Doctors Warn


 
Via PJW. This just in: CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks.
 
This week we’ve learned that not only are lockdowns and masks epidemiologically useless but they kill people.

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77 Responses to Doctors Warn

  1. egg_

    WARNING: CMO’s are a Health Hazard!

  2. Herodotus

    Once more our politicians do epic fail on technicalities.
    No good on energy, no good on info infrastructure, no good on water management and dams, no good on climate scare, no good on virus scare.

  3. Megan

    Once more our politicians do epic fail on technicalities.
    No good on energy, no good on info infrastructure, no good on water management and dams, no good on climate scare, no good on virus scare.

    And absolutely useless on data analysis.

  4. calli

    While the study notes that some of these people may have contracted the virus from the few moments that they removed their mask to eat or drink at “places that offer on-site eating or drinking,” the CDC concedes that there is no successful way to evaluate if that was the exact moment someone became exposed and contracted the virus.

    I’ll have a shot at it.

    When they took off their mask to eat or drink, touched the outside of the mask and didn’t clean their hands before ramming food into their faces.

    I have been watching mask wearers carefully for weeks now. Biden, Credlin, Pelosi are the ones who spring to mind because they’re on the news, but anyone up at the shops will do. They never stop touching and adjusting their masks. Do they wash their hands afterwards? No. The mask is the magic talisman that wards off the plague, except that it is actually a surface where the virus will naturally reside.

    Pleasing to see the graph on “deaths” above rather than the ridiculous “cases” mumbo jumbo. What’s going on here? Spain and the Czech Republic suddenly recording many more deaths – where are those deaths occurring and exactly who is dying?

  5. Mark M

    Fresh Shepparton china flu outbreak: further evidence of the failures of Dan Andrews’s response.

  6. notafan

    Are mask wearers dying or is the disease still creeping into Spanish nursing homes.

  7. notafan

    People who are vulnerable should avoid crowds and wash their hands. Masks in restaurants is stupid beyond belief.

  8. Most people, when they go out, tend to use the same mask for some time (I’ve never changed mine), when they shop they pick up items with their hands, then pack them into the same reusable shopping bags, take the bags home and unpack. How many times during that process do they scrub their hands with hand cleaner? How many times is there the opportunity for the virus to transfer to the person? How long can the virus linger on the product packaging etc?

  9. RobK

    Calli,
    I’ll have a shot at it.

    There is that, and a poorly fitting mask has leaks yet cause the wearer to breathe heavier and deeper, causing more contaminants to pass the natural traps in the airways.

  10. notafan

    Shepparton.

    Might explain multicultural comments by Dan Brett yesterday.

    Persistent community outbreaks in certain demographic since hotels quarantine outbreak got ball rolling.

    Exempted from all penalties imposed on proles.
    The rest of us taking personal responsibility or punished with never-ending lockdown.
    Just stop it, they won’t.

  11. notafan

    Hand sanitizer on entry and exit from supermarket, that’s what works.

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  13. notafan

    Starting point in Shepparton 30 September. Being told about it today 14 October.

    Nice work Victoria track and trace.

  14. Bruce

    Local LSM ranting about this again today.

    “Lockdowns are a simple political “solution” to a still not-fully understood phenomenon. A “simple solition” that fits nicely with the totalitarian tendencies of the simple minds of most of the political class, elected or otherwise.

    Absolutely consistent with their love of collective punishment.

    Apparently, even hopelessly politicized bodies like the CDC and WHO are starting to have doubts about lockdowns; the science is “in” then it changes, so “new science” is in and so on.

    Never mind the “second wave” of a still poorly understood bug, watch out for the second wave of “government”, conveniently timed for an election or two.

    Cynical? Moi?

  15. Boxcar

    But we’re all wearing face muzzles. How can we get it?

