Lambie to Campbell “pull your head out”

It looks like Angus Campbell’s collective punishment of Afghanistan veterans has been rolled by the political class.

Scott Morrison has publicly rolled Defence chief Angus Campbell over his decision to revoke meritorious service awards for Afghanistan veterans, declaring the actions of a small number of alleged war criminals “do not reflect on the many thousands of others” who served.

When he released the Brereton war crimes report, General Campbell said he would write to the GG asking him to strip the citations from 3000 special forces veterans to reflect their “collective responsibility” for 39 alleged murders by up to 25 soldiers.

But, amid a public backlash over the edict, the Prime Minister declared on Monday that “no decisions have been made on that”.

Good.

In any event, the very first person who should have any medals revoked is the good general himself.* Followed by David Morrison, who was so busy promoting affirmative action he didn’t seem to notice alleged war crimes occurring on his watch. He has an Order of Australia that should be relinquished. Over and above his Australian of the Year Award.

I couldn’t resist quoting Jacqui Lambie on the topic:

Tasmanian Senator Jacqui Lambie has also issued a blunt warning to the Defence Force Chief Angus Campbell to get his “head out of his arse” over his call to strip 3,000 soldiers who served in Afghanistan

“If General Campbell has not felt the bitch-slap from all those millions of Australians out there, he needs to pull his head out of his arse,’’ she said.

Senator Lambie was one of the first MPs to question the decision to strip the meritorious citation from all soldiers when the Brereton report was released on November 19.

That is so funny – “he needs to pull his head out of his arse”. So many more politicians and public servants need to be told that.

*To my mind the biggest problem is that we are invited to believe that very junior people in the military, non-commissioned officers, were organising and committing war crimes, and their officers simply did not know. Maybe they did commit those crimes – I have no doubt any prosecution will fail – maybe they didn’t. The military, an organisation that prides itself on hierarchy and following the chain of command, have already admitted that they did not know what was happening.

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85 Responses to Lambie to Campbell “pull your head out”

  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I never thought I would see Jacquie Lambie make a stand..

  2. Entropy

    Not that I would normally have much time for the Lambie, but at least you can say she is not one of the swamp creatures. That’ll do, Jacqui, that’ll do.

  3. Tel

    Jacqui Lambie should publish her own political thesaurus. She could get Paul Keating to write the forward. Maybe the title could be, “Away With Words.”

  4. Roger

    The military, an organisation that prides itself on hierarchy and following the chain of command, have already admitted that they did not know what was happening.

    And they imagine that excuses them.

    Or – more seriously – they didn’t want to know.

    And neither did their political masters.

  5. H B Bear

    Noted warrior (ret’d) Jackie-Jacquie steps up.

  6. stackja

    The lower ranks telling the higher ups to go jump.

  7. Nighthawk the Elder

    Maybe she should have a word with that other parliamentary seat warmer from the apple isle, Andrew Wilkie. Flicked the channel past SBS news tonight and there is the vile grub happily smearing the entire ADF over that ridiculously childish Chinese doctored photo that came out today, claiming that the ADF probably deserved the treatment.

    Bloody oxygen thief.

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Maybe she should have a word with that other parliamentary seat warmer from the apple isle, Andrew Wilkie.

    Is that WOFTAM still in Parliament?

  9. Squirrel

    Sgt. Schultz knew how to keep his medals –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs

    Lambie was glorious today, and the fixed expressions on the faces of the suits, pant suits and frocks standing behind her as she unloaded, were priceless.

  10. Snotball

    Good on you Jacqui. My sentiments exactly. I hope you are correct in assuming that prosecutions will fail!

  11. Exit Stage Right

    What other country in the world would be stupid enough to ping their elite soldiers with war crimes,pro- actively solicit testimony from our enemies, announce to the world that Australian SAS are civilian killers, phone the Afghani Prime Minister and intimate that monetary compensation is on its way, sack a chunk of soldiers who may or may not be guilty (show cause), which means your guilty until proven innocent, and then wonder why the sly Chinee are using this to further their vendetta against us? 4 1/2 years of investigation by one desk bound military person does not make any individual guilty. Where are the court cases, military tribunals, official findings of guilt?
    A stitch-up from the start like with Cardinal Pell, found guilty, then work your way backwards to fill in the blanks.Smells like another ABC witch hunt, and the rest of the media dutifully fall into line. When have the ABC ever been right about any of this sought of allegation?. They hate Australia and will jump on any reason to tear us down.
    Scott Morrison stands condemned in my eyes for the premature release of the Brereton report and the Angus Campbell findings of blanket responsibility for all the lesser ranks, but not the hierarchy.
    Where are the court findings? Court martial?
    Unfortunately, Morrison in his eagerness to appease the left, has used our elite fighting troops as a Political weapon to be thrown under the bus. I am disgusted that thousands of Australian fighting men and women have been tainted by military top brass and Politicians without any proof whatsoever of wrong doing. At this stage it appears that the word of rag tag Afghanis with dollar signs in their eyes has already been accepted as Gospel by the investigators.
    Stick a fork in it Australia, you’re done. Good luck with future recruitment drives for the ADF.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Stick a fork in it Australia, you’re done. Good luck with future recruitment drives for the ADF.

