Open Forum: November 21, 2020

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  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    two typo’s. par for the course from me, always in a hurry. Correct ’em yourself.
    Apologies.

  2. Mother Lode

    Qld border open.

    Been closed so long it will be like visiting North Korea from South Korea.

    They will have a slightly different language, they will be shorter and more pallid (from living indoors), they will look at outsiders with extreme suspicion, and when Palacechook rolls over and croaks they will line the streets wailing and pulling their hair with the awkward overacting of people thrust onto a stage who were never trained to act.

  3. Dr Faustus

    They will have a slightly different language, they will be shorter and more pallid (from living indoors), they will look at outsiders with extreme suspicion, and when Palacechook rolls over and croaks they will line the streets wailing and pulling their hair with the awkward overacting of people thrust onto a stage who were never trained to act.

    Treasonous rubbish lies which will always receive severe crushing response of unimaginable fierceness.

  4. H B Bear

    Good to see Nalder shafted. Stooge.

  5. H B Bear

    The next W.A. Lieboral Premier might not even have been born if the Liars don’t explode as usual.

  6. thefrollickingmole

    and has never had a job outside of politics.

    fake news, he claims he spent one summer on a concrete pour.

  7. Mother Lode

    Treasonous rubbish lies which will always receive severe crushing response of unimaginable fierceness.

    Are we talking about being tied to a post in a field and having a firing squad consisting of a single piece artillery?

    Not just splashed to the four winds, but a few chunks entering the jet stream I think.

  8. Mother Lode

    Good to see Nalder shafted.

    He seemed…ahem…Dependable.

  9. Mother Lode

    fake news, he claims he spent one summer on a concrete pour.

    As a union rep? That would be an irreproachable intellectual pedigree for the current Liberal Party.

  10. Dr Faustus

    Worked as a Principal Policy Adviser for the 29th Premier of Western Australia, the Hon. Colin Barnett, for four and a half years.

    So, aged ~25 to ~29.
    Deep roots.

  11. Boambee John

    What happened to “shit me pants” Nadler? Nothing pleasant I hope?

  12. Mark from Melbourne

    Right.
    This is what we do.
    We DO NOT form another phony conservative party that gets instantaneously infiltrated by spivs, saboteurs and nutters.
    We start an organisation to encourage, support and rate independent conservative candidates.

    Arky, as we discussed, this way lies madness. Independents (a) rarely get elected without massive media backing and (b) once elected are, shall we say, subject to “inducement”.

    DJT has shown us the only way (and in Oz I think it is the long shot of long shots) – we need to take over an existing political party. Or at least take it over sufficiently to make a significant difference.

    I nominate the Nationals. They may be agrarian socialists at heart, but you can see if you care to look how the Greens are gradually Gramsci-ing them to take them even further in the wrong direction.

    If the Greens can infiltrate, so can conservatives. After all, most Nats party members have far more in common with the broad conservative cause than with the left. The party is relatively small, but does hold the balance of power most of the time in Federal politics.

    All (geez!) you would need to do is have enough clout to have the Nats abolish the coalition and it would change the face of Australian politics…. a significant difference unlike Trump’s, but difference nonetheless.

    A bit of branch stacking and other such tricks (plus a truckload of convincing the existing party members) might see that accomplished in 2 or 3 electoral cycles, if there was a group with the balls, cash and long term approach.

  13. Cassie of Sydney

    “After all, most Nats party members have far more in common with the broad conservative cause than with the left. “

    I don’t think that applies to the NSW Nats…the Nats supported the abortion laws last year and the greyhound ban a few years ago.

  14. thefrollickingmole

    Are we talking about being tied to a post in a field and having a firing squad consisting of a single piece artillery?

    reminds me of an odd, semi satisfying film on SBS last week.

    The captain.
    Based on this bloke.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Herold

    Willi Herold (11 September 1925 – 14 November 1946), also known as “the Executioner of Emsland,” was a German war criminal. Near the end of World War II in Europe, Herold deserted from the German Army and, posing as a Luftwaffe captain, organized the mass execution of deserters held at a German prison camp.[1][2] Herold was arrested by British forces and executed for war crimes on 14 November 1946 at Wolfenbüttel prison.

    It was interesting, the moral i took from it was he let his assumed authority cover for what the people he was worried could reveal his façade wanted to do.
    Every lie dug in a little deeper.

  15. H B Bear

    Worked as a Principal Policy Adviser for the 29th Premier of Western Australia, the Hon. Colin Barnett, for four and a half years.

    What Emperor Barney looked for in his advisers, “Yes,Colin”, “Good idea,Colin”, “Why didn’t we think of that, Colin” shortly before the Emperor did a pretty good impression of The Father of Middle Class Welfare’s version of Thelma and Louise.

  16. Arky

    If the Greens can infiltrate, so can conservatives.

    ..
    Getting conservatives to do anything in concert is neigh impossible. But some of our very own cats have run for independent. It might not be much, or enough, but I think we should put together some organisation that can help put conservative independents in touch with each other and with supporters. Not to say that we shouldn’t also be trying to organise something along your lines too. We definitely should.

  17. dragnet

    There was a rank and file revolt within the NSW Nationals in relation to the greyhound ban. There is considerable dissatisfaction among the rank and file in the regions with the Parliamentary wing of the Nats. Regrettably the Metropolitan Branch of the party which is stacked to the gills with wannabe political staffers and wannabe political staffers seems to possess a disproportionate sway over the State party.

  18. EvilElvis

    Arky, Mark and Co.

    All good ideas and probably best to get the opinion of the couple of legends here who have gone the independent route.

    I think Mark has a point about infiltration. Which target to go at though. The Nats or the Libs? I’m ready to get back amongst it and make a complete and utter arse of myself and embarrass whole groups at one time with rants. Which group though?

  19. jo

    Arky, looking at your website. Like the dogs. Don’t know if it still applies but HT coils used to be oil filled, tilting them top down takes the oil away from the windings. Probably doesn’t make that much difference cause of low RPM.

  20. Arky

    With helping independents, it could be as small and simple as: You want to run for a state seat? Here is someone who has done that before, we can put you in touch.
    Or: Here’s is someone who can set up a website for you.
    Or: Here is the email of an independent journo.

  21. Arky

    but HT coils used to be oil filled,

    ..
    Installed two years ago, Can’t remember the ins and outs, whys and wherefores, cut and thrust or intricate details of it, but did think of it at the time.

  22. thefrollickingmole

    Arky

    Wasnt there that “preference whisperer” bloke a few years back also had a decent crack at getting independent/small parties to be elected by controlling the preference flows?

    I seem to recall the uniparties did some nobbling of that method.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Druery

  23. Arky

    thefrollickingmole
    #3669598, posted on November 24, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    ..
    No.
    I wouldn’t want to be involved in anything like that.

  24. Tom

    If only we had an independent media with teeth to investigate this spiv’s investments in the climate scam and those of his family (Paywallian):

    Malcolm Turnbull has predicted Australia’s Prime Minister Scott Morrison will cave to international pressure and sign up to a net zero emissions target by 2050 after clinging too closely to Donald Trump’s rhetoric.

    “I’m confident Morrison will move to that. He probably over-channeled Trump. He was clearly dazzled by Trump and went full-in with that in a number of areas.

    “All the talk about being against globalism and so forth was channelling ‘the Donald’, including on climate,” Mr Turnbull told a business summit on Tuesday.

    “The reality on climate is all of our major trading partners have a net zero target and the Biden administration will return to the climate fray with a real enthusiasm,” Mr Turnbull said. “He’s announced John Kerry – who is a real climate action evangelist with huge global credibility – will be the climate tsar and so Australia has to get on board.”

    Mr Morrison says net zero carbon emissions by 2050 was achievable but Australia has not committed to a hard energy target for the mid-century.

    “We will pay a heavy price for this in international trade, believe me. We are kidding ourselves to think the Europeans will not have climate in the Australia-Europe free trade agreement,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “We’re absolutely kidding ourselves and I can see the Americans making that a condition of trade agreements right around the world. What Scott has to do now is pivot or dismount – whatever you want to call it. Whether it’s done elegantly or not it doesn’t really matter – as long as he does it.”

    The Morrison government’s campaign to get Mathias Cormann elected to the top OECD job may be undermined by Australia’s climate position, Mr Turnbull said.

    “You can imagine the concerns, in European capitals particularly, saying ‘Hang on these are the Australians who want Mathias to be secretary general of the OECD and where do they stand on climate?’”.

    “It’s not a good look. So if we want to be taken seriously in the global community as a strong and committed and voice of conviction then we’ve got to be able to step up at least to the targets and commitments that all of our trading partners have done.”

    “The Trump era is over – at least for four years – and we don’t want to be looking like a Trump-lite refuge in the southern hemisphere.”

  25. Boambee John

    Cassie

    I don’t think that applies to the NSW Nats…the Nats supported the abortion laws last year and the greyhound ban a few years ago.

