Open Forum: November 21, 2020

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3667569, posted on November 22, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    Just when you think humans couldn’t get worse. Just when you think they’ve got as low as they go.

    That apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

  2. Is that going to be your standard defence from now on, like the flimsy Enoggera cinema defence you always use against the overwhelming evidence of Hazmatic?

    That Hazmatic.
    The one who disappeared with his pompous tail between his legs, and hasn’t surfaced since.
    Shame really.
    He was great fun.

  3. thefrollickingmole

    Wouldn’t most life insurance policies be void if you killed yourself?

    Used to be, now most have a qualifying period.

    My brothers paid out, indeed the thought of a large sum of cash going to his kids may have influenced his decision.

  4. Runnybum

    So Ben Dover is a pilot too!

  5. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3667576, posted on November 22, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    Wouldn’t most life insurance policies be void if you killed yourself?

    I think most just have a “waiting period”
    Strangely enough, in the USA, this used to be 13 months.
    The thinking was that if someone would get suicidal on a particular sad anniversary, they would have to get through two of those if they took out a policy during one of these episodes.

  6. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Our findings show vaccine hesitancy, which accounts for a significant proportion of the population, may be addressed by public health messaging. But for a significant minority of the population with strongly held beliefs, alternative policy measures may well be needed to achieve sufficient vaccination coverage to end the pandemic.”

  7. Zippy:

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

    Winston still has his original pelt.
    And he’s keeping it.

  8. Mater

    Bob,
    Do you want to know why you had a UD?

    Here’s why:

    1735099
    #3387578, posted on April 1, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    I have a clear grasp of safety protocols, and the importance of sequence.
    For example – clearing a weapon.
    The correct sequence –
    1. Remove magazine.
    2. Cock the weapon.
    3. Anything up the spout is ejected.
    Incorrect sequence –
    1. Cock the weapon.
    2. Remove magazine.
    3. There is now a round chambered ready to fire.
    If you follow the next step (pulling the trigger to show that the weapon is indeed clear, as was the drill practiced after returning from a patrol), two very different outcomes occur, and one of them is noisy and dangerous.
    Usually, the presiding NCO checked each weapon at the end of step 3 in the correct sequence.
    Occasionally, they got slack and left it to individuals and bad stuff happened.
    That’s how I learned the importance of sequence.
    It matters not whether you’re dealing with firearms or a virus.
    Sequence matters…..

  9. Mater

    He was great fun.

    Yes. Watching him punch you around the ring at midnight, at regular intervals, certainly had me bouncing out of bed in anticipation.

  10. Boambee John

    1735099
    #3667556, posted on November 22, 2020 at 3:03 pm
    And liars!

    What was that you were saying about A4s?

    Such a graceful acceptance of Mater’s apology!

  11. custard

    Too good to leave on the other side of the page. Thanks Tom

    Tom
    #3667562, posted on November 22, 2020 at 3:13 pm
    Sandgropers about to get an early election sprung?

    I would be surprised.

    Liars dullards like Sneakers McGowan instinctively knew they had won the lottery when the Chinese communists unleashed Kung Flu on the world: a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to use government “experts” to scare the crap out of voters and, in WA’s case, to use Canberra’s bottomless borrowings pit to underwrite the 2020 WA seccession movement and stick it up the easterners.

    It just so happens the next state election will occur on March 13, 2021, according to the fixed four-year terms WA has signed up to — perfect timing!

    Sneakers’ biggest enemy is returning to normal. The more his allies in the news media, especially the TV networks, can continue to scare the shit out of people and stick it up Canberra, the bigger the Sneakers landslide. Just like Pony Girl and Horseface in NZ — and Dickhead Dan in 2022.

    Once again, the news media has become the enemy of the people. The Australian TV networks especially have become state media, belittling anyone who stands up to the display of rampant state power.

  12. custard

    Someone remind me again the purpose of the Liberal party.

  13. MatrixTransform

    Acronyms mean what I want them to mean

    Take Another Opportunistic Rant

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    This Hazmatic?

    ‘After losing both his legs in a 1970 mine incident with 2RAR in Vietnam the Army retrained Bill Rolfe as a lawyer. He eventually became the top dog as Director General Defence Force Legal Services, so his lawyer cred is substantial.

    ‘All of his interview [in the Australians At War film archive] is interesting, particularly this part:

    ‘Q. On these early patrols, what was the feeling amongst your men? Were they excited, afraid?’

    ‘A. Nervous, I suppose. But I suppose I never really talked to anyone about it. Maybe my batman every now and then did. George was a very… he was a schoolteacher and had his service deferred until such time as he’d completed his training so he was a national serviceman and that’s right, I remember you asked me before a bout distinguishing national servicemen.

    ‘Before we went over, we had one fellow that decided days before we left that he wasn’t going. He was a national serviceman too. But the simple fact is he was just handed over to a civil affairs unit at home in Townsville to deal with. But he just declined to go. He was a good friend of George’s and they’s obviously talked about it a bit.’

    h/t, naturally, Hazmatic – 30 June 2020.

    Liability Bob. You’re a dishonest parasite, and have been doing remora impersonations on the Australian public for over 50 years.

    Take your lying girly hands that have never done a day’s work somewhere else, you pompous flog.

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

  16. Cassie of Sydney

    “Such a graceful acceptance of Mater’s apology!”

    So much for being a Christian. Such a grubby little man.

  17. Mater

    ‘I was deferred.’
    ‘I was deferred twice.’
    ‘I was not deferred.’

    No, no, no!
    It gets better.

    1735099
    #3550167, posted on August 17, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    And you can be deferred, but not deferred, at the same time.

    Both statements can be absolutely correct.

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  19. kaysee

    P
    #3667295, posted on November 22, 2020 at 10:17 am

    Feast of Christ the King

    Yes it is. The Sunday before Advent.
    Which in turn, brings this message:

    Hope Pure and Simple (3:39)

    Life gets busy, making it easy to lose hope. Here is an inspiring message of God’s love and grace in the midst of even the toughest times.

    Similar to the inspirational book Daily Motivation.

  20. rickw

    Getting ready for the Demonrats:

  21. Crossie

    Tom
    #3667255, posted on November 22, 2020 at 9:15 am
    Has anyone noticed how the gaslight media can state there was no election fraud and heartily believe it?

    I’m stealing that, Crossie. Perfect description.

    Feel free Tom, and anyone else who wants to use it.

  22. jo

    Foolscap

    Something Spud wears on his head.

  23. rickw

    Someone remind me again the purpose of the Liberal party.

    Australia’s leading gun confiscation party?

  24. H B Bear

    If it happened to us it can happen to you.

    Only someone living under a rock could make that statement about the US.

  25. kaysee

    A reminder that every single leader in the Western world today is scum…

    And yet we’re not taking the law into our own hands – as we have done months ago.

    https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1329873709054746627

    The scum are responsible for the decision made by Nancy Russell.

    Facing another retirement home lockdown, 90-year-old chooses medically assisted death

    Across Canada, long-term care homes and retirement homes are seeing rising cases of COVID-19 and deaths yet again, a worrisome trend that is leading to more restrictions for the residents.

    But these lockdowns are taking another toll among those who don’t get COVID-19.

    Residents eat meals in their rooms, have activities and social gatherings cancelled, family visits curtailed or eliminated. Sometimes they are in isolation in their small rooms for days. These measures, aimed at saving lives, can sometimes be detrimental enough to the overall health of residents that they find themselves looking into other options.

    Russell, described by her family as exceptionally social and spry, was one such person. Her family says she chose a medically-assisted death (MAID) after she declined so sharply during lockdown that she didn’t want to go through more isolation this winter.

  26. Miltonf

    The purpose of the liberal party is nice jobs for connected people

  27. EvilElvis

    “Given the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our community, it has been extremely difficult for our message to resonate.

    I’m not sure how “public servants are doing it tough, they need a pay rise” didn’t resonate with the plebs who pay for this shit. Fucking spastic.

  28. thefrollickingmole

    Sometimes they are in isolation in their small rooms for days.

    From memory prisoners are supposed to get an hour a day outside.
    Sub-prison conditions for oldies then.

  29. Maj

    “Our findings show vaccine hesitancy, which accounts for a significant proportion of the population, may be addressed by public health messaging. But for a significant minority of the population with strongly held beliefs, alternative policy measures may well be needed to achieve sufficient vaccination coverage to end the pandemic.”

    If you are Pro Life, don’t take this COVID vaccine.

    Bishop J. Strickland @Bishopoftyler·Nov 17

    Moderna vaccine is not morally produced. Unborn children died in abortions and then their bodies were used as “laboratory specimens”. I urge all who believe in the sanctity of life to reject a vaccine which has been produced immorally.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    Runnybum

    #3667581, posted on November 22, 2020 at 3:47 pm

    So Ben Dover is a pilot too!

    As am I.
    Got my licence at 16.
    It was practical way of getting around the family properties before I could get a car licence.

  31. Nick

    Well Maj, not even Tony Fisher thinks that

    SYDNEY Archbishop Anthony Fisher has moved to dispel some mainstream media claims that he and other faith leaders opposed a potential COVID-19 vaccine because it includes cell lines from an aborted foetus.
    “I have not, nor would I, call for Catholics to boycott the vaccine if it became available,” Archbishop Fisher said on Facebook, after a furore that provoked a stream of angry posts.

  32. Ed Case

    Do Moderna and Pfizer use Fetuses in other products?

  33. EvilElvis

    Na Evil was too tight and nut wouldn’t crack. Was worried about rounding the nut. All good now after a morning of words I don’t normally use. Reassembly will be pretty simple.

    Roger, dodger! Good wrenching to you, sir.

  34. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A new nasal spray with the potential to fight COVID-19 and other respiratory viral infections will be tested in the hopes of manufacturing it in Australia.

    The INNA-051 nasal treatment, developed by Australian biotech company Ena Respiratory, targets the primary site of most respiratory infections, including COVID-19.

    Applied topically with a spray, the treatment activates the immune defence mechanisms in the respiratory tract.

    The technology could also help fight coronavirus and other infections like influenza and the common cold.

  35. Runnybum

    Ben, was it difficult to land an A340 in a cow paddock?

  36. MarkA:
    Top Ten Tanks.
    The Japanese Type 10 has a nasty looking shot trap in the lower turret, or is it just a fake/RA plate?
    My favorite is still the Merkava mainly for the crew/infantry survivability, then the Leopard2/Challenger 2.
    Is it just mud, or have they gone back to a Zimmerit type coating on the Challenger 2?
    (My vision isn’t quite back to normal after the cataract removal a couple of days ago.)

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Do Moderna and Pfizer use Fetuses in other products?

    MMR maybe. The rubella component is made from the fetal cell line as I recall (I checked the original patents once). I don’t now if those two companies make that one though.

  38. Zyconoclast

    In case you have not yet planned dinner

    Ouroboros Steak grow-your-own human meat kit is “technically” not cannibalism

    A group of American scientists and designers have developed a concept for a grow-your-own steak kit using human cells and blood to question the ethics of the cultured meat industry.