    Recruitment dives for gay, lesbian, transgender and minorities will be met – “My Army Gives Me All the Time I want With My Children” – it’s recruiting for Infantry, Special Air Service and Commando’s that will shrivel up and die.

  13. Nighthawk the Elder

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3676051, posted on November 30, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Is that WOFTAM still in Parliament?

    Apparently so, but I did have to check with that googly thing, such is his otherwise lack of notability.

  14. rickw

    This douche is Defence Chief.

    He’s supposed to be a strategic genius.

    He just got fucked by Jackie Lambie.

  15. a reader

    ZK2A…current military advertising is more like a tampon ad. The only thing missing is the woman in white shorts roller skating

  16. C.L.

    I take back every critical thing I ever said about the Lambster.

    Brilliant stuff.

    Scotty from Marketing beclowned again.

  17. duncanm

    “If General Campbell has not felt the bitch-slap from all those millions of Australians out there, he needs to pull his head out of his arse,’’

    It may not be a liberty quote, but its definitely a quote!

    Good on you Jacqui. That’s why you get the vote. No bullshit.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A…current military advertising is more like a tampon ad. The only thing missing is the woman in white shorts roller skating

    The “My Army Gives Me All the Time I want With My Children” is the one that sticks in my mind – the first time I saw it played, was the day my D.V.A. card was delivered in the mail.

  19. Bronson

    Scotty from marketing stuffs up again. His bestes buddy Wilkie that combat veteran from Iraq is there to help him out. What a pair of losers.

  20. candy

    General Campbell was the Commander for Operation Sovereign Borders, ie, stopping the boats, a very difficult position and you would have to say he did that very well, and very low key. Scott Morrison takes the praise for that and has a model boat in his office saying “I stopped these”.

    Then promoted to Chief of Defence which seems very fair for a job well done. Why would he go down this path of speaking to the media about dark days and calls for stripping of medals of 3000 soldiers and no trials done or guilt proved. It’s all a bit strange. Why did he go down this path?

  21. win

    Thank You Jaquie Lambie . Is it in utube yet? I would get enormous satisfaction seeing Jaquie telling Campbell to get his head out of his rear end. It joins the Jorden Petersen Cathy what you re saying Newman interview for viewer avenge.

  22. Clam Chowdah

    What other country in the world would be stupid enough to ping their elite soldiers with war crimes

    A country that has standards? A country where footage of a cold blooded murder was broadcast? That sort of country. I’m just guessing.

  23. Rex Anger

    The “My Army Gives Me All the Time I want With My Children” is the one that sticks in my mind – the first time I saw it played, was the day my D.V.A. card was delivered in the mail.

    Still in play.

    And the rest are equally rather dark and uninspiringly ‘modern.’

    The best still seem to be those ones from the late 80s/early 90s, with the 1812 overture, Jungle Greens and M113s.

    The ‘Rise‘ Ads from the early 2000s and the ‘superhero suit‘ ARES ads from the 2010s were pretty good too.

  24. nb

    ‘they did not know what was happening’
    It’d be fun to equate this with Dad’s Army, but I fear this does Captain Mainwaring no justice.
    Rather, if they did not know what was happening why keep them on the payroll?

  25. Bronson

    Lam Choda nothing like having a dam good lunching before the trial eh?

  26. Clam Chowdah

    Campbell should have resigned and handed in his medals. Trying to take the citation away from all because of 25 shitbags was retarded. But clearly the SASR has an issue with some of their own tarnishing the regiment, the army and the nation. If charges can be proved then they should throw the book at them. The video of the summary execution is pretty clear. Who knows what else they have?

    And fuck China.

  27. Bronson

    Context around the video? We don’t need no stinking context just hang them?

