Trump v Biden Debate Open Thread

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  1. C.L.

    I think Biden’s sundowning. He’s starting to do that thing where he can’t name names or specific objects and starts just saying “the thing” and “the whatsit” and “the who-now.”

    Come on, man!

    – Ace.

  2. feelthebern

    This morning Trump at 2.75, I had a nibble.
    Currently 2.65.
    @ Ladbrokes.

  3. Some History

    Biden: Zero emissions by 2025??

  4. Oh come on

    Put the tape on the record player!!

  5. Tom

    Joe’s got his global warmening talking points mixed up. Totally incoherent.

  6. Oh come on

    A record player in every pot!

  7. Bear Necessities

    3 days off the trail for this performance?

    Will they let out again in the next 11 days?

  8. mindfree

    Stole my thunder there SH…..2025 FMD – why didn’t Trump pick him up on that though or did he really need to?

  9. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Oh dear, Joe endorsing carbon capture and storage.
    Joe not good on thermodynamics.
    It’s past Joe’s bedtime.

    And now Joe is from Delaware, not Scranton.

  10. Woolfe

    Joe going to close refineries

  11. Oh come on

    And Cornpop gave up cigarettes he didn’t need em cos of the smoky air.

  12. Colonel Crispin Berka

    WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? says the moderator!

  13. Oh come on

    Biden’s people are all NO JOE STOP NOW STOOOPPPP

  14. flyingduk

    boom… 2025, 2035, which??

  15. mh

    Biden will transition from oil to windmills.

    Fracking hell.

  16. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Biden is ga ga like his policies or more to the point, lack of policies, but that moderator female is heavily on his side. Let’s hope that there are enough sane electors out there to give Trump another four years.

  17. Joanna

    Joe’s going to demand China adhere to the Paris climate agreement. Yeah, sure Joe.

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Endorsed by every environment and labour group, says Joe. Oh .. OK.

    Trump wind is useless and high emissions, solar can’t run factories. We need fracking

    Joe rules out banning fracking but will capture emissions. Emphasises it’s all a transition.

    Dorothy Dixer for dems when asked about families living near industry emissions. Trump emphasises the good jobs. Biden, here’s the deal, transition and no oil subsidies.

    Remember that,Texas, Pensylvania, says Trump.
    Biden says new energy economy.

    How to speak for the other side, asks moderator. Success for us, a depression if you do it Biden’s way.

    Biden all hopey choosey Obama on it all and green new deal will fix it.

  19. Oh come on

    Lol no we just heard the context, Joe. You’re now absolutely done in in the Midwest. But don’t worry, you may pick up extra votes in California

  20. flyingduk

    Defression after the election… true, who ever wins..

  21. Farmer Gez

    Joe’s crowd will call it a win because he didn’t have a stroke and wet his pants.

  22. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Trump didn’t answer the question about the inauguration question. Looks bad for him.

  23. Herodotus

    We’re gonna choose truth over facts.

  24. Oh come on

    Huh? No final word for Trump? She forgot?

  25. Some History

    Moderator was splendid.

  26. Arky

    Good debate.
    That’s how it should be done.

  27. flyingduk

    Trump was out to 2.80 briefly on Sportsbet … back to 2.70

  28. Herodotus

    Nothing, nothing at all, can look as bad for Trump as what the left and their Dems in the congress have done over the entire first term.

  29. Oh come on

    Oh my bad, he went first

  30. vlad

    Trump the clear winner in a good debate. It was like watching Rocky Balboa versus a punch-drunk chump.

  31. flyingduk

    agreed… best moderated debate so far

  32. Arnost

    24 to 2 interruptions (against Trump!)

  33. mh

    Trump looks grumpy at the end.
    Bad move.

  34. If Trump cakes on any more makeup he’ll look like Al Jolson.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Joe’s going to demand China adhere to the Paris climate agreement. Yeah, sure Joe.

    Technically he’s right.
    China is allowed to do nothing until 2030.
    Then they are allowed to think about what to do next.
    Which will be nothing.
    They ain’t dumb.

  36. Arnost

    Trump looks grumpy at the end.
    Bad move.

    No final word for him…

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t recall Al Jolson ever being orange.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Topics and questions played to Biden’s advantage, says registered Democrat Chris Wallace moderator in first debate.

  39. Oh come on

    I think about halfway through the debate m0nty had to go into his happy place and focused on makeup instead.

  40. I can’t recall Al Jolson ever being orange.

    It was a black and white movie, so we’ll never know!

