A dog act

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128 Responses to A dog act

  1. Infidel Tiger

    What a complete xunt of a man.

  2. Infidel Tiger

    The endless treasure and blood we have spilled in that shithole… have we ever received one fucking fax of appreciation?

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just as China is doing a creepy impression of the late 1930’s all over again Scott Morrison is undermining our Defense Forces like no other Prime Minister ever has.

    What gives? Does he have a death wish for our nation? No wonder the ADF finds it hard to get recruits.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    In 20 years, despite tens of billions spent and hundreds of maimed and dead Australian soldiers, we have never had an enquiry on why we are still in that God forsaken shithole.

    What a putrid country we are now.

  5. Roger

    Just as China is doing a creepy impression of the late 1930’s all over again Scott Morrison is undermining our Defense Forces like no other Prime Minister ever has.

    What gives?

    As I wrote on the OT:

    “ScoMo” is a mere cipher; those who are advising him are the real problem.

    Prime Ministers and their governments come and go, but they – the senior public service mandarins – remain, with an outlook that places internationalism ahead of Australia’s interests.

    It would take a man of conviction and character to stand up against them, and such types don’t enter politics anymore.

  6. Terry

    Looking for someone to slap him, so he “can turn the other cheek” in an overt display of “virtue” and “piety”.

    A hollow, spineless grub.

    Just go!

  7. calli

    When push comes to shove, don’t expect any serviceman or woman to lift a finger to defend you Scummo.

    You are not worth their life.

  8. candy

    I’m pretty sure it’s just a tactic to get the Muslim vote here. The terrible wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and interference by Bush and Howard still rankle.

    It is a political thing, though. My problem is that there have been no trials that I’m aware of, and he and General Campbell are officially saying some of our SAS are guilty of war crimes and misdemeanours, an extremely serious matter, but really there should be a trial first.

  9. DD

    The dog is the most honourable of God’s animals and dedicated to the service of man. A dog would never behave like such as Morrison. Please re-title this piece.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    The Brereton report also found evidence that junior soldiers were required by their patrol commanders to shoot a prisoner to achieve their first kill, in a practice known as “blooding”.

    If this is true, then the culture is broken, but it sounds like the biggest load of Hollywood shit I have read.

    I know there are quite a few current and former members on this forum, I wish they could chime in.

  11. H B Bear

    Thank God for the Lieborals.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    In 20 years time our government will be having another enquiry into why that generation’s special forces also committed bastardry in Afghanistan.

    Not once will they ever ask themselves “why are we sending our best of breed to those shitholes?”

  13. Roger

    Prime Ministers and their governments come and go, but they – the senior public service mandarins – remain, with an outlook that places internationalism ahead of Australia’s interests.

    Which is how we got into this mess in the first place, I could add.

  14. Lee

    I will never vote for Morrison again.
    Informal instead, rather than vote for Labor or the Greens.
    Morrison is absolutely gutless and a crawler.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Don’t worry, I’m sure he’ll still be getting all the lovely photo ops with the troops just prior to the next election.

  16. candy

    The Brereton report also found evidence that junior soldiers were required by their patrol commanders to shoot a prisoner to achieve their first kill, in a practice known as “blooding”.

    What happened to the dead prisoners who were used for “blooding” – there must be thousands and thousands of bodies somewhere and who hid them and kept it a secret till now?

    What a load of tosh.

  17. A Lurker

    We’ll never know but I suspect Peter Dutton would have been a far better PM than Morrison and Turnbull combined. After all, when you hit rock bottom when it comes to Liberal leaders, there is only one way to go and that is up.

  18. C.L.

    Angus Campbell has also apologised and says he will advise the Governor-General to revoke the accused’s medals.

    Campbell was promoted to the rank of major general and appointed as Commander Joint Task Force 633 in 2011, responsible for all Australian forces deployed in the Middle East, including Afghanistan. For his command in Afghanistan he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.

    His own DSC must also be revoked.

  19. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    My views on Goose Morristeen’s recent behaviour are unpublishable on this blog, so I’ll spare Sinc any grief.

  20. Terry

    ‘It would take a man of conviction and character [A Trump, for example] to stand up against them, and such types don’t enter politics anymore.’ – if they ever did.

    Our political system (Westminster) actively works against it.

    We cannot have a Trump. Anyone with the courage to stand against the trough-feeders is marginalised (I am thinking of someone like Craig Kelly amongst a cabal of career parasites).