  28. duncanm

    The video of the summary execution is pretty clear.

    hardly.

    You saw what the ABC wanted you to see. Nothing more.

  29. duncanm

    I *hate* to entice the numerical idiot in here, but how would you judge one of the most famous images of Vietnam, Clam?

    This is the only image you have. Go at it.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Execution_of_Nguy%E1%BB%85n_V%C4%83n_L%C3%A9m.jpg

  30. Behind Enemy Lines

    Two worthy LOL quotes here from Cats – thanks for the little beam of sunshine, lads:

    rickw
    #3676076, posted on November 30, 2020 at 9:20 pm
    This douche is Defence Chief.

    He’s supposed to be a strategic genius.

    He just got fucked by Jackie Lambie.

    a reader
    #3676081, posted on November 30, 2020 at 9:27 pm
    ZK2A…current military advertising is more like a tampon ad. The only thing missing is the woman in white shorts roller skating.

    About this ridiculous claim “the officers didn’t know” . . . that’s the kind of excuse a fellow might make, once, right before he became a civilian again.

  31. 132andBush

    tackja
    #3676042, posted on November 30, 2020 at 8:40 pm
    The lower ranks telling the higher ups to go jump

    It seems there’s been a fair bit of that going on for a while now.

  32. Clam Chowdah

    I’m familiar with that image and the context. And I understand the point you’re attempting to make. Good luck with it.

  33. WX

    Professor Sinc.
    Would you kindly check your spam folder for an email I sent yesterday please?

    My apologies for straying off-topic.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m familiar with that image and the context. And I understand the point you’re attempting to make. Good luck with it.

    The circumstances of his capture?

  35. C.L.

    Campbell should have resigned and handed in his medals. Trying to take the citation away from all because of 25 shitbags was retarded.

    What 25 shitbags?

    As much of a craven idiot as Campbell is, there is no established proof that he is responsible for any “war crimes” either.

  36. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Clam Chowdah at 10:19 pm:

    “… The video of the summary execution is pretty clear.”

    Haw, haw, haw, haw – gees you are stupid. Have another bundy ya drongo.

  37. jupes

    Trying to take the citation away from all because of 25 shitbags was retarded.

    “Alleged” shitbags to you.

    But clearly the SASR has an issue with some of their own tarnishing the regiment, the army and the nation.

    No. It has an issue with gullible twits at all levels believing what they are told to believe.

    If charges can be proved then they should throw the book at them.

    If …

    The video of the summary execution is pretty clear.

    To gullible dickheads like your good self. Now fuck off.

  38. jupes

    Concur with many above that Jackie Jacqui was magnificent here.

    The highlight of her career.

  39. Arky

    “If General Campbell has not felt the bitch-slap from all those millions of Australians out there, he needs to pull his head out of his arse,’’ she said.

    ..
    She’s all class, eh?
    Strange to see all the people on here who used to mock her suddenly discover what a good bird she is.
    Tribal idiots.

  40. Arky

    So.
    Compare your reaction to this report to the report about the Vicpol fiasco lawyer X scandal.
    Did you likewise make the same arguments there that you do now?
    Try for some consistency.
    If there are no convictions over the election fraud in the US, or the lawyer X scandal, should there likewise be no action taken? No convictions means no problems?
    Shrug the shoulders, nothing to see here?
    For sure this fucking mess is going to be leap on by those who want to feminise Army.
    Whose FUCKING fault is that?

  41. Arky

    The exact same people drooling over every detail of that moron Simon Overland’s grilling and prepared to speculate in minute detail, are suddenly holding everything to a higher standard because it involves their mob.
    Nice standards you’ve got there.

  42. Rex Mango

    Jacqui Lambie’s usefulness to the ADF is almost inversely proportional, but the same as these blokes in the SAS. Lambie was a loud mouthed malingerer who milked the system to get amongst other things boobs & avoid Timor, while also getting compo payout etc. Shonk straight out of central casting. Since then she has been in the Senate supporting the army & taking on Yasmin on Q&A (worth a mention in dispatches that effort). These SAS guys worked really hard behind the scenes doing serious stuff & now find themselves in the spotlight, having rucked the army’s d-ck big time. Who would you recruit, Jacqui, or these nameless folk?

  43. Pedro the Loafer

    The sun occasionally shines on a dog’s arse.

    Today was Jacky Jacky’s day in the sun.

