Open Forum: November 21, 2020

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  1. dopey

    Ballarat race 1. Jane’s Pick of the Yard salutes at 9/1. A good judge of a horse.

  2. Boambee John

    LL at 1221

    No! Actually, Hell no!

  3. Mater

    i believe that in Vic (maybe incorrectly) that for a foreign student to drive here all you need is your licence issued in whichever shithole you;re from and an english translation and do a computerised ‘hazards test’.

    More Catallaxy bullshit.
    These are the only countries recognised for this type of conversion in Victoria –

    From VicRoads:

    You can drive using your overseas licence or overseas learner permit to drive in Victoria. It’s important to remember that all the road rules and laws apply to you.

    You should also keep in mind that:

    Your overseas licence needs to be current and valid
    If your overseas licence is in a language other than English, you’ll also need to carry an English translation or international driving permit whenever you drive.

  4. H B Bear

    If you want solitude just go down town Perth after 9pm.

    But I’m in bed.

  5. May be so but the rest of them did it with bravery

    You were there, looking over my shoulder, were you Megan?

  6. Mater

    You were there, looking over my shoulder, were you Megan?

    I imagine it would have been hard to keep up with that sprint to the Q Store.

  7. Mater

    What’s a TAOR, Bob?

    You use the term often, please enlighten us.

  8. Cassie of Sydney

    Toowoomba Covid update, whilst the racist is getting off on Covid deaths in the US and he seems to be particularly excited that President Trump’s son now has Covid, normal people get their morning excitement from other activities….but not our resident scumbag.

    Here’s the Toowoomba tally…courtesy of Shy Ted.

    Daily dose of Covid – 19.
    Toowoomba –
    Total dead – 0 (damn)
    Brain dead – 1
    Morally dead – 1

    We live in hope. One day….one day.

  9. Cassie of Sydney

    “You were there, looking over my shoulder, were you Megan?”

    You’d know all about that…you’ve spent your life hiding behind other people’s backs.

  10. Mater

    Bob,
    Was Custer conducting a TAOR when he was killed at the Alamo?

  11. EvilElvis

    If you want solitude just go down town Perth after 9pm.

    You’re not wrong there, woolfe.

    Haha, yet to see a caravan park with ‘solitude’ on the sign. Get off the beaten track, those big vans can only get towed so many places.

  12. Nick

    Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War. What did you know, Bob?

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mark MacGowan, in the “West Australian”, photographed next to a map of Western Australia, with the slogan “Always was, always will be.” Good one, Sneakers!

  14. Mater

    Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War. What did you know, Bob?

    It’s long been understood that conducting TAORs, without proper precautions and oversight, is contrary to the International Laws of Armed Conflict.
    Bob should tread carefully.

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘You were there, looking over my shoulder, were you Megan?’

    You’ve described your cowardice in excruciating detail for quite some time. Nobody needs to read your bargain bin tear-soaked self-published victim scrawlings because you’ve reposted the lot time and again.

    These are your own words people are justifiably reacting to.

    You had a chance to be a man once, and squibbed it. Posting revisionist narratives won’t change that.

  16. zyconoclast

    Smugglers posing as fake families enslave children into forced labor

    They are known simply as Victim A and Victim B in court documents.

    Both are girls. One was about 16 and the other about 10 when they were smuggled early last year from Guatemala to the U.S. Government authorities said a man and a woman used the girls to pretend to be families.

    For the adults, that subterfuge earned them a pass into the U.S. For the girls, it meant abuse.

    The younger girl was ordered to sweep the floors and feed and change a newborn. She was beaten with a belt and a phone charging cord when she didn’t obey. The older girl told police that she was forced to work as a roofer and then in a factory, becoming the sole provider while the fake “parents” took it easy.

    The man who posed as her father, Santos Ac-Salazar, has pleaded guilty in an Illinois court to a child abuse charge. His partner, Olga Choc-Laj, is slated to go on trial soon in Kane County. They also face federal forced-labor charges.

  17. one old bruce

    This wrestling match sure beats watching the same old movies on TV.

  18. thefrollickingmole

    Irritated privates again.
    Bellowing and trumpeting its virtue like the last of the Brontosaurus as it sinks into the moral tar pit of its own degradation.

    A lifetime spent trying to ignore its moral failing 50+ years ago.

  19. Johno

    Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War.

    Already been done by one James Cairns. He loved nothing more than defaming veterans. I was present at two of the “massacres” and war crimes that he “exposed”. He quoted NVA sources and chose to believe them instead of his own countrymen. Bit like Brereton .

  20. one old bruce

    But human trafficking is a terrible thing and there is so much of it in the wider world your heart just breaks. Another horror story Zyconoclast, just like thousands of others for sure.

  21. Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War.

    Too late.
    Menzies, Holt , McEwan, Gorton and McMahon are all dead.

  22. one old bruce

    So you were just following orders?

    Sorry folks but the guy just leaves himself wide open. Can’t imagine he’d have been much good as backup cover.

  23. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War

    They’ll be investigating the massacre of several thousand South Vietnamese civilians, following the fall of Hue, during the 1968 Tet offensive then?

  24. thefrollickingmole

    But human trafficking is a terrible thing and there is so much of it in the wider world your heart just breaks.

    Another Ive mentioned before, short version.

    Bloke gets smuggled in from Syria, paid for with money borrowed from some unpleasant people.
    Get rejected, awaiting appeal, will be 6+ months before that happens.
    We start getting phone calls from his wife (in Syria), after a while he stops taking the calls, we still get her calling trying to get through, quite desperate.
    Turns out the people had his family as collateral on the loan and were pimping his wife/kids etc to pressure him to pay/ pay off the loan.
    He then applied to drop his claim and return to Syria.
    The Syrian government refused.
    He went mad and died in hospital.

    The end.

  25. Struth

    “If the agenda in a country is constantly changing, sometimes even hourly, you must know that you are governed by ignorant and incompetent! And perhaps worse, you are run by traitors who only serve foreign country interests!”
    ― Mehmet Murat ildan

  26. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3666601, posted on November 21, 2020 at 12:52 pm

    Can’t be long before they investigate wrongdoing during the Vietnam War.

    Too late.
    Menzies, Holt , McEwan, Gorton and McMahon are all dead.

    McEwan served as PM for a week, effectively as caretaker after Holt went for “the swim which needeth no towel” (h/t Bill Bryson).
    The withdrawal commenced under Gorton and continued under McMahon.
    If your criteria is that someone was the encumbent in the Lodge whilst troops were deployed in Vietman, then there is a name missing from your list – E G Whitlam.

  27. zyconoclast

    Gang of transgender women drop-kicked then stamped on 19-year-old man in Tube attack after he told them they needed to have female genitalia to be women

    A gang of drunken transgender women who stamped on a teenager outside a Tube station have walked free from court.

    Tamsin Lush, 29, Tylah Jo Bryan and Amarnih Lewis-Daniel, both 24, set upon the 19-year-old after he told them they needed female genitalia to be women.

    Lush ‘drop-kicked’ the victim, named only as Al Shaheeb, and Hannah Bryan, 24, a mother-of-four and a friend of the transgender women, joined in as they booted the teenager.

    Jacinta Stringer, prosecuting, said the victim did not give a statement to police or cooperate after the attack.

    She said he had also racially abused Hannah Bryan, calling her a ‘black c***’ during the incident at 2.15am on June 24, 2018.

  28. Des Deskperson

    ‘I’m intrigued by how many imports end up in some level of PS employment.’

    Citizenship is required for engagement in the APS, unless an agency head has decided that the engagement of a non-citizen is ‘appropriate’, based on ‘the specific circumstances of the engagement’ e.g, the position was vital and no citizen could be found that had the requited skills/qualifications.

    Normally, no non-citizen could be engaged for any job that required a security clearance. Any non-citizen who was engaged by the APS would need the required work permits.

    I can find no figures on the percentage of non-citizens in the APS.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Does Blair really believe this? I thought he was one of the smarter Aussie journos. Maybe word has gone down from on high.

    Hmm. Cassie, Hairy has just purchased a sub to the Telegraph and will leave The Australian to me.
    Now Tim Blair seems to have feet of clay too re the US elections saying the voters have done well.

    Just another disappointment, so I have been relaxing reading the Rich List re Property holdings, a full-colour supplement in The Oz. Very high end property is now red hot. Sounds to me like putting money into a safe haven in expectation of financially troubled times. Lots of ‘architectural’ beach-type housing for a ‘casual minimalist lifestyle’ at over $30 million and a few smarter decors with architecture more to my taste, although these properties are well out of our league. Vaucluse with seems to be holding up well and I’m not arguing.

