot of miners live closer to Maitland to some even from Newscastle and there is a definite bottleneck where the expressway ends. I’ve noticed it since first coming here and particularly in the last 5 years which would extrapolate with the data from I found further down to Syney. Do however see what you are saying about the endless hands outs.

  73. Just another of those dumb Dutch losers we keep reading about here

    His Mum was a dumb loser with a low IQ, he wasn’t.

  74. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Rockdoctor at 6:50 pm:

    “Fair enough Mick. Local knowledge noted. …”

    Good on you for responding Rockdoctor and thanks for the update on what has been happening in the Upper Hunter. My oil company sold our Bayswater/Mount Arthur mining subsidiary to Billiton not long after I achieved the approvals and my subsequent work in the area was as a freelance consultant – I think Anvil Hill/Mangoola might have been the last project for me.

    Bit sad really – I enjoyed the Muswellbrook-Scone area, made some good friends there with whom I am still in contact – decent local people, horse racing people etc, they have a good long look at you before they accept you. 😉 I imagine you are familiar with that in the places you visit as (I assume) a geologist or similar. Mining there has offered ordinary people extraordinary opportunity – it is otherwise marginal rural country – they have enjoyed continuity of employment and that has allowed them to place their children in good schools, tertiary studies and a wide variety of trade apprenticeships.

    I loved the coal mining industry too but it has changed – there are way too many dodgy small players now and the majors are run by bureaucrats with no affinity for the history.

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