The American left never for one moment accepted their loss in 2016. (snip) So, when on Tuesday night it was clear that all the battleground states were going Trump’s way, they acted. The network shut down the state victory calls for Trump the moment all the betting odds were favoring a Trump win. The Chinese yuan began to tank. Fox fatuously called Arizona for Biden long before they should have and refused to call for Trump the states that he had clearly won: North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. All those states were won by Trump on election night.
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Regardless of the outcome, Pennsylvania Democrat Governor Tom Wolf, the Pennsylvania state courts and the Democrat State Party have pulled every dirty trick in the books. (snip) During the day in Montgomery County, Republican poll workers, and committee people received an alert. The Democrats had sent an army of spies into Montgomery County, wearing badges reading iterations of ‘Voter Protection.’ They were posing as poll watchers. (snip) My poll was visited by one such spy. He sat outside the poll all day long with a laptop. It was obvious what he was doing
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A poll watcher filmed highly suspicious activity at a vote-counting center in Detroit at 4 a.m., the morning after election day.In the footage, taken by Kellye SoRelle, a Texas lawyer and member of Lawyers for Trump, a person in a white van was filmed loading up a red wagon outside the ballot counting location and bringing it instead. SoRelle released the video to Texas Scorecard, because she wanted to raise “alarms that the box may have been a ballot box that arrived long after all ballots were expected to have been received at the counting facility.”
Reminds me of Epstein….. everyone knows the official story of “suicide” is bullshit…. they know we know the official story is bullshit. But no one can do anything about it, we all just look on in horror.
The concepts of the rule of law and assumption of innocence are foundational to freedom. Under that structure, they require a high burden of proof to the crime before the event is officially a crime. Normally, hat is a protection for the individual.
But is this a backdoor exploit in the system? Epstein case – very difficult to find sufficient ‘hard evidence’ but everyone knows it is bullshit via a preponderance of a combination of ludicrously improbable circumstantial events multiplied by motive…. Election 2020…..
Do we need to adjust the null hypothesis, the standard of evidence of guilt vs innocence? Where it involves an individual liberty, the bias should be that the assumption of innocence. But where it involves major scale group decision making, is an inbuilt difficultly to establish guilt actually a backdoor loophole inviting attack???
We know they cheated and they know we know so what’s next?
Start with Lawsuits and if that doesn’t work, finish it with Rifles.
@ Marcus-
Do we need to adjust the null hypothesis, the standard of evidence of guilt vs innocence? Where it involves an individual liberty, the bias should be that the assumption of innocence. But where it involves major scale group decision making, is an inbuilt difficultly to establish guilt actually a backdoor loophole inviting attack???
No. The Left thrives on establishing rules and mercilessly exploiting them to obtain and expand their power, preferably in a way that reners them unaccountable for their actions.
Any sort of lowering of burden of proof for a group would be taken advantage of. Solely to punish any association of people or Organisation a leftwit has they do not like that particular day.
Can you imagine the Cat being accused of ‘incitement’ or ‘conspiracy,’ every individual who posted even once in a fit of pique doxxed, arrested, charged and brought to trial? And then forced to prove their innocence?
It would be like the Brereton Inquiry on steroids. And all a leftwit would have to do is make a single accusation…
The solution to your problem is not to abandon the principle of ‘Better to let one hundred guilty men walk free, than condemn a single innocent man.’ It is to instead actually apply and enforce the laws that exist, with a grim heart and stoic commitment to an act that the leftwits will not like.
People are afraid of the leftwits only.because they have become used.to their incessant use of heckler’s veto.
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Start with Lawsuits and if that doesn’t work, finish it with Rifles.
Bayonets fixed?
People feel brave when shooting or throwing things from a distance, in the general direction of the other side. Particularly when they stay still, keep formation and just take it.
Riots seem to tend to towards breaking up rather swiftly when the line fixes bayonets (or brandishes truncheons) and charges…
@Rex – good points, cannot disagree…at least not this deep into a bottle of red wine misery…
It does feel they are exploiting a loophole here, the loophole of the burden of proof…. lets put it this way…
1. will Trump fight = yes
2. Did the left cheat = yes
3. Did the left cheat swing the election = probable
4. is there sufficient ‘hard evidence’ of that cheat = no.
