Open Thread: October 24, 2020

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  1. Anything is possible Leigh.
    It only gets real when you put some $$ on though.
    I’d stay clear

  2. EvilElvis

    Chris Scott will blame the loss on fans running all over the ground in the first quarter.

    Fair point too, KD. A few weeks back a stray Wang in the change rooms got them geed up, a stray Wang on the field sends them over the edge.

    A Wang in the hand is worth two on the oval.

  3. Gab

    So did Dan fly up to QLD for the game? Is that why his presser was only for an hour today?

  4. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Poor ol’ God Jr – it’s over …

  5. Leigh Lowe

    OK.
    Three alleged common AFL expressions I have never heard spoken outside a commentary box:-
    “Taking Charlie home” (winning the Charles Brownlow medal).
    “The Big Dance” (the Grand Final).
    “The Little Master” (Gary Ablett Jnr).

  6. EvilElvis

    “The Little Master” (Gary Ablett Jnr).

    For all his wonderful early years the ‘little masters’ legacy has already been steamrolled.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3631803, posted on October 24, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    Coming up: Coaches’ pressers.

    Chris Scott will blame the loss on fans running all over the ground in the first quarter.

    OK.
    I’m a mere mortal.
    Not an AFL coach.
    But effectively coming out with a denial that they were finals chokers a couple of weeks ago.
    Think about it.
    Ask yourself.
    What would Kevin do?

  8. H B Bear

    Gillon McPolo-Pony meeting the fans. Truly a man of the people.

  9. LL,
    From what I could see first stop was Detroit for an event on car safety. I did note a mention (Traffic Assistant Commissioner was interviewed by Neil Mitchell 3AW) of a similar trip in a later year that also went to Sweden. Am guessing Sweden good at traffic / vehicle safety so would not be surprised if Sweden a legitimate part of the trip.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    BrettW.
    The “swan-song” for a lot of Vicco senior public servants used to be the “study tour” just before retiring on the indexed pension.
    A study tour.
    No report submitted.
    Two months before retirement.

  11. Nob

    Another UK MP tells it like it is in parliament:

    Herd stupidity!

  12. Lazlo

    LL the Electoral College vote is not linear. It is a sum of various integers – each State’s entitlement. You could write a computer program which would tell you the possible combinations that would result in a draw, but they would unlikely reflect possible realities.

    It’s all going to come down to the battleground states: Florida, NC, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona.

    Except I am getting a sniff that Rowan might be right about a landslide. Look for Minnesota on the night as an indicator.

    Anyway, God bless America and President Trump.

  13. amortiser

    Well covid is now finished. No distancing with interviews after the AFL grand final. What a joke!

  14. dover_beach

    Intelligence Experts Concerned Media May Tamper With Election By Asking Biden Questions:

    U.S.—As the presidential election looms, experts expect more dirty tricks from both major party campaigns. And now officials are warning of a growing plot to influence the election by asking Joe Biden questions.

    “There is a plot now to publicly confront Joe Biden with difficult questions he may have a hard time answering,” warned James Moss, who works in intelligence. “We don’t know if this is from homegrown or foreign agents, but they seem to think putting out factual information about Joe Biden could sway the election toward Trump. And everyone has to work hard against that.”

    So true.

  15. EvilElvis

    Well covid is now finished. No distancing with interviews after the AFL grand final. What a joke

    Actually, the commentators are all seperated by giant, social distancing butt plugs. The players and BT less so…

  16. Steve trickler

    Dice. I reckon he would be banned from entering Australia.



  17. Knuckle Dragger

    Club song news.

    Nobody grabbed anybody on the stalk.

    More importantly, nobody started clapping along, aka ‘He’s Got The Whole World In His Hands’.

  18. C.L.

    Intelligence Experts Concerned Media May Tamper With Election By Asking Biden Questions:

    God bless The Bee.

  19. Knuckle Dragger

    FTA done for another year as well.

  20. Leigh Lowe

    BrettW.
    Remember it was a “study tour” which blew up one of the nost expensive, long running and ultimately failed investigations in VikPol history.
    They had tapped a lot of serving members phones, (possibly including ex Robbers squad detective and Police Association head, Paul Mullet) in relation to a theory that coppers were involved in eliminating a drug squad informer Terrence Hodson and his missus.
    Someone (whose phone was tapped) rang 3AW with a tip off that Simple Simon Overland was off to the Sorbonne on a “study trip”.
    Simon stormed into the office an hour later threatening to “get the pricks who rang 3AW”.
    The guy who rang 3AW knew immediately that his phone was “off”.
    Informed sources tell me that those concerned already suspected their phones were off, and set the Incredibly Simple Simon up as confirmation.

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Lame pics.

    The Barak Brigade suffered heavy casualties on the Golan Heights, in 1973, including the brigade commander.

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Yes, I agree Lazlo.
    An electoral college draw might be mathematically possible, but practically improbable (eg Dems winning states in the Bible belt and Republicans winning DC).

  23. Steve trickler

    It’s been a while since I visited this blokes channel.



  24. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Simon stormed into the office an hour later threatening to “get the pricks who rang 3AW”.’

    Aside from the ‘Oh. That’s a journal not a diary’ one, that’s the story that perfectly describes ‘Call me Simon’, which is what he used to say as an Assistant Commissioner but definitely did NOT say as the Chief.

    Clueless. Never saw an angry man, and never locked up a crook.

  25. Mark A

    Only if you are bored enough.

    One day a man decided to retire…
    He booked himself on a Caribbean
    cruise and proceeded to have the
    time of his life, that is, until the ship sank.

    He soon found himself on an island with no other people, no supplies, nothing, only bananas and coconuts.
    After about four months, he is lying on the beach one day when the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen rows up to the shore.

    In disbelief, he asks, “Where did you come from? How did you get here?”

    She replies, “I rowed over from the other side of the island where I landed when my cruise ship sank.”

    “Amazing,” he notes. “You were really lucky to have a row boat wash up with you.”

    “Oh, this thing?” explains the woman.”I made the boat out of some raw material I found on the island. The oars were whittled from gum tree branches. I wove the bottom from palm tree branches, and the sides and stern came from a
    Eucalyptus tree.”

    “But, where did you get the tools?”

    “Oh, that was no problem,” replied the woman.
    “On the south side of the island, a very unusual stratum of alluvial rock is exposed.
    I found that if I fired it to a certain temperature in my kiln, it melted into ductile iron and I used that to make tools and used the tools to make the hardware.”

    The guy is stunned.

    “Let’s row over to my place,” she says “and I’ll give you a tour.” So, after a short time of rowing, she soon docks the boat at a small wharf. As the man looks to shore, he nearly falls off the boat.
    Before him is a long stone walk leading to a cabin and tree house.

    While the woman ties up the row boat with an expertly woven hemp rope, the man can only stare ahead, dumb struck. As they walk into the house, she says casually, “It’s not much, but I call it home. Please sit down.”

    “Would you like a drink?”

    “No! No thank you,” the man blurts out, still dazed.
    “I can’t take another drop of coconut juice.”

    “Oh it’s not coconut juice,” winks the woman.
    “I have a still. How would you like a Tropical Spritz?”
    Trying to hide his continued amazement, the man accepts, and they sit down on her couch to talk. After they exchange their individual survival stories, the woman announces,

    “I’m going to slip into something more comfortable. Would you like to take a shower and shave? There’s a razor in the bathroom cabinet upstairs.”

    No longer questioning anything, the man goes upstairs into the bathroom. There, in the cabinet is a razor made from a piece of tortoise bone. Two shells honed to a hollow ground edge are fastened on to its end inside a swivel mechanism.
    “This woman is amazing,” he muses. “What’s next?”

    When he returns, she greets him wearing nothing but some small flowers on tiny vines, each strategically positioned, she smelled faintly of gardenias. She then beckons for him to sit down
    next to her.

    “Tell me,” she begins suggestively, slithering closer to him, “We’ve both been out here for many months.
    You must have been lonely. When was the last time you played around? She stares into his eyes.
    He can’t believe what he’s hearing. “You mean…” he swallows excitedly as tears start to form in his eyes,
    !
    !
    !
    !
    “You’ve built a Golf Course?

  26. I think Trump takes 320 electoral college votes.

    Oh dear.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Clueless. Never saw an angry man, and never locked up a crook.

    And not smart enough to think through the implications of him immediately knowing who had rung the Rumour File.
    Actually, his big mistake was that he thought he was smarter than old school Robbers squad blokes.
    Wrong.
    By a factor of three.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “You’ve built a Golf Course?

    Pay that one!

  29. mh

    Trump on Sacha Baron Cohen:

    “I don’t find him funny. To me, he’s a creep.”

    About 15 years Cohen was occasionally funny, but it’s childish humour that gets tiresome quickly.
    He’s had to return to Borat because most of his other stuff flops.

  30. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3631832, posted on October 24, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    The Barak Brigade suffered heavy casualties on the Golan Heights, in 1973, including the brigade commander.

    Don’t want to sound trite, but the price of freedom can sometimes be the ultimate sacrifice.

    Did you know that the Merks are not for sale to anyone? (as far as I know?)

  31. Kim Howard

    Thanks, Mark A, I need my pics fix as well as Tom`s

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Oh, and speaking of footy flogs.
    Michael Voss sets up someone on Channel 7 to ask him a question about whether he is a candidate to coach North Melbourne.
    He can neither confirm or deny.
    Give.
    Me.
    A.
    Break.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Don’t want to sound trite, but the price of freedom can sometimes be the ultimate sacrifice.

    I think it was Golda Meir who told the survivors that “You saved the State of Israel.”

  34. areff

    I watched Trial of the Chicago Seven the other night. Cohen plays Abbie Hoffman and does a creditable job of it.

  35. Gyro Cadiz

    UNCONFIRMED MAY BE MADE UP BULLSHIT OR PROPAGANDA given the fever pitch of the crap going on there right now.
    From US Facebook about half an hour ago.

    Evil stuff if true, which is unconfirmed. Not endorsing this (yet until more data comes out – need the raw data for something like this)

    “Hey Facebook. How about fact checking this.