    Being spurred on in fact to redecorate our bedroom. Stunning views in bed with Attapus on board.
    Bliss factor high.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The withdrawal commenced under Gorton and continued under McMahon.

    The withdrawal was largely completed under McMahon – by the time His Imperial Majesty was elected , there were about 130 troops remaining, of the several thousands serving at the height of Australian involvement in the war.

  31. Ed Case

    ***Like importing cleaners etc the ones who pay the price are the lowest educated and least clever, they can’t get pay rises when someone from the sub continent will work for half pay in cash.***
    From what i’ve seen in Brisbane ov er the last 20 years, all the Hi Rise cleaners are South American.
    They get here on Student visas/humanitarian grounds and go to work.
    I’d be surprised if there was any cash-in-hand payments, because why?
    The deal is that the Feds subsidise the employers to take these people on, that’s how Aussies get priced out of cleaning jobs, plus nepotism.
    Tilers, painters, gyprockers, they’re brought over from Asia on contract, and paid off in Asia, less subs on wages while in Australia.
    Should be illegal, but while everyone at the top is getting paid off, who gives a fuck about mouth breathers at the bottom of the garbage pile?

  32. Nick

    ‘I’m intrigued by how many imports end up in some level of PS employment.’

    Same. It’s even in weird jobs like prison guards and court officials. The post office is long gone.

  33. Arky

    Ten minutes of relaxing with the goldfish. Tank cleaned, fish happy:
    ..


  34. bespoke

    Full show up, and behave KD it’s Glenn Reynolds wife. 😁

  35. rickw

    Ten minutes of relaxing with the goldfish. Tank cleaned, fish happy:

    How did your missus cook them when you were done filming?

  36. P

    Lin Wood
    @LLinWood
    ·
    34m
    Just off phone with Kyle. With tears in my eyes, I listened as he expressed thanks to The People for your prayers, donations & support.

    He prayed every day & night & said God lifted him up every time he fell.
    Kyle is a hero.
    So are his supporters.
    Keep him in your prayers.

    ——————————
    Lin Wood
    @LLinWood
    ·
    1h
    FREE AT LAST!!!

    See photo – https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1329966680991264769

  37. Arky

    How did your missus cook them when you were done filming?

    ..
    Those are treasured family pets.
    After surviving in the rain barrel for years with no attention, they have earned their new luxury accommodation.

  38. EvilElvis

    How did your missus cook them when you were done filming?

    Many, many fillets.

  39. Arky

    I have plans for them once they get bigger.
    I’m going to train them to kill possums.

  40. Roger

    Macron Red Pilled!

    The Swedish Interior Minister has made a similar statement, Rick.

    Seems some W. European liberals, at least, are grappling with the paradox of tolerance.

  41. miltonf

    Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) announced Friday that he will certify the Peach State’s election results, cementing former Vice President Joe Biden as the winner in the state.

    RINO deadshit

  42. EvilElvis

    Arky, you could go full ‘pimp my ride’ and fish tank the back window of the model A.

  43. Ed Case

    On the question of how soon will Biden attack Iran, Carlton Meyer on UR says that since US troops are spread far and wide in Iraq and Afghanistan, Trump could bring some troops home, consolidate the rest in fortified bases, and then attack Iran, all before 1/21/21: https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Carlton+Meyer

  44. Arky

    fish tank the back window of the model A.

    ..
    If only I could think of a way to include the fish in the .303 vid.

  45. Maj

    Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse reveals he used COVID stimulus check to buy the AR-15 rifle he used to shoot two protesters dead after being furloughed from YMCA

    The 17-year-old charged in the fatal shooting of two men during a protest in Wisconsin has spoken out in a jailhouse interview.

    ‘I feel I had to protect myself,’ Kyle Rittenhouse told the Washington Post in an interview published on Thursday. ‘I would have died that night if I didn’t.’

    Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, is also charged in the wounding of a third person on August 25 in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during a demonstration to protest the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a black man.

    He told the Post that he had purchased the AR-15-style gun with money from a government stimulus check, using a friend to make the purchase because he is too young to buy a firearm.

    The money came through after he had been furloughed from his job as a YMCA lifeguard due to the coronavirus pandemic, Rittenhouse said.

    Rittenhouse said the stimulus check amounted to $1,200. Rifles of the type he bought retail anywhere from $700 to $2,000.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8967047/Kenosha-shooter-Kyle-Rittenhouse-claims-self-defense-jailhouse-interview.html

    Nancy Pelosi paid for Kyle Rittenhouse’s gun.

    If Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer, does that mean Nancy Pelosi is an accessory to murder?

  46. thefrollickingmole

    Trump could bring some troops home, consolidate the rest in fortified bases, and then attack Iran, all before 1/21/21:

    Put down the bath salts and stop huffing jenkim.

  47. P

    You Are Not Alone…
    Posted on November 20, 2020 by sundance

    A man from Georgia called-in to Rush Limbaugh today… we can all relate. LISTEN:

  48. rickw

    More of your taxes paying for the destruction of society:

  49. zyconoclast

    How long before this bloke is elevated to sainthood?

    Justice Dept. Executes Man for 1994 Kidnapping and Murder

    WASHINGTON — The Justice Department executed Orlando Cordia Hall on late Thursday for his role in the 1994 kidnapping and killing of a 16-year-old girl, after the Supreme Court cleared the way earlier in the night.

    Execution Scheduled for Federal Death Row Inmate Convicted of Murdering a Ch1ld
    In September 1994, Hall and several accomplices ran a marijuana trafficking operation out of Pine Bluff, Arkansas. After a failed drug transaction involving $4,700, Hall and his accomplices went to the Arlington, Texas, home of a man they believed had reneged on the deal. The man’s 16-year-old sister, Lisa Rene, answered the door. Although she was simply an innocent bystander, Hall and his accomplices kidnapped her at gunpoint, and Hall [email protected] her in the car. Hall’s accomplices subsequently drove her to a motel in Arkansas, where they [email protected] her several more times. Hall and his accomplices then took her to a park where they had dug a grave. There, they beat her over the head with a shovel, soaked her with gasoline, and buried her alive.

  50. 1735099

    If your criteria

    My criteria was the individuals who were part of the decision to commit conscripts in peacetime to a war of insurgency on foreign soil, the only time in our history when this has occurred.
    Whitlam had no part of that decision, which cost around 500 Australians killed, and thousands wounded, maimed, poisoned and traumatised.
    His predecessor, Arthur Calwell made a speech in reply to the commitment which is noted for its uncanny and accurate prediction of the outcome.
    Google it, and note how prescient he was.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘who gives a fuck about mouth breathers at the bottom of the garbage pile?’

    Speaking of.

    Hi Ed.

  52. rickw

    A man from Georgia called-in to Rush Limbaugh today… we can all relate. LISTEN:

    Yep, MAGA is a third and completely new party of Patriots.

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘decision to commit conscripts in peacetime’

    But what about you?

    You didn’t have to go, y’know.

  54. thefrollickingmole

    Montys ideal future for “reeducating” nazis.. (anyone to the right of Che)

    https://imgur.com/7tYUfoE

  55. calli

    Yep, MAGA is a third and completely new party of Patriots.

    Won’t matter.

    If the elections are rigged, the power can simply ricochet between the two ruling elites.

  56. calli

    Yes, very cute. Is that to slip into your sock garter? 😀

  57. C.L.

    Is News Corp actively trying to destroy Tim Blair’s blog?

    WTF is that new design trying to accomplish?

  58. Boambee John

    ‘I’m intrigued by how many imports end up in some level of PS employment.’

    I suspect that airport security is essentially private contractors now.

  59. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ten minutes of relaxing with the goldfish. Tank cleaned, fish happy:

    *sigh*

    Takes me back to the days of fish tanks and children. We even had a little turtle for a while.
    As Saturday is a home news day on the Cat, I advise that we have allowed Attapuss out of total house lockdown and onto the back verandah again, as he was getting so plaintive mewling sadly at us behind the glass doors leading out, but he is barred by well-pulled over furniture from going onto the terrace where the birdies get fed. So he’s out there on the verandah outside our bedroom enjoying himself and being a very good cat sitting quietly beside Hairy who is reading. Mum Currawong arrives, spots Attapuss immediately with her beady yellow eye, makes a dive bomb towards her vision of blazing cat fur and shoos him back inside again. This is what it is like when you lose territory to a more deadly force, I say to Hairy. Poor Attapuss has joined me in the study, subdued, locked down by attack birds at front door and back. When we renovate out the back in February you can have free run once again with all birdies discouraged and become a lion in your own mind once more, I say in consoling tones. Meanwhile, never mind.

