Australians watching American politics according to The Oz

This really is one of the creepiest stories I have come across in the papers in quite a while: Public safety becomes a casualty to the culture wars. It’s by Katrina Grace Kelly and it’s in The Australian.

Confession: it is easy to laugh when on the other side of the world, I suppose, but Donald Trump has been a source of great amusement for many years. However, as the mind-boggling events unfolded this week, the smile was wiped from my dial.

Telling people not to be afraid of COVID-19, which he has contracted — although when and where remains a secret — the President checked out of hospital and returned to the White House.

A day or so later, as the US death toll reached 211,532, reports on television claimed Trump was symptom free and had declared his infection a “blessing in disguise”.

This is her central point:

If the leader of any country has only one job, it is to keep their citizens out of harm’s way. Despite any other previous policy triumphs, if a leader doesn’t do everything to keep their people alive in the face of avoidable death, they won’t be appreciated.

I don’t want to get into just how inane I think this is. If you don’t see it yourself, I can do nothing to help you. But it was the sentence that followed that makes it clear just how much, in Jane Fonda’s words, “Covid is God’s gift to the Left”. Here we have, in The Oz:

Polls often are wrong but they have Trump on track to lose the election. If he does, it will be because of his COVID-19 response.

And it will be just because of this safety-first inanity from people of the left such as herself. Save me, she begs, save me. No one is any longer dying, there are other issues that also matter, and many that are much more important. But so far as she is concerned, that is the first priority with everything else a long way distant behind. Here are the first five comments under “Best Liked” and then a few others after that.

“Voters expect politicians to do everything to keep them safe”. No, we expect them to provide information so we can decide for ourselves how “safe” we want to be. It’s time we recaptured the notion of individual responsibility. The thought of big government nursing me from cradle to grave has me more worried than the virus.

Used to like reading your columns Katrina now they are better suited to the Guardian.

Keeping the population safe includes the responsibility of not destroying the economy.

KGK over the last couple of her articles, has shown herself to be a Dan lover and Trump/right hater/disliker. It’s always good to know the perspective from which the authors come. One thing though for KGK, as a person who will relentlessly defend Dan Andrews and his draconian lockdowns, can she please explain how my child in France was in the very same class with another child who was confirmed to have Covid. The Covid positive child stayed away from school for a few weeks and the rest of the class went on as normal with no one else (nor the teacher) getting Covid (and their classrooms is really, really small and packed with students). Compare this with Victoria where there are very very few diagnosed cases (certainly in comparison to France) but no kids going to school for 6 entire months. KGK, can you see why some people may see that there has been a bit of an over reaction by your man Dan? I think KGK ought to check her bias.

A very simple response Katrina. You’re so very, very wrong in your thinking.

“Telling people not to be afraid of COVID-19, which he has contracted.” Am I the only person in the world who understood his words to be along the lines of not letting yourself become too afraid to live and to still find joy in the world despite the times we are living in; but to take care and be responsible. The man has his faults but for just once could anyone report on his utterances with just a small degree of objectivity?

It is the perpetually terrified who have urged politicians to bring us to our knees. Governments cannot keep us safe. In the ultimate scenario it is they that send troops to die to achieve economic and moral objectives. Safety is am illusion. Live under the doona for as long as you like Katrina but the rest of us want to live life.

This is what gets my back up. People who are so quick to blame Trump for the deaths from corona but yet give a free pass to Dan Andrews. Seriously?? The same bloke who let 10000 BLM protesters run amuck thru Melbourne because apparently they couldn’t be policed but yet dragged a pregnant mother out of her home for supporting a Fb post about a protest. What a joke.

Sorry, but most of this is a string of nonsense cliches.

We can’t hide under the bed forever. I think it is eminently sensible advice to say ‘don’t let this virus rule our lives, we must learn to live with it’.

I swear people still peddling this fear campaign must live under a rock.

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62 Responses to Australians watching American politics according to The Oz

  1. ArthurB says:

    KGK started writing for the Oz a few years ago, as Grace Collier, and mostly wrote about the unions, and her experiences as an insider in the union movement, she had no illusions about them and their activities. Recently she has drifted off to the Left, and I find her column is not worth reading.

