pbw on Deadlock

Edsgar Dijkstra became a programmer in 1951. He is one of the early giants in a field that saw an unprecedented explosion of intellectual activity. When multi-processing came to computing, the phenomenon of deadlock began to make a pest of itself. Processes would just sieze up, something that anyone with a personal computer or smartphone has probably observed. Dijkstra studied this problem, and in one of his simple, elegant expositions, showed that systems reached a point of no return before there are indications of trouble ahead. Processes could do essentially the same things thousands or millions of times without problems, then two or more of them would deadlock, no one of them able to continue. Until that happened, there would be no warning; yet, at some earlier moment the rubicon had been crossed, and it was only a matter of time.

There has always been a contempt for the rubes within the ruling class. Different rules have always applied. There has at least since the advent of mass media been manipulation of public opinion. Powerful agencies of government have always chafed against the restraints of law and representative government. There has been a widespread awareness of this malignancy – it is part of the background, it is part of what is thought of as normal. It is an assumption for those who have disconnected entirely from the “news” and the goings-on of politics, as it is for those who make their living, on way or another, from in politics. So it is that no-one noticed any change in the character of the times. The Zeitgeist flailed and raged much as it had before.

Towards the end of 2016, the Zeitgeists of the US intelligence agencies, almost all of the “reliable” news media, and the Democratic party, with a little assistance from confidential meetings here and there, combined to switch the political institutions of the United States onto the track of deadlock. There’s nowhere else to go now. Normal programming cannot be resumed.

Does any path remain to what was recently thought of as normalcy? Either way, the country will be split pretty much down the middle, with no realistic prospect of reconciliation. A nominally democratic country requires the consent of the governed. But all governments require a consent of the governed. That consent can be open-hearted and enthusiastic at one end of the spectrum, or forced, fearful and uncooperative at the other.

What happens if Biden is made President? Almost half of the US electorate have believed for the whole of President Trump’s first term that he was a puppet of President Putin. Most still believe it. A substantial percentage of those believe that the KGB hacked the voting machines. For them, a Biden victory is a culmination and a vindication of what they have always believed – that Trump stole the 2016 election. Some are calling for Trump to be prosecuted.

All of the media which require any kind of state licence will fall in step. The Deep Media , delirious with success, will pontificate that it is dangerous to peace and public order to be sceptical about the election. Trying to focus through all of the champagne, they will inshist that the country must now unite. Kumbaya! Let bygones be bygones, and prepare the lists.

For the rest of the country (remembering that Trump got a larger vote than any previous presidential candidate, and got it legitimately) “President Biden” will be the sign and effective agent of the total corruption of the US electoral system. The left, by definition, does not have the institutional commitment of conservatism. That conservatism will reduce the expressions of rejection should Biden win. “Not my President,” while it may not be chanted in the streets, will never be expunged from the awareness of a majority of those 70 million. More disturbing, that belief will be coupled for many of them with another: “Not my Commander-in-Chief.” Meanwhile Biden advertises his intention to enforce changes which will enrage these people.

What if Trump manages to defeat Biden’s bid? That’s why store-fronts are still boarded up in cities like Washington. All of the demonstrations supporting Trump have been peaceful; at least until the evening stragglers attract the Antifa and BLM heros out of the shadows. But if Trump wins, the People’s Militias of the Democrat Republic of the United States will attempt to restore disorder. The editor-in-chief of Jyllands-Posten, which originally published the Mohammed cartoons, has refused to republish any of them. “I wish it was different, that we could express ourselves freely, as we do in all other matters. But violence works.” That could be the Democrat motto of a second Trump term.

There is no realistic prospect of unifying the country. The Western countries whose self-perception was, quite recently, of upholding the finest traditions of the enlightenment are being racked by an upheaval of Cultural Revolution proportions, if not yet of that intensity. The bodies are not floating down the rivers. But the crazy collectives determine who is hired and fired at once-respectable outlets like the The New York Times and The Guardian. The PLA is not available to temper the enthusiasms of the radicals as it did the Red Guards, and stability in Western societies cannot be restored by taking control of the CCP.

The cultural vandalism of Covid-19 totalitarianism is the closest our societies have come to that sort of absolute authority, and Western elites are loving it. From this experience bizarre alignments are forming between conservatives and anarchist-influenced radicals. There’s no roadmap for this; not for the USA, not for any in the West. Whatever happens in the US is going to have profound implications for us here. Buckle up.

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107 Responses to pbw on Deadlock

  1. Boambee John

    pbw

    There is no realistic prospect of unifying the country

    Then, the rational solution is clear, and has already been written.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    Whether the power hungry fascists of the Cheatorat Party could accept the loss of half of those whom they hoped to force to bend to their will, and more than half of their territory, is doubtful. But the alternative is far worse – revolution and civil war.

  2. Phill

    Well said. To me, it is all now down to the integrity of the judges, especially those in the US supreme court.

  3. C.L.

    Superb post.

    Yes, the media and the Democrats have artfully sanctioned violence against the GOP and this makes it dangerous for those responsible for prosecuting election fraudsters or overturning their fraud.