    We all have to do a lot of never minding these days, what with Covid and Climate Change and the US election all causing chaos for those who remember life that was once as good as it could be.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    I have discovered that it is possible to water bouganvilleas in pots with a karcher.

    Here to help.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody things won’t flower though.

  62. rickw

    Never piss off Jerry, never…

  63. zyconoclast

    Yes, very cute. Is that to slip into your sock garter? 😀

    https://www.flashbangstore.com/

  64. Megan

    ‘You were there, looking over my shoulder, were you Megan?’

    Didn’t need to, you utter cretin. I quoted your very own pathetic justification for cowardice.

    I spent longer in uniform than you did. Gutless worms such as yourself have no credibility and don’t just lie to cover their weaknesses, but worst of all, lie to themselves. You are the poster worm for every single one of them.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In the don’t know why I bother department, I just glanced through the Oz Weekend Magazine. Nikki Gemmell page comes up, oh noes, won’t bother reading it but skim and get the gist, an attack on the LNP men from a velly, velly sad feminista who thinks the outlook for women is bad under the LNP. No mention of any Labor horribles though.

    This caps last week’s performance where Gemmell gave advice about getting it right with bringing up children, making reference to no other person in her featured list of do’s and don’ts, but most gratuitously introducing how not to create ‘a Trump’ by indulging kids with too much self-esteem. In that I could appreciate the sentiment, but definitely not the exemplar of disgrace that she felt she must offer.

    It’s as though this female is completely unaware of any world except that of the inner-west where she dwells. Sadly, she carries far too many women along with her if the letters to the ed are to be believed.

    I wrote one about the gratuitous Trump reference but got the email address wrong and it bounced. I do that. Must try harder. This woman needs some comeuppance from the readership.
    Fingers poised, Kittehs.

  66. calli

    Okaaay. That one’s for the stocking garter.

    On flowering plants that don’t flower. Six years ago I planted a seedling Cape Chestnut, just a two year old sapling, seed grown. They take at least seven years to flower because they seem to want to stay in an eternal botanical childhood. With seedlings, there’s no guarantee that, when they finally do flower, they’ll be any good. Some times the flowers are a hideous, insipid grey pink. Twenty feet tall, and still no flowers. I threatened it with the chainsaw if it didn’t do anything some time soon.

    Lo and behold! Like Sam’s Mallorn, my tree has flowered this year! I spied a tiny, single panicle of gorgeous, brilliant pink flowers right at the top. Next year it will be absolutely covered now the “time to reproduce” hormone has kicked in.

    The moral of the tale…be patient and never, ever give up.

  67. jo

    thefrollickingmole
    #3666694, posted on November 21, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    Arkys fish future…

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/7c/cc/6c/7ccc6c28aec5402231241fe51baddb96–toilet-bowl-fish-tanks.jp

    Doing some work at an exploration site in the Kimberly. New Geo arrived, first time to the toilet, screams. Frogs lived in the camp toilet bowls. Hilarious.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Maybe I should just go along with Hairy and dump the Oz subscription, citing Nikki Gemmell and her undue influence on gullible women as my reason. She plays the fiddle of sweetness and light, but inserts poison darts everywhere.

  69. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arky intends training his goldfish to be possum killers when they get bigger.
    Do possums drink at water bowls or are they like Koalas and have no need to drink?
    If they drink at water, then goldfish snapping off lapping possum heads is a likely outcome.
    If they don’t drink at water, then Arky has to entice the fish onto land for the kill.
    Ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny there, in double quick time.

  70. Rockdoctor

    Someone by the nom de plum of Pegasus over at Michael Smith posted the beloe on the Afghan SAS tribulations. Any legal Cats verify veracity or not?

    Putting aside the rights and wrongs of what went on in Afghanistan, and for the moment ignoring the ethical issues involved, there is a huge elephant in the room here. Notwithstanding my personal thoughts on the matter, I believe the Government and ADF sponsored legal prosecution of those allegedly involved in war crimes is doomed to fail. The reason I think this is because the Brereton inquiry was a “coercive administrative inquiry”

    Under a coercive administrative inquiry, witnesses are compelled to answer questions, but the trade-off is any information obtained during that process cannot not be used in a criminal prosecution. In addition, many of the witnesses giving evidence during the Brereton inquiry did so only on the basis that they would be granted immunity from any future criminal prosecution. Thus I just cannot see how any of the “credible evidence” identified by Justice Paul Brereton can ever be used in a criminal prosecution. If all “credible evidence” contained in the Brereton Report is deemed inadmissible, what is left? Seems to be the classic Australian definition of “nothing”.

  71. johanna

    We had huge bougainvilleas which flowered like mad in one place we lived in.

    The climate was quite dry and they were never watered.

    You might try benign neglect if TLC isn’t working. I’ve had quite a few plants like that – thrived best when ignored.

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The moral of the tale…be patient and never, ever give up.

    Until you have to take the chainsaw out and start again, that is. Till you get what you want.

    There’s a moral in that one too … if at first you don’t succeed, ‘take steps’ until you do. 🙂

    The rotten with with all of these morals is that they can be applied quite differentially.

  73. jo

    Arky
    #3666685, posted on November 21, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    I have plans for them once they get bigger.
    I’m going to train them to kill possums.

    Possums………is that that how to spell armadillos?

  74. P

    Yep, MAGA is a third and completely new party of Patriots.

    Yes

  75. Des Deskperson

    ‘It’s as though this female is completely unaware of any world except that of the inner-west where she dwells. Sadly, she carries far too many women along with her if the letters to the ed are to be believed.’

    Lizzie, twenty years ago, Gemmell was a giggling ninny on JJJ radio. The process by which she rose to her current height escapes me.

    I am always intrigued by people – mostly women in posh suburbs – who write letters to those weekend celebcult/lifestyle supplements. One must lead a pretty easeful life to still have the mental energy, on a Saturday morning, to care that much.

  76. miltonf

    Boredom is a huge problem in an affluent society.

  77. rickw

    Boredom is a huge problem in an affluent society.

    Fox hunting should be compulsory for the twats to keep them gainfully employed and to stop them annoying the shit out of everyone else.

  78. Dave in Marybrook

    KD- let it dry out and they’ll flower.
    Best blooms with water stress… damn handsome prickly things

  79. Rex Anger

    My criteria was the individuals who were part of the decision to commit conscripts in peacetime to a war of insurgency on foreign soil, the only time in our history when this has occurred.
    Whitlam had no part of that decision, which cost around 500 Australians killed, and thousands wounded, maimed, poisoned and traumatised.
    His predecessor, Arthur Calwell made a speech in reply to the commitment which is noted for its uncanny and accurate prediction of the outcome.
    Google it, and note how prescient he was.

    Poor, poor Jack Hunt.

    Wasted his life on a 50+ year temper tantrum because he was stupid and impatient and impulsive.

    He could have refused to answer the call-up, and taken his cursory slap on the wrist sentence if the police and magistrates could have been bothered to chase him up. Then his Teachers’ Union mates (male and female alike- Marxists care not from whom the adulation gushes…) would have fellated him for the next 50 years over his heroic martyrdom.

    He could have thought a little harder on his options, and chosen 3 years of CMF service. He could have completed his studies, got some cash in pocket and maybe some useful life skills for the relatively low cost of some weekend bivouacs away from home and Tuesday nights in a military instead of a civvy boozer. He could have been a ‘Nasho’ for political purposes, but without any serious impost on his life. He could have had 50+ years of “meh.”

    But no. Jack H ofunt was a stupid and impatient boy. He thought he’d be clever by taking the Queen’s Shilling, but thru the shortest possible pathway. He gambled on a) Not being allocated to an Arms Corps, and b) Not being allocated to a unit warned for overseas service. Jack Hunt thought he’d out-gamble and win against The Man. As history demonstrates, the Australian Regular Army got the last laugh.

    Incensed by the failures of his gambles, Jack Hunt threw a massive temper tantrum. The effects of which saw him ultimately removed from his Platoon after just 6 weeks out bush and sent back to Nui Dat. Incensed even further, he chose to start framing his narrative as being a poor, reluctant and non-consenting participant in something utterly against his values. Over which he had never had any element of control. And it was all those evil, colonialist perialist running-dog nekulturny debbil-debbil righty wingnuts’ fault! Not his!

    And he is still throwing it to this day…

  80. miltonf

    Fox hunting is barbaric. It’s interesting that Jonathan Green is into it- leftie who wants to be a bunyip aristocrat.