    Ouroboros Steak could be grown by the diner at home using their own cells, which are harvested from the inside of their cheek and fed serum derived from expired, donated blood.

    The resulting bite-sized pieces of meat, currently on display as prototypes at the Beazley Designs of the Year exhibition, are created entirely without causing harm to animals. The creators argued this cannot be said about the growing selection of cultured meat made from animal cells.

    Despite the lab-grown meat industry claiming to offer a more sustainable, cruelty-free alternative to factory farming, the process still relies on fetal bovine serum (FBS) as a protein-rich growth supplement for animal cell cultures.

    FBS, which costs around £300 to £700 per litre, is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry. So lab-grown meat remains a byproduct of polluting agricultural practices, much like regular meat.

  39. Maj

    both moderna and Pfizer coronavirus vaccines made without fetal cells

    A half-truth is more dangerous that an out and out lie.

    It is true neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccine used cells taken from aborted human beings for their development or production. But both were tested using HEK293 cells derived from an abortion in 1973.

    https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/

    There is a massive disinformation campaign going on here. Don’t be fooled. Look at the facts. Do your own research. And decide for yourself instead of swallowing the politically correct line.

  40. Maj

    Well Maj, not even Tony Fisher thinks that

    SYDNEY Archbishop Anthony Fisher has moved to dispel some mainstream media claims that he and other faith leaders opposed a potential COVID-19 vaccine because it includes cell lines from an aborted foetus.
    “I have not, nor would I, call for Catholics to boycott the vaccine if it became available,” Archbishop Fisher said on Facebook, after a furore that provoked a stream of angry posts.

    “. . . after a furore that provoked a stream of angry posts.”

    So this isn’t ++Fisher’s genuine belief, it’s a new position he was bullied into, or adopted to appease a fallen world.

  41. thefrollickingmole

    Zyco.

    Fake news now.

    Despite the lab-grown meat industry claiming to offer a more sustainable, cruelty-free alternative to factory farming, the process still relies on fetal bovine serum (FBS) as a protein-rich growth supplement for animal cell cultures.

    It WAS done that way, expensive, inefficient & supply problems as well as the chance for contamination and unwanted bugs.

    Some might be using it still but I couldnt tell you why, the artificial stuff is shitloads cheaper, sterile and quality controlled.

    90% of the seum cost it 2 growth hormones.
    Tiny, tiny quantities overall, but ridiculously expensive.
    The holy grail is artificially producing those 2 hormones, I saw one paper where they were growing the glands necessary then stimulating them to produce the hormones as part of the reactor setup, really clever stuff.

    DUTCH COMPANY MEATABLE HAS REPLACED BOVINE SERUM FOR FASTER AND CHEAPER SLAUGHTER-FREE MEAT

  42. This Hazmatic?

    Not unless he’s commenting from the hereafter.
    Bill Rolfe died in 2016.

  43. Ed Case

    ***Despite the lab-grown meat industry claiming to offer a more sustainable, cruelty-free alternative to factory farming,***
    Sounds like the end of meat is upon us.
    Among other things, I’m wondering the size of the compo package that the big Graziers and Processors are going to get in return for culling their herds and shutting their Plants?

  44. Bob, if you forward a copy of your book to me, through Sinc, I’ll fact check the terminology for you. I’ll even touch base with Johno, and get him to peruse the Vietnam specific stuff.

    If you want a copy of my book, you can order one, just like everybody else. You’d better be quick, there are very few hard copies left. There is a digital (updated/second edition) version available now. If you are as terrified of being identified as you appear to be, the whole transaction can be completed anonymously via email.
    Incidentally, the manuscript was vetted by my platoon commander before he died in 2010. The book is dedicated to him.
    It’s amusing that the only negative reviews I get are from individuals on this site, without the benefit of actually reading it. Dapin described it as “one of the more accomplished self-published Vietnam memoirs” (p41 – Australia’s vietnam – Myth Vs History) and Dr Peter Yule, author of The Long Shadow, referenced it extensively, and described it thusly –

    I read every Vietnam memoir I could find and yours was among the very best – I had to restrain myself from quoting from it too often.

    I’d trust my ex-boss’s* editing over that of a bitter and obsessed anonymous blogger who gets off by abusing his elders and betters.
    He was there – you weren’t.
    Your credibility on the Vietnam conflict is nil.

    *Another term in frequent use in Vietnam back then.
    You can spend a day or two researching its usage if you want.
    Ask Johno…

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sounds like the end of meat is upon us.

    Any more talk like that and Hairy will shift us to Uruguay.
    They have meat and three more pieces of meat with each meal. No vegies.

  46. thefrollickingmole

    Sounds like the end of meat is upon us.

    Not until they crack the hormone problem.

    There will be a lot of sold at a loss stuff coming up, but that basically to prove its safety in various trial runs.

    Its why Russia had a loss making run of chicken nuggets added to a fast food menu, the hoops to jump through in the US with their FDA are massively easier if you cans say ‘Been sold in X country for X years and x number of portions have never caused a problem”

    Heres an Aussie mob, nice bloke running it too.
    https://www.vowfood.com/

  47. Nick

    Maj:

    So this isn’t ++Fisher’s genuine belief,

    Fisher:

    I have not, nor would I, call for Catholics to boycott the vaccine if it became available,” Archbishop Fisher said on Facebook,

    Big Pharma control the Fish. Who knew ?

  48. Dr Faustus

    Unsurprisingly, Stan Grant finds it completely unsurprising that China is pissed off with Australia. We’ve been typically Australian and taken the money, without recognising the important cultural need for gift-giving, prostration and head-banging in front of the Emperor.

    Luckily, China has done us a favour by explaining things in simple unambiguous terms. Terms that even white trash can understand.

    Into the barrel and suck, White Devils.
    (Paul Kelly agrees.)

  49. notafan

    The Vatican has since 2005 approved the use of vaccines using aborted foetal lines, where there is no alternative.

    Though you would think that foetal cells from a unborn child what was miscarriaged naturally could be available for research.

  50. Ed Case

    All these tidbits about, ahem, “fly larvae” meat and Cockroach “milk” are to soften us up to accept the FrankenBurger.
    “Would Sir prefer the Planned Parenthood approved FrankenBurger or the Arcgbishop’s Choice?”

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sounds like the end of meat is upon us.

    It’s a religious edict.

    Climate ‘Experts’ Demand Tax On Meat To Fight Global Warming (10 Nov, via Climate Depot)

    The UK Health Alliance on Climate Change (UKHACC) urges the UK government to impose a climate tax on food producers by 2025 – unless private industry takes voluntary measures to limit their carbon emissions.

    In the report published on Nov. 4, titled “All-Consuming: Building A Healthier Food System For People And Planet,” UKHACC outlines that the climate crisis cannot be resolved without reducing food that causes high emissions, such as red meat and dairy products.

    “In particular, red meat consumption will need to be cut by half if the food system is to stay within sustainable environmental limits,” UKHACC wrote in the report.

    Adding that, “changing our diets in this way will not only help to mitigate climate change but will also improve our health: there is also clear evidence that is replacing animal protein with plant-based protein results in lower rates of stroke, heart disease, diabetes, and overall death rates.”

    I haven’t known of many vegans but the few I’ve communicated with seem to be medical messes. Going against evolution is contraindicated.

  52. Nick

    Though you would think that foetal cells from a unborn child what was miscarriaged naturally could be available for research.

    Nota, I think the material from an unborn child, dates back some decades. I m happy to be corrected

  53. notafan

    Yes Nick, in the 1960s

    And outweighed by the potential wrong in exposing pregnant women and their unborn children to diseases like rubella

    from the academy for life

  54. notafan

    maj seems to bounce between Catholics are pagan fools and but Catholic teaching on abortion!

  55. Nick

    Dr. Faustus, said tongue in cheek, but it’s true

    Kevin Carrico
    @kevincarrico
    · Nov 19
    Things Australia needs to do to get the China relationship “back on track”
    1. Shut down media.
    2. Shut down think tanks.
    3. Start thinking concentration camps and genocide are good.
    4. OBEY!!!

  56. thefrollickingmole

    All these tidbits about, ahem, “fly larvae” meat and Cockroach “milk” are to soften us up to accept the FrankenBurger.

    Theres a few different fields, fungal, insect, fermentation of proteins (interesting) and lab grown meats.

    All very different in their tech.

    Theres already reasonably large scale cricket farms in Australia for animal proteins.
    As well as some attempts to market it as human =food.
    https://www.insectproteinassoc.com/insects-as-food

  57. Nick

    maj seems to bounce between Catholics are pagan fools and but Catholic teaching on abortion!

    Lol, yes

  58. notafan

    Anyhow the most important point is that the claim the Moderna vaccine is tainted by abortion is incorrect.

  59. calli

    This is an extract of a letter co-signed by Archbishops Davies, Fisher and Makarios to Scott Morrison on behalf of their congregations:

    Some will have no ethical problem with using tissue from electively aborted foetuses for medical purposes. Others may regard the use of a cell-line derived from an abortion performed back in the 1970 as now sufficiently removed from the abortion itself to be excusable. But others again will draw a straight line from the ending of a human life in abortion through the cultivation of the cell-line to the use for manufacturing this vaccine; even if the cells have been propagated for years in a laboratory far removed from the abortion, that line of connection remains. They will be concerned not to benefit in any way from the death of the little girl whose cells were taken and cultivated, nor to be trivialising that death, and not to be encouraging the foetal tissue industry.

    While we accept that the proposed vaccine may be sufficiently remote from the abortion that occasioned the derivation of the cell-line, we flag to you that any COVID-19 vaccine cultured on a foetal cell-line will raise serious issues of conscience for a proportion of our population. Those troubled by this may either acquiesce to the social and political pressure to use the vaccine, or conscientiously object to the use by themselves and their dependents; i f t h e latter, they will suffer various disadvantages

    They clearly disagree with the adoption of the AstraZeneca vaccine in preference to Moderna and Pfizer which, according to the attachment provided to the PM, were not ethically compromised.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    soften us up to accept the FrankenBurger

    I was in Coles today hoping for sausages, but the Coles thin classic beef sausages were sold out, as were the garlic and chives and the pork ones. You can always tell what people are about by what’s sold out.

    Hunting for an alternative I looked at the extreme end of the display, at something which looked like sausages. Alternative meat sausages. There was a tiny section of a foot or so with fake sausages amidst a 5 metre long sausage section. Blink and you’d miss it, unless you were a Gaian. Says a lot about the popularity of this silly idea.

    I wound up getting some thicker oregano and parsley ones, knowing they won’t do as well in the grill I use. Ah well, beats fake-meat mystery tubes.

  61. Ed Case

    The United States spent the 20th century building up the commo regime in China, I’m have a bit of trouble believing they’re going to tear it down.
    Think Tanks should be shut down, they’re all funded by Soros, the State Dept, the CIA, or in Rudd’s case, at least partly by Jeffrey Epstein.