    Here is a story you don’t want to miss.
    Joe Biden and his first wife, Neilia, had three children: Hunter, Beau and Naomi.
    In 1972, Neilia and Naomi, died in a car accident. Joe eventually married a woman named Jill (his current wife).
    He already knew her because she had been Hunter’s babysitter at the time of the car accident. (Yeah, THAT seems normal- marry the babysitter). They had a daughter named Ashley. Ashley lives ‘a quiet life’ and is frequently in and out of rehab for various substance abuse issues.
    Now sadly, the sanest, most normal one of the 3 surviving kids, Beau, dies in 2015 from a brain tumor. He had been married to Haillie and they had 2 children, a boy and a girl named Natalie, who was 11 yrs old when her dad died.
    Enter Hunter Biden, in 2015, to “comfort” his brother’s widow. Mind you, Hunter is married at the time, to Kathleen Biden, since 1993. He starts screwing around with his dead brother’s wife in 2015…his wife Kathleen finds out about it and they separate. Hunter moves in with his dead brother’s wife, Haillie,and her two kids and they have a grand old time. He ultimately gets divorced from Kathleen in 2017. Meanwhile, he starts screwing around with a stripper, while still shacking up with his dead brother’s wife, before his divorce is finalized, and gets the stripper pregnant. Haillie kicks his butt to the curb supposedly for this indiscretion in 2018. He denies the stripper’s baby is his, although a paternity test proves otherwise and eventually marries a woman named Melissa in 2019 after knowing her for 6 days…
    Does the tale end there? Why no, no it doesn’t.
    That just sets the stage…
    Enter the laptop from hell…loaded with emails, text messages, photos, child pornography, videos, and other sordid digital images of drug use and rampant weirdness….
    Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off in Delaware, his home state, to get it repaired. It seems he dropped it in some water while in a meth-induced state of mind. He then neglected to pay the $85.00 repair fee and the laptop became the repair shop owner’s property for non-payment. When the owner saw what was on it, he was ao disturbed that he contacted the FBI. No response. The DOJ? No response. Eventually, it landed in Rudy Giuliani’s possession and he turned it over to the Delaware State Police AFTER making 4 copies of the hard drive. Turns out, there’s quite a lot of child pornography on there…much of it involving children on Hunter’s many trips to China. The Chinese Communist Party uses this as a blackmail tactic… They supply the young girls, they film you, unknowingly, and then they can keep you “in line”, while paying you the big $$$ to do their bidding, like lucrative deals with your VP father.
    Millions of dollars were paid to Hunter Biden for favors with the US Govt while Joe Biden was VP under Obama.
    For 8 years Hunter made the contacts and split the money with his father, referred to as the “Big Guy” in all emails detailing how their ill gotten gains would be split up amongst all the criminals involved.
    Joe Biden sold out his country and used his meth head son to do it. …
    But, IT GETS WORSE. Today, on the laptop, emails were released between Beau Biden’s widow, Haillie, and Joe Biden in 2017 and more in 2018 when she and Hunter were still living together. They were casually talking about the continual “sexually inappropriate behavior” she had witnessed from Hunter toward her 14 year old daughter, Natalie, HIS NIECE!..
    She told Joe that she felt she had put her children in a dangerous situation by getting involved with Hunter Biden. Joe knew his son was screwing around with his niece and he advised his daughter-in-law to go to therapy…..No one went to the police and the abuse escalated. THAT is the main reason she broke off her relationship with Hunter. Among the pictures of Hunter having sex with young Asian children, there were hundreds of provocative pictures of a 14 year old girl, mainly topless, and hundreds more of Hunter Biden, in sexual poses with her, HIS NIECE. She was 14 yrs old and HE WAS 48!!

    BOTTOM LINE: ANY MAN WHO CAN’T TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN HOUSE, HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

    THE END…..but, is it? Nope. Rudy says there is more to come, primarily involving Joe Biden getting rich off laundering foreign money through our country, using his son as intermediary. Biden is as dirty and crooked as they come. Hillary looks clean compared to him. Now it makes sense why Obama REFUSED to endorse him as the DNC candidate until he was the last man standing!

    More to come…
    Dear God, how much worse can this get?

  36. LL, did not take me long to make the connection I thought was there. The clue was in the Assistant Commissioners APM citation and his previous line of work before Traffic.

  37. Indolent

    UNCONFIRMED MAY BE MADE UP BULLSHIT OR PROPAGANDA given the fever pitch of the crap going on there right now.

    I read days ago that about one third of the pictures with were an underage girl who was later identified as his niece. Many of them were “face time” but some were actually together.

    I think you can take this as real. Certainly, the background given is what is known. Hunter did sleep with his sister-in-law and did lose a paternity suit.

    It only keeps getting worse.

  38. Arky

    Joe Biden has all the accoutrements of the seriously evil: the long string of dead and drug affected immediate family members.

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Heard in a pub, just off the Royal Mile, in Edinburgh, all those years ago…and the smashing piece of gear behind the bar was an Aussie lass, just started, who got a crash course in the art of selling Scotch whisky to Scotsmen…

  40. amortiser


    mh
    #3631798, posted on October 24, 2020 at 10:39 pm
    If Dan keeps Melbourne locked down in 2021, should the GF go back to the Gabba?

    I think so.

    If Melbourne is still locked down in 2021, Dear Dan will be kicked all the way to the Gabba.

  41. Zyconclast

    Thousands of women are protesting against Poland’s new abortion laws in cities across the country.
    A court ruling on Thursday banned almost all abortions – with exceptions only for cases of rape, incest, or where the mother’s health is at risk.

    Abortions carried out when the foetus is malformed, which accounted for 98% of legal terminations last year, have now been outlawed.
    Poland already had some of the EU’s strictest abortion laws.
    Fewer than 2,000 legal terminations are carried out each year. But women’s groups estimate that up to 200,000 abortions are either performed illegally, or abroad.

  42. Steve trickler

    I’d give it a go. I would, absolutely.



  43. gafa

    I will guarantee that if VicJack Inc weren’t masked up everywhere they go there’d be very little – if any – shooing away pregnant women and pinching phones from grannies in parks.

    mmm, maybe this is the real reason mask wearing is compulsory, give the vicstasi some extra chutzpah and anonymity, without it seeming too obvious!

  44. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3631850, posted on October 24, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    I watched Trial of the Chicago Seven the other night. Cohen plays Abbie Hoffman and does a creditable job of it.

    I’ve seen half of it.
    His American accent fails at times.
    And some bits of it are a bit cliche ridden, but it is not too bad.
    But I wonder.
    Are any ageing anti-war ALP hippies in Melbourne who now support Dan getting a tiny twinge of conscience watching the hyped-up riot scenes.

  45. gafa

    Even though it’s reported the Vic borders may open up before xmas it does not follow that the “ring of steel” will automatically be lifted…melbournians could still remain trapped and at the dementors mercy!

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’d give it a go. I would, absolutely.

    My physiotherapist says go for it, knock yourself out….the bill will be in the mail..

  47. gafa

    The Mayaguez Incident, the last battle of the Vietnam War.

  48. gafa

    The Brothers Grimsby, a Sacha Baron Cohen film that I will confess is up there as one of the funniest movies of it’s type that I’ve seen.

  49. Rex Anger

    @ Mark A-

    Did you know that the Merks are not for sale to anyone? (as far as I know?)

    Yep. As exclusive as the F-15A and F/A-22 for the USAF.

    Israelis will sell you the tech (best Active Protection System in play in the world at present) and the toys, but never the platform.

    The TUSK kits and M1A2 SEP fitouts are pretty schmick (and I umderstand the Australian Army will be getting its entire tank fleet modded to M1A2 SEP v2 or 3 standard soon, as wel as being expanded to 90+ from the current 59 or so), but I would love to see what you could do to trick one out to IDF Merkava IV-equivalent spec.

    I suspect our neighbours would be very upset. As would all the Leo 2 fanbois…

  50. Rex Anger

    (Even just a bucket or two of some hailstones would be useful…)

    Can you wait until after harvest?

    I’m banking on Auspost being so crap they go off during the voyage over.

    So long as Bruce wraps the buclet properly, I think we’ll be all right… 😉

  51. Steve trickler

    Always good to visit this again.

    Too the staff @96.1Fm Perth celebrating 40 years. You are fucking useless. All departments.



  52. mh

    The Brothers Grimsby, a Sacha Baron Cohen film that I will confess is up there as one of the funniest movies of it’s type that I’ve seen.

    IMDB
    Alternate Versions
    In Singapore, before the film could receive an official classification (R21) the company were required to remove a scene depicting a man sucking the poison out from his friend’s testicles as the latter has been injected in the groin with a poisonous dart. The scene which features close-up shots of the man’s scrotum, and brief shots of the man’s penis in the other man’s mouth. The scenes above have exceeded the Classification Guidelines which state that “exploitative and excessive nudity” is not allowed for all ratings.

  53. Steve trickler

    When you drive past Perth Children’s Hospital, the Telethon Institute is attached the building. Over 400 staff.

    The West Australian puts a picture of a baby in distress do justify paying for all moochers. So much money goes to people talking shit in that place.

  54. Steve trickler

    Corrections.

    Steve trickler
    #3631884, posted on October 25, 2020 at 2:24 am
    When you drive past Perth Children’s Hospital, the Telethon Institute is attached to the building. Over 400 staff.

    The West Australian puts a picture of a baby in distress to justify paying for all their moochers. So much money goes to people talking shit in that place.

  55. Colonel Crispin Berka

    It’s 2020 and apparently we have to defend the legacy of… Augusto Pinochet.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1319448559691808770

  56. stackja

    CCB – Chile be better as a Communist dictatorship?

  57. Steve trickler

    It is fun ride. Not new to this place.



  58. Steve trickler

    It is a fun ride.

    Astonishing piece of work.

  59. Colonel Crispin Berka

    What? No? Why would you say that?

  60. Zyconoclast

    The cost of raising the wall of Sydney’s biggest dam will triple to more than $2 billion unless the Berejiklian government can avoid paying for damage to the environment in the World Heritage-listed Blue Mountains area.

    Biodiversity offsets the government would need to buy if it lifts the Warragamba Dam wall by 14 metres exceed $1.34 billion to compensate for the loss of flora alone, according to leaked state government estimates obtained by the Sun-Herald. That tally is roughly twice the construction cost of lifting the wall that was put at $700 million in 2016.

    * Biodiversity offsets

    -Biodiversity offsets are measurable conservation outcomes designed to compensate for adverse and unavoidable impacts of projects, in addition to prevention and mitigation measures already implemented.
    -Biodiversity offsets are only appropriate for projects which have rigorously applied the mitigation hierarchy framework, a widely accepted approach for biodiversity conservation.
    -The aim of offsets is to achieve No Net Loss (NNL) and preferably a Net Gain (NG) of biodiversity when projects take place. Measures that are not designed to result in NNL and preferably NG are not biodiversity offsets.
    -The achievement of NNL/NG is dependent on measurable, appropriately implemented, monitored, evaluated and enforced offset schemes.
    -Biodiversity offsets must be a measure of last resort; and in certain cases offsets are not appropriate and should not be used.

  61. Oh come on

    So it’s happened: Kanye West on the Joe Rogan Experience

    Been listening for 5 mins or so. Kanye sounds fairly scatterbrained. A lot of uhhhhs and umms. It’s rambling and disjointed. Saying he’s the been put on the path of being the leader of the free world. Not really making a good case for why. Says he’s empathic but starts crapping on about record contracts. Not sure how he got from why he’d be a good president to bellyaching about record deals.

    OK I’m bored. Going to bed.

  62. egg_

    Tonight would not be the night that egg_roomba picks a fight with Huck.

    Just sayin’.

    MaRcUs AdOnIs still swinging his flabby arms about?

    FHUCKWIT’S Fairy Football “Fists of Fury”?

    Choo! Choo!

    The big question is will Penrifff bury the Melbourne faggots today?

  63. egg_

    Tonight would not be the night that egg_roomba picks a fight with Huck.

    Just sayin’.

    Checks In Box: no stern emails.

  64. Herodotus

    Apart from this week’s From Our Own Correspondents show where two out of three reports contained copious amounts of TDS, the BBC overnight took fact checking to a new low.
    In a piece that presented itself More or Less as authentic, they put forward the thesis that Trump lies most of the time. It’s a veritable tsunami of lies coming from this man, their chosen fact checkers said.
    The chap from Washington Post (!) reckoned that Trump’s utterances contained fibs and misrepresentations at about four to eight times the rate that Biden’s did.
    He went further and said Biden was being particularly careful to be accurate at present because he was aware of the momentous nature of the campaign.
    To back up this assessment they went next to a lady from the NYT, who concurred that Trump was a frequent teller of untruths and misleading statements.

  65. JC

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3631741, posted on October 24, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    I think Trump takes 320 electoral college votes.

    You’re at 86.7% Probability..

    Numbnuts Monster has scoffed at it and both Monster and Van Onselen have come out of the closet for Hiden.
    BUT, in order to make it 100% watertight, you need Barrie Cassidy.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pretty much everything I’ve heard Trump say has been verifiably true, although he is often hyperbolic and concise in using simplified statements.

    As for Biden being particularly accurate, ha.

    Nolte: Here Are 11 of Joe Biden’s Biggest Debate Lies (23 Oct)

  67. egg_

    Bruce asking in a hushed voice how they can penetrate

    That one’s a parody all on its own.