The next questions get a bit more speculative….
5. Did Mitch McConnel maintain control of the Senate = yes
6. Old Guard Republican establish face a choice……
choice (a) fight with Trump, resulting in delegimatimise the entire system (which gives them some crumbs of power) in the face of Close to 50% of voters on the left, light the fuse and burn the whole fcker down….
choice (b) accept the crumbs of minor power within the existing system, say “trust the process” blah blah, and throw Trump under the bus… then go back to pre-Trump BAU….
I think they will go with (b)….. and as a result, they will never ever win a presidential election again….
Surely there’s a publicly recorded number of ballots requested, (or discoverable documents showing so), an archive of ballot applications etc.
And a cross tally of double voting.
And a rate of return of mail in ballots in other states/counties.
Presumably the Trump team has such evidence to back their claims, so the court will be able to analyse it.
Beyond that, I presumably have no more idea than the talking heads did when they were on TV breathlessly asserting no fraud.
The steal is on in Georgia, right now.
You are thinking of abstentee ballots, where one must apply for their ballot.
We are talking about states that did mass mail outs of ballots, like a bombardment of junk mail except they were gold-plated invitations to voter fraud.
What you guys don’t understand is that democratic cities allowed democratic centres to be returning offices. They also let democratic post ballots to everyone and any one.
Trump made the mistake of telling purple not to postal vote. This just resulted in him losing votes, covid allowed postal votes the way that is never happened before, which is why there is a bigger turn out.
Sorry but Trump made a tactical error that will cost him the election.
Don’t worry. The curious media will be on to this.
That’s the fourth estates job and they will relish unearthing the truth.
Why are the extraordinary numbers only coming out of Dem controlled cities in swing states? Why no down ballot votes reflecting same? Why aren’t the return rates reflecting this in other Dem centres?
Why 4am to update large data errors or ballot results?
So many statically improbable results.
I think there are three possibilities:
Possibility 1 – Joe Biden is proclaimed the winner, Trump goes to court, Trump wins in Court, the left refuse to accept the result – dictatorship or civil war
Possibility 2 – Trump wins the last few states and wins the election – the left refuse to accept the result – civil war (there will not be a Trump dictatorship)
Possibility 3 – There is no winner as court cases etc carry on – the left decides to March on Washington to remove Trump – dictatorship or civil war
America is finished. Yesterday I thought it was a long slow decline, today I only see civil war or dictatorship. The Left won’t accept a result from SCOTUS with Coney Barrett or Kavanaugh on the bench.. The left has destroyed every institution in America, including the military.
Now the left will get the revolution they have been wanting for decades. There is no cultural centre, there are no institutions left that are by and large universally accepted and respected. The left has won, it has destroyed America.
I really, really hope I am wrong, but I can’t see the Democrats putting the political violence genie back in the bottle even if they wanted to. They started a colour revolution and now they will reap what they have sowed.
We can all assign blame, but if there is one place to blame it is the US legal system in the DOJ and FBI. They destroyed the rule of law, they broke the social contract. And now society will most likely suddenly erupt.
Given Jannie citing Leonard Cohen (nice one Janie) – I think this is a more appropriate and prescient song – the Future
Give me back my broken night
My mirrored room, my secret life
It’s lonely here
There’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
Over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby
That’s an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
And stuff it up the hole
In your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St. Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother
It is murder
Things are going to slide (slide) in all directions
Won’t be nothing (won’t be)
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it’s overturned
The order of the soul
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
When they said (they said) repent (repent), repent (repent)
I wonder what they meant
You don’t know me from the wind
You never will, you never did
I’m the little Jew
Who wrote the Bible
I’ve seen the nations rise and fall
I’ve heard their stories, heard them all
But love’s the only engine
Of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
To say it clear, to say it cold
It’s over, it ain’t going any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
You feel the devil’s riding crop
Get ready for the future: It is murder
Things are going to slide (slide) in all directions
Won’t be nothing (won’t be)
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
Has crossed the threshold
And it’s overturned the order of the soul
There’ll be the breaking of the ancient Western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There’ll be phantoms, there’ll be fires on the road
And the white man dancing
You’ll see your woman hanging upside down
Her features covered by her fallen gown
And all the lousy little poets coming round
Trying to sound like Charlie Manson
Yeah the white man dancing
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St. Paul
Give me Christ
Or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don’t like children anyhow
I’ve seen the future, baby: It is murder
Actually, what he said is that if they vote mail in to also go to the walk in poles on elections day to ensure their vote was recorded. If not, vote then.