  62. notafan

    Exactly calli

    The academy’s position is very simple, only when no alternative is available

    Clearly with both Pfizer and Moderna highly likely to be viable alternatives Australians should be able to make an ethical choice.

  63. calli

    Coles is dicking around with their sausages, Bruce.

    They’re using new packaging – you get 10% less for the same price. But…Gaia. Also, I suspect they’re using a different casing, too. Turns to cardboard when cooked.

    They had the most perfect Cumberland Sausage around. Then they turned it to sh*t.

  64. Maj

    according to the attachment provided to the PM, were not ethically compromised.

    Don’t believe what they tell you. Do your own research.

    Q1 Are HEK293 cells derived from a 1973 abortion?

    Q2 Were the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines tested using HEK293 cells? (https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/)

    Q3 Are you OK with vaccines that only make it to the market because they were tested using cells derived from an abortion?

    I’m not. You can’t be a little bit pregnant, and you can’t have a morally acceptable pharmaceutical product that only used a little bit of the cells of an aborted baby.

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    Liability Girly-Hands Bob:

    ‘Bill Rolfe died in 2016.’

    And he recorded that interview, now in the Archive, before he did. But still, let’s return to the important bit:

    ‘Before we went over, we had one fellow that decided days before we left that he wasn’t going. He was a national serviceman too. But the simple fact is he was just handed over to a civil affairs unit at home in Townsville to deal with. But he just declined to go.’

    You noble victim, you.

  66. ‘Before we went over, we had one fellow that decided days before we left that he wasn’t going. He was a national serviceman too. But the simple fact is he was just handed over to a civil affairs unit at home in Townsville to deal with. But he just declined to go.’

    And?
    He was lucky.
    The unit decision didn’t become public, unlike another case. (p 272)
    BTW, I’m not a victim.
    I’m a survivor.

  67. notafan

    Already refuted Maj

    At the phillycatholiclife.org link

  68. thefrollickingmole

    BTW, I’m not a victim.
    I’m a survivor.

    Good lord.
    What a massive wanker you are.

  69. Zatara

    So Ben Dover is a pilot too!

    As am I.

    I’ve got more time inverted than numbers had in uniform.

    Not a huge amount of course, but one deals with the measure at hand.

  70. Cassie of Sydney

    “BTW, I’m not a victim.
    I’m a survivor.”

    No…..you’re a parasite and a racist.

  71. BrettW

    Talking of vaccines, remember the hot one a few months ago was Remsevidir made by Gilead. That was the one that USA bought up a few months worth of production.

    Funny how nobody mentions that recently WHO said it does not work against the virus ! ( see Gillead entry at Wikipedia).

    There is money to be made in pharma even when the product does not work.

  72. Maj

    Already refuted Maj

    At the phillycatholiclife.org link

    Please do your own research instead of letting phillycatholiclife.org tell you what to think.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    Coles is dicking around with their sausages, Bruce.

    This sort of experimentation is fun Calli! Although sometimes you can be left with a lemon.
    The classic beef thin sausages sell out often. They grill up well and are yummy.
    So last time they sold out I bought the Coles thin BBQ sausages.
    Utterly awful. Like they’re made of tofu with meat flavoring.
    Today I wasn’t surprised to find a vast number of aspirational BBQ sausages and none of the good ones.

  74. herodotus

    Any more talk like that and Hairy will shift us to Uruguay.
    They have meat and three more pieces of meat with each meal. No vegies.

    Meat is the new veg.

  75. Zatara

    Funny how nobody mentions that recently WHO said it does not work against the virus !

    You know what’s really funny? China apparently already has a vaccine…

    But the WHO is demanding that the US manufacturers release theirs without any inventors rights protection.

  76. notafan

    Lol.

    You mean like picking and choosing which internet articles suit you.

    I’m pretty happy with the advise from the academy.

    Being a Catholic and all.

  77. calli

    I’m going back to Bush’s porkies, Bruce. Perfection, but only available in select locations since the company fled the big centres.

    The Beloved is on a mission to Bush’s at Gordon on his next Sydney trip. Big Esky and all.

  78. JC

    Talking of vaccines, remember the hot one a few months ago was Remsevidir made by Gilead.

    That was a treatment. Rem was never a vax.

  79. kaysee

    What’s Not Being Said About the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. “Human Guinea Pigs”?

    The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is experimental and far from guaranteed safe, despite the fact that Pfizer, the EU and the notorious Dr Tony Fauci seem ready to roll it out even before year end to hundreds of millions of humans.

    The experimental technology is based on a rather new gene manipulation known as gene editing. In a major article in the 2018 New York Council on Foreign Relations magazine, Foreign Affairs, Bill Gates effusively promoted the novel gene editing CRISPR technology as being able to “transform global development.” He noted that his Gates Foundation had been financing gene editing developments for vaccines and other applications for a decade.

    But is the technology for breaking and splicing of human genes so absolutely safe that it is worth risking on a novel experimental vaccine never before used on humans? Contrary to what Bill Gates claims, the scientific answer is no, it is not proven so safe.

  80. Maj

    Being a Catholic and all.

    If you are a a real (conservative) Catholic, you shouldn’t be relying on anything out of phillycatholiclife.org without knowing about the bloke who’s in charge there.

    This should be ringing big alarm bells:

    I am told by people who know Perez that he is very much in the style of Jorge Bergoglio

  81. Leigh Lowe

    Zatara

    #3667743, posted on November 22, 2020 at 6:37 pm

    So Ben Dover is a pilot too!

    As am I.

    I’ve got more time inverted than numbers had in uniform.

    I have some inverted time too.
    Some of it was even intentional.

  82. JC

    Interesting chart. The bigger the central bank balance sheet, the lower the inflation rate.

    Have a looksee

  83. notafan

    Sure he’s straight up lying.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    Meat is the new veg.

    Remember the ads saying “feed the man meat”?
    The Left would go insane if one was aired nowadays.
    Eleven-level Gaia-hating misogyny!

    ‘Feed the man meat’: gendered food and theories of consumption (JCU, 1999)

    LOL, even in 1999 the ads were considered paleo-unwoke. Wow.

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    Malcolm Turnbull is schmoozing to GetUp, the same far-left organisation that ran a campaign against the Liberal candidate Dave Sharma in Wentworth, against Tony Abbott in Warringah, against Peter Dutton in Dickson, against Nicolle Flint in Boothby, against Craig Kelly in Hughes, against Greg Hunt in Flinders.

    Who is s the most miserable ghost of all…Turnbull or Rudd? My money is on Turnbull. Rudd doesn’t shit on his own party.

    When will the Liberal party expel this maggot?

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting chart. The bigger the central bank balance sheet, the lower the inflation rate.

    Depends on the measure of inflation.
    I bought fish and chips today after church, first time for half a year or more on account of heinous bat crud preventing church. (We’re still not allowed to sing despite zero community cases for 14 days.)
    Anyway today fish and chips from hole in wall shop was $7.
    Last time, a bit over 6 months ago, it was $5.
    That works out as a 96% annual inflation rate.

  87. Mater

    Your credibility on the Vietnam conflict is nil.

    Bob, the sun even shines on a dog’s arse, once in a while. Make the most of what you obviously see as a win. Rather insignificant really, but good for you.

    As for credibility?
    I knew what a TAOR was.
    I knew Gil Green wasn’t a conscript.
    I knew Stan Larsson wasn’t a conscript and didn’t step on a mine.

    Most importantly, I don’t lie on this blog in an effort to win arguments, and I apologise and admit to mistakes when I make them. Clearly you forget that I corrected Hazmatic about a point of fact, but it didn’t negate his very significant evidence which put paid to your lies. Kev did the same to me this morning. You clearly do not deserve such fair minded treatment, as you’ve demonstrated that you’ll do nothing but weaponise it to further your multitude of lies, misrepresentations and evil agenda.

    If you think I’ll run off with my tail between my legs, think again. Your list of lies will continue to accrue and be posted. You will continue to be held to account for your bullshit.

    Let this be a lesson to all here on the blog. If you gift Bob so much as a piece of dental floss, he’ll try to strangle you with it. He stands as a constant reminder of what the left is, and what they’ll do to you, if given half a chance.
    They do not share our decency.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oh, and JC, the sign is different between Switzerland and Japan. The Swiss currently own quite a lot of Europe, since they’ve been trying to stop their currency appreciating for many years now. They do so by printing CHF and buying EU company shares. Japan prints Yen and buys Japanese firms. They currently own a rather large proportion of the Nikkei. One is not like the other.

  89. Tel

    Charcoal cooked Lebanese chicken has gone up by a couple of bucks in the past year or so.

    From approx $10 a chicken to $12 a chicken so put me down for 20% inflation.

    The NBN buggers are trying to move me from a $50 per month cheapskate ASDL to a $60 per month fiber to the node connection. Soon they will be insisting as the old links get decommissioned that happens to also exactly match the chicken inflation … so far I’m hanging in and resisting.

  90. kaysee

    1/ of 3

    This video has probably already been posted, so I won’t embed it here. It runs for an hour.

    Are We Being Told the Truth About COVID-19? | Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi

    Professor Bhakdi is a Thai-German specialist in microbiology and co-author of Corona, False Alarm?: Facts and Figures.
    On another forum, a commenter has jotted notes from the interview. Since some of you have problems with links, I’m pasting the notes here. (Formatting is the same as the commenter’s)

    (Moneycircus in offGuardian)

    Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi (notes from interview Nov 11, 2020)

    When someone tests positive we say they tested positive for Covid-19 but that is the disease, not the virus, which is Sars-CoV-2. That’s the first problem. Secondly, it was termed new, when neither the disease nor the virus is new because coronaviruses have been with us forever.

    These viruses co-exist with us. Every few months they mutate so that my immune system will accept them, otherwise they would be recognized on the second visit and be shut out. So it is completely normal that the most successful viruses in the world, which keep the host alive, which don’t want to kill us, change a little all the time.

    When the number of cases falls below a certain level, you must stop testing. Because if you keep testing people who are not infected, you are going to get more false positives than positives. Many labs in Germany were creating artifacts in the lab through poor procedures. They created a cluster of 60 people in Bavaria. On retesting it turned out 58 were clear.

    Scenario two is immunity. The science is very fuzzy. One arm is the antibody that catches the virus before it attaches to the cell but this antibody fights one-to-one. It is a matter of numbers. The number of antibodies can become exhausted before more virus comes along.

    The whole idea of an immunity passport is stupid. Even if vaccinated and you have antibodies, you can only be protected if the number of viruses is low.

    Also antibodies peak after you are immunized but with time they decline. Your immune system does not do work unless there is a purpose. After two or three months, even with the passport, you are not immune.

  91. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh dear, the things I get wrong. It’s season 4 of The Crown, not 5. And talking with Hairy about the Duke of Edinburgh saying on the QT to Diana’s expressed desire to quit the family ‘you might live to regret that’ he points out to me that the script actually said ‘that may not end up well for you’. No wonder my conspiracy ears were alert. No ‘live to’ in that statement.