    The parliamentary party does not necessarily reflect the opinions of the grassroots members.

  26. Mark from Melbourne

    Getting conservatives to do anything in concert is neigh [I think you meant nigh] impossible

    True, which is why trying to get independent candidates up without media backing is just never going to happen. If the left have a surfeit of “my sidedness”, conservatives have an absolute surfeit of “intellectual purity”. We have for 50 years let the perfect get in the way of the possible.

    If someone set out to run a long term campaign to “LIBerate the Nationals”, combined with an education campaign aimed at Nationals grass roots as to why the Nats would be more powerful as a separate grouping rather than being running dogs of the Libs, organised like-minded(ish) conservatives to join Nationals branches and kept pushing that one point for an electoral cycle or two, there might be some hope.

    It would require funding, a spokesperson and the will to not cave at the first hurdle.

    It would also require conservatives to put away their intellectual purity in the hope of getting something that isn’t the current pile of steaming dung that we now face.

    So a bit of a pipe dream. But it’s a lovely sunny afternoon here in Dannistan, so a man’s allowed to dream.

  27. Cassie of Sydney

    Independents can gain traction and win if they are already well known in the seats they run in…example one is Skank Phelps and Rebecca Sharkie or if they have a very good team behind them and political organisations such as GetUp to give them momentum….example two – Steggall, McGowan and Haines

  28. John of Mel

    Debt, debt and more debt in Victoria..
    But who cares – everybody’s doing it: “In keeping with the Federal Government and other states and territories, we are borrowing to keep Victoria’s economy and livelihoods afloat,” Treasurer Tim Pallas said.

  29. Mother Lode

    The tendency is to start a party before it has a constituency that recognises itself as one. Momentum is lost and they remain on the fringe.

    Get people pissed off at he majors, highlight what is wrong with them, get people motivated for something better – then offer it to them.

  30. Mark from Melbourne

    Independents can gain traction and win if they are already well known in the seats they run in…example one is Skank Phelps and Rebecca Sharkie or if they have a very good team behind them and political organisations such as GetUp to give them momentum….example two – Steggall, McGowan and Haines

    Precisely, Cassie.

    Which is why I just don’t think devoting resources to a bunch of independent conservatives (who will have no media backup at best, nor anything like approaching support from the likes of Getup!) is even worth doing.

    Not for one moment suggesting I have the answer, but I reckon I’m just barely smart enough to see that bashing your ahead against that particular brick wall doesn’t work.

  31. Delta A

    Independents can gain traction and win if they are already well known in the seats they run in…example one is Skank Phelps and Rebecca Sharkie

    Sharkie wasn’t well known in the electorate. Furthermore, she was a lazy campaigner and is an even lazier rep.

    She won solely because the media gave Jamie Briggs (member of 666 cabinet) an absolute and not entirely deserved bollocking.

    It now seems that the sloth has its snout well and truly established in the parliamentary trough.

  32. thefrollickingmole

    John of Mel

    I think we need to ask.

    Why are women over 50 so shit?
    Because why else would they need a special bucket of money thrown at them?

    and $50 million of this will support women over the age of 45, in recognition of the additional challenges they face.

  33. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Poor ol’ Alan Shamsey is brown bread. A true lion of Ozzie j’ism.

  34. If the Left get back in, this is what you’ll get for not standing up to them:
    Double Mastectomy for 17 year old girl.
    I mean, it doesn’t get much closer to home than this does it?
    And the Judicial, Law Enforcement and Health Industry are all for it.
    This is why I said this on the Post Election thread:

    No way – in confusion lies opportunity.
    The Collectivists are giving us a damn fine excuse to clear the stables of the crap that has accumulated over the last hundred years.

    …and this:

    I just read the Victor Davis Hanson post by Roger above.
    There’s no further doubt in my mind, the only way to sort this dunghill of an election out, than by a civil war.
    If the Left/Collectivists/One Worlders remain as a political force, they will try to steal every election until the sun turns to iron. And one day they will succeed.

  35. thefrollickingmole

    This is well worth a RTWT. Pinched from instapundit.

    A Pom doctor is less than convinced the deadly, deadly ‘rona is a “thing”.

    The Covid Physician’s true coronavirus timeline
    “My experience is no one but the government and mainstream media are sharing apocalyptic Covid-19 death experiences with me”


    What of mortality: a fraction of a percent, and 10 times less than predicted by the inadequate and presumptive Imperial College models? What about the age-specific mortalities: the younger, the more fractional the risk? Yet, some mask children and we destroy the lives of the least at risk (that’s most of the workforce under 60 years). We destroy jobs, industry and life as we knew it while we wait for a vaccine. The NHS feels like it has been weaponised by the state and used paradoxically to damage our health. Isn’t that a hell of a timeline?

  36. Dr Faustus

    Redecorating history:

    “I’m confident Morrison will move to that. He probably over-channeled Trump. He was clearly dazzled by Trump and went full-in with that in a number of areas.

    “All the talk about being against globalism and so forth was channelling ‘the Donald’, including on climate,” Mr Turnbull told a business summit on Tuesday.

    Arguably not possible to have under-channeled Trump to the extent Mr Trumble managed.

    Subtext: the Liberal Party discarded the services of Australia’s Finest Ever Prime Minister for no purpose at all. Nyaar, nurdy, nur, nur.

  37. Arky:

    The web says hot mustard.
    But if I use that all up deterring possums, what to put on a corned beef sandwich?

    That’s not how you spell possum sandwich, Arky.
    I hear there are some species that come with a hot mustard flavour.

  38. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sharkie wasn’t well known in the electorate. Furthermore, she was a lazy campaigner and is an even lazier rep.”

    Fair enough, happy to be corrected re. Sharkie but I reside in Wentworth (where I have lived for most of my life) and everyone here knows Skank Phelps. I had thought that because Sharkie lived in Mayo that people might know her. Re. Skank Phelps…she had a formidable army behind her….Labor advisers and GetUp. It was nice to see the back of the loathsome grotesque hypocritical lesbian.

  39. Delta A

    Cassie, Sharkie is happy to attend community functions for all the photographs. Then she’s out the door like a shot.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she had some GetUp backing, too. She and Phelps are peas in a pod.

    Both are plagues on their electorates.

    (Having said that, my curmudgeonly conservative son thinks she’s okay, but that might be because she bought one of his books. 🙂 Policy-wise, she is everything that he loathes.)

  40. Makka

    “The Trump era is over – at least for four years – and we don’t want to be looking like a Trump-lite refuge in the southern hemisphere.”

    He is right. Windsock Morrison won’t want to miss out on all those leftist cocktail parties, the gutless spiv.

  41. EvilElvis

    Independents can gain traction and win if they are already well known in the seats they run in…example one is Skank Phelps and Rebecca Sharkie or if they have a very good team behind them and political organisations such as GetUp to give them momentum….example two – Steggall, McGowan and Haines

    All have the common trait of being msm backed. Something no conservative independent candidate will ever attract.

  42. Cassie of Sydney

    “All have the common trait of being msm backed. Something no conservative independent candidate will ever attract.”

    Yep.

  43. Maj

    Riccardo Bossi is having a go with the A1 party.

    These YouTube interviews are worth a look.

    Who’s Joel Jammal? The name is familiar.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    All have the common trait of being msm backed. Something no conservative independent candidate will ever attract.

    Yeah, so much comes down to the MSM. Biden is dirtier than a Swedish mud wrestler but was totally shielded; Giuliani had some hair dye run the other day and that was the whole story. Which gave them the excuse to ridicule his announcement completely. And never ever eat an onion! Or wear red speedos. Or a terribly misogynistic blue tie.

    And so it will go until the MSM gets a clean out.

    The good news is that when Covid goes away magically and Trump is no longer in the WH the lefty press is going to obliterated. Even they acknowledge the only thing keeping them alive has been lefty TDS. once Trump is off the radar they’ll all go back to instagramming their dinner.

  45. miltonf

    It’s just silly all these parties Aust Cons, ALA (aka yellow vests), A1. One Nation is probably the only one with a bit of traction. Moving in on the Nationals is probably a better idea. It’s a good name for starters.

    My experience of the LP is staffers and wannabe staffers.

  46. EvilElvis

    Yeah, so much comes down to the MSM.

    So that immediately discounts any independents ability. Just ask Cardimona. He was ignored on occassion by the bloody local rag despite being a candidate who was out and about and loud and proud.

    So, plan B. Infiltration? Who are we infiltrating?

  47. miltonf

    And so it will go until the MSM gets a clean out.

    It’s a shame it hasn’t happened sooner- 20 years of the internet has not been enough apparently.

  48. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s a shame it hasn’t happened sooner

    Unfortunately the internet is not something you can easily turn on and veg in front of with a tinny and dinner.

  49. kaysee

    If the Left get back in, this is what you’ll get for not standing up to them:
    Double Mastectomy for 17 year old girl.
    I mean, it doesn’t get much closer to home than this does it?
    And the Judicial, Law Enforcement and Health Industry are all for it.