    Anyway this is all nothing but minutiae, chookfeed for the masses.
    Andrews is playing his version of Trump’s 3D chess, ie 3D chinese checkers.
    His “team” is only checking what other politicians are up to, and getting away with

  16. Cynic of A

    Calli:
    I have been watching mask wearers carefully for weeks now. Biden, Credlin, Pelosi are the ones who spring to mind because they’re on the news, but anyone up at the shops will do. They never stop touching and adjusting their masks. Do they wash their hands afterwards? No. The mask is the magic talisman that wards off the plague, except that it is actually a surface where the virus will naturally reside.
    An extremely valid hypothesis, I suspect.
    It’d be interesting to know what protocols the medical profession (outside the U.N.), who use masks extensively in surgery etc. I.E. are nurses new to the masks, instructed to keep their hands off the masks? Granted, the masks they use don’t seem to need constant adjustment. Maybe just hanging a piece of rag off the ears is insufficient, compared to a tight mask tied firmly around the head.

  17. Ozman

    Australian scientists: Dead virus can survive on mobile phone for up to 28 days. Beware!
    A dead fly lies on window sill for 28 days. Beware!
    Maggots!

    The conventional test used to detect SARS-CoV-2 is the polymerase chain reaction test or PCR test. However, there are technical limitations to the test. It cannot distinguish whether the virus in the patient is alive or dead.

    Fruit fly season in Shepparton?
    Or too much inhalation of exhaled CO2 due to wearing masks?
    Wrong, problem is Climate Change!
    Ask Greta.
    How dare you!

  18. Mother Lode

    This is actually quite counter-intuitive. Even a poorly fitting mask would be more of a barrier to surrounding air than none.

    And yet there it is.

    Whether it is baffling of airflow due to the mask meaning breathing in harder and drawing air deeper in the lungs, or the use of masks leading to fewer precautions otherwise, I do not know – although the latter seems unlikely since the people wearing masks are always pressing themselves against the wall to avoid other people, and so frenetic with antiseptic lotions that they resemble flies combing their eyes and their front legs against each other.

    But what is really weird is that of all world leaders the famously germaphobic Trump was disinclined to wear masks and it seems not wearing them fares better.

    Expect the NYT to denounce Trump on the grounds that, being the most reviled man on the whole planet, his decision to not wear a mask would naturally and predictably driven other people to wear them and hence become sick.

  19. Bruce

    BTW, here is the WHO on the subject.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/11/who-condemns-lockdowns-coronavirus/

    Their celestial puppeteers must have bee out for wontons when this got out.

  20. Fair Shake

    Supermarkets remove disposable shopping bags. 18 months later catastrophe (or a bad flu).
    # I stand by disposable bags

  21. Matt

    Interesting crop of the x axis from only 31 July when the first article linked is from 1 Apr.
    The Shepp outbreak is a real concern if the first potential contact was 30 Sept – but possibly more likely is that the individual was symptomatic but didn’t test until 8 Oct, given one of the spots listed of concern is a medical centre on that day. Still too long from potential testing on 8 Oct, likely notification of result on 9 Oct to identification of the cluster and risk locations.

  22. mundi

    If you go back to march/april all the CMOs were saying don’t wear a mask because it just causes you to touch your face more, which is the real way you get infected.

    Infancy CMOs have flipped on almost everything.

    My guess is that at first they were trying to follow science, but politics and power got to them.

    The vic cmo has come off the deep end now with his comments about how melb households are different than sydney households etc.

  23. Twostix

    Masks – in so far as they’re worn by the slob general public, are like sticking the soggy old kitchen sponge over your mouth and breathing through that, touching it all day, not washing your hands after touching it, etc.

    The also force air you breath directly past your tear ducts, and force you to breathe through your mouth instead of your (natural filter) your nose.

    .

  24. Bruce

    @ mundi:

    “The vic cmo….”

    More like the Vic EMO.

  25. notafan

    I think you are wrong Matt.