    Anyway, just read Delingpole’s review in the latest Speccie of the episodes leading up to the Charles and Di wedding. He accuses the scripting of being pinko, but still good, and said Di’s part was kittenishly superbly played. I concur with both of his observations there.

  92. miltonf

    When will the Liberal party expel this maggot?

    Does he have something on them or are they masochists?

  93. kaysee

    2/ of 3

    Our old antibodies are partially effective against new coronaviruses. Once the new virus enters our cells, waste products of the virus sit on the outside of the cell. The immune system’s second arm, the killer lymphocytes emerge.

    Lymphocytes spot the similarity of the new virus to the old and attack the cell. One killer lymphocyte can kill many viruses-infected cells.

    This is the body’s natural defenses. This is why more than 90% of people who are infected already have background immunity. Several recent reports have suggested people do have these lymphocytes and even those who don’t display them may have them ‘waiting in the wings’ in the lymph nodes.

    Vaccines against coronaviruses are unlikely to work and could be dangerous — especially if you put the gene of the virus into the body, supposedly to make your cells produce the characteristics of the virus against which the antibodies are supposed to act.

    These vaccines will create waste products and now the killer lymphocytes may start attacking healthy cells. I cannot prove this has happened but so many vaccines trials have had such serious side effects, pains, swelling, fever, muscle ache. The Astra Zeneca trial had to change its protocols before continuing which is not allowed.

    Then transverse myelitis emerged. There are reasons to suspect that the killer lymphocytes may have been triggered into an autoimmune attack.

  94. kaysee

    3/ of 3

    Secondly, suppose you have successfully generated antibodies but you have also reawakened those killer lymphocytes, like a boxer, you are stronger and ready for the next fight. Now when the real virus comes along, and overcomes the few antibodies that exist, you have so many killer lymphocytes ready for battle that they overdo it.

    This would be immune response dependent enhancement which ends in an over-strong immune response.

    How are they going to prove a virus is effective? If you are under 70 your chance of dying from this virus is minuscule. If you are losing 5 out of 10,000 lives how are you going to show that a vaccine saves lives? It’s not statistically significant.

    As for lockdown, they are killing people who are not diagnosed for cancer, heart disease, from depression, from suicide, and economic depression that causes poverty. They are killing far more than they save.

    Lawyers around the world are going to bring those people to justice. The first cases are currently being filed in Germany. I hope the right ones will be taken to court because what they are doing is criminal. It is not a matter of belief. We know people are dying around the world because of these lockdown measures. Millions of people are starving to death in India and other places.

    We should be taking about why and how has our society allowed these things to happen. How and why and we must get answer so this will never happen again.

  95. notafan

    This year I had flu vaccine and whooping cough to protect my grandchildren.

    I am most likely going to get coronavirus vaccine to protect vulnerable people in my family depending on how confident I am on outcome of trials.

  96. Let this be a lesson to all here on the blog. If you gift Bob so much as a piece of dental floss, he’ll try to strangle you with it. He stands as a constant reminder of what the left is, and what they’ll do to you, if given half a chance.

    Thus endeth today’s sermon.

    I knew what a TAOR was.

    So did I.
    I did two TAOR patrols, once on LOB, and once in Admin Coy.

    I knew Gil Green wasn’t a conscript.

    And?

    I knew Stan Larsson wasn’t a conscript and didn’t step on a mine.

    He clearly didn’t want to go to Vietnam.
    Read this.
    You might learn something.

  97. miltonf

    Call me obsessive but there is a lot that we haven’t been told re Trumble-HoWARd. As a formerly strong Liberal through the 80s and 90s, Trumble was a major adversary. What was really going on? What happened?

  98. notafan

    as for percentages. I’m not interested on ‘positive test to death percentages’ but ‘requires medical treatment to death percentage’.

    No doubt that people with serious comorbities are at real risk.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers – you are the most obsessed man I know. It’s Sunday. Chill. Go have a beer at the pub or something.

  100. miltonf

    I remember Trumble trough to 80s as an abrasive, supercilious, offensive little man.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Groom Blake Osgood at court in wedding clothes after alleged cop assault

    A chastened bridegroom was forced to face a Parramatta court today after being arrested outside his own wedding reception and charged with assaulting three police officers.
    Janet Fife-Yeomans
    November 22, 2020 – 1:50PM
    The Daily Telegraph

    Chastened bridegroom Blake Osgood has spent his wedding night behind bars.

    The 26-year-old appeared at Parramatta Bail Court this morning still in his wedding trousers and what was once a crisp white shirt after being arrested last night outside the wedding reception at the Elouera Surf Club.

    Police were called to the venue about 10.20pm yesterday after a brawl spilt out onto the footpath.

    Osgood, of Woolooware, spent last night in the cells at Surry Hills Police Station charged with three counts of assaulting three police officers in the execution of their duty, refusing to comply with direction and one count of hindering police and inciting another person to hinder police between 10.20pm and 11.45 pm.

    He was granted conditional bail to appear at Sutherland Local Court on December 8.

  102. rickw:

    Not a bad summary of the A340 that almost pranged @MEL:

    It’s the mistakes on the Left of the decimal point that are the killers, and the ones not found.
    There’s a bridge in the northern suburbs of Brisbane (On the Gateway Motorway, IIRC – it was 45 years ago.) The bridge had, of course already been built and the road was being constructed up to it. One of the grader drivers called in his supervisor and told him that the slope was wrong and that there was no way the the road was going to meet up with the bridge at that inclination.
    The surveyors were called back to check the levels, and the bridge was found to be exactly 1 meter too high.
    No problems, the gradient of the road was altered, but it shows the validity of the quote above.
    We won’t say anything about the Venus and Moon missions that were disasters because a + sign was substituted for a -.
    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/25845/quick-6-six-unit-conversion-disasters

  103. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bruce of Newcastle
    #3667787, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:22 pm
    Numbers – you are the most obsessed man I know. It’s Sunday. Chill. Go have a beer at the pub or something.”

    That would require the following two things sadly lacking in his life….

    1. a life; and
    2. friends.

    He has neither.

  104. Mater

    And?

    Possibly leave talk of credibility at the door.

    Your understanding of weapon drills are shit, you have no idea about danger close procedures and you have the dubious honour of having had a UD – something I’d not had in well over 15 years, in mostly operational units, with service in three separate theatres of war.

    Really, Bob? Bragging about having a UD? That’s the military equivalent of admitting to tongue kissing your sister.
    Your credibility as both a “seeker of truth” and a soldier, is in tatters.

  105. kaysee

    Bridget Sakr reaches out to grieving families

    Bridget Sakr, whose 11-year-old daughter Veronique was killed by a drunk driver earlier this year, has launched a weekly prayer gathering for families experiencing grief.

    “I wanted to create something that would honour Veronique through helping people in their grief and suffering,” Ms Sakr told The Catholic Weekly.

    “My faith is what keeps carrying me through this, it is my faith that gets me out of bed and tells me that I’m going to see my daughter because there is eternal life,” she said. “And what also continues to uphold me through each day is the love and support of so many people.”

    Last month Ms Sakr launched heartFELT (which stands for Families Experiencing Loss and Trauma) with support from the Grief Care team at Catholic Cemeteries and Crematoria. A weekly online prayer gathering, heartFELT includes time for meditation on a theme, discussion, and prayers led by Bridget.

  106. dopey

    Emirates A340 pilots returned to Dubai as passengers on a later flight. Resignation letters already written for them, all they had to do was sign. I think one was Danish, the other Canadian.

  107. Rockdoctor

    Groom Blake Osgood at court in wedding clothes after alleged cop assault

    Roid or amphetamines rage? Or both?

  108. kaysee

    CBS News

    The grand opening of an In-N-Out Burger in Aurora, Colo., on Friday resulted in fast food pandemonium: local officials estimated a “12-hour” wait time.

  109. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    chillout and scotch time. an oldie but a goodie

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cafe Bruce news. Two fun events. As Calli observed this morning the koels have been elsewhere mostly, but yesterday one female arrived at the Cafe, a previous patron from February. I put out some mince, which she ate. Big impression made, despite two whole trees full of Port Jackson figs within 50 metres. Yum! So today she accepted a bit of mince from the extreme end of my fingers. A very pretty lady koel she is, with a rufous hairdo. A ranga! Most female koels are dark brown on top.

    Sadly the two tame males of last year seem not to’ve made it. Migration is tough.

    And second bit of entertainment at lunchtime. The head waiter was providing bits of bread to noisies for some while when one of the blue-faced honeyeater kids decided enough was enough. She landed on a twig 6 inches from my nose and said WEEP! Which means “I’m hungry” in blue-face. So I gave her several bits of bread, and she flew off happy.

  111. Leigh Lowe

    dopey

    #3667803, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:44 pm

    Emirates A340 pilots returned to Dubai as passengers on a later flight. Resignation letters already written for them, all they had to do was sign. I think one was Danish, the other Canadian.

    Yes, I see the facetious remark about landing an A340 in a paddock, but the point is valid for all aviation – robotic switch flickers and checklist reciters end up in strife.
    A long haul flight with a gross weight with a “2” in front of it should have immediately rung alarm bells.

  112. Zippy:

    vaccine hesitancy

    Now there’s another term of bastardisation of the English language.
    Really, “vaccine hesitancy” is just another way of saying “Fuck off, you Nazi turd.”

  113. Shy Ted

    Ooh, look at the fillums on 73 tonight. 8.30 RAMBOB: FIRST BLOOD 2. Rambob returns to the jungles of Vietnam on a mission to infiltrate an enemy base-camp and fold their sheets, surviving only on jellybeans.
    Followed by
    10.30 RAMBOB 3. Rambob mounts a one-man mission to rescue his friend Colonel monty from the clutches of the formidable lying liars of Catallaxyfiles, surviving only on jellybeans.

  114. Boambee John

    kaysee

    The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is experimental and far from guaranteed safe, despite the fact that Pfizer, the EU and the notorious Dr Tony Fauci seem ready to roll it out even before year end to hundreds of millions of humans.

    The experimental technology is based on a rather new gene manipulation known as gene editing.

    I wonder what the anti-GMO campaigners will say about this? Frankenvax?

    I would be very cautious about taking such a vaccine without extended testing.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Numbers – you are the most obsessed man I know. It’s Sunday. Chill. Go have a beer at the pub or something.’

    Just came back from the pub. Had a drink.

    With my friends.

  116. Boambee John

    Let this be a lesson to all here on the blog. If you gift Bob so much as a piece of dental floss, he’ll try to strangle you with it. He stands as a constant reminder of what the left is, and what they’ll do to you, if given half a chance.
    They do not share our decency.

    Mater

    Sad, but true. A couple of years ago (perhaps more) I defended his Vietnam service here. a couple of days later he was slinging gratuitous insults at me.