  68. JC

    You know, on a more serious note, there could be a BLXIT as polling continually suggests black support for Trump is much bigger than conventional wisdom suggests.

    One poll came out yesterday suggesting 46% black support for Trump. Today there’s this in Breitbart.

    Shock Poll: Donald Trump Down One Point Among Black Voters in Battleground Michigan

    As someone suggested, maybe, just maybe blacks also prefer cheaper petrol & electricity prices and more jobs. That would be a shock to the Demons and the MSM ( I know, same thing), but it’s possible. 🙂

    One poll mentioned by Rassie showed 46% black support for Trump on the daily tracking. Extraordinary polling and majorly extraordinary if true.

    National Daily Black Likely Voter Job Approval For @POTUS
    – October 19-23, 2020

    Mon 10/19 – 25%
    Tue 10/20 – 24%
    Wed 10/21 – 31%
    Thu 10/22 – 37%
    Fri 10/23 – 46%

  69. Herodotus

    The Australian recently ran a story from The Times (I think) which made the case that women were inherently fairer and more considerate than men. It’s not difficult to come up with lots of names of women who have been less than fair and considerate, and last time I went back looking for the story it had been relegated to a less prominent spot.
    Perhaps the Australia Post matter put paid to that theory. I was discussing it with a mate the other day, and he immediately said what about Pelosi, Feinstein, and various others of that group. He also reckoned that the lady CEO of GM would not be regarded as fair and considerate by Australian Holden dealers.

  70. egg_

    They should replace Bwuce with Roy and HG

  71. Like most of Dettol Donny’s “accomplishments” his alleged support for veterans is bullshit –

    President Donald Trump has touted the Mission Act as one of the key accomplishments of his presidency, using it as a tool to demonstrate his support for service members and veterans.

    But in a letter Monday to Moran, VA Secretary Robert Wilkie said the Senate committee did not give the agency enough notice of the Mission Act hearing. The letter states the VA was notified of the hearing on Oct. 15.

    ““I’m very disappointed the administration chose not to participate. I do not know why something as important as implementation as the Mission Act doesn’t rise to that important to the VA. Hopefully it’s not because they’re campaigning across the country,” said Sen. Jon Tester of Montana, the ranking Democrat on the veterans’ affairs committee. “The legislative branch isn’t here as a nuisance. We actually do things and have expectations.”

  72. JC

    FMD, Trafalger is coming out with this too. It literally just came out.

    Robert C. Cahaly
    @RobertCahaly
    ·
    1m
    We see this same info in our @trafalgar_group
    #BattlegroundState #polls. @Rasmussen_Poll
    is right on target here.
    Quote Tweet
    Rasmussen Reports
    @Rasmussen_Poll
    · Oct 23
    Morning Reader Data Points:

    National Daily Black Likely Voter Job Approval For @POTUS – October 19-23, 2020

    Mon 10/19 – 25%
    Tue 10/20 – 24%
    Wed 10/21 – 31%
    Thu 10/22 – 37%
    Fri 10/23 – 46%

    If this is correct, the GOP could win back the freaking house. A red sweep!

  73. Pretty much everything I’ve heard Trump say has been verifiably true, although he is often hyperbolic and concise in using simplified statements.

    Verify these statements for starters –

    Mexico will pay for the wall.

    Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere, and cases are coming way down.

    We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.

  74. JC

    Play spot the black dude in this pic.
    Caption says:

    Protesters block Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials from taking two illegal aliens into custody in Bend, Ore.,

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers – The first is not entirely wrong since Mexico is now enforcing the border vigorously after Trump negotiated it (by threatening tariffs). That is the art of the deal, if you don’t get exactly what you want, getting something nearly as good is acceptable. However if tariffs had been levied then he would’ve been correct, since the tariffs would’ve offset the cost of the wall. But Trump is very keen on good foreign relations, hence the compromise – which has been working well as illegal migration is ‘way down.

    The second was true when it was stated, which was on May 11. You can see the daily new cases graph for the USA here.

    As for the third, that may even be correct since we know that Dem states have (a) let covid loose into nursing homes and (b) incentivized reporting of as many deaths as possible as covid deaths ($13,000 is a lot of money for a signature – and even USA Today rated the claim as true).

    Having said all that I didn’t say everything he says is correct, I said “pretty much everything I’ve heard Trump say”, which is not the same thing. Compared to Joe Biden he is a veritable saint though.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    But believe whatever you want Numbers. You always do.

  77. rickw

    Salty Cracker, 7:55, Nazi problems:

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    Identify this poster:

    ‘I couldn’t care less what happens in the land of the shooting spree.’

    ‘The United States is not a democracy.’

    ‘I should be able to vote in US elections.’

  79. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Biodiversity offsets the government would need to buy if it lifts the Warragamba Dam wall by 14 metres exceed $1.34 billion to compensate for the loss of flora alone,\

    maybe the flora can set up a casino with the funds…. what a load of utter bollocks

  80. Knuckle Dragger

    There’s a longish piece from Credlin this morning in The Hun.

    There are small parts that are a bit self-serving; ‘I quickly realised that there was evidence missing’ and that sort of thing, but the rest is a quite impressive description of the original intent of the Coate enquiry – ie, a whitewash as opposed to what it became.

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    What would a palace be without 600 clocks?

    Queen’s staff spend staggering amount of time changing clocks at royal residences (24 Oct)

    Royal Collection Trust staff will spend more than 40 hours adjusting clocks at the Queen’s official residences. This includes 600 timepieces at Buckingham Palace, 450 at Windsor Castle and 50 at the Palace of Holyroodhouse.

    Clocks go back an hour in the early hours of Sunday when the UK switches to Greenwich Mean Time.

    A team of horological conservators will be kept busy through the weekend changing the clocks.

    Oh the horological horror.

  82. Shy Ted

    Morning Cats, can anyone recommend me a car insurer, ute. Premiums seem to have gone through the roof. $740 from Woolworths insurance. FMD. Got 60% NCB. Cheers

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    Another decent Hun piece. Andrew Rule this time, who is generally a very good read, on the timely death of an elderly chockie in Griffith. Of the family that knocked off Donald Mackay.

    He raises some interesting points. Why is there a statue of Al Grassby, who authorised that little beauty and why hasn’t it been torn down, melted and recast into one of Mackay?

  84. OldOzzie

    It has Now / Even made Fox News!!!!

    New conservative PAC launches satirical campaign ad: ‘Weekend at Biden’s’

    Ad spoofs hit film ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ with former VP in starring role

  85. OldOzzie

    Oops Link

    New conservative PAC launches satirical campaign ad: ‘Weekend at Biden’s’

    Ad spoofs hit film ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ with former VP in starring role

  86. Mater

    Verify these statements for starters –

    Stop me when I get to something that is fact:

    My father enlisted in the RAAF whrn he heard to news of the Darwin bombing. He served in PNG from 1942 until 1946.

    My father enlisted in the RAAF ten days after Darwin was bombed.

    Dad enlisted one day after the news of the Japanese raids on Darwin came through.

    My section had two Murris, both conscripts.

    In NSW the term is sectioned. (Section 4C5 of the Mental Health Act, 2007)

    I have never told a lie on this blog.

    I have never darkened the door of an RSL since 1971…

    They conscripted half-blind Nashos to serve in infantry battalions until one was killed in a mine explosion which also killed two other diggers.

    Yeah, didn’t think so.

  87. Diogenes

    Like most of Dettol Donny’s “accomplishments” his alleged support for veterans is bullshit –

    With your comprehension skills are you really doing a PHD ?

    Let me see if I have this straight. It is the God Emporer’s fault that another branch of government, the Senate, over which he has no authority, did not allow give enough notice to the VA that they were holding an enquiry?

  88. Shy Ted, they appear to do that when a car turns five. Even so, $740.00 means that they don’t want your business.
    When they did it to my work SUV I surfed the companies and came up with Alliance at almost half the premium.
    But, it is never consistent, quotes seem to vary on a daily basis. At the moment however Alliance seems to be the hungriest.
    Stay away from the companies at the top of the search page, and the supposed insurance premium search programs.

  89. Figures

    If there is a red sweep then I sincerely hope the Republicans have the balls to do the Democrats exactly what the Democrats have: a) done to them; and b) said they were going to do to them.

    All Democrat congresscritters and Senators should be impeached (it doesn’t matter if that is even a thing, it needs to be one) – every Democrat is a vicious criminal but it would actually be better if Republicans picked out the most trivial crimes they have committed on which to hang them. All Democrat mayors and AGs should be rounded up and imprisoned unless they actually did their jobs in fighting BLM rioters.

    The first day of Trump’s term he should declare a national emergency of the economy – blame it all on mainstream media and shut down every newspaper that promoted lockdowns (ie anti-Trump media). We can forget about constitutions and laws – Democrats always do – and besides, if Democrat governors can shut down churches because a few people got the sniffles, then clearly the President can shut down every unfavourable news outlet because of a very real economic crisis that these news outlets are predominantly responsible for.

  90. OldOzzie

    Trump Still Miles Ahead of Biden in Social Media Engagement

    The New York Times Kevin Roose
    October 23, 2020

    But Trump is far from muzzled online. In fact, in recent weeks, he has widened his social media engagement lead over Biden.

    In the past 30 days, Trump’s official Facebook page has gotten 130 million reactions, shares and comments, compared with 18 million for Biden’s page, according to data from CrowdTangle, a Facebook-owned data platform. That is significantly larger than the engagement gap for the preceding 30-day period, when Trump got 86 million interactions to Biden’s 10 million.

    Trump trounced Biden on Instagram, too, getting 60 million likes and comments on his posts in the past 30 days, nearly twice as many as Biden’s 34 million. In the preceding 30-day period, Trump got 39 million likes and comments, while Biden got 13 million.

    Trump also far outpaced Biden on YouTube, getting 207 million views on his videos in the last 30 days to Biden’s 29 million, according to SocialBlade, a data firm that tracks video performance. (SocialBlade’s data, which includes views on YouTube ads as well as unpaid videos, is slightly different than CrowdTangle’s Facebook and Instagram engagement data, which counts mostly engagement on unpaid posts.)

    Social media performance is not a proxy for electoral success, of course, and Trump’s campaign would probably prefer to be leading in swing-state polls than on Facebook and YouTube. Engagement data also does not capture how many people view or click on posts, only how strong a reaction they elicit. And Facebook has argued that data about “reach” — the number of people who actually see a given post in their feeds — shows a more accurate picture of what is popular on the platform. (It does not, however, make this data publicly available.)

  91. OldOzzie

    The Wonders of Today – Watching my Grandson’s First Communion streamed from Chapel (as restricted numbers) on split screen – Joys of Life

  92. Rockdoctor

    Shy Ted, they appear to do that when a car turns five. Even so, $740.00 means that they don’t want your business.

    If you are in Queensland Suncorp is pretty good too, usually beats all competitors. We just did a review of some of our insurances and dropped a couple when doing a ratio of the premium to market value if destroyed. Premiums for about 15 years have been increasing by multiples of CPI a year I have noticed for no discernible reason.

  93. OldOzzie

    Sudan: The Three Yeses

    Editorial of The New York Sun | October 23, 2020

    President Trump’s latest peace deal related to Israel — announced today with Sudan — is hard to appreciate fully without reference to the Khartoum resolution of 1967. It was issued at a summit of the Arab League at Sudan’s capital after the [email protected] state emerged as the victor in the Six-Day War. The resolution came to be called “the three nos” — “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.”

    So it’s hard to imagine a more dramatic turn around, even if it took 53 years. The New York Times is stressing that the deal appears, at least for the moment, to stop short of full diplomatic recognition involving opening embassies. What Mr. Trump has brokered, though, could be called (and may well be called) “the three yeses” — “yes to peace with Israel, yes to recognition of Israel, and yes to negotiations with it.”