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am tempted by the horticultural themes here to venture for an inspection down the three flights of wooden steps that descend the cliff on which our premises are perched, and where a verdant green orchard and other plantings await, all part of our sub-division. These days there is no other access to this wonderland which was once a total wasteland. Apparently this 400 square metre area now our back garden was long ago once a sandstone quarry, hence the cliff. It has left some very pretty rock formations, some natural, some gouged. I sense an inclinator might be a good idea sometime. Not yet though. There is a recovery bench down there to sit on, and that will do for now. 🙂

  82. Des Deskperson

    I’ve just checked out the current crop of letters to the Ox Weekend Magazine, and they are a uniformly depressing mixture of sanctimony, sententiousness, ego and relevance deprivation. The few blokes are as bad as the women.

  83. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am always intrigued by people – mostly women in posh suburbs – who write letters to those weekend celebcult/lifestyle supplements.

    Thwack? And here’s me, admitting the same, albeit a terrible failure at it nevertheless.

    I were doing me politicial citizen’s duty. Nothing else.
    Writing letters to the Weekend Oz is not my style otherwise. But you will see me in the comments section of the main paper, until Hairy pulls the plug on it by unsubscribing, so disenchanted is he by its tone lately.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve just checked out the current crop of letters to the Ox Weekend Magazine, and they are a uniformly depressing mixture of sanctimony, sententiousness, ego and relevance deprivation. The few blokes are as bad as the women.

    Yep. Largely people with nothing much to say, but by God, here’s their chance and they’re taking it.

    I am not of that ilk.
    When I have nothing to say I will often come to the Cat to say it. That’s how this place rolls. 🙂
    I also say things here that really do need to be said, just like everyone else does.

  85. bespoke

    rickw
    #3666703, posted on November 21, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    Pseudo intellectuals will justify anything to be part of group.

  86. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Boredom is a huge problem in an affluent society.

    I am never bored. I have been poor and I have been affluent, but I don’t get bored.
    There’s always something to be interested in no matter where you are.

    My Big Sis used to carry it to extremes. Don’t tell me you’re bored, she would say to any kid around.
    You’re not allowed to be bored.

  87. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Reminds a bit of Margaret Thatcher: ‘Young people should never be bored; it is very bad for them’. And yes, whoever back thread said they got her hair wrong in The Crown series 5 were quite right. It looked nothing like that. And she didn’t always have that breathless witch’s hiss in her voice either.

    They do get some things right about her and all of the other characters, so it is still an enjoyable watch.

  88. miltonf

    Re boredom- doctors’ wives, radical chic all that sort of stuff comes about from spoilt, wealthy people with too much time on their hands. No inner resources.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Re that toon, of Boris there hugging a tree, I once knew a bloke who actually did hug trees. His wife told me about it, and then I saw him at it once when we were visiting. They had a nice garden.

    Hugging trees and supposedly loving his wife didn’t stop him trying to hug me, and more, despite my protests, once my first husband walked out. I lost all civility and threw him out on his ear. He was a creep.

  90. bespoke

    Not creating wealth with any intrinsic value could explain some of the exaggerated maternalism, miltonf.

  91. miltonf

    bLIAR->Brown->Cameroon->GrayMay->BloJo

    just awful

  92. miltonf

    When everything is given to you, it is not appreciated.

  93. Tom

    In the don’t know why I bother department, I just glanced through the Oz Weekend Magazine.

    I actually read the online version of the paper today as it was printed on the presses. There was not a single story that interested me. except for the US election and the Oz’s coverage, which assumes the paper’s readers are idiots and that the Oz is their only source of information, was so biased it was unreadable.

    My subscription, which now exists only for ease of access to the Leak junior cartoons, is on life support — especially since the Maoist radicals policing reader comments have banned my few comments in the past year.

  94. miltonf

    Best thing you can do to newscorpse is take your business away from them.

  95. zyconoclast

    Imagine having dinner on that table…

    We Walked In on My Husband With a Man. Now Our Son Is Acting Homophobic.
    Being upset is OK; being hateful is not.

    Dear Care and Feeding,

    A few weeks ago, I was supposed to take my sons to an outdoor activity that ended up getting canceled due to weather. We found out about the cancellation when we were halfway there. Before I turned around, I texted my husband that we would be heading home and never got a text back. This wasn’t unusual, as he usually puts his phone on “do not disturb” while he’s working. When we got home, I opened the door to find my husband and his best friend, “Ryan,” completely naked, and having fairly rough sex on our dining room table. They had music blaring, so they didn’t hear us come in, and my sons and I were all in shock and just stood there for a good 30 to 60 seconds before I was able to shut the music off, and they realized what was going on and could cover up. Obviously, this is a bit of a chaotic situation.

    Ryan is like an uncle to my kids, has dinner at our house several times a week, has occasionally lived with us, and he and my husband actually work together. My husband and I are planning on staying together and are still trying to figure a lot of things out. Here’s the problem: My younger son (6) is pretty oblivious and thought Uncle Ryan was wrestling with his dad. My middle son (9) is very confused about the mechanics of what we saw (we’ve had the sex talk with him, but in hindsight, we made the mistake of only talking about heterosexual sex). My older son (12) is having a very difficult time. My middle son has a lot of questions that I’m not really sure how to answer, and I’m not sure how much detail I should be going into, and who should be leading this conversation (me? my husband? a doctor?). I’ve been getting phone calls home from my older son’s school. Ever since the incident, he has apparently been making derogatory remarks about gay people, using slurs, and is also refusing to speak to his father (they were previously pretty close). The school is threatening to expel him. We’re on the waitlist for individual and family therapy, but I was wondering if you guys had any advice about what to do with my two older sons?

    Dear WN,

    You didn’t mention how you are processing all of this, but I hope that you are taking care to tend to your own emotional needs during this very trying time, and I’m sorry that you had to experience something like that—especially in front of your children. However you all may choose to work things out, I do hope your husband has acknowledged how selfish and unkind his actions were; even if you had an arrangement prior to this incident, for him and Ryan to choose your dining room as the location for their romp is just cruel, irresponsible, and wrong.

    Hopefully, you all will move up those therapy waiting lists quickly.But in the meantime, you are going to have to talk to all of your boys about the complicated nature of sexuality and love. I don’t know if your husband identifies as bi- or pansexual and/or as polyamorous, but you both will need to settle on a (ideally truthful) way to explain that someone can have a wife and children whom he loves, and also be attracted to men. His behavior that day reflected poor judgment and selfishness, but it’s not necessarily a referendum on how he feels about his family.

  96. zyconoclast

    Anne Hathaway Apologizes To Disabled Community For Playing Character With Three Fingers

    In the latest adaptation of Roald Dahl’s “The Witches,” Anne Hathaway played the Grand High Witch wherein she possessed a three-fingered hand instead of the cat claws described in the book. Such a feature was offensive, according to disability activists, and the Academy Award-winning actress has apologized for it.

    In a statement last week, Hathaway apologized to those with “limb differences” for the “pain caused.”

    “I have recently learned that many people with limb differences, especially children, or in pain because of the portrayal of the Grand High Witch in ‘The Witches,’” she wrote.

  97. herodotus

    ABC Landline: meat is the new coal.
    How far left have they drifted in 20 years?

  98. herodotus

    Much the same here Tom, re Oz subscription.

  99. herodotus

    Quite right Lizzie. Saying you’re bored is an admission that you lack ideas.

  100. Makka

    Imagine having dinner on that table…

    Piss take, surely.

  101. min

    Teaching kids to have self esteem went out years ago ,self acceptance and self worth the way to go . Question to Cats where is your self esteem today ? Is your self esteem always at the same level ? If it can go up or down who would want it ? Never rate your self isn’t that what we say to kids I love you I don’t like that behaviour .
    Humans have the great ability to say one thing bad all bad a very common thread that I saw in professional practice .

  102. DrBeauGan

    Dear WN,

    You didn’t mention how you are processing all of this, but

    thanks for the giggle. We’ve all been laughing our arses off since getting your letter.

    How do dinners go now?

  103. zyconoclast

    Tree hugger

    When you hear the term ecosexual, you might think it means people who take the earth into account when buying sex toys. You know, like vibrators made of recycled rubber and vegan lube.

    NOT SO, MY FRIENDS. Ecosexual actually means communing sexually with nature—as in, rubbing your genitals all over ancient oak trees and getting your rocks off literally using rocks.

  104. Tom

    Zyconoclast at 4.43 pm:

    Dear WN

    FMD. Depravity and perversion are not only everywhere, we’re being trained to accept them as normal.

  105. min

    Whilst I was writing my last post the dining room table and three fingers were posted. How painful is it to learn life realities that destroys your beliefs and trust .

