Retired disk jockey takes on commando

 
Hastie is 100 percent correct. Unless and until police charge named individuals with offences, no good – and certainly no natural justice – has come from hyperventilating about alleged ‘war crimes.’ If a couple of dozen murderers who also happen to be trained killers (and a definite flight risk) are abroad in society, why haven’t they been arrested – even remanded? Former SASR captain Hastie, now Chairman of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security, is also to be thanked and commended for rubbishing the throat-slitting porno stories recklessly retailed by Samantha Crompvoets. About those:

The [Brereton] report added, however, that Crompvoets did not detail any specific incident and did not identify any perpetrator or unit involved.

“Rather, she described the information she received as ‘a whole lot of vague, nameless scenarios’, in conversations which she characterised as ‘off the record’,” the report said.

 
Otherwise known as lies. And sometimes as Chinese whispers. The good news is that whenever Carlton has one of his emotional meltdowns, you always know you’re over the target. Even old DFAT desk jockeys have crawled out of their wine cellars this morning to attack Hastie. Here’s one who skips gingerly between hackneyed left-wing bitchiness and a law suit:


 
There are no unanswered or troubling questions surrounding Andrew Hastie’s war service. That’s just a has-been lashing out. What his speech “served to highlight” was the extremist contempt Australia’s commentary-class elites have for the sacred doctrine that innocence perdures until displaced by guilt (established in court before a disinterested jury). Haigh’s sliming of Hastie proves the point. What a lightweight.

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106 Responses to Retired disk jockey takes on commando

  1. Cassie of Sydney

    Firstly, surely Haigh’s tweet is “defamatory”? Hastie should demand an apology or call a lawyer.

    Secondly, Mike Carlton is an utterly despicable anti-Semitic grub…so grubby that he left Fairfax back in 2014 because of his anti-Semitic tweets and refused to apologise. Only last year he threatened, in a tweet, violence in a tweet a female Liberal MP. What were his words again…

    ““How does he not leap from his seat and strangle the Liberal shill on his right ? #QandA”.

    One rule for those on the right and another for those on the progressive left.

  2. Michael

    Well said, CL. Agree 100%

  3. jupes

    From the article:

    Hastie argued Morrison had stood up for the ADF by demanding an apology from the PRC and by calling on Twitter to delete the post.

    Yes but too late. He lit the flame when he apologised to the Afghans and offered compensation.

  4. jupes

    This is worth another look just to see the look on the ABC bint’s face. Jackie Jacqui on fire:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/jacqui-lambie-calls-for-chief-of-defence-to-resign/12940018?nw=0

  5. Cassie of Sydney

    “Yes but too late. He lit the flame when he apologised to the Afghans and offered compensation.”

    Yep.

  6. Cassie of Sydney

    “There are no unanswered or troubling questions surrounding Andrew Hastie’s war service. That’s just a has-been lashing out. What his speech “served to highlight” was the extremist contempt Australia’s commentary-class elites have for the sacred doctrine that innocence perdures until displaced by guilt (established in court before a disinterested jury). Haigh’s sliming of Hastie proves the point. What a lightweight.”

    I call it the “Pell Process”. It’s a disgrace…an utter disgrace.

  7. Roger

    Yes but too late. [Morrison] lit the flame when he apologised to the Afghans and offered compensation.

    And he hasn’t withdrawn his ill-advised remark about “brutal truths” being exposed in the report.

    He has no idea whether the allegations listed are true or not.

  8. jupes

    Hastie said he disagreed with the decision to release details of the findings of military sociologist Dr Samantha Crompvoets, whose 2016 report triggered the four-year inspector general’s investigation by Maj Gen Paul Brereton.

    Military sociologist? The question has to be asked: Why did the Special Operation Commander hire a feminist academic to write a report on Special Forces units? What did he expect her to say?

    There has to be some evil intent there.

  9. Lee

    Firstly, surely Haigh’s tweet is “defamatory”? Hastie should demand an apology or call a lawyer.

    Couldn’t agree more, Cassie.
    What a slime-ball Haigh is. He doesn’t even have the moral courage to say what he really means, instead: “nudge, nudge, wink, wink.”
    I hope Hastie sues the pants off him.

    Secondly, Mike Carlton is an utterly despicable anti-Semitic grub …

    And a POS for other reasons as well.
    Unfortunately he is all too typical of the Twitter crowd, and a great many on the left generally.
    I wouldn’t get any of his books even if they were given away.

  10. Cassie of Sydney

    “There has to be some evil intent there.”

    There was evil intent all along. And then Scummo fell for it hook, line and sinker.

  11. Bruce in WA

    Andrew Hastie Mike Carlton should just shut-the-fuck-up for a bit good.

    FIFY

  12. Cassie of Sydney

    “What a slime-ball Haigh is. He doesn’t even have the moral courage to say what he really means, instead: “nudge, nudge, wink, wink.”
    I hope Hastie sues the pants off him.”

    Absolutely…I am sick and tired of conservative and right-of-centre politicians and commentators just “turning the other cheek” to this crap…this has contributed to the mess we’re in. Hastie should demand an apology and state quite clearly that if there isn’t a apology forthcoming from Haigh then Haigh can expect a letter from a lawyer.