I hope I am wrong but when no one defends a nation’s institutions and when the social contract is broken the country implodes. There is no longer a check on aberrant behaviour. The state monopoly of the use of force is terminated, as has already been the case in Portland and other US cities. Political violence works and is very effective, that is why it is banned in a civilised society.
Barr and Durham could have averted this state of affairs, but it is too late now. Like so many of histories great cowards, their opportunity to act passed unnoticed until it was gone. Wray could also have acted, but he too is a coward.
One other thing, they will not let Trump go. As they have repeatedly said Trump must be destroyed so his kind never rises again. They will kill Trump and his family Ekaterinburg style once they force him out of office.
The Dems in Pennsylvania are now ignoring a Court Order to allow Rep observers in the observe the ballot counting.
in to observe rather
It’s a bit late for the niceties of how people were told to vote. The left has invalidated voting. And because there was a small but reasonable chance that the House would return back to then GOP, the California Democrats have started ballot harvesting to make sure they don’t “lose” the house. Democracy is effectively over in the USA. The only hope to restore it is a Trump win, but I think that is unlikely because the Left won’t accept a Trump win and will employ violence to support their case. The only hope is that many Democrats who were involved in the voter fraud see the danger and come clean, but it is probably too late for that as well. Things are going to slide, slide in all directions….
Nowhere to put cartoons until management activates a new open thread. Sorry, Cats.
This seems like as good a place as any Tom.
Dems cheating. I am shocked.
Trump said what? MSM reported what?
If Biden wins then what?
Biden last the distance?
Comma LA so what?
Dems needed Senate.
Many questions. Only time will tell.
Fascists don’t listen to courts. The judicial branch is probably about to find out what happens to them when the revolution arrives. Who is going to enforce the order? The PA, Democrat controlled police? The Democrat controlled PA National Guard? The FBI? It’s over, it ain’t going any further.
More Leonard Cohen from Democracy
It’s coming through a hole in the air
From those nights in Tiananmen Square
It’s coming from the feel
That this ain’t exactly real
Or it’s real, but it ain’t exactly there
From the wars against disorder
From the sirens night and day
From the fires of the homeless
From the ashes of the gay
Democracy is coming to the USA
It’s coming through a crack in the wall
On a visionary flood of alcohol
From the staggering account
Of the Sermon on the Mount
Which I don’t pretend to understand at all
It’s coming from the silence
On the dock of the bay,
From the brave, the bold, the battered
Heart of Chevrolet
Democracy is coming to the USA
Sail on, sail on
O mighty Ship of State
To the Shores of Need
Past the Reefs of Greed
Through the Squalls of Hate
Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on
It’s coming to America first
The cradle of the best and of the worst
It’s here they got the range
And the machinery for change
And it’s here they got the spiritual thirst
It’s here the family’s broken
And it’s here the lonely say
That the heart has got to open
In a fundamental way
Democracy is coming to the USA
John C – Dems cheating might create a problem they don’t expect.
Time will tell.
Tom,
The iron law of unintended consequences is about to smash the Democratic leadership in the teeth. They won’t be the first “moderate” lefties who find that the violent thugs they unleashed on the streets don’t like moderation. The Dems won’t be able to control their thugs once they get going.