    5-year-old Phoenix and mother

  50. pete m

    Why has Gen Flynn criminal charge not be dismissed yet? Sullivan J was told to act expeditiously and has not. Powell filed a bias recusal application which i am sure he’ll use to delay it more. Justice not even close to be seen done.

  51. kaysee

    “Pandemic is Over” – Former Pfizer Chief Science Officer Says “Second Wave” Faked On False-Positive COVID Tests

    This video provides one of the most erudite and informative looks at Covid-19 and the consequences of lockdowns. As AIER notes, it was remarkable this week to watch as it appeared on YouTube and was forcibly taken down only 2 hours after posting.

    What likely triggered the Silicon Valley censor-mongers is the fact that a former Chief Science Officer for the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer says “there is no science to suggest a second wave should happen.” The “Big Pharma” insider asserts that false positive results from inherently unreliable COVID tests are being used to manufacture a “second wave” based on “new cases.”

    Dr. Michael Yeadon is an Allergy & Respiratory Therapeutic Area expert with 23 years in the pharmaceutical industry.
    Dr. Yeadon has published over 40 original research articles and now consults and partners with a number of biotechnology companies. Before working with Apellis, Dr. Yeadon was VP and Chief Scientific Officer (Allergy & Respiratory Research) with Pfizer.

    The rest of Dr. Yeadon’s bio, the interview, as well as the video is included in the article. It is also available here.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sullivan is a mate of Comey’s.

  53. kaysee

    After Trans Activists Try To Ban ‘Irreversible Damage,’ It Becomes A Bestseller

    Chase Strangio of the American Civil Liberties Union tweeted, “Abigail Shrier’s book is a dangerous polemic with a goal of making people not trans. I think of all the times & ways I was told my transness wasn’t real & the daily toll that still takes. We have to fight these ideas which are leading to the criminalization of trans life again.”

    Several anonymous transgender Twitter users also expressed this belief and reached out to Target, demanding the retailer remove the book from its shelves. Target promptly did. After a heavy backlash that sent Shrier’s book into the best-seller category on Amazon, including No. 15 in all books, Target reversed its decision, also quietly doing the same for its removal of Debra Soh’s “The End of Gender: Debunking the Myths about Sex and Identity in Our Society.”

  54. Arky

    It is never a waste of time to bring together good people of like mind.
    Whether you choose to band together and join a branch of a major party, or to form a new one, or join me in The League of Conservative Gentlemen Independents in doing some little thing to support conservative independents, I suggest you start soon.
    Because they are coming for us.
    None of this may bear fruit anytime soon, but the coming storm will be easier to endure in the company of friends doing something practical.

  55. kaysee

    Why is there so much fanfare over the availability of a Covid vaccine?

    Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

    Since the beginning of the #COVID19 pandemic, we knew that a vaccine would be essential for bringing the pandemic under control. But it’s important to emphasise that a vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them. #EB147 #ACTogether

    Initial supply of #COVID19 vaccines will be limited, so #healthworkers, older people & other at-risk populations will be prioritised. That will hopefully reduce the number of deaths & enable health systems to cope, but the virus will still have a lot room to move. #EB147

    A vaccine on its own will not end the #COVID19 pandemic. We will still need to continue:
    -Surveillance
    -Testing, isolating & caring for cases
    -Tracing & quarantining contacts
    -Engaging communities
    -Encouraging individuals to be careful
    #ACTogether #EB147

    We will still need to continue
    -Surveillance

    Ah, yes. The More Things Change, The More They Remain The Same?

  56. EvilElvis

    It is never a waste of time to bring together good people of like mind.
    Whether you choose to band together and join a branch of a major party, or to form a new one, or join me in The League of Conservative Gentlemen Independents in doing some little thing to support conservative independents, I suggest you start soon.

    Completely agree with your first statement, Arky. The second part just plays into the whole incoherent conservative team meme. We’ve been doing our own thing and this is how it’s ended up.

    We need to band together as a group, agree on the party to infiltrate, become local branch members and then simultaneously present policy initiatives and motions across the group at the same time. Almost like a political party within a political party. Or even, a faction…

  57. Cassie of Sydney

    “After a heavy backlash that sent Shrier’s book into the best-seller category on Amazon, including No. 15 in all books, Target reversed its decision, also quietly doing the same for its removal of Debra Soh’s “The End of Gender: Debunking the Myths about Sex and Identity in Our Society.””

    Thanks for that Kaysee. I’ve read Shrier’s book (excellent) and I’m reading Soh’s book (also excellent). I recommend that people buy the books and read them. It’s funny how both are targets for smears and cancellation. Both are progressive liberals (in the US way) although I get the sense that both women are shifting their politics a little. I have watched numerous youtube discussions with both women. They are brave. Soh is an academic sex researcher who has done research on abnormal sexual preferences such as “paraphilias”. She knows a lot about autogynephilia. Soh writes…factually….that sex is immutable. You can’t change sex.

  58. vlad

    Alan Ramsey has died.

    The SMH obituary glosses over his final years as a hack columnist who would quote hundreds of words in massive blocks before ending with a brief comment.

    The only one I remember was “Remember?”

    I didn’t and hadn’t a clue what point he thought he was making. It seemed like an easy way to earn a living, all that quotation.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    The best way to troll Dr Tedious is to ask him “Did Covid-19 come from a Wuhan laboratory?”

    If he says yes he severely pisses off the Chinese, who are his chief backers.
    If he says no then you say “Why, if you lie about this, should we accept anything you say?”
    If he says he doesn’t know you say “It’s been going for a year and you don’t know? Why should we accept recommendations from someone as incompetent as you obviously are?”

    Something the MSM would never do of course.

  60. Arky

    The second part just plays into the whole incoherent conservative team meme. We’ve been doing our own thing and this is how it’s ended up.

    ..
    The left do it all.
    So should we.
    I’m not a party joiner type. Most aren’t, but still want to do something positive. You can knock off the worst types holding down what should be conservative bastions in four ways:
    1. Vote them out replace wit Labor or Greens Labour or Greens.
    2. Take over a branch and preselect someone else.
    3. Put in an independent.
    4. Form a new party.
    ..
    Any of these is better than leaving a Turnbull or Pyne type in place, but some of them are betterer than others.
    You are wrong about concerted action.
    Not in that concerted action is needed, but in where to apply it.
    The place to act in concert is in the choosing of which bastard(s) is going to be the on the end of a combination of these actions.
    Pick one to start with.
    Infiltrate his branch, run an independent against him. Start a new conservative party in his electorate.
    Do it all, and tell the bastard he’s a target too.

  61. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    We need to band together as a group, agree on the party to infiltrate, become local branch members and then simultaneously present policy initiatives and motions across the group at the same time. Almost like a political party within a political party. Or even, a faction…

    There’s no other option than the gliberals, as distasteful as this may seem. That existing party infrastructure (not to mention the guaranteed votes of rustadons) simply could not be duplicated in a new political movement in our lifetimes. This would be a matter of rightly taking back the party of Menzies and its founding principles. I don’t want to have a go at Riccardo B, but I feel his efforts with A1 will ultimately prove to be “misguided”.

    And Arks, I never had you pegged as an idealist.

  62. Arky

    There’s no other option than the gliberals, as distasteful as this may seem.

    ..
    Loser think.
    You would seriously rather sit in on branch meetings with Amanda Vanstone types and the people who select them, than start your own thing?
    ARE YOU FUCKING FOR SERIOUS ME LADDO???!!

  63. Dot

    The left have the right beaten.

    Why?

    The right have a party or parties.

    The left have a Cathedral.

    Learn about it and look it up.

  64. Arky

    I never had you pegged

    ..
    You need a damn good pegging with Pyne and Vanstone taking turns, and Howard watching on with his brushy little eyebrows poking up over the back of the couch.

  65. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    ARE YOU FUCKING FOR SERIOUS ME LADDO???!!

    No need to go full Begbie, Squire.

  66. EvilElvis

    The left do it all.
    So should we.

    Complete bullshit, Arky.

    We can’t because as conservatives we are individuals and a lot of Australia are collectivists, tribalists and feel safer running with the group. This we know historically.

    All the points you listed are valiant but we’ve been doing the thinly spread valiant thing for years with no result. Just look at Custard and Cardimona recently. Bloody champions who put it well out there, passionately, and couldn’t scratch the shell. This we know historically.

    We need to thinly spread ourselves as conservatives through one select forum. A couple of individuals here and there at grassroots getting the odd conservative motion through across several branches across all of Australia is the only way forward. It’s also the only opportunity to deride any other shit that gets put up by the regular numpties and to get face to face with the Polly muppets. You may find that there are still some free thinkers in the rank and file that would come on board.

  67. Dot

    Good luck Rev. Arkwright.