  44. jupes

    She’s all class, eh?
    Strange to see all the people on here who used to mock her suddenly discover what a good bird she is.
    Tribal idiots.

    Ease up Arky.

    She has been rightly mocked, however when she does something good she deserves praise. Nothing wrong or inconsistent with that.

  45. duncanm

    I think I’ve been pretty consistent with Jackie.

    Always thought she was a relatively intelligent bogan who didn’t mind saying exactly what she felt.

    As the mayor of the Triabunna area once said. The bogan of the bogans.

  46. Clam Chowdah

    I doubt any of the posters here even know anyone in the regiment. Or if they did it was 30 years ago while droning in the catering corp. War woodies as far as the eye can see. I’m used to the fantasists here but I’m surprised at CL’s flexible ethics, as I always thought he was a devout Catholic. Still love your writing, though, CL.

    My position is any charges need to be proven. But that [Afghan – edited Sinc] in the field was certainly executed and the sociopath who did it is going to jail.

  47. Perfidious Albino

    My favourite was when the Leopard picks up a yabby as it splashed through a watercourse and then the cook brings out a special plate to the driver/commander in the mess with the cooked yabby, they all have a chortle “look what Davoes done!” Prolly couldn’t even make that today…

    I noticed in the media yesterday they had imagery of one of the new Boxer IFV’s being landed on a beach from an LCM8 – apparently had to roll out a great big long white ‘ground sheet’ of some description between the bow ramp and the foreshore for it to drive over – WTF!?

  48. Candy

    Her point is right and she has some courage but is there need for the verbal abusive style? It seems to reduce things to the level of a “reality” TV show that no-one takes seriously.

  49. jupes

    Her point is right and she has some courage but is there need for the verbal abusive style?

    I think it was pitch perfect. Exactly what Campbell needed to hear and funny as fuck.

  50. duncanm

    Candy
    #3676305, posted on December 1, 2020 at 7:15 am
    Her point is right and she has some courage but is there need for the verbal abusive style?

    It is no more abusive than something Keating would say; she is what she is.

  51. Sinclair Davidson

    What other country in the world would be stupid enough to ping their elite soldiers with war crimes

    I think the UK attempted to prosecute some of its soldiers for similar crimes but failed to return a guilty verdict.

  52. Sinclair Davidson

    As much of a craven idiot as Campbell is, there is no established proof that he is responsible for any “war crimes” either.

    Indeed – that isn’t my criticism of Campbell. His men may or may not have committed war crimes, but he has already been exonerated if they did.

  53. Sinclair Davidson

    I think the UK attempted to prosecute some of its soldiers for similar crimes but failed to return a guilty verdict.

    I was trying to find the story that I read – but turns out the authorities declined to prosecute.

  54. Perfidious Albino

    Correct Sinc – the UK went through quite a similar process of ‘advertising’ for witnesses to alleged crimes, albeit I recall there was also a particular legal ‘advocate’ drumming up witnesses as well. All since found to fraudulent and cases turfed out.

  55. Perfidious Albino

    Of course the usual suspects in the UK have now started demanding a new inquiry into the conduct of UK special forces in Afghan, because if the colonials were up to no good, then they must have been as well, or something… traitorous swine that they are.

  56. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    there was also a particular legal ‘advocate’ drumming up witnesses as well

    All on the UK taxpayers’ coin, similar to the disgusting farce playing out here.

    Morristeen’s staggering hypocrisy over the withdrawal of the unit citations is absolutely pathetic and expediency personified. What a grasping unprincipled weather vane.

    As far as I’m concerned, Morristeen, Crazy Eyes Campbell and “no difficult questions, please” Burr are now all in an untenable position and should be turfed.

    This entire witch hunt has been an absolutely excruciating clusterfuck and should have never been allowed to drag on for as long as it has – in fact it should never have even occurred in the first f*cking place.

    Treasonous z-grade stupidity. The three f*ckwits identified above are as thick as pigsh*t.

  57. Up The Workers!

    Lambie’s suggestion presents a logistical anatomical conundrum.

    How does one administer the required volume of Laxettes that General Campbell desperately needs in order to expel his own head from the orifice it currently occupies, if Lambie’s diagnosis of his problem is indeed correct?

    Would a well-aimed Blundstone Boot in the “Jatz Crackers” be efficacious?

  58. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Would a well-aimed Blundstone Boot in the “Jatz Crackers” be efficacious?

    Crazy eyes has had his removed, courtesy of Ozzie taxpayers. So, no.