  41. nilk

    On youtube, channel 7 talking head reckons that the mod allowed 30mins rather than 15 at the beginning for Covid because that’s what the people are concerned about.

    Nilk says no. It’s because it allows 30 mins of padding and replaying the last debate. This gives Sleepy Joe less time to stuff up.

  42. Oh come on

    The stuff Biden said about transitioning away from oil is going to come back on him hard.

  43. That debate was boring as hell tbh. Started off dull, Trump perked up a bit then Biden had a decent finish, but it’s all pretty meaningless at this point.

    Early voting kind of dulls the point of a debate this late, so many votes already cast. Biden is going to waltz in with the popular vote, we shall see if Trump pulls another inside straight on the EC.

  44. vlad

    That debate was boring as hell tbh.

    ie Trump won.

  45. Bruce of Newcastle

    Topics and questions played to Biden’s advantage, says registered Democrat Chris Wallace moderator in first debate.

    This Wallace?
    Fox’s Wallace on Biden Corruption: Nothing to See Here…*
    He should ask CNN for a job.

    (* Breitbart main page headline.)

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No outright denial of the Biden emails, says one commentator. No bad Biden falters.

    Not a race changer, says this guy.

    I’d say this might have allowed Trump to seem softer and informed by a great vision for the future wheras Joe definitely offers the green nude eel and the usual stuff is government welfarism.

  47. stackja

    Oh come on
    #3629976, posted on October 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm
    The stuff Biden said about transitioning away from oil is going to come back on him hard.

    Texas transitioning away from oil?

  48. Bruce of Newcastle

    Early voting kind of dulls the point of a debate this late, so many votes already cast

    Well that’s true. Not many dead people watched the debate since they were too busy filling our mail-in Democrat votes.

  49. mh

    Biden is going to waltz in with the popular vote, we shall see if Trump pulls another inside straight on the EC.

    Monty, the election game is Electoral College.
    The popular vote is only a debating point.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    Popular vote.
    Australian Senate.
    Hmm.

  51. Infidel Tiger King

    Betting suspended!

    Biden got nuked.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    Popular vote.
    ALP primary vote HoR at 33.34% last election.
    Hmm.

  53. Oh come on

    Biden knows he stepped in it there – he pivoted to damage control with his claim that Trump was taking him out of context…um no. That’s not going to fly. Everyone just heard the entire exchange and understood the context loud and clear. When he says he wants to transition away from oil, everyone knows he means shut it down. Everyone knows that. His base wants that. Unfortunately, a very large number of the people he needs to win over don’t want that.

  54. Mother Lode

    Biden is going to waltz in with the popular vote, we shall see if Trump pulls another inside straight on the EC.

    Monty, the election game is Electoral College.
    The popular vote is only a debating point.

    Monty is not in a good place.

    Exquisite.

  55. Mother Lode

    Biden knows he stepped in it there

    No need to have sympathy.

    In a few hours, and after he has taken his post-post-pre-dinner nap, he will have completely forgotten everything.

  56. woolfe

    Transitioning from oil will go down well with All Americans who have oil powered cars.

  57. Oh come on

    Look, m0nty seems to believe the election’s already stitched up so why keep talking? I can see why he would think that – it’s how his crew rolls, after all.

  58. The stuff Biden said about transitioning away from oil is going to come back on him hard.

    Agreed. Texas not in play now, if it ever was.

    It was a bit of a Greatest Hits collection of a debate. All the golden oldies, not even a crappy new single. It’s been a long campaign.

  59. Some History

    Hey, Mont, what will you tell Creepy Joe when he calls you for advice on Monday?

  60. David Spears on Their ABC’s debate analysis: Biden walked all over Trump, there wasn’t enough game changer in the debate for Trump to come back, so it’s all over for Trump – he cannot win.

  61. Zatara

    Joe’s going to demand China adhere to the Paris climate agreement.

    To be clear, Biden isn’t going to get the US into the Paris Agreement for the same reason Obama didn’t.
    The Senate is going to say not no but hell no.

  62. Hey, Mont, what will you tell Creepy Joe when he calls you for advice on Monday?

    I have a list, in order, of who I want to see on a public perp walk on January 21, 2021.

  63. feelthebern

    Frank Luntz has been tweeting.
    Zero shame post his Biden tongue bathing as per Hunters laptop.

  64. feelthebern

    Trump back out to 2.70 on ladbrokes.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    The Australian is such an awful rag.

    Kelly, Brampton, VO and Overington all declare Biden winner.

  66. Arky

    I can’t wait for all the racist Abraham Lincoln and po’ boy sandwich memes.

