Media makes baseless claims that election fraud complaints are baseless

The mainstream media have uniformly dismissed claims about widespread voter fraud as baseless from the moment they prematurely declared Joe Biden President-elect. The claim that there is no evidence is itself totally baseless requiring that the Trump legal team irrefutably prove their case before a complaint has even been filed in court much less thoroughly tested and adjudicated.

Of course these are the same journalists and media companies that had no problem prosecuting the Russian collusion case against Trump every day for four years despite any evidence of wrong doing whatsoever. Today the mainstream media and social media companies are actively censoring the Trump legal team. The hypocrisy is so brazen it is no wonder America is deeply divided. That is a story for another day.

The basis of Trump’s claim is that mathematics and statistics show a number of anomalous results happening in this election which, while not evidence of fraud, are nonetheless red flags of possible electoral fraud, which give weight to the claims of thousands of witnesses that have produced written testimony alleging widespread illegal or non-compliant electoral activity (which I will call traditional voter / electoral fraud) bringing into question the integrity or accuracy of the election result. The Trump legal team are also asserting criminal, systemic electoral fraud relating to Dominion / Smartmatic software. Specifically, they allege Smartmatic software contains a backdoor and other design features that enable third parties to manipulate and alter the votes entered into the system, they claim whistleblowers will testify that that is what occurred in crucial precincts and states, especially those states that mysteriously stopped counting on election night, and further add that it can be demonstrated mathematically and statistically beyond a reasonable doubt. We’ll see.

While we do know the underlying basis of Trump’s claims, what we don’t know is the strength of Trump’s case. Until it is filed (much less tested in court) know one can say for sure. Given the high bar one would expect a court to set in order to override or invalidate an election result, and in the process disenfranchise millions of voters (no small thing) a degree of scepticism is entirely valid. However, to dismiss Trump legal team’s claims out of hand and censor any discussion or analysis about the merits of the claims is the sort of partisan media reporting one would expect of a third world dictatorship. It’s pretty easy to say something is baseless when you censor and forbid any examination of the claims of possible fraud being made. This is a truly dangerous political development because absent an unbiased fourth estate misinformation and disinformation spreads like wildfire on all sides, public trust in a free and fair election is seriously eroded, and society risks becoming dangerously fractured. Regardless of the outcome there are still over 70m people who voted for Trump.

The probability of Trump prevailing in a traditional fraud case in my opinion is arguably pretty low. Statistical anomalies might be suggestive of fraud but does not constitute direct evidence of fraud. Much of the direct evidence will be in the form of sworn affidavits of persons alleging to have witnessed irregular or fraudulent activity, but how much of this can be corroborated? Is a judge likely to disenfranchise tens or hundreds of thousands of voters based solely on some statistical anomalies and a few eye witnesses claiming to have seen things no one else can verify and others may dispute? For Trump to be successful in a traditional fraud case he literally has to win hundreds of small battles along the way involving a few hundred votes here, and a couple of hundred votes there, that all add up to enough votes sufficient to cast doubt about the election result. And he has to do this across multiple states. That is a pretty tall order given the margins involved. While the sheer volume of witness allegations may seem to strengthen the case of widespread fraud (and may aid in the court of public opinion if it gets reported) it also adds to the complexity and difficulty of winning and the corollary is that the more claims that are struck out the more Trump’s claims look ambit or frivolous.

Presumably this is why Trump attorney Sidney Powell is zeroing in on Smartmatic. This narrows the issues and points of contention significantly, making for a simpler case to argue and hence win, while simultaneously raising the level of fraud (or potential fraud) if proven to a threshold equal to, or in excess of current margins in each of the states in question, casting sufficient enough doubt about the results so as to trigger some kind of remedy. Moreover, because Smartmatic software is used in 30 states (or more) if it were found to be corrupted (or open to corrupt interference including possible foreign interference) in one state it could invalidate the election results everywhere it was used. This greatly simplifies the path to victory. Powell is also raising questions pertaining to the national security and foreign influence implications of Smartmatic. To say that it is a simpler case is not to say it is an easy case to win. Powell has made very big claims and will need a lot of compelling evidence to substantiate them. If her argument were to prevail it would throw America into a constitutional, political and social crisis. That said, Powell is a highly distinguished attorney, a former federal prosecutor, has been the lead attorney on over 500 appeals (including at Supreme Court) with a 70% reversal record and claims she has the evidence. This will be interesting to watch.