  59. Sinclair Davidson

    Would you kindly check your spam folder for an email I sent yesterday please?

    Found it – thanks.

  60. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Perfidious Albino at 6:24 am:

    ” …

    I noticed in the media yesterday they had imagery of one of the new Boxer IFV’s being landed on a beach from an LCM8″

    The old new Boxer IVF eh? Yeah! “landed … from an LCM8”? You wouldn’t read about it – heh, heh, heh.

  61. Makka

    Not to forget that Scummo would say nothing to sanction Campbell if the wind hadn’t shifted. He’s still a spineless leach .

  62. Andre Lewis

    In her usual crude way Lambie makes a good point about the General. Hopefully she will follow this up with some similar advice to the CCP cretins in Beijing but tell them to stick their heads up their own asses. That’s obviously where they get their ideas from about fake photos of Australian soldiers.

  63. jupes

    Not to forget that Scummo would say nothing to sanction Campbell if the wind hadn’t shifted. He’s still a spineless leach .

    Bloody oath. SloMo get the Chicoms going when he claimed the allegations were true and apologised to the Afghans. He even offered them compo, with the result being there is now a queue. FMD.

    The Chicoms are just agreeing with him.

  64. Mater

    Trying to take the citation away from all because of 25 shitbags was retarded.

    Not really. Taking away the citation is not the issue. The problem is, it should not have been even raised until the process had fully established he facts.

    If even some of the allegations are substantiated, yes, it should be removed. I can already hear the cries, “But that’s collective punishment!”. Why yes, it is. An MUC is also a collective award. It’s all, or nothing.

    The problem here is that if the allegations prove true (even some of them), and the MUC is not removed, said perpetrators will be entitled to wear an award demonstrating their ‘Meritorious Service’.

    If they wish to excluded individuals from the MUC, I suggest it will take some serious restructuring of the fundamentals of this award.

    It’s a conundrum, to be sure. However, think of it this way. If this situation had arisen before the awarding of the MUC, it would probably never have existed in the first place.

  65. Habib

    “My position is any charges need to be proven. But that [Afghan – edited Sinc] in the field was certainly executed and the sociopath who did it is going to jail.”

    So you know for a fact that said hadji wasn’t lying on a weapon, grenade, IED initiator or signalling equipment then? You’re so perceptive you must be a military sociologist.

    There will not be a single conviction from this disgraceful and supine assumption of the position to the ABC and fellow Lord Haw Haws, academic marxists and Afghan compo-seekers. Less evidence than there is of planetary parboil,

  66. Amortiser


    Clam Chowdah
    #3676270, posted on December 1, 2020 at 5:58 am
    I doubt any of the posters here even know anyone in the regiment. Or if they did it was 30 years ago while droning in the catering corp. War woodies as far as the eye can see. I’m used to the fantasists here but I’m surprised at CL’s flexible ethics, as I always thought he was a devout Catholic. Still love your writing, though, CL.

    My position is any charges need to be proven. But that [Afghan – edited Sinc] in the field was certainly executed and the sociopath who did it is going to jail.

    If the SAS has captured an un-uniformed combatant in the field, that captive has no protection. His fate is at the behest of his captors. He may be taken for interrogation at the end of which he still has no protection afforded to prisoners of war.

    David Hicks whinged for years about his treatment after being captured in the early days of the Afghan War. He should be forever gtateful the he wasn’t shot on the spot.

    He was just an innocent farmer, some say. Well, so we’re the Viet Cong. They actively participated or aided and abetted military action against the ARVN and its allies. Unlike NVA regulars they had no protection if captured.

    Put this incident in that context and the whole case against the SAS soldier evaporates. A clear case of murder, hardly.

  67. Pedro the Loafer

    Welcome back, Habib (PBUH)!

  68. Up The Workers!

    Amazing that the intrepid Sco-Mo the Happy-Clapper will tackle Anus Campbell head-on over this issue, but still lacks the testicular fortitude to tackle the 78-year-old Aunty Ita Buttrose (who, according to legend, often used to vigorously wrestle a priapic Goanna in her bedroom way back in her younger days) and herhate-preaching “House of Ill-Repute, Presstitution and Bullshittery” over its annual $1.3 Billion embezzlement of taxpayers’ hard-earned cash.

    The man has strange priorities. Maybe he should ask his policy-wonks, Adam Bandt and Sarah Halfwit-Bung to write him some new ones?

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    David Hicks whinged for years about his treatment after being captured in the early days of the Afghan War. He should be forever gtateful the he wasn’t shot on the spot.

