So where does the buck stop?

UPDATE. IT JUST GETS MORE AND MORE DISGUSTING!

Have a careful look at the contribution from CL a short way down in the comments.

This “Australian of the year” humiliated a good officer in the army, destroyed his career and his reputation. He lapsed into post traumatic stress based on experiences in Afghanistan, became a psychiatric case and was driven to attempt suicide when he was watching TV and saw that Morrison was Australian of the Year.

 

Have I been distracted by wind-watching and missed something? Are these dismissals happening before guilt has been established in something like court proceedings or a court-marshall?

On the topic of the buck stopping, a reasonable suggestion from Jupes Sergeant, maybe Warrant Officer, contrary to a landmark decision after WW2 when a superior Japanese office was held responsible for atrocities committed a very long way off in the actual theatre of war.  There may be an issue regarding the very culture of the Japanese army. More research required.

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50 Responses to So where does the buck stop?

  1. Bruce

    This will NOT end well for a LOT of people.

  2. Vicki

    http://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/sas-soldiers-given-show-cause-notices-over-war-crimes-allegations-20201126-p56ibz.html

    Apparently two sacked immediately, and others given notices to “show cause” why they should not be dismissed. It is said it relates to 10 individuals.

    So, this is judicial process???

  3. rickw

    The old lezzo should never have been Australian of the year in the first place.

  4. Tezza

    This guy poncing around in high heels represents why some SAS guys apparently/allegedly went over the edge. He was turning the Australian army into an equal opportunity community aid bureaucracy while actually fighting bore more and more heavily on a diminishing minority of genuine soldiers.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He was turning the Australian army into an equal opportunity community aid bureaucracy while actually fighting bore more and more heavily on a diminishing minority of genuine soldiers.

    Fair comment.

  6. MaknSiccar

    The whole handling of this matter stinks to high heaven – guilty until proven innocent is the mantra of the politicians and their appointed high command sycophants. These pr1cks have no idea about the reality of the battlefield. A pox on them all.

  7. theleftfootkick

    Was that the lezzo soldier, who walked over to the Taliban hiding behind a rock pointing his gun in its direction, and said ‘how dare you point that thing at me, you’re a misogynist!’ As in Larry Pickering’s classic cartoon.

  8. Faye

    Top brass worried about appearances and watching their own backs rather than watching their soldiers’ backs.

  9. Behind Enemy Lines

    One of the things that worries me most about the senior-most ADF ranks — which have been peopled with cackhanded politicians for quite some time — is that none of them had the nous to realise that all of the present **** they’ve created is going to stick to them. One would expect such a bunch of typically sly underhanded bastards to be able to slither their way past this sort of thing, but no. Which means: they are even dumber, even less capable, than I thought.

    The Chinese must be rubbing their little chopsticks with glee at the thought of rolling over such a gormless collection of panties.

    Meanwhile, diggers will be wearing those awards with honour for generations, regardless of whether some deskwarming mangina decrees otherwise.

    I can hear the lads now: come and take it!

  10. Tom

    Should it (AOTY) be revoked? Hell, yes!

    Why should not such a civilian honor be stripped from an effeminate pansy whose mission as an army general was to make the ADF safe for women — not the brave men who fight and die for us, who have been betrayed by traitors in the ADF leadership.

  11. Behind Enemy Lines

    As a follow-on note, ‘Australian of the Year’ is the least Australian concept imaginable. Anyone who pretends to be in a position to grant such an asinine ‘honour’ needs a good solid kick up the khyber. Anyone who accepted AOTY with a straight face needs to be sent back for remedial study on the national character (eg Australia 101: Introduction To ‘Straya For Foreigners And Those Up Themselves).

    Don’t get me started on all the warm buckets of **** granting each other AOs, PSMs, WTFs, FMDs and ETCs.

  12. Rafe Champion

    Have a look at the politically correct posers who got the gong year after year around that time.

    I think they managed to break the sequence with a more genuine award, but still politically correct, a female scientists of outstanding distinction, well worthy of the honour if you insist on having it, against the advice of Behind Enemy Lines.