  4. Peter Pickled

    A revolution in the US would last less than a week. Dem supporters, antifa, BLM, cultured elite would melt like rancid butter.

    The sooner its done the better.

  5. C.L.

    We’ve been hearing that for yonks, Peter.
    US right-wingers by definition are family people, loyal employees, business owners etc.
    They also tend to be privatistic – more so now than ever before; which is to say, they want to mind their own business. Such people are not going to form militias to overthrow the government.

  6. Bruce

    To whose advantage is it for the USA to be split and “Balkanized” or torn apart by civil war?

    Follow the money and the megalomania.

    For those unable, or refusing, to see what is happening; here are some words from a bloke who knew a thing or two about such matters.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
    ― Samuel Adams

  7. candy

    That was a good read thanks.

    Seems to me that the Left and especially hard left like the current American Democrats have always counted on the conservative side to be civil, not to make a fuss. I wonder if this will still be the case if the fraud Biden becomes President.
    He’s not just a cheat either, but worse.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    The comment about the cartoons is more pertinent that perhaps you might think Pbw.

    What you are seeing is the rise of a new religion.

    The Left now has accreted the climate cult into their Marxist dogma. They believe with a capital B that the world will burn up in only a few years unless they save us all, by totalitarian control of everything. They seriously believe that Trump is destroying the whole world by not acting on mythological global warming.

    This is 632 AD all over again.

    Because the core of the Left believe this, they think absolutely anything is justified in their cause to save the planet. Legality is out the window. It’s the worst example of noble cause corruption that I’ve ever seen.

    Of course the real world data shows nothing much is actually happening. But they believe, so that isn’t barrier.

    Once you comprehend their worldview the events of the election are completely understandable. Which isn’t to say (yet) that they will be successful. But if you think Biden will ditch the Nude Eel, having gotten to the top job, is not to understand the enormous momentum of the Dem base below him.

  9. Tom

    And just like that, with the future of the USA still in the balance, Fox News sent all its on-air talent on a Thanksgiving holiday: Tucker Carlson doing a best-of-2020 repackaging for Thanksgiving; same with Sean Hannity; and who cares what Laura Ingraham thinks after she welcomed the Biden coup d’etat and signalled to the Trump-voting majority they now have zero friends in the fascist media establishment.

    It’s amazing that the idiot children of Rupert Murdoch have faced no internal opposition to their takeover and destruction of a strong and immensely profitable News Corp media business — with (until three weeks ago) the highest ratings in US cable TV history. All now a smoking ruin.

    Fox News is now pretty much unwatchable. And I repeat what I predicted a week or two ago: Tucker Carlson will abandon the sinking ship in the next few months.

  10. ArthurB

    Over the past few years I have almost given up reading and watching our nation’s newspapers and TV. Most Australian journalists, with the exception of a few such as Henry Ergas, are not worth reading. I now spend a lot of time reading American websites and blogs, you may not always agree with them, but at least you get a diversity of opinion.

    A number of American conservative commentators believe that the USA is heading towards a civil war, perhaps even a breakup of the nation. If there is to be a civil war, or a breakup, the consequences for us will be unpleasant (to say the least).

    Robert Conquest’s Second Law of Politics — “Any organisation not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing” — would explain how institutions here, such as the ABC, academe and the Commonwealth Public Service, have drifted to the Left, but I think the current crisis in the USA has a more sinister aspect. Many Americans, and “Guest Author”, believe that the Left is organising a putsch. Normally I don’t agree with conspiracy theory, but how else can you explain what is going on?

  11. Such people are not going to form militias to overthrow the government.

    True. “Such people” i.e. family folk, business owners et al. may not turn violent overnight, or initially join militias.

    However, conservative militia groups already exist. David Kilcullen gave an excellent analysis of such groups earlier this year. He also reminds us that there are something like 3 million veterans of the Middle Eastern conflict zones in the USA. They own a lot of guns. And they are battle hardened. And a great many (though not all, of course) are Republicans.

  12. H B Bear

    Great post whoever it was. Plenty to mull over. There are many elements that previously worked towards a sense of a unified National polity that no longer seem to have any interest in doing so any longer.

    Hard to see how this resolves itself. Which might be exactly what some people want. Be careful what you wish for.

  13. Vicki

    Sidney Powell has filed for examination of electoral fraud in Georgia. Here are excerpts:

    They are calling for 96,000 votes to be discarded.
    page 10

    Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded. (See Attached hereto, Exh. 9, R. Ramsland Aff.)
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    UPDATE — HERE IS WHAT POWELL IS ASKING FOR Pgs 100-102

    For these reasons, Plaintiff asks this Court to enter a judgment in their favor and provide the following emergency relief:
    1. An order directing Governor Kemp, Secretary Raffensperger and the Georgia State Board of Elections to de-certify the election results;
    2. An order enjoining Governor Kemp from transmitting the currently certified election results to the Electoral College;
    3. An order requiring Governor Kemp to transmit certified election results that state that President Donald Trump is the winner of the election;
    Pg. 101