To dismiss all this as baseless is thus itself a fraud on the American people, designed to condition or intimidate or denigrate the public into meekly accepting the result. Trump’s case is not baseless and at a starting point asks how did a cognitively challenged 78 year old candidate, who was struggling to win his own party’s nomination, pull off the greatest turnout in history, by barely getting out of his basement to campaign, and mangling his words in front half of a dozen people standing in circles when he did. That much of the turnout was from a late surge in mail-in ballots after Election Day would would set off a red flag anywhere.

Trump’s language is overblown for sure but his claims / suspicions of electoral fraud are not unreasonable and deserve to be taken seriously. Yes they need to be fully substantiated and rigorously tested and we will know more about the strength of his case/s after it has been filed and evidence discovered. Until then claims his case is baseless is itself baseless. Moreover, given the tight timeframes and massive effort required to pull a case like this together the notion that everything would be laid out on day one is nonsense. The basis of his claim is clear, how well he can substantiate it is unclear.

If Biden won an honest election he should have nothing to fear from litigation that by his reckoning will prove the election was free and fair. Indeed Biden was being advised by Hillary Clinton not to concede in the event he lost before he had pursued his legal options. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. And if you want to assume the mantle of Leader of the Free World a good starting point is proof you won a free and fair election.

Whichever way Trump’s litigation goes it has highlighted that the US voting system is seriously broken and in chronic need of reform. For a country that routinely self proclaims to be the “world’s greatest democracy” its voting system is an embarrassment and disgrace and no amount of censorship can hide the fact.

 

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75 Responses to Media makes baseless claims that election fraud complaints are baseless

  1. eb

    Thanks for that Justy. Pretty much the way I see it.

    I have no doubt that this election was stolen, but I have little hope that it can be undone.

    I agree that the SC will be very reluctant to over turn the result, but the consequences of not doing so are also dire. If this is allowed to stand, what trust can there be in any future elections?

  2. Herodotus

    It looks and smells like fraud.
    The USA left look and smell even worse than that.

  3. stackja

    USA Constitution didn’t foresee computer generated voting. Dems have adapted their voting schemes to the computer age. USA people have to decide what they want from the future. Democracy or autocracy.

  4. H B Bear

    The court system does not work very well for highly politicised matters or during times of war. You get the feeling Lady Justice might be taking a peek.

    I suspect and fear this is one of those times.

  5. stackja

    HB Bear – Abe Lincoln and FDR made executive decisions and as remember SCOTUS didn’t disagree.

  6. flyingduk

    Powell has made very big claims and will need a lot of compelling evidence to substantiate them. If her argument were to prevail it would throw America into a constitutional, political and social crisis.

    The US is currently in the throes of a political coup… its already in a constitutional, political and social crisis. If the legal system cant fix this, its over.

  7. a happy little debunker

    Read the politifact check this morning of how false it was for an ‘facebook post’ to claim that 118 year old William Bradley votes in the 2020 election, despite dying on 1984.
    (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/05/facebook-posts/no-dead-voter-named-william-bradley-didnt-vote-det/)
    Turns out the son had the same name as the father, but not the same middle name. He says he voted and ‘threw away’ the ballot intended for his father.

    My simple question – Why the hell was his dead father sent a ballot 36 years after he died???????

  8. Name Provided

    Excellent summary. Not all US states have poor voting systems. Only those that prefer it that way.

  9. Gavin R Putland

    The machines used in the latest election leave paper trails. The machines used in the 2000 and 2004 elections did not. But of course that difference is outweighed by the fact that then it was Democrats who were complaining, whereas now it’s Republicans.

    If there is enough evidence to invalidate this election, there was enough to invalidate all past elections. But of course the case du jour is always an exception.

  10. flyingduk

    Read the politifact check this morning of how false it was for an ‘facebook post’ to claim that 118 year old William Bradley votes in the 2020 election, despite dying on 1984.

    Be aware, of course, that it is a standard tactic of the left to ‘debunk’ the easiest of a thousand claims… then to dismiss the rest as ‘that was debunked’.