    One of his contacts in Shepparton far more liklely to have attended doctors on 8th

    Why would tyre company rep spend over a week in Shepparton

  26. Leo G

    Why should a wearer who fails to consistently apply the strict protocols prescribed for the use of surgical masks expect a reduction in infection risk?
    After all, masks are fomites- they are a medium through which the virus may be transmitted.
    Masks can marginally attenuate transient virion counts, but most people infected appear to have a relatively long period of contact with the source of their infection. It appears that innate immunity provided a strong defence against transient exposure, but much less so against sustained exposure to lower concentrations.

  27. notafan

    Vic traveller infected waitress pretty obvious not mask while eating, infected employee at Shepparton tyre shop, presumably lengthy contact

  28. calli

    The person stopped at a cafe for breakfast, infecting a staff member, and sparking a new cluster that has now grown to at least six cases.

    This is the stuff that has me scratching my head.

    You can have people cheek by jowl and not be infected, but buy a coffee? Something’s missing here. Exactly how was the staff member infected? Was it a sneeze, a coffee cup or a pash?

  29. duncanm

    That chart is misleading. Cumulative deaths per capita is a more instructive metric:

  30. duncanm

    This just in: CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks.

    yeh – but the numbers don’t conclude that. They conclude that masks are useless, not unsafe.

    70% (108) of those who contracted covid wore masks “always”.
    74% (118) of those in the control who didn’t contract covid wore masks “always”.

    ie: wearing a mask does nothing.

  31. Matt

    Reporting links to Chadstone cluster for the Shepp cluster

  32. notafan

    He didn’t just buy a coffee, he sat down and had a meal.

  33. duncanm

    Was it a sneeze, a coffee cup or a pash?

    passing of change ? Sounds very much that its touch and surfaces.

    This is what I don’t get about the whole covid thing. We’re 9 months into a world-wide pan(ic)demic, but there’s no clear directions or statement given to the public about exactly how its transmitted.

    Just vague guidance on every possible means – direct contact, surfaces, coughing, droplets.

  34. Matt

    notafan – ‘Why would tyre company rep spend over a week in Shepparton’ – for the nightlife?

  35. notafan

    Yes. Links very clear if you read both ABC article from today and the earlier on on Chadstone/Kilmore.

  36. Matt

    Which points to a monumental (again) failure of contact tracing.

  37. notafan

    Have you been to Shepparton Matt?

    There is no evidence he stayed for any length of time and besides presumably being an employee would have continued to work. He’s been publicly chastised for illegally having breakfast in Kilmore.

  38. notafan

    Yes the contract tracing is the big issue.

    The only person culpable in the chain appears to be the cleaner who was living with people known to be sick with covid19 who continued to work until told not to by police.

    No excuses, generous government payments on offer to stay home.

  39. MACK

    Of the 38 US states mandating masks, 11 saw a reduction in cases over the following month, and 27 showed an increase or no change.
    Masks are 1. virtue signalling and 2. a mechanism to get the peasants to turn on each other.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.06.20208033v1 (Paper title is completely misleading)

  40. Matt

    Yeah – grew up around there. Maybe I should have added /sarc

  41. Delta

    Here’s a nice short video on why masks don’t work. Actually I sent it to my dentist a month ago when he was seeking “permission” from State health services to provide urgent dental surgery for an Interstate truck driver. He was unsuccessful. Just one of the no-doubt unintended consequences of the politician induced dystopia.

    The video – Doctor Ted Noel, an anesthesiologist with 36 years experience wearing masks in operating rooms explains why masks don’t work.

  42. notafan

    Okay Matt good to know 🙂

  43. Leo G

    yeh – but the numbers don’t conclude that. They conclude that masks are useless, not unsafe.

    At least 20% of the US population exposed to the virus never wear masks, but fewer than 4% of COVID-19 cases involve people who never wear masks.

