Pell money trail: AUSTRAC gives ‘information’ to VicPol, Feds

Would AUSTRAC bother if there is nothing conceivably actionable involved?

The financial crimes regulator has passed information to police about allegations of money being transferred from the Vatican in relation to the trial of Cardinal George Pell.

The High Court quashed Cardinal Pell’s child sexual abuse convictions earlier this year.

Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells used a Senate Estimates hearing to ask AUSTRAC chief executive Nicole Rose about media reports that hundreds of thousands of euros had been transferred “allegedly from Vatican funds to person or persons in Australia”.

“Yes I can confirm AUSTRAC has looked into the matter and we’ve provided information to the AFP (Australian Federal Police) and to Victoria Police,” Ms Rose told the committee.

Ms Rose said they were the only agencies AUSTRAC had referred the matter to…

Earlier this month, Italian newspapers reported unsubstantiated allegations that Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu was suspected of wiring 700,000 euros, equivalent to $1.14 million, to Australia to help secure evidence against Cardinal Pell in his sexual abuse trial.

The ABC has not been able to independently verify the allegations.

 
Thankfully, the AFP has also been advised. This at least ensures the briefing isn’t misrepresented by VicPol.

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44 Responses to Pell money trail: AUSTRAC gives ‘information’ to VicPol, Feds

  1. feelthebern

    The ABC has not been able to independently verify the allegations.

    I look forward to the ABC using this line in every story about Donald Trump.

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    The High Court quashed Cardinal Pell’s child sexual abuse convictions earlier this year.

    This sentence in that story seems to have something missing — Oh I see — I think this sets out the thrashing of the ABC’s Penalise Pell Project – The High Court resoundingly quashed Cardinal Pell’s child sexual abuse convictions earlier this year in a 7-0 judgment.

  3. John Comnenus

    Would that be the same AFP that determined that a fire at the Australian Christian Association HQ was not a crime before any forensics were conducted and before conducting an investigation? Whilst it’s good that AUSTRAC provided the information to more than one law enforcement agency, I’m not holding my breath for a hated conservative Christian Catholic Cardinal to get any justice in Australia. And in the end the matter will probably go back to the Victorian Judiciary and the Victorian Bar. How anyone can have any confidence in those two bodies to conduct itself impartially after its conduct in thePell matter and now he Hotel Quarantining inquiry?

  4. Pete D.

    The ABC has not been able to independently verify the allegations
    Shouldn’t that read ” The ABC is incapable of independently verifying the allegations”?

  5. Entropy

    The ABC is not interested in verifying the allegations.

  6. Up The Workers!

    Not much point in giving the info to the A.L.P.’s blind, deaf, dumb, bought and bent VicPol.

    The A.L.P.’s current “Chief Commissioner of Head-Stomping, Granny-Bashing and Revenue-Gouging” was previously the Internationally-renowned Chief of the A.L.P.’s “Get Pell Squad” and was only rewarded with his current promotion after the sterling A.L.P.-style work he did in applying the Scotland Yard Forensic discipline of the “Carl Beech Forensic Technique” to lock up a totally innocent man for 405 days – without either apology or compensation – for an alleged “crime” that never, ever happened.

    He’ll probably fly over to Rome again and attempt to arrest Cardinal Pell once again for being on the receiving end of Becciu’s dirty cash.

    If there is one thing the A.L.P. ritually do, it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

    And when are we going to see the full investigation and prosecutions over the 258,000 separate instances of criminal fraud within the A.L.P.’s VicPol over the 258,000 alleged Breath-Tests which were fraudulently recorded, but never performed?

    Or is 258,000 individual fraud- crimes within the A.L.P.’s own VicPol hierarchy, an insufficient number for them to bother about while they are all out granny-bashing, head-stomping and bouncing mentally-ill people off the bonnets of speeding A.L.P. Police Cars?

  7. feelthebern

    Interesting points.
    It’s not mentioned which bank in Australia provided the information, if any.
    Also, in the two largest settled cases in Australian history for AML breaches:
    1) Westpac (self reported);
    2) Comm Bank (HSBC dobbed them in);
    The information went from bank/banks => AUSTRAC => AFP => & then to other agencies like the NSW police & most importantly, the ATO.
    Why would AUSTRAC give information directly to VicPol?
    Highly irregular.

  8. Rafiki

    Feeltheburn
    Maybe because Austrac considers that at least some potentially criminal activities lie outside the AFP’s remit? That VicPol is notified earlier than usual might suggest some urgency?

  9. Carpe Jugulum

    What did Louise 7-Milligan know

    And when did she know it

  10. Entropy

    That’s Louise 7-Nilligan to you, Carpe.