  106. DrBeauGan

    FMD. Depravity and perversion are not only everywhere, we’re being trained to accept them as normal.

    The middle son who has got into trouble for bad-mouthing poofs is a good sign. He’s found out what the buggers actually do, and he doesn’t like it. He knows more about it than his teachers do.

  107. Bruce in WA

    Bloody things won’t flower though.

    Belt ’em with liquid potash, then, as mentioned, let ’em dry out. Beware; the more you cut them back, the fewer the blooms and the longer the thorns. I hate the bastard stuff.

  108. lotocoti

    He could have thought a little harder on his options

    He could’ve signed on with the Grey Funnel Line and parleyed his tacher qualifications into a slot on the Supplementary List, teaching Junior Recruits or Junior Entries and gargling Wardroom booze at lunch.

  109. EvilElvis

    The middle son who has got into trouble for bad-mouthing poofs is a good sign. He’s found out what the buggers actually do, and he doesn’t like it.

    Jesus, DrBG. He didn’t discover this at a family ‘dinner party’ did he?

  110. calli

    Bougainvillea blooms on new growth. Haircuts are best unless you have to do major structural thinning.

    I’ve never noticed the thorns getting longer but I don’t doubt it. Warding off the long loppers! 😀

  111. thefrollickingmole

    FMD. Depravity and perversion are not only everywhere, we’re being trained to accept them as normal.

    Their ABC, caught a couple of shows while driving hither and yon, at least a bit before i turned off again.

    “4 parents and 2 Gaybies” was one
    https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/perQmRaj7L

    The other was some vile fiction in which some slut moaned her way through a tale of rooting her “poor dumb Julia” friends husband and then onto rooting someone else while whining her son didnt respect her or something.

    Its shit.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ABC Landline: meat is the new coal.

    Hairy’s just gone out to buy us some fresh coal for dinner tonight and tomorrow night.
    I am excited because I can try some new recipes and see if it tastes any better.
    With my cooking it’s sometimes hard to tell the expensive coal from the cheap stuff. 🙂

  113. H B Bear

    Just ignore bougainvillea. Seen it in full bloom on vacant houses in Port Hedland in midsummer. It’s tough. Gotta get hot enough though.

  114. Megan

    My granny, who probably could have channelled Margaret Thatcher accent perfect, always responded to our holiday wails of “I’m bored.” with “That’s because you’re boring.”

    She then quickly assigned a tough household task to bored/boring complainer. Consequently, I am never, ever bored.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    Probably still have scars from trying to get balls out of bougainvillea.

  116. Ed Case:

    Could Our Chief Scientists find a similar reason to cull the National Cattle herd?
    Don’t put anything past these fakirs.

    Perhaps a nation wide outbreak of Brucellosis or Foot & Mouth disease originating in Wuhan would do the trick.

  117. Boambee John

    IT

    Why were your balls in the bougainvillea?

  118. herodotus

    Slow coking is best, Lizzie; you have to let the flavours coalesce.

  119. Tom

    Is cooking with coal now a Thing?

    Great business idea: coal-fired pizza. In customer world, it would rate through the roof.

  120. H B Bear

    He’s found out what the buggers actually do, and he doesn’t like it.

    It’s not all decorating flat bed trucks and sewing sequins.

  121. kaysee

    ‘Tis 🐱urday!

    ummm ………………...hmmmm

  122. vlad

    “Premier Daniel Andrews has defended a decision to ditch a multibillion-dollar dedicated rail tunnel to Melbourne Airport, saying the chosen option will be cheaper and faster to build.”

    DanAn and ScoMo have agreed on the new plans. What could go wrong?

    Beyond it costing more and taking longer, of course. They’re givens.

  123. Ed Case

    The Fin Review must be buying their News a month old.
    The Danish Government had already culled 2,850,000 Minks by 11/11/20.
    Read the story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54890229
    Mink are killed for their pelts around this time of year, so the Government have nailed the farmers twice
    with one blow.

  124. He could have refused to answer the call-up, and taken his cursory slap on the wrist sentence if the police and magistrates could have been bothered to chase him up.

    I was not a conscientious objector, and would have been convicted of an offence that would have cost me teacher registration.

    He could have thought a little harder on his options, and chosen 3 years of CMF service. He could have completed his studies, got some cash in pocket and maybe some useful life skills for the relatively low cost of some weekend bivouacs away from home and Tuesday nights in a military instead of a civvy boozer.

    Let’s set the record straight.

    CMF membership was not possible because I was living and working in an area, when at the time of registration, no CMF camps existed. Check Hansard 1967. This was a major issue in the year I was required to register.

    As history demonstrates, the Australian Regular Army got the last laugh.

    As history demonstrates, I had the last laugh. I took the gamble, and I won. A post discharge rehab course helped me gain two degrees and a postgraduate qualification saw me reach the top of my profession, and an enjoyable, productive and fulfilling 45 years plus in special education. That’s not to mention a war service housing loan, and at age 70, a DVA gold card which means the likes of you are paying for my medical care. Thanks so much…

    The effects of which saw him ultimately removed from his Platoon after just 6 weeks out bush and sent back to Nui Dat.

    I served four months in a rifle platoon, and participated in two operations (Finschhafen and Concrete).
    I was not “removed”.
    You’re projecting.
    But you’re always good for a laugh.
    And I’m still around to remind you of the history.
    That’s the best part..😆

  125. Leigh Lowe

    How goes the Vietman war?
    Is the end in sight?

  126. Cassie of Sydney

    “I was not a conscientious objector”

    No…that requires bravery.

  127. FMD. Depravity and perversion are not only everywhere, we’re being trained to accept them as normal.

    They’re daily on Catallaxy.
    Racism, xenophobia, homophobia, conspiracy theories, misogyny, abuse, smear, profanity, and an unholy and ongoing obsession with genitalia.
    It’s all here – in spades.

  128. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3666872, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:42 pm
    How goes the Vietman war?
    Is the end in sight?”

    It is the never ending war.

  129. H B Bear

    Sneakers is building a train line to Perth airport. Can’t wait to see all those FIFO guys abandon their dual cab utes to catch the train before clogging up the QANTAS club.

  130. vlad

    Tim Blair occasionally throws out a misleading bait before reeling ’em in.

    So with his blog now very tightly paywalled I’d give him the benefit of the doubt re his Biden comments until I saw them in full.

  131. MatrixTransform

    priced out of cleaning jobs

    you probably mean cleaning contracts

    the cleaners that I know personally are .. Maltese, Iranian, and Colombian.
    in each case, the whole extended family are involved.

    Tony the Maltese has a shed full of classic Aussie muscle cars … dunno, theu’re maybe worth a $meg?
    Shah, the Iranian has an Audi R8
    Eduardo’s mob are more circumspect but their cars are all brand new

    if that’s their short- list of toys, I’d love get a look at their investments.

    you may not understand , Mr Case … but there’s money in muck

    You should stick to commenting on shit you actually know about

  132. H B Bear

    It is the never ending war.

    I’m thinking about driving my hermetically sealed Miata off a cliff to end the pain.

  133. MatrixTransform

    you were right about the nepotism though

  134. lotocoti

    It is the never ending war.

    They like it that way, up the Woomba.

  135. Albatross

    MatrixTransform
    #3666883, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:50 pm
    […]
    You should stick to commenting on shit you actually know about

    Agreed. Ed should stop posting here entirely.

  136. vlad

    Jan Morris – born James – has died at age 94.

    I’ve wanted to read his Pax Britannica trilogy for years.

  137. Albatross

    1735099
    #3666876, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:44 pm
    FMD. Depravity and perversion are not only everywhere, we’re being trained to accept them as normal.

    They’re daily on Catallaxy.
    Racism, xenophobia, homophobia, conspiracy theories, misogyny, abuse, smear, profanity, and an unholy and ongoing obsession with genitalia.
    It’s all here – in spades.

    Why are you here, then, you dickless girl’s blouse?

  138. Albatross

    1735099
    #3666871, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:39 pm

  139. Nick

    Vlad, his book on Hong Kong was very good

  140. DrBeauGan

    Jesus, DrBG. He didn’t discover this at a family ‘dinner party’ did he?

    You need to read it, Evil. I laughed myself silly, but that’s me.

  141. zyconoclast

    Trump turns on Pfizer over vaccine timing

    Is he going to cancel all government contracts with Pfizer and arrest and jail all their lobbyists?

  142. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    They’re daily on Catallaxy.
    Racism, xenophobia, homophobia, conspiracy theories, misogyny, abuse, smear, profanity, and an unholy and ongoing obsession with genitalia.
    It’s all here – in spades.