  13. C.L.

    Good point.
    David Morrison’s gong should be STRIPPED.

    Mind you, it should have been revoked when he promoted a pack of lies about innocent men.

    I’ll post Miranda Devine’s superb demolition job in full. Miranda kneecapped this turd and he didn’t walk away.

    The visit to Townsville of former army chief David Morrison last week ended in humiliation when a savvy local reporter rocked him with a question about the Jedi Council sex scandal that launched his career as a gender maven at the expense of innocent officers.

    “What a ridiculous assertion,” Morrison thundered at Townsville Bulletin reporter Kieran Rooney.

    “I’m surprised actually and disappointed you would take this opportunity, when I am here in a civilian capacity engaging with the business community in Townsville around diversity, to try and dredge up a matter that is years old.”

    The outburst prompted the Bulletin to slap Morrison on its front page under the mocking headline: “Return of the Jedi”.

    Townsville is a garrison town where Morrison is widely detested because of the egregious injustice done to one of their own, the former commanding officer of the Joint Logistics Unit North Queensland, Lt Col Karel Dubsky, sacked by Morrison for not reading emails containing sexist material cc’d to him.

    That’s right: NOT reading. Not even opening.

    Morrison’s logic was that Dubsky, as commanding officer, should have been across the entire contents of his inbox.

    The reality was that, having made the thundering “standard you walk past” YouTube speech in 2013 which catapulted him onto the global stage as a feminist hero, Morrison had to justify his claim of systemic sexism in the Australian Defence Force.

    The most senior scapegoat was the blameless Dubsky.

    On June 13, 2013, two months after his YouTube speech, Morrison called a press conference to announce that a group of 17 Army officers were allegedly, “in production and distribution of highly inappropriate material demeaning women across both the Defence computer systems and the public internet.”

    The group came to be known as the “Jedi Council”. Dubsky was not one of them.

    Asked the highest rank of the men involved, Morrison replied: “There is one lieutenant-colonel who is part of this group”.

    He didn’t name Dubsky but everyone in the Army knew who he was.

    “There were not many Lieutenant Colonels in Townsville subjected to an Australian Defence Force Investigative Service office raid on June 5, 2013,” Dubsky recalled later.

    “Then my name and image were released in the media. Despite knowing I had done nothing wrong, (Morrison) made no effort to protect my name… He embarrassed (me) on national TV.”

    Army investigators trawled through every email Dubsky had sent or received and all they found were two private emails to two male friends, containing no images but with the words “DD boobs” and “shag”, which Dubsky admits was “inappropriate language” but hardly a hanging offence.

    “Morrison tried hard to pin the Jedi Council on me but when he couldn’t, he sacked me from command because ‘I failed to remain aware of issues that affect me, my unit and Army’.

    “… everyone thought I was part of Jedi Council. I was just dead man walking.”

    Dubsky didn’t just lose his command, and an upcoming prestigious posting to the United States. He lost his reputation and his identity.

    In October, 2013, he was officially cleared, in a letter from then Defence Force Chief David Hurley, saying “I accept… that you were not a part of the activities of a group styled ‘the Jedi Council’’.

    Hurley also made the decision, against Morrison’s recommendation, not to terminate his service.

    But by then Dubsky was a broken man. The father of two succumbed to PTSD, triggered by events in Afghanistan, was discharged from the Army medically unfit and has been in and out of psych wards ever since.

    His pain culminated in a suicide attempt on Australia Day this year, while at home watching his TV in disbelief as the leader he felt had betrayed him was honoured as Australian of the Year.

    So when Army people complain that Morrison has done nothing for veterans, there is a special sting in their accusations.

    Vietnam veteran Tony Dell, founder of Stand Tall 4 PTS, a charity for post-traumatic stress sufferers, says: “It was an absolute travesty he was made AOTY. I travel around the country and talk to a lot of veterans and a lot of people in Defence and no one says a kind word about him.”