  11. feelthebern

    rafiki, when Westpac told AUSTRAC about their tech issue that impacted 20mill transactions, it took AUSTRAC 8 months to even reply.
    So speed isn’t a KPI at AUSTRAC.
    Something stinks.

  12. Terry

    ‘it took AUSTRAC 8 months to even reply.’…
    …with, “Well, why did you tell us?”
    “Now, we gotta do some work.”

  13. Suburban Boy

    feelthebern, there is no need for a bank to give info to Austrac specific to a suspect transaction (“SUSTRANS” in the jargon).

    Austrac would instead look at all transaction reports where the sender or receiver is a person identified as such by the Vatican whistleblower. Those transaction reports are generated automatically and sent to Austrac by all banks, and then Austrac mines the data for relevant details.

  14. Leigh Lowe

    The ABC fervently hopes this doesn’t go where we think it might. has not been able to independently verify the allegations.

  15. Leigh Lowe

    Rafiki

    #3626741, posted on October 21, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Feeltheburn
    Maybe because Austrac considers that at least some potentially criminal activities lie outside the AFP’s remit? That VicPol is notified earlier than usual might suggest some urgency? …

    … to help the recipients get their stories straight.

  16. Ubique

    If the information doesn’t fit the ABC’s preconceived judgement of Pell as guilty, the ABC will ignore it and act as if it doesn’t exist.

  17. Ubique

    Speed isn’t a KPI at AUSTRAC

    Fair suck of the saveloy. They’re very busy with training on transgender rights, climate change and social justice. Building the float and getting the costumes ready for the Mardis Gras also takes up a lot of time.

  18. Terry

    Is there any doubt that the same Deep-State, that has the USA bound and gagged with a gun to its head, is alive and well and operating within impunity throughout the Australian Kleptocracy?

  19. H B Bear

    Fatty Ashton’s Flying Circus has packed up the Big Top and deployed the clown cars against ordinary citizens. They have always been easier targets.

  20. nb

    The only thing VicPol will do with the information is check that the amount sent matches that received by the intended beneficiaries. ‘Count the money, Mr Corleone.’

  21. DaveR

    AUSTRAC has probably given some of the information to VicPol because they have identified the prima facie destination of some of the cash was Victoria. Thats a little odd given the Australian nunciature and the gates to be “repaired” are in Canberra. Thank goodness they gave the information to AFP as well, which will keep VicPol “honest” in this matter.

    And also, the claims of cash transfers to Australia were originally reported as

    numerous bank transfers, including one amounting to 700,000 euros

    More than the Eu700,000 often quoted.

  22. Dot

    700 bottles of Ziti. To fix a hinge on a gate.

    They should have closed the lights.

  23. C.L.

    The organisation I suspect might be involved is based in Victoria.

  24. cuckoo

    Thank goodness they gave the information to AFP as well, which will keep VicPol “honest” in this matter.

    We can hope. If there is information that is in any way exculpatory to Pell and adverse to his accusers, Vicpol would have it at the bottom of Port Phillip Bay by now.

  25. cuckoo

    ABC will be right onto this as soon as they finish their indepth coverage of Hunter Biden’s laptop

  26. Matt

    Ita, time for you to do something to restore balance at your ABC.

    we are waiting……

  27. Roger

    Would AUSTRAC bother if there is nothing conceivably actionable involved?

    And another thing…would the Vatican have waived (presumably) diplomatic immunity in regard to the accounts and records if there was nothing to see here?

    Meanwhile, what has happened tot he Papal Nuncio to Australia, Archbishop Tito? Nothing has been heard of him for two weeks…so many questions, few people asking them.

  28. yarpos

    Must have caused a stir down at Austrac, something to do.

  29. incoherent rambler

    ensures the briefing isn’t misrepresented by VicPol.

    Are you saying that the AFP is less corrupt than vicpol?
    hohohohoho

  30. feelthebern

    The snail joke about the wharfie can be applied to AUSTRAC.

  31. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Tinta,

    The High Court resoundingly quashed Cardinal Pell’s child sexual abuse convictions earlier this year in a 7-0 judgment

    The High Court’s 7-0 judgement earlier this year resoundingly quashed Cardinal Pell’s child sexual abuse convictions asserting the significant possibility that an innocent man had been convicted.

    “There is a significant possibility that an innocent person has been convicted because the evidence did not establish guilt to the requisite standard of proof,” the full bench of seven judges said in their judgment’

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/high-court-hands-down-george-pell-decision/3792dfd2-6533-4bc2-aaba-987f18c9d24a

  32. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Dot is that you, or is that another .😀

  33. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3626877, posted on October 21, 2020 at 9:21 am

    The organisation I suspect might be involved is based in Victoria.