    🦾👌🐸👍🤞👏👐🤜🤛✌️

  68. EvilElvis

    Loser think.
    You would seriously rather sit in on branch meetings with Amanda Vanstone types and the people who select them, than start your own thing?
    ARE YOU FUCKING FOR SERIOUS ME LADDO???!!

    You’re going over old ground and want to be in a political bubble with like-minded people, Arky.

    You know what, so do I. It’s not going to happen though. Learn from others recent experience.

    It’s time to get dirty. Join up, go to a meeting and tell the Amanda Vanstone types to eat a dick.

  69. Arky

    A loose coalition of conservative independents, helped at arms length by strictly conservative body with no ties to any of the interest groups or parties. A pure grassroots creation.
    The main parties are compromised beyond saving.
    Trump did it with hundreds of thousands of little donations from people like us, fed up with the shit.
    He did it by tapping into the rightful disgust people have for the turds you are hoping to polish.
    Not me. I ain’t joining a band of shits just because, right now, they are the only game in town.
    That just tells you the market is ripe for a viable alternative. Unless you want to be smoking farts with the libertarians, or listening to that strident ginger fish wife, or eating a shit sandwich at a Liberal branch with the wretched, chinless fans of golden showers and pegging who inhabit such meetings, you are going to have to do something different and new.

  70. EvilElvis

    Trump did it with hundreds of thousands of little donations from people like us, fed up with the shit.

    He channelled that through the existing conduit of the Republican party, Arky. You’re ideas are ok but you’re just doing circle work that’s been tried around what is the obvious conclusion.

  71. kaysee

    We need to band together as a group, agree on the party to infiltrate, become local branch members and then simultaneously present policy initiatives and motions across the group at the same time. Almost like a political party within a political party. Or even, a faction…

    That was the reason I started the Catallaction Club. It was meant to be a starting point to form a group. From there on, members could share ideas, opinions and suggestions of what we can do to make a change, instead of just sitting back and having intellectual discussions.

    Result: The club had so many Cats rushing in enthusiastically, hundreds of them, wanting to join. We had so many in the club, we had to stop issuing memberships. [Yeah, right!]

    With the current US elections taking up the forum space, I’ve put the club on hold for now. For what it’s worth, I’ll take it up again when I have the time.

  72. Arky

    If you wanted a brand for a new party for the next election in your state it should be this: The Anti – Lockdown Party. And your number one policy is to promise to never again allow your state to be at the mercy of some jumped up little doctor.

  73. Arky

    I’ll take it up again when I have the time.

    ..
    I would gladly participate in such a thing.

  74. Dot

    The Acts which the enabled the health orders need to be repealed.

  75. EvilElvis

    That was the reason I started the Catallaction Club. It was meant to be a starting point to form a group. From there on, members could share ideas, opinions and suggestions of what we can do to make a change, instead of just sitting back and having intellectual discussions.

    Sounds like a good thing, kaysee. First I’ve heard of it. Don’t let the US election put you off, channel that passion.

  76. kaysee

    First I’ve heard of it. Don’t let the US election put you off, channel that passion.

    Time constraints.
    It started as a series of posts around June, but the club came into existence in July. If you have missed the comments, I could provide the links if you are interested.

  77. Arky

    A start that everyone might find palatable is this:
    Start by simply giving all politicians a conservative rating.
    A star system.
    Zero to ten stars, based on their a combination of their stated opinions, their voting records for sitting politicians, and their policy platforms for independents.

  78. kaysee

    I would gladly participate in such a thing.

    Shall I sign you up as a member, Arky? 🙂

  79. kaysee

    Do you know what you are signing up to?
    Have you read the Club comments that I wrote?

  80. Arky

    Do you know what you are signing up to?

    ..
    I don’t have that higher standards.
    If there is no sodomy or binge drinking involved, it’s better than most rugby clubs I have played for.

  81. kaysee

    Ponderable Points 🐻
     
    One
     
    Two

  82. Arky

    Also, it better not cost much.
    Or require being nice to anyone.
    I am habitually poor and bad tempered.

  83. EvilElvis

    If you have missed the comments, I could provide the links if you are interested.

    Completely missed in the torrent of covid rubbish I’d imagine. Would love a link, no rush.

  84. EvilElvis

    I am habitually poor and bad tempered.

    We have much in common, we should form a group… 😂

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If there is no sodomy or binge drinking involved, it’s better than most rugby clubs I have played for.

    Rum, sodomy and the lash, anyone?

  86. duncanm

    Has this been posted – belongs back in an older thread, but it’ll get lost ther (and probably here).

    Doomlord ?

    Petition to retain the meritorious unit citation awarded to Taskforce 66, Special Operations Task Groups IV-XX

    https://voiceofaveteran.typeform.com/to/jQcNKsMB

  87. kaysee

    Also, it better not cost much.
    Or require being nice to anyone.
    I am habitually poor and bad tempered.

    Full Disclosure.
    Just so you know what the club is about, here is the first set of (three) comments.

  88. notafan

    its absolutely amazing after Biden supporters spent months accusing Trump of the genocide of Americans will they docilely sit by and watch vaccines be sent somewhere else because ‘fair’?

    Especially when the US seems to be so hard hit compared to third world countries right numbers?

  89. woolfe

    Arky over 80% of our population are petrified of something that has a 99.99% survival rate. They want to be told what to do by some failed Doctor who joins the civil service.

    And no I don’t have an answer.

  90. Mark from Melbourne

    The main parties are compromised beyond saving.

    … and thus one is ripe for a (very limited) infiltration.

    All such a movement needs to do is to have the Nats declare independence. An attainable goal.

  91. kaysee

    Completely missed in the torrent of covid rubbish I’d imagine. Would love a link, no rush.

    First set, in response to Arky’s comment above.

    Here is the second set of (three) comments.
    That’s plenty of reading. I’ll leave the rest for another day, if still interested.

    Time for me to say Good Night.

  92. Old School Conservative

    duncanm
    #3669917, posted on November 24, 2020 at 9:22 pm
    Petition to retain the meritorious unit citation

    Done.

  93. Arky

    What state are you in Kaycee?

  94. EvilElvis


    First set, in response to Arky’s comment above.

    That’s all fine, kaysee. Plenty of lefty groups are single digit numbers with loud voices. It’s a good start.

  95. Delta A

    What state are you in Kaycee?

    You silly duffer, Arky.

    It’s not a ‘c’, it’s a ‘see’. Can’t you see?

  96. Delta A

    PS: very interested in your posts today, Arky. I really like the concept.

  97. Siltstone

    duncanm
    #3669917, posted on November 24, 2020 at 9:22 pm
    Petition to retain the meritorious unit citation

    Signed

  98. Leigh Lowe

    That little service interruption earlier today?
    Just a little taste of what serious havoc a blog-wrecker can wreak.
    Be-have.

  99. Old School Conservative

    PML – Rowan Dean on fire and attacking Bum Fluff Reece who started a blue with Rowan. Called Rowan’s Climate Change scam comments “morally bankrupt.”
    Rowan was brilliant.

  100. cohenite

    That kunt nicholas reece trapped the great Rowan Dean because Dean used the cuck, bolta’s argument about alarmism which, yes it is real but Australia’s contribution is so slight we can’t make a difference. Fuuuuck!

    The argument is alarmism is NOT real, it’s bullshit.

    And Pauline does the same as Dean. Fuuuuck!

    If you say it’s real pricks like reece will always pull the moral argument that it is immoral not to do something even if Australia’s contribution is slight.

  101. Maj

    In our sexually confused world, modesty rules need to apply to man as it does to woman.

  102. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Everything the left touch, turns to shit.

  103. Arky

    It’s not a ‘c’, it’s a ‘see’. Can’t you see?

    ..
    Gone anyway.

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Watched a doco on StanFlix today about the Spitfire.
    I did not know about the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA) which ferried aircraft from factories and repair facilities to operational airfields.
    Quite a few of them ladies.
    One of the ladies signed her name on one of the delivery aircraft in 1944.
    She got to sign the restored aircraft again at the age of 100.
    A top chick.

  105. The Beer Whisperer

    “You’re absolutely right,” said Damien as he picked up the radio transmitter handset. “D24, this is Cranbourne 14. We’re mobile, and I’d just like to pay my respects to the traditional owners of this land, the Wurundjeri people, and acknowledge that their sovereignty has never been ceded.”

    I can’t hold back any longer. I was at a wedding recently, which started with a welcome to country spiel. It followed with a male bridal party member, and back at the house a certain person reiterated the welcome to country barfathon.

    However, i’d already heard the goss that this same person had told my niece she’d have to find her own way to the wedding AFTER DOING THE MAKEUP FOR THE ENTIRE BRIDAL PARTY!

    Anyone who virtue signals must be assumed to be compensating for their own immorality. So far it’s basically a perfect record. Only grossly immoral people with rooms full of closets full of skeletons virtue signal. Prove me wrong.

  106. Arky

    Weddings are shit.
    I don’t understand why chicks want any more than to be thrown over your shoulder and carried back to your place of habitation.
    It sure isn’t the average bloke wanting to invite 200 parasites to a floral nightmare in pink.