    Could a firebrand like Latham (outside his stint amongst the Fabian Socialists) ever rise to a position with the power to instigate effective change?

    Our Deep State is simply a slightly shallower, a little bit more amateur, and a little less original version of the USA’s.

    That’s why the US election is so important. Our system requires our “leaders” to be led. Without external “leadership”, they simply swim in self-congratulatory circles while feeding in the cesspit of “Public Service” (such a sacrifice they make, for us of course).

  21. calli

    Scummo, if you’re wondering why the in-flight food you’re served tastes a bit funny…

  22. JohnL

    The dog is the most honourable of God’s animals and dedicated to the service of man. A dog would never behave like such as Morrison. Please re-title this piece.

    My suggestion:
    “A snake (serpent) act”
    Any more suggestions?

  23. calli

    We should have been content with The Peanut as PM.

    Less disappointment.

  24. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Any more suggestions?

    A Jackal Act
    A Hyena Act

  25. Mother Lode

    His own DSC must also be revoked.

    When I saw him I assumed it stood for Despicable Sniveling Careerist.

    Live and learn…

  26. tombell

    Don’t worry, I’m sure he’ll still be getting all the lovely photo ops with the troops just prior to the next election.

    assuming he travels to a spot where our troops are deployed in combat, one can only hope they salute him….

  27. C.L.

    Point taken.
    My apologies to any dogs reading.

  28. Roger

    I’m sure he’ll still be getting all the lovely photo ops with the troops just prior to the next election.

    No self respecting digger would avail him the opportunity.

    At the very least, Morrison has presumed the guilt of the soldiers listed in the report without any court martial having taken place. You don’t abandon your mates in the Australian army.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    A 6 month listening tour of tribal Afghanistan would help.

    Off you go Scotty.

  30. mh

    Morrison: hi Joe! You’re wanting to restart wars in the Middle East? That’s a good idea. Of course I will send more Aussie soldiers. You can always count on us!

  31. Albatross

    May as well call Xi while he’s at it to congratulate him as the newly minted absolute ruler of the Asia-Pacific.

  32. C.L.

    Crosseyed goofball Campbell has no right to order the revocation of medals from innocent men.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    The revenge of the brass.

    They hated that these men were revered for actual service.

  34. Cassie of Sydney

    I wasn’t voting Liberal before this….I certainly won’t be voting Liberal after this…ever again.

  35. Infidel Tiger

    4 Tours of Afghanistan.

    “That’s nothing, I once got a horrid rope burn on the obstacle course at Puckapunyal.”

  36. lotocoti

    Did I miss the bit where ScoMo apologised to Merkel for the German civilians killed by RAAF personnel in the ETO?

  37. Terry

    ‘A 6 month listening tour of tribal Afghanistan would help’

    Security to be provided by Sergeant Hekmatullah.

  38. Noddy

    I am disgusted with Australian politicians with very few exceptions. The Leaders are even worse!
    The ABC’s expose is a deliberate attack on the Australian Defence Force to lower morale … not only in the Forces but in the Australian people as a whole. This is a form of treason. It should be a crime to slight the Defence Service and not tolerated in any shape or form! It cements my contention that you can have the best Army in the world but if your politicians are without any fealty whatsoever, then your country is stuffed. Why keep voting for these people? How can you fight a battle if you are bound and gagged? It appears it is now ‘the Australian way’!

  39. Roger

    Crosseyed goofball Campbell has no right to order the revocation of medals from innocent men.

    He has no right to revoke any medals until procedural fairness has been accorded the soldiers concerned.

    Unhappily, the actions of Morrison and the messaging of Campbell suggest that the desired outcome has already been set up.

  40. maree

    More suicides now. People are being shamed for acting under Rules Of Engagenent against an asymmetrical enemy. Our kids are really fretting about their dad and his brothers in arms. This is a George Pell witch hunt.

  41. Rex Mango

    This war has lasted three times as long as WW2. Politicians having spent decades feminising the army didn’t want casualities, so sent special forces to do an infantry job. After multiple tours and becoming very good at doing their job, politicians then order an enquiry into those special forces and offer compensation to Afghans who come forward to give evidence. Politicians then apologise.

  42. duncanm

    An important point, from one of the whistleblowers himself

    But the former SAS patrol member believes the culture was shaped by the constant grind of deployment after deployment, by leadership that turned a blind eye, and by the pointlessness of their mission in Afghanistan.

    “We were bringing people back, handing them over to the Afghan authorities. Three days later they were released back out to go do whatever they were doing, even if they were a confirmed target,” he said.