  2. Sam Duncan says:

    “If the leader of any country has only one job,”

    The tell is right there with the, frankly, fascistic use of the word “leader”. The comment you quote is correct, but in order to return to a sense of individual responsibility we need to stop thinking of our elected representatives as “leaders”. Yes, heads of government and state should set a good example to their countries, but their job is not to “lead” them in lockstep down a particular path. They are the custodians of our liberties and traditions, and they should be led by them.

  3. Sunbird says:

    Its all about gender.
    The psychology of most women is to want a strong leader to keep them safe.
    Traditionaly it was their husband who filled that role but in the last few decades its been replaced by the government.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I’ve seen this sort of thing several times. It is the fear of the mysterious invisible monster.

    Nuclear energy and radiation is treated like that despite it having killed far fewer people than any other energy technology. Global warming is another scary invisible monster. Free-market capitalism is another to some extent.

    There are two commonalities between all of these: (1) they are difficult for the layperson to understand and (2) the green-left has been working hard using lies and propaganda to push their agenda using them.

    So nuclear energy has been undermined by the erroneous LNT model for radiation exposure, which was forced upon the industry despite it being wrong. Global warming is mild and harmless according to real world data. Free-market capitalism lifts all boats remarkably, when you look at the empirical data.

    Then to come to KGK and Covid-19. The actual death toll from Covid-19 in Australia to 10 Oct 2020 is 897, and as we know many of those people died with Covid-19 but likely not of it. By comparison the Australian road toll to August 2020 was 1,121, and they all certainly died from crashes.

    Yet no one has considered banning roads and vehicles. Ms Kelly is not scared witless to go out in a car, whether as driver or passenger.

    That’s because cars are not scary mysterious monsters that people don’t understand. And despite everything the Greens can do they haven’t been able to undermine the Australia use of cars despite pushing strongly for that.

    And that is were we are at. Women in particular are terrified of Covid-19 despite objective data showing it isn’t actually very bad, except for very sick elderly people. And they look at Trump’s recovery with extreme scepticism because the lefty propaganda has been so pervasive and so targeted at their ovaries that they cannot think with their brains. And they certainly haven’t been properly educated by the left-run education system to be able to objectively check the claims of the druid class.

    It’s very sad to me that our civilization is being brought down by people who are frightened of ghosts.

  5. Mark M says:

    Sadly, 200,000 American deaths is actually a good result:

    March 18, 2020: The Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team has published a report on epidemiolocal modelling of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 cases and deaths and the demand for healthcare.

    “In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in G.B. and 2.2 million in the U.S., not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.”

    https://www.hpnonline.com/infection-prevention/screening-surveillance/article/21130206/covid19-predicted-to-infect-81-of-us-population-cause-22-million-deaths-in-us

    Katrina/Karen/Grace or whatever she calls herself this week, needs to stop getting her knickers in a knot and get on with life.

    First though, you need to want to get on with life, not be a climate-depressed sad sack.

  6. miltonf says:

    Just following the editorial line of that Murdoch rag. Just because that evil, psychotic twerp kRudd doesn’t like the Murdochs atm, it doesn’t mean that they are on the side of everyman.

  7. Walter Plinge says:

    Katrina Grace Kelly’s credibility turned to custard when she announced she was no longer Grace Collier, thereby dumping her loving adoptive parents in favour of her just-discovered biological mother. It was the mother of all cruel dummy-spits.

  8. Bad Samaritan says:

    Bruce (6.43am) and many many others……The word you seek is “phobia”.

    OK, so Covid19 is but the latest one the left has manufactured. Before that it was CO2 phobia and of course Trump-phobia and and and….All created and based upon the famed Chinese (yeah) water torture whereby single drops applied endlessly to the head leads to a massive over-reaction and sensitivity to the very tiny next drop.

    I was once involved in rescuing a woman who’d fallen from a boat and was trying to strangle her boyfriend as he tried to save her from herself. She was so terrified of swimming that it made no difference whatsoever what her beloved said or did to ease her terror. There is no rationalizing with phobia-folk meeting up with a snake or spider or very-well-fenced cliff, or open space or a closed-in room,Tthe leftists-manufactured phobia-sufferers will likewise not be reasoned out of it. We may have nothing to fear but fear itself etc, but that’s an idea for normal people only.