    4. An immediate order to impound all the voting machines and software in Georgia for expert inspection by the Plaintiffs.
    5. An order that no votes received or tabulated by machines that were not certified as required by federal and state law be counted.
    6. A declaratory judgment declaring that Georgia Secretary of State Rule 183-1-14-0.9-.15 violates the Electors and Elections Clause, U.S. CONST. art. I, § 4;
    7. A declaratory judgment declaring that Georgia’s failed system of signature verification violates the Electors and Elections Clause by working a de facto abolition of the signature verification requirement;
    8. A declaratory judgment declaring that current certified election results violates the Due Process Clause, U.S. CONST. Amend. XIV;
    9. A declaratory judgment declaring that mail-in and absentee ballot fraud must be remedied with a Full Manual Recount or statistically valid sampling that properly verifies the signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and that invalidates the certified results if the recount or sampling analysis shows a sufficient number of ineligible absentee ballots were counted;
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    Pg. 102

    10. An emergency declaratory judgment that voting machines be Seized and Impounded immediately for a forensic audit—by plaintiffs’ expects;
    11. A declaratory judgment declaring absentee ballot fraud occurred in violation of Constitutional rights, Election laws and under state law;
    12. A permanent injunction prohibiting the Governor and Secretary of State from transmitting the currently certified results to the Electoral College based on the overwhelming evidence of election tampering;
    13. Immediate production of 36 hours of security camera recording of all rooms used in the voting process at State Farm Arena in Fulton County, GA from 12:00am to 3:00am until 6:00pm on November 3.
    14. Plaintiffs further request the Court grant such other relief as is just and proper, including but not limited to, the costs of this action and their reasonable attorney fees and expenses pursuant to 42 U.S.C. 1988.

  14. EllenG

    Rhetorical nonsense. For starters if Trump’s vote count us legit then do is Biden’s. You literally can’t have that both ways. On the cleavage in the US, it’s only that simple if you ignore the options presented. A Christian conservative would split the Trump vote sharply. A secular leftie would do the same to the Biden vote. The point is that the numbers fall that way because there are two options. Life isn’t that simple and the variety of sharp divisions is considerable. The number of people even willing to consider extremism is tiny and they will get nowhere trying that stuff.

  15. Cassie of Sydney

    Great post “Guest Author”

    As for ArthurB’s comment…

    “Robert Conquest’s Second Law of Politics — “Any organisation not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing” — would explain how institutions here, such as the ABC, academe and the Commonwealth Public Service, have drifted to the Left, but I think the current crisis in the USA has a more sinister aspect. Many Americans, and “Guest Author”, believe that the Left is organising a putsch. Normally I don’t agree with conspiracy theory, but how else can you explain what is going on?”

    I agree with your sentiment ArthurB and it isn’t a conspiracy theory….it is the reality. The left are active, they have infiltrated every institution and organisation, they are open and brazen about it…..they’ve even infiltrated the British monarchy and the Vatican….the late Cardinal Mindszenty and Pope John Paul II must be rolling in their graves. This infiltration is made worse, far worse, by the fact that the centre, centre-right, libertarians and the right-wing have surrendered, they refuse to fight….particularly the cultural fights. We saw this here in Oz with the SSM debate. Nobody of any consequence stood up and said that SSM is absurd….everyone caved, capitulated or just hid.

    Then along comes a man who is willing to fight and he gave ordinary Americans and even ordinary Australians some hope…and his name is Donald Trump. Trump understood and still understands exactly what is going on, which why the left loathe him and why they have spent nearly five years destroying him.

    I would also add that another contributing factor is the complete collapse of Christianity in the west. This is catastrophic and has enabled and emboldened Marxism.

    Even here on the Cat…some commentators state that we should ignore trolls and not pounce on them… saying that we need to be dignified. Fuck dignity…we need to fight. Wars aren’t won being dignified.

  16. Does Biden know he didn’t really win? Has anyone told him.

  17. calli

    Well, gary, he knew he didn’t need actual voters to win.

    And that’s literally. We have him on tape saying so. 😀

  18. Cassie of Sydney

    And speaking of trolls….Da Ellen G!

  19. Lee

    Rhetorical nonsense.

    Says an expert.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3672896, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    What Cassie said.

  21. cohenite

    For starters if Trump’s vote count us legit then do is Biden’s. You literally can’t have that both ways.

    Stupid fuckenist thing I’ve read from trolls.

    The key are the armed forces.

  22. JC

    I don’t think Hiden even won the popular vote. That’s how big I think the fraud was.

  23. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3672915, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:29 pm
    I don’t think Hiden even won the popular vote. That’s how big I think the fraud was.”

    Agree.

  24. Arky

    The USA or the CCP.
    One must fall before the end of this decade.
    By 2030 one will cease to exist.

  25. calli

    I don’t think Hiden even won the popular vote.

    No. And neither did Hillary.

    They may have cheated themselves into a very dangerous corner.

  26. duncanm

    Well said.

    Meanwhile, the CCP is taking advantage of the situation and screwing Oz well and good.

    Biden will be of zero help to us.

