Help stop Angus Campbell’s plan to rat on Afghanistan heroes

 
The recommendation to expunge the MUC was made by Knox Grammar Cadet Unit veteran, Paul Brereton.

 
I nominate General Campbell and Major General Brereton to visit the Palmers and retrieve their son’s insignia.

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75 Responses to Help stop Angus Campbell’s plan to rat on Afghanistan heroes

  1. PoliticoNT

    If CDF ends up having to resign over the mess he has created it will be just desserts for embracing the likes of Samantha Compvoerts.

    Either values mean something, or they don’t.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I nominate General Campbell and Major General Brereton to visit the Palmers and retrieve their son’s insignia.

    In the full glare of publicity, and in front of a deputation of ex – servicemen and veterans. General Campbell and Major General Brereton can explain why the fvck anyone should ever bother to enlist, ever again!

  3. Herodotus

    The long march hasn’t stopped yet.

  4. Bronson

    ah politics it’s allows wankers relevance

  5. Lee

    If our current ADF “leaders” (and certain former ones – David Morrison, for instance) were on fire, I wouldn’t piss on them.

  6. Roger

    General Campbell and Major General Brereton can explain why the fvck anyone should ever bother to enlist, ever again!

    Men will continue to enlist because they are patriots and want to serve the country.

    They deserve better at the top.

  7. Albatross

    Herodotus
    #3673100, posted on November 27, 2020 at 7:11 pm
    The long march hasn’t stopped yet.

    Not until you’re a slave.

  8. Albatross

    Roger
    #3673103, posted on November 27, 2020 at 7:14 pm
    General Campbell and Major General Brereton can explain why the fvck anyone should ever bother to enlist, ever again!

    Men will continue to enlist because they are patriots and want to serve the country.

    Kek. No they won’t.

  9. Bronson

    Has Scotty from marketing woken up to the complete fvck up he and his Rsole minders have made of this? Uthe bloke is a complete wavker.

  10. Robber Baron

    Morrison thinks being PM is the same as running Tourism Australia.

    Frydenberg waits….

  11. Old School Conservative

    Robber Baron
    #3673116, posted on November 27, 2020 at 7:26 pm
    Morrison thinks being PM is the same as running Tourism Australia.

    How quickly things change.
    Before the last election I thought the above was an unfair slur on a decent man.
    Now I consider “Scotty from Marketing” is far too mild a criticism of the globalist incompetent ruining our country.

  12. Roger

    Always helpful when a troll outs himself as such early in the piece.

    Saves a lot of time.

  13. Squirrel

    With media questions to Burr today about the Yamashita doctrine, and parallels being drawn to the shameful treatment of Vietnam vets, it’s obvious this is going to get very interesting.

  14. Roger

    With media questions to Burr today about the Yamashita doctrine, and parallels being drawn to the shameful treatment of Vietnam vets, it’s obvious this is going to get very interesting.

    They’ve learned nothing.

    Time to clean the Augean stables.

    But who is there to order it?

  15. Tel

    The phrase “to rat on” implies a criminal conspiracy exists and all members of this conspiracy should shut up and protect the others.

    I don’t want to have any of this done in secret … if there’s evidence of a crime then it should be brought out in the open with a legitimate legal process that is visible to the tax payers. Dare I say it, but I’m a stakeholder … I stumped up the money for this … and I want to see what happens under the hood. No secret conspiracies, no secret trials either.

    If there are guilty parties then by all means they should be punished, if there’s a failure of leadership at a time of national emergency that also should be punished.

    Men will continue to enlist because they are patriots and want to serve the country.

    They deserve better at the top.

    Yeah … well it’s a lot easier to find someone willing to sit in the big chair, get the big pay and smoke the big stogie than it is to find someone getting low pay and wanting to wedge down behind a rock with bullets tickling their ears. By my measure of who is most replaceable in this situation … I would start from the top and work down.

  16. Roger

    If there are guilty parties then by all means they should be punished, if there’s a failure of leadership at a time of national emergency that also should be punished.

    Cf. Churchill’s ‘Knowledge Inventory’ for those at the top of a bureaucratic/military hierarchy.