    Now he just gets insults. He is incorrigible, and deserving only of insults.

  117. Pedro the Loafer

    Just came back from the pub. Had a drink.

    -KD.

    Me too.

    We wheat farmers are a thirsty lot. 🙂

    * looks slyly over shoulder to make sure real farmers Zulu or Farmer Gez are not arout to blow my cover*

  118. Pedro the Loafer

    *around* dammit.

  119. Boambee John

    miltonf
    #3667789, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:23 pm
    I remember Trumble trough to 80s as an abrasive, supercilious, offensive little man.

    So you saw his good side?

  120. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    * looks slyly over shoulder to make sure real farmers Zulu or Farmer Gez are not arout to blow my cover*

    Pedro, after a humongous win over the Taxation Office, and an excellent lunch in the Swan Valley, I’m prepared to be charitable to most people, certainly your good self!

  121. rickw

    A long haul flight with a gross weight with a “2” in front of it should have immediately rung alarm bells.

    When I managed the fuelling in Cairns one of the blokes put 16,000L on an International. Where are you guys going? Hong Kong. Don’t think you’re going to make it…..

    l think it was a 767 that had USG in the cockpit and Litres on the fuelling panel. They were roughly a factor of 4 out.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    No work tomorrow. Not official work anyway.

    Thinking seriously about an Archer marathon.

  123. EvilElvis

    Thinking seriously about an Archer marathon.

    Just done the last season.

    I now need something to fill the hole.

  124. Boambee John

    dopey
    #3667803, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:44 pm
    Emirates A340 pilots returned to Dubai as passengers on a later flight. Resignation letters already written for them, all they had to do was sign. I think one was Danish, the other Canadian.

    Reminds me of flying into Heathrow in the 1970s, on Olympic Airways (don’t ask why Olympic, you will re-traumatise me). After takeoff, the usual chatter from “your captain on the flight deck”, in a broad American accent. Irishman sitting next to me leans over and comments “That’s an American. Greek airlines don’t pay well. Yank flying Greek must be a rotten pilot”.

    Others seemed to agree. As we approached Heathrow in drizzling rain, there was a mighty thump as the wheels went down. The cabin pressure seemed to drop a couple of PSI, as around 150 people simultaneously sucked in a deep breath.

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    Today in 1986 – Trevor Berbick was sat on his arse by Mike Tyson.

    Earlier, in 1981 he had the dubious honour of ending Ali’s career. After Tyson sorted him out he was very nasty indeed to his children’s babysitter and had to live in Canadaland.

    Served him right too.

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I now need something to fill the hole.’

    PHRASING.

    h/t Archer

  127. kaysee

    I would be very cautious about taking such a vaccine without extended testing.

    BJ, I have no plans to take any covid-related vaccine. Not for the next five years.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    l think it was a 767 that had USG in the cockpit and Litres on the fuelling panel. They were roughly a factor of 4 out.

    He, he.
    The old unit of measure problem.
    I can imagine them reaching cruise (after being a little surprised at how quickly they reached V1 on tthe deck) just starting to relax and run through some routine checks.
    Scans fuel quantity gauges.
    Taps fuel quantity gauges (no point with a modern flight display, but you do anyway).
    Fuck!
    FAAAARRRRK!!

  129. kaysee

    Ponderable Points 🐻
     
    One
     
    Two

  130. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking of units of measure in aviation, when Gough decided he would drop Imperial measures in favour of Metric, his Metric Stormtroopers tried to insist that altimeters would be calibrated in metres rather than feet.
    They took a lot of convincing that Australian airlines running on metres AMSL and international flights sharing the same airspace running on feet AMSL could be fraught with danger.

  131. Jo

    The only conflict spud was involved with was the great blanket entanglement. 1- nil to the blankets.

  132. BrettW

    Bolts latest column takes aim at the officers.

    What lucky army bosses! Australian soldiers commit the worst war crimes in our living history but not one of their commanders is blamed. The buck stops with the sergeants, not the officers, who we’re told didn’t know that 25 of their men allegedly murdered 39 Afghan civilians and prisoners in cold blood.
    As last week’s shocking report for the Inspector-General of our defence force put it: “The criminal behaviour of a few was commenced, committed, continued and concealed at the patrol commander level, that is, at corporal or sergeant level.”

    But their officers knew nothing: “The inquiry has found no evidence that there was knowledge of, or reckless indifference to, the commission of war crimes, on the part of commanders at troop/platoon, squadron/company or task group headquarters level, let alone at higher levels such as Commander Joint Task Force 633.” Those Joint Task Force commanders — running our Afghanistan operation from a base safely in the United Arab Emirates — “did not have the degree of command and control” over the special operations soldiers doing most of our killing and 60 per cent of our dying in combat.

    Pardon? Then what did those commanders do to deserve the Distinguished Service Cross out there in Abu Dhabi for “leadership in action” while most of those 39 alleged murders were perpetrated? Yes, the DSC was given to each of the Joint Task Force commanders from 2009 to 2013 — Mark Kelly, John Cantwell, Stuart Smith and Angus Campbell, now our Defence Force chief.

    These were medals for “action” which was actually done mostly by soldiers who these commanders were — so we’re told now it’s gone wrong — “not positioned, organisationally or geographically, to influence and control”. In which case, why not? Why were these commanders not “positioned” to control just what was done by the special forces they relied upon to do most of the killings of the Taliban terrorists?

    There was nothing more sensitive — or more likely to go wrong — in all our operations in Afghanistan than what was demanded from these soldiers, and especially our Special Air Service Regiment.Our politicians didn’t want to get too involved in this war. Just enough to make the US grateful. So most of the 26,000 uniformed soldiers we sent there were kept largely out of harm’s way, while the special forces were ordered out again and again “beyond the wire” to kill Taliban targets.

    Do you know what it takes to spend months on end in hostile territory, where every unarmed civilian could be a Taliban spotter, and every child a suicide bomber? Where pity can get you killed? Where your mates have died, and only your mates will save you? Can you imagine the kind of men you need to handle such work? So it’s no surprise that such pressure in an elite unit can produce a “warrior” mentality, particularly under a charismatic sergeant or corporal.

    But who sent these soldiers out there, under such conditions? Who failed to check closely enough for signs of stress and indiscipline? Who failed to question the high kill rates of one particular squadron, now disbanded in disgrace? Many SAS soldiers were in fact disgusted by the murders. This inquiry would have found nothing had they not spoken out. But it took some of them years to trust that the army would want the truth. That’s one reason this inquiry took four years to investigate.

    Whose responsibility is that culture of distrust if not that of the generals? This report, by Justice Paul Brereton, does not let off the generals and their officers completely.Brereton said more senior commanders “bear moral responsibility and accountability for what happened”. They too easily accepted lies. Were too protective of their men.

    But some soldiers say stronger stuff. Even Brereton concedes: “Many people spoke of how widespread the knowledge of wrongdoing was, making it very difficult to believe that the lack of oversight can be put down to simple disinterest.” Former SAS sergeant Mack McCormack is more blunt: “For Angus Campbell to suggest the officers didn’t know and that this was happening on the periphery, and they weren’t aware, that is a total impossibility and that is the Officers’ Club door slamming shut on the guys who do the work.”

    So let’s not turn only on a few soldiers.This goes higher. It goes to the leaders who put men under greater pressure than almost any of us will know, and now feign shock that some cracked.

  133. rickw

    Speaking of units of measure in aviation, when Gough decided he would drop Imperial measures in favour of Metric, his Metric Stormtroopers tried to insist that altimeters would be calibrated in metres rather than feet.

    If we hadn’t have gone metric then the Anglosphere could have / would have only one system of measurement and two systems of fasteners. More than one tower crane fell over because of a metric / imperial nut / bolt mix up.

  134. rickw

    Oh, and the whole petrochemical industry works off imperial anyway because the ANSI flange system and NPT pipe thread system are great, the British equivalents not so great, and who the hell cares what the Germans and French are doing.

  135. rickw

    So let’s not turn only on a few soldiers.This goes higher. It goes to the leaders who put men under greater pressure than almost any of us will know, and now feign shock that some cracked.

    Where and what exactly is the evidence? If this all hinges off the testimony of Afghan’s then the whole thing is complete BS. As for the ADF personnel my guess is that there’s a bit of context having gone missing, if it was that bad, then why the hell didn’t you put your hand up there and then? They all get plenty of training on illegal orders.

  136. EvilElvis

    PHRASING.

    h/t Archer

    Are we still doing that?

    😂

  137. rickw

    David Wood / Candice Owens / Mohammed. Quite an act!

  138. rickw

    David Wood / Candice Owen / Mo. Quite an act!

  139. Leigh Lowe

    rickw

    #3667891, posted on November 22, 2020 at 9:31 pm

    Oh, and the whole petrochemical industry works off imperial anyway because the ANSI flange system and NPT pipe thread system are great, the British equivalents not so great, and who the hell cares what the Germans and French are doing.

    Oh, and we could start on the commonality of NATO military kit.
    Still, they’ve only had 70 years to work at that …

  140. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From BrettW at 9:22 pm:

    “Bolts latest column takes aim at the officers.

    What lucky army bosses! Australian soldiers commit the worst war crimes in our living history but not one of their commanders is blamed. … “

    This is Andrew Bolt’s firm position on Sunday.

    A couple of angry phone calls to his editor from a vewy furious lower case defense ministerette and readers will be able to read his revised firm position on Monday.

  141. Dot

    Jesus Christ man.

    The metric system is the tool of the devil!

  142. Rex Anger

    The metric system is the tool of the devil!

    Only when the nut or bolt is marginally smaller or slightly larger than the appropriate tool (In either gauge).

    More importantly, since when did our ‘EdewKayShon’ system teach us fractions after Year 3?
    It’s all decimals in the great wasteland of the post-Metric world, baby…

  143. Eyrie

    Don’t forget the Canadian 767 that ran out of gas because of confusion between pounds and kilograms.
    Now in Australia we measure altitude in feet, plan flights in nautical miles, fuel is in liters and distance from cloud horizontally is in meters. Except for glider pilots where planned distances are in kilometers. Great huh?

  144. Dot

    You have to do fractions in algebra, trig and calculus, and in stats and lin. alg.

  145. Eyrie

    There are two kinds of countries, those that have landed men on the Moon and those that use the metric system.

  146. Rex Anger

    You have to do fractions in algebra, trig and calculus, and in stats and lin. alg.


    That’s not how you do Math! 🤣🤣🤣

  147. I remember year 9 engineering. Using lathes with taps and dies. They were the imperial measures, didn’t know any different. They had a chart for conversion to metric but was rarely consulted. We only turned out simple things like a plumbob and a mallet. Good times

  148. Rex Anger

    There are two kinds of countries, those that have landed men on the Moon and those that use the metric system.

    [Whimsy] So how do you explain filching the expertise of people who only knew theetric system to put men on the Moon? 🤔 [/Whimsy]

    Now in Australia we measure altitude in feet, plan flights in nautical miles, fuel is in liters and distance from cloud horizontally is in meters. Except for glider pilots where planned distances are in kilometers. Great huh?