    Good for the Sudan, good for Israel, and good for American leadership. Naturally, the diplomatic establishment is wringing its hands, a point that was well marked in the Sun yesterday by Jonathan Tobin of the [email protected] News Syndicate. He reports that the foreign policy “adults” have been fretting that Mr. Trump has been too heavy handed. He even removed Sudan from America’s terrorist list in exchange for recognition of Israel.

    Our own view is that maybe Mr. Trump watched Steven Spielberg’s movie “Lincoln.” It dramatized all the deal making and arm twisting our 16th president employed to get our own Congress to pass our own Constitution’s 13th Amendment outlawing slavery. In Mr. Trump’s case, the cynics will suggest that Mr. Trump’s motivations are calculated for short term benefit here at home.

    To us it looks remarkable. Until recently, Sudan had what Mr. Tobin calls “one of the most dangerous and most despised governments on the planet.” It has been rent by 30 years of famine and war and, in Darfur, genocide. It had, Mr. Tobin notes, hosted Osama bin Laden, in addition to Hezbollah and radical Palestinian groups. In 2016, though, its dictator, Omar al-Bashir, broke with Iran.

  94. johanna

    Zippy at 7.45 – interesting story. I read the link to the SMH article and then ploughed through 130+ comments. To my surprise, there are quite a few readers of the Silly who agree that TheirABC is unrepresentative and city-centric.

    As usual, a lot of the comments totally misrepresented what Gaven Morris actually said, claiming that he was asking them to be more right wing or to stop covering booga booga climate ‘science.’ What he said was that they need to reflect broader sections of the population, and that there was a perception that they were focused on the concerns of inner city elites. That’s as mild a description as you could imagine of that pox ridden leftist collective, but it sent the usual suspects into fits of hysteria in the comments.

    If Morris is serious, he might start by banning stories by staff about how they are coping with lockdowns, how hard it is to be a (well paid) journalist in these times, and what their children think about US politics (Zoe Daniel, I’m looking at you.)

  95. OldOzzie

    EDITORIAL
    Democrats’ Amy Coney Barrett tantrum

    by Washington Examiner,

    Democrats aren’t just opposing the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court. They’re having a tantrum over it.

    On Thursday, as the Senate Judiciary Committee voted to advance Barrett’s nomination, Democrats boycotted.

    “Throughout the hearings last week, committee Democrats demonstrated the damage a Justice Barrett would do — to healthcare, reproductive freedoms, the ability to vote, and other core rights that Americans cherish,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Judiciary Committee Democrats said in announcing their boycott. “We will not grant this process any further legitimacy by participating in a committee markup of this nomination just 12 days before the culmination of an election that is already underway.”

    Instead of showing up, they planted behind their microphones large-sized photos of children who they claimed would be in danger were the Supreme Court to overturn Obamacare next month. This was part of their strategy to turn the hearings into a messaging event about the issue of preexisting conditions.

    It was a pathetic display. Democrats can raise procedural or ideological arguments against Barrett all they want, but the reality is that they have not been able to make a dent in her qualifications or her integrity.

    For three days, Barrett sat and listened to senators and put her cutting intellect and deep knowledge of the law on full display. She was calm, friendly, and unflappable. She made clear her belief in judging based on the meaning of the Constitution and the law, not based on what she may hope it would be. And she easily swatted away Democratic attempts to try and get her to pre-commit to positions on cases that could come before the court.

    Toward the conclusion of the hearings, ranking Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein was effusive about how they had gone. “This has been one of the best set of hearings that I’ve participated in,” said Feinstein, who was elected in 1992. She even gave Senate Judiciary Chairman Sen. Lindsey Graham a hug.

    Her brief lapse into civility did not sit well with liberals, many of whom immediately called for her resignation. The left-wing Demand Justice group declared, “It’s time for Sen. Feinstein to step down from her leadership position on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

  96. OldOzzie

    Final debate: War Admiral vs. Seabiscuit

    For all the chatter about the adolescence of the first debate and the blown chance for a second, President Trump reignited the lamp of hope that 2016 was but a harbinger of 2020. He answered the bell.

    Contrary to expectations, this did not turn into another partisan scrum where none were listening and all were shouting. In big ways and small, we witnessed the inherent difference between a lifetime politician raised by the system and a consummate outsider bred to challenge it.

    As opposed to the first square-off, where the moderator tried too hard to be a major part of it, NBC’s Kristen Welker created a virtual classroom where Americans were schooled on why this election matters. Yet it’s fair to observe that the questions posed seemed geared more toward reinforcing a Democratic nominee.

    Little time was spent delving into foreign policy, as if North Korea (armed to its nuclear teeth) merited no more than passing attention, or the historic breakthrough in the Middle East between Israel, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, which earned the president a Nobel Peace Prize nomination.

    Scant attention was paid to the challenger’s intention to raise taxes versus drilling down on the president’s own or to Trump’s landmark achievement on criminal justice reform.

    No time at all was given to the issue of law and order and the movement to defund police, despite the looting and burning that devastated the peace (and closed down scores of small businesses) in major American cities.

    With that said, here are five key takeaways:

  97. Tom

    Pretty much everything I’ve heard Trump say has been verifiably true, although he is often hyperbolic and concise in using simplified statements.

    Trump is Willy Loman in Death of a Salesman. He’s a very entertaining bullshit artist who’s the ultimate salesman for the USA and the huge crowds that turn out to see his rallies (I’m watching one now) love him for it — “we love you” being one of this year’s crowd chants.

    He is not a liar. The only people who think he is are his demented opponents who have lied their heads off defending the stinking corruption of the DC swamp, which Trump went to Washington to expose.

  98. Yeah, didn’t think so.

    Just following dettol Donny’s example, and getting with the Catallaxy vibe.
    Most of what is posted here is lies, when it isn’t a whinge.
    Then there’s all the conspiracy theory garbage.
    Great entertainment…

  99. Gab

    Apparently Peta Credlin wrote a good column in the Herald Sun. Can anyone with a subscription post it here, please?

  100. Leigh Lowe

    gafa

    #3631868, posted on October 25, 2020 at 12:57 am

    The Mayaguez Incident, the last battle of the Vietnam War.

    Wait!
    What?
    The Vietnam War is over?

  101. OldOzzie

    Hunter’s Ex-Business Partner Says Joe Biden Lied About Business Deals In China, FBI Has Proof

    Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of Hunter Biden, accused former VP Joe Biden of lying about his role in his son’s international dealings during a statement to the WH press corps just 90 minutes before Thursday’s presidential debate. Bobulinski, who was a guest at the debate, said he has three phones that will prove his claims and he is giving them to the FBI.

  102. areff

    Ray Kroc more than Willie Loman, I reckon, Tom.

  103. Knuckle Dragger

    Hunter Biden’s running out of time.

    He’s only got nine days to die in mysterious circumstances and create a tsunami of sympathy-driven votes for his father.

    *looks at watch*
    ‘Tick tock, Mr Biden.’
    /John Wick

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Gab

    #3631964, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:01 am

    Apparently Peta Credlin wrote a good column in the Herald Sun. Can anyone with a subscription post it here, please?

    KD said it was quite long and bits of it were self-serving, so we might have to clearly label it to distinguish it from the work of others.

  105. He is not a liar.

    Define “liar”.
    I’ve always believed that it is applied to someone who doesn’t tell the truth.
    The sobriquet “salesman” is charitable, but then, most rational customers take everything a salesman says with a pinch of salt.
    The Septics are the most naively gullible people on the planet.

  106. OldOzzie

    Op-Ed
    Trump cleaned Biden’s clock on race

    The Washington Post

    But a closer look shows that Trump was the big winner, because he was the only candidate who landed blows that damaged his opponent with a constituency Biden desperately needs to win the presidency — African American voters. On Thursday night, Trump cleaned Biden’s clock on race.

    Moderator Kristen Welker asked both candidates whether they understood the fears of Black and brown families who worry their children “could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the color of their skin.” When it was Trump’s turn to answer, he said “Yes, I do” and laid out his record, including opportunity zones to bring investment into struggling Black communities, substantial funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities, prison reform and criminal justice reform. By contrast, he said, Biden has “been in government for 47 years. He never did a thing except in 1994 when he did such harm to the Black community” with his crime bill.

    Biden responded by trying to take credit for Trump’s success on criminal justice reform, saying “The very law he’s talking about is the law that, in fact, initiated by Barack Obama.” But Trump kept pressing him on why he and Obama didn’t pass it? “You were vice president,” Trump said. “You keep talking about all these things you’re going to do … but you were there just a short time ago and you guys did nothing.”

    Biden tried to change the subject with a snide remark, noting “Abraham Lincoln here is one of the most racist presidents we’ve had in modern history. He pours fuel on every single racist fire, every single one.” Trump replied calmly, “I didn’t say I’m Abraham Lincoln. I said, not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I’ve done for the black community. Now you have done nothing other than the crime bill, which put tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail. And you know what? They remember it. … they remember that you treated them very, very badly.”

  107. Leigh Lowe

    KD.
    The old bloke from Griffith who died.
    Sergi.
    Any relation to Sergi cranes in Melbourne?
    From memory the proprietor came to grief under a road bridge span on the Geelong road when one of his own cranes failed.

  108. Mater

    Most of what is posted here is lies, when it isn’t a whinge.

    I made a list. How about you follow suit, you seeker of truth, you?

    Surely that “Inbuilt Crap Detector” of yours can provide at least five lies from the combined comments here?

    Let’s see it, Bob. Go!

  109. OldOzzie

    Peta Credlin: Melburnians won’t forget Daniel Andrews caused lockdown hell

    The fact that a new COVID-19 outbreak in Melbourne’s northern suburbs could put at risk Sunday’s expected relaxation of the virtual house arrest people have been under for months, tells you everything you need to know about how Victoria got into this mess in the first place despite the longest and toughest lockdowns in the world.

    Premier Daniel Andrews has had months to fix Victoria’s broken contact-tracing system that’s still run using spreadsheets, fax machines and bits of paper — and the fact it isn’t is why NSW and Queensland can cope with outbreaks and stay open, while Victoria’s response is more lockdowns.

    If we don’t open up Sunday, this is why; and while it will be devastating for Melburnians, it will also damage the Premier’s cunning political plan to use easing of restrictions to trigger mass amnesia about how people got there in the first place.

    But people aren’t stupid. They understand the Premier’s decision to go it alone and use private security guards, instead of police and defence force personnel, caused the state’s second-wave outbreak — and they want answers as to how it happened and why.

    Just have a look at the rest of the country which is all but back to living some sort of COVID normal and you can see how devastating the Premier’s decisions back in March have been for Victorians – over 800 lives lost, businesses that are on their knees, statewide economic pain and countless more suffering serious mental-health effects from decisions that fail all tests of government competence, probity and procurement.

    The Premier’s plan was that gratitude at their release would trump the anger of Melbourne residents over their needless imprisonment.

    But if we want the best-possible government — and surely everyone does — it’s vital that the truth emerges about the escape of this deadly virus from the quarantine hotels where it should have been safely locked up.

    And that’s why it’s crucial that the Coate Inquiry doesn’t end up the whitewash that the Premier so clearly always intended it to be.

    It was only three weeks ago tomorrow that the closing submission from counsel assisting the inquiry was running the line that no one was really to blame for Victoria’s decision to reject National Cabinet’s recommendation to set up hotel quarantine using police and the ADF.

    Instead, we were told, the use of some very shady private security contractors was just a “creeping assumption”; a fateful decision for Victoria to go it alone that had somehow emerged from nowhere and had been pushed by no one.

