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Many decades ago, in that fleeting parenthesis between the ravages of Marxism and those of the assault on Dead White Males, there raged in academia something of a great debate about Thucydides’s History of the Peloponnesian War.
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This is more like 632 AD. Two religions are at loggerheads. The new Green-Progressive religion thinks the world is going to fry in very few years time if they don’t force the entire population to do obeisance to their god. On the other side is the substantially Christian conservative section of US population, who pretty much reject the green-left’s apocalyptic views of global warming and refuse to do all the other woke stuff like worshiping at the altar SSM and abortion.
The problem is the green-left won’t take no for an answer because of their existential (imaginary) fears. So they feel empowered to do absolutely anything to force obedience upon the US population. Like stealing elections.
So it’s not a Thucydides trap, it’s worse than that: an olde style fanatical religion on the warpath. And there can be no healing because the fanatical religion is new and rejects the compromises that have historically oiled the gears of the US civil polity.
This is more like 632 AD. Two religions are at loggerheads. The new Green-Progressive religion thinks the world is going to fry in very few years time if they don’t force the entire population to do obeisance to their god. On the other side is the substantially Christian conservative section of US population, who pretty much reject the green-left’s apocalyptic views of global warming and refuse to do all the other woke stuff like worshiping at the altar of SSM and abortion.
The problem is the green-left won’t take no for an answer because of their existential (imaginary) fears. So they feel empowered to do absolutely anything to force obedience upon the US population. Like stealing elections.
So it’s not a Thucydides trap, it’s worse than that: an olde style fanatical religion on the warpath. And there can be no healing because the fanatical religion is new and rejects the compromises that have historically oiled the gears of the US civil polity.
Thucydides should be required reading, at least in bite sized chunks, for high school kids.
His account is literally “nothing new under the sun”.
The same hubris, “superstar” personalities, venality and greed are visible in his writings as valid as contemporary newsprint.
USA might survive this full frontal assault of the elites against the proles, but when the leaders despise the people they are leading that cant be sustained.
Thucydides should be required reading, at least in bite sized chunks, for high school kids.
His account is literally “nothing new under the sun”.
The same hubris, “superstar” personalities, venality and greed are visible in his writings as valid as contemporary newsprint.
USA might survive this full frontal assault of the elites against the proles, but when the leaders despise the people they are leading that cant be sustained.
Thucydides should be required reading, at least in bite sized chunks, for high school kids.
His account is literally “nothing new under the sun”.
The same hubris, “superstar” personalities, venality and greed are visible in his writings as valid as contemporary newsprint.
USA might survive this full frontal assault of the elites against the proles, but when the leaders despise the people they are leading that cant be sustained.
Good article
Though something is triggering the spamminator.
Thuc ydides should be required reading, at least in bite sized ch unks, for high school kids.
His account is literally “nothing new under the sun”.
The same hubris, “superstar” personalities, venality and greed are visible in his writings as valid as contemporary newsprint.
USA might survive this full frontal assault of the elites against the proles, but when the leaders despise the people they are leading that cant be sustained.
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A fine piece by Henry, who is something of a classicist. But, while human nature is is the seed of all conflict, the nature of Periclean Athens was very different from Republican Rome.
The development of the city-state produced a form of government in classical Greece that produced an amazing degree of citizen participation in decision making. Rome’s development was characterised by the predominance of aristocratic families, predominantly large landholders, from the start.
The United States of America seems to have taken its cue from both seeds. But it always seems to me that the founding fathers were very keen to ensure that rural America was not overruled by the numbers in the cities.
On my first visit to Washington I was amused and enchanted by the triumphalism of the government architecture and statuary which absolutely echoed those of ancient Rome.
As it grew to maturity and spread its influence throughout the Mediterranean, Rome tended to settle its internal political scores amongst its leading citizens by violence. The USA is, of course, influenced by so many other forces. But, like Rome, it has a de-commissioned militia from Middle Eastern conflicts – interestingly, like Rome. It is not impossible that these veterans may be mobilised “to protect the Republic”.
Am I dumb enough to pay $14 to read Henry’s excellent article? Nope
Here you go.
Uh oh. My copy and paste has been eaten by the Spaminator.
Perhaps, if it gets released, add another comment pointing to it so it is not missed by those who don’t make a habit of scrolling up.
Now reading Victor Hanson Davis’ highly regarded account of the wars. Comparing America to Athens.
Try again.
Second attempt failed even after guessing which words could be naughty.
Thuc ydides triggers it.
I dont know why or how, it just does.
Mak – you need to paste any text lifted from the Oz as “plain text”.
Ross Cameron mentioned Thucy and the Peloponnesian War when the former spoke at CPAC on Wednesday.
This is more like 632 AD. Two religions are at loggerheads. The new Green-Progressive religion thinks the world is going to fry in very few years time if they don’t force the entire population to do obeisance to their god. On the other side is the substantially Christian conservative section of US population, who pretty much reject the green-left’s apocalyptic views of global warming and refuse to do all the other woke stuff like worshiping at the altar of SSM and abortion.