  27. John A

    What happens if Biden is made President? Almost half of the US electorate have believed for the whole of President Trump’s first term that he was a puppet of President Putin. Most still believe it. A substantial percentage of those believe that the KGB hacked the voting machines. For them, a Biden victory is a culmination and a vindication of what they have always believed – that Trump stole the 2016 election. Some are calling for Trump to be prosecuted.

    All of the media which require any kind of state licence will fall in step. The Deep Media, delirious with success, will pontificate that it is dangerous to peace and public order to be sceptical about the election. Trying to focus through all of the champagne, they will insist that the country must now unite. Kumbaya! Let bygones be bygones, and prepare the lists.

    EllenG #3672893, posted on November 27, 2020, at 3:05 pm

    Rhetorical nonsense. For starters if Trump’s vote count us legit then do is Biden’s.

    You totally miss the asymmetry involved. The bias is ALWAYS in one direction – towards a Democrat victory. The hypocrisy of the Democrat supporters including the media is constantly on view but you bypass it.

    And nobody in the Democrat supporters camp can explain how the corruption of the 2016 election and the 2018 mid-term elections (supposedly allowing Russians to make Mr Trump their puppet for four years) was magically cleaned up and removed in the four weeks before the 2020 election. Nor can they explain why the Russians did NOT influence the 2020 election despite their great success previously.

  28. duncanm

    Fuck dignity…we need to fight.

    good point.

    Fuck off Ellen.

  29. EllenG

    Talk about woke! Hairy chests here (is that you Cassie) yabbering about fighting and the military etc.
    if you were paying attention you would have noticed that the actual military is not at all enamoured of all this trumpeting. Trumpets are like any other all hat no horse breed. As for fighting the nitwits appearing on media with caches of weapons and pseudo military kit are mostly fat boozers with criminal records.
    It’s now plain that Trump is out and is simply unprepared for reality. Boo hoo.

  30. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Err, peoples – pbw is a regular commenter here. His gravatar is a psychedelic ostrich.

    Great piece, by the way. That foul syphilitic ol’ geriatric will have zero legitimacy as President.

    The entire concept is beyond absurd.

  31. Cassie of Sydney

    “Talk about woke! Hairy chests here (is that you Cassie) yabbering about fighting and the military etc.
    if you were paying attention you would have noticed that the actual military is not at all enamoured of all this trumpeting.”

    Da Ellen G….sorry to disappoint you but I don’t have a hairy chest.

    And as for your laughable claim “that the actual military is not at all enamoured of all this trumpeting“…that…Da Ellen G….is bullshit.

    As Duncanm said above…just fuck off. Some trolls are mildly amusing. You’re a bore.

  32. max

    The key are the armed forces.

    Yes, as ever. Do any of the generals favour Trump ? With two Cs-in-C in an arm wrestle there will be a lot of weighing up going on. Let’s hope the Dealmaker in Chief can negotiate persuasively. The worry is that the armed forces there have been as hypnotised as our own forces here.

  33. Fat Tony

    This talk of legitimacy and SCOTUS and the Antifa rioting – what about the 70 million Americans who voted for Trump and don’t want to see their country destroyed by the socialist/communists/tyrants?

    If they don’t fight back physically, they and their children will have no future.

  34. Boambee John

    As for fighting the nitwits appearing on media with caches of weapons and pseudo military kit are mostly fat boozers with criminal records.

    Actually, most Antifa wackers are skinny white soi bois. You were referring to them of course? They are the nitwits appearing on media.

    Senkakus? Tibet? Uighers?

  35. Daily llama

    So, just to be clear- you define as a troll anyone who is more moderate and thoughtful than brown-shirted Trump youth singing “tomorrow belongs to me”? That’s not libertarianism, that’s fascism. I like hearing numerous viewpoints, such as Ellen’s. If you only want an echo chamber for your own mutterings, wouldn’t you be more comfortable squawking to The Guardian or Crikey? Better still, why not join GetUp? They’d love you longtime.

  36. Cassie of Sydney

    “So, just to be clear- you define as a troll anyone who is more moderate and thoughtful than brown-shirted Trump youth singing “tomorrow belongs to me”? “

    Wow…comparing Trump supporters to Hitler Youth……says a lot about you. I suppose you think that Donald Trump is an anti-Semite. Only this morning, on another thread, you were complaining about Marxism. So once again, you don’t know whether your Arthur or Martha….which is it today? Arthur the Slut or Martha the Slattern?

  37. duncanm

    Llama.

    Ellen is trolling. Or extremely thick.

  38. EllenG

    Duncan: your attitude and that of Cassie are plain evidence of llamas point. And to go back to the military issue I’d simply point to the number of senior military, many actually appointed to government roles by Trump, who have stated publicly that he’s not the real thing. I also note that the military newspaper was closed after it became clear that soldiers were critical. These are facts you can find really easily with evidence of actual people talking in public.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    Daily Lame and Da Ellen G…..now that’s what I call a shidduch!

  40. Roger

    Most Australian journalists, with the exception of a few such as Henry Ergas, are not worth reading.

    And Henry isn’t even a journalist.