    “I think they [his SAS comrades] believed that … we either don’t go out at all, or we just shoot these people. Because why are we risking our lives?”

    Scomo should be hammering that point to the Afghani President, not dropping our soldiers in the shit.

  43. Boambee John

    It is a political thing, though. My problem is that there have been no trials that I’m aware of, and he and General Campbell are officially saying some of our SAS are guilty of war crimes and misdemeanours, an extremely serious matter, but really there should be a trial first.

    Look on the good side. Defence lawyers should be able to make a case to throw the allegations out on the grounds of pre-trial prejudicial statements by Morrison and Campbell.

  44. shatterzzz

    In 1971 after returning from a place I won’t mention given the angst it causes to at least one blogger here I made the decision as a Pommie Bastard that no matter how long I stayed I would NEVER take out citoyen-ship.
    And as the years have passed, now in my 54th year in Oz, with a large coterie of both kids and grandkids (all Oz) one thing, given the regularity of gummint balls-ups, I seem to have gotten right was NOT to renege on that promise …..
    This spineless act by BRADBURY only strengthens it!

  45. Terry

    ‘Look on the good side. Defence lawyers should be able to make a case to throw the allegations out on the grounds of pre-trial prejudicial statements by Morrison and Campbell.’

    It is possible, they would be all fine with that outcome. Justice is not their goal.

    Virtue-signal, wag the finger, perform for the media, sacrifice a few (probably more than a few) of our best on the political altar (possibly suicide), revoke their medals, destroy their lives and families, and then have them (finally) cleared in court, after being punished by the process and humiliation (even if eventually cleared).

    It is these “leaders” that should be in the dock. They openly betray us and yet continue to occupy positions of power over us, paid for by us.

  46. Megan

    Cockroach act.

    He is a despicable, disgusting excuse for a human being. Hard act to follow being worse than Rimmer and the Slapper but he has somehow managed it.

  47. Infidel Tiger King

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: Every beloved institution in Australia from the CWA to the SAS has now been destroyed.

  48. Tintarella di Luna

    That is the act of a carrion creature, picking over the blood and guts of our armed services to get a political nod from the ABC, I am so absolutely disgusted.

  49. JohnL

    A Jackal Act
    A Hyena Act

    A jackal, hyena, vulture even worms may be feeding on dead bodies but they provide a valuable service in cleaning and sanitising the environment.
    There is no creature in the animal kingdom as despicable as Morrison and Cambel to compare with.
    Morrison and Campbell are feeding on the dead bodies of our heroes.

  50. Mique

    Everything about Defence is political, and always has been. I’m sure that Morrison is speaking out because, if he didn’t, he’d be fighting an incessant rearguard action against their ABC and the other usual suspects. It certainly would have been nice for a guilty finding by a properly constituted court, but politics never stop for such niceties. Expecting politicians to keep their mouths shut is futile.

    Perhaps people of a certain age will recall the Vietnam War and the infamous Gunner O’Neill case and its sequellae. Look it up. The principle of “condonation” established in the defence case of his superior officer accused of unlawfully chaining O’Neill to a gun pit seems relevant. (We examined this then highly topical case in 1967 when studying law on our officer training course. The burden of the story was that when it seemed like O’Neill’s OC was going to be court martialled, his superiors immediately sent him out into the field in an operational role. Thus, his senior commanders effectively “condoned” any offence he may have committed, thereby negating any chance of successful prosecution. Whether that would be successful in these cases is unknowable, and military law will have changed since then, but it might succeed if it could be proven that the hierarchy were aware that a particular group were under suspicion, but sent them back into the field regardless.

    No doubt their ABC will pull out all the stops as in the Pell case.

  51. Infidel Tiger King

    Remember the “Jedi Council”?

    All of them got compensation.

  52. Terry

    Mique
    #3664453, posted on November 19, 2020 at 12:55 pm
    ‘I’m sure that Morrison is speaking out because, if he didn’t, he’d be fighting an incessant rearguard action against their ABC and the other usual suspects.’

    Oh, so it’s simply a matter of taking on the easier target. Well, why didn’t you say so? How courageous. He’s still a grub.

  53. H B Bear

    I’m sure he’ll still be getting all the lovely photo ops with the troops just prior to the next election. I

    Politicians in khaki and RM Williams have all the authenticity of an Al Jolson rendition of “Mammy”. Doesn’t stop them though.