There is a narrow and rapidly closing window to stop where this is going, but the Democrats are committed to a street fight, the GOP is finding out how hopeless courts are at protecting rights when the courts are ignored and violence and intimidation is employed instead.
Now that the Dems have started ignoring court orders why will they accept the orders of some other court? They have crossed the rubicon, too many have broken the law for them to take any other course than to over throw the state.
Sorry, I should have addressed that last to Stackja not Tom
BBC still saying no evidence of ballot fraud.
Daily dose of Vietnam!
Dr Steve Turley, 12:43, Patriots standing up!
Poll observer, 1:29, personnel account of being denied access:
Liberal Hivemind, 8:10, Pelosi gone:
Jill Stokke, 0:34, stolen ballot:
Memology 101, 2:27, Biden voters discover their future at the hands of BLM:
Salty Cracker, 8:06, those not on the plantation will be hunted down:
Blaze, 12:00, Lindsay Graham victory speech:
Timcast, 12:00, AZ declared to early ….. Edison vote count progress 10% higher than actual:
Rebel News, 9:22, the major fraud and they way out:
The only rational explanation:
https://alt-market.us/alt-market-calls-it-again-as-predicted-in-july-2020-election-will-be-contested/
Michael Rowland from TheirABC was interviewing Jan Brewer, former Republican Governor of Arizona, this morning AEDT who was confident of a Trump victory with Court assistance.
Like many other aspects of US life the voting system is fractured into parochial jusrisdictions and its honesty and effectiveness left to the character of local officials. Overlayed with a dog eat dog , winner take all cultures then its hardly surprising that sections of the voting system are corrupted. Whatever the US was is waning ot gone and it appears what comes next is mega Venezuela with nukes. Interesting times.
Donald Trump’s campaign wins court ruling to gain access to Philadelphia vote counting centre, loses legal challenge in Michigan
c/- Aunty
Includes photos of Court Orders.
I suspect, at the end of the day, there will be clear evidence of widespread cheating by the Dems, yet the courts will NOT act to address it, and they will get away with it. This is day 1 of the USA as a 3rd world country (in both governance and economic terms). Whilst it looks like this fight is lost (and I lost my stake money), I have learned something valuable: the leftists/globalists are now so powerful that they don’t even bother to try and hide what they are doing anymore. Take that to heart – they will do whatever they want now: ubiquitous surveillance, arbitrary lockdowns, health ‘passports’, monetary controls, asset thefts, movement restrictions, bank bail-ins, super account ‘nationalisation’ etc etc etc.
This is all much closer than we thought – think back to what has changed in the world just this year.
Guns, Gold n Bitcoin… (to paraphrase Schwarzenegger) “if you want to live…”
PS … Bitcoin is up to $20,000 AUD today, for all you who only remember the last report of its death.
“Sorry, I should have addressed that last to Stackja not Tom”
You actually addressed it to everybody. Your take on this situation is superb. The forces the Dems so stupidly unleashed will ramp up their demands, and won’t be reigned in with the usual Dem fake promises this time. Expectations have been raised.
Tyrone ‘n’ Laqueesha be wantin’ dem reparayshuns now, muddafudda.
More evidence – anomalies in the Presidential vs. Senatorial votes in swing states.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-does-biden-have-so-many-more-votes-democrat-senators-swing-states
Does that mean most of the difference only voted in the “President only” election and didn’t take part in Senate or House voting?
Lyrics not the same without the voice of Leonard Cohen!
Jan Brewer interview:
https://twitter.com/BreakfastNews/status/1324439433232355328
John Comnenus:
Nicely put, John.
Straight to the poolroom.
The Democrats have torn up the social contract – they must bear the burden of the consequences inherent in the term “When the ballot fails, the bullet prevails.”
Who would want to be the Mayor or Police Chief in any of the dodgy electorates?
yes – that’s the point the author is making.
In non-swing states, the presidential vote pretty much follows the senate votes (people just vote for their party and the difference in % votes is usually minor)
For the swing states, there are many more votes for Biden then votes for the Democratic Senate candidate. They only bothered stuffing the votes for president.