    Stop. Government doesn’t work like that, even in an emergency, and particularly when we’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars; indeed, if you follow the money (and the individuals connected) that’s where you’ll find it just gets more and more interesting.

    The Inquiry should have recalled Jenny Mikakos when she resigned two days before the closing submissions, saying she “strongly disagreed” with the Premier’s sworn testimony.

    But it didn’t. And as that week progressed, and I found more and more witnesses who should have been called but were not, I came to the very sorry view that Coate was well on her way to writing up a report with very little relevance to what really happened to help cause the deaths of over 800 Victorians.

    That’s when I decided I had to go to the Premier’s 99th daily media conference and press him on questions that the inquiry had not asked.

    It wasn’t just about the infamous six minutes and the missing incoming call logs for former police chief Graham Ashton. As soon as I understood Ashton’s evidence only had his outgoing calls, I quickly realised he was the only witness with even partial phone records on the table.

    Where was the Premier, his office, departmental chiefs, ministers and countless others?

    Not only weren’t their phone records provided but for most they weren’t even sought. In the end it was only public pressure that forced the hand of the Coate Inquiry to do what it should have done months earlier; and once the phone records were released, the Premier’s top official, Secretary of Premier and Cabinet Chris Eccles resigned overnight.

    Other witnesses were not called: like David Millward, the owner of Unified Security which picked up a $30m contract for three months’ work in under six hours, despite not even being on the official list of approved security contractors.

    This was just the sort of red flag the Victorian government’s own procurement watchdog warned about when it wrote to all departments three days prior to this special deal and said “in usual times like this, it is important to acknowledge an increased risk of unscrupulous or ill-prepared suppliers”, and “please be vigilant about the use of suppliers, in particular new suppliers”.

    This independent watchdog, the Victorian Government Purchasing Board, hasn’t provided any evidence to the Coate Inquiry even though it sent letters throughout the year raising serious probity concerns with ministers and officials about use of private security contracts in hotel quarantine.

    It was particularly concerned that the Jobs Department was running these contracts, yet it was (and still is) the only major department that hadn’t set up an independent procurement unit by the deadline of January 2019.

    This matters because it is meant to ensure that mates and cronies don’t get taxpayer money; yet to date, Coate has not pursued these serious questions.

    When I asked the Premier about this at his press conference, he couldn’t tell me about the letters, he couldn’t tell me about the missing evidence from the VGPB or why they haven’t been called by Coate, nor could he explain why the Jobs Department was 18 months late meeting probity requirements yet were still put in charge of running his government’s COVID procurement.

    There are even contracts granted, without a tender, connected to family members in the Premier’s own office, plus outfits like Unified that are operated by individuals who have twice before gone into administration owing creditors millions. And I promise you, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.

    Belatedly, last week, the inquiry held what it termed an “extraordinary” hearing where counsel assisting tabled further emails from Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton which suggested not only that his testimony had been incomplete and misleading but that he’d even instructed his lawyers (paid for by taxpayers) to specifically withhold information.

    The inquiry is now seeking further evidence, via affidavit, from Professor Sutton and others.

    I am disturbed that rather than get witnesses back in the box and to probe them properly, it is just requiring further information by way of affidavit — which is weak.

    For those who are not lawyers, my fundamental problem with this latest move is that affidavits are simply statements that clever lawyers write for their clients.

    Sure, the client has to swear the statement is true and sign it but it’s a very different proposition to facing tough questions in the witness box.

    If more than 800 people had not died and if billions of dollars of damage and lasting mental pain had not been inflicted as a result of decisions made back in March, all this might seem like crying over spilt milk.

    But if mistakes are not examined, they will never be corrected; and if government is not held accountable, it will never be improved.

    With the parliament hardly sitting and with the Labor Party put into administration, the Coate Inquiry is virtually the only accountability mechanism left for the people of Victoria.

    For much of the past 12 hours, the Premier will have been caught between a rock and a hard place — fearing more outbreaks if he opens up and still unsure about the capability of his second rate contact-tracing system, but also knowing that easing restrictions is the only way to wind back the daily media conferences which, given the limited parliamentary scrutiny, have become the main means of keeping him honest.

    His original plan — that Coate would wash this all away with a “creeping assumption”, that once restrictions eased people would forget the past six months of hell and that by throwing around enough borrowed cash to anaesthetise the economic pain of the lockdown, all might be forgotten — is in tatters.

    Victoria is the only state to reject the National Cabinet decision and went it alone on hotel quarantine security, and it remains the only state in lockdown this morning.

    The fact that the Premier still has doubts about a contact tracing system that should have been remedied months ago says everything about this government’s ongoing incompetence.

  110. Knuckle Dragger

    Gab, here – length warning:

    ‘The fact that a new COVID-19 outbreak in Melbourne’s northern suburbs could put at risk Sunday’s expected relaxation of the virtual house arrest people have been under for months, tells you everything you need to know about how Victoria got into this mess in the first place despite the longest and toughest lockdowns in the world.

    ‘Premier Daniel Andrews has had months to fix Victoria’s broken contact-tracing system that’s still run using spreadsheets, fax machines and bits of paper — and the fact it isn’t is why NSW and Queensland can cope with outbreaks and stay open, while Victoria’s response is more lockdowns.

    ‘If we don’t open up Sunday, this is why; and while it will be devastating for Melburnians, it will also damage the Premier’s cunning political plan to use easing of restrictions to trigger mass amnesia about how people got there in the first place.

    ‘But people aren’t stupid. They understand the Premier’s decision to go it alone and use private security guards, instead of police and defence force personnel, caused the state’s second-wave outbreak — and they want answers as to how it happened and why.

    ‘Just have a look at the rest of the country which is all but back to living some sort of COVID normal and you can see how devastating the Premier’s decisions back in March have been for Victorians – over 800 lives lost, businesses that are on their knees, statewide economic pain and countless more suffering serious mental-health effects from decisions that fail all tests of government competence, probity and procurement.

    ‘The Premier’s plan was that gratitude at their release would trump the anger of Melbourne residents over their needless imprisonment.

    ‘But if we want the best-possible government — and surely everyone does — it’s vital that the truth emerges about the escape of this deadly virus from the quarantine hotels where it should have been safely locked up.

    ‘And that’s why it’s crucial that the Coate Inquiry doesn’t end up the whitewash that the Premier so clearly always intended it to be.

    ‘It was only three weeks ago tomorrow that the closing submission from counsel assisting the inquiry was running the line that no one was really to blame for Victoria’s decision to reject National Cabinet’s recommendation to set up hotel quarantine using police and the ADF.

    ‘Instead, we were told, the use of some very shady private security contractors was just a “creeping assumption”; a fateful decision for Victoria to go it alone that had somehow emerged from nowhere and had been pushed by no one.

    ‘Stop. Government doesn’t work like that, even in an emergency, and particularly when we’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars; indeed, if you follow the money (and the individuals connected) that’s where you’ll find it just gets more and more interesting.

    ‘The Inquiry should have recalled Jenny Mikakos when she resigned two days before the closing submissions, saying she “strongly disagreed” with the Premier’s sworn testimony.

    ‘But it didn’t. And as that week progressed, and I found more and more witnesses who should have been called but were not, I came to the very sorry view that Coate was well on her way to writing up a report with very little relevance to what really happened to help cause the deaths of over 800 Victorians.

    ‘That’s when I decided I had to go to the Premier’s 99th daily media conference and press him on questions that the inquiry had not asked.

    ‘It wasn’t just about the infamous six minutes and the missing incoming call logs for former police chief Graham Ashton. As soon as I understood Ashton’s evidence only had his outgoing calls, I quickly realised he was the only witness with even partial phone records on the table.

    ‘Where was the Premier, his office, departmental chiefs, ministers and countless others?

    ‘Not only weren’t their phone records provided but for most they weren’t even sought. In the end it was only public pressure that forced the hand of the Coate Inquiry to do what it should have done months earlier; and once the phone records were released, the Premier’s top official, Secretary of Premier and Cabinet Chris Eccles resigned overnight.

    ‘Other witnesses were not called: like David Millward, the owner of Unified Security which picked up a $30m contract for three months’ work in under six hours, despite not even being on the official list of approved security contractors.

    ‘This was just the sort of red flag the Victorian government’s own procurement watchdog warned about when it wrote to all departments three days prior to this special deal and said “in usual times like this, it is important to acknowledge an increased risk of unscrupulous or ill-prepared suppliers”, and “please be vigilant about the use of suppliers, in particular new suppliers”.

    ‘This independent watchdog, the Victorian Government Purchasing Board, hasn’t provided any evidence to the Coate Inquiry even though it sent letters throughout the year raising serious probity concerns with ministers and officials about use of private security contracts in hotel quarantine.

    ‘It was particularly concerned that the Jobs Department was running these contracts, yet it was (and still is) the only major department that hadn’t set up an independent procurement unit by the deadline of January 2019.

    ‘This matters because it is meant to ensure that mates and cronies don’t get taxpayer money; yet to date, Coate has not pursued these serious questions.

    ‘When I asked the Premier about this at his press conference, he couldn’t tell me about the letters, he couldn’t tell me about the missing evidence from the VGPB or why they haven’t been called by Coate, nor could he explain why the Jobs Department was 18 months late meeting probity requirements yet were still put in charge of running his government’s COVID procurement.

    ‘There are even contracts granted, without a tender, connected to family members in the Premier’s own office, plus outfits like Unified that are operated by individuals who have twice before gone into administration owing creditors millions. And I promise you, this is all just the tip of the iceberg.

    ‘Belatedly, last week, the inquiry held what it termed an “extraordinary” hearing where counsel assisting tabled further emails from Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton which suggested not only that his testimony had been incomplete and misleading but that he’d even instructed his lawyers (paid for by taxpayers) to specifically withhold information.

    ‘The inquiry is now seeking further evidence, via affidavit, from Professor Sutton and others.

    ‘I am disturbed that rather than get witnesses back in the box and to probe them properly, it is just requiring further information by way of affidavit — which is weak.

    ‘For those who are not lawyers, my fundamental problem with this latest move is that affidavits are simply statements that clever lawyers write for their clients.

    ‘Sure, the client has to swear the statement is true and sign it but it’s a very different proposition to facing tough questions in the witness box.

    ‘If more than 800 people had not died and if billions of dollars of damage and lasting mental pain had not been inflicted as a result of decisions made back in March, all this might seem like crying over spilt milk.

    ‘But if mistakes are not examined, they will never be corrected; and if government is not held accountable, it will never be improved.

    ‘With the parliament hardly sitting and with the Labor Party put into administration, the Coate Inquiry is virtually the only accountability mechanism left for the people of Victoria.

    ‘For much of the past 12 hours, the Premier will have been caught between a rock and a hard place — fearing more outbreaks if he opens up and still unsure about the capability of his second rate contact-tracing system, but also knowing that easing restrictions is the only way to wind back the daily media conferences which, given the limited parliamentary scrutiny, have become the main means of keeping him honest.

    ‘His original plan — that Coate would wash this all away with a “creeping assumption”, that once restrictions eased people would forget the past six months of hell and that by throwing around enough borrowed cash to anaesthetise the economic pain of the lockdown, all might be forgotten — is in tatters.

    ‘Victoria is the only state to reject the National Cabinet decision and went it alone on hotel quarantine security, and it remains the only state in lockdown this morning.

    ‘The fact that the Premier still has doubts about a contact tracing system that should have been remedied months ago says everything about this government’s ongoing incompetence.’

    Of course, Credlin misses the target completely. It’s really about ScoMo and Guterres and Soros.

    And maritime law. And the year 1619. And furniture stores.

  111. rickw

    Wait!
    What?
    The Vietnam War is over?

    Hold on a minute! I’m hanging around waiting to be conscripted and it’s over?!!!