  11. Karabar

    Those who have read Strauss and Howe’s “The Fourth Turning” recognise the significance of an event exactly four generations (eighty years) after the last ‘fourth turing’.
    The election of 1860 was also highly contested. The outcome was that on February 18th, 1861 Jefferson Davis was inaugurated as President of the Confederate States of America on the steps of the State Legislature in Alabama. Two weeks later Abe Lincoln was inaugurated President of the USA in Washington, D.C.
    I think we all know what followed that dual President situtation.
    The prospect of two presidents, exactly 80 years later, looms as an ominous precedent.

  12. Perfidious Albino

    The US is already in a constitutional, political and social crisis. How they respond to it will make or break that country.

  13. stackja

    Paper lost trail as Dems cover up. And MSM say nothing to see, move on.

  14. stackja

    Hayes election disputed by Dems.

  15. C.L.

    The best analysis of the situation posted at the Cat.

  16. stackja

    Karabar – Abe Lincoln tried several generals until US Grant and WT Sherman met.

  17. incoherent rambler

    At a Wisconsin/Michigan/etc ballot count, how many would duck when someone walks in and yells:

    “Say your prays cheater! Your time has come!”

  18. STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    To wit: Their SBS wallow last night on Planet America.

  19. mh

    Joe Biden Tells Voters “I Don’t Need You To Get Me Elected”

    We have machines for that!

  20. Boambee John

    I think we all know what followed that dual President situtation.
    The prospect of two presidents, exactly 80 years later, looms as an ominous precedent

    That was 160 years ago Karabar. What happened in 1940, the last 80 year gap ago?.

  21. Rorschach

    Nine of the affiants swore to have seen suspiciously pristine, uncreased mail ballots, uniformly and perfectly filled out, almost always for Biden. In one case, a batch of such ballots included 500 ballots in a row all cast for Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee.

    From a my / non-judicial perspective there are two key issues. The consequence ruling on ballots that are contested and eliminated on the basis of a minor process / technicality breach (essentially disenfranchising the voters AND / OR disenfranchising the candidates). The other is the universal integrity of the election system, (and the future confidence that the electorate / voters have in it).

    These two need to be addressed.

    And I feel that both these play into Trump’s camp.

    As we have seen, there are already proved ballots miscounted, ballots missed and ballots fraudulently submitted [link]. And the Dominion vote count “glitches” have also been admitted as errors … [link and – as in the case in the link, there are numerous other statistical inconsistencies that may well result in changing vote allocations. This is hard evidence that errors and possibly fraud have occurred and there have now been a fair few races overturned on basis of vote count errors … so while what is known may not overturn the Presidential race … these errors may overturn races down ballot.

    Because there are so many errors, the integrity of the electoral process is in question, and unless resolved now, every subsequent election will not be trusted. So this needs to be addressed and trust in the process re-introduced.

    The only real solution is a full forensic audit to identify ALL the errors and take corrective action [counting only compliant votes], and to change process or introduce preventive and detective controls ensuring that only compliant votes will be counted in future.

    And this works in Trumps favour since just about every error identified – favours him when corrected.

  22. Exit Stage Right

    Sidney Powell seems to be the key if Trump is to triumph.
    Appears to be a very smart cookie and yes, she has put her reputation on the line in the pursuit for justice.
    I eagerly await her every comment as she provides hope to us doubters that the Trumpster can prevail.
    The Dems and their cheating ways have precipitated Armageddon. These are truly end days.

  23. pbw

    Justinian points out the difficulties facing Trump and his legal team. If a prosecution team were to investigate a purported massive electoral fraud, building up a case witness by witness, each revelation building on the one before, how long would you expect it to take? How long did the Fitzgerald enquiry run? How long does Trump have? About 7 weeks. A conclusive case – assuming that such massive fraud happened – is impossible, because of the limited time available under the constitution. That is the lynch-pin of the whole putative fraud. That, along with the complete acquiescence of the media, makes such a scheme possible.

    That partisanship of the media is vital. If Biden gets control, he can rest assured that the allegations of fraud will be sent to the bottom of the harbour by the A.G. he appoints, and that the media will continue to cooperate fully. Given a partisan media, the system is appallingly corruptible. It just probably has not been done on such a scale in living memory.