  44. Matt

    Just listening to the head of contact tracing talking about the case now. Seems like they knew he went from Kilmore to Benalla visiting tyre businesses. Wonder why they weren’t able to get records of his entire travel history for that trip that would have identified Shepparton at the time, rather than it now being disclosed after people have tested positive.

  45. Bad Samaritan

    All the fart-arseing around for no reason whatsoever….forget arguing about esoteric unimportant details…

    The alleged-virus only affects feeble folk who are about to die. Nursing homes in Oz: “Most residents (91 per cent) will die there, 40 per cent of them within the first nine months,

    96% of deaths in Oz are in nursing homes = we all know the residents are put there to die and ASAP. Family etc do not want the hassle of watching them 24/7 at home so they put them in nursing homes where they then “obligingly” do die. Many families etc have even been demanding they be put down (assisted to die) to speed it up a little more.

    Up here in Qld, the govt got so desperate for Covid19 deaths they were locking down towns and testing thousands on the basis that a very sick terminally-ill bloke in Blackwater didn’t die of it, FFS!

    Put a tanker load of covid19 into the water-supply for Melbourne, and SFA will happen. It’s all BS!

  46. Steve

    Hmm…the new Justice of the US Supreme Court , both her and her husband had cov19 over summer…but now back at work.

    Ho hum….

    Masks are all about power, nothing to do with medicine……like the cholesterol myth…like vaccines…..

    *yawn*

  47. notafan

    Matt

    I’m guessing

    Contact tracers are dumb.

  48. Damon

    I’ll have another shot at it. There was a wonderful new clip of Biden pulling down his mask, coughing into his hand, then readjusting his mask, with the same hand!

  49. notafan

    That’s not the issue BS.

    The issue is the requirements to lift lockdown in Victoria are onerous and it is abysmal government contract tracing that is the problem.

    We are being crushed by an incompetent vainglorious government.

  50. Interesting crop of the x axis from only 31 July when the first article linked is from 1 Apr.

    Exactly. Currency Lad used to have a brain, but it atrophied years ago.

  51. twostix

    Poor m0nty.

    Now quote the “stats”(tm) on 74 year old Trump’s chances of survival again.

    🤣

  52. Steve

    notafan

    Its a game that cant be won….like the Leftist game of “microagressions”….

    The game is this – base the lifting of restrictions on a virus that is highly infrctious but not dangerous. Put the state into lockdown, promising to lift restrictions when infections ( which we, the public, are never shown the raw infection data and whether they are flat out lying to us….I suspect they are…)

    And so Victoriastan is being constantly kidney punched, while kept in never ending headlock, by OberFuhrer….

    This is how its played.

    The ultimate aim to to keep the population jerked about on a power-trip whim and held hostage in this sick little game they are playing….or so it appears

    The ultimate aim is putting a control grid in place whereby they can put a choker around your neck ( so to speak ) and pull it tight whenever they damn well like …then use a mental abuse and BrownPol / Fingermen thuggery to keep the population under control…and of course doctors are saints and can never be questioned….and you will get finger wagging from sincere middle aged people who tut tut you for questioning Dear Leader and his crew……

    Victoria appears to be in a permenant, abusive relationship….as long as Dear Leader is in power.

    Thoughts?

  53. Matt

    ‘Contact tracers are dumb.’

    It’s hard to know, but there have clearly been problems with contact tracing throughout for Victoria that don’t seem to be apparent in NSW.

  54. notafan

    Agree.
    I have no solution other that legal action or labor party turn on dear leader.

  55. Trump had an 80% chance to live, and he pulled through. Good for him. Now he is fit as a fiddle and ready to receive a massive electoral smashing, in particular with seniors who don’t like his idea of leaving them to die by their thousands to choke in their own bodily fluids.