  67. miltonf

    The Australian is such an awful rag.

    Kelly, Brampton, VO and Overington all declare Biden winner.

    Stop buying it! BIRM
    Who cares what these self important pissants think anyway.

  68. cohenite

    I have a list, in order, of who I want to see on a public perp walk on January 21, 2021.

    And you’re serious too, aren’t you, you fat little kunt.

  69. Mother Lode

    Kelly, Brampton, VO and Overington all declare Biden winner.

    Australian media is pretty lame.

    Everything seems ‘controversial, ‘shocker’ and ‘an upset’ because they have no understanding of what they talking about.

    Gladys winning her last electi0n, Scomo winning his, Trump winning his last one etc.

  70. Infidel Tiger King

    You can still get $1.25 on Texas going Republican.

    25% return is the best investment.

  71. Tom

    The Paywallian awarded victory to Biden, according to its “experts”, with only Paul Kelly calling it a draw. The rest — Troy Bramston, PVO, Caroline Overington and Cameron Stewart — gave it to Biden.

    That pretty much confirms that the Paywallian is staffed by leftard fruitcakes who hate the paper’s readers. The groupthink is suffocating.

  72. miltonf

    Oh save me from egg spurts.

  73. OldOzzie

    Breitbart Voting Debate

    Thank you for voting!
    Donald Trump 96.96%

    Joe Biden 3.04%

    Meanwhile

    Weekend at Biden’s

  74. Infidel Tiger King

    Overington is disaster.

    Her life is now a shambles and she’s a full blown frightbat.

  75. Oh come on

    Overall, Trump smashed it. I think he dealt with the race stuff very well. Several times he very effectively pointed out the indisputable weakness in all of Biden’s assurances that ‘we can do better’ and criticisms of Trump’s policies – Biden sat at the top table for eight years and didn’t do a thing about the stuff he now says need to be fixed. On race, Trump went on the offensive and was effective. And he highlighted Biden’s unforced error on energy production, which could be the most consequential outcome of the debate. His concluding response could have been better – I actually didn’t realise that was it from him. But no big deal. He landed some heavy blows in the second half.

    Overall, Biden was fine. He’s done better in the two debates than I expected he would. I don’t think he looked more presidential than Trump did. Biden is a weak candidate and always has been. Has no record of delivering anything substantial to run on, has no particularly outstanding qualities, he’s all talk. The biggest takeaway is that if you strip away the sense that Biden did well because expectations were so low – and ignore the corruption allegations for the hell of it – and you just look and listen to what he’s offering, the bottom line is that he’s a weak candidate. For those looking for a ‘return to normalcy’ candidate, well, he isn’t going to bring any more dignity, gravitas, credibility etc to the office if elected. He’s tired, he’s an also-ran, he appears to think that because lines other people used worked well for them then they would also work well for him if he pinches them and uses them, too. They sound cliched and hollow coming from him. And he isn’t bringing anything new to the table, the shit he promises to do now, he promised to do back in 2008 and 2012, and everyone can see he’s just running down a bog standard progressive agenda. There’s an important part of the electorate who aren’t politically aligned and are still able to be persuaded to vote against Trump. So whilst it’s true that Biden didn’t collapse into a babbling mess, I don’t think he made a compelling case for those people to vote for him.

    Trump is a transformational president. Many people don’t like or hate what he’s doing, many others feel the opposite, many are seeing mixed signals in what a Trump presidency means for them. They could be persuaded to move on from Trump, I think. But with Biden? Move on to where? Simply not being Trump isn’t enough.

  76. thefrollickingmole

    Sure it was the poor boys and not the Soggy bottom Boys?

  77. OldOzzie

    Donald Trump Owned the Debate Stage — and Joe Biden Along With it — in the Third Presidential Debate

    I’ll get into the substance of some of the exchanges in articles later tonight and tomorrow after I have a chance to read the transcript.

    But in terms of style points and tactics, Donald Trump laid waste to Joe Biden — and the Presidential Commission on Debates — in the Third Presidential Debate.

    I’ve been a federal court trial lawyer for 30 years with a pretty good record of success. I’m not a “plodder” in the courtroom — for me the well of the courtroom is a stage and if you want to win you have to own it.

    President Trump owned it tonight. He “bossed” the debate.

    Donald Trump learned from his mistakes in the first debate. He took on the rules changes imposed by the Presidential Commission and said “Fine, let’s do this.”

    I listened to the first 45 minutes while driving, and that gave me only their words to gauge — whether they answered questions, whether the evaded questions, whether their answers were substantive or fluff.