    Gatestone has published an article by Alan Dershowitz about Trump’s narrow road to victory. It is a very enlightening article because it spells out the constitutional options for resolving an unresolved election; that is, one in which the legal challenges have prevented the full declaration of the polls within the December deadline.

    Note also that, if Biden get the executive branch, and the double Senate vacancy in Georgia is won by dems, the Senate will be split 50-50. In that case, the casting vote will be with the Vice-President.

    Should that happen, then the judicial branch will be wide open to complete corruption by the dems, and extra states will be added to cement dem control of the Senate. Should it then reasonably be concluded (not by the media, of course) that the election was stolen, the whole country will have been hi-jacked by fraud. Nice work.

  24. Rorschach

    What happened in 1940, the last 80 year gap ago?.

    FDR ran for and won a third term…

  25. Peter Greagg

    Thanks Justinian.
    Pretty much sumarises my thoughts.
    That the Supreme Court didn’t intervene when FDR imprisoned tens of thousands of loyal citizens post Pearl Harbour, suggests to me that the SC might not be the saviour some are hoping for.
    On the other hand, Trump did declare a State of Emergency regarding foreign interference in US voting, so we haven’t yet seen what that provides.

  26. Glynn

    Fraud in the 2020 US election is huge. Follow Lin Wood twitter in Georgia and of course, Sidney Powell twitter. Lin Wood said he believes Trump won in a landslide with 400 electoral college votes in 50 states. The Gateway Pundit has also uncovered heaps. Trump’s 2018 comprehensive Executive Order about foreign interference etc in US elections should do the job. Guilani on Lou Dobbs said that mail-in votes were counted in Spain and Germany.

  27. Ben

    Dead people voting and other physical evidence of electoral fraud is just the entree for the systematic digital manipulation that went on (if it did).

    The small stuff might overturn a few down-ballot results and result in some prosecutions, and expose some of the shortcomings of the US voting system, which is good, but it’s been the same thing for years.

    Wide-scale digital manipulation is an entirely different thing – if proven I expect those voting companies will be shut down, and the voting system to be completely changed.

  28. Boambee John

    Rorschach
    #3664561, posted on November 19, 2020 at 2:37 pm
    What happened in 1940, the last 80 year gap ago?.

    FDR ran for and won a third term…

    OK, but is that on the same scale as 1860 and 2020?

  29. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Biden is a career corruptocrat and must be jailed. The rule of law has been trashed and must be reinstated impartially and fairly, without fear or favour.

    The guilty must pay the price for such a hideous crime against the people and the Republic.

  30. stevem

    Biden is a career corruptocrat and must be jailed.

    The Democrats don’t care anymore. If Biden gets locked up Harris gets appointed and the US ends up with someone like Sanders as VP. Many on the left will actually be overjoyed at the prospect.

  31. EllenG

    This article says the trump evidence is an analysis. Then it says we don’t know what the evidence is. Plus of course there is no actual evidence submitted to an actual court that might actually decide. WTF?

  32. Judge Dredd

    A coup supported by the media, the technocracy and the elite.
    Know the wicked when you see them, this is the great awakening and there’s no going back.

  33. Indolent

    The Democrats don’t care anymore. If Biden gets locked up Harris gets appointed and the US ends up with someone like Sanders as VP. Many on the left will actually be overjoyed at the prospect.

    No. If widespread fraud is proven then the perpetrator (or beneficiary) is disqualified and the candidate with the next highest number of electoral votes (without the usual hurdle of 270) becomes President. There is actually a precedent for this in the 1800s.

  34. Mater

    This is a truly dangerous political development because absent an unbiased fourth estate misinformation and disinformation spreads like wildfire on all sides, public trust in a free and fair election is seriously eroded, and society risks becoming dangerously fractured.

    Exactly.

    Any Democrat who opposes an open and honest review of the electoral result, hates Trump more than they love their country.

  35. Chris M

    Trump’s language is overblown for sure

    No, not ‘overblown for sure’ this time. There is massive evidence coming out and on many different fronts including Democrat ballot centre worker witnesses. And these relate not just to handfuls of votes from the dead but they’ve witnessed issues with hundreds and often multi-thousands.

    Many times what Trump tweets may appear initially to be be a bit out there (Obama wire tapped me) until it actual pans out to be true. As he says, never bet against the Donald. That said the deep state is massive and his fight this time is immense.