    It was the business of the commanders to know what was happening on the ground – they should have actively inqired into it.

    If diggers who served honourably are to forego battlefield honours, so should the responsible commanders, for their command was in no way “distinguished.”

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Churchill’s ‘Knowledge Inventory’

    First time I’d heard of that one, thank you.

  18. Roger

    First time I’d heard of that one, thank you.

    You’re welcome, Zulu.

    Here it is:

    Why didn’t I know?
    Why didn’t my advisers know?
    Why wasn’t I told?
    Why didn’t I ask?

    It could be updated thus:

    What don’t I know?
    What don’t my advisers know?
    What am I not being told?
    What should I ask?

  19. You’re right, Roger. Such questions are there to ensure leaders can’t plead ignorance of negligence occurring under their noses.

    Otherwise there is no accountability.

  20. candy

    I nominate General Campbell and Major General Brereton to visit the Palmers and retrieve their son’s insignia.

    That would take quite some courage. I don’t think it will happen.

  21. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Robber Baron at 7:26 pm:

    “Morrison thinks being PM is the same as running Tourism Australia.

    Frydenberg waits….”

    When Tony Abbott let Morrison have his head as Minister for Stopping Illegals he got on with the job, with a couple of senior public servants showing him what to do, and produced impressive results. Immediately – immediately – the call came from Catallaxy contributors to have him installed as next prime minister.

    I commented at the time that no-one knew anything about him, his background, the identity of his benefactors, the favours he owed and to whom. The popular view here was “propel him to the fore!” just as they clamoured for Bolt when he kicked off his television show ten years before that. “He has lovely soft hair” I recall “A future prime minister no less.” Aaaarrgghhh!

    At the first sign of a fall in the polls for Tony Abbot, Minister Morrison instantly forgot who gave him his ministerial start and welcomed the universally useless Liberal members in to hear them sob (about the threat to their superannuation). As if that wasn’t warning enough – Morrison helped muster the numbers for the small but perfectly formed carpet stroller Stumble and delivered the final half dozen lot of feeble sheilas to get him across the line.

    He’s a snake, he made that clear five years ago. Does no-one here remember?

    The member for Goldman Sachs showed his gratitude by treating him like his house boy and Morrison didn’t once look ready or willing to job the turd. He eventually demonstrated Julie Bishop-like loyalty to the party by unseating the sleazy little slug after he paid millions to make it his own (I did enjoy that) – they deserved each other – and Morrison became king.

    “Frydenberg waits” you say. I would not know him if I tripped over him. He’d be small and bald, a party hack no doubt, a featherweight.

    I think it is a waste of time bothering with who is who after the anxiety driven scramble to get out from behind Tony Abbott, who gave them all government. They are mostly still there and they are all the same as Morrison, stupid – too dumb to be unscrupulous, filling a space until they get shoved aside by the Labor boofheads. They have no mission or vision beyond setting themselves up for the next do nothing job paid for by the taxpayer.

    Look at that kraut mediocrity who is now keeping company with the European intelligentsia as ambassador to somewhere over there – jumped ship as soon as his entitlements were locked in and straight onto the next easy gig, with no performance standards to be met.

    Everyone here knew what they were getting with Morrison and his gaggle of nobodies.

  22. flyingduk

    I have been a defence reservist for 20+ years, including 2 deployments to Afghanistan, and one to Iraq, and was awarded an MUC (in Iraq, not Afghanistan). It is a disgrace that Angus Campbell didn’t toss his own DSC on the table and offer his own resignation as his opening sentence when announcing the findings of the Brereton report. What a pathetic, snivelling curr of a leader. You disgust me sir!

  23. C.L.

    I think you overstate the Morro-love on this site, Mick, but you’re right that the whole catastrophe dates from the betrayal of Abbott who was just too culturally problematic for the wilting daisies of the contemporary Liberal Party. That’s notwithstanding the disastrous lengths to which Abbott himself went to soften his own image.

  24. C.L.

    Thank you for your service, ‘duk – and Z and others.

  25. Dot

    What happens at Duntroon?

    Sex assignment survey for your noggin?