    That tree-snake is not a Taipan about to chase you down the drive. That daddy-longlegs has not interest in invading your pyjamas. That 20 metre drop will not reach up and pull you over the fence. and so forth. and neither will the death of a ninety year old with six serious illnesses…..who was put in the aged-care facility to die in the first place…hasten the death of Grace, the Oz columnist.

    Grace has a mental affliction. It is leftism and it manifests as A) asserting that leftism is good, and in B) a willingness to accept the purest irrational nonsense as reality. Every leftist has at least ten phobias to deal with, what role Tony Abbott is playing in all this may never be fully understood.

    BTW: In Orwell-speak, phobias are “two-minute hates”.

    2nd BTW: Ask any aged codger of your acquaintance why they so wish to stay out of aged care and I reckon 99% will tell you it’s because they are places you go to die. Well?

  9. Walter Plinge says:

    I’m sure the analogy has been drawn before but the response to the Wuhan virus is similar to Germany in the 1930s: society is repeatedly told to avoid an invisible, malevolent enemy which only a stronger leader can protect against. It’s happening all over: Russia, China, NK, etc.

  10. Epicurious says:

    Bad Samaritan
    #3614193, posted on October 11, 2020 at 7:31 am
    “Ask any aged codger of your acquaintance why they so wish to stay out of aged care and I reckon 99% will tell you it’s because they are places you go to die. Well?”

    Too right! More people die in hospitals and nursing homes than elsewhere, so keep well away!

  11. Mother Lode says:

    And it will be just because of this safety-first inanity from people of the left such as herself.

    It is not even that. They are demanding safet only.

    And if Trump had been a lockdown freak does it seem likely they would be singing his praises?

    What makes the analysis even less impressive is that the situation in the US has an exact parallel in Australia where cases and fatalities are clustered in a progressive jurisdiction with poorly conceived and executed policies.

  12. 1735099 says:

    Recently she has drifted off to the Left, and I find her column is not worth reading.

    Ever consider that reading something with which you disagree might actually help you to come to logical and reasonable conclusions?
    Or – at least – “know thy enemy?”

  13. Michael K says:

    Of note is a recent analysis that the overall deaths from all causes in the US is not higher and might be lower than 2018.

  14. H B Bear says:

    NamBob looking for an audience.

  15. flyingduk says:

    Any hope of ‘hiding in the bunker till its over’ is impossible because THERE IS NO BUNKER (read – no personal or national savings to allow us to shutter the economy and wait and hope the wuflu goes away). We didnt build one prior, nor did we stock it with food. Printing money and pretending we can eat it is an illusion, we cant. Our current strategy equates to burning the house down for the illusion of warmth. The result will be the same – destruction of the economy for a bit of Franklin’s ‘temporary safety’.

  16. 1735099 says:

    Yet no one has considered banning roads and vehicles. Ms Kelly is not scared witless to go out in a car, whether as driver or passenger.

    However, a few other initiatives (on the part of governments) have made a bit of a difference to the road toll –
    Compulsory wearing of seat belts.
    Vehicle compliance with a host of manufacturing standards.
    Compulsory vehicle roadworthy certificates.
    Driver licencing, including the graded P programme.
    Severe penalties for DUI and now, using mobile phones whilst driving.
    Better (and very expensive) road engineering.
    A detailed and comprehensive set of traffic laws and regulations.

    People are not “scared witless” to drive, because they understand these initiatives (and restrictions on their freedoms make them safer).
    Dealing with a pandemic requires restrictions on our freedoms.
    Anywhere else but on this blog that would be accepted as common sense.

  17. H B Bear says:

    If there is no vaccine (and that would seem a reasonable bet) SloMo, Sneakers and all the rest of them have spent tens of billions postponing the inevitable by six to twelve months.

  18. H B Bear says:

    NamBob you forgot having your car hermetically sealed.

    Safety first.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    However, a few other initiatives (on the part of governments) have made a bit of a difference to the road toll

    Numbers, you are obviously innumerate.
    Even with all of that the road toll is still much higher than the Covid toll.
    Yet very few people are scared of cars.

  20. yarpos says:

    A quote fom my son who has been working from home in a small apartment for many months “……. its really shitty being in lockdown during an American election cycle, that continuous crap bleeds into f’ing everything” so I guess not everyone is watching with interest fom Oz.