  36. Rorschach

    No. If widespread fraud is proven then the perpetrator (or beneficiary) is disqualified and the candidate with the next highest number of electoral votes (without the usual hurdle of 270) becomes President. There is actually a precedent for this in the 1800s.

    So what if the beneficiary of the fraud didn’t actually do it – or even didn’t know about it?

  37. Professor Fred Lenin

    If definate evidence is presented to the SC ,arent they duty bound to declare the election null and void ,in ordere to uphold the spirit of the Constitution as it was written . Mass fraud like this negates the vote totally ,no ones vote is worth anything ,whether they voted democrim or republican .
    The persons responslble for the fraud top to bottom ,should h]feel tha full weight of the law and be sent to prison for years “pour encourager les autres ” . This includes biden and harris who must have known the crkime was going to be cpmmitted that why they hard;y bothered campaigning .
    The left are so obvious in their criminality ,they are too stupid or arrogant to cover their criminal acts .

  38. Chris M

    When the do get to the bottom of this thousands of people need to be incarcerated to send a very strong message for all elections going forward. At the moment they seem brazen and to not fear any penalties.

    We have gotten so soft, up until recent years the perpetrators of a coup would be executed. If the Democrats wish to use South American junta tactics probably the penalties should be from the same region.

  39. Leo G

    What happened in 1940, the last 80 year gap ago?.

    FDR ran for and won a third term…

    Not to mention the choreographed public appearances of the media’s favourite- intentionally deceiving voters about fitness-for-office. FDR with GB Syndrome and polyneuropathy, Biden with cognitive decline and episodic disinhibited behaviour including admissions of criminal conduct.

  40. Richard

    Well argued.

    I only came across this site as I have turned away 100% from MSM. My mental stability was at risk as I kept watching/reading things that didn’t make sense. I always knew the MSM was biased but when they try to gaslight us while we have been staring straight at the lantern, it screws with your head.

    And it is refreshing that the opinion here is well-argued, rather than what we have become accustomed to with the MSM parroting of stories from the AP after it has been through the filter of a 20 something’s liberal arts education.

  41. Indolent

    The SCOTUS ruled in a landmark case UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON (98 US 61 – Supreme Court 1878) that “fraud vitiates everything”.[1]

    KEY POINT: By categorically asserting that “fraud vitiates everything”, the SCOTUS affirms that perpetrating fraud undermines the entire endeavor, the whole contract, the complete judgment, the final result … or the election outcome, etc. Once the fraud is proven, the enterprise in its entirety, such as a POTUS candidacy or campaign, has been irreparably tainted and any result is invalidated. In order words, if it was only the Michigan vote was stolen by Team Biden, their victory would still have been nullified since “fraud vitiates everything”. (“Vitiates” in this legal context means negates, quashes, annuls, invalidates, revokes and abrogates) See: Let’s be very clear about the 2020 election outcome: “FRAUD VITIATES EVERYTHING”.

  42. Boambee John

    So what if the beneficiary of the fraud didn’t actually do it – or even didn’t know about it?

    He already announced to a group of voters that he didn’t need them to vote for him. Then there was the claim of a magnificent fraud machine.

    He might beg that he was just confused, but then the 25th Amendment comes into play.

  43. pbw

    And now for something somewhat related…

    As all here know, Fauci told Biden about the Pfizer vaccine tests before be bothered to tell the President.

    On Spectator TV’s This Week in 60 Minutes (12th Nov), Fraser Nelson is talking about The Vaccine. At around 1:06:04 he says,

    When Pfizer made this announcement, it was way further down the road than the market had expected. They thought they would get back to us when there were 30 symptomatic cases amongst the people who hadn’t vaccinated properly. It turns out there were 90.

    Surprise, surprise.

  44. Rex Anger

    Welcome Richard.