  54. Natural Instinct

    Did the PM also express “sorrow” for all the air raids that missed targets?
    Or is only the land based soldiers that do allegedly bad things?
    Or maybe we don’t drop bombs anymore.

  55. rickw

    Scumo always manages to add new angles to being completely shit.

  56. vr

    there is a solution to this…. only female soldiers should be sent out on patrol. They are every bit as good as male soldiers in the field plus they are kind and more evolved….

  57. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Politicians in khaki and RM Williams have all the authenticity of an Al Jolson rendition of “Mammy”.

    Send this agent of foreign influence and unrepentant war criminal off to the Hague!

  58. Viva

    When does the Apology Tour a la Obama begin?

  59. flyingduk

    One day we will have need of true warriors to protect us …. what do we do then….. what do we do then?

    Winter is coming

  60. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld

    I wonder if our pathetic PM has ever read or knows what happens in Afghanistan. The “other side” have committed atrocities especially on their own people that makes one’s blood run cold. If the military actually did do ‘blooding’ that has to be dealt with but not by the jackals at their ALPBC. I am disgusted that the PM has apologised when there has been no court case or proven guilt. What the hell has happened to common decency?

  61. Roger

    I am disgusted that the PM has apologised when there has been no court case or proven guilt. What the hell has happened to common decency?

    Firstly, Morrison is following the advice of Campbell and Defence mandarins.

    To the extent that he’s given the matter any deep consideration it would have been viewed through the political lens: How will this impact my popularity as PM?

    He would have concluded that defending the rights of the accused was too politically costly.

    Decency doesn’t come into these calculations.

  62. Perfidious Albino

    We are WAY past that point Natural Instinct – we already don’t drop bombs on strategic targets because someone might have to walk a little further for water…

  63. dopey

    ABC. Unsubstantiated claims are ok now apparently.

  64. Rex Anger

    @ flyingduk-They are still out there.

    They just stay mighty quiet, silently vent their rage at the incompetence ofntheirnsuperuors amongst the safety of each other’s company. And carry on…

    (…And craft hilarious and biting memes and comics about it on the internet!)

  65. candy

    Morrison and Campbell perhaps have sent a message to the world that the Australian Armed Forces is a mob of murdering savages.

  66. Morrison appears to have a “tin ear” in relation to significant areas in which he has had little personal familiarity. Despite routine visits to drought stricken areas, and subsequently, to bush fire disaster zones, the man was just not convincing in his “understanding” of the plight of folks in the country. Now it is clear that he has little insight into combat behind the “lines”.

    His “largesse” of income support to farmers was pitiful (when compared to copious amounts to OS rent seekers) & buried in volumes of required paperwork.

    Similarly, he was seemingly unable to sort through the scandals surrounding generous donations from ordinary people to “charities” which have sat on same funds, while employing armies of paper pushers.

    Scomo needs to shape up & understand that there are people out there beyond the inner suburbs who value their culture, the countryside and their combat veterans.

    I like his defiance of the Middle Kingdom, but I want a leader who understands the bread spectrum of a country’s values and traditions. I also want a leader who has our back against the scumbags of the Middle East.

  67. BrettW

    The allegations relate to 2005 to 2016. Is there an investigation into who knew what in the hierarchy.
    Much has been mentioned about Yamashita but he only took command 10 days before US invaded Phillipines. It is acknowledged he had three major formations but he was out of contact with two of them. He ordered the withdrawal of troops from Manila but a Nsvy Admiral, not under his command, re-occupied Manila and as a result 100,000 civilians died there. Some senior ADF officers, covering 11 years, have far more accountability than many of the actions Yamashita was found guilty of. Plus every senior commander in Afghanistan would have received medals for their tours there and gone on to be promoted etc.

    “Campbell was promoted to the rank of major general and appointed as Commander Joint Task Force 633 in 2011, responsible for all Australian forces deployed in the Middle East, including Afghanistan. For his command in Afghanistan he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross”

  68. shatterzzz

    Labor must be applauding .. Bradbury the political tin ear .. still tone deaf …. I saw up-thread someone mentioned he’s after the R o P vote .. that’ll keep his Labor maaate’s ‘appy!

  69. Lee

    Everything about Defence is political, and always has been. I’m sure that Morrison is speaking out because, if he didn’t, he’d be fighting an incessant rearguard action against their ABC and the other usual suspects.