The problem is the green-left won’t take no for an answer because of their existential (imaginary) fears. So they feel empowered to do absolutely anything to force obedience upon the US population. Like stealing elections.
So it’s not a Thuc ydides trap, it’s worse than that: an olde style fanatical religion on the warpath. And there can be no healing because the fanatical religion is new and rejects the compromises that have historically oiled the gears of the US civil polity.
And thanks Mole for finding the magic word!
I thought I found all of these, and inserted a space therein, in my second attempt. Oh well.
Thanks. I’m not sure that that is an option on the iPad. I’ll look closer next time.
Oops, sorry about the triple posting, looks like Sinc has found the spam bin full of Greek generals.
An interesting read, thanks to all Cats.
But I am inclined.to agree with Bruce of Newy (Don’t you ever let a chance go by, my goodan! 😁).
From my limited readings of the Pelopponesian war, Thucydides described the interactions of many tightly interlinked players and small polities in the orbit of bigger ones. And how all inexorably got dragged into the stoush between the two big players in Athens and Sparta.
A closer modern approximation would be the path into World War One, with the intricate and intertwined big Imperial players and smaller Imperial players. Though, as history shows, Germany wanted the war and was happy to sacrifce the actual flexibility of its mobilisation planning in order to stick the boot into France and Belguim first.
In fact, I would argue that we a sick amalgam of Europe during the Thirty Years’ War period (Holy Roman Empire declining and being pushed back in traditionally ‘safe’ territories. Only we have no Gustavus Adolphus or Sweden-equivalent on our side, and the UN andGlobal elite play boh he Vatican and The Inquisition), and Soviet Russia’s attempts to create a colonial empire onnhe cheap post-1945. They supply the guns and the money, the stooges provide the bodies.
In effect, the Red Flag is now painted Green (complimentary colours in the painting world, Cats! Consider that…), and the Hammer and Sickle are less obvious as they are depicted in the hands of an effigy of an androgynous, hermaphroditic ‘Mamma Gaia.’ Whichakes it al totally Okay, Comrades!
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/04/the_un_and_one_world_worship.html
The Pope has signed onto this, so it’s the old religion being led into the new religion.
That’s exactly what Pope Francis is teaching.
An interesting read, thanks to all Cats.
But I am inclined.to agree with Bruce of Newy (Don’t you ever let a chance go by, my goodan! 😁).
From my limited readings of the Pelopponesian war, Thucydides described the interactions of many tightly interlinked players and small polities in the orbit of bigger ones. And how all inexorably got dragged into the stoush between the two big players in Athens and Sparta.
A closer modern approximation would be the path into World War One, with the intricate and intertwined big Imperial players and smaller Imperial players. Though, as history shows, Germany wanted the war and was happy to sacrifce the actual flexibility of its mobilisation planning in order to stick the boot into France and Belguim first.
In fact, I would argue that we a sick amalgam of Europe during the Thirty Years’ War period (Holy Roman Empire declining and being pushed back in traditionally ‘safe’ territories. Only we have no Gustavus Adolphus or Sweden-equivalent on our side, and the UN andGlobal elite play boh he Vatican and The Inquisition), and Soviet Russia’s attempts to create a colonial empire onnhe cheap post-1945. They supply the guns and the money, the stooges provide the bodies.
In effect, the Red Flag is now painted Green (complimentary colours in the painting world, Cats! Consider that…), and the Hammer and Sickle are less obvious as they are depicted in the hands of an effigy of an androgynous, hermaphroditic ‘Mamma Gaia.’ Whichakes it al totally Okay, Comrades!
I m sad to say that I had a comment in thjs matter. I tried to post it twice. And just gone.
Sod WordPress some days…
The USA is not ancient Athens. The US has not engaged is widespread war to create an Empire and then pillaged its own allies. The US has always paid its way and generally produced peace.
Nor is it Rome. The US has not defeated and subjected all around them and then hung on and to empire into dotage.
Yet the US seems broken and spent. Can those who make up the US continue the experiment with freedom and prosperity?
Are there a few good people with the capability, the ‘vitues’, to save the day? Very unlikely, as the great Greek historian showed, there is never a recovery. What tomorrow brings will be very different.
I tried to post something similar to these before, albeit bigger and with more analogies. It was nommed. Twice. Sod WordPress 🙁
@ Bruce-
I think you are on the right track. Ditto to you, HGS.
Rather than being a complicated interplay of small and large factions sliding around the machinations of a few big players, I think the USA and West are facing a combination of the Thirty Years’ War situation in Europe (H oly Roman Empire and Inquisition being played by our world’s Davos types and their bugman minions; No clear equivalent Gustavus Adolphus and muscular Kingdom of Sweden as yet identifiable on the side of we deplorables and proles), and Soviet Russia’s attempts to build a global colonial empire on the cheap post-1945 (Russkies supply guns and money, Commie stooges supply the cannon fodder. In USA, Georgy Sore-Arse and various very rich Elites play the former role, and we all know which groups are supplying the rubes).
Given the generational trail of destruction each event has carved in its own little corner of the world, it is not a nice amalgam to observe…