    So thats why you come here, drawn to it like a fly to shit. It laps it all up with gusto.

  143. H B Bear

    They like it that way, up the Woomba

    That’s not one of those Mardi Gras euphemisms is it?

  144. Cassie of Sydney

    “So thats why you come here, drawn to it like a fly to shit. It laps it all up with gusto.”

    Of course the racist laps it up. He’s a sad sod….our racist.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    CMF membership was not possible because I was living and working in an area, when at the time of registration, no CMF camps existed. Check Hansard 1967. This was a major issue in the year I was required to register.

    Bullshit.

  146. Ed Case

    ***you probably mean cleaning contracts***
    I meant what I said.
    I’ve seen these South Americans clean.
    To be fair, they think they’re commercial cleaners, because they don’t know any better.
    But their productivity is so poor, the only way the contractors could be keeping them on is with heavy subsidies originating with the Federal Government.
    Very likely to be fully Unionised if they’re working in the CBD, so their wage books will be under scrutiny.
    A lot of people like to slag off Aussie workers, but we’ve got everyone beat for productivity.

  147. Megan

    CMF membership was not possible because I was living and working in an area, when at the time of registration, no CMF camps existed. Check Hansard 1967. This was a major issue in the year I was required to register.

    Bullshit.

    If his typing fingers are moving he’s lying. It’s who he is. Most egregiously, he lies to himself thinking it makes him better than the rest of us, rather than facing his reality of being the lowest level scum at the bottom of the pond.

  148. Ed Case

    ***Is he going to cancel all government contracts with Pfizer and arrest and jail all their lobbyists?***
    Is he fuck?
    He’s going to cuck and cuck again.
    His greatest regret will probably be not appointing a black transgender Afghan to the Supreme Court.

  149. sfw:

    The overseas students all had a licence written in calligraphy and an english translation, which was just a dirty sheet of paper with something along the lines of “Mr Wahtever” of Tamil Nardoo is licenced to drive a MC vehicle”. That was it, they were fine with that paper. I and others had more than once asked for clarification on this and it was confirmed.

    All I want is for the laws to be as vigorously enforced for everyone as they are enforced for me. And that doesn’t seem to be happening. I’m beginning to feel like a second class citizen.

  150. Mater:

    Is that one of those things you sleep on upon returning from a particularly strenuous TAOR?

    Well it’s plain to see you’re a frontline soldier – the blanket goes over the Digger, not under. Not much experience with blankets?
    Numbers prolly has a pam you could borrow…
    🙂

  151. Albatross

    Listen Mater, Winston, I’m an experienced soldier and none of these acronyms are used by proper soldiers. TAOR? Unless used in the sentence “a proper soldier, like me, would TAOR you a new asshole”, this means precisely nothing. Proper soldiers use their blankets for pillows and sleep naked but for their rifles. I’m the only real soldier on this board. Quit lying you two.

  152. one old bruce

    re Blair has supposedly ‘gone squishy’

    Anyone else remember when he refused to join Roger Simon’s PJ Media when it was in the startup stage?

    Americans play very rough and sometimes it’s best to keep your feet on good ol’ Aussie soil.

  153. one old bruce

    PS ‘Ozblogistan is broken’ message comes up.

    But when I switch to my Opera browser with VPN no probs.

  154. Arky:

    I have plans for them once they get bigger.
    I’m going to train them to kill possums.

    Gab will be most pleased, O Great Trainer of Goldfish.

  155. MatrixTransform

    Dear WN,

    time to face up to the fact that they’ve probs been rooting for years and your marriage is a sham.

    After living there you better better hope that cuck Ryan doesn’t have a legal basis to challenge you on for some of the assets.

    PS. get a HIV test just in case

  156. Fisky

    This is what US corporations are doing, when they are not virtue-signalling over International Trans Survival Day, etc. Truly a disgusting bunch of ghouls. Every single product, from every single company doing business in China must be subject to a complete audit, and if so much as a slither of forced labour produce is found, it should be banned at once.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/

  157. Fisky

    If Apple are going to oppose a bill against forced labour, passed unanimously by the House of Reps, then that tells you everything you need to know about that company. They’re a morally bankrupt disgrace.

    As for Australia, now that Beijing have helpfully shown us through their List of 14 Grievances their real reasons for sanctioning our exporters, we don’t have to worry about that market anymore. Everything except iron ore is basically gone in the medium to long term, so we should might as well forget about them.

  158. rickw:

    Never piss off Jerry, never…

    He’s better at 1000 yards than I am at 100.

  159. MatrixTransform

    A lot of people like to slag off Aussie workers

    yeah … they do don’t they?

  160. If his typing fingers are moving he’s lying. It’s who he is. Most egregiously, he lies to himself thinking it makes him better than the rest of us, rather than facing his reality of being the lowest level scum at the bottom of the pond.

    You’re an abusive malicious old thing, and probably should be ignored, But in the interests of clarity, I’ll provide you with a little background.
    I was called up in 1967. The reason I wasn’t enlisted until 1969 was because I was a student teacher in my last year of Teachers’ College. The arrangement struck between the Department of Labour and National Service and the Department of Education at the time, was that graduate teachers would serve one year in the job post graduation and prior to enlistment. This was because all student teachers were “bonded” which meant that they were expected to remain in the service of the department for three years upon graduation. This three year obligation was actually a contractual arrangement, and was predicated on the fact that once students were accepted for teacher training, they received a living allowance on top of free tuition, and were employees of the department of education.
    The compromise thrashed out for student teachers who had their birthdates drawn was the one year teaching stint, and then enlistment.
    In 1967, the year I had to register, my home address was Texas in South Western Queensland. The nearest CMF unit was at Toowoomba. The roads we travel now between these two centres didn’t exist back then, and my 1954 Beetle was not up to journeys back and forth for parades. In addition, I had no idea where I would be posted on graduation. My only expressed preference was not to posted to the staff of my father’s school (Texas) at the time. Having a son (a beginning teacher on probation) as a staff member would not have been fair to either of us.
    Consequently, it was pointless joining the CMF as it was set up at the time. I could have been appointed anywhere from Thargomindah east. As it turned out, my first appointment was to Inglewood, and early in the piece, my beetle was a casualty when it was washed down a creek after heavy rain. That was just getting from Texas to Inglewood. They built a dam (Coolmunda) which altered the flow of a creek I thought I knew well. Driving to Brisbane for parades would have been out of the question at that time in that car.
    My reference to Hansard comes from material I stumbled upon as part of my current research which references this very issue.
    The Dorothy Dixer speech I’m referring to is this one –

    Senator MCKELLAR (NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for Repatriation) – The position is this: Our young men today who are eligible for call up have the opportunity to join the C.M.F. Until fairly recently, this opportunity did not exist in the country. It does exist now because extra units have been raised. If young men intend going into the C.M.F. and they are liable to be called up, they must decide to enlist in the C.M.F. before the ballot is due. It could well be said that a young man who has not decided to join the C.M.F. and subsequently is called up could be classified in those circumstances as being sent to Vietnam unwillingly. If there are some youths in this category, I would think that they would be very few.

    (Parliamentary Hansard, Question Time, Tuesday 18th October 1966, p 11320)
    Now although this speech was made in october 1966, the earliest of these rural units weren’t set up until about two years later because of the time it took to get the necessary human and material resources. The Dorothy Dixer question was asked, because it had, by this time, become apparent that the CMF option was an option in name only, conjured up by Department of L&NS bureaucrats who lacked any real knowledge of remote and rural communities. It took them two years before they realised that the CMF option wasn’t a goer for many, and about another two years to get it functioning. That was too late for me, having to make a decision early in 1967.
    It was characteristic of so much of the organisation of the infrastructure behind the 1964 national Service Act, set up in a hurry to appease a political imperative.
    There was certainly no CMF unit in Goondiwindi when I was transferred there from Inglewood in 1970.

    This narrative, developed and promulgated by the Coalition at the time, was always held out as proof that nobody who was sent to Vietnam was sent unwillingly. It was no more true then than it is now, which is why that particular myth has been well and truly debunked by historians.

    The only place you will encounter it now is on websites such as these. All reference to it has been removed from the AWM, and the ANZAC Day Commemoration Committee’s material for schools, were it sat as a disgraceful lie for over 15 years.

  161. Tintarella di Luna

    The Fin Review must be buying their News a month old.
    The Danish Government had already culled 2,850,000 Minks by 11/11/20.
    Read the story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54890229
    Mink are killed for their pelts around this time of year, so the Government have nailed the farmers twice
    with one blow.