    But this I am familiar with. I know (and prefer) my boiler and air pressures in PSI, measure my boiler water in Litres, measure boiler treatment in millilitres, vacuum in inches of mercury amd distances in kilometres.

    When I tried to operate locomotives in South Africa, I had to recalibrate my brain exclusively to kPa. Only to them get further confused when I worked with Belgian and Dutch crews who measure their pressures in bar (which is basically knock a zero off your kPa, but still flummoxong to discuss when you’re calibrated to PSI…)

    Metric- One of France’s world-changing inventions. Right up there with Napoleon, Socialism, Rosseau, Foucault, Derrida and Robespierre; Pouffy wigs; That horrible haircut their aristocracy inflicted on that otherwise eminently practical gundog, the Poodle; Citroën cars; Peugeots; Obscure rifle calibres; Shitty Modernist ‘art’ and the Leclerc MBT…

  149. cohenite

    Time for some steamy book titles:

    I Hook for Books: wanton women work the streets to feed their desperate reading addiction.
    Swamp Bred: she was more dangerous than the sharp toothed gators.
    Farm Hussy: she turned all the men into bantam roosters when she played the birds and the bees.
    Slay Ride: the dame was dynamite and he was the fuse.

  150. Bruce in WA

    Training for my PPL in Broome, 1975.

    Coming back to land, instructor sideslipped us down north Cable Beach so we could see the nudies (lots more bush in those days).

    Grumman Tracker from HMAS Nowhere-in-Particular slipped below us to land.

    Then dobbed us in for being below minimum height.

    Arseholes.

  151. Knuckle Dragger

    Late news.

    2000 people killed by Al-YouKnowWhat this year alone in the run up to elections shortly. Not gummint soldiers, normal people.

    I’m amazed this made it to the news at all.

    Perhaps it should receive a wider audience. For, you know, perspective.

  152. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    For anyone who has been following the openAI GPT-3 story, openAI are starting to train GPT on images. I think we are still a good couple of orders of magnitude of computer power away from general AI, which in real terms is probably only a decade or two away. Clear to me once GPT works on video the way it works on text, we are 90% of the way towards the singularity.

    OpenAI is Elon Musk’s baby and is the closest anyone has come to general AI, beating out google and microsoft by a mile. Musk for all his shortcomings is a true visionary. SpaceX is miles ahead of Bezo. Starlink will work on the back of SpaceX, where Bill Gates global internet failed. Tesla is 99% of the way towards self driving cars. The man is a legend.

  153. DrBeauGan

    Your lame pics don’t work, Mark A!

  154. Bruce in WA

    Biggest regret? Didn’t finish my PPL.

    Teachers were then by far the lowest paid govt employees in the Kimberley.

  155. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Your lame pics don’t work, Mark A!

    works for me

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Your lame pics don’t work, Mark A!

    No problem with me!

  157. Steve trickler

    Some of biggest morons exist on Hay Street in Perth. The product that occupies both stations. Disgusting individuals.

    Mills and Zemplias,

    Liars and bullshit artists. Disgusting individuals, 6PR has on the books.

    The receptionist at 196.1 FM Perth. Total fucking moron! She pretends to be relevant.

    ECU trained journos. Hello, Jo!

  158. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3667994, posted on November 22, 2020 at 11:45 pm

    Your lame pics don’t work, Mark A!

    Hmmm try again, but worked for me.
    Always check my links before posting, if it is still a no go I don’t know what the problem is?
    Apologies.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce in WA

    #3667995, posted on November 22, 2020 at 11:46 pm

    Biggest regret? Didn’t finish my PPL.

    Teachers were then by far the lowest paid govt employees in the Kimberley.

    It has never been cheap.
    Flying schools like to use “an abundance of caution” if they think you can pay for an extra few dual lessons.
    Particularly when they are losing money on scores of Asian students on a fixed fee to take them to PPL only to find that “proficient in English” means “no speaka da English”.
    But the dilemma comes once you get qualified. If you can’t find a use for it or can’t justify the spend it is hard to keep up enough time to be safe.

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway, Sliante to all on the Cat. I have lunched, wined and dined very well. I have had a monumental win over the mob of mentally deficient baboons that comprise the Australian Tax Office, and I have worshiped at the shrine of Saint Daniel Murphy!

    “Wha’s there like us!

    Damn few

    And they’re all dead!”

  161. Bruce in WA

    But the dilemma comes once you get qualified. If you can’t find a use for it or can’t justify the spend it is hard to keep up enough time to be safe.

    Indeed. Why my wife let hers lapse.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mark A, I like the one about a lion never loosing sleep over the opinions of sheep. That’s one for the poolroom wall.

  163. Bruce in WA

    Goodnight all. Black dog here again tonight with very sharp teeth. Time for a sleeping tablet and hope life is brighter in the morning.

  164. JC

    Okay, the fire truck is making another outing .

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Goodnight all. Black dog here again tonight with very sharp teeth

    Mate, all the best with the black dog. Been there, done that. Brought the “T” shirt. Fvcking thing didn’t fit, so I gave it to the Salvos.

  166. Bruce in WA

    Mate, all the best with the black dog. Been there, done that. Brought the “T” shirt. Fvcking thing didn’t fit, so I gave it to the Salvos.

    Thanks, mate. Goodnight.

  167. Mark A

    Thanks Tom.
    Now to break the early morning silence on the blog, here are some smart kid’s replies.

  168. Bibi getting in on the ground floor with Biden and the Democrats.
    He will probably be about as influential as he was last time.

    If Netanyahu’s warning to Biden that the U.S. “must not” rejoin the JCPOA signals the start of a concerted campaign, it could have a similar boomerang effect. If there’s anyone that can galvanize Democrats to push Biden to try and rejoin the nuclear deal ASAP, it is Netanyahu. Many Democrats view the prime minister not only as the man who disrespected Obama but far worse, adroitly pressing Trump’s buttons in order to get him to abandon the deal, mainly out of spite.

  169. 132andBush

    Many Democrats view the prime minister not only as the man who disrespected Obama

    Jeez, can’t be disrespecting our dear leaders can we.

    Especially if one is a D e w .

  170. Your understanding of weapon drills are shit, you have no idea about danger close procedures and you have the dubious honour of having had a UD – something I’d not had in well over 15 years, in mostly operational units, with service in three separate theatres of war.

    That must be why you were only issued with blanks.
    It’s called an abundance of caution.
    What with your anger issues and all….

  171. Daily dose of Covid 19.

    USA –
    Total deaths – 262,279
    New deaths – 489
    Deaths per million – 791

    Argentina –
    Total deaths – 36,902
    New deaths – 0
    Deaths per million – 814

    Brazil –
    Total deaths – 169,022
    New deaths – 6
    Deaths per million – 793

    Poland –
    Total deaths – 14,277
    New deaths – 38
    Deaths per million – 170

    Iran –
    Total deaths – 44,802
    New deaths – 475
    Deaths per million – 531

  172. rickw

    It’s called an abundance of caution.

    Numbers, you’re the only person I know of that has had a UD, and then blamed the typing pool.

    That puts you at a stratospheric level of incompetence (UD) and a stratospheric level of fuckwittery (blaming admin).

    The root cause of the UD is most likely you being an untrainable fuckwit who always knows best.

  173. Interesting piece by Ian Verrender –

    There’s one commodity conspicuously absent from Beijing’s hit list of Australian exports.

    Iron ore is the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. Every time the country encounters another financial hiccup, Beijing opens the stimulus floodgates, pouring cash through the banking system and ramping up infrastructure spending.

    China’s great urban expansion depends almost solely upon iron ore. And for that, it depends upon us.

    While a major iron ore producer itself, China’s supplies of the key steel-making ingredient are low grade and expensive. In fact, material shipped out of the Pilbara in Western Australia can be landed at Chinese ports at lower cost than local supplies.

    In the year to June, we provided 62 per cent of China’s iron ore imports. Brazil came in as the second biggest supplier with around 21 per cent.

    That puts Australia in rather a unique strategic position. Without our raw material, China’s economy would take a near terminal hit, a fact that wouldn’t have gone unnoticed in Washington.

  174. Mater

    Good morning, Bob.
    Remember yesterday when I said that your big gob and your tendency to stack lies upon lies was your greatest enemy?

    Let me demonstrate:

    1735099
    #3667784, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    I did two TAOR patrols, once on LOB, and once in Admin Coy

    OK, one when you were LOB from one of your Battalions first operations and another after you ran back to the Q Store. Got it!

    1735099
    #3289349, posted on January 11, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    I was one of three ex-rifle company soldiers in Q Platoon in the later stages of my stint in SVN.
    We would fairly frequently go on TAOR patrols around Nui Dat.

    Frequent? One?
    Ohhhh, Ok. You write for an audience.

    Hang on!
    We’re you even in Nui Dat to do these frequent “TAOR patrols around Nui Dat” “in the later stages of [your] stint in SVN”?

    I was very pleased (and surprised) at the end of June to be posted to Q platoon, Admin Company…As it turned out, in short order I was posted out to the Horseshoe to run the Q unit out there, so I didn’t stay in the Dat for long. When the QM discovered I was a teacher in civvie street, and could operate a 16mm projector, I also took over showing late run films to the diggers.”

    And from your own blog, again.

    “I remembered the Horseshoe (because I spent about two months there late in my tour), Nui Dat (obviously), Vung Tau (where we went on R & C) and Saigon (where I was lucky enough to spend a week on Saigon Guard in November).”

  175. Albatross

    1735099
    #3668074, posted on November 23, 2020 at 6:55 am
    Interesting piece by Ian Verrender –

    Noting that fraud writes is interesting. Much like yourself, Bob.

  176. Ohhhh, Ok. You write for an audience.

    Yep.
    Even the likes of you, in the faint hope that you might learn something.
    You are actually one of my best promoters.
    I’ve sold quite a few to people who post here.
    I notice you haven’t taken up my suggestion of putting in an order yet.
    Never mind…

  177. Cassie of Sydney

    Toowoomba Covid Alert!

    Here’s the Daily Toowoomba tally…courtesy of Shy Ted.

    Daily dose of Covid – 19.
    Toowoomba –
    Total dead – 0 (damn)
    Brain dead – 1
    Morally dead – 1

    We live in hope. One day….one day.

  178. Cassie of Sydney

    Good morning to the racist.

  179. Albatross

    By the way Bob, you fat idiot, if you actually read the posts here instead of furiously shit-posting over the top of everyone, you might have noticed I made the same observation as your false idol Verrender weeks ago:

    Albatross
    #3646144, posted on November 5, 2020 at 12:34 pm
    They still need our steel I see.

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/11/04/us-election-thread-2020/comment-page-11/#comment-3646144

    How about you just shut up and listen for a while you boring old dullard?

  180. Mater

    You are actually one of my best promoters.
    I’ve sold quite a few to people who post here.