    The fiercely-left partisan ABC has already clearly shown that they are at “war” with the Liberal government.
    Morrison trying to appease or please the likes of the ABC or its supporters will change absolutely nothing

  70. Professor Fred Lenin

    I suppose winston Churchill apologused to the Germans for bombing and killing Hitlers socialist muderers .
    Rudd has more chace of being sec gen of the corrupt untidy nayshins than that could ever happen .
    Career politicians are scum , abolish politics as a career path ,one term in your lifetime and no super or perks .

  71. Terry

    ‘Rudd’…speaking of it.

    Were there any charges laid as a result of the Pink Batts debacle?

    How about deaths-at-sea (and on the rocks of Christmas Island) of illegal country shoppers?

  72. woolfe

    And true to form The Paywallian not allowing any comments

  73. cohenite

    Not a dog act, nor a kunt act; as both are good and useful except for the mangy ones. There is no doubt scomo is a bastard, so it was a bastard act.

  74. Joanna Smythe

    I’ll bet Morrison has lost a lot of support over this. He has basically said guilty until proven innocent.

  75. Cassie of Sydney

    “dopey
    #3664526, posted on November 19, 2020 at 1:59 pm
    ABC. Unsubstantiated claims are ok now apparently.”

    We should ask Cardinal George Pell for his opinion about the ABC and unsubstantiated claims.

  76. Bruce

    About the length of this war:

    Twenty years?

    The Soviets invaded in 1979, to prop up their new fraternal brother in Kabul.

    The first Australian of consequence, lost in the “fracas”, was Rafael Favero, who was killed whilst filming mujaheddin playing around with a captured Soviet tank. The “novice driver”, as so often happens in these circumstances, “lost control” and mortally injured Favero.

    A mere skirmish. The ACTUAL war has been going on across the globe for 1500 years.

    Then, there was the ‘Tali-Tubby”.

  77. rickw

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: Every beloved institution in Australia from the CWA to the SAS has now been destroyed.

    +1000

  78. Infidel Tiger King

    Morrison was using the Australian flag as a sputum rag earlier this week. Today he slanders and defames our only fighting unit without even waiting for a trial.

  79. Zyconoclast

    The endless treasure and blood we have spilled in that shithole… have we ever received one fucking fax of appreciation?

    Nor should we.

    The ADF should not be fighting real wars about fake wars on terror.

  80. Infidel Tiger King

    The ADF should not be fighting real wars about fake wars on terror.

    We obey whatever the endless war machine tells us to do.

    And then we’ll blame the meat in the grinder if there’s any fallout.

  81. Bronson

    So how will the accused receive a fair trial now that both the tinned eared Morrison and how do spell Takeshita Campbell have declared them guilty?

  82. Top Ender

    Interesting…

    Justice Paul Brereton’s report on alleged war crimes by Australian forces in Afghanistan reveals sickening and immoral conduct by the nation’s most revered, well-trained soldiers.

    His findings are staggering in their gravity, scope and seriousness, and will echo for years to come.

    He finds credible evidence that 25 Australian serving and former special forces soldiers committed war crimes, resulting in the unlawful deaths of 39 Afghan civilians or prisoners.

    Justice Brereton’s report paints a picture of soldiers out of control, spurred on by perverted “warrior culture” that was fostered by influential non-commissioned officers and allowed by commanders to flourish.

    It will shake the foundations of the Australian Defence Force for years, and reverberate for generations to come.

    In shocking details, he found credible evidence to confirm more senior soldiers ordered newly-arrived troopers to execute prisoners in horrifying “blooding” rituals.

    One incident mentioned, but not described, is said to be “possibly the most disgraceful episode in Australia’s military history”.

    In the past, some in the community have given special forces soldiers the benefit of the doubt, suggesting crimes may have been the result of “the fog of war”.

    Justice Brereton repudiates that notion in the first few pages of his report, saying none of the incidents he pursued were the result of decisions made “in the heat of battle”.

    His report says corporals and sergeants in the field were directly responsible for the alleged crimes, keeping them secret from officers.

    But, crucially, he says commanders are also accountable, and must bear moral responsibility for what occurred.

    The Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell, who initiated the inquiry as chief of army, has vowed to reform the units and rebuild their moral authority.

    The Special Air Service Regiment will live on, despite the majority of alleged murders being committed by its members. But its troubled 2 Squadron, in which Victorian Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith served, will be abolished.

    General Campbell also apologised to the victims’ families, who will be compensated, and to the Australian people for the “shameful” findings.

    He has also pledged to pursue commanders who looked the other way, declaring “all options are on the table”.