    Veterans still fume about Morrison’s comment to the ABC last year that: “I don’t think that there’s a military solution to anything.” And they can’t forgive his attack on the Anzac legend as too male and “Anglo-Saxon”.

    Dell says when he asked Morrison last year to appear at a PTSD forum to be held in Brisbane six months later: “Without a moment’s hesitation he said ‘I’ll be too busy’.”

    Of course, by September Morrison had retired from the army, become chairman of the Diversity Council and embarked on a lucrative career as gender warrior.

    As he nears the end of his AOTY post, in which his much ridiculed attempt to ban the word “guys” was the highlight, there is mounting pressure for an apology to Dubsky.

    All Dubsky wants is official recognition of what the private letter from Hurley states, that he was not part of the Jedi Council.

    “It galls me that Morrison does not understand that if you publicly accuse someone of something and then find out they’re innocent that you should then correct the record publicly.”

    Just a few words would mean so much.

    I will always be grateful o Devine for this. After it was published, Morrison crawled into a hole and hasn’t been seen since.

  14. flyingduk

    LOL, Morrison, Campbell, Payne etc etc

    I believe thats called ‘Blowback’

  15. Eddystone

    Tom
    #3673956, posted on November 28, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    Should it (AOTY) be revoked? Hell, yes!

    Why should not such a civilian honor be stripped from an effeminate pansy whose mission as an army general was to make the ADF safe for women — not the brave men who fight and die for us, who have been betrayed by traitors in the ADF leadership.

    +1

    In fact, I’d strip him of all his medals too.

  16. jupes

    So where does the buck stop?

    In this case: Sergeant, maybe Warrant Officer.

  17. Behind Enemy Lines

    Rafe Champion
    #3673998, posted on November 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm
    . . . I think they managed to break the sequence with a more genuine award, but still politically correct, a female scientists of outstanding distinction, well worthy of the honour if you insist on having it, against the advice of Behind Enemy Lines.

    Rafe, I do admit to having written with a degree of immodest and gleeful license. You do make a fair point. But in principle, I still see the whole AOTY business as embarrassing and crap. Granted, they’re bound to pick a winner from time to time. However, once I ask myself who could never be considered no matter how much they merited it, I don’t get the urge to change my mind about the whole business [a carefully-chosen word, is ‘business’]. On the flip side, this bell-polishing weasel Morrison is exactly the sort of person I think of when I think of Australian Of The Year. Me, I’d cut the buttons off his uniform and ride him out of town lashed to a wagon wheel.

  18. miltonf

    Only Canbra could produce something like Morisson.

  19. Rafe Champion

    Here is another argument against the Aust of the Year – quite simply there are any number of worthy winners in any number of areas of endeavour and it is clearly preposterous to elevate one to a pinnacle.
    What is the point of picking one except to make divisive political points that was clearly the agenda of the committee.

  20. Terry

    How did we manage to establish a Military Command, that if we were attacked, the enemy would do its very best to keep it intact, lest the more competent leadership below rise up and take control.

  21. Lee

    Is there any other country of consequence where they have a “[insert nationality] of the Year”?
    Not one I can think of.
    Personally, particularly the way the Australian of the Year has been well and truly politicised, I find it very cringe-worthy.

  22. Chris M

    Wasn’t there a ‘former general’ that used to write articles here at the Cat? Was it Lucy I think? He / she was quite a lefty, might be in the thick of this crap.

    Are Afghanistan also holding investigations about their citizens (and some rouge soldiers) that randomly attacked and killed Australians that were there to help?

  23. Bronson

    From CL, ‘Morrison’s logic was that Dubsky, as commanding officer, should have been across the entire contents of his inbox.’ Therefore following his own logic Morrison must be stripped of all medals and subsequent awards because as head of the ADF he should have been across the Afghanistan issue. Scotty from Marketing will be insisting that this happen any day now……….

  24. JohnL

    Only Canberra could produce something like Morisson.

    No, Sidney has produced one as well.

  25. vlad

    AOTY was invented to give to Macfarlane Burnet and over the course of several decades turned into something to be given to Rosie Batty.

    Scrap it now – along with EG Whitlam’s bunyip honours system.