    I hope not, for your sake. There seems to be a clear difference between what you post here and what is stated in your ‘memoir’.
    Are you selling it as fiction?

  181. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #3668064, posted on November 23, 2020 at 6:29 am
    Bibi getting in on the ground floor with Biden and the Democrats.”

    Oh dear….the racist starts the day with another one of his fetishes….what are they again….yes….

    Joooos, Vietnam, Covid.

    What was that about “Holocaust relativism” again. Note that yesterday the racist got comprehensively smacked down by his own many statements cheapening the Holocaust. Of course, unlike Mater…who has decency and integrity, the racist would never apologise or man up for for being incorrect. Why would he? He’s wrong here everyday and gets smacked down everyday.

  182. Albatross

    With all the money Bob’s made from his books he can buy a car freshener to hang in his bucket-of-bolts rice-wagon to cover up the smell of mothballs and poo.

  183. sfw

    Flying Clubs are dying all over the US and I suppose here as well. Young people just aren’t that interested in flying for a job much less as a hobby. I’ve spoken to many kids about this and not one of them has said that flying interests them and it would be ok to be a commercial pilot but just ‘ok’. I don’t know if a cost thing or that to them flying is just a way to get around. I must admit flying has never really interested me as an activity, the only flying that I reckon would any fun would be fighter jets, and I’d never be good enough for that but flying the aircraft equivalent of an F1 car and paid to do it would be very cool.

  184. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’ve sold quite a few to people who post here.”

    Another lie.

  185. Numbers, you’re the only person I know of that has had a UD, and then blamed the typing pool.

    Typical of those posting here who have absolutely no idea about the recent past.
    There were no typing pools in Infantry Battalions in 1970.
    There were orderly rooms with clerks, but no typing pools.
    Mater would be up you like a rat up a drainpipe for using such inappropriate terminology.

    They do have something similar these days.
    I visited the 7RAR base at Edinburgh at our reunion in 2015, and was shown around a setup which included numbers of soldiers sitting behind monitors which resembled typing pools as I remembered them when I started work (at age 15) in 1963 at Forestry HQ in George St, Brisbane.
    The most surprising thing was that most of the soldiers in that room were female.
    Never happened in my day…

  186. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself.

    — Thomas Paine

  187. Albatross

    You can tell the size of ‘ol Bullshittin’ Bob’s lie by the length of the post in response to someone calling him out. This one’s a regular porkie.

  188. will

    1735099
    #3668074, posted on November 23, 2020 at 6:55 am
    Interesting piece by Ian Verrender –

    There’s one commodity conspicuously absent from Beijing’s hit list of Australian exports.
    Iron ore is the lifeblood of the Chinese economy. and expensive.
    That puts Australia in rather a unique strategic position. Without our raw material, China’s economy would take a near terminal hit, a fact that wouldn’t have gone unnoticed in Washington.

    It would not go unnoticed by Donald John, the most intelligent President in a generation. Probably the only President who understands how to wield the US economic might as a foreign policy instrument. The rest of “Washington” including the demented corrupt pedo President in waiting, would not know or care, or have any clue.

  189. miltonf

    As more top Republicans speak out, one of Donald Trump’s top advisers has slammed the US President for his ongoing legal challenges over the US election result.

    More Murdoch Muck via the Hun.

  190. calli

    “Top” Republicans? Names please.

    We too have “lists”.

  191. Mater

    I’ve sold quite a few to people who post here.
    I notice you haven’t taken up my suggestion of putting in an order yet.
    Never mind…

    I’m sure you’d notice if I had.
    A single order for your ‘memoir’ would likely to stand out in an otherwise quiet online store.
    In order to disguise my identity, I’ve decided to put my order in when there’s a rush, so it mingles with the others.

    My finger is hovering over the [Return] key, as we speak….any minute now…soon…ready…ready…standby…

  192. miltonf

    Calli it’s deadshits like Christie.

  193. Mater

    Mater would be up you like a rat up a drainpipe for using such inappropriate terminology.

    Nah, I only ask that you actually know what the term means.

    I’ve sold quite a few to people who post here.

    Is that “quite a few” using the same measure as your “fairly frequent” TAOR patrols (which in reality turns out to be a solitary patrol)?

  194. Shy Ted

    Don’t do it, Mater. You’ll double his sales.

  195. miltonf

    It’s shitty Sunday morning TV time in the US.

  196. calli

    Calli it’s deadshits like Christie.

    Wow! Trump is bound to listen to him. 😀

  197. Mater

    Don’t do it, Mater. You’ll double his sales.

    Quite so.
    Sorry, Bob. No sale.
    In all good conscience, I can’t support you Capitalists.

  198. calli

    Unequal transactions must be outlawed, Mater. 🤣

    Interesting discussion last night about imperial and metric and relative advantages/disadvantages. My little hobby has me thinking and designing in imperial, but buying materials here in metric. It’s good to be bi-lingual.

  199. Eyrie

    Flying Clubs are dying all over the US and I suppose here as well. Young people just aren’t that interested in flying for a job much less as a hobby.

    Pretty much, sfw. I think private aviation as we know it is in terminal decline. Even gliding worldwide is dying. Takes much dedication, time and money to do it.
    As I see it the only hope is for aircraft to become much more useful. Distributed electric propulsion for VTOL with wings and piston engine for cruise looks good to me. Free of the need for airports and the horrendous mechanical complications and costs of helicopters, aircraft would be much more useful. Add some nice electronics and sensors and make the thing simple to fly. A 50mm cube should contain all of the processing and sensors for a quad redundant flight control system.
    I’m hoping someone will do a homebuilt to demonstrate the concept. Biggest problem will be regulatory for widespread adoption. Imagine having something that fits on a trailer, has two seats, you take to local park, takeoff and fly to destination. Put cursor on desired landing spot on screen. Let it land.
    I want one!

  200. Mater

    Unequal transactions must be outlawed, Mater. 🤣

    Thanks Calli. Yes, I nearly forgot about that little gem.

    Worth a revisit, me thinks:

    1735099
    #1032097, posted on October 11, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    Profits are made via charging more than it costs to manufacture products or services.
    Consumers are overcharged; employees are underpaid.
    Profits are the essence of unfair transactions.
    Riches cannot be made fairly.
    Wealth is created via unfair exchanges.

    Bob, do you sell your ‘memoir’ at cost?

  201. What a evil bastard to delight in the deaths of people. To have Andrew Cuomo as a figurehead. FMD

  202. 1735099

    Which in reality…

    I did three. Three is “frequent”.
    One as an LOB in May.
    That was the one when we encountered a group of woodcutters which we detained for most of the day.
    There was another when I arrived in Admin Coy.
    It was on return from that one that I had the AD.
    I had followed all the safety procedures but got the sequence wrong.
    The round went through the roof of the tent, because I pointed the muzzle in the air, as recommended.
    The tent used to leak a bit after that, but it was above my section mate’s bed, so I wasn’t bothered.
    When he complained, I was sympathetic, saying “It was probably some dickhead from 5 RAR”.
    5 RAR had occurred the lines before us.
    I remember the third TAOR, because I carried the radio with a tall antenna, and there was lots of lightning.
    That was a worry.
    TAORs were always a bit fraught, because they were cobbled up with a mixture of soldiers like me with rifle company experience, and Admin soldiers who were nominally trained on all the weapons used. I was a replacement in Q platoon for a digger who was RTA’d when his lower leg was mangled by an AD from the soldier behind him.
    This soldier had never carried an M-16 before, and had it set on full auto instead of safe. He tripped, and put half a mag through the leg of the man in front of him.
    They managed to save the leg, but it was touch and go.

  203. Farmer Gez

    In the year to June, we provided 62 per cent of China’s iron ore imports. Brazil came in as the second biggest supplier with around 21 per cent.

    That puts Australia in rather a unique strategic position. Without our raw material, China’s economy would take a near terminal hit, a fact that wouldn’t have gone unnoticed in Washington.

    Interesting and unsettling just like the Japanese need for iron ore in the 1930’s.
    The best use of steel for Australia is a US aircraft carrier fully armed and patrolling the neighbourhood.

  204. Arky

    35099
    #3668069, posted on November 23, 2020 at 6:45 am
    Daily dose of Covid 19

    ..
    All marxist atheists share a flippancy about the deaths of others.
    I have warned you: If there is any decency left in you, your death watch will be something you eventually regret, even if your silly provincialist bigotry leads you to enjoy gloating over an American death tally.

  205. Top Ender

    Ain’t multiculturalism grand?

    It’s not much to show for a life.

    At the sprawling, interconnected O’Callaghan Park sporting fields in Brisbane’s north, withered flowers and a couple of unopened beers are now the only reminders of the lethal, one-sided battle that happened here.

    Ten weeks ago, a group of young friends were playing cards and enjoying beers on a Sunday afternoon when they were allegedly ambushed by men armed with machetes, baseball bats and kitchen knives.

    In the alleged free-for-all attack that followed, Girum Mekonnen, a locally educated 19-year-old who dreamt of returning to his native Ethiopia to run a business, was stabbed several times and died on the spot. It was one of three connected acts of extreme violence in the space of a few weeks.

    In each, both the perpetrators and victims were young and of African descent, and the consequences were severe.

    Thirteen young men are now facing life imprisonment after being charged with Mekonnen’s murder, and at least 10 others are facing separate, serious criminal charges over the other incidents.

    It’s a significant toll on the families who came to Australia to pursue better opportunities for their children, only to see them hurt, locked up — or, in the case of Mekonnen, dead.

    Beny Bol, president of the Queensland African Communities Council, looks back and observes a common thread.

    “Most of those children involved in these sort of things are either born in Australia or they came here when they were very, very young, probably two or three years old,” Bol says.

    “Anybody who came here when they were … teenagers, they’re doing extremely well.

    “Most of these kids (in trouble) are Australian.

    “It is a failure within the Australian system – whether that’s family or community or the government service industries, it’s a failure within this country.”

    Queensland’s large and diverse African community, with many success stories, had never seen anything like those attacks.

    How to stop them happening again is now a key priority for Bol, a former refugee from South Sudan who has been in constant contact with affected families. ‘Hopelessly exposed’

    The incident police allege led to the O’Callaghan Park tragedy happened five days earlier and almost 45km away, at the Town Square shopping centre at Redbank Plains in Ipswich, west of Brisbane.

    At 8.30pm on Tuesday, September 8, startled shoppers and workers watched as a group of youths savagely bashed 21-yearold John Wal with baseball bats.

    “He was trying to get into the Woolworths,” a witness tells The Australian. “He just couldn’t get in

    – the automatic doors didn’t open quickly enough.”

    Wal’s family arrived in Australia from Sudan as refugees around 2003, when he was about four, court documents show.

    Why he was attacked remains unknown, but police allege Wal’s relatives and friends came to believe they knew who was involved.

    Police say there are a series of location-based alliances – groups from the north, south and Ipswich or “Swish”. Some are known to be engaging in violent anti-social behaviour and property offending.