  112. Knuckle Dragger

    Snap, OldOzzie. Should have known better!

  113. Leigh Lowe

    provide at least five lies from the combined comments here?

    Ah, well.
    Confession time.
    You know where I said it was 5 kilometres from the homestead to the front gate of our property?
    Look, it is a long-ish driveway, but that one does contain elements of hyper-bowl.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3631979, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:13 am

    Gab, here – length warning:

    Please.
    Phrasing.

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    Haha, linking to a wiki about Trump? That’s hilarious. Pravda would be more believable.

    I notice you haven’t disproved anything I wrote. That is because it is very hard to disprove truth backed with data. Data is not wikipedia entries constructed by far-lefties.

    Meanwhile he’s one about Joe from an author who doesn’t like Trump.

    Biden’s biggest asset is his lie-ability (23 Oct)

  116. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Any relation to Sergi cranes in Melbourne?’

    Completely coincidentally, but yes.

    A totally legit business though. Like Soprano Waste Management.

  117. Mater

    Just following dettol Donny’s example, and getting with the Catallaxy vibe.
    Most of what is posted here is lies, when it isn’t a whinge.

    BTW Bob, some of those lies come from your own site.
    I take it that the Catallaxy vibe permeates into your personal blog?

    her husband enlisted in the RAAF in late 1941

    Dad enlisted one day after the news of the Japanese raids on Darwin came through.

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    Hey. I gave a warning.

    If I wanted to surprise people I would have just said ‘Length!’

  119. OldOzzie

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3631981, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:14 am
    Snap, OldOzzie. Should have known better!

    Heh – me – Split Screen – Grandsons on 2 TV’s – Bluey on one, Mater Shorts on other, Wife on her PC 1st Communion

  120. Rex Anger

    @ Zippy-

    Read your link, and the comments.

    I now want to see what happens when Rupert Murdoch runs for and gets elected as PM, or worse, President.

    It is very clear that most ardent fans of the ABC/SMH, etc. use his name as a buzzword for the personification of all evil, the only hateword more frequent in their screechy rants than Trump and IPA (Kinda agree on this one- Far too hoppy and makes me feel ill. Stout beer or bust!).

    It is also very clear that large portions of well-off and educated people in this country are vehemently socialist, right up to the point whete the means of production are seized, and all personal property surrendered.

    Poor fella my country, indeed…

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Hold on a minute! I’m hanging around waiting to be conscripted and it’s over?!!!

    Stand down.
    Too short.
    Too old.
    Flat feet.

  122. Mater

    You know where I said it was 5 kilometres from the homestead to the front gate of our property?

    You allowed the Gate House to be built closer?
    Heathen!

  123. Rockdoctor

    Curious. Whats the revolt going in the Vic Liberals at the moment, can’t get past H-S or Oz paywall. It it a continuation of what a Melbourne Cat posted here a few months back about the rift between the O’Brien softly softly types and the impetuous Smith types who favour a more robust approach to Andrews? No other news outlet reporting on it yet…

  124. Dr Faustus

    The virus of tyranny is alive and growing — and there’s no permanent vaccine

    Opinion, not analysis, an obligatory passing slap at Trump – but Stan Grant takes a tour of how ‘science’, expertism, and authoritarian strongmen have transformed the Rona into something more destructive than the disease.

    Interesting that their ABC is publishing towards the libertarian side and implicitly criticising Big Government.

  125. Mater

    Stand down.
    Too short.
    Too old.
    Flat feet.

    One leg shorter than the other.

  126. Snoopy

    ABC news boss Gaven Morris told staff they were too focused on the interests of “inner city left-wing elites” and linked his concerns about editorial coverage to the national broadcaster’s ongoing funding from taxpayers.

    In today’s ABC News:

    City farming on rise as COVID-19 makes people rethink how they source their food

    Ring your office, Gaven.

  127. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking of hyper-bowl, someone repeated to me yesterday the footy-media line about the MCG being empty.
    How eyrie and spooky, yada, yada.
    I said it was pretty much the same as this time last year.
    On the last Saturday in October the place would be empty except for maybe 4 or 5 groundsmen mowing the grass.

  128. min

    Biden boasts that Obama and he put in the the most extensive voter fraud organisation in history ( see video Michaelsmith) dementia jumbled words but he says it . Also the debate with Sanders on cutting social security and vet payments that he promoted for years , Sanders claimed that he stopped this happening.

  129. custard

    There are two Catholic nuns in the crowd immediately behind the Trumpster at his rally currently taking place in Ohio.

  130. Dr Faustus

    Bobulinski, who was a guest at the debate, said he has three phones that will prove his claims and he is giving them to the FBI.

    Is giving them”.
    Sounds like an invitation to treat.

  131. OldOzzie

    Biden: OK to Frack for Natural Gas—Not OK to Burn It

    Electricity generation is the main use of natural gas. It accounts for a third of all natural gas, using 11 trillion cubic feet of gas per year and growing. That is almost twice the amount of natural gas produced in all of Pennsylvania last year. Eliminating all this natural gas demand by 2035 would require idling countless natural gas wells and power plants, devastating local economies in Pennsylvania and elsewhere and destroying many good jobs. Without reliable natural gas electricity, states would experience California-like rolling blackouts.

    This Green New Deal goal would never get congressional approval, but that may not matter. Biden promises to achieve his clean energy goals by fiat, issuing executive orders of “unprecedented reach that go well beyond the Obama-Biden Administration platform.” A Biden administration would move to achieve its goal of “carbon-free” electricity generation through an even more aggressive version of President Obama’s “Clean Power Plan” regulations. This Clean Power Plan 2.0 would require utilities to idle, then dismantle, their natural gas power plants.

    President Trump’s accusation that Joe Biden would ban fracking is therefore closer to the truth than the fact checkers care to admit. It does not take a master’s degree in communications or journalism to realize that a ban on using natural gas is a ban on extracting it, whether through fracking or through ordinary drilling. That’s the Biden plan.

    President Trump, for his part, has been crystal clear: if re-elected, he will continue vigorously supporting America’s energy revolution, inexpensive energy, and jobs, as he has for four years.

  132. Leigh Lowe

    Rockdoctor, here you go …

    The Victorian Liberal Party is in revolt over the failure to hold democratic elections during the pandemic, escalating demands for federal intervention and membership input into preselections.

    The party is being inundated with demands from branches and senior figures for the deadlock over membership votes to be ­broken by the end of the year.

    Former federal minister Rod Kemp, who is chairman of the Kooyong federal electorate conference, has urged the party leadership to find solutions to enable an annual general meeting for state council and plebiscite preselections.

    Mr Kemp’s position is believed to be backed by senior federal MPs, including Josh Frydenberg, the member for Kooyong, and Greg Hunt. Noting that the coronavirus will be an issue for many more months, Mr Kemp has urged state president Robert Clark to ­detail a road map to return democracy to the party.

    “With all indications that metropolitan Melbourne is likely to continue to experience some form of gathering restrictions for the remainder of the calendar year and beyond, it is important that party members have clarity on ­important democratic processes of the party,” he wrote on October 12.

    Dozens of other branch office bearers have also written to the party, demanding urgent action.

    Mr Clark was elected to the party leadership on the back of a pledge to ensure membership votes would be conducted and that plebiscite preselections would be held. It is understood there remains an “outside chance” the party’s ruling administrative committee will have to conduct the preselections, a move which would spark outrage. Sources said the pandemic had caused considerable ­issues for holding a state council AGM because of the requirement of social distancing and the legal limitations imposed for gatherings by the state government.

    Critics of the Victorian party leadership argue that the NSW branch has managed to hold elections online, including an ­electronic preselection for Eden-Monaro, and the party has planned a state council via the Zoom platform for next month. “We are doing our best to make this work,” said a figure familiar with the party’s planning. “These are not normal times.”

    Party sources said that part of the angst was generated by a perception that Mr Clark and state leader Michael O’Brien were “milking” the pandemic to retain control of the administrative ­committee. While the factional ­relationships are complicated, there is an increasing perception that supporters of the dominant federal MPs, such as Mr Frydenberg and Mr Hunt, are aligning against the so-called bloc of state MPs in the party. Mr Clark is a long-serving former state MP.

    Sources connected with the Clark camp said there were issues with how to enable votes to take place, even though the Andrews government was moving towards easing restrictions. But those pushing for party votes insist that the party needs to modernise. One option considered by the party ­hierarchy is drive-by voting, while others believe members could meet in smaller groups to vote in an AGM. A source said: “The level of grassroots membership concern over these issues is unprecedented. There has never been a similar instance of over 50 electorate conference chairs writing to the state president and admin committee to express their concern.”

  133. Hahahahaha, Trump is not getting 46% of the African-American vote. You idiot, JC.

  134. Nick

    ABC news boss Gaven Morris told staff they were too focused on the interests of “inner city left-wing elites” and linked his concerns about editorial coverage to the national broadcaster’s ongoing funding from taxpayers.

    The comments at the SMH are illustrative. They don’t get that as much as they fail against SKY, my taxes ain’t paying for it.

  135. Nick

    Monty, how is he going with the lazy-obese demographic?

  136. JC

    I didn’t believe it either, monster….Until you said it’s not true.

  137. Monty, how is he going with the lazy-obese demographic?

    Great! His fat lazy voters are staying home while young people vote early in their millions.

  138. Nick

    Apologies, Mike.

    It’s that one day in October,
    We want to be over,
    There won’t be any shouting
    Fines for all that flouting

    Football was a part of this old town
    (Football was a part of this old town)
    And we know who let it drown.

  139. Gab

    Thank you, Old Ozzie and KD 🙂 You are both looking rather handsome today.

  140. Nick

    Great! His fat lazy voters are staying home while young people vote early in their millions.

    Ok, we are talking about America here and besides, what svelt young people would you know ?

  141. Ed Case

    Have previously said that US exit of the Paris Climate Treaty takes effect on Inauguration Day 2021.
    From the BBC:
    America’s exit from the Paris climate deal formally takes effect on 4 November, the day after the presidential election. Joe Biden has pledged to rejoin the pact if he wins
    Not sure that can be correct. What if there’s no clear winner on Nov. 4, but Biden ends up winning. Are they still out on Nov. 4?

  142. johanna

    I now want to see what happens when Rupert Murdoch runs for and gets elected as PM, or worse, President.

    It is very clear that most ardent fans of the ABC/SMH, etc. use his name as a buzzword for the personification of all evil, the only hateword more frequent in their screechy rants than Trump and IPA

    Yep, it’s amazing that lefties blame a senescent bloke in his 90s as though he is an evil puppetmaster running a worldwide conspiracy. It’s purely symbolic and devoid of fact, like most leftist propaganda.

    Interestingly, James Murdoch (the Dumber of sons Dumb and Dumber) has flounced because he thinks the Fox network is too right wing, and is now brooding with his unearned millions and trophy SJW wife. As I never tire of retelling, James was the genius who, when in charge of The Sun in the UK, signed off on a 750,000 quid defamation payout without even reading the paperwork. Money, schmoney. Who cares?

  143. rickw

    Jail time required for Vikpol members:

  144. notafan

    Young people all moved to California and New York.

  145. Boambee John

    Most of what is posted here is lies, when it isn’t a whinge.
    Then there’s all the conspiracy theory garbage.

    The bin chicken really does not have much (correction, any) self awareness!

  146. notafan

    You tell us ed, you’re the lawyer.

  147. Nick

    For those who don’t think the media run interference

    Nearby, unfortunate Richmond defender Nick Vlastuin lay motionless on the ground too, knocked out after courageously tracking the ball into the path of a ferocious Patrick Dangerfield, who accidentally struck him with his forearm as he punched the ball towards Ablett.