  41. Lee

    And to go back to the military issue I’d simply point to the number of senior military, many actually appointed to government roles by Trump, who have stated publicly that he’s not the real thing

    In a true democracy, it is not the “military’s” place to interfere in politics, or pass judgment on who is or isn’t a fit president.
    In other words, it’s none of their f..cking business.
    Otherwise you may well end up with a banana republic, run by military strongmen.

  42. Daily llama

    Don’t let it get to you Ellen. The world needs people like us to protect it from people like them.

  43. And to go back to the military issue I’d simply point to the number of senior military, many actually appointed to government roles by Trump, who have stated publicly that he’s not the real thing

    Military has it’s uses, but (to grossly generalise) as a grounding for executive office, it’s about as useful as a career as a lawyer.

  44. H B Bear

    It is not being a j’ismist that makes them worth reading in the first place. Can anybody name a single j’ismist in the last 20 years that was worth reading?

  45. Can anybody name a single j’ismist in the last 20 years that was worth reading?

    How soon do you need an answer?

  46. Rex Anger

    Ellen G forgets that humans are partisan.

    And partisans often forget what professionalism looks like. Particularly if, like her, they are leftist.

    A professional does their job and represents the Department and uniform in work time. No matter how offputting it may be to their sensibilities.

    A partisan does not, and rightly suffers the consequences whem caled out. Like Alexander Vinman did.

    More importantly, Ellen, where is this laundry list of serving members you allege have failed to be professional, in calling POTUS out to your satisfaction?

    Or are they in fact all ex- members, who are entitled to their opinions (amd have hem acknowledged or ignored) as private citizens.

    Examples: H.R. McMaster and James Mattis did not say a peep until they finished their service andnwere then let go by the Trump Administration. They were professionals, who only let fly with ther own opinions once they were private citizens.

    Let us put you on the pedestal, Ellen dear- Would you suffer one of your professional appointees to be publicly badmouthing you, or denigrating your institution?

  47. H B Bear

    Nothing wrong with a law degree and legal training. You should be able to come up with something more interesting to do as a day job. It is OK if you push through and make partner or go off and become a barrister. Not my cup of tea though. Bit late anyway.

  48. Bruce of Newcastle

    The world needs people like us to protect it from people like them.

    Most arrogant statement by a blog commentator that I’ve seen, I think.
    Admittedly Llama is pulling everyone’s chain, but strike a light, its greasy entitlement is amazing.

  49. H B Bear

    Bruce – exactly the same sort of thinking that gives you Victoriastan.

  50. Daily llama

    Thanks Bruce, I wondered how long it would take! But seriously, we can belt each other around all we like, but dismissing someone as a troll and wanted them gone is a different matter. If we can’t fight the evil of intolerance here, then where? Not the ABC, that’s for certain. Gillian Triggs? Jane Caro? God forbid!

  51. Roger

    In a true democracy, it is not the “military’s” place to interfere in politics, or pass judgment on who is or isn’t a fit president.In other words, it’s none of their f..cking business. Otherwise you may well end up with a banana republic, run by military strongmen.

    US military take an oath to follow the orders of the president, who is commander in chief. It is a more politically charged arrangement than that which pertains in Australia or the UK, where the oath is to “well and truly” serve HM the Queen and her heirs and successors etc..

  52. calli

    Roger, the Oath is to defend the Constitution of the United States first and foremost, then to obey the President, then the officers above them.

    It’s an interesting distinction.

  53. Roger

    It’s an interesting distinction.

    Especially for those who might be inclined to exploit its ambiguity.

  54. Daily llama

    I admit I made the dreadful Cats sin of going off topic. But I read an interesting item recently- alas, I can’t recall where. It postulated that Saudi Arabia may face uncontrollable social pressure due to the huge Saudi royal family producing so many princelings highly educated in the West with high ambitions and nowhere to unleash those desires.
    The comparison with the West is not that dissimilar. In the inner cities are a high proportion of highly…let’s say literate rather than educated..graduates.
    And the frustration builds- their feeling of entitlements can’t be satisfied when you have hundreds of applicants for a few socially valuable careers. I have predicted a US civil war often post 2020. But it may surprise us. Give it time and the rural poor and ignored may perceive a greater affinity with urban blacks than they do now, and upper class- both GOP. and Democrat nomenklatura, might be in for a shock.
    Beware, Cats. If it happens here we need to be ready to rule. I’ll be minister for golf courses, and oysters.

  55. pbw

    Spurgeon M. III,

    His gravatar is a psychedelic ostrich.

    It’s a cassowary. Which, I suppose, is a psychedelic emu.
    I much appreciate the compliments.

  56. H B Bear

    The USA or the CCP.
    One must fall before the end of this decade.
    By 2030 one will cease to exist.

    Arky – that would be an interesting bet. It would take a lot to bet against the US. But would have people have said the same thing about the Greeks or the Romans in their day?

  57. pbw

    EllenG,

    The point about Trump’s unprecedented vote was not to argue about the legitimacy or otherwise of Biden’s vote, but to underline how deep the spilt is.

    The legitimacy of Biden’s vote is being argued before various courts now.