    All I see in the top brass are flogs who are wannabe politicians.

    Absolute cockheads.

    No young man in Australia should join the ADF in current year.

  26. Jonesy

    ….what was that quote…”The standard you walk by..”
    Flyingduk, my sentiments exactly. I thought Australian leaders were different better than the appointed. The guff about no one above the rank of Lieutenant were guilty riles me to the bone. In this modern army NOBODY goes out on a jolly, slips under the wire (especially a tasked helo) and commits atrocities and be home for crumpet.

  27. twostix

    My casual following of all this reminds me of the Boer war / Breaker Morant stuff.

    Perhaps the ruling class have decided to make friends with the totally subded middle east now, like they did the Boers after the war.

  28. egg_

    ah politics it’s allows wankers relevance

    Amen.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is a disgrace that Angus Campbell didn’t toss his own DSC on the table and offer his own resignation as his opening sentence when announcing the findings of the Brereton report.

    That would have been the act of a true leader.

  30. Oh come on

    We are cutting the balls off the ADF.

  31. Oh come on

    When the Chinese invade, they will find the most formidable and sophisticated creche service arrayed against them. It will even have the capability to care for the children of the invaders, should they bring any along.

  32. John A

    Mick Gold Coast QLD #3673244, posted on November 27, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    From Robber Baron at 7:26 pm:

    “Morrison thinks being PM is the same as running Tourism Australia.

    Frydenberg waits….”

    When Tony Abbott let Morrison have his head as Minister for Stopping Illegals he got on with the job, with a couple of senior public servants showing him what to do, and produced impressive results. Immediately – immediately – the call came from Catallaxy contributors to have him installed as next prime minister.

    I commented at the time that no-one knew anything about him, his background, the identity of his benefactors, the favours he owed and to whom. The popular view here was “propel him to the fore!” just as they clamoured for Bolt when he kicked off his television show ten years before that. “He has lovely soft hair” I recall “A future prime minister no less.” Aaaarrgghhh!

    An example of the Peter Principle in action. A person promoted to one level beyond their level of competence.

  33. Makka

    The heads of the ADF are working toward making the military in their own image ie a bunch of girly men. In their hearts they are jealous of the Regiment’s skills, courage and service in real combat.

    This is a disgraceful episode in our proud and hard won military history. A history created by our diggers and troopers that current ADF leadership are not fit carry water for.

  34. Scott Osmond

    Fire them. Charges of conduct unbecoming would be a nice Christmas present. But it won’t happen. The defence minister and pm are more interested in a feminized multi-racial and lbgiqp feel good force. I am seriously considering if our leaders are on the CCP payroll. Certainly would make a takeover easier.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My casual following of all this reminds me of the Boer war / Breaker Morant stuff.

    I’m a long standing student of the “Breaker Morant” matter – that wasn’t his real name, he was Edwin Murrant, small time crook and conman, and he and Peter Handcock were suspected of some thirty murders, but no one bothered about Africans.

    Morant’s own men made the sworn statements to higher command, that led to those trials and executions – they were sickened by what they saw as nothing more then murder.

    Morant’s own men swore that “the belief that secret orders existed, prohibiting the taking of prisoners was a belief held only by the green, the gullible, and the stupid.”

    Almost all of the murdered Boers were what the Boers contemptuously called “Handsoppers – they were obeying British calls to surrender, place themselves under the jurisdiction of the nearest Provost Marshall, take the oath of allegiance to the British Crown, go home, and take no further part in the fighting.

    The film “Breaker Morant” may be a very good “court room drama” but it bears very little relationship to the truth.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    Men will continue to enlist because they are patriots and want to serve the country.

    They deserve better at the top.

    No. Zero reason to enlist until we are under attack and even then we must be cautious about doing so.

  37. David

    The soldiers you win a war with have been described by the Duke of Wellington.
    “ I don’t know what effect these men have on the enemy, but by God , they frighten me. “

  38. Dot

    No man has any reason to join the military in this country.

    Let the women and trannies have it.

  39. Dot

    Morant’s own men swore that “the belief that secret orders existed, prohibiting the taking of prisoners was a belief held only by the green, the gullible, and the stupid.”