    General Campbell is himself effectively exonerated in the report, which finds the post he held in 2011-12, as commander of Australia’s Middle East operations, known as Joint Taskforce 633, was too remote from the field to have a sufficient degree of command and control.

    But as a beret-qualified former Special Air Service officer and senior commander, he is a contemporary and friend of many of Defence’s most senior officers who will inevitably face questions over their own accountability.

    He and Chief of Army Rick Burr – who commanded SASR in 2003-04 – will now lead Defence’s deepest and wrenching overhaul in a generation.

    They will have to set aside their own deep connections to the SAS, and to many fellow commanders, if they are to rebuild the community’s trust in the Australian Army and its elite combat units.

    Oz – no comments allowed!

  83. maree

    A Dog Act, alright. The spouse’s best army mate in 1ARUwas killed at Long Hai in 1966 by a civilian sniper, and another was badly wounded by the same person not in uniform. My husband was always in uniform, always armed, always a target, unlike people who are these dogs telling tales. These men, like my husband, father of our children, are decent men, not murderers. They did their best.

  84. C.L.

    Oz – no comments allowed!

    Yes because somebody might write something, um… defamatory.

  85. dasher

    I await a reciprocal response.

  86. harrys on the boat

    “why are we sending our best of breed to those shitholes?”

    Amen.

    This needs an enquiry, resulting with Howard in jail.

  87. Rex Anger

    General Campbell is himself effectively exonerated in the report, which finds the post he held in 2011-12, as commander of Australia’s Middle East operations, known as Joint Taskforce 633, was too remote from the field to have a sufficient degree of command and control.

    Bullshit

    The nature of SOCOMD’s role in Afghanistan meant its units of SASR and CDO troops were amongst the most closely scrutinised in the entire theatre.

    Everything they did was monitored, recorded, remotely obseved, questioned, lawyered, briefed, debriefed analysed and even micromanaged. By their own TF staff, as well as JTF staff onsite and in the UAE. The anecdotes from Mark Donaldson’s The Crossroads and ex-DEVGRU operator Mark Owen in No Easy Day should leave the reader with no doubt that there was extreme (and professionally welcomed, albeit grudging at times) scrutiny of every aspect of their work.

    Ditto every Coalition SF unit involved in hunting Talib and other insurgent networks.

    It is a physical imposibility that an entire JTF could be kept ignorant of the sort of massed malfeasance MAJGEN Brereton et al is accusing SASR and CDO Operators of. If you cannot even sneeze or drop a fart on camera without having to then spend several hours justifying these actions to a TF lawyer, then massed unlawful deaths are going to be impossible to cover up, unless the entire Chain of Command chooses to look the other way or declare ignorance because there is too much for it to do already.

    Contrast this, then, with the fact that MAJGEN Brereton in para.37 of his report has effectively dropped sole responsibility for all alleged or actual criminality on the JNCOs and SNCOs running the small patrols at the sharp end. 4-5.man groups who did the shooting, and copped all the bullets, bombs and IEDs in return.

    It seems then, that the ADF has adopted the ways of the civilian APS in regards to accountability- Those at the top are untouchable, and subordinates are only ever accountable to their superiors…

  88. Zatara

    General Campbell is himself effectively exonerated in the report, which finds the post he held in 2011-12, as commander of Australia’s Middle East operations, known as Joint Taskforce 633, was too remote from the field to have a sufficient degree of command and control.

    If he didn’t exercise command, control, and most importantly responsibility, what exactly was his DSC for?

  89. Infidel Tiger

    There has been no trial and no convictions unless they are secret? Why is the government, the ADF and media talking as if this is done and dusted?

  90. Nick

    So, a Government that trained soldiers to kill and who sent them to a war zone on heavy rotation, one where guerilla warfare was rampant and complains because of ‘rules’ as that soldiers actually killed people ?

  91. theleftfootkicl

    Watch this space, recruiting will fall dramatically, I can see hovering mum and dad all concerned.

  92. theleftfootkick

    They say this inquiry is to make sure this kind of thing does not happen again, simple don’t send them to these shithole dumps to do the government dirty work.

  93. Roger

    There has been no trial and no convictions unless they are secret? Why is the government, the ADF and media talking as if this is done and dusted?

    Indeed.

    On the one hand they’ve damned any soldiers whose names become public and trashed the reputation of the SAS.

    On the other they’ve endangered the possibility of any convictions being obtained in criminal proceedings.

    And how are courts martial supposed to proceed?

    They’ve made a total cock up of this.