  58. Rex Anger

    Beware, Cats. If it happens here we need to be ready to rule. I’ll be minister for golf courses, and oysters

    Why oysters?

    Wouldn’t that be shellfish? 😁

    (OK- I probably deserve to be clubbed for that one…)

  59. H B Bear

    The thing about the US is it’s ability to innovate. From Henry Ford to Microsoft or Apple. No-one or no nation on Earth does it better – at present.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3672987, posted on November 27, 2020 at 4:56 pm
    Don’t let it get to you Ellen. The world needs people like us to protect it from people like them.”

    Wow…I recall the Nazis back in the 1930’s making similar remarks about people like me.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s a cassowary.

    Cassowaries are awesome. Avian honeybadgers. It think it’s because they look silly that they have serious chips on both shoulders.

    Why the cassowary is the world’s most dangerous bird (Guinness Book of Records)

  62. Daily llama

    No Rex, that was good. Cassie much older than I thought, must be around the century mark hey old girl?

  63. Albatross

    I once pulled my Djik out and it caused a deadlock at the doors of my local RSL.

  64. Megan

    Ellen is trolling. Or extremely thick.

    One is not exclusive of the other.

  65. Albatross

    EllenG
    #3672949, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:54 pm
    […]
    It’s now plain that Trump is out and is simply unprepared for reality. Boo hoo.

    Is this what they’re saying at your sewing circle? Glad you’re keeping busy in your old age.

  66. Megan

    I make a point of steering clear of cassowaries and grumpy kangaroos. Nasty injuries result when they are irritated. I’ll make an exception for the exceptionally articulate pbw.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3673073, posted on November 27, 2020 at 6:53 pm
    No Rex, that was good. Cassie much older than I thought, must be around the century mark hey old girl?”

    Hey old man? You still haven’t answered my question…are you Arthur the Slut or Martha the Slattern today?

  68. Cassie of Sydney

    “Megan
    #3673078, posted on November 27, 2020 at 6:55 pm
    Ellen is trolling. Or extremely thick.

    One is not exclusive of the other.”

    That’s right…but Ellen now has a noble knight here to protect her now…”Daily Lame”. Birds of a feather flock together.

  69. Megan

    Cassie, noble and Daily Lame in the same sentence?. Does not compute.

  70. calli

    Just saw this:

    All of the media which require any kind of state licence will fall in step. The Deep Media , delirious with success, will pontificate that it is dangerous to peace and public order to be sceptical about the election. Trying to focus through all of the champagne, they will inshist that the country must now unite. Kumbaya! Let bygones be bygones, and prepare the lists.

    Very, very good, pbw. 🙂

    Please do some more guest posts. Insightful and funny.

  71. Daily llama

    Oh no, it’s the obsessed mimicry again! I tell you what, let’s make it your choice so you can indulge with the light out to your heart’s content. And get a few oysters!

  72. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3673124, posted on November 27, 2020 at 7:39 pm
    Oh no, it’s the obsessed mimicry again! I tell you what, let’s make it your choice so you can indulge with the light out to your heart’s content. And get a few oysters!”

    I don’t eat oysters. They aren’t kosher. However what’s nice is you’ve revealed yourself so perfectly today.

    Carry on.

  73. calli

    You know Cassie’s a J-w, Grigs. Cut it out.

    And an excellent derailment of pbw’s thread. Have a smiley stamp. 🙂

  74. EllenG

    pbw: I understand that you believe trump votes all are legit and that Biden’s aren’t. I’m simply saying that’s both unlikely and unsupported by any actual evidence. The cases in courts have gone nowhere. Many were embarrassing. I note that a whitewater lawyer, hardly a democrat, has been scathing of these legal capers.
    A series of republican polling authorities have publicly refuted the wild claims of trump and co.
    I totally fail to understand why people want to support this destructive indulgence of a man who has no dignity or ethics.

  75. Albatross

    Daily llama
    #3673124, posted on November 27, 2020 at 7:39 pm
    Oh no, it’s the obsessed mimicry again!

    People are making fun of you because you’re an imbecile. The defect is yours.

  76. Albatross

    EllenG
    #3673147, posted on November 27, 2020 at 8:00 pm
    […]
    A series of republican polling authorities have publicly refuted

    Well of the swampies say it’s over, then I imagine a sacrifice to Moloch is in order.

  77. Daily llama

    I for one have no idea of the religious persuasion of anybody on Catallaxy. Ones spiritual beliefs are theirs to keep private or make public as they see fit. (It’s yet another thing the ABC etc has sought to undermine.)

  78. Cassie of Sydney

    “I totally fail to understand why people want to support this destructive indulgence of a man who has no dignity or ethics.”

    We know dear…you fail to understand many things.

  79. Albatross

    Daily llama
    #3673154, posted on November 27, 2020 at 8:05 pm
    I for one have no idea of the religious persuasion of anybody on Catallaxy.

    Let me help. Dover Beach is Anglican and Bird is Jewish.

  80. pbw

    EllenG,

    Unlikelyness is Biden’s main, though not sole, problem. The unlikelynesses just pile up.

  81. Cassie of Sydney

    “Very, very good, pbw. 🙂

    Please do some more guest posts. Insightful and funny.”