  107. DrBeauGan

    Weddings are shit.

    The bride and her mother want to be the centre of attention for the day. The groom and the bride’s father go along with it to avoid nagging. Everyone else is just there for the drinks.

  108. Dot

    We’re mobile, and I’d just like to pay my respects to the traditional owners of this land, the Wurundjeri people, and acknowledge that their sovereignty has never been ceded.”

    The Iraqi Information Minister could not be contacted for comment.

  109. The Beer Whisperer

    Weddings are shit.

    I’ve finally realised that i’ve been bribed with alcohol.

    Bribery will get you everywhere,

  110. Dot

    Look at this fucking cuck:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-22/lieutenant-general-rick-burr-speaks-on-afghan-report/12909166

    The investigation found credible information relating to war crimes allegedly committed by Australian Special Forces

    Lieutenant General Rick Burr said he was determined to lead the Army to “a better place”

    An SAS squadron embroiled in the allegations will be removed from the order of battle

    More cucks:

    “Warrior culture a failure of high command…”

  111. Rex Anger

    @ Dot-

    Better that, than a craven shitwit like that Flatus Skrollpast.

    But only barely…

  112. Top Ender

    Meanwhile in the Uk members of the tilty-head brigade want to bring some criminals home with them:

    Protesters taken to court after preventing a deportation flight from taking off from Stansted Airport today challenged their convictions at the Court of Appeal.

    The ‘Stansted 15’ cut through the Essex airport’s perimeter fence and locked themselves together around a Boeing 767 jet chartered by the Home Office to transport people from UK detention centres for repatriation to Africa in March 2017.

    Those due to be removed from Britain included 25 criminals who had been imprisoned for offences including murder, child rape and grievous bodily harm.

    Especially annoying: Ruth Potts, 44. A lecturer in alternative economics and an anarchist baker.

    Daily Mail

  113. Rex Anger

    @ Top Ender-

    What the hell is an anarchist baker?

    A provider of ‘free’ lunches?

    Or an incident you need a throwdown stale baguette for, for when the awkward questions start afterwards?

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The bride and her mother want to be the centre of attention for the day. The groom and the bride’s father go along with it to avoid nagging. Everyone else is just there for the drinks.

    Weddings provide the bride with an excuse to ride in triumph around the social circle of her friends, relatives and work colleagues.

    The groom serves admirably as the horse.

  115. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Especially annoying: Ruth Potts, 44. A lecturer in alternative economics and an anarchist baker.

    Karen…

  116. MatrixTransform

    What the hell is an anarchist baker?

    antifa scrolls?

  117. Knuckle Dragger

    Blog-wrecking indeed.

    I also note no mention was made of putting the sitting member last today. Not even once.

    Coincidence? You decide.

  118. MatrixTransform

    re-brandy snaps?

  119. Rex Anger

    Are you suggesting Stroof Pressed the Words a bit too hard this morning, KD?

    What a miserable thought. 😕

    I just thought the goblins were on strike…

  120. MatrixTransform

    guerrilla slice?

  121. MatrixTransform

    never mind, it the ouzo talking

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex,

    It was goblins. probably.

  123. rickw

    Warrior culture a failure of high command…”

    Isn’t this the only thing that counts on the two way rifle range?

    What do these fuckheads think the Military is? The CWA? A Men’s Shed? Tractor Club? An Agricultural Society? Rotary?

  124. MatrixTransform

    toxic warrior culture

    … feminist approved

  125. Rex Anger

    It was goblins. probably.

    I’ll have to get on to their union…

    (Now remembering last weekend’s Bird strike with a smile. Damn, that was good fun! 😁😁😁)

    #WeHappyFew

  126. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Warrior culture a failure of high command…”

    Isn’t this the only thing that counts on the two way rifle range?

    What do these fuckheads think the Military is? The CWA? A Men’s Shed? Tractor Club? An Agricultural Society? Rotary?

    I had a unit commander who proclaimed that he ” wanted to command warriors in battle. I don’t mind the odd brawl in the O.R’s boozer or some civvie getting a black eye to teach him respect.”

    Funny, after a monumental brawl in a local pub, he sentenced the offenders to Ingleburn.

    His nickname, after that, was “Jungles” – wet green and dense.

  127. Rex Anger

    @ ZK2A-

    Acta non verba, baby… 😉

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What do these fuckheads think the Military is? The CWA? A Men’s Shed? Tractor Club? An Agricultural Society? Rotary?

    “My Army Gives me all the Time I Want With My Children.”

  129. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t give third political Parties much of a go these days, after having put quite a bit of money, faith and effort into the Australian Conservatives, which went nowhere. One Nation with Latham leading might go somewhere, but that’s about it. The Liberals will have to change, be forced to change, and voter pressure will have to do it. I’ve had my days long ago of sitting around Church halls trying to Branch Stack (I was Labor in those days) and I doubt I will join the Libs just to do that or to be a pressure group.

    That said, I’m going to bed. Had a productive day writing today; one of the few since I broke my foot, had to change various medications and became low on oestrogen. I’m now back on the rub-in stuff and it’s working! I feel human again.

  130. Leigh Lowe

    Forget new Conservative parties.
    Just put the sitting member last.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    Forget new Conservative parties.
    Just put the sitting member last.

    Is that what America just did?

  132. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3670056, posted on November 25, 2020 at 12:24 am

    Forget new Conservative parties.
    Just put the sitting member last.

    Is that what America just did?

    Oh.
    Um … er.
    Golly, maybe it isn’t ideal in all situations.

  133. Mark A

    Some grave matters.

    A man is walking home from the pub and takes a shortcut through the churchyard. He hears a strange tapping noise which unnerves him a little.

    Further on he comes across a little old man with a hammer and chisel tapping at a headstone. “You gave me a fright” said the man, “what are you doing”?

    He replied,”Sorry sir, but they spelt my name wrong”.

    Someone walking through a graveyard and came across a man crying “why did you die, why did you die”.
    He stopped and said was it someone you loved very much?
    He said no, it’s the wife’s first husband,

  134. Rex Anger

    @ Mark A-

    You had me laughin’ so hard, you had me coffin!

  135. Top Ender

    The only thing saving Albo is the other members of his front bench are even more left-wing fruit loop than he is. Even they realise they’d be even more unelectable if they knifed him.

    Anthony Albanese’s authority has gone; he may go too

    GEOFF CHAMBERS

    Anthony Albanese must stop relying on proxies and mealy-mouthed language to persuade voters he is fair-dinkum about mining jobs and regional Australia.

    The Opposition Leader seems allergic to uttering the words “coal and gas”, flippantly referencing vague commitments to exporting resources.

    He prefers speaking about net-zero emissions targets and renewables. That’s his focus.

    Albanese’s claim that climate change divisions inside Labor are an invention of the media and “some who refuse to acknowledge the reality” is a cop-out. After last year’s election, the 57-year-old parliamentary veteran pledged to drag Labor back to the centre and win back disaffected voters in the regions and outer suburbs. Central to that mission was formulating a sensible, middle-ground approach to climate change and resources.

    Albanese has struggled in achieving that goal. He needs a stronger narrative to replace his soft rhetoric on resources. If his Left-faction colleague Murray Watt can get up in Rockhampton and speak glowingly of the mining sector, why can’t Albanese? Is it that he fears the backlash in his inner-Sydney seat of Grayndler?

    Kevin Rudd presented a model for modern Labor opposition leaders. He built a climate-action consensus ahead of the 2007 election because he brought regional communities with him.

    He travelled to a coalmine with Peter Garrett, lashed Bob Brown for having “rocks in his head” when the former Greens leader suggested shutting down the industry, and was rewarded with a rump of Queensland seats, which Labor seems incapable of winning back.

    Annastacia Palaszczuk embraced coal at last month’s Queensland election and reaped the benefits. But Albanese can’t bring himself to even visit a coalmine. He has also refused to shift his closest ally Mark Butler out of the climate portfolio.

    Butler has tried and failed to sell Labor’s ambitious emissions and climate agenda at two-elections. Despite pressure from colleagues to re-task Butler in next month’s shadow cabinet reshuffle, Albanese will not budge.

    “He’s doing an outstanding job,” Albanese said on Monday.

    History does not favour leaders who ignore the concerns of their party room.

    Joel Fitzgibbon’s resignation from shadow cabinet and his crusade to “get labour back into the Labor Party” and fix the ALP’s rhetoric on mining and blue-collar workers has resonated with colleagues.

    Any authority that Albanese had following the 2019 election is gone. Ahead of the year’s final two weeks of parliament, the sharks are circling.

    While there remains no clear candidate or immediate move, few in Labor believe they have a chance at the next election, which could be held as early as the back end of next year.

    The decision to hold the ALP national conference before Easter, where Labor will finalise its pre-election policy platform, combined with no improvement in Albanese’s performance, could well escalate leadership rumblings to a post-summer challenge.