    I llstened for whether they responded to each other, and when an exchange ended, who got the better of the finish — who made their point and who had to give ground?

    This one wasn’t even close.

    If there had been a referee, this as a TKO in the 3rd round.

    From the very start — WITHOUT BEING RUDE — Trump demanded that the exchanges end on his terms. Over and over he demanded — politely — that Kristen Welker allow him to respond. Sometimes 30 seconds, sometimes 10 seconds. Some of his responses were better than others — some were exceptional. And I can’t think of a SINGLE instance where Biden demanded the opportunity to come back in himself with something else to say.

    By force of personality Trump demanded the final word time after time, Welker was forced to give it to him lest it looks like the debate was about her rather than about voters being able to hear from the candidates.

    Some of Pres. Trump’s lines are “stock” and worn, but he has a veteran debater’s ability to turn a phrase spontaneously that captures the moment.

    I saw the last 30 minutes on television and two stood out — my reaction each time was “Nice — the thought and the verbalization”.

    Paraphrasing: “I ran because of you Joe. You and Barack did such a horrible job I had to run. I could have stayed in private life, I had a great life. But you’re the reason I ran. You to were so terrible, you’re the reason I ran”.

    The second instance was in the discussion about Pres. Trump having accomplished criminal justice reform, and Joe Biden talking about his plan to go further with comprehensive drug treatment.

    Pres. Trump asked the question — which he asked effectively in a few contexts throughout the debate — “You had eight years Joe. If you wanted to do it, if you could have done it, you had eight years and you didn’t get it done.”

    Lamely — and without seeing how it was going to be turned around as a bullet right in his forehead — Biden said “We had to deal with a Republican Congress.”

    In one of the best moments of the night Pres. Trump slipped the knife right between the ribs. Paraphrasing again — “You have to convince them, Joe. That’s what you have to do. You have to talk them into it. That’s how things get done.”

    In both instances, Joe Biden just pulled the blanket over his head and wondered when it was going to end.

    All night long it was the same way. Pres. Trump was “Alpha” without going manic as he did in the first debate. He verbally “stalked” Biden across the stage. Biden looked like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was.

    When Joe Biden gets nervous his gaze becomes fixed. For long periods of time he stared directly into the camera. When he does that the features of his face narrow. You have to move your head around and shift your focus to avoid taking on the look of having a “beady little stare.” BIden had that look nearly the entire 30 minutes that I was able to watch on television.

    In tactical terms familiar to MMA fans, Pres. Trump put together an impressive “ground and pound” effort. He took Biden down, kept him down, and pounded him consistently over 90 minutes.

    From an election standpoint, the timing was perfect. He’s rebounded in the polls in the past few days — not that they are any more accurate now than they were before. But the contest tonight showed that one of the participants is capable of being President, and the other is not.

  78. Spridget

    Donald Trump wants to do good for America – jobs, income, lifestyles etc
    Joe Biden just wants Americans to feel good – about climate change, socialist health care etc

  79. egg_

    Biden desperate having Obambi on the campaign trail?

  80. Boambee John

    I have a list, in order, of who I want to see on a public perp walk on January 21, 2021.

    Do you understand that “I don’t like him” is not an indictable crime?

  81. Tintarella di Luna

    Alexandria Occasional-Cortez tweets:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @AOC
    ·
    Oct 23, 2020

    US House candidate, NY-14
    I wonder if Republicans understand how much they advertise their disrespect of women in debates when they consistently call women members of Congress by nicknames or first names while using titles & last names when referring to men of = stature.

    Women notice. It conveys a lot.
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @AOC

    US House candidate, NY-14
    AOC is a name given to me by community & the people. Y’all can call me AOC.

    Government colleagues referring to each other in a public or professional context (aka who don’t know me like that) should refer to their peers as “Congresswoman,” “Representative,”etc. Basic respect 101

    To paraphrase Diane Feinstein:

    The stupid lives loudly within you, and that’s a concern’

  82. Farmer Gez

    Two very strong points for Trump.
    The pitch for the black vote had fact and appeal. Biden’s record reeks.
    They train wreck of Biden Inc has plenty of legs and Trump got it to air.
    Sowing the seeds like a good farmer.

  83. OldOzzie

    Biden shocks debate viewers with bizarre Hitler reference

    Democratic nominee evoked Nazi leader to make a point about North Korea

  84. cohenite

    woolfe
    #3630040, posted on October 23, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    Outstanding. We don’t deserve him. Trump is the baseline for judging people; if a person doesn’t like Trump there’s something wrong with them.