  148. min

    Rockdoctor, some of my friends are in the Liberal party and have been complaining about the virtual zilch response from MPs after Covid arrived . However as an observer last year at a function I was invited to with Liberals , I said to a senior member that if I asked people on the street who was the state leader no one would be able to tell me . He agreed and said it was their inability to get media coverage even though they put out media notices daily.
    It was only after Tim Smith started his campaign against Andrews and co in his more aggressive manner that they got more press but only on Sky News , however Tim Is not seen as their saviour . They want some one like Kennett who at the moment is mot in the a Party and not another lawyer , preferably someone who has been a dsuccessful business person.

  149. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Meanwhile, Not so Golden State to Cut off Power to One Million People to Avoid More Wildfires

    good practice for when oil and coal end

  150. Mother Lode

    BREAKING: China’s GTV Releases Videos of Hunter Biden Sex Tapes while Smoking Crack

    Why would China want to damage (further) Biden’s prospects?

    Are you sure it is China’s GTV? And not Chinese language GTV – which is American?

  151. rickw

    Hahahahaha, Trump is not getting 46% of the African-American vote. You idiot, JC.

    46% of the African-American vote just got guaranteed for Trump. Munty Wrongoloy.

  152. Albatross

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3631979, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:13 am
    […] length warning

    Snigger…

  153. OldOzzie

    Gab
    #3632018, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:42 am
    Thank you, Old Ozzie and KD 🙂 You are both looking rather handsome today.

    Flattery will get you everywhere, but I definitely don’t rate in Handsome stales, though my nicce, not knowing it was me, said of an Old Army Camp photo with me topless and towel slung over shoulder

    “Who’s the Hunk” – long past now

  154. Des Deskperson

    ‘Trump is Willy Loman in Death of a Salesman.’

    Let us hope not. Willy Loman’s mistaken beliefs in salesmanship, America and his own bulls**t ruined his life, f**ked up his family and eventually caused him to top himself.

  155. Rex Anger

    What if there’s no clear winner on Nov. 4, but Biden ends up winning. Are they still out on Nov. 4?

    Have faith in the obdurateness of bureaucracy, Edgy.

    If a legal process is initiated, it will be carried out. Process to the bureaucratic bugman is kig, even where/when it may conflict with their ideology.

    That is why when confronted with anathema legislation and plans, a smart leftist leaves/engineers legal loopholes big enough to put a mine dump truck through, so the bureaucracy can have heir ideological cake and eat it too, without suffering critical managerial existence failure by breaking process.

    The biggest crime you can commit is to breach or misapply process
    Even if/when it rids you of a class enemy or someone/thing you just don’t like…

  156. Gab

    Flattery will get you everywhere,

    One gets more bees with honey than with vinegar, one does.

  157. Bruce of Newcastle

    Haha, m0nty. Most Trump voters intend to vote in person on election day to avoid the left from finding ways to discard their votes. It remains to be seen whether the Dems play games like preventing voting booths from opening or wheeling out the Black Panthers again.

  158. Bruce of Newcastle

    Are you sure it is China’s GTV?

    Taiwan.

  159. Dr Faustus

    BREAKING: China’s GTV Releases Videos of Hunter Biden Sex Tapes while Smoking Crack

    Why would China want to damage (further) Biden’s prospects?

    GTV is a Taiwanese news channel.
    Probably very keen to spread some Biden-love.

  160. areff

    Biden gets a foot job:

    https://gtv.org/web/?videoid=5f94837c7de25667c0fe0c5e#/VideoPlay_UI

    Hot druggie-on-hooker action starts about 90 seconds in

  161. Des Deskperson

    ‘Yep, it’s amazing that lefties blame a senescent bloke in his 90s as though he is an evil puppetmaster running a worldwide conspiracy. It’s purely symbolic and devoid of fact, like most leftist propaganda.’

    In Australia, his ’empire’ is almost entirely print based and its circulation and spread is declining. It recently divested itself of a raft of local newspapers.

    Up against it is the Nine-Fairfax empire and five free to air TV networks. All of them are relentlessly ‘progressive’.

  162. Roger

    GTV is a Taiwanese news channel.
    Probably very keen to spread some Biden-love.

    And a sweet FU to the CCP.

    Two birds…

  163. Boambee John

    Rex A

    It is also very clear that large portions of well-off and educated people in this country are vehemently socialist, right up to the point whete the means of production are seized, and all personal property surrendered.

    Only the rich, or those on taxpayer funded incomes (many of whom come from the “educated” class), can afford to be “socialist”.

  164. stackja

    Watch LIVE: President Trump Holds Make America Great Again Rally in Waukesha, WI 10-24-20

  165. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Knuckle Dragger #3631981, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:14 am

    Snap, OldOzzie. Should have known better!

    Okay, so it happens to others too.
    Fine. Fine.

  166. Mother Lode

    Taiwan.

    Makes more sense.

  167. cohenite

    The 2 trolls out and about; what a pair of pricks. Still, one is decrepit with old age and the other with comorbidities; and there are bound to be many more waves of the or another chunk virus.

  168. JC

    All bullshit.

    Cancel culture isn’t real and GOP supporters aren’t really hiding their beliefs nor voting intentions.

    The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, for example, takes on a number of cases every year because educational institutions insist on punishing teachers, colleagues, and students who step outside of the boundaries of the university’s measure of “good standing.” And it’s not only on campus where Americans are feeling surveilled and censored by administrators and peers. In July, the CATO Institute released a survey in which 62% of Americans agreed that the current political climate prevents them from saying what they believe because others might find it offensive.

    This cultural shift is so concerning that a group of intellectuals, including author JK Rowling, signed a letter published by Harper’s Magazine in July, warning:

    “The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted. While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty.”

  169. Just another example of how silly things are getting. Surely the fact the overwhelming majority of British soldiers were white during WW1 explains why the body might belong to a white soldier. The relevant Minister and an Army of ex-servicemen should be pointing out the obvious whilst trying to contain their laughter at the stupidity of the “research”. Unfortunately National Army Museum put out the research !

    From Daily Mail.

    “The remains of a British soldier in Westminster Abbey’s grave of the Unknown Warrior are likely to be those of a white man because of ‘racial bias’, research has suggested.

    The mystery troop’s body was brought from France and buried in the church on November 11, 1920.

    The idea is believed to have come from Reverend David Railton, who had been a chaplain on the Western Front.

    Some 1.2million people visited the Abbey during the week after the burial, and the site is one of the world’s most visited war graves.

    Now the National Army Museum has suggested ‘unconscious bias’ may have influenced selection of the body, believed to be that of a white Brit of low rank”.

  170. Roger

    “The remains of a British soldier in Westminster Abbey’s grave of the Unknown Warrior are likely to be those of a white man …”

    Likely also to be the remains of a soldier…which was the point.

    File under ‘The Left politicises everything.’

  171. Twostix

    Credlin’s column is like watching an Australian politician trying to figure out why america is so successful.

    Always cringe, always limited by party politics and political class sensiblity.

    On this front she obviously fully agrees with Andrews about CovId Doooooom! Just not the way he’s gone about “stopping it”. I.e it’s politics.

    She wants a UK style orderly overreaction, rather than a QLD style non-response.

    Someone tell her that Qld is back to normal, that there never was any of her much loved creepy masks here, and contact tracing? Lol.

    QLD’s “success” in “beating” a virulent strain of the common cold lies in three things:

    1. Qlders generally aren’t obedient authority fetishists and didn’t rush out on command to get wave after wave of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary PCR tests done on themselves. The government wouldn’t have it anyway – limiting tests during the “height” of covid. Few tests means few cases.

    2. Qld doesn’t have vast, malignant third world ghettos.

    3. Qld didn’t allow old people to be killed in aged care homes en-masse.

    Watch as Credlin won’t touch any of these things as each collides head first with her very mundane liberal flavour of polite whatever-labor-is-says-minus-one victorianism.

  172. Mater

    “The remains of a British soldier in Westminster Abbey’s grave of the Unknown Warrior are likely to be those of a white man …”

    Well, at least they do statistics better than Bob.

    I reckon there is a much better likelihood than 91.3%.

  173. Nick

    “The remains of a British soldier in Westminster Abbey’s grave of the Unknown Warrior are likely to be those of a white man …”

    Worth inscribing in large letters on his tomb. The irony will of course be lost.

  174. Dr Faustus

    And a sweet FU to the CCP.

    This is not going swimmingly for the CCP.

    The whole ‘control POTUS Biden’ thing must depend on a Biden Administration shitting itself that Hunter‘s indiscretions might be made public and bring down the Biden Presidency. Instead, the whole Biden catastrophe is out and about, resolutely ignored/covered up by MSM and platforms, and (assuming Hidin’ Biden gets up) politically atrophied.

    A lot of grooming by Xi’s eunuchs gone to waste.

  175. dover_beach

    State That Just Voted To Reduce Penalties For Pedophiles Not Sure Why God Keeps Lighting Them On Fire

    Yup.

  176. Ed Case

    What about Indian Colonial Troops in the British Army, woulda bin plenty there?
    While this is another example of the paid troublemakers creating unrest, the History of Black Troops fighting in White Countries ought not go unremarked.
    Franco’s Army he faced the Republicans with was mostly African Troops, De Gaulle also arrived in France with a Senegalese Army, no shortage of Atrocities either.
    The British used Black Americans in the Revolutionary War, they evacuated them to Nova Scotia when they lost to escape reprisals.
    That didn’t work out, so they created Sierra Leone and moved them there.

  177. dover_beach

    The Bee:

    State That Just Voted To Reduce Penalties For [email protected] Not Sure Why God Keeps Lighting Them On Fire

    Yup.

  178. Boambee John

    His fat lazy voters are staying home while young people vote early and often in their millions.

    Made that more accurate for you m0nty.

    The Demorat vote fraud this year will be on an unprecedented scale.

  179. From Daily Mail. Let us not upset the minorities by looking into what the did to white children. An inquiry to look into organised networks totally avoided the most well known ones !
    “Big trials over the past ten years have exposed a previously hidden crime model involving the targeting and sexual abuse of teenage girls by groups of men, largely of south Asian origin.

    Groups in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Leicester, High Wycombe, Dewsbury, Peterborough, Halifax, Newcastle upon Tyne, Telford and Burnley have been prosecuted since 2011 for sex-grooming.

    From late September, the IICSA held two weeks of public hearings for its ‘organised networks’ investigation, with the final day for closing submissions set to take place on October 29.

    However, it decided not to hear evidence from survivors or those with knowledge of the crime pattern, and instead chose to select six areas of England and Wales – St Helens, Tower Hamlets in east London, Swansea, Durham, Bristol and Warwickshire.

  180. notafan

    Unconscious bias, yes indeed they should have hunted through the thousands of barely recognizable remains until they found a POC.

    One of my blown up great uncles got buried in a cemetery annex near Pozieries only to get his remains disappeared in a later battle.

    Idiotic buffoons spitting on UK families who lost young men by the bucketload.

  181. stackja

    1914 UK non-White people numbered? Census records?

  182. notafan

    So sorry Credlin isn’t seeing the bigger picture.

  183. Some History

    Colonel Hunchback Messup to address the inmates at 10:30

  184. notafan

    It doesn’t go unremarked.

  185. Twostix

    That’s not to say qld doesn’t have a covid political battle in its near future though.

    As we know covid – and creating a “new normal” of permanent science beaureacrat supremacy over democracy is now fully entrenched as a political and ideological plank of leftwing (and so naturally dim bulb centrist) thought. So “cases” and the policies that move them up and down (access to tests, aged care regulations, border restrictions, etc) will continue to be tweaked up and down like a yoyo depending on who wins the election and what is politically useful at the moment.