    Oz

  136. Leigh Lowe #3669960, posted on November 24, 2020 at 10:12 pm
    Watched a doco on StanFlix today about the Spitfire.
    I did not know about the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA) which ferried aircraft from factories and repair facilities to operational airfields.
    Quite a few of them ladies.

    This vital deficiency in your knowledge would have been averted by when younger, reading various Fleetway picture libraries (War, Battle, Air Ace, etc.) + Commando.

  137. Mullumhillbilly

    the only time people can infect others is when they have the virus for the first time, and only when they are symptomatic. Lock downs and the use of masks by the healthy accomplish nothing.

    https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/study-asymptomatic-and-secondary-infected-individuals-do-not-infect-others/

  138. Arky

    Maybe the Liberal wets serve some electoral purpose I don’t understand.
    Maybe the gruesome procession of Pynes and Downers and Howards who I find so unappealing are really required to capture the votes in parts of this brown land that I just don’t understand.
    Maybe it’s coincidence that they share the RINO’s distaste for Trump, a penchant for leading us into endless and useless wars and inability to effectively communicate anything you or I would recognise as traditional conservative values.
    I don’t think so.
    This year has been a disaster, and our political class revealed as useless.

  139. jupes

    This year has been a disaster, and our political class revealed as useless.

    Worse than useless. They are the problem.

  140. calli

    I see the tenor of the US ‘toons has changed. Acceptance.

    It’s instructive, as many still hope for a legal outcome to remedy the shambles. Perhaps they are looking down the barrel at four years of cartooning fun. Why do they think they’ll even be published by the end of that?

  141. win

    Howard an Costello gave us the third highest living standard in the word. Something that was never mentioned in the MSM.

  142. Zyconoclast

    It’s a lot of firsts.

    There will be no 2024

    Alejandro Mayorkas, the first Latino chosen for President-elect Joe Biden’s Cabinet, will head a Department of Homeland Security that is expected to drastically overhaul President Donald Trump’s hard-line immigration policies, as well as put Mayorkas at the forefront of the new administration’s anti-terrorism strategy.

    Mayorkas will be the first Latino and first immigrant to head the Department of Homeland Security, if confirmed by the Senate. The highest-ranking Cuban American in the Obama administration, Mayorkas was deputy secretary of DHS under then-Secretary Jeh Johnson, and before that was the director of Citizenship and Immigration Services, a part of DHS that oversees granting citizenship and other immigration benefits.

  143. Bruce of Newcastle

    I see the tenor of the US ‘toons has changed. Acceptance.

    OANN doing the good work.

    Trump Campaign Continues To Fight As More Evidence Of Voter Fraud Emerges (24 Nov)

    Dominion Exec: Trump is not going to win – I made f***ing sure of that (24 Nov)

    The steal is so blatant, so obvious that it mystifies me why the right-wing commentators and cartoonists are acting this way. Is it fear?

  144. Herodotus

    Your daily dose of American Thinker:
    It’s War.
    link

  145. rickw

    To win this war, we must first accept that we are at war, that the enemy is real and homegrown, and grasp why and how it’s being waged against us.

    At this stage there is a lot of denial and wishing it wasn’t true.

  146. rickw

    Bewdy!
    Pauline grounds herself!

    The simple answer is to push for Joyce and his board to be publicly vaccinated.

    I guarantee those fucks won’t do it because the vaccine has been cooked up in a couple of months to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.

    Now fuck off UD.

  147. Cassie of Sydney

    Good morning to the waaacist.

  148. Cassie of Sydney

    Will the Bob the Racist line up to have the vaccination?

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    “The simple answer is to push for Joyce and his board to be publicly vaccinated.

    I guarantee those fucks won’t do it because the vaccine has been cooked up in a couple of months to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.”

    Yep.

  150. calli

    Is it fear?

    It’s always fear.

    It’s one of our Big Instructions, Bruce. Do Not Fear.

  151. Cassie of Sydney

    I’m getting in early…here’s the Daily Covid Toowoomba tally…courtesy of Shy Ted.

    Daily dose of Covid – 19.
    Toowoomba –
    Total dead – 0 (damn)
    Brain dead – 1
    Morally dead – 1

    We live in hope. One day….one day.

  152. Knuckle Dragger

    Serial underachiever and rogue midget penis enthusiast Joyce still pinging for vaccines, I see.

    If I may say, he’s putting greater store than he should in Qantas’ ‘iconic’ status in this country. The punters will cop his black staff rings and meddling in national pastimes like rugger (which he appears to have walked away from scot-free, by the way) for the sake of [overpriced] convenience, but if he’s counting on unwavering support forever for this nonsense he’s going to be sorely disappointed.

    He’ll be asking for gummint subsidies next, like the former car makers in this wide brown land.

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3670102, posted on November 25, 2020 at 6:36 am
    Your daily dose of American Thinker:
    It’s War.
    link”

    I was listening to James Delingpole’s youtube channel (always worth listening to) last night and he says similar.

  154. Zyconoclast

    Black Lives Matter activists are pressuring Democrats to embrace the BREATHE Act, which includes a section requiring a “roadmap for prison abolition.”

    “The BREATHE Act is a legislative love letter to Black people,” BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors wrote in an op-ed for Teen Vogue on Thursday.

    Democratic Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts announced the act in July, but it has not been brought before Congress.

    Cullors, who has written a letter to President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris requesting a meeting, told The Hollywood Reporter she is requesting that the new administration work to pass the BREATHE Act within the first 100 days.

  155. calli

    From American Thinker. Thanks Hero.

    Military strategists will tell you there’s a tendency to fight the last war. It’s a disastrous error. To win this war, we must first accept that we are at war, that the enemy is real and homegrown, and grasp why and how it’s being waged against us. We must resist the temptation to believe that the full-blown tyranny described really can’t happen here. We’ve received no pass, no exemption. We face the most perilous challenge ever to our liberties. We must accept the reality of this fight and engage with steely resolve and vigor or perish as a free people.

    Pretty much sums it up.

    Reflecting on the 2000 election and its legal ins and outs as I walked this morning. Another country, doing things differently. Today, the States has a new generation of youth who have sipped copiously at the poisoned well of university and superficial social media. They are prepared to do whatever it takes as foot soldiers for their pitiless masters. We watched it happen in real time.

    No acceptance of an unfavourable decision by SCOTUS, should that happen. They will burn and kill. The last four years is just a taste.

  156. Crossie

    Thanks Tom, Garrison’s toons rule.

  157. Zyconoclast

    Macron the comedian.

    French President Emmanuel Macron has asked M00slim leaders to agree a “charter of republican values” as part of a broad clampdown on radical [email protected]

    The charter will state that [email protected] is a religion and not a political movement, while also prohibiting “foreign interference” in M00slim groups.

  158. Dot

    No acceptance of an unfavourable decision by SCOTUS, should that happen. They will burn and kill. The last four years is just a taste.

    Shoot. Them. In. The. Face.

  159. Crossie

    The steal is so blatant, so obvious that it mystifies me why the right-wing commentators and cartoonists are acting this way. Is it fear?

    Right-wing? Who? The only two right wingers I know of are Alan Jones and Roman Dean and even they are sort of.

  160. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘They are prepared to do whatever it takes as foot soldiers for their pitiless masters.’

    Those same pitiless masters, calli, believe these people can be controlled. The frontmen of the Dems – Harris, the old derro etc – are the ones seen as socially acceptable, not necessarily acceptable to the brick peggers.

    Once they decide the current state of affairs isn’t radical enough for them, those same people will be out for the Democrat establishment, working on the belief that they’ve been betrayed.

    Just as the Maoist students turned on their teachers, this too will come to pass.

  161. notafan

    Most crime black people are in prison for is perpetuated against other black people.

    I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

  162. Zyconoclast

    Meanwhile in South Africa…

    Anti-riot police on Friday fired tear gas and water cannon at nearly 2,000 members of the radical left Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party who gathered near the school.

    Police fired tears, stun grenade and used water cannon to prevent the protesters from approaching the school,” Al Jazeera’s Fahmida Miller reported from Cape Town.

    Miller said the protesters were “quite peaceful” and have accused the police of being heavy-handed.

  163. Top Ender

    Sign the Petition:

    Maintain the Memory of our Meritorious ‘Many’

    The Chief of the Defence Force has stated that he will ask the Governor General of Australia to strip the Meritorious Unit Citation awarded to Task Force 66, Special Operations Task Groups who served during the period 30 April 2007 – 31 December 2013. This will impact over 3000 Special Operations personnel including the families of those heroes who have died in combat.

    Show your support for common sense and help us stop this persecution of ‘the many’ who served with honour.