  85. FelixKruell

    Well that was a good debate…but only by the low standard of the first one.

    Trump did a lot better (didn’t come across as crazy uncle Don), but didn’t really convince on covid or health care.

    Biden continues to prove he’s way less incoherent than Trumps team painted him as.

    Not really a game changer either way. Are there still undecided voters out there?

  86. Armadillo

    There seemed to be a couple of “set-up” questions that Joe knew about.

    The obvious one was something about people living on the fence line or something. WTF was that all about? Has anyone here ever discussed it as an “election issue”? Do Americans talk about it?

    Joe promptly said that he knew all about it, and Trump would be ignorant because he just doesn’t care. Joe then launched into some rant about his Mum driving him to school with oil on the windscreen or something. WTF? That was like 70 years ago. Why were the “fence people” even brought up by the moderator?

    Can anyone enlighten me? Are Americans seriously sitting around their kitchen tables discussing this stuff?

    Joe seemed pretty well prepared on a few other questions as well.

  87. Tom

    One high point for Australian viewers who tuned into today’s debate, which was carried by all/most of the local FTA networks: when they read online/newspaper reviews by local journalists, they can see with their own eyes how out of touch most of them are with the Australian electorate, which last year rejected the high-taxing platform of Labor and the Greens and voted for the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals as the only alternative.

    For most of the journalists at The Australian, for example, Australians are too stupid to be allowed to vote because they keep making incorrect choices.

    I’ve never seen the disconnect between journalists and the public as bad as it is now. Their only “scoops” are gotchas against politicians and institutions that most people support.

  88. Armadillo

    Democratic nominee evoked Nazi leader to make a point about North Korea

    IIRC, there were Nazi sympathisers with the American public in the early years of Hitlers reign.

    The modern day equivalent would be ANTIFA and BLM supporters.

  89. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’ve never seen the disconnect between journalists and the public as bad as it is now.”

    They are scum…pure and simple.

  90. Armadillo

    I’ve never seen the disconnect between journalists and the public as bad as it is now.

    Journalism is officially dead. They are all now players in the game.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    There seemed to be a couple of “set-up” questions that Joe knew about.

    She fed Hillary’s team the questions in 2016 before an interview.

    Video Surfaces Of Final Debate Moderator ‘Tipping Off’ Hillary Clinton Campaign On Interview Questions In 2016 (19 Oct)

  92. Arnost

    There seemed to be a couple of “set-up” questions that Joe knew about.

    And he totally blew them – esp the climate change one!

  93. dover_beach

    Agreed. Texas not in play now, if it ever was.

    Texas was never ‘in play’. F me.

  94. dover_beach

    Kelly, Brampton, VO and Overington all declare Biden winner.

    Obviously a joke paper.

  95. JC

    Texas was never ‘in play’. F me.

    LOL. I’ve heard the “Texas is in play” by the democrats since the late 80’s. It hasn’t been and won’t be. At one stage, they were peddling former nanny and eternal loser, Beto O’Rourke as putting it in play. As if.

  96. Andreas

    There seemed to be a couple of “set-up” questions that Joe knew about.

    The obvious one was something about people living on the fence line or something. WTF was that all about? Has anyone here ever discussed it as an “election issue”? Do Americans talk about it?

    My thoughts as well, very odd question about people of colour living next to oil refineries or something and Joe had an immediate response to this. 100% he knew the question beforehand.

  97. OldOzzie

    Biden Says ‘My Son Has Not Made Money in… China.’ PANTS ON FIRE

    During the final presidential debate on Thursday, President Donald Trump pressed Democratic nominee Joe Biden on the evolving scandal about his family trading on his name in international business deals, particularly Biden’s son Hunter. During an intense exchange, Biden insisted that Hunter Biden did not make any money in China.

    “My son has not made money in terms of this thing you’re talking about, China,” Biden insisted. He claimed that “the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine” was President Trump, whom Biden accused of “trying to bribe” the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Biden.

    Biden’s claim that his son has not made money in China is utterly, disgustingly false. In fact, there’s an entire movie about it!

    The new documentary RIDING THE DRAGON: The Bidens’ Chinese Secrets exposes Hunter Biden’s nefarious deals with the Chinese Communist Party government and with state-run companies with ties to the communist party. In 2013 alone, China finalized a $1 billion business deal with Hunter Biden’s new company, Bohai Harvest.

    In fact, the deals Hunter Biden made in China strengthened China at America’s expense.