    Wal’s family, from Ipswich, blamed people from Brisbane’s north, police allege.

    On Sunday, September 13, three carloads of men allegedly travelled in convoy from Redbank Plains to O’Callaghan Park in Zillmere, on Brisbane’s northern outskirts.

    Among them, police allege, were all four of Wal’s brothers: Yohana, 19, Kresto, 24, Gabreal, 27, and Santo, 32.

    Rose Mabior and Ayuong Awan were the only two women in a group of more than a dozen friends attacked at Zillmere.

    They would tell police – in statements obtained by The Australian — of the shock at recognising a family friend, a former schoolmate and acquaintances among the men who ambushed them.

    Mabior and Awan said they had spent the day on the deck of a green building resembling a tuckshop, next to a baseball field. They called it “the Zoo”.

    It was a few minutes’ walk from the North Star Football Club carpark and would leave them hopelessly exposed.

    As they listened to music, played cards and shared cartons of Coronas and Great Northerns and bottles of Canadian Club whisky, one of them posted a video on Snapchat. It may have led their attackers straight to them.

    Mabior said at about 5.20pm, one of the friends went to use the toilet. He returned almost immediately. “Guys, run,” he yelled.

    There was no time to react. Mabior said the attacking group appeared from both sides of the building, surrounding her own group. One of the men had a fluoro-green mask but she told the police she recognised him as someone who lived in the street behind hers, Alex Deng.

    He was allegedly leaning against a baseball bat and she only saw him watching.

    “I have known Alex for about seven or eight years. Alex comes to my house quite often,” she said.

    ‘This is for my brother’

    The next day, Deng jumped her fence and asked what happened. “Don’t act like you don’t know, you were there,” she replied. Both Mabior and Awan claimed in a police statement they recognised one of the men as a Wal brother they knew as “Junior”. “Junior was holding something long, possibly a machete or a long knife,” Mabior said. “I have known Junior for about 10 years. I have been to his house before.”

    She was struck two or three times with a baseball bat, but did not know who by. During it all, someone yelled: “This is for my brother.”

    Awan, a lab assistant, said Junior recognised her and waved for her to go. Another man she had known since childhood, Joseph Lokolong, was wearing a COVIDstyle face mask, she said.

    “I could clearly see Joseph’s eyes and knew it was him. Joseph had a bat in his hand and was holding it down next to his leg,” Awan said in his police statement.

    She too said she recognised Alex Deng; they had gone to primary school together.

    Kresto Wal was holding a bat or a machete and was so close she could see the gap between his teeth, she said. “He (Kresto) had what I describe as had an evil smile on his face. It was like he thought what was happening was funny.”

    Eleven of the 12 victims were taken to hospital; among them brothers Ronal and Rami Eresto, who live next to the park. Ronal was stabbed in the abdomen and Rami was struck in the head with a bat.

    Their mother, Viola Ladu, came running. Outside a Brisbane court last week, she said she moved to Australia from South Sudan as a single mother of three “for a better life”. She was at court seeking answers, saying she didn’t understand why the attack happened.

    Her sons spoke to The Australian at home from behind a screen door. Both said they were fine.

    “I don’t like really talking about it to anyone, even the officers,” Ronal said.

    “What’s happened has happened, you just move forward and try not to think about it, otherwise it just f..ks with my head.”

    Police allege it was a frenzied attack; victims beaten with bats before being chased down and stabbed. Mekonnen, dressed casually in torn denim jeans, T-shirt and Timberland boots, allegedly died from a fatal wound to the abdomen.

    In a video recorded just a couple of months earlier, the former Kedron State High School student had said his goal in five years was to have a business in Ethiopia “and most importantly move over there and help my family out”.

    Investigating officer Kerrin Raymont said in bail documents that “there was a great propensity for further deaths … It was only luck more vital organs and arteries were not struck”.

    Despite fears it would be a protracted investigation, detectives made arrests within days. Court documents reveal they were able to do this through witness statements, CCTV footage and by tracking phones as the group moved from Ipswich to the attack area and back.

    Clem 7 and Legacy Way tunnel footage allegedly captured the three-car convoy, matching phone movements.

    John Wal, whose bashing allegedly sparked the fatal attack, was still in hospital and was not involved. But police laid murder charges against his four brothers and against co-accused Deng, 18, Lokolong, 24, Anas Musa, 19, Majok Riel Majok, 18, Juma Makuol, 23, Chan Kon, 24, Ben Abio, 19, Abraham Yak, 26, and Malat Makuach, 21.

    Fatal blow?

    Police still do not know who struck the blow that killed Mekonnen and, in the law’s eyes, it does not necessarily matter.

    Lawyer Bill Potts said when people act in concert and it results in death, everyone can be held responsible; the same goes for anyone who “aids, abets, assists, enables or procures” an offence.

    “If it is contemplated or reasonably foreseeable, then that is murder,” Potts said.

    John Wal’s family and friends also appear to have blamed the wrong people – police say there is no evidence the Zillmere victims attacked him.

    Just over a week after the Zillmere attack, police charged three Ipswich teenagers and one from Yeronga in Brisbane’s south with John Wal’s bashing – none were at O’Callaghan Park.

    Australian generation

    The violence rolled on. On October 4, 21-year-old Charles Amalu was leaving a soccer tournament organised by the African community at Acacia Ridge in Brisbane’s south when 15 men surrounded him. Amalu was punched in the head and body and struck in the face with a hammer.

    Police allege the first person to swing a punch was Liec Manyang, one of the Zillmere victims. Manyang and five other men have been charged with acts intending to cause grievous bodily harm.

    Police were so concerned about reprisals they listed in court documents dummy, non-existent home addresses for family members.

    Speculating about the factors contributing to the attacks, community leader Bol warns that sophisticated criminal networks connected to the drug trade or other illegal activity may be targeting at-risk young people.

    He says there needs to be early intervention, including at schools, before things get out of control.

    Rehabilitation for those already in the justice system was needed, so “when they return to the communities they’re not offending or influencing others or trapped in the same cycle of offending”.

    “Any decent person would focus on the way to help people,” Bol says. “If there’s a vulnerable person or group of people in the community, then I would expect people to come together and find a way to help each other. That’s how those families find themselves in Australia, because there have been generous people and governments helping refugees.”

    Criminologist and former refugee Elijah Buol said the rise in anti-social behaviour was linked to a new generation who grew up in Australia.

    The African community wanted to engage with younger generations to find solutions, Buol said.

    “That’s what we as a community are trying to find out – who is actually influencing them, why are they doing it,” he said. “Some of them are too young to commit those big crimes. It’s something the community is saying – why is there a rise of this anti-social behaviour happening that was not there previously? Because we had a good, quiet time in Queensland without things like this.”

    Oz print edition

  206. jo

    Bob, do you sell your ‘memoir’ at cost?

    More likely to be someone else’s recollections. His great read “How to leave others in the lurch and my part in the downfall of SVN”.

  207. Top Ender

    Special Forces hit back
    CHARLES MIRANDA

    OUTRAGED serving soldiers, veterans and their families will petition the Governor-General to block the Australian Defence Force from stripping them of their Meritorious Unit Citation.

    ADF Chief General Angus Campbell last week announced he was recommending all soldiers who served in Afghanistan under the Special Operations Task Group between 2007 and 2013 have their citation revoked.

    The move came after distressing revelations 19 Special Forces soldiers, largely from the SAS and 2 Commando regiments, were allegedly involved in war crimes, including the shooting of innocent civilians.

    A social media-led campaign has seen 1000 current and former soldiers from both elite forces unite in a call to petition the Governor-General to block the move. Even current top ADF brass up to the rank of general don’t agree with the medal stripping.

    Private Scott Palmer was from the Sydney-based 2 Commando regiment and served with distinction and honour in East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan before being killed in a chopper crash on a combat mission in 2010. The 27-year-old’s parents Ray and Pam face the prospect of the ADF now taking their innocent son’s citation back.

    “We are of the same opinion as all of the army, a majority getting crucified by a very small minority,” Mr Palmer told the NT News.

    A formal letter is being drafted by Special Forces soldiers. Signing it as a public document is a big deal for some, whose careers have been based on anonymity because of the work they do or did combating terrorists.

    “We are not going to let this happen,” one former Special Forces soldier said of the move to strip the citation.

    “I don’t understand how the Chief of the Defence Force can on the one hand say it is so important for the Australian public to not let the action of a few tar that of the many, and in the same breath reprimand the many by removing that citation from everyone. He needs to abide by his own processes.”

    NT News print edition

  208. Mater

    I did three. Three is “frequent”.

    That seems convenient. Conducting a bit of revisionism to win an argument…again?

    1735099
    #3667784, posted on November 22, 2020 at 7:20 pm
    I did two TAOR patrols, once on LOB, and once in Admin Coy.

    And that was just yesterday. The things a good sleep can do, hey?

    Bullshit artist!

  209. Arky

    I had followed all the safety procedures but got the sequence wrong

    ..
    The procedure has a sequence.
    If you didn’t follow the sequence you did NOT follow the procedure.
    You were NOT trained to cock the weapon then remove the magazine then not check the chamber then pull the trigger. That was something your brain decided to do on it’s own.

  210. Rex Anger

    Typical of those posting here who have absolutely no idea about the recent past.
    There were no typing pools in Infantry Battalions in 1970.
    There were orderly rooms with clerks, but no typing pools.
    Mater would be up you like a rat up a drainpipe for using such inappropriate terminology.

    Potayto, Potahto, Communism.

    Jack Hunt again attempts his dishonest little shell games, and throws tantrums when his detractors hold firm and punch him instead of trying to find the pea he slipped into his pocket instead of hiding under the shells.

    What is an Orderly Room if it is not an organisation containing people who type? What is a typing pool if it is not an organisation containing people who type?

    Now Jack Hunt tries to excuse himself and his poor soldiering and lack of character through finger pointing at others. He hides behind the alleged incompetence of others in his Admin Company group by citing an alleged example of one fellow almost blowing a mate’s leg off by tripping over with an M16, set to full automatic.

    Shame Jack Hunt forgets the cyclic nature of the M16’s selector switch. Safe, Single, Full Auto. Requiring deliberate thumb movement on the switch to engage it.

    Unless his alleged incompetent soldier was constantly patrolling or moving about at a condition of INSTANT, then the described incident is impossible.

    Is there anything you won’t smear faeces on in order to try and get the upper hand, Jack Hunt.

    Some ‘survivor’ you are…

  211. Mater

    I did three. Three is “frequent”.

    Also, read your original statement again.

    1735099
    #3289349, posted on January 11, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    I was one of three ex-rifle company soldiers in Q Platoon in the later stages of my stint in SVN.
    We would fairly frequently go on TAOR patrols around Nui Dat.

    Note that you are talking about whilst in Q Platoon, so the one in March (LOB) doesn’t count. You can remove it from your story telling.

    A single, solitary (frequent) TAOR patrol…by your own account.

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