  164. Dot

    Let us remind ourselves who is running BLM:

    https://www.influencewatch.org/person/susan-rosenberg/

    Susan Rosenberg is a convicted domestic terrorist and radical left activist whose youth was spent protesting the Vietnam War and racism in America. A member of the Weather Underground and other radical organizations which used violence as a tool for political change, Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in federal prison after being arrested for possession of explosives and weapons during the planning of a number of bombing operations. [1] She was also a suspect in a 1981 armored car robbery which left one guard and two officers dead. She was released in 2001 when then-President Bill Clinton commuted her sentence. [2]

    She should have been executed.

  165. notafan

    I’m at a loss as to why vaccines are the new boogaloo.

    They put an end to revolving door lockdowns, all that really matters is that they are safe and free from compulsion.

    There are plenty of other airlines, if Qantas is a problem for you.

    I’m sure he’s insisting for a couple of valid commercial reasons, to get back in the air and to avoid being sued by people claiming to have contracted covid on a Qantas flight.

  166. Shy Ted

    Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog It really isn’t, Sic. You’ve let it descend into a troll-infested, failing blog. Some of the stalwarts remain but you’ve lost so many of the long-term posters due to the first contact of and throughout the day being irritating, on which so many have commented. Posts are way down but for the occasional article and there are far more pleasant places to spend the hours. As with conservative politicians, The Australian and other supposed to represent us, people just give up on them. If it was a restaurant or any other place of business where people stopped coming due to having to share the place with a tiny minority of unpleasant characters, what would you do? Lose your regulars? You already have.

  167. shatterzzz

    How slow is OUR gummint! I received a letter from MEDICARE yesterday telling me that now I was over 70 (something that occurred several years ago) I MAY be entitled to free immunisation/s .. as listed .. it then listed a single ailment I’ve never heard of ZOSTER but after Googling discovered Zoster is another term for SHINGLES
    Wierd! Why would I rush off for an injection for something I have to Google!
    And then to add more fun to their missive they inform me that .. although the injection is free your vaccination provider MIGHT charge for administering it but you can claim it or a portion back on MEDICARE.
    The freebie you have when your not having a freebie brought to you several years later …..!

  168. Cassie of Sydney

    ” As with conservative politicians, The Australian and other supposed to represent us, people just give up on them.”

    Yep….and with the Oz newspaper, I’m finding I’m not even missing it since I cancelled my sub. I’ve noticed that even in the almost three weeks since I cancelled my sub, the paper has descended even further into progressive abyss.

  169. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’m at a loss as to why vaccines are the new boogaloo.

    They put an end to revolving door lockdowns, all that really matters is that they are safe and free from compulsion.”

    Notafan, I am not an anti-vaccer however I have doubts about any Covid vaccine due to the rush to create it. Vaccinations usually take years to develop.

    And as for “free from compulsion”….just watch…it’ll be compulsory….or if not, they’ll make life hard if you choose not to have it. You’ll be smeared as an anti-vaccer if you express doubts about the safety of the vaccine.

  170. calli

    This may have been linked before, but Daniel Greenfield has an interesting piece on how election of Secretary of State in key states was used to “win” the presidency.

    And, if I’ve read it correctly, every single one is a woman.

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    Susan Rosenberg is a convicted domestic terrorist and radical left activist whose youth was spent protesting the Vietnam War and racism in America.

    Is she a soul sister of that other skank Angela Davis? Obama’s bestie Bill Ayers would be in the mix as well.

  172. notafan

    Yes well I trust Donald Trump has done the right thing to facilitate these various reputable companies to produce vaccines.

    Even the US is talking herd immunity of 70% which allows a huge space for those who don’t want to get it.

    I bet all those democrats will be lining up for their dose of Trump Elixir in December and January.

    And then watch joyfully while Biden puts Americans last on the 21st January.

  173. Cassie of Sydney

    And re. the Covid vaccination….let’s wait and see if Morrison’s wife and two daughters have the shot, along with Greg Hunt’s family, Albanese’s son, Plibersek’s children…and so on. And why should children have it…they’re low risk of getting the virus and spreading the virus.

  174. Top Ender

    A student artist claims alleged Afghan war crimes are ‘Australia’s character on display’ and slammed the support given to stressed soldiers.

    Bobuq Sayed, a non-binary queer youth worker whose parents are Afghan refugees, wrote a scathing article for university-funded literary magazine Meanjin.

    Be warned – full access is here – and the photographs – apart from losing Our Bobuq any credibility he had pre-click, can’t be unseen

  175. Cassie of Sydney

    “Top Ender
    #3670163, posted on November 25, 2020 at 8:08 am”

    Tim Blair has an amusing blog post about “Bobuq”. As he is “non-binary queer”, I would love to send Bob back to Afghanistan. Let’s see how long he lasts there.

  176. pete m

    qantas can get indemnity waivers signed which prevent people suing them if they get covid. Perfectly legal and covers all aspects of negligence and contract liability.

    another option is to have the govt legislate away any legal right over covid infection to allow all businesses to get back up and running

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Shy Ted

    #3670148, posted on November 25, 2020 at 7:35 am

    Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog It really isn’t, Sic. You’ve let it descend into a troll-infested, failing blog.

    Never fear Ted.
    There is always … “The Other Place”.
    From what I hear they appear to have very tight controls on who posts there.

  178. Dot

    Bobuq Sayed, a non-binary queer youth worker whose parents are Afghan refugees, wrote a scathing article for university-funded literary magazine Meanjin.

    This kind of shit – and having rellos working for defence describing Antifa as the good guys and Trump supporters as Klansmen is why the West is dead and I want to leave.

    Japan, SG or a Christian majority island or peninsula in Indon.

    South Timor and Sulawesi look spectacular.

    So do their women.

    Putri Cinta 👌😘😍

  179. Terry Pedersen

    Reflecting on the 2000 election

    Ah, those were the days. Hanging chads and a compliant SCOTUS.

  180. Eyrie

    The Chicom flu has a quite low fatality rate and the life years lost by the oldies are few if any. It won’t take much of a down the track problem with the vaccine to make it not worth taking from a risk management point of view. The vaccines use new technology which has not been proven in the long term to not cause harm.
    This could make Thalidomide look like a very minor problem. Imagine if 5 to 10% of the population who took the vaccine develop various severe auto immune diseases a few years from now which is one possibility with mRNA vaccine or so I’ve read.
    Anyone wanting to bet the scum who run this country would let us know that was the cause?

  181. Eyrie

    Shy Ted

    #3670148, posted on November 25, 2020 at 7:35 am

    Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog It really isn’t, Sic. You’ve let it descend into a troll-infested, failing blog.

    Yep, +1 Shy Ted. Numbers has had more than a fair go and hasn’t contributed anything new in a long time, just a waste of bandwidth.

  182. H B Bear

    It really isn’t, Sic. You’ve let it descend into a troll-infested, failing blog.

    Yes but it’s OUR failed, troll-infested blog.

  183. Mother Lode

    Most crime black people are in prison for is perpetuated against other black people.

    I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

    Thinking things through is so…so…’white’!

  184. H B Bear

    We love our trolls like Hammy (RIP). A few others need to lift their game.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    H B Bear

    #3670195, posted on November 25, 2020 at 9:05 am

    We love our trolls like Hammy (RIP). A few others need to lift their game.

    We also need to get some people back here who can predict the future.
    I miss that.

  186. Cassie of Sydney

    “H B Bear
    #3670195, posted on November 25, 2020 at 9:05 am
    We love our trolls like Hammy (RIP). A few others need to lift their game.”

    I like Monty!

    I do not like Vietman.

  187. Arky

    I like Monty!

    ..
    What about him do you like?
    That he attracts the flies away from the BBQ?
    That you never have to have that awkward moment over who is going to eat the last timtam?
    That you can always find him in the dark due to the dull ginger glow?

  188. cohenite

    Rowe is just a piece of shit. Tom, don’t give the prick air.

  189. Cassie of Sydney

    “That he attracts the flies away from the BBQ?
    That you never have to have that awkward moment over who is going to eat the last timtam?
    That you can always find him in the dark due to the dull ginger glow?”

    All of those things!

  190. Arky

    I like Monty!

    ..
    What about him do you like?

    ..
    That you can annoy your neighbours with noxious odours without having to spread dynamic lifter on the garden?
    That small children will never pester you while he’s about in fear of being eaten?
    Or do you have an under pinning business and you enjoy the damage he brings to building foundations?

  191. Rex Anger

    @ Top Ender-

    Ol’ Bobby Sayed seems just a smidge hypocritical of the ‘character’ of the coumtry that adopted it and its parents.

    Still, students gonna stew…

    Dunno about the choice.of pictures, though. It looks like Bobby was auditioning for a ‘culturally appropriate’ remake of a Lady Gaga hit.

    (I’m your biggest man, / I’ll dance for you ’til you like me / Bacha- Bacha Bazi… )

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    War crimes report: ‘Don’t strip my dead son’s award from us’, says Afghan veteran’s father

    Ben Packham
    FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
    @bennpackham
    26 minutes ago November 25, 2020

    The father of a commando killed by a Taliban rocket attack in ­Afghanistan says if the Chief of Defence Force Angus Campbell wants to revoke his son’s meritorious service award, he can ­“collect it himself from my son’s gravestone”.