    The movie exposes how Hunter Biden’s Bohai Harvest joined forces with the Chinese military contractor AVIC to buy American parts manufacturer Henniges, a dual-use technology company that produces technology that can be used for commercial and military purposes. Bohai Harvest also invested in a military surveillance company that the Chinese Communist Party later used in the detention of over one million Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang.

    Bohai Harvest also helped China in its competition with the U.S. over rare earth minerals, teaming up with China Molybdenum to acquire more than half of Congo’s Tenke copper mine, one of the largest copper mines in the world. Hunter Biden’s company also became an anchor investor in China General Nuclear, a company mostly owned by the Chinese government. At the time, CGN was under FBI investigation for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets.

    Hunter Biden did not just make money with Bohai Harvest, however. Biden’s son’s real estate firm, Rosemont Realty, got lucrative commercial real estate deals in China, even though Hunter had no background in commercial real estate. Gemini, a company with close ties to the Chinese military, bought a 75 percent stake in Rosemont Realty, paying $3 billion.

    Does Joe Biden seriously maintain that Hunter Biden did not make a single penny out of all these deals? That his son sold out America’s interests for China again and again, and has nothing to show for it?

    That’s even more absurd than blaming Trump for every single coronavirus death.

  98. OldOzzie

    Biden Says ‘My Son Has Not Made Money in… China.’ PANTS ON FIRE

    During the final presidential debate on Thursday, President Donald Trump pressed Democratic nominee Joe Biden on the evolving scandal about his family trading on his name in international business deals, particularly Biden’s son Hunter. During an intense exchange, Biden insisted that Hunter Biden did not make any money in China.

    “My son has not made money in terms of this thing you’re talking about, China,” Biden insisted. He claimed that “the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine” was President Trump, whom Biden accused of “trying to bribe” the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Biden.

    Biden’s claim that his son has not made money in China is utterly, disgustingly false. In fact, there’s an entire movie about it!

    The new documentary RIDING THE DRAGON: The Bidens’ Chinese Secrets exposes Hunter Biden’s nefarious deals with the Chinese Communist Party government and with state-run companies with ties to the communist party. In 2013 alone, China finalized a $1 billion business deal with Hunter Biden’s new company, Bohai Harvest.

    In fact, the deals Hunter Biden made in China strengthened China at America’s expense.

    The movie exposes how Hunter Biden’s Bohai Harvest joined forces with the Chinese military contractor AVIC to buy American parts manufacturer Henniges, a dual-use technology company that produces technology that can be used for commercial and military purposes. Bohai Harvest also invested in a military surveillance company that the Chinese Communist Party later used in the detention of over one million Uyghur [email protected] in Xinjiang.

    Bohai Harvest also helped China in its competition with the U.S. over rare earth minerals, teaming up with China Molybdenum to acquire more than half of Congo’s Tenke copper mine, one of the largest copper mines in the world. Hunter Biden’s company also became an anchor investor in China General Nuclear, a company mostly owned by the Chinese government. At the time, CGN was under FBI investigation for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets.

    Hunter Biden did not just make money with Bohai Harvest, however. Biden’s son’s real estate firm, Rosemont Realty, got lucrative commercial real estate deals in China, even though Hunter had no background in commercial real estate. Gemini, a company with close ties to the Chinese military, bought a 75 percent stake in Rosemont Realty, paying $3 billion.

    Does Joe Biden seriously maintain that Hunter Biden did not make a single penny out of all these deals? That his son sold out America’s interests for China again and again, and has nothing to show for it?

    That’s even more absurd than blaming Trump for every single coronavirus death.

  99. OldOzzie

    Blockbuster Report Reveals How Biden Family Was Compromised By China

    In a day when half the US population remained transfixed by the ongoing revelations about the contents of Hunter Biden’s “laptop from hell” and the other half was doing everything in its power to ignore the news which the socials have conveniently been desperate to censor, a far less noticed but perhaps just as important investigative report authored by the unknown Typhoon Investigations, was released by Christopher Balding, Associate Professor at Peking University HSBC School of Business Shenzhen, China and also Bloomberg contributor (which is odd considering the clear anti-Trump bias of the Bloomberg media empire) exposing Biden activities in China which “the press has simply refused to cover”, and which reveals “how Biden was compromised by the Communist Party of China.”

    In a series of tweets around noon on Thursday, Balding said that he had really “not wanted to do this but roughly 2 months ago I was handed a report about Biden activities in China the press has simply refused to cover. I want to strongly emphasize I did not write the report but I know who did.”