  94. DM OF WA

    The only crime I can see was not even mentioned in the report: the pursuit of a pointless and unwinnable war for nearly twenty years by our political elite for their own grubby reasons, primarily to please the USA. They were content to keep the whole affair out of sight and out of mind. There are soldiers serving today who were not even born when the Afghan war started. Donald Trump is the only leader who has seriously tried to end the Afghan war and even he has failed. This is Vietnam all over again. I refuse to find fault in any of the men who fought for our country.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    And will be paying compo to Afghanistan without any convictions being necessary?

    This process stinks.

  96. rickw

    General Campbell is himself effectively exonerated in the report, which finds the post he held in 2011-12, as commander of Australia’s Middle East operations, known as Joint Taskforce 633, was too remote from the field to have a sufficient degree of command and control.

    How the fuck does the commander of operations get exonerated? Too remote to have sufficient command and control over the field? Well, get your sorry fucking arse to the field.

  97. Infidel Tiger

    Watch this space, recruiting will fall dramatically, I can see hovering mum and dad all concerned

    Recruiting is only interested in meeting diversity targets.

    Fighting men stopped being the target of recruiters decades ago.

  98. rickw

    Watch this space, recruiting will fall dramatically, I can see hovering mum and dad all concerned.

    Not only might you get killed, but if you survive you might also get fucked by Government.

    THIS AUSTRALIA isn’t worth one drop of anyone’s blood.

  99. Roger

    How the fuck does the commander of operations get exonerated?

    Surely if the culture of the SAS units deployed was as poor as alleged, it was his business to know.

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Story that reached my ears, out of that shytehole, was that a group of the followers of the Prophet Mo (Pig Excrement Be Unto Him) selected one of their number to wear a suicide vest with the aim of taking out a roadblock near their village. The chosen one donned the suicide vest, and the gathered in a nearby cave, for a group hug, before the chosen one set off on his mission.

    The vest detonated prematurely, and killed all of them..

  101. Exit Stage Right

    So is the Australian Government going to compensate Hekmatullah, the cowardly Afghani who murdered three Australians in a green on blue attack at Tarin Kowt in 2012? Maybe they will call him as a witness to the Australian soldiers murder witchhunt! The prick is about to get released from jail after only 7 years. Lets pay him a few mill for his trouble.
    I am disgusted with this beat up. Fucking ABC again, now Ch7 and Ch9 running full bore sensationalist with 39 murders by 19 Australian soldiers all based on a report by a desk jockey who has never been near a battlefield. Its war you twits. There is a lot of pre-empting going on.Why persecute our own?

  102. Rex Anger

    On the one hand they’ve damned any soldiers whose names become public and trashed the reputation of the SAS.

    On the other they’ve endangered the possibility of any convictions being obtained in criminal proceedings.

    And how are courts martial supposed to proceed?

    They’ve made a total cock up of this.

    Maybe not. It just may be that enough warriors within the ADF and SOCOMD saw what was being proposed, and what Crompvoets and the Defence Dept intended to pull thru the IGDAF, that they set up their own processes to fail. So we end up with a good sliming for the SJWs to wallow in, while ensuring those they accused are highly unlikely to be tried.

    Let’s face it, everyone except the Regiment, SOCOMD, the Army and we Cats will have all forgotten about this thing come next Sunday.

    The vultures are fed.

    The SJWs got a ‘scalp.’

    The denizens of Mordor (Russell Offices in Canberrastan) are satiated.

    The Army and Ausgov look suitably virtuous.

    The Regiment is still alive.

    Things could have been worse (and could yet still).

  103. Lee

    How the fuck does the commander of operations get exonerated? Too remote to have sufficient command and control over the field?

    Remote enough to be exonerated, but not remote enough that it goes against his being awarded the DSC!
    The appalling hypocrisy really angers me.
    Yet servicemen and women are expected to serve under ADF “leaders” like him.
    More credit to them; absolutely none to the likes of Campbell.

  104. Roger

    Let’s see how it pans out, Rex.

  105. Professor Fred Lenin

    The SS guards cpmmitted war crimes and genocide, appalling !
    However Herr Himmler their commander was exonerated ?
    Is that how it works in Canberra ?
    Sir Humphrey Appleby did a good job of clearing the elites with that enquiry as you do .

  106. Albatross

    What do you reckon the Chunks make of all this, eh? Biden as President soon too. This gets much worse.

  107. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The only crime I can see was not even mentioned in the report: the pursuit of a pointless and unwinnable war for nearly twenty years by our political elite for their own grubby reasons

    Any Cats want to join me in an application to the ICC demanding they indict the following imbeciles on war crimes charges?