    I second that.

  82. Daily llama

    Gee Albo, imbecile is a big word for you! Did mummy help? I’ve been a Cat for about 5 months now, when are you going to write something interesting?

  83. H B Bear

    C’mon Daily Lamearse you can do better than that.

  84. Lee

    I totally fail to understand why people want to support this destructive indulgence of a man who has no dignity or ethics.

    Like the corrupt, thoroughly unprincipled piece of filth you support for president?

  85. Daily llama

    Sorry bear, too busy scoffing oysters to concentrate

  86. Edsgar Dijkstra also came up with an algorithm to find the shortest path between any two points in a multi node network, practical application of which is demonstrated in ‘get directions’ function of online maps. It’s currently taught as part of HSC maths. So there’s that. /wrong fred

  87. Ozman

    pbw, great post.

    Given the number of fraudulent votes that occurred, the split between Biden and Trump supporters would probably be closer to 30/70 respectively. What’s more, Antifa thugs are in the main snowflakes feeling tough while hiding behind their hoodies and masks as they attack old people. cripples and other defenseless individuals. Contrasted to this, as has been pointed out, those who are hardened militia are more likely to be loyal to Trump. He has at least 70% of the country, in not 80%, supporting him. In fact, the Trump Party is being touted to be the next major political party in the states. The Republicans without Trump are going the way of FOX. People no longer tuning in.

    A civil war would not last long. Consider where the majority of the Democrats are found. Turn off the electricity in the cities in which they live and they will be crawling on their knees for mercy within a week, with no food, no water, and worse of all for them: no means to charge their phones.

  88. Ozman

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3672896, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:08 pm
    SSM vote was not done at polling booths with paper ballots. Always remember that.

  89. Ozman

    JC
    #3672915, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:29 pm
    Agree!
    Hiden Biden probably got the same number of legitimate votes as the people who attended his car park rallies. The fraud is that bad. Sidney Powell made the claim that every Democrat candidate automatically were accredited with 35,000 votes at the start the count. Biden probably got 35 million. Then they needed more and got caught.

  90. covid ate my homework

    Great read PBW. Probably the most rewarding minutes spent today.

  91. Gilas

    Even here on the Cat…some commentators state that we should ignore trolls and not pounce on them… saying that we need to be dignified. Fuck dignity…we need to fight. Wars aren’t won being dignified.

    I’m one who has repeatedly commented on the trolls’ success in eliciting comments at the Cat.
    Thus wasting most commenters’ valuable time and electrons on dumb-shit-stupid disruptors of an otherwise useful blog.
    Ignoring the dumb [email protected] has nothing to do with us maintaining dignity.
    Their success in eliciting responses is the Cat’s collective failure in maintaining the quality and content of the blog. To no one’s benefit.

    [email protected] dignity!

  92. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    pbw – duly noted.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’m one who has repeatedly commented on the trolls’ success in eliciting comments at the Cat.
    Thus wasting most commenters’ valuable time and electrons on dumb-shit-stupid disruptors of an otherwise useful blog.
    Ignoring the dumb [email protected] has nothing to do with us maintaining dignity.
    Their success in eliciting responses is the Cat’s collective failure in maintaining the quality and content of the blog. To no one’s benefit.

    [email protected] dignity!”

    Yeah Nah. Politics and political debate is brutal. The refusal of those on the centre and the right to get down and get dirty with the left is one of the reasons we’ve lost. You can scroll.

  94. Cassie of Sydney

    “Ozman
    #3673323, posted on November 27, 2020 at 11:40 pm
    Cassie of Sydney
    #3672896, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:08 pm
    SSM vote was not done at polling booths with paper ballots. Always remember that.”

    Indeed Oz.

  95. Kneel

    “I don’t think Hiden even won the popular vote.
    No. And neither did Hillary.”

    The difference this time is they had a backup plan in case their voting machine rigging wasn’t enough – extra ballots! In 2016, they found out even their own internal polling was wrong, so the made sure they had that backup. But they still underestimated what they needed, making their efforts fairly easily detectable.

    In PA at least, this may backfire bigly – under PA mail-in voter law, it specifically says that any breech invalidates the entire law (usually contracts and laws specify the reverse). If DJT can show they broke any part of the mail-in laws in PA, they will have to throw out all mail-in ballots in PA. That’s why the judge caved and said “no standing” – didn’t want to be responsible for invalidating 2.5 million of the 2 million mail-in ballots they sent out.

    In GA, there were voters registered at PO boxes etc – now, you might say that people “made a mistake” and used their postal address instead, except that if that were true, they would have used “Box 123…” not “Appt 123…”, or “Unit 123..” – such wording clearly shows intent to deceive, so it’s fraud.

    Back in PA, chain of custody evidence for ballots and ballot count memory sticks is missing.

    In MI, 71% of the “books” are unbalanced, and not by a small margin either – sometimes as much as 350%.

    In AZ, more postal votes returned than sent out – again, not a small margin and enough to change the outcome.