    The Cat is a marvellously robust place, so like the old Wild West saloons, make sure you have a good throwing arm on you, and know how to duck. 😉

    (Seriously, glasses fly everywhere in this site…)

  45. Shane

    Justy, just like yr avatar who was famous for not only facing down a very similar insurrection, [ the other candidate for emperor had already been acclaimed & crowned if I recall ] but also especially for his system of laws, it is starting to look like Trump, not just the DS, has been wargaming this precise scenario for at least 2 years & its starting to look like he has created a legal strategy from way back then to do so.
    He has set up a situation via Executive Orders which has given him unparalleled legal tools to deal with any foreign interference,…so the trigger appears to be not so much the actions of American citizens caught up in this caper but rather the foreigners’ actions which give him the power to intervene…. thus the repeated mention of China, Cuba, Venezula & dare we mention Canada etc
    [ & Just think about those foreign-owned servers counting the votes in Germany & Spain which are now apparently in his legal teams’ forensic custody since last weekend…
    So back in 2018, using the supposed Russian interference in the 2016 election as justification, the first one was an “Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election”, in whose beginning states: “as illustrated in the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment…I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with this threat”.
    The staggering implication of which means the 2020 Presidential Election is the first in American history to have been designated as a national emergency—and is a national emergency election whose final determination of, is contained in the words:
    “Not later than 45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election…The assessment shall identify, to the maximum extent ascertainable, the nature of any foreign interference and any methods employed to execute it, the persons involved, and the foreign government or governments that authorized, directed, sponsored, or supported it…
    [So this] ”Election Took Place Under A Trump-Declared ‘National Emergency. That Set An Election Day Trap For The ‘Unauthorized Accessing Of Election And Campaign Infrastructure’”.
    The emergency declaration is as follows………..“On May 20, 2020, President Donald J. Trump issued a Notice to Congress: “… in accordance with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency with respect to the stabilization of Iraq declared in Executive Order 13303”—the consequence of which means that President Trump placed the United States in a state of war for a period existing from 20 May 2020 to 20 May 2021.

    [So a ] now existing state of war that gives President Trump extraordinary powers under the little known legal doctrine called the “Emergency Constitution”—one of whose most fearful provisions of is “The Suspension Clause”, that President Trump can use to imprison anyone found to be a threat to America and its survival—are unlimited wartime powers conferred upon any President of the United States by the United States Supreme Court…”

    It really sounds like game over if Trump is just willing to pull the trigger & the Supreme Court hasn’t been turned…which is still to be determined as unfortunately as most of us realised a while back that its a given that no one is allowed to get into a position of high authority/power unless they can be blackmailed, so we shall see shortly…
    its sort of a giddy feeling realising how all of the talking lefty talking heads both here & in the US that pass as opinion-makers seem so ignorant of the awesome reserve powers of a sitting US president

  46. Rob

    It seems appropriate that dead people voted for Biden, he almost looks like one of them.

  47. Zatara

    Given the high bar one would expect a court to set in order to override or invalidate an election result, and in the process disenfranchise millions of voters (no small thing) a degree of scepticism is entirely valid.

    There is no legitimate election result. The Dem cheating machine has ensured that.

    Interestingly, you mention the disenfranchisement of voters twice in your observations, both times in reference to impeding legal actions to be taken against fraud. What is odd is that you, like many, don’t seem to recognize that as the situation stands today a massive amount of legitimate votes made in support of Trump the fraudulently created electronic vote counts and fraudulent mail-in ballots have unquestionably disenfranchised . Or don’t they deserve protecting as well?

    If the Democrats wanted to protect the sanctity of their supporters’ votes they shouldn’t have screwed with the system. Their voters have nobody to blame but the Party.

  48. Craig Sargent

    Impossible statistical results are strong direct evidence of fraud… not just suggestive. Things are so far out of normal that fraud is in fact the only reasonable explanation.

  49. Rorschach

    Hi Shane,

    On Oct 21, John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, and Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, held a joint national press conferences where they stated that both Russia and Iran were interfering with the Presidential Election. Neither Ratcliffe nor Wray took questions from reporters. And there has really been no other news on this.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-21/u-s-says-iran-russia-have-attempted-to-interfere-in-election-kgk1nad5

    That is when [I reckon] the provisions of the 2018 Executive Order were crystallised. And the clock started.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

    So a report must be produced 45 days from then (if not earlier): And this is 5 December. Which just happens to be a week or so before the date [2nd Mon in December] when State ECs votes to ratify the state electors. Maybe not a coincidence.