    HoWARd
    Ruff
    Gillard
    Abbott
    Turnbuckle
    Morristeen

    That’s just for starters. These vile cowardly Quisling shitbags need to burn.

  108. Rex Anger

    Let’s see how it pans out, Rex.

    Agreed. I struggle to accept that in the most scrutinised and micromanaged war in living history, and against the backdrop of the increasingly ‘woke’ way.of warfare.practised in the Anglophone world this decade, that the warcrimes alleged were somehow not detected, investigated and tried immediately. There would have been headlines and all manner of squawking.

    This is as much a war.of nerves between the civilian and uniformed arms of the Defence Department as it is an act of ‘Truth and Reconciliation’ and accountability by Army towards Australia.

    I am hopeful this is the bugman overreach that prompts the long overdue pushback…

  109. PoliticoNT

    Hey Rex – get in touch if you can. Sinc/Rafe have my email.

    I work at Russell. It’s worse than you think.

    Cheers

  110. Albatross

    Rex Anger
    #3664846, posted on November 19, 2020 at 7:45 pm
    […]
    I am hopeful this is the bugman overreach that prompts the long overdue pushback…

    I’ve not seen one example of this happening on any significant issue championed by our elites.

  111. 41 Australian soldiers have been killed and 261 wounded in Afghanistan. Are they paying reparations?

  112. Rex Anger

    @ PolticoNT-

    Thanks for the offer mate, but I think I’ve imagineered enough. 😬

    I think the best cure for dark and dirty deeds is sunlight. And I suspect it is soon very likely to be shone on places it was never intended to go… 😉

    @ Albatross-
    I am hopeful this is the bugman overreach that prompts the long overdue pushback…

    I’ve not seen one example of this happening on any significant issue championed by our elites.

    We just have to cross the Rubicon, mate. 😉

    Not enough people have taken what they might consider enough sufficiently kicks to the balls, to change their minds about whether their superiors really have their best interests at heart.

    Resistance is not futile, but I think people are starting to realise it does need to be more muscular than just ‘voting the bastards out…’

  113. Robber Baron

    Australia is a shithole because the dregs of society are in positions of power.

  114. Faye

    Before President Trump came into my life I knew nothing. I know now that the elite top of the pile are mostly go-getters and scumbags intertwined so deeply that it is incestuous. Nothing is out of bounds to stop-dead anything that hinders their path to more wealth and power. They live by the dollar and want to rule the world, get rid of Trump and cozy up to China to do their bidding. The EU and UN fit nicely into the package. They can be left or right but must be in the position to shower favours and demand favours.

    Up until President Trump, wars that never were won or ended kept the arms industry going and the Defence bureaucrats and the top armchair officers happy. Could they be part of the “good life” at the mug taxpayers’ expense.

  115. classical_hero

    This whole situation is very similar to what happened in the UK about the Iraq war. It was a sham from the beginning and this will turn out to be so. We must remove every single weasel out of the public service and public office.

  116. 1735099

    The dog acts (alleged at this stage) are the unlawful killing of civilians and prisoners.
    Those responsible have betrayed every man or woman who has ever served in our military.
    They are thugs, not soldiers.

  117. Herodotus

    The dog act is that you are still here, sicko.

  118. Cassie of Sydney

    Good morning racist!

  119. Albatross

    1735099
    #3665173, posted on November 20, 2020 at 7:10 am

    Piss off, we’re discussing actual soldiering here so you have nothing to add.

  120. Lee

    Those responsible have betrayed every man or woman who has ever served in our military.

    No you have.
    They way you stick the knife into our servicemen and women at every opportunity.

  121. The BigBlueCat

    I suspect this is about weakening our military elite … emasculating them if you like … so they will become as compliant as VicPol.

    Seems to me there is a General dodging and weaving here, along with a PM who has no idea what’s actually going on.

    In the end, we will all be worse for it. Our military will not be able to respond to an Islamist war ever again.

  122. WX

    Neither our politicians nor media have anything to fear from the electorate/community.
    Without that powerful motivator, what will change?

  123. Bruce

    @ BigblueCat:

    “I suspect this is about weakening our military elite … emasculating them if you like … so they will become as compliant as VicPol. ”

    This has been going on for decades. And it is system-wide, not just at the “elite” level.

    Turning the armed FORCES into occasionally-armed social workers, whilst “militarizing” the various Police “services”.

    Think it through, folks.

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