    Some more background on the origins of the report from Balding’s website:

    For two months I have worked on behalf of my colleague to ensure that this report helped others report on the documented evidence of Biden activities with regards to China. I want to emphasize a couple of things about my own involvement.

    First, I did not write the report and I am not responsible for the report. I have gone over the report with a fine tooth comb and can find nothing factually wrong with the report. Everything is cited and documented. Arguably the only weakness is that we do not have internal emails between Chinese players or the Chinese and Bidens that would make explicit what the links clearly imply.

    Second, I will not be disclosing the individual who did write this report. They have very valid reasons to fear for both their personal safety and professional risks. Throughout the years that I have known this individual we never discussed politics. I have never heard them criticize any political party other than the CCP. They are not a Republican.

    Third, it was my very real wish that the press would have reported on the documented evidence in this report and left me and the author entirely out of this situation. I did not vote for Trump in 2016 and will not vote for him in 2020. This information however is entirely valid public interest information that the press has simply refused to cover due to their own partisan wishes. I have serious policy differences with President Trump. I am pro-immigration. I would like to see more free trade efforts to shift trade away from China and into partner countries from Mexico to Vietnam and India. I believe that institution building in Asia is vital and America needs to take that lead. However, I cannot in good conscience allow documented evidence of the variety presented here go unreported by partisans who are simply choosing to hide information.

    Finally, I will not be answering any questions about the report. I had no wish to be involved in Presidential politics. I do not want to be on the news. I will not be answer any questions about who wrote the report. We need to return the focus to the known documented facts.
    Upon review, this is how Balding summarized the report’s contents in his series of tweets:

    Hunter Biden is partnered with the Chinese state. Entire investment partnership is Chinese state money from social security fund to China Development Bank. It is actually a subsidiary of the Bank of China. This is not remotely anything less than a Chinese state funded play.

    Though the entire size of the fund cannot be reconstructed, the Taiwanese cofounder who is now detained in China, reports it to be NOT $1-1.5 billion but $6.5 billion. This would make Hunters stake worth at a minimum at least $50 million if he was to sell it.

    Disturbingly, everyone on the Chinese side are clearly linked with influence and intelligence organizations. China uses very innocuous sounding organization names to hide PLA, United Front, or Ministry of Foreign Affairs influence/intelligence operations. This report cannot say Hunter was the target of such an operation or that China even targeted him. However, based upon the clear pattern of individuals and organizations surrounding him it is an entirely reasonable conclusion.

    Finally, the believed Godfather in arranging everything is a gentleman named Yang Jiechi. He is currently the CCP Director of Foreign Affairs leading strategist for America, Politburo member one of the most powerful men in China, and Xi confidant. Why does this matter?

    He met regularly with Joe Biden during his stint as Chinese ambassador the US when Biden chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Later he was Minister of Foreign Affairs when the investment partnership was made official in 2013. Importantly, the Taiwanese national listed MOFA institutions as the key clients in helping to arrange everything. Yang would clearly have known the importance of Hunter Biden and undoubtedly would have been informed of any dealings. Given that he is now the point person in China for dealing with the US this raises major concerns about a Biden administration dealing impartially with an individual in this capacity. These are documented facts from Chinese corporate records like IPO prospectuses and media. They raise very valid concerns about Biden linkages to China.

    Turning to the report itself, here is the 10-point summary of its findings:

  100. Armadillo

    Does Joe Biden seriously maintain that Hunter Biden did not make a single penny out of all these deals?

    To be fair, I don’t think Joe said that. I think he said that “Joe” didn’t make a penny from those deals.

    Technically he’s right. Hunter made the money.

    Joe is dumb, but he’s not that dumb. According to the emails. “H” is holding 10% for “the big guy”.

    I also reckon Trump stuffed up by calling him “the big man”. Yes, it’s semantics, but something that the Democrats will seize upon.

  101. JC

    I really want to, but I can’t make an election prediction until Ol’Leatherface sings.

    Boy, this was is so close though.

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  102. The Sheriff

    Thank you Barrie Cassidy for confirming that Australia will do best with 4 more years of Trump.

  103. Dr Faustus

    Texas transitioning away from oil?

    Joe Sixpack transitioning away from his pickup to a Prius.
    Master stroke.

  104. Jennifer Rubin’s piece is astute –

    The good news is that we likely will never be forced to endure another debate featuring President Trump.