    Oh?
    Hints at location?
    Regional or Melbourne?

  34. notafan

    Austrac sends reports to all identified agencies who potentially have an interest and Suburban Boy is correct.

    Some money must have come to Victoria directly.

  35. Professor Fred Lenin

    Just wondering if the recipients of the Vatican bribe money for the fit up,was declared to the ATO ?
    Mention was made of the USDeep State, ,the corruption there makes ours look like petty theft ,even Hawke and Keating look like pikers compared to Biden ,Clintons and Obama , although Rudds missus gets into the top league.
    You cant really blame Paedo Joe for putting a little aside for his old age .
    As for the Democrims ,they are so full of crap Jerry Nadler craps his pants ! How he can face the Cogress after shitting his pants there shows the brass of these crims no self awareness at all .

  36. Tintarella di Luna

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3626978, posted on October 21, 2020 at 10:40 am

    Indeed and will we see the truth though the heavens fall or will it be strangled by constipated process.

  37. C.L.

    Fred, I don’t believe the money was for straight-out bribery – of witnesses or police.
    The original claim in the Italian press was that it was meant to “muddy” the situation the Cardinal was in by facilitating (via ‘donations’) those involved in the anti-Pell noise machine. Now, these people are indeed in contact with witnesses and would be capable of sharing some of that cash – as philanthropy, if not as bribery. Police would need to examine the transactions that may have followed the Vatican transfer, in other words, to rule out anything grossly unethical or illegal.

  38. John Comnenus

    C.L.

    That wouldn’t be an organisation in Geelong that is connected to very senior ALP members?

  39. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Indeed and will we see the truth though the heavens fall or will it be strangled by constipated process

    Tinta,
    y’know it gets to a point that the story becomes too big to be stopped, even by process.

    7-0
    Pell with the status of a diplomat and international person of consequence
    questions over the transfer of monies through international channels
    the (possible) involvement of media financed by government
    the abject failure of the Victorian Court of Appeal to do its job
    the touting for business by VicPol

    Someone will write a book about this but in the meantime a full inquiry needs to occur – Christian Porter, come on down.

  40. Suburban Boy

    C.L.

    #3626877, posted on October 21, 2020 at 9:21 am

    The organisation I suspect might be involved is based in Victoria.

    Any possibility it is in Keele Street, Collingwood?

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    7 April 2020 was a beautiful day.

  42. Jock

    I would have thought the full resources of vic police were dedicated to arresting small pregnant women in their pyjamas in front of their children. Surely the heinous crime of supporting deadly anti lockdown miscreants deserves jail and perhaps worse …..except of course if you are at the cox plate. I generally support the work police do but I loathe vicpol.

  43. Squirrel

    The ABC obviously hopes that half-interested (at best) members of the public will be left with the impression that the money was sent to fund Pell’s defence, not to hound him.

    They’re as keen to report this as they were to report that they had voted to give themselves a taxpayer-funded pay rise while others are losing their jobs, their businesses and their homes.

  44. TigrantiDelicto

    The ABC report above cited states:

    ‘ “Yes I can confirm AUSTRAC has looked into the matter and we’ve provided information to the AFP (Australian Federal Police) and to Victoria Police,” Ms Rose told the committee.

    Ms Rose said they were the only agencies AUSTRAC had referred the matter to.’

    The later claim attributed to Ms Rose goes strictly to the question as to what “agencies” AUSTRAC itself has formally informed.

    On the basis of subsequent media reports dated later on Wednesday 21 October – among which are one each by the ABC and the Guardian – the AFP has purportedly: (i) “confirmed” it received “information” from AUSTRAC and is “reviewing it”; and also that (ii) it has “concurrently referred *aspects* of the matter” [my italics] to Victoria’s IBAC.

    If true, the AFP’s proceeding relatively quickly from (i) to (ii), seems to raise the possibility that aspects of the information indicated to the AFP at least ex facie that a State agency with jurisdiction to investigate “corruption” allegations involving State officials (as distinct from lay witnesses, citizens generally, etc) ought be apprised of the information for the purposes of determining whether its own statutory jurisdiction may be enlivened.

    It’s unclear whether a “concurrent” referral would involve anything more than voluntary information-sharing (assuming there be no bar to such sharing).

    Thus, Victoria Police – having been informed directly by AUSTRAC of “information” – would, I take it, now at least assume that IBAC has been informed mediately and independently by the AFP of “aspects” of the information directly communicated to it [VicPol].

    At a minimum, Vic Pol can’t assume no agency – Federal and (perhaps more importantly) State – will not have grounds to peer over its shoulder, so to speak.

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