    You’re backing Lord Kitchener who was an incompetent and effeminate Col. Blimp. He started concentration camps as a thing. The secret orders almost certainly existed.

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    He’s a snake, he made that clear five years ago. Does no-one here remember?

    I certainly do and ‘snake’ is the noun I always use when referring to that spineless, feckless, craven snake sitting atop the ministerial pile of crap which is the ‘leadership’ of this benighted country. Always the snake oozing hypocrisy from every poor. Sheds one skin to put on another — the-hale-fellow-well-met-hand-on-shoulder smugness of the snake while Treacherous Turnbull was in the job was just nauseating.

  41. Clam Chowdah

    It is a disgrace that Angus Campbell didn’t toss his own DSC on the table and offer his own resignation as his opening sentence when announcing the findings of the Brereton report.

    I know currently serving officers who are saying the same thing.

  42. Entropy

    David
    #3673390, posted on November 28, 2020 at 6:23 am
    The soldiers you win a war with have been described by the Duke of Wellington.
    “ I don’t know what effect these men have on the enemy, but by God , they frighten me. “

    Coincidently working my way through the five Sharpe’s War series on US iTunes. Spoiler: Sean Bean doesn’t die in this one. I want the best soldiers to have a warrior code.

  43. Arky

    I’m going to be unpopular.
    Tough shit.
    Army isn’t shy about the fact that you are there at their pleasure, not yours.
    You get told you are being indoctrinated.
    You get told you are dispensable and they’ll cut you loose at the first sign of you being no longer useful.
    That’s the way it operates, that’s the way it HAS to operate.
    No one here is under any illusions about what the beast is.
    You get told, straight up, right from the start that’s the deal, and right from day one you watch men get culled as they are no longer useful.
    In the 2000s, in pre-deployment training, they brought in a lawyer, sat us down and we were told: “I’m army, but if you fuck up it’s my job to prosecute you, and that is how I make my career and I’ll go after you with everything I can”.
    Not a secret that this is how it works.
    Also not a secret that as a lower rank you will get the blame. All of you have heard it, seen it, made jokes about it. You have all said at one time or another: “Shit runs down hill”.
    And you would all join up and serve again no matter what.

  44. Dot

    It is a *shame* there is no credible witnesses.

    Anyone making a prosecution off of the Campbell Report would risk the possibility of disbarment.

  45. Judge Dredd

    This is clearly designed so that it discourages strong men from entering into the armed services, thereby removing a potential bastion of defense against globohomo and progressivism.
    Of course we should never have sent our men to foreign shores to battle for the elite, but then to try to strip them of their dignity, that’s another disgusting blow.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You’re backing Lord Kitchener who was an incompetent and effeminate Col. Blimp. He started concentration camps as a thing. The secret orders almost certainly existed.

    So, on one hand the British are urging the Boers to surrender, place themselves under the jurisdiction of the nearest Provost Marshall, give their word to take no further part in the fighting, take the oath of allegiance to the British Crown and go home – the “Bushveldt Carbineers” were a mounted constabulary raised to accept those surrenders and escort them to the British Provost Units – and on the other hand, secret orders are give that no prisoners are to be taken, and shooting Boers attempting to surrender is all well and good?

  47. Makka

    Arky,
    None of that justifies stripping SASR of their unit citation or the arse covering afforded the unit commanders. So yeah , your mealy mouthed apologies for an ADF leadership best suited to deciding the colour of finger nail polish for the troops this month isn’t accepted.

  48. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    That cowardly swivel eyed lunatic campbell’s position is untenable.

  49. Gyro Cadiz

    General Campbell and Major General Brereton should already have resigned what happened was THEIR responsibility to accept, as they are in the CDF and CA position.

    Dot on Kitchener’s “secret orders”: they never existed. Historians have been searching for them, or any hint of them, for over a century. Not one skerrick of evidence has ever been found.

    Morant deserved to be shot, he was little more than a brigand-in-uniform and he was definitely a serial killer.