    Trump came up at a group lunch yesterday and people started getting into Tump, and finally someone said “how could anyone think he is a good President?” I said “I do” which shocked most of the table except my wife. I listed out a few of his main 1st term achievments that I could remember and asked them a few questions. It really became clear they were just conditioned to blurt out stuff by the MSM’s biased coverage and had never scratched one layer beyond that. Dissapointing really I thought they were smarter.

    Numbers up thread does a masterful job of false equivalence with road rules and extrapolates that all rules are good and therefore common sense. Its great that he/she/they/it visits this blog to display such clear logical thinking prowess. Awesome.

  21. 1735099 says:

    I listed out a few of his main 1st term achievments (sic) that I could remember and asked them a few questions

    List them all here – don’t hold back..
    Don’t forget the wall that was to be built and paid for by the Mexicans…

  22. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Numbers – Do you like the Abraham Accords? After all they’re the first real progress on Middle Eastern peace for a quarter of a century.

  23. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    A leader’s role is to inspire those who follow. Of course Trump is going to tell Americans not to be afraid of COVID, not to let it run their lives. His people “are” afraid and his job is to stand up and encourage them and show them how not to have fear. This idea that he should have told them to be scared, that somehow it was disrespectful to those that died to face your fears, is ridiculous socialist bullshit.

    Leadership requires great personal courage, usually in conflict with your own personal fears and doubts that must be kept in check. Think of all of history’s greatest leaders, political and military and the battles and adversities they had to overcome. How many of them led their people from the front verses how many have led from their basement?

  24. 1735099 says:

    Numbers – do you like the Abraham Accords?

    My opinion is irrelevant.
    Ask a Palestinian whose family was booted by the Israelis.
    I don’t reckon you’ll find too many Palestinians who believe that peace has descended.

  25. Bad Samaritan says:

    Numbers. You are a Qlder are you not?

    I’ve had several discussions with the Covid19-phobia afflicted along the following lines….

    In most states yearly roadworthy checks prior to re-registering vehicles are mandatory, but not in Qld. Millions (or thereabouts) of drivers just wait until something happens before getting repairs.Thus, on any assessment, the general risk of mechanical failure causing accidents and injury or death is way higher than in other states.

    However, every (that’s every) Qlder I talk to is very relaxed about this. Hardly any agree that spending dough on an inspection each year, followed by forced repairs is a great idea to implement.

    Some try to say that they can avoid danger by driving carefully, though they all agree that about 50% of injuries and deaths are caused by the other drivers and their vehicles. Still, this does not sway them into agreeing that we all should be tested yearly to save us all. The “safety of the community” does not concern them..

    So, the question; how come this obvious life-threatening clear and present danger has not terrified Qlders, and Premier Anastacia, despite it being 100% real?

    Answer: it has not yet been seized upon by the left as a bludgeon.

    Of course, if every evening we were to get a statewide update on accidents caused by mechanical defects and on and on and on, then you might well soon create another phobia to exploit.

    Get to it. You could be the next fascist premier!

  26. KaaBee says:

    KGK’s column was my first “go to” in the Weekend Australian and I was always disappointed if for some reason it did not appear but not any more. I believe KGK now resides in rural Victoria and if that is the case maybe she should leave the farm and get out and about a little more and so that she can see for herself how people are rapidly reaching the end of their tether.

  27. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    My opinion is irrelevant.

    That only ever seems to be the case when you don’t want to answer a question. On most other topics you tend to write great amounts about what your opinion is.

  28. Bronson says:

    How many arabs have died because of the palestinians from the 1948 confrontation, the 6 day war and on? How many more arabs do you want to kill? Numbers you are a horrible individual who wants nothing but continual war and death.

  29. Bruce says:

    @ Bruce of Newcastle”

    “It is the fear of the mysterious invisible monster.”

    It’s also straight out of “Forbidden planet or, its pregenitor, Shakespeare’s “The Tempest”.

    As H. L. Mencken put it:

    “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

    See also, from Mencken:

    The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

    “Men go mad in herds and recover their senses one by one”

  30. Snoopy says:

    This is how a real President protects his people from Covid-19.

  31. Boambee John says:

    Dealing with a pandemic requires restrictions on our freedoms.

    If you consider this to be a pandemic, what do you think of a normal seasonal flu? Should we completely lock down every Autumn/Winter/early Spring?

    Terrified for your own safety in 1970, still terrified 50 years later.