    EC vote on 14th Dec (2nd Monday in December, IIRC)

  50. Gore did not conceed to Bush until December 13th – it was decided in the Courts.
    Despite what Twitter, Facebook and MSM say – the 2020 election aint over by a long way.
    Liberals believe that Biden got 10 million more votes than Obama did in 2008 – not possible.
    Trump got 11 million more votes than he did in 2016 and yet he lost – also not possible.
    Obviously the USA 2020 election results are very very wrong.
    In Biden’s 79 Million total votes, how many were postal votes??
    In Trump’s 73 Million total votes, how many were postal votes??
    That is what we want to know! That will tell us everything!!

  51. Fang

    And if Trump wins the Mob will go berserk, and then attempts on Trumps life will escalate million fold!😪
    If Biden gets though, the USA will fracture and no one will trust anyone ever again!

  52. Catfeesh?

    I don’t think it will matter much if the mob go berserk. Trumpy will be much more forceful in squashing unlawful behaviour from the montinfants. After all, he can’t be elected again after his next term and there will be several years before another election for people to focus on other things, like their improved remuneration, freedom etcetera so it wouldn’t affect the next Republican candidate anyway.

  53. Bob

    The most interesting and overlooked fact is this item of damning circumstantial evidence:
    no candidate in any Western election has ever won without campaigning in person to as many people as possible. Not one.
    Biden barely left his basement. Why do you think that was?
    He already knew it had been won, that the fix was in, that the machines were hacked. Thus he didn’t need to bother campaigning.
    He knew. They all did.

  54. FelixKruell

    While we do know the underlying basis of Trump’s claims, what we don’t know is the strength of Trump’s case. Until it is filed (much less tested in court) know one can say for sure.

    I don’t think we need wait that long. We only need look at the dozen previous cases Trump has filed, and had thrown out, for lack of a coherent claim, or evidence. Why would this one be any different?

  55. Kneel

    Interesting…

    “All but one county that had chosen every presidential winner since 1980 went for President Trump this year; Washington state’s Clallam County is the lone survivor”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bellwether-counties-nearly-wiped-out-by-2020-election-11605272400

  56. JC

    I don’t think we need wait that long. We only need look at the dozen previous cases Trump has filed, and had thrown out, for lack of a coherent claim, or evidence. Why would this one be any different?

    Oh yea, that evidence thingi.

    7/0 high court, but still doesn’t mean he’s innocent.

  57. Kneel

    “…the voting system to be completely changed.”

    Difficult to do given the constitutional arrangements which mandate the states to individually decide the manner of the election – can you imagine CA and TX both agreeing to any standard? Why should FL change, when it’s actually a model for how things could be over there?

  58. Kneel

    “Many times what Trump tweets may appear initially to be be a bit out there (Obama wire tapped me) until it actual pans out to be true.”

    Trump is the great disrupter – what makes anyone think he’s going to stop being that?
    And that the election is as close as it is suggests that certainly a plurality want 4 more years of swamp disruption. Sounds familiar somehow… and desirable, for that matter.

  59. Zatara

    “…the voting system to be completely changed.”

    Actually, not that difficult. Especially if change is driven by the Courts as may well happen.

    The Federal Govt could take the position that while they could care less how a State elects their governors or dog catchers, elections for Federal Positions would have to be conducted to certain standards.

    Those standards could and should include requirements for voter roll purging, American citizenship required, govt issued picture ID, no day of voting registration, no mass mail-out of ballots, no ballot harvesting, strict deadlines for turning in absentee ballots, strict deadlines for counting and reporting results, etc. All common-sense requirements but ones the Dems have been diluting since at least the 1960s in the guise of ‘voter access’ and fighting against ‘voter suppression’.

    Florida has indeed largely fixed its voting system, mostly by firing two very crooked Dem County Voting Supervisors in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade, but also by common sense steps like early counting of absentee ballots. It is in fact a good model to base a national Federal Voting System on.

  60. PB

    It is called “editorialising the lede”. It is a kind of psychological crowd-management technique of the kind modern media excels at. The Mainstream media is our enemy and its participants should be treated as enemies.

  61. maree

    Shades been lifted from the public gaze with the US vote fraud. Time for people to take the demos back into our hands, rather than trusting the elites to protect it.

  62. maree

    President Trump should not vacate the White House yet. Russia tried this same fraud in 1992 against Boris Yeltsin, and their army turned out to protect him. Now they have Vladimir. Back to the future.