  50. Arky

    None of that justifies stripping SASR of their unit citation

    ..
    So what? You joined up to be treated fair?
    Ha ha ha ha ha, HA HA HA.
    You joined the wrong game.

  51. Dot

    Pro Kitchener.

    Wow.

    …and you wonder why scum rises to the top.

    Scorched earth…he wouldn’t give a secret order.

    Fishnets and Crompveots, they wouldn’t fuck over real soldiers.

  52. Arky

    The expectation that an institution whose sole purpose is to kill c*nts, should or would treat you fairly is delusional.

  53. Arky

    And I’d join up again in a second.
    In a second.
    Even if it meant having to pack some idiot chick’s tampons around because her tush is too sore to march.
    The new army eh? Faaaaaaaark.
    Yeah, the problem is about this inquiry.

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Morant deserved to be shot, he was little more than a brigand-in-uniform and he was definitely a serial killer.

    There was an article on the Morant case over on the Oz website, funny, all the comments have just gone down the memory hole…..”closed for commenting.”

  55. Rex Anger

    The expectation that an institution whose sole purpose is to kill c*nts, should or would treat you fairly is delusional.

    And yet, in many cases they did. And would. And do. So long as you are not a Numbers-level jack arsehole.

    Arky is correct that the culture can be rough. But at the low levels, it is honest in this. And you alays have your mates and the boozer to laugh out the worst of the PC stupidity and madness…

  56. max

    Anti-Federalist Papers Prophetic words and wisdom:

    The power of direct taxation will further apply to every individual, as congress may tax land, cattle, trades, occupations, etc. in any amount, and every object…
    The standing army and select militia would enforce the collection.
    standing army, which would be inconsistent with every idea of liberty; for the same force that may be employed to compel obedience to good laws, might and probably would be used to wrest from the people their constitutional liberties.
    A standing army in the hands of a government placed so independent of the people, may be made a fatal instrument to overturn the public liberties; it may be employed to enforce the collection of the most oppressive taxes, and to carry into execution the most arbitrary measures. An ambitious man who may have the army at his devotion, may step up into the throne, and seize upon absolute power.
    The standing army must be numerous, and as a further support, it will be the policy of this government to multiply officers in every department: judges, collectors, taxgatherers, excisemen and the whole host of revenue officers will swarm over the land, devouring the hard earnings of the industrious. Like the locusts of old, impoverishing and- desolating all before them.

  57. Rex Anger

    Arky is correct that the culture can be rough. But at the low levels, it is honest in this. And you alays have your mates and the boozer to laugh out the worst of the PC stupidity and madness…

    I suspect this is why every generation of veterans has struggled to reconnect with the veiled, ‘polite’ and coy and overtly (!) underhand ways of civvie life after the brutal honesty of service.

    And I suspect the disconnect is magnified as warfare continues to concentrate into an activiry waged by only a very few in Western society, for the infotainment of others.

    The only time in Australia’s history when there have been fewer people under arms or with experience of the same, would be just after European settlement here. In the 3 generations proceeding us, there was huge cultural and political memory of a generation at war, and needing to come to terms with itself afterwards. It was not talked about, but it was done.

    Now, PTSD is a lurid and morbid curiosity. Like most things related to mental health. And soviety would rather talk about such things incessantly (sometimes emotionally masturbate to or exploit foe money), rather than just resolve like it did in the past.

  58. arky:

    And you would all join up and serve again no matter what.

    No.
    I’d like to, but knowing what I know now, no way.
    I left disgusted at the behaviour of some I was supposed to look up to, and I remain disgusted to this very day because things would have not improved.

  59. SMIII:

    That cowardly swivel eyed lunatic campbell’s position is untenable.

    +100.
    And the same to Morrison, who showed such great promise, but shot his load within 5 seconds of being on the job.

  60. Max:

    A standing army in the hands of a government placed so independent of the people, may be made a fatal instrument to overturn the public liberties; it may be employed to enforce the collection of the most oppressive taxes, and to carry into execution the most arbitrary measures.

    Arbitrary measures?
    Like face masks?