  32. Bad Samaritan says:

    Nighthawk (9.13am). You are so correct.

    FDR and John Curtin both disguised their own eventually-life-ending medical conditions. Even every leftist knows this was the right thing to do so as to not “alarm” the masses….

    When Ted Roosevelt lead his division in the first wave at Normandy, being both the oldest of the entire invasion force (56years of age) and the only general (= the biggest single target), he was also very sick….needing a cane to walk and lotsa heart medications (all due to WWI wounds and gassing)……and was dead a month later of heart failure, at field command. His rationale for defying his commanding general was that leaders lead from the front and they do not hide in the face of the enemy. They are there to inspire.

    Trump is inspirational. But not to cowards. Thus the explanation of why every coward hates Donald.

    Just ask Numbers!

  33. Boambee John says:

    Looking at the ramblings of the bin chicken, I can see that the problem with Trump’s statement is the wording.

    He should have said that “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”.

  34. Nighthawk the Elder says:

    Thanks Bad Samaritan. I didn’t want to go down the slightly cliched vision of the commander who stands up as the bullets whizz past, whilst his men cower for cover (think Mel Gibson as Col. Hal Moore in “We Were Soldiers Once”).

    But the presence of the commander in the field when he can be seen to direct, as per your example of Ted Roosevelt, is vital for good command and control. When things don’t go to plan, the men look to their leaders. (That’s why they are called leaders and not managers or appointees).

  35. John Comnenus says:

    Gee, and I thought the only thing to fear was fear itself. IIRC that was said by Roosevelt in response to the threat from a Japan in WWII.

    This cult of apocalyptic fear of the latest panic porn modelling issue is starting to really piss me off. We have had climate change for years, now COVID and because the Left so loves the control over people and the restrictions of their liberties they want COVID restrictions applied now to fight global warming, which should allow the, to keep here restrictions in place for another generation or two.

    What about the fear of traffic accidents? Of using mobile phones whilst walking? Of drowning? Of falling off tall buildings? Of electrocution? Of food poisoning? Let’s ban everything to keep everyone safe.

    But there is one fear these petty tyrants are never afraid of – big, officious, socialist, corporatist, government by appointed elites operating to protect us – even though the various forms of socialism killed more people than any pandemic in the 20th century.

  36. 1735099 says:

    How many more arabs do you want to kill?

    Generally, it’s been the Israelis killing Palestinians. Some (about one million) of them are Christians.

    Numbers you are a horrible individual who wants nothing but continual war and death.

    Nope – I saw a bit of that once and wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

  37. Kneel says:

    “People are not “scared witless” to drive, because they understand these initiatives (and restrictions on their freedoms make them safer).
    Dealing with a pandemic requires restrictions on our freedoms.”

    A speed limit is not the same as a speed limiter – with the former, one can chose to break the speed limit if one is prepared to accept the consequences, while with the latter, there is no choice as you cannot exceed the limit.
    This is, in fact, a great example because studies using simulators (for safety reason, of course!) would seem to indicate that having a speed limiter that prevents you exceeding a certain speed increases overall risk of a crash. Not a typo. This is because people balance risks and rewards. If you are running late, and can’t go a little bit faster, you’ll be more inclined to take the risk of going as fast as you can for as long as you can, whereas if you can “make it up later”, you’re much more likely to slow down in a high risk area.

    In terms of COVID, we have the situation where we are NOT testing for infection, we are testing for the presence of a specific RNA sequence. The WHO PCR tests were created using a similar corona virus, then tested to see if it “triggered” on SARS-COV2 infected individuals, which it did. Furthermore, the test uses 45 amplifications, which is 10 more than the “standard” maximum of 35 – it’s at least 1000 times more sensitive than the science says is the point of unreliability.
    Further more, if you are, say, a nurse in a hospital, it is very likely you will have such RNA sequences on the linings of your nose and throat, but not be “infected” – that is, it has not entered any of your cells, it’s sitting on the outside. This is not dangerous to you, and not dangerous to anyone else – you are not a “spreader” at this point in time. But you can have a positive test result from a swab, and will be required to “self-isolate”. You will also be added to the list of “confirmed cases”, despite never having any symptoms at all, never mind symptoms that are sever enough that you seek medical treatment for them (which is when you are actually infectious).