  56. Bronson

    Monty off with the pixies again. Yes we all know you have TDS. You don’t have to keep confirming you’re a loon every time you post, it’s a given.
    So what about the post at hand? Sweden no lock down, social distancing, protection of the vulnerable economy not dead versus lockdown, social distancing no protection of the vulnerable, especially in Victoria, and a dead economy. Now we also have a million mental health inquiries to boot across Straya . Great outcome, lots of dead people, no jobs for those alive and growing mental health problems. Success I think not.

  57. Leo G

    Now he is fit as a fiddle and ready to receive a massive electoral smashing, in particular with seniors who don’t like his idea of leaving them to die by their thousands to choke in their own bodily fluids.

    m0nty’s zombie Democrat apocalypse nightmare- thousands of old progressivist voters huddled together, dying alone, then choking in their bathwater.

  58. Matt

    How many more people does Dan have to throw under the bus before his own party turns on him?
    I wonder if the supercomputer has done that modelling yet?

  59. calli

    It was my understanding that Trump was working to make the same cocktail of drugs he recieved as President available to everyone who needed them FOC.

    Why would anyone resent that? He has given the elderly hope simply by recovering so well.

    Unless hope frightens them. For some it might be preferable to hold onto hatred.

  60. John Brumble

    CL

    I went to ourworldindata.org and tried to recreate that graph.

    Firstly, it’s not honest at all to use those dates. Very clearly, the issue with Sweden is much earlier in the year. I do believe that Sweden did the right thing, but covering over the sharp bit doesn’t do the case any favors.

    Secondly, I couldn’t re-create that graph. Your plot is significantly smoother. How do I go about re-creating that chart?

  61. flyingduk

    The alleged-virus only affects feeble folk who are about to die. Nursing homes in Oz: “Most residents (91 per cent) will die there, 40 per cent of them within the first nine months,”

    wow, that is an amazing number, and if true, means on average we clean out the nursing homes every 2 years. It also means the ‘dry tinder’ reaccumulates very fast, meaning if COVID becomes endemic, we can expect to repeat the current panic annually, albeit with only 1/2 the deaths. Do you have a source for the data ?

  62. duncanm

    Secondly, I couldn’t re-create that graph. Your plot is significantly smoother. How do I go about re-creating that chart?

    7-day rolling average ?

    Here’s a direct link to the graph.

  63. duncanm

    m0nty
    #3617607, posted on October 14, 2020 at 10:03 am
    Interesting crop of the x axis from only 31 July when the first article linked is from 1 Apr.

    Exactly. Currency Lad used to have a brain, but it atrophied years ago.

    Ok, here’s the same graph without any time truncation.

    Doesn’t look any worse for Sweden, really.

    But as I said above, the real data to be looked at is cumulative deaths per capita.

  64. twostix

    choke in their own bodily fluids

    M0nty – a weird and awkward antisocial shut-in is creepily obsessed with old people. It’s always “Nonna”, “choking on bodily fluids”, two seconds on Google shows m0nty bringing himself to climax in a bunch of threads at the thought over the last six months, here’s preview:

    Brave to sit idly by and watch Nonna choke on her own bodily fluids! Courageous to condemn people who aren’t him to a grisly and agonising death! M0nty,

    just let ‘er rip and say goodbye to your grannies before they choke to death on their own bodily fluids.

    The PM followed this quack’s advice; surely there is a qualified … have a lungs filled with their own bodily fluids, choking Nonnas everywhere, …

    Put together, that’s just fucking weird m0nty.

  65. Put together, it is the main reason why Trump is getting his arse kicked. Revenge of the Nonnas is at hand.

  66. Tim Neilson

    m0nty
    #3617831, posted on October 14, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    What about the fat turds? Fat turds are a high risk group as well! Trump may be polling badly among the fat turd demographic because without a lockdown they’d have to lay off the donuts and get on the exercise bike to reduce their risk factor.
    Fat Turds’ Lives Matter! #[email protected]

  67. Bruce

    “Bodily fluids”?

    Perhaps monty has watched Dr. Strangelove too many times.

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