  186. dover_beach

    Donald J. Trump

    Debate Poll Average: 89% Trump. 11% Sleepy Joe Biden!

    And yet MSM pretend it went to Biden.
    This is exactly like critical v popular reactions to movies.

  187. Roger

    1. Qlders generally aren’t obedient authority fetishists and didn’t rush out on command to get wave after wave of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary PCR tests done on themselves. The government wouldn’t have it anyway – limiting tests during the “height” of covid. Few tests means few cases.

    2. Qld doesn’t have vast, malignant third world ghettos.

    3. Qld didn’t allow old people to be killed in aged care homes en-masse.

    4. The QLD government requested ADF personnel to provide security for their hotel quarantine regime for travellers returning from os.

    On number one, twostix, you do say “generally”, but my observation is that in the SE the Qld spirit has been diluted by decades of southern immigration. North of Hervey Bay and west of the Great Divide not so much, but it hasn’t really been tested yet.

  188. Ed Case

    ***Someone tell her that Qld is back to normal, that there never was any of her much loved creepy masks here, and contact tracing? Lol.***
    Only because Labor is facing an Election in Qld next Sadday.
    Qlders are obedient as Victorians if not more so, and more credulous.
    If Palaszczuk wins, expect the Jackboot to follow.

  189. There actually was an Indian / British army deployed from India to now Iraq in WW1 which had its own command out of India.

    However a comparison would be setting up a single statue to commemorate the typical Union soldier and choosing to portray him as black.

    The %age of white to non black soldiers in the British WW1 must have been the significant majority.

    “What about Indian Colonial Troops in the British Army, woulda bin plenty there?”

  190. stackja

    Does MSM Wuhan virus pandemic really exist?

  191. dover_beach

    Twitter at it again:

    Jack Posobiec
    Everyone tweeting that Hunter Biden video is getting locked out and tweets are being disappeared

    Twitter also promoted a doctored video of Rudy Giuliani this week claiming it was sexual

  192. Gab

    Colonel Hunchback Messup to address the inmates at 10:30

    Backlash for people daring to protest to be delivered today..

    How convenient for him that the numbers for yesterday and today are both higher than during the week.

  193. Boambee John

    “The remains of a British soldier in Westminster Abbey’s grave of the Unknown Warrior are likely to be those of a white man because of ‘racial bias’, research has suggested.

    My understanding is that several bodies were exhumed from “unknown” graves from the Western Front, placed in coffins in a small building, and a blindfolded soldier was led into the room, and placed his hand on one of the coffins, thus making the selection.

    An Indian corps served on the Western Front in 10914-15, but was sent to the Middle East because the climate was considered to be too cold for Indian troops. Their casualties would have been a very small proportion of the total. Non-whites served in labour and construction tasks, usually behind the lines, so the chances of one of them being in an unidentified battlefield grave seem low.

    PC claptrap.

  194. Roger

    The %age of white to non black soldiers in the British WW1 must have been the significant majority.

    There were certainly volunteers from the small black community in the UK at the time but probably more significant in terms of numbers were volunteers for the British Army from the West Indies.

  195. stackja

    AIF reported UK White boys sent to the front lines.

  196. stackja

    @Jack supports Joe.
    I am shocked!

  197. Bushkid

    gafa
    #3631865, posted on October 25, 2020 at 12:38 am
    Even though it’s reported the Vic borders may open up before xmas it does not follow that the “ring of steel” will automatically be lifted…melbournians could still remain trapped and at the dementors mercy!

    The perfect description of Andrews – a Dementor!

    He sucks the happiness and soul out of everyone, steals all happy memories, leaves the victims full of hopelessness and dread. He has no mercy or pity.

    Spot on!

  198. Boambee John

    1914-15, a long time to go to 10914!

  199. johanna

    The CEO of AEMO is an American warmenista, hence credibility being given to this misleading story:

    South Australia’s renewable energy boom has achieved a global milestone.
    Key points:

    All of SA’s power came from solar for one hour on October 11
    The generation of too much solar power can create grid instability
    A new interconnector planned with NSW will help manage the growth of solar power

    The state once known for not having enough power has become the first major jurisdiction in the world to be powered entirely by solar energy.

    For just over an hour on Sunday, October 11, 100 per cent of energy demand was provided by solar panels alone.

    “This is truly a phenomenon in the global energy landscape,” Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) chief executive Audrey Zibelman said.

    “Never before has a jurisdiction the size of South Australia been completely run by solar power, with consumers’ rooftop solar systems contributing 77 per cent.”

    Large-scale solar farms, like the ones operating at Tailem Bend and Port Augusta, provided the other 23 per cent.

    Any excess power generated by gas and wind farms on that day was stored in batteries or exported to Victoria via the interconnector.

    It is criminal of TheirABC and that AEMO bint to claim that this is the way forward. On the contrary, destabilising the grid, making baseload power sources uneconomic, running endless propaganda which flat out lies about the numbers is their way forward, but everyone else’s way backward.

    Does anyone know who was responsible for hiring Audrey Zibelman?

  200. Some History

    The Hunchback announces that he will not announce any easing of restrictions today.

    This moron just keeps stalling… and stalling… and stalling.

  201. thefrollickingmole

    areff
    #3632048, posted on October 25, 2020 at 9:56 am
    Biden gets a foot job:

    Im far far more interested in the speil at the end claiming they have hundreds of pics of “powerful people” who have been compromised by Chia sex/money/perversions.

    It looks like China used my ‘how to control a country” template, 1st get the kids of the powerful on tape…

  202. Some History

    The continued stalling is referred to by the Hunchback as a “cautious pause”.

  203. thefrollickingmole

    Ignoring all the “go girl” crap and this was a pretty cool old lady.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/24/viola-smith-swing-big-band-drummer-dies-aged-107

    Viola Smith, pioneering swing and big band drummer, dies aged 107

    https://youtube/o5c_XZaArH4

  204. cohenite

    Does anyone know who was responsible for hiring Audrey Zibelman?

    Turdball. The kunt is leaving the aemo and going to google; let’s hope Trump wins and breaks up twitter, space-chook and google.

  205. Makka

    Great! His fat lazy voters are staying home while young people vote early in their millions.

    The early vote is looking terrible for Dems. The great wave of Demorat votes isn’t materializing. That yuuuge lead for Biden in the polls is proving to be a dream. Dems will be blown out of the water by GOP voters when they show up on election day;

    The Republican Party is keeping pace in mail-in and early voting in three key swing states despite polls showing early voting should clearly favor Joe Biden.

    Data out of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio indicates that registered Republicans are returning ballots at about the same rate as registered Democrats in the battleground states.

    In Michigan as of Wednesday, just over 1 million ballots have been returned, 40% from registered Democrats, with the same from registered Republicans. In Wisconsin, 40% of the 711,855 returned ballots have been from Democrats, while 38% have come from Republicans. The GOP actually leads in Ohio, with 45% of 475,259 early ballot returns coming from Republicans, compared to 43% from registered Democrats. The preliminary data matches up with the requests by party affiliation for mail-in ballots.

    The data contradicts national polls showing Biden supporters overwhelmingly plan to vote by mail or early in person.

  206. johanna

    Why on earth is the colour or race of the man in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier an issue?

    I always thought that the point is that he could have been anyone. Most probably, he was white, but if he wasn’t, so what? It in no way detracts from the message.

    Identity politics poisons everything it touches.

  207. Twostix

    It is surely sobering to victorians to imagine that if the qld testing regime of April, May was applied to Victoria you would have no “pandemic”.

    During that time in QLD, in this region at least to get a test you had to go through a short phone interview first.

    Qld magically had very few cases and QLD labor now boasts loudly and proudly of its record of “saving QLD lives” before next weeks election.

    Total “cases” are largely a function of PCR test production and test availability. Restrict either as QLD did and your pandemic, suddenly, isn’t.

  208. Dot

    KD

    Barone Sanitation
    Spatafore Construction
    Ramsey Outdoors
    Bonespierro Bodyworks
    The Crazy Horse
    Bada Bing
    La Manna Bakery
    Beansie’s Pizzarea
    Vitro Landscaping
    Vesuvius Ristorante

    and

    Phil’s Shinebox

  209. Remember when those states changed their EC rules to not follow their state vote, but the national popular vote?
    CA I’m looking at you!
    Haha, Trump doesn’t even need to flip these states to get their EC votes!
    🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌

  210. johanna

    cohenite
    #3632106, posted on October 25, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Does anyone know who was responsible for hiring Audrey Zibelman?

    Turdball. The kunt is leaving the aemo and going to google; let’s hope Trump wins and breaks up twitter, space-chook and google.

    Thanks. That figures.

    So, a very important appointment coming up for Morrison.

  211. Ed Case

    ***There actually was an Indian / British army deployed from India to now Iraq in WW1 which had its own command out of India.***
    Indian Troops at Gallipoli in large numbers, France had Senegalese Troops at Gallipoli.

  212. Dot

    Is that actually a thing, Gunner?

  213. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My understanding is that several bodies were exhumed from “unknown” graves from the Western Front, placed in coffins in a small building, and a blindfolded soldier was led into the room, and placed his hand on one of the coffins, thus making the selection.

    That’s my understanding as well.

  214. Roger

    Does anyone know who was responsible for hiring Audrey Zibelman?

    Academic now as she’s headed to Google X.

    The greater problem remains:

    In an outgoing interview, she remarked that most of AEMO’ staff would place combatting climate change ahead of providing reliable and affordable electricity to Australians via the eastern grid.

    The latter, of course, is purportedly AEMO’s raison d’etre.

  215. I’m googling now Dot, but I think it’s true!

  216. Dot

    Breaking up big tech is a short term solution.

    You need to deregulate payment processors.

    Legitimise digital currencies and payment processors may lose their relevance.

  217. thefrollickingmole

    No one gives a shit about the race of the unknown soldier.
    The person is a symbol.

    That some turds want to take that symbol of loss and make it “woke” tells you they are moral pygmies and intellectual vermin.

    In theory the unknown soldier could be one of my Great uncles, 2 dead there one with no known grave.
    Is deliberately meant to be commemorating every “unknown” soldier not “your” bit.

  218. JC

    Wife of plantation owner bossman, speaks out.

    Chelsea Handler says she scolded 50 Cent over Trump support: ‘I had to remind him that he was a black person’

  219. johanna

    If true, that’s scary, Roger.

    No doubt as the boss over the last few years she had a big say in hiring senior executives.

    Yet another swamp in need of draining.

  220. Dot

    Christ

    That Chelsea Handler has some chutzpah.

    Dies she even know Mr Cent’s backstory/personal history?

  221. Farmer Gez

    Some History
    #3632101, posted on October 25, 2020 at 10:38 am
    The Hunchback announces that he will not announce any easing of restrictions today.

    This moron just keeps stalling… and stalling… and stalling.

    Isn’t it abundantly clear to everyone that this pack of progressive parasites cannot manage contact tracing.
    They allowed a dopey migrant family to send their positive kid to school after his two brothers were just out of quarantine.
    Didn’t think to retest the whole lot?

    They never fail to fail.

  222. Dot

    F/A18?

    Not being a jerk, I thought I could make it out.

    Armed forces cooperation?

    Nah, that’s for Canadians.

  223. Eyrie

    So, a very important appointment coming up for Morrison.

    Count on the deadshit to screw that up. It will be another warmenista.

    We’re suckers for importing O/S “experts” like Zibelman and the Mexican bandit and mates who ran Telstra for a while.

  224. thefrollickingmole

    Im almost in awe of how blatant the left is on the postal vote stacking.
    Logically there is no reason for the postal votes to split much differently than the popular vote.

    Yet its accepted as gospel that they are “owned’ by the dems.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2020/oct/24/us-elections-how-postal-votes-could-swing-it-for-joe-biden-cartoon

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