    So we are not only locking people up who present no danger to anyone at all, we are also using this as the basis for more and more draconian restrictions. And this, they say, is “for my own good” and for “the good of society”. It is neither and is, in fact, the reverse – it is bad for me and for society to hand out punishment when there is reasonable doubt. And reasonable doubt abounds.

  38. Kneel says:

    “severe”, not “sever” – I’m sure you all realise. Damn typos!

  39. Boambee John says:

    John Comnenus

    But there is one fear these petty tyrants are never afraid of – big, officious, socialist, corporatist, government by self-appointed elites operating to protect us – even though the various forms of socialism killed more people than any pandemic in the 20th century.

    Fixed that for you. These characters believe that their (self-assessed) wisdom allows them to plan and implement the perfect society. The concept of herding cats never enters their tiny minds.

  40. John Comnenus says:

    Thanks Boambee

    The only thing they never underestimate is their own abilities.

  41. Scott Osmond says:

    If government exists to keep us safe I expect to read in her next column how she is against further immigration. Especially from cultures who have problematic views of women and those with a home invasion bent.

  42. Rob MW says:

    If the leader of any country has only one job, it is to keep their citizens out of harm’s way. Despite any other previous policy triumphs, if a leader doesn’t do everything to keep their people alive in the face of avoidable death, they won’t be appreciated.

    Kelly is obviously having some problems with reality, poor thing.

    1 – 90 +% of deaths ALL occurred originating from aged care facilities – Kelly doesn’t see the targeting problem here or worse, policies for the administration for aged care facilities are a total clown show, where not giving a fuck for the wellbeing of our most at risk is the norm.

    2 – The politicians and health bureaucrats fucked up big time (ie – hotel quarantine, ships unloading infected passengers, using police to enforce health dictates on everybody NOT at risk to the exclusion of having at least one squad car at even one aged care facility) – Kelly doesn’t see the problem with this totally unrestrained bullshit.

    3 – Total failure of politicians and health bureaucrats to endorse the use of known early intervention multicombination drug therapy even for the clinically most at risk – Kelly doesn’t see this Emu dancing as problematic at best, or totally ignorantly and morally/ethically fucked up at worst.

    Shame on the MSM.

  43. covid ate my homework says:

    Kneel
    #3614340, posted on October 11, 2020 at 11:06 am

    Great piece. Battling a virus which has not as yet been isolated, and further diagnosing it with a test which it’s creator insisted must “never” be used to diagnose infectious diseases would appear to be either insane or sinister in it’s motivations. Absent any real evidence it would appear that SARS CoV-2 doesn’t exist.

    But then again I’m only an avid reader and not an eggspurt.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Generally, it’s been the Israelis killing Palestinians.

    What, like bombing pizza shops? Or murdering Olympic athletes?
    They’re still going at it too:

    Palestinians continue to incite terrorism and violence in school curriculum, says watchdog group (30 Sep)

    A Palestinian student in fourth grade opens his math book and is asked to count the number of martyrs in Palestinian uprisings based on an accompanying photograph of raised coffins at a mass funeral. A reading exercise with the letter “h” (hāʾ, ه) for first-graders includes the word shahid (“martyr”), placed in a list of other words that include hujum (“attack”) and harab (“run away”).

    These are just some of the real examples taken from Palestinian textbooks used to teach children in schools run by the Palestinian Authority and UNRWA, according to a recent study by the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se).

    Peace won’t occur until Palestinians love their children more than they hate J ews. Which side are you on Numbers?

  45. 1735099 says:

    It has not yet been seized upon by the left as a bludgeon

    So all the politicians (Morrison, Berejiklian, Marshall, etc), imposing pandemic restrictions in their constituencies are suddenly “of the Left”…..
    Only on Catallaxy.
    As for the lack of annual vehicle inspections, NSW is the only state requiring annual inspections over five years. With this exception Queensland is no different from other states.
    Annual inspections would help lower the road toll. In theory, they’re a good idea.

  46. 1735099 says:

    Which side are you on, Numbers?

    I’m not taking sides – just looking at the history.
    How many Israeli school children are taught about the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians after 1948?

  47. covid ate my homework says:

    Left/right bull crap. There’s just not enough room in either party for all the feckless and incompetent egomaniacs.