Well now. I hope all you “libertarians” who complain about Australia’s compulsory voting system have learned a valuable lesson.
Widespread voter fraud is only possible when ballot harvesting is possible.
Ballot harvesting is possible, if no one has a clue how many people turn out to vote.
What was the real turn out, 62.5%? 68%? 79%? See the problem?
Voluntary voting opens the door for mass voter fraud and we’re seeing it happen right before our very eyes.
Thus far in the US, Trump has received 68m votes. That’s an increase of about 6m on 2016 and most of us expected that. He lost very little of his 2016 support, picked up quite a bit more, especially among the minorities and had more enthusiasm this time around.
Old senile Biden on the other hand, got a record 70m+ votes. More than the landmark Obama number in 2008. Does anyone believe Biden motivated so many people while drooling his way through the campaign?
No point crying over spilled milk. Biden will have 2 years to do as much damage as possible. Democrats will then lose the house in 2022 and will also lose the White House in 2024, possibly to Ron DeSantis or Kristi Noem.
What secures the Republic is the Constitution. Trump and McConnell ensured it will stay safe with their SCOTUS picks.
The thing I will be looking for is to see if any of the conservative justices meet an early end via accidents or some such. If that happens, then the Republic may be lost.
I think the other lesson is a directly elected head of state with significant powers is a bad idea.
#comment-3647415
Wow! Any reasonable person would see the consistency of such significant anomaly as prima facie evidence of significant voting corruption.
This could be easily corroborated (or otherwise) by crosschecking with other information eg. valid voters on voter rolls, etc.
Does anybody know how we can urgently bring this to the attention of the President?
Does anybody know how we can urgently bring this to the attention of the President?
“If only Stalin knew”? Stalin didn’t care, but Trump does, and will know. Precincts with more votes to count than enrolled voters should all be challenged.
IT upthread is dead right. If you don’t see irregularities here you have shut your eyes or are simply a fraud yourself.
Interesting that Fox News is now the centre of the anti-Trump conspiracy.
Zatara #3647181, posted on November 6, 2020 at 12:28 am
We’ve just done that in Victoristan, for local council elections across the state.
Of course, the difference here is that 100% participation is expected and the rolls (not least due to said 100% participation) are reasonably current. The US seems to have the situation where the rolls are way out of date with little effort to correct this and then with optional voting, 100% mailout creates a lot of ballot papers looking for a place to go.
Phil Kline on War Room just detailed a bunch of irregularities and illegalities in the voting process in Michigan and elsewhere. He also gave a good account of how Zuckerberg put his finger on the scale too.
@ John #3647461
Trumps Spokesperson…Kayleigh McEnany has a Twitter A/C
Trump has a Twitter A/C
or contact via
https://www.whitehouse.gov/get-involved/write-or-call/
Wow. YouTube just ripped live War Room offline. Not even in my history now.
Have been following Steve Bannon’s Warroom Live Utube telecasts which are fantastic in giving informed and up-to-date info on Republican responses to election events.
Just found that his website has been suspended, as has his Twitter account.
What gives???
Very dangerous to depend on one online publisher in these times. That fact we all go to the one dominant name is bad enough.
We need to somehow get in the habit of viewing YT as a channel on the TV, not the TV. Getting there is proving difficult.
Like this:
eevBLAB #39 – Youtube Alternatives:
I saw snippets of a discussion on the possibility of a Contingent Vote in Congress resolving any impasse. Allowed by the 12th Amendment (?), but only invoked once, I think.
Anyone know anything re Contingency Vote?
May this place remain freely accessible, since I have not been invited to Catallaxy Premium.
rickw
#3646972, posted on November 5, 2020 at 10:04 pm
We know they cheated and they know we know so what’s next?
Start with Lawsuits and if that doesn’t work, finish it with Rifles.
It as to be that way – once the demons take control, USA is finished. It will be looted and destroyed.
There will be no “waiting for 4 years and voting Biden etc out”.