    So, if PA, MI, GA and AZ refuse to certify and don’t send EC electors, no-one gets 270 EC votes and it goes to a contingency election – Trump has a significant advantage in such a case. It seems much more likely that they don’t sent EC electors than those state houses (R) instruct EC electors to vote for DJT (which they can do, but won’t – better to be “unknown due to irregularities” and sent no-one, than risk being branded as “ignoring the will of the people” and being seen as partisan, see?).

    Don’t forget that these legal cases only need to meet the civil standard of “preponderance of evidence”, not the “beyond reasonable doubt” criminal standard. So a “win” is somewhat easier. But they will be bitterly defended, because a ruling in favour of DJT/SP would give federal and state law enforcement officials “reasonable grounds” to investigate for criminal activity – D’s don’t want that! But it may be too late anyway – Trumps EO re: election results investigation will have already kicked in, and they have to have an answer within 45 days of the election – that’s prior to EC voting and inauguration.

    What do popcorn futures look like?

  96. So, if PA, MI, GA and AZ refuse to certify and don’t send EC electors, no-one gets 270 EC votes and it goes to a contingency election – Trump has a significant advantage in such a case.

    Please, are you able to expand on that point?

  97. Kneel

    “Please, are you able to expand on that point?”

    Certainly – I am no expert, but my understanding is as follows (corrections welcome):

    If no candidate receives 270 EC votes – perhaps there are more than two, for example, or perhaps sufficient EC voters are not able to be instructed by their state on how to vote, or those states simply do not appoint such EC electors for some reason, or even that (fed) congress does not accept sufficient EC votes – then the US constitution stipulates that the house (fed. lower house, if like) has a contingency election for the president and the (fed) senate has a contingency vote on the vice president.

    In these contingency elections, each state gets an equal number of votes – in the house, this is one vote per state, I am unsure if the same is true of the senate, or whether, since all states have an equal number of senators, they all get a vote.

    While it is true that it appears the Dems will retain a house advantage in total numbers, it is also true that in terms of such a contingency election, there are (or will be) 29 states that are majority Republican, and hence likely to support DJT.

    So should legal actions prevent or even delay the process to such an extent that PA, WI, MI, GA and AZ all cannot appoint EC voters (or some combination that results in the same outcome, for example PA, MI and AZ I believe is sufficent), there would insufficient EC votes for either Trump or Biden to get 270 EC votes, and a contingent election would ensue, as set forth in the US constitution and its amendments. As noted above, this would tend to favour DJT, but of course it’s politics, so who knows what might happen.

    SCOTUS has already ruled that EC electors MUST faithfully follow the direction of the state legislature in casting their ballots for president. SCOTUS has already also clarified that it is indeed the state legislators who hold the sole power to so direct the EC voters.

    One interesting aspect of this is that in PA, the legislature has delegated such powers to the Secretary of State (and in PA, the legislature is dominated by Repubs, while Sec State is Democrat). What happens if the legislature directs the EC voters to vote one way and the Sec State tells them to vote another way? I would suggest that SCOTUS precedents would oblige them to vote as the legislature directs, but would expect a court case on this, as they would possibly be violating state law making such a direction – this would depend on things like the wording of such, eg “appoint” vs “direct”. However, such a case, regardless of outcome, would undoubtedly be appealed, and depending on the timing of such a direction, there may be insufficient time for all legal avenues to be fully explored – there are several legislated deadlines in the process, such as election day (“Tuesday after the first Monday in November”), EC voting day (“Wednesday after the second Monday in December” or is it just “Second Wednesday in December”, not sure) , Inauguration day (“20th January”).

    I think it’s also worth pointing out that there is NOT a president-elect until the EC votes are presented to, and accepted by, congress. For instance, in Bush v Gore, the MSM was adamant on this point and also that Gore should indeed challenge the result in the courts – somewhat different from how they are reacting this time, where they seem to think that they themselves can “call” the election and no matter how close it is, the politicians should bow to their judgement. The MSM here appear to simply be parroting the MSM there, with no investigation themselves of what the true situation is.

  98. old bloke

    Arky
    #3672927, posted on November 27, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    The USA or the CCP.
    One must fall before the end of this decade.
    By 2030 one will cease to exist.

    And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

    Revelation 18:2-3

  99. Kneel #3674151, posted on November 28, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    Thank you.
    Most instructive. Clarifies the matter.

  100. Kneel

    “Thank you.
    Most instructive. Clarifies the matter.”

    Oh – one further note on this.

    There is, in fact, a circumstance where a candidate can win the presidency with less than 270 EC votes and without a contingency election – if election fraud is proven (not sure to what degree is required), then the BENEFICIARY of such fraud is disqualified from the election, and the candidate with the next largest number of EC votes is president-elect, even if that candidate has less than 270 EC votes.

    So, should SP be able to prove election fraud to the satisfaction of the courts, and should this meet whatever the required standard may be, Sleepy Joe would be disqualified, and Trump would be the winner of the EC and could become president with less than 270 EC votes and no contingency election. Not sure if this would be “automatic” or whether DJT would need to present a case to SCOTUS, or how this might proceed. But it certainly illuminates the massive importance of SP’s case in terms of outcomes.

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