  48. Simon Morgan says:

    Donald Trump has been a source of great amusement for many years

    -I once opined this lady was worth her weight in gold over something or other. Little did I know she was just another of the unthinking drone like creatures that would have us believe they are journalists. Of the left it goes without saying.

    Bad show, Grace, bad show.

  49. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I’m not taking sides – just looking at the history.

    That’s most certainly not my impression from your comments on this thread.
    See 9:41am.
    Nakba is the “disaster” of Je wish survival.
    Palis have themselves to blame and no other.
    If Abbas had accepted Olmert’s offer there would’ve been peace on effective 1967 boundaries.
    The Palis rejected that.
    They still want to sweep the Je ws into the sea.
    Which side are you on Numbers?

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    How many Israeli school children are taught about the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians after 1948?

    How many Palestinian school children are taught that, during the Second World War, their (then) religious leader, the Grand Mufti of Jeruselum, visited Berlin, was given a guided tour of an extermination camp, had an interview with Adolf Hitler, and received a guarantee that, in the event of a Nazi victory “the Joos of Palestine will be yours?”

  51. candy says:

    Ms Kelly or someone close in her life may have some underlying medical condition that makes her more worried about the virus than others may be. Not sure she is making a political statement although she sounds a bit demeaning of the President.

    What can be done though? Apart from personal responsibility for health using masks, distancing, cleanliness, keeping fit and well. She looks robust and has a good job. That’s a positive for her.

  52. John A says:

    1735099 #3614339, posted on October 11, 2020, at 11:03 am

    How many more arabs do you want to kill?

    Generally, it’s been the Israelis killing Palestinians. Some (about one million) of them are Christians.

    Bull – twice over.

    According to your link, there are about half a million worldwide and only a tiny proportion actually in the putative “state of Palestine.” So your claim that one million have been killed by Israeli action is just fatuous.

    Most of the attacks upon them occurred under Arab domination or as the result of Arab actions (like the 1948 invasions). During the period of Israeli military rule, the number of Palestinian Christians actually increased. And Wikipedia is fairly leftist, including an anti-semitic bias.

  53. Lee says:

    And Wikipedia is fairly leftist, including an anti-semitic bias.

    Like Numbers.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    The Persecution of Christians in the Palestinian Authority (Begin-Sadat Centre, 2019)

    One guess who is perpetrating this persecution of Pali Christians.

  55. pat says:

    Tweet: Kulvinder Kaur MD, Physician. #Patient #HumanRights #CareNotCuts Advocate. Volunteer. President & CoFounder – Concerned Ontario Doctors @OnCall4ON

    Dr David Nabarro, WHO’s Special Envoy on COVID19: “Global catastrophe: doubling of poverty.. of child malnutrition. We really do appeal to all world leaders—stop using lockdowns.. Lockdowns just have one consequence: making poor people an awful lot poorer”
    VIDEO
    10 Oct 2020
    https://twitter.com/dockaurG/status/1314674197025693696

  56. MPH says:

    There’s more to living than simply avoiding dying. Most people have no comprehension of the risks they take in the course of normal life, and for everyone but a small easily identifiable subset the incremental risk from coronavirus is vanishingly small.

  57. pat says:

    behind paywall:

    7 Jul: UK Telegraph: ‘Build back better’ is a socialist trap for Boris, not a route to prosperity
    The Conservatives will never win by attempting to compete with Labour on big-state paternalism
    by PHILIP JOHNSTON
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/07/build-back-better-socialist-trap-boris-not-route-prosperity/

    following dated 19 May 2020, according to google result:

    350.org: Tell Boris Johnson: Build Back Better
    After lockdown ends, we can’t go back to the way things were before.
    We are calling on the UK government to deliver a coronavirus recovery plan that protects our public services, bails out communities instead of corporations, and delivers us a safe climate and thousands of good jobs with a Green New Deal.
    View the full petition text.
    https://act.350.org/sign/build-back-better-uk/

    21 Jul: CFact: Biden’s ‘Build Back Better’ plan hits reset button on Socialism
    By Larry Bell
    Al Gore, John Kerry, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., along with influential socialist United Nations cohorts, are leveraging COVID-19 chaos to advance a transformational “Great Reset” of capitalism.
    Climbing aboard the movement, Joe Biden’s campaign recently rolled out a new “Build Back Better” sloganeering bromide that may have already sounded familiar.