At least they still have the 2nd amendment (but not for long) – which we don’t have – so they have a chance
Vicki
#3647496, posted on November 6, 2020 at 10:43 am
Have been following Steve Bannon’s Warroom Live Utube telecasts which are fantastic in giving informed and up-to-date info on Republican responses to election events.
Just found that his website has been suspended, as has his Twitter account.
What gives???
The Deep Swamp have won – they will now freely censor/cancel whomsoever they wish. Who is going to stop them? Once the election is called for Biden, Trump will be totally censored as well.
Better get used to the Brave New World. We in Australia can’t stop them – that fuckwit Howard made sure of that.
2. Did the left cheat = yes
3. Did the left cheat swing the election = probable
4. is there sufficient ‘hard evidence’ of that cheat = no.
Yes.
Dept of Homeland Security applied an invisible watermark to all official ballots, which can only be read by an infra-red reader. The National Guard is currently engaged in about 20 cities (approx) doing exactly that right now. Unofficial mail-in ballots do not have that watermark. Fraud readily exposed. Trump has got this. The media is still lying.
Of the numerous sealed indictments currently held in the US a high percentage relates to voter fraud, stemming from the 2018 half term elections. Dems are panicking.
#3647488
I’m not on twitter. And double Wow, social media is covering up the brazen fraud by closing influential accounts mentioning it.
#3647556
Link, or are you making this up?
John above. Google DHS verifiable ballots & go from there. Also, see Tim Murtaugh, Trumps 2020 Election Director of Communications, and click on Trump Campaign Statement. Also see Dr Heath Motley twitter feed from yesterday, and fololw leads from there. Sorry, I don’t have time for locate the specific tweet but plenty of leads stem from that. Good luck.
Fraud can be proved statistically
https://twitter.com/statsguyphd/status/1324358073276923905
I am making these tweets to explain in one place some analysis that was done last night.
1 – I was asked offline about doing Benford’s on election data. I explained that this is common and a useful way to detect anomalies in data that are driven by artificial process (e.g. fraud)
12 – And here are the raw numbers (1 to 9):
Biden: [86, 35, 52, 69, 79, 62, 42, 28, 22]
Trump: [115, 85, 89, 57, 35, 36, 27, 16, 16]
13 – Here are the respective p-values:
Biden 1.5076774999383611e-27
Trump 0.00048111250713426005
14 – What is notable is the extreme difference in their p-values. The drawback to this analysis is that there is a Better test for Benford’s goodness of fit. It is the Watson version of the Cramer von Mises test (U2). You can read about why it is better here (next message)
16 – What is undeniable is that the first digit frequencies of Biden’s vote totals is extremely anomalous in comparison to Trump’s.
John Q Adams and Hayes?
John Smith101
#3647556, posted on November 6, 2020 at 11:04 am
This is the first I’ve heard of this. Do you have a reference?
Mem, talk about watermarks seems to have been floating around since at least yesterday, but like you I am yet to see anything concrete.
Each state gets one vote (good luck deciding who for).
Deadlock is possible.
It is the Fourth Turning.
It has happened in the past. It is happening now. It will happen again in the future.
We know it is happening, thus we can prepare – however, those still asleep will have a very rude awakening.
Massive censoring of social media relating to brazen US election fraud. Haven’t seen anythging like this since Soviet era.
Soviets ? Democrims?there is adifference ? Same slimy scum crap people .
The usa is mow no longer a real democracy its a globalist Chinese colony .
John Smith101
Wouldn’t watermarks infringe on the secret ballot tenant that underpins free democracy. I too have seen this assertion, Trump hasn’t mentioned it and in fact looked a little disheveled at latest press conferences (Fully understand why) but why not go there. I am same with my reservations as above posters.
Excellent summary of the extensive number of red flags pointing towards electoral fraud in Democrat controlled swing States.
Watch: Suitcases and Coolers Rolled Into
Detroit Voting Center at 4 AM, Brought Into
Secure Counting Area
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You numbskulls will believe anything. (Except probably the debunk, right?) lol
https://www.insider.com/video-claiming-detroit-voter-fraud-actually-shows-photographer-camera-gear-2020-11
Next!