    I hope the discussions had around the kitchen table by Danish farmers didn’t involve hate speech.

  162. MatrixTransform

    You’re an abusive malicious old thing, and probably should be *BANG*

  163. rickw

    Cute revolver, no idea why the guy thinks that pointing it at his own face is ok!

  164. thefrollickingmole

    To save everyone time Iv got this website for responses to the dotards tarding.

    https://tenor.com/search/didnt-read-gifs

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now although this speech was made in october 1966, the earliest of these rural units weren’t set up until about two years later because of the time it took to get the necessary human and material resources

    Bullshit.

  166. Ed Case

    If Whitlam coulda gotten over the line against Bungles in 1969, I wonder if he woulda withdrew from Vietnam, or cucked.
    We’ll never know.

  167. Rex Anger

    Always excuses with you, isn’t it Jack Hunt…

    Based on your written records here alone, I’d listen to your peers (several of whom participate on this scrofulous blog) over you.

    Your history changes more frequently than Joe Stalin’s class photo…

  168. Rex Anger

    @ Edgy-

    Your answer is easy.

    St Gough was an ideologue, but an ideologue easily led by even more dedicated ideologues…

    So if he was not entirely surrounded by Fellow Travellers, but rather hard-nosed Right-faction types, one suspects the story now told of the most Sainted Saint Gough of Saintly Laborist Saintliness would be more than a little different.

  169. Boambee John

    Ed Case
    #3666960, posted on November 21, 2020 at 7:33 pm
    If Whitlam coulda gotten over the line against Bungles in 1969, I wonder if he woulda withdrew from Vietnam, or cucked.
    We’ll never know.

    If Calwell had won against Holt in 1966, what would have happened? One thing, though, is certain. Calwell had more genuine love for Australia and its working class in his little finger than Whitlam had in his over-inflated head.

  170. old bloke

    Boambee John
    #3666859, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    IT

    Why were your balls in the bougainvillea?

    See zyconoclast’s post at 4:58 pm –

    Ecosexual actually means communing sexually with nature—as in, rubbing your genitals all over ancient oak trees and getting your rocks off literally using rocks.

    Some people apparently have a bougainvillea fetish.

  171. Ed Case

    Holt won 1966 in a landslide, but Whitlam had won a few byelections in 1967 and was looking the goods.
    Vietnam was before my time, but if i’d had the chance to finesse a 1967 trip to Saigon out to late 1969
    and a probable Labor victory, I mighta thunk, hmmmmmm …

  172. areff

    Ecosexual actually means communing sexually with nature

    Georgia O’Keefe left her knickers by the flower pot many years before wankademics noticed knot holes.

    https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/489813/1010453/restricted

  173. kaysee

    Under pressure, Hallmark rolls out gay-themed Christmas movie

    In a move that surprised no one, the family-friendly Hallmark Channel caved to pressure from homosexual activists and is including homosexual characters in a Christmas-themed movie.

    The Christmas House, which premieres Nov. 22, follows “husband” Brandon Mitchell and fellow “husband” Jake who are seeking to adopt a child during the holiday season, ET Online reported.

    Brad Harder, the actor portraying Brandon, told ET it was an “honor to make a little history” at the Hallmark Channel.

  174. notafan

    If that rail tunnel doesn’t run to my house I’m never ever ever going to use it

  175. Roger

    Brad Harder, the actor portraying Brandon, told ET it was an “honor to make a little history” at the Hallmark Channel.

    Mate, sorry to break it to you, but Hallmark doesn’t make history; it makes ephemeral pabulum.

    “Actors are generally not intelligent people.”

    Anthony Hopkins

  176. kaysee

    The Great Reset Is Not a Conspiracy Theory

    The Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory. But lots of useful idiots want you to believe that it is.
    You get the idea. Anyone who imagines that the Great Reset is a serious threat belongs on the crackpot fringe. I hear this a lot and it’s a point that needs addressing because if we’re not careful the bastards will get away with it.

    Just as the devil’s greatest trick was to persuade the world he didn’t exist, so it suits promoters of the Great Reset for people to believe they’re not serious about their plan — even despite the fact that every last detail is spelled out on the World Economic Forum’s website.

    So why, given the weight of evidence, do so many wiseacres think they know better?

    The first reason is cowardice — or squeamishness if you prefer. No-one wants to believe that totalitarian rule is just around the corner (as it will be if the Great Reset is allowed to happen) because that’s a scary thought which many people would prefer not to entertain. It’s the equivalent of burying your head underneath the pillow to make the monsters go away — and lots of people do it long after childhood.

    In the late ’20s, for example, lots of supposedly intelligent and informed commentators pooh-poohed the notion that the funny little man with the moustache building a power base in Germany presented any kind of genuine threat. Sure he’d spelled out exactly what he planned in a 1925 manifesto called Mein Kampf. But c’mon — those Lederhosen, that hysterical oratory — no way was he going to lead a level-headed, war-chastened people like the Germans into another insane global conflict…

    The second reason is tone policing. Tone policing is a game played mostly by the left but which has been unthinkingly copied by the squishier sort of conservative. It’s a way of closing down arguments you disagree with or which make you uncomfortable. Instead of actually addressing the argument itself, you focus on a rhetorical flourish you consider to be overly dramatic or a word you find inapt — and use that to imply that this invalidates your opponent’s case.

  177. kaysee

    “Actors are generally not intelligent people.”

    Anthony Hopkins

    Kurt Russell: Actors shouldn’t talk politics

    Kurt Russell says Hollywood and politics just don’t mix and that actors should “step away from saying anything” political.

    “I’ve always been someone who felt we are court jesters. That’s what we do,” the “Furious 7” star said in an interview with The New York Times published Wednesday.

    “As far as I’m concerned, you should step away from saying anything so that you can still be seen by the audience in any character,” added Russell, 69.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    Ha ha ha, Megan.

    You can tell you’re over the target with the old coward when he either a) launches into an epistle of how bad he’s had it (from waaaay up up on the cross, if you don’t mind), b) changes the subject with a side order of pomposity [e.g. ‘you must have led a very sheltered childhood’], or if you really get him by the saggy bits at the back of the thigh he’ll piss off completely.

    Until the next day, when it’s as though the smack he deservedly got never happened.

    Hey, Liability Bob. Tell us the story about how the ADF had the Townsville diggers ‘on a short leash’ in the late 80s and early 90s. Garn, do it. You love that one.

  179. Knuckle Dragger

    kaysee:

    ‘Instead of actually addressing the argument itself, you focus on a rhetorical flourish you consider to be overly dramatic or a word you find inapt’

    Like ‘global agrarian socialist’?

    A bloke who works in a furniture shop was aksing.

  180. Roger

    “As far as I’m concerned, you should step away from saying anything so that you can still be seen by the audience in any character,” added Russell, 69.

    One of the exceptions to Hopkins’s rule.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    Prediction:-
    Billy McMahon will get a run in tomorrow’s sermon.
    A serious smack about Vietman, followed by that old joke about him looking like a VW Beetle with the doors open.

  182. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex:

    ‘Your history changes more frequently than Joe Stalin’s class photo…’

    I particularly like these tidbits – all appearing in different victimhood rants at different times, but when put together it’s really kinda funny:

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

  183. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now although this speech was made in october (sic) 1966, the earliest of these rural units weren’t set up until about two years later because of the time it took to get the necessary human and material resources

    49th Battalion, R.Q.R , raised as a “Special Conditions” unit in September 1966, 28th Battalion, RWAR raised in October 1966, and 19th Battalion RNSWR also raised in 1966.

  184. Boambee John

    I wonder is the bin chicken aware that his favourite movie for schoolkids, To Kill a Mockingbird, has been cancelled.

    It seems that “believe all women” now trumps (yuk, yuk) “waacism”. So sad, too bad.

  185. Ed Case

    Forget the BBC AgitProp, here’s the latest on the Minky Business in Denmark, and forget 2.85 million culled Minks, the Feds are closer to 13 million down.
    Have a read of this, these people have gone Full Nazi: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201120-denmark-s-mink-farmers-despair-as-livelihood-dies</a

  186. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I particularly like these tidbits – all appearing in different victimhood rants at different times, but when put together it’s really kinda funny:

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

    dementia’s a bitch

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    49th Battalion, R.Q.R , raised as a “Special Conditions” unit in September 1966, 28th Battalion, RWAR raised in October 1966, and 19th Battalion RNSWR also raised in 1966.

    22nd Battalion, RVR, raised as a “Special Conditions” unit in 1966 – also included Tasmanians.

  188. vlad

    dementia’s a bitch

    America may be about to find out what a bitch.