    Approximately three months earlier, on April 22, the U.N. announced, “As the world begins planning for a post-pandemic recovery, the United Nations is calling on Governments to seize the opportunity to “build back better” by creating more sustainable, resilient and inclusive societies.”
    U.N. Climate Change Executive Secretary Patricia Espinosa further explained, “With this restart, a window of hope and opportunity opens… an opportunity for nations to green their recovery packages and shape the 21st century economy in ways that are clean, green, healthy, safe and more resilient.”

    In June, a meeting hosted by the World Economic Forum (WEF) attended by some of the planet’s most powerful government officials and business leaders called upon using climate change alarmism and coronavirus pandemic disruption to implement an expansively radical plan to establish increasingly socialist policies including global wealth taxes, aggressive social justice regulations, and massive Green New Deal-like climate-premised anti-fossil fuel government programs.

    Participants at WEF’s virtual internet event included Prince Charles, one of the plan’s primary proponents; Gina Gopinath, chief economist at the International Monetary Fund; U.N. Secretary General António Guterres; CEOs and presidents of major international corporations, such as Microsoft, Mastercard and BP; and representatives from Greenpeace International and other activist groups.
    As articulated by WEF’s Founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab, “Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. . . In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”…

    Referring to the coronavirus pandemic, Prince Charles told WEF meeting attendees, “We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this crisis — its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change.”…

    WEF plans to follow up the June meeting with another in 2021 that will promote and coordinate their agenda with a large youth activist organization called the “Global Shapers Community” (GSC) with chapters in 400 cities around the world.

    GSC, in turn, has close ties to Al Gore’s “Climate Reality Project,” which has already trained more than 1,300 global shapers in climate activism. Gore, who also serves on WEF’s Board of Trustees, has a vast network of climate activists of his own — the “Climate Reality Leadership Corps.”

    His organization launched highly publicized world-wide “climate strikes” last year.
    Although Gore didn’t attend the June WEF meeting, he strongly endorsed the Great Reset during a June 19 interview with NBC’s “Today.”
    John Kerry, who did attend the meeting, has joined WEF in leveraging the coronavirus crisis as an opportunity to advance Green New Deal policies.
    “This is a big moment,” Kerry said. “The World Economic Forum . . . is really going to have to play a front and center role in refining the Great Reset to deal with climate change and inequity — all of which is being laid bare as a consequence of COVID-19.”…

    Please be very aware that “build back better” is much more than simply another empty, mindless campaign slogan. Remember where it came from, what it really means, who is promoting it, and where it will take America.
    It’s not to a place that we should ever wish to go.
    https://www.cfact.org/2020/07/21/bidens-build-back-better-plan-hits-reset-button-on-socialism/

    and the LOCKDOWNS played a crucial role in preparing the ground, assisted all the while by the FakeNewsMSM of all “stripes”.

  58. covid ate my homework says:

    pat
    #3614606, posted on October 11, 2020 at 4:08 pm

    Unbelievable!!! The richest people on the planet want to re-imagine capitalism? No, they want to re-imagine freedom. Slavery is the the new freedom. Equality means everyone has nothing, except for them. When they get their “Great Reset” it will be the beginning of the blood fest and open slather on the kiddies.

    We need to get the global population down to 500,000,000, do the right thing for Mother Earth and die.

  59. 1735099 says:

    So your claim that one million have been killed by Israeli action is just fatuous.

    What I wrote –

    Generally, it’s been the Israelis killing Palestinians. Some (about one million) of them are Christians.

    What you claim I wrote –

    The Israelis killed a million Palestinians.

    Verballed again.
    It’s a daily occurence.

  60. Kneel:

    “severe”, not “sever” – I’m sure you all realise. Damn typos!

    Don’t sweat it Kneel – we just blame digits – it’s a form of dyslexic osmosis. It eventually gets through to everyone. Just don’t mention the word “Vietman” and you’ll be safe.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    What I wrote

    We know what you wrote Numbers.
    I want to know whether you think Trump’s Abraham Accords are a good thing or not.
    You’ve been evading that question all day.
    Which is a tell.

  62. Kneel says:

    “Donald Trump has been a source of great amusement for many years”

    Indeed.
    Not himself, but the reaction to him – most amusing. Leftie heads exploding everywhere because they finally face a “rightie” that won’t fold and hits back. About effing time someone did it…

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