  63. maree

    The Dixie Chicks must be sorrowing that they wrote and released “Everybody Knows,” especially Uber left Natalie Maines, as this could be the US Republican Party’s new anthem.

  64. The two election monitors who refused to certify the Wayne County results (most of Detroit and suburbs), were then threatened into certifying but since have rescinded the certification, did it because dozens and dozens of Detroit precincts had thousands of mail in votes against ZERO registered voters.
    The total number is over 173,000.

    All other precincts reported the numbers of votes, the numbers of registered voters and the % turnout.
    However in those Detroit precincts, 173,000+ votes (97% Biden, 3% Trump) were counted against ZERO registered voters. That’s a turnout of infinite.
    All a court needs to do is throw out those 173k+ votes and Trump wins Michigan.

    If the courts also go with Justice Alito and invalidate the hundreds of thousands of votes that came in after election day in Pennsylvania, Trump wins Pennsylvania and the general election.

    It’s not as complicated as it seems. It’s difficult, but not complicated.

  65. Gavin R Putland

    Rudy forgot to mention the Lizard People. But he remembered to implicate George Soros. (Was that a screwed-the-pooch look on Ellis’s face?) And of course he remembered to dye what’s left of his hair, just in case he bumped into a 24-year-old actress.

  66. Gavin R Putland

    Baa Humbug @ #3665398:

    Precincts without registered voters? Interesting concept.

  67. Gavin R Putland

    Oh, all right, I admit it: I didn’t sit through the whole conference. So I can’t be absolutely certain that Rudy didn’t mention the Lizard People at some point. (There, that feels better.)

  68. Rob

    The reality that such a wide spread of prominent captains of industry, members of the Fourth Estate (that vital but now disintegrating ultimate protector of democracy) educators, and members of the legal fraternity, are all part of the massive anti- Trump pile on, must surely disturb anybody willing to contemplate America’s future.

  69. Gavin R Putland

    “… So that’s a long way of saying we took Sidney Powell seriously with no intention of fighting with her. We’ve always respected her work, we simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sydney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention.

    But she never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of polite requests. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her. When we checked with others around the Trump campaign, people in positions of authority, they also told us Powell had never given them any evidence to prove anything she claimed today at the press conference.

    Powell did say that electronic voting is dangerous, and she’s right, but she never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another. Not one.”

    Tucker Carlson.

  70. grazza

    Sadly for those into the baseless conspiracy theories, anywhere in the world, even Guiliani appears to be struggling with producing any evidence at all. Trump, of course, is not worried about evidence or truth but thinks that twittering wild baseless claims will change the reality. Fumigating him and his gargoyles out of the White House is not a bad metaphor. Actually, Biden should have let him win so that he could reap the chaotic whirlwind over the next 4 years. America in sad decline. Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

  71. Old Woman of the North

    Has no one seen the video of Biden boasting that the Democrats have created the perfect voter fraud scheme?

    Just as he boasted about the way he corrupted the Ukraine government by refusing to give them a billion dollars of aid unless they sacked an honest attorney general.

  72. Kneel

    “Actually, not that difficult. Especially if change is driven by the Courts as may well happen.”

    SCOTUS rulings may indeed drive change, but I suspect getting a uniform federal system in place is going to be very difficult, and likely a practical impossibility. Alas I believe this is true even to extent of the reasonable limitations you propose.
    I suspect the best we can expect would be for SCOTUS to rule in such a way that such things as voter ID and a paper based system with full audit trail will be implemented to avoid such issues, but they won’t be consistent between states – some states will stand on their right to decide how to run these things purely on principle, and because there is still a great deal of distrust between various extremes – Nth vs Sth, East vs West, Dem vs Repub, city vs rural, rich vs poor, are still all very real divides in the US, and will continue to be if for no other reason than the political class there is still in “us good vs them bad” mode and the left at least seems intent on keeping it that way.
    I hope for their sake as well as ours that it doesn’t devolve into civil war, but fear it may be too late to stop – both sides seem intent on standing their ground. One hopeful sign is the two sitting Dems who have left the party for a more moderate position. If several more do the same, it may show a way out without guns, but it seems a slim chance to me – and given the sales of guns and ammo, and the exodus of those with resources from the cities, it seems many over there are worried too. Hopefully, that’s just “prepare for the worst”…

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