  61. Mique

    The way the Defence hierarchy was headed was clearly demonstrated years ago when Houston and his fellow Chiefs threw Commodore Kafer under the bus when the egregious Steven Smith made his infamous speech outside Defence HQ about the ADFA sex scandal all those years ago. All five of them should immediately have resigned on the spot when Smith went against Kafer who was the only honourable actor in the whole farce.

    Nothing has changed. Nothing learned.

    A pox on them all.

  62. candy

    I still think the LNP has positively supported this as a way of making inroads into the Muslim vote here.
    Naturally Muslims are very sensitive and have deep feelings about what happened to civilians in their “home” country. You can well understand that.
    An apology to the PM of Afghanistan seems a political tactic here. If there was a trial, and some Army personnel were found guilty, apologies/compensation etc become a next step. But to apologise now seems to set the scene of guilt without trial and announced to the world that the SAS is full of murderers who tortured and massacred civilians just for the macho fun of it.

  63. Candy:

    I still think the LNP has positively supported this as a way of making inroads into the Muslam vote here.

    You are asking for the Australian Prime Minister to sack an Australian Army Unit to appease the Muslam Community without even going to trial to find out the facts?
    Incredible.

  64. Bronson

    Candy what point are you trying to make? Do don’t do a bit don’t do oh and have a trial. Take a deep breath have a think and try again because your last post is unintelligible drivel.

  65. candy

    Bronson
    The point I am making is that it is extraordinary for the prime minister to apologise to Afghanistan prime minister before the Brereton report was even released, let alone any trials of potential guilty soldiers.

    I think it was to appease the Australian M….m population, who I think will naturally be very upset about this, and at the same time gain inroads into votes in that community.
    I don’t think he did it lightly. To trash the SAS could not be done lightly. I think it was political. An opportunity.

  66. BrettW

    Candy,
    I think that is a bit of a stretch to suggest any PM, no matter which side of politics, would do that to please the locals M’s.

    Let us assume PM knows the full content of the report and the nature of the evidence. Once the report was released the Afghan PM is basically going to hear about it from the news reports. In such circumstances it is not unreasonable for him to brief Afghan PM and if he thought appropriate apologise. Or do we expect the Afghan PM to follow the news reports for the next few years ?

  67. Candy

    BrettW
    I don’t know but both he and General Campbell have apologised, for whatever reason before trials. The die is cast.

  68. Albatross

    Infidel Tiger
    #3673332, posted on November 27, 2020 at 11:57 pm
    […]
    No. Zero reason to enlist until we are under attack and even then we must be cautious about doing so.

    Not sure why China would attack Gwailo Province a.k.a. Australia?

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not sure why China would attack Gwailo Province a.k.a. Australia?

    Why? Adopt the same strategy that the Imperial Japanese Army did in World War Two. Isolate Australia from her allies and wait for the barbarians to come to their senses and sign the surrender.

  70. Rex Anger

    Not sure why China would attack Gwailo Province a.k.a. Australia?

    As a polite reminder to all their satrapies, vassals and ‘Co-prosperitors’ in every invented historical/’ancestral’ claim to which the Middle Kingdom holds…

    “You see the Big-Noses? You don’t want to end up like them, do you tongzhi?

  71. lily

    He’s a snake, he made that clear five years ago. Does no-one here remember?
    Morrison is worse than a snake, he is a happy clapping false prophet and a fraud, I have been saying that for months. Believe me they are the worst.

  72. jupes

    Let us assume PM knows the full content of the report and the nature of the evidence. Once the report was released the Afghan PM is basically going to hear about it from the news reports. In such circumstances it is not unreasonable for him to brief Afghan PM and if he thought appropriate apologise. Or do we expect the Afghan PM to follow the news reports for the next few years ?

    It is absolutely unreasonable and stupid for Morrison to apologise for allegations, let alone offer compo.

    As the Bringing Them Home report showed, anyone who believes a report of untested allegations is a fool.

  73. Harry

    Can our Prime Minister take a solid step that these rumuor-mongering leftists get the right message? We, the quiet Australian people will not accept this bloody campaign against and vilification of our great heroes and would fight tooth and nail to thwart their divisive strategy to make us weak.

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