    The better news is that even before the Thursday night event, Trump sabotaged himself by pre-releasing an interview for “60 Minutes” with CBS News’s Lesley Stahl in which he declared flatly that he hoped the Supreme Court would invalidate the Affordable Care Act. “I hope that they end it. It’ll be so good if they end it,” Trump said. This is what they call in soccer an “own goal.” Former vice president Joe Biden could not have asked for more going into a debate. But as a bonus, Trump not only displayed his whiny, thin-skinned demeanor, but he also let on that he has no replacement health-care plan for Obamacare.

    Nothing that occurred during Thursday night’s debate increases the chances we will have to endure four more years of the unhinged, know-nothing narcissistic president. Voters who made it through the 90-minute event saw a sharper, more fact-filled Biden than they have seen in previous performances. Meanwhile, the meandering, mean-spirited president was forced to resort to a flood of lies.

    First, Trump appeared subdued at the onset. Deprived of the opportunity to interrupt by the mute button, he rambled and repeated self-congratulations during his time allotments. He insisted he could raise as much money as Biden has (claiming incorrectly that Biden’s had received the bulk of his money from Wall Street), but chose not to. Trump is plainly sensitive that he was clobbered in the money race. He has never learned what matters to voters. When Biden argued that we should talk about real issues affecting American families, Trump mocked him. Rarely has a politician showed such contempt for voters. Never has a president bragged that a dictator liked him more than his predecessor. Trump’s reticence was short-lived as he embarked on long-winded and often incoherent riffs filled with ludicrous accusations.

    Second, Trump still has not come up with a realistic plan to fight covid-19. He has yet to develop any sense of compassion, and he remains unable to take responsibility for the crisis. “I take full responsibility,” he said during the debate, before adding: “It’s not my fault that [the virus] came here.” Most galling, he insisted we are “learning to live with” the pandemic. Biden pounced to reiterate that more than 220,000 Americans have died from the disease. Once more, Trump was illogical and nonsensical: “We have the best testing in the world by far — that’s why we have so many cases!”

    Third, Trump was so intent on spinning strange and convoluted conspiracy theories that it is doubtful anyone outside the loony-tunes world of right-wing media understood what he was talking about. (At one point, Trump said something about Biden selling pillows and sheets.) All Biden had to do was smile and suppress a laugh. He also effectively brought up Trump’s refusal to release his taxes, taunting him to make them public.

    Fourth, Biden was strongest on health care, reminding us that Trump has no plan and has never had one. He reiterated his support for a public option, not for Medicare-for-all. His best line may have been: “Ten million people now have pre-existing conditions because of the president’s handling of covid. What are they going to do?” As Trump insisted Biden wanted to destroy private health insurance, Biden responded, “He’s a very confused guy. He thinks he’s running against someone else. He’s running against me, Joe Biden.”

    Fifth, Biden made hay of his focus on working- and middle-class Americans, pointing out that Trump’s measure of success is the stock market. “Where I come from in Scranton and Claymont, the people don’t live off the stock market,” Biden said. His emphatic support for a $15 minimum wage was likely a winner in critical swing states. When Trump started trashing “Democrat cities,” Biden shot back that he would be the president for all of Americans.

    Sixth, Trump’s utter lack of decency came when he insisted conditions for kids at the border were just swell. (“They are so well taken care of. They are in facilities that were so clean,” Trump said.) Biden emotionally hit back, “Separating children from their parents violates every value we hold as a nation.” Asked about Black parents who have to have the “talk” with children about encounters with the police that can turn fatal, Biden gave an empathetic answer acknowledging institutional racism; Trump hilariously claimed to have done more for African Americans than any other president since Abraham Lincoln.

    Finally, on climate change, Biden made his case on job growth and green energy as Trump insisted windmills “kills all the birds.” He added this mumbo jumbo: “And the fumes coming up, if you are a believer in carbon emission, the fumes coming up to make these massive windmills is more than anything we’re talking about with natural gas, which is very clean.” It was one more reminder Trump is stunningly ignorant.

    Biden had the final words of the debate, making a heartfelt pitch for decency and character. If Americans decide that is the defining issue, the election will not be close.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    Jennifer Rubin, WaPo.
    ROFL.

  106. Dot

    In tactical terms familiar to MMA fans, Pres. Trump put together an impressive “ground and pound” effort. He took Biden down, kept him down, and pounded him consistently over 90 minutes.

    Bullshit.

    Trump is like Lyoto Machida.

  107. mh

    Infowars poll

    Who Won The Second Presidential Debate?
    President Donald Trump
    95%
    Joe Biden
    5%
    Total: 4,695

  108. JC

    mh

    Please, that’s not a poll. The 5% Hiden support are just dudes fucking around.

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