    Felix Solomon Sher, the father of Private Gregory Michael Sher, wrote to General Campbell urging him to reconsider his decision to strip the Meritorious Unit Citation from 3000 special forces task group members to reflect their “collective responsibility” for alleged war crimes committed by 25 soldiers.

    But General Campbell said the decision had been made and would not be reversed.

    Amid growing anger in the special forces community, preparations are under way for an ­online petition protesting the decision to be presented to federal parliament.

    It also emerged the government set the wheels in motion to strip the citation from special ­forces members who served in ­Afghanistan five months ago — before Defence had even seen the Brereton war crimes report.

    Private Sher, a reservist from the untarnished 1st Commando Regiment, was killed at a forward operating base in Oruzgan province in January 2009, well before the majority of alleged war crimes identified by NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his four-year inquiry.

    Mr Sher keeps his son’s Meritorious Unit Citation in a framed display above the insignia that soldiers wear on the right side of their chest.

    “If he wants it back, he can come and collect it himself from my son’s gravestone,” Mr Sher told The Australian.

    Mr Sher’s letter, co-written with Ray Palmer, whose son ­Private Scott Travis Palmer was killed in Afghanistan in a June 2010 helicopter crash, asked ­General Campbell why 99.3 per cent of special forces soldiers who served in Afghanistan were being punished for the actions of just 0.7 per cent.

    “Many will see this action as particularly unjust if commanders who were decorated for their command and leadership with distinguished service awards get to keep theirs, whilst junior soldiers lose theirs,” they wrote.

    The decision was “a particularly brutal blow to the families of those who, like us, have lost someone in this war”.

    “The mere act of removing a decoration from display cabinets is not one they should have to ­endure,” the fathers said.

    A website has been set up by unnamed former special forces operators to collect names for a petition to “maintain the memory of our meritorious many”. It asks supporters to include their contact details so they can be sent the petition when it is ready to sign.

    General Campbell announced last week he had accepted Justice Brereton’s recommendation that he request the Governor-General to revoke the Meritorious Unit Citation for all special forces task groups who served in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2013.

  193. thefrollickingmole

    FMD.

    Friedeggburger needs to be emasculated by a pack of wild dingoats, be dragged across a salt field then packed in the nose of a VW beetle and fired towards the heart of the sun
    Not that Im advocating violence.

    Hes specifically including their ABC as worthy of funding from the internet levy they are looking at, when even Sims said they should be left out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/nov/25/google-and-facebook-news-payments-to-include-abc-and-sbs-after-change-to-draft-code
    Australia’s mandatory news code no longer excludes the ABC and the SBS from receiving payments from Google and Facebook for using their content.

    The addition of the public broadcasters is one of the significant changes treasurer Josh Frydenberg has made to the draft mandatory news code before it is tabled in parliament by 10 December.

    Labor, the Greens and several crossbenchers suggested the ABC and SBS should be added to the ranks of Australian news publishers to benefit from the code, in the interests of helping to gain broad cross-party support for the legislation.

    When he announced the draft code, the chair of the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission, Rod Sims, said the ABC and SBS were excluded because they were funded by the taxpayer.

    If passed, the legislation would force Google and Facebook to share revenue from news links with Nine Entertainment, News Corp, and any other eligible media companies including Guardian Australia, or pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines.

  194. H B Bear

    Rowe is just a Rowe is just a piece of shit. Tom, don’t give the prick air.

    At last, a BDS program we can all get behind. Take that GetUp.

  195. Maj

    And as for “free from compulsion”….just watch…it’ll be compulsory….or if not, they’ll make life hard if you choose not to have it.

    Without you eVaxx™ app up to date…no holidays (already announced), your children banned from school, not allowed entry to hospitality venues, and maybe even losing your job.

    Hey, but all this is YOUR CHOICE.

  196. H B Bear

    Personally, I do not need to be encouraged to boycott Australia’s leading anti-business business daily pamphlet. It practically does not sell itself.

  197. Maj

    There are plenty of other airlines, if Qantas is a problem for you.

    The leprechaun let the cat out of the bag. All of the airlines are going to be in on this scam:

    “We are looking at changing our terms and conditions to say for international travelers, that we will ask people to have a vaccination before they can get on the aircraft. Certainly for international visitors coming out, and people leaving the country. We think that’s a necessity. I think that’s going to be a common thing talking to my colleagues in other airlines around the globe.

  198. War crimes report: ‘Don’t strip my dead son’s award from us’, says Afghan veteran’s father

    They need to wait until the ADF has laid charges against the alleged perpetrators, and they’ve had their day in court. If found guilty, they should lose their awards. Just them – nobody else.

  199. Mother Lode

    I like Monty!

    I do not like Vietman.

    I do not like Vietman,
    I do not like him, Cass-You-Am,

    I do not like him on The Cat,
    I do not like him at Nui Dat,

    I do not like him teaching class,
    I do not like him driving cars,

    I do not like him faking smart,
    I do not like him lacking heart,

    I do not like him playing pedant,
    I do not like his lefty cant,

    I do not like him spreading lies,
    I do not like him anywise,

    I do not like this Vietman,
    I do not like him, Cass-you-am.

  200. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3670233, posted on November 25, 2020 at 9:52 am”

    LOL…very clever!

  201. Maj

    If you wanted a brand for a new party for the next election in your state it should be this: The Anti – Lockdown Party.

    “Reform OZ” like Nigel Farage’s “Reform UK”?

  202. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Rowe is just a piece of shit. Tom, don’t give the prick air.

    I always skip rowe he is predictable and quite frankly gay

  203. Mother Lode

    Rowe is just a piece of shit. Tom, don’t give the prick air.

    He has very few jokes, none of which are funny, which he uses again and again and again.

    But more curious is the parallel universe he inhabits. Today is the second day where Trump is in a bunker and Biden is standing next to the flag on the green (where Dominion has just put three golf-balls marked ‘Biden’ in the whole, no doubt) looking relaxed, confident, and mentally composed – with the slight smile of a man who has executed a plan perfectly.

    Has Rowe ever seen Biden? Or heard him speak?

    Bizarro-world.

  204. areff

    Why would I rush off for an injection for something I have to Google!

    Having had shingles twice, let me advise you to look up another word: ‘misery’

    Did not know there was a vaccine for this curse, so thanks for letting me know. Will bring it up with the doc the next time I’m there.

  205. candy

    It’s very sad the father of the deceased soldier is not allowed to keep his son’s service award. What was his boy guilty of, and there was or is no trial. The fellow is deceased.

    What’s going on here with the DVA and the Liberal Government they let things like this happen.
    It’s just mystifying.

  206. Mother Lode

    Personally, I do not need to be encouraged to boycott Australia’s leading anti-business business daily pamphlet. It practically does not sell itself.

    I always wonder that they keep him. Do they really think their target market will look at Rowe’s cartoons and nod their head with a wry smile?

    Or is it more a ‘packaging’ thing. Business papers being very fond caricatures of the people they write about rather than just photographs.

    Or perhaps they keep a page where they put all their corrections, retractions, and other confessions of journalistic misdeeds, and put Rowe’s cartoons there to stop people looking at the page for more than the split second it takes to register a Rowe toon is on the page.

  207. candy

    Bizarro-world.

    I’ve noticed the media have sort of altered pictures of Biden, making him look like a lovely kind, knowledgeable trustworthy statesman. Never any articles about the stupid demented things he has said or his perversions or corrupt activities.

    Rowe would know that, and I bet if he had young daughters he would not let them near Biden.

  208. cohenite

    Did not know there was a vaccine for this curse, so thanks for letting me know. Will bring it up with the doc the next time I’m there.

    Get a new doc; if he/she did not tell you during your last 2 bouts of shingles then he/she has let you down. I got shingles, recognised the symptoms and had the antiviral – Zovirax – which greatly reduced the symptoms. It is not a vaccine and must be taken in the first couple of days to be effective, and you still get symptoms which I then treated with some Calamine lotion.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Having had shingles twice, let me advise you to look up another word: ‘misery’

    Did not know there was a vaccine for this curse, so thanks for letting me know. Will bring it up with the doc the next time I’m there.

    And it has the potential to cause serious damage in some cases.
    It is a pity that the immense good done by vaccines is being partially undone.

  210. thefrollickingmole

    areff
    #3670240, posted on November 25, 2020 at 10:02 am
    Having had shingles twice, let me advise you to look up another word: ‘misery’

    Horrible little condition.
    We got lucky and caught one of our blokes having his first outbreak in 48 hrs, and arranged a special medication flight to ensure he got the anti-viral meds to stop it the same day.

    Very lucky pickup, he came in about something completely different and happened to ask “what do you think this is” at the end.

    Couple of patches of watery little blisters up the leg. Sent a pic to the doc for confirmation and it was shingles.

    Have had a few patients with it, and yes, it is a miserable condition.

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