    David Hicks was captured with no entitlement whatsoever to any of the protection of the Geneva convention. He could have quite lawfully been shot out of hand. It’s why you wear uniform, or even a “fixed distinctive sign, visible at a distance.” It’s why you carry arms openly, and conduct operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war, and are commanded by someone who is held accountable for your actions – to claim the protection of the relevant conventions.

  70. Dot

    Clam Chowdah
    #3676270, posted on December 1, 2020 at 5:58 am
    I doubt any of the posters here even know anyone in the regiment. Or if they did it was 30 years ago while droning in the catering corp. War woodies as far as the eye can see. I’m used to the fantasists here but I’m surprised at CL’s flexible ethics, as I always thought he was a devout Catholic. Still love your writing, though, CL.

    My position is any charges need to be proven. But that [Afghan – edited Sinc] in the field was certainly executed and the sociopath who did it is going to jail.

    What a pretentious cu*t, know nothing, know it all arsewipe.

    Better to have war woodies than shout at the foreign domestics over your departmental silk jammies.

    Listen up, you inbred idiot: there are no charges laid yet, know tell us all how that points to a crime being committed with five years of investigation already and apparent eyewitnesses.

    We’re all ears, Mr Brian Stelter.

  71. RJH

    Our Government should first point out to the CCP’s its own inconsistencies on the murder of civilians when they have been the Worlds biggest & well-documented offender in the murder/torture/jailing of tens of millions of their own citizens going back to the 1940s. You never give in to a bully, it only encourages them to up the ante?

  72. Makka

    How typical of Scummo to fk up the issue by leaping in with both feet before it is absolutely clear and proven that crimes were committed . The idiot was led into it by Campbell who quickly wanted to establish the innocence of his officer ranks mates while throwing the SASR troopers under the bus. Same hasty thoughtlessness establishing the national cabinet where the prems ate him for breakfast . This guy is a complete ninny and it’s not a secret.

  73. Scott Osmond

    You know someone has really stepped on their dick when even Lambie makes sense.

  74. duncanm

    Lambie’s been banging her head against a wall about the Chicom’s for years.

  75. duncanm

    “It’s about time the people in this place woke up to China’s attempts to infiltrate our economy and our democracy,”

    Lambie, 2019

  76. Jonesy

    Loving this…a disgruntled ex-MP Senator just handed CDF his genitals in a bag of beans and ordered him to eat them.

  77. Clam Chowdah

    What a pretentious cu*t, know nothing, know it all arsewipe.

    Better to have war woodies than shout at the foreign domestics over your departmental silk jammies.

    Listen up, you inbred idiot: there are no charges laid yet, know tell us all how that points to a crime being committed with five years of investigation already and apparent eyewitnesses.

    We’re all ears, Mr Brian Stelter.

    That’s the spirit!

  78. Clam Chowdah

    Not really. Taking away the citation is not the issue. The problem is, it should not have been even raised until the process had fully established he facts.

    If even some of the allegations are substantiated, yes, it should be removed. I can already hear the cries, “But that’s collective punishment!”. Why yes, it is. An MUC is also a collective award. It’s all, or nothing.

    The problem here is that if the allegations prove true (even some of them), and the MUC is not removed, said perpetrators will be entitled to wear an award demonstrating their ‘Meritorious Service’.

    If they wish to excluded individuals from the MUC, I suggest it will take some serious restructuring of the fundamentals of this award.

    It’s a conundrum, to be sure. However, think of it this way. If this situation had arisen before the awarding of the MUC, it would probably never have existed in the first place.

    Good points. Well said.

  79. Cyclist of doom

    Generals Campbell does indeed suffer from being in a rectal defilade position; Jacqui has hit the target in centre mass. Almost as good as watching General Burr get caught in a fixed lines ambush the other day.

  80. Dot

    Clam Chowdah
    #3676803, posted on December 1, 2020 at 4:52 pm
    What a pretentious cu*t, know nothing, know it all arsewipe.

    Better to have war woodies than shout at the foreign domestics over your departmental silk jammies.

    Listen up, you inbred idiot: there are no charges laid yet, know tell us all how that points to a crime being committed with five years of investigation already and apparent eyewitnesses.

    We’re all ears, Mr Brian Stelter.

    That’s the spirit!

    That’s right you silly c*nt you don’t have an argument at all.

    But do go on, keep on slandering innocent people from your tropical rat hole.

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