  26. Zyconoclast

    David Morrison AO

    Equality advocate

    AUSTRALIAN OF THE YEAR2016

    Few would expect a tough-as-nails Chief of Army to be recognised internationally for his commitment to gender equality, diversity and inclusion. But when former Lieutenant-General David Morrison ordered misbehaving troops to ‘get out’ if they couldn’t accept women as equals, his video went viral and he started a cultural shift that has changed Australia’s armed forces forever. Since then, the number of women joining the army has grown by two per cent and the culture is more accepting of racial, ethnic and sexual diversity. In 2014, David was invited to speak at the Global Summit to End Sexual Violence in Conflict, sharing the stage with US Secretary of State John Kerry and actor and activist Angelina Jolie, and arguing that militaries that exclude women ‘do nothing to distinguish the soldier from the brute’. David retired in 2015 after 36 years in the Australian Army, and four years as its Chief, but he continues his commitment as a champion of human rights in his new role as the Chair of the Diversity Council Australia.

  27. Calculus

    Apparently two sacked immediately, and others given notices to “show cause” why they should not be dismissed. It is said it relates to 10 individuals.

    So, this is judicial process???

    Employers can sack employees without judicial process. Or would you prefer they couldn’t?

  28. Tel

    Secret trials have always been a tool to get rid of key people for political purposes.

  29. Boambee John

    miltonf
    #3674081, posted on November 28, 2020 at 6:14 pm
    Only Canbra could produce something like Morisson.

    Son of a general, ANU graduate, what more need be said?

  30. Fin.

    Anyone could be excused thinking that Campbell is covering Morrison, and then hoping that both of them are stripped of all awards/rank and AOTY crap for the action that occurred while hiding in Canberra etc.

    Give them both what they gave our troops, NO courts martial, NO judicial treatment. Accuse and condemn.

    Public removal of awards and ranks with formal stripping of uniform decorations. In front of assembled troops; the AWM lawns may be a suitable venue.

  31. Fair Shake

    Hang on, if we hold command accountable for activities under their responsibility, this could spill over into other public service realms. What if Andrew’s was held accountable for the quarantine debacle on his watch. This will not do. We must ensure a ring of steel is enforced to protect the top echelon. Else god forbid if we were to have an effective ADF or public service the consequences would be satisfactory.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peta Credlin: We must demand answers on COVID deaths in Victoria

    If we want the truth from our military about how people were killed in Afghanistan, we must also demand it from our political leaders about why people died in Victoria, Peta Credlin writes.
    Peta Credlin
    November 28, 2020 – 7:00PM
    The Sunday Telegraph
    108 comments

    How is it that we can have 19 special forces soldiers accused of unlawful killings in Afghanistan and, before any legal process to determine guilt or innocence has even begun, moves are under way to strip 3000 of their fellow comrades of their meritorious unit citation, including 20 killed in action earning it? Yet in Victoria, a failed government program leads to the death of 800 of our own, and we’re told to look the other way?

    Worse than that, we’re served up a Board of Inquiry chaired by Jennifer Coate that’s a long way from finding the truth; with the lawyer in me questioning whether the government was ever interested in finding it from the outset.

    The blizzard of new recollections and conversations that no one had previously bothered to tell the Coate Inquiry — all disclosed in affidavits released late on Friday afternoon, thus missing media deadlines — shows what a travesty it is not to put people back in the witness box and cross-examine them.

    Yet the inquiry did not recall any witnesses, nor was much in the way of cross-examination allowed even when they were there under oath. Since the last witness gave evidence, there’s been the resignations of the Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos, the Secretary of the Department of Premier and Cabinet Chris Eccles, and the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Kym Peake.