  189. bespoke

    Screaming deniers at center right people given how the left used it, inept is the most charitable description.

  190. Zyconoclast

    Under pressure, Hallmark rolls out gay-themed Christmas movie

    In a move that surprised no one, the family-friendly Hallmark Channel caved to pressure from homosexual activists and is including homosexual characters in a Christmas-themed movie.

    Bends over is more accurate.

  191. areff

    Hallmark takes gays up the aisle.

  192. rickw

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

    Every day is Vietnam Day!

    The little bloke and I were on patrol in the back corner of the garden today, the rice paddy section. We nearly had a friendly fire incident! Mummy came out to do gardening, she’s Asian and was wearing her pointy Asian hat. Scared the shit out of us. Just as well she wasn’t wearing her black pyjamas…..

  193. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3667027, posted on November 21, 2020 at 9:08 pm

    Hallmark takes gays up the aisle.

    Mr Humphries?
    I’m freeeee!

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    Sat’dy night.

    Ideal for pussy jokes.

  195. C.L.

    Who the hell is this dude – Bruce Lee reincarnated?

    Watch till the end.

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1329696170009001984

  196. Rockdoctor

    Rickw, that Fairbanks-Morse engine reminded me of some of the machines Asian farmers use for rice field…

  197. thefrollickingmole

    Rickw
    Each was worse than the last.

  198. Rockdoctor

    Whoops reading further after posting. Rickw was being serious not responding along the lines of Bobs daily opining…

  199. rickw

    .303 is the go to rifle in OZ!

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah, the old ring finger trick.

  201. 1735099

    The 49th Battalion had three setups in the 60s, Moreton, Darling Downs and Wide Bay. None of them were accessible to me (or anyone else in the Western Maranoa and Southern border) in 1967.
    Get a map.
    The other units were in WA and NSW.

    Thanks for confirming the history.

  202. rickw

    Whoops reading further after posting. Rickw was being serious not responding along the lines of Bobs daily opining…

    It’s bloody serious stuff! We’ve got the village and rice paddy bit of the back garden sorted. A bit of work to do on the rubber plantation. The jungle section down the side of the house is doing a nicely all by itself. I can’t wait for the little bloke to get a bit bigger so I don’t have to carry The Pig for the whole bloody patrol….. Oh, and living were we live, the police helicopter almost permanently stationed over the suburb adds to the authenticity.

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I have never darkened the door of an RSL since 1971.’

  204. Knuckle Dragger

    15-15.

    Stupid Argies.

  205. rickw

    This may be the ultimate redneck log splitter:

  206. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The 49th Battalion had three setups in the 60s, Moreton, Darling Downs and Wide Bay. None of them were accessible to me (or anyone else in the Western Maranoa and Southern border) in 1967.

    What, not even for two weeks, twice a year, to discharge your National Service obligations?

    The other units were in WA and NSW.

    They were still set up two years before you claim the “Special conditions” units were.

  207. Rex Anger

    .303 is the go to rifle in OZ!

    I want one of both! 😢

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    vlad
    #3666890, posted on November 21, 2020 at 5:54 pm
    Jan Morris – born James – has died at age 94.
    I’ve wanted to read his Pax Britannica trilogy for years.

    Was sane, transitioned, and stayed sane. Probably the first to draw public clamour for his original decision. The first Vol. above, I found the most interesting. His travel book Destinations I treasure. The last book, In My Mind’s Eye is that of an old woman having a bit of a ramble, as they do. A captivating style with the pen.

  209. Dr Faustus

    rickw
    #3667024, posted on November 21, 2020 at 9:01 pm
    Scary stuff!!

    Impressive.
    Hard to see what could go wrong (particularly with the second machine).

  210. Kev

    The 49th Battalion had three setups in the 60s, Moreton, Darling Downs and Wide Bay. None of them were accessible to me (or anyone else in the Western Maranoa and Southern border) in 1967.
    Get a map.

    49th Battalion was re-raised as a remote area special conditions unit responsible for training national servicemen who, due to their residence in remote areas, had difficulty meeting their training obligations. Instead of Tuesdays and weekends the guys could fulfil their obligation by attending annual camps – once a year. Toowoomba to Wacol once a year would not be too long a trip as shown on the map you recommend.

  211. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Instead of Tuesdays and weekends the guys could fulfil their obligation by attending annual camps – once a year. Toowoomba to Wacol once a year would not be too long a trip as shown on the map you recommend.

    My understanding – and I’m happy to be corrected – is that you could fulfill your National Service obligations by attending two two week camps a year, in lieu of Tuesday nights, weekends and a two week camp.

  212. Kneel

    “…failure to distinguish between audit logs and paper records of individual votes…”

    Umm, you DO know that these voting machines (for in-person votes) print this “paper record” where it is NOT visible to the voter, right? That it has been claimed that the software can (and has) changed the voters selection AFTER the voter provides their final approval.

    Oh, and if you look around carefully, you’ll find places in the US Pres. Election where they list things like “11,234.63” votes – which is pretty strong evidence of the use of “fractional voting” (which is where a vote for Trump only counts as 0.75 of a vote, while a vote for Biden counts as 1.5 votes, for example). Fractional voting, being able to “flip” votes and being able to discard votes are documented features of these systems – they are listed in the user manual!

    Did you know that when that DHS department (CISA) issued their statement that the 2020 election was the “most secure in US history”, that the person who wrote that works for Dominion too? And that said DHS department “partners” with (and gets funding from) a self-proclaimed left-leaning organisation funded by Soros?

    Votes counted without observers in several states, 70+% “not recountible” districts in MI, one place in MN recorded a 350% voter turnout – no joke, look it up – and a list of 20 or so places that didn’t go below 100% turnout (even here, where voting is compulsory, we NEVER see 100% turnouts – never!), just 3 places in GA “found” votes that changed the totals by a record number for a recount.

    The whole thing stinks to high heaven and they NEED some sort of independent (or at least bi-partisan) investigation into it – regardless of who eventually wins the presidency, this can’t be allowed to continue, because ignoring this obvious a set of issues will result in at best massive civil disobedience, protests and riots and at worst civil war.

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Kev!

    You’re spoiling the Victim Narrative!

  214. Rex Anger

    @ Kev-

    Good sleuthing.

    Another half-truth and audacious misrepresentation exploded…

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Toowoomba to Wacol once a year would not be too long a trip as shown on the map you recommend.

    How would that trip compare to, say, Toowomba-Nui Dat return?

  216. Knuckle Dragger

    Sigh. All right – rickw:

    How does the spinning cone thing on the ’92 Honda wheel grab and hold the wood? Is it threaded?

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘How would that trip compare to, say, Toowomba-Nui Dat return?’

    He’d have had to pay for the Beetle fuel, probably.

    Thrift. Most likely his heritage.

  218. Must say that Audrey Tautou is rather fetching in The Da Vinci Code

  219. Mark A

    rickw
    #3667060, posted on November 21, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    This may be the ultimate redneck log splitter:

    Bloomin ‘ell the man has steel leg or doesn’t care, at one moment the splitter cone was ready to split his leg.

    KD, yes all of this kind of splitters work on a screw principle.
    No phrasing

  220. Leigh Lowe

    Dr Faustus

    #3667069, posted on November 21, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    rickw
    #3667024, posted on November 21, 2020 at 9:01 pm
    Scary stuff!!

    Impressive.
    Hard to see what could go wrong (particularly with the second machine).

    He, he, yes.
    Most of them look like they might deliver the odd crushed hand between log and backplate.
    But #2 has the potential to turn the operator into the Monty Python Black Knight in short order.

  221. vlad

    That story you linked to Zippy is actually quite disturbing. What the hell did they think they were doing?!

  222. Pedro the Loafer

    Gawdalmighty.

    Got up this morning, made a coffee, read the Cat and flung some online shit at that monomaniacal old goat from Toowoomba.

    Go out for the day, do some fun stuff, arc up the BBQ for dinner, come inside for the night, read the Cat and that monomaniacal old goat is still bleating about how it wasn’t his fault, he was frogmarched into the Army or some shit. Scroll finger working overtime.

    They used to have loony bins for this sort of obsessive fool.

  223. Steve trickler

    Ugly apartments. Many Architects need a proverbial punch to the head.



  224. Rex Anger

    ‘How would that trip compare to, say, Toowomba-Nui Dat return?’

    He’d have had to pay for the Beetle fuel, probably.

    Do Beetles swim?

    The only Beetle-sized thing I know of that flies is the 16″ projectiles lobbed by the USS Missouri when it did its time on the gunline in Vietnam…

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