  33. Peter O'Brien

    From my Quadrant article https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/11/military-justice-a-contradiction-in-terms/
    And now we hear that 13 soldiers have been given ‘show cause’ notices as to why they should not be discharged. That is bound to cause considerable disquiet, the impression being that here is natural justice denied. But to put this into perspective, just as any private company or even public service department can terminate employees for a variety of reasons, so can the Army. It’s called an administrative discharge and it is bound by its own rules of procedural fairness. For example, a soldier who is a repeat offender – drunkenness, repeated going AWOL, or even punching officers, can be administratively discharged. I suspect some or all of these 13 are witnesses who gave evidence in return for the promise of immunity and an understanding that they would be discharged. Defence is almost certainly on solid legal ground here. If my surmise is correct, then the soldiers concerned, on their own admission, have been involved in illegal activity. If so, they cannot escape scot-free, but the timing is absolutely terrible. For one thing, it could be seen to prejudice the fair trials of those accused. General Campbell has flatly rejected any suggestion of reversing his decision on the unit citation. The timing of this latest announcement strikes me as an ‘up yours’.

  34. miltonf

    Son of a general, ANU graduate, what more need be said?

    exactly

  35. BrettW

    Great article by Miranda.

  36. Noddy

    As a victim of Morrison and Hurley I would like to add Bernard Gaynor – he has been shabbily treated by these ‘smart-arsed’ ‘generals’ and the political class. AotY should be abandoned because it has turned into a political stunt to serve Australia’s enemies who don’t appear to love Australia, the Laws, or the People.
    You can have the best Defense Force in the world but if the politicians are ‘rat-shit’ then the country is stuffed! It shows where we are going and there is no difference between any of the major Party’s. The ABC does no credit to itself when it gives succor to the Nation’s enemies as defined by the elected government.
    What else can you expect from over-paid lefties!

  37. David Brewer

    Why does Morrison always look as if he is just about to take it up the arse?

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Why does Morrison always look as if he is just about to take it up the arse?

    Eager anticipation?

  39. maree

    Morrison is one of several senior defence chiefs who are not entitled to wear the infantry combat badge because they never served in a field of active combat.Shiny boots under the desk each morning standing in judgement of boots on the ground who they commanded.

    All due care, no responsibility, as dry cleaners say on their signs.

  40. win

    Shiny boots under the desk. Australian of the year dressed in army uniform and red high heel shoes teetering down a city street is engraved in my memory forever. I am not even sure that they were red but they match the man.

  41. Boambee John

    Noddy
    #3674343, posted on November 28, 2020 at 11:05 pm
    As a victim of Morrison and Hurley I would like to add Bernard Gaynor

    Dot

    Was Gaynor the subject of an unconstitutional religious test for office?

  42. Scernus

    Look deeper.
    Morrison was despised long before he became the gender warrior converting the ADF to a PC farse.

  43. Roger

    Rafe, it’s court-martial.

    I note the other Morrison is reported as saying senior officers should be held accountable.

    Where will the buck stop?

  44. Up The Workers!

    1). Grab two house-bricks and give him a hysterectomy (being mindful about the placement of your thumbs).

    2). Cancel his Loyalty Card at “Bra’s and Things”.

    3). Find him a spot amongst the sopranos in the Labor Party Choir.

  45. Gyro Cadiz

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3674401, posted on November 29, 2020 at 12:28 am
    Why does Morrison always look as if he is just about to take it up the arse?

    Eager anticipation?

    Oh, that’s bloody funny.

    Well done sir! Well done indeed!

    Morrison according to a WO I know: ” He always was a stink looking for a turd to live in.”

  46. LBLoveday

    win
    #3674471, posted on November 29, 2020 at 8:03 am
    .
    “… I am not even sure that they were red but they match the man”.
    .
    So would yellow.

  47. alans

    I note with interest the high values espoused by Morrison, Campbell, Burr et al, but all have failed in pressing forward with the handing back of their medals, citations and very generous pensions for all their years of paper shuffling & bench warming. All talk but little or no care, responsibility or ethics in this whole sordid take down of the ADF.

  48. Louis Litt

    Every night, police brutality, racism etc, military murder etc, biggest businesses, t,he banks, miners, retails attacked for some cooked up reason, who is going to stand up for common sense.

  49. rickw

    Every time I scroll past this thread I get irritated seeing that grinning old lezzo in green.

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