  13. candy

    I seem to remember Hastie’s first comment was to say he felt personal shame when the Brereton report was released, which is attributing guilt to the SAS before trials, and was praised in the media for it, and
    Morrison as well.

    Public backlash because innocent until proven guilty has made them do a quick re-think.
    A politician’s lot is not easy when they try to guess public opinion rather than use common sense.

  14. Dot

    No one has stated the obvious?

    Mike Carlton should shut the fuck up permanently.

  15. C.L.

    This is worth another look just to see the look on the ABC bint’s face. Jackie Jacqui on fire:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/jacqui-lambie-calls-for-chief-of-defence-to-resign/12940018?nw=0

    Have to disagree, Jupes, sorry.
    Lambie isn’t very bright – however passionate she is in full bogan flight.

    Note well that she ends up raving on about how Campbell and the ADF top brass “knew” what was going on in that unit.

    There is no court-established proof-positive that anything was going on.

    This enemy of my enemy is not my friend – nor that of the accused men.

  16. Dot

    Not to say white anting the SASR isn’t a huge deal, but, I feel this is a distraction squirrel to a small extent.

    You should see the new electronic surveillance powers Dutton wants.

    They are absurd, immoral and illogical.

  17. Makka

    Yes, reports, assertions, accusations, recollections etc etc. All great to sell media clicks but not evidence to ascribe convictions or convey guilt on any of the accused. Throwing prudence to the wind, Scummo has done a belly flop into a can of worms and China has what amounted to an uncontestable dig at the clown.

    Carlton is a grub. Only a lunatic would take anything he says seriously .

  18. tgs

    Haigh seems like the kind of pretentious fuckwit that wrote his own Wikipedia entry.

  19. thefrollickingmole

    Turds make shithouse comments.

  20. C.L.

    I’ve got little time for the man I like to call the Dapto Doge but Ray Hadley’s mockery of Carlton for bunging on a royal accent while trying to break into British radio was hilarious. The Brits booted the idiot because he never rated.

  21. tgs

    C.L.
    #3679415, posted on December 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    His faux upper class English accent is so cringe.

  22. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Air hellair! Almost G&T time, eh what, Carruthers?

  23. candy

    A senator has no business saying the Chief of Defence should resign.
    It’s very childish.

  24. Roger

    The Brits booted the idiot because he never rated.

    Clive James he isn’t.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    tgs
    #3679418, posted on December 4, 2020 at 1:53 pm
    C.L.
    #3679415, posted on December 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    His faux upper class English accent is so cringe.”

    Agree however it isn’t quite as bad as Lord Geoffrey Robertson of Epping.

  26. The Manager

    Another bout of ginfuckwittery from Carlton.
    And Haigh can’t spell

  27. Makka

    Someone has n Parliament had to candy.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    The Manager

    #3679444, posted on December 4, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    Another bout of ginfuckwittery from Carlton.
    And Haigh can’t spell

    Yes.
    Making a “speach”.

  29. Miltonf

    Haigh is another foreign affairies tax leach.

  30. Dot

    candy
    #3679429, posted on December 4, 2020 at 2:02 pm
    A senator has no business saying the Chief of Defence should resign.
    It’s very childish.

    Fuck off, that is her job.

  31. Miltonf

    Carlton is a dirty stink

  32. Tom

    Haigh’s sliming of Hastie proves the point. What a lightweight.

    Attempting to use your past as a member of the Canberra swamp proves only that you’re fond of treachery. Real soldiers know who the enemies are on our side. Apart from former diplomats like Haigh, most of them are in ADF command.

  33. Pedro the Loafer

    Jacky Jacky was a Corporal in the Army, and apparently it is verboten for a Corporal to kick a General up the date, but now she is a Senator, Senator outranks General, and she is relishing sticking the boot in.

    Angus must be spitting chips.

  34. jupes

    Lambie isn’t very bright – however passionate she is in full bogan flight.

    Dumb as a stump. Plenty of mistakes in her rant. Reynolds was never in the IGADF for example.

    The point is, the ABC bint tried to get back control of the interview but failed miserably. It must be galling for that pair of pretentious twats – General Campbell and Minister Reynolds – to be chided by Lance Corporal Lambie. Comedy gold!

  35. Perfidious Albino

    Jacquie means well and is piss funny when she get’s up a head of steam.

    Don’t mind her ruffling a few pretentious feathers at the ABC either.

  36. H B Bear

    Usual members of the peanut gallery in full voice.

    Butch’s struggles for relevance must be on their last legs.

  37. cuckoo

    Agree however it isn’t quite as bad as Lord Geoffrey Robertson of Epping.

    Didn’t know that. I also didn’t know that for a while he supposedly “dated” Nigella Lawson. Why does God torment me so?

  38. John A

    C.L. #3679408, posted on December 4, 2020, at 1:48 pm

    This is worth another look just to see the look on the ABC bint’s face. Jackie Jacqui on fire:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/jacqui-lambie-calls-for-chief-of-defence-to-resign/12940018?nw=0

    Have to disagree, Jupes, sorry.
    Lambie isn’t very bright – however passionate she is in full bogan flight.

    Note well that she ends up raving on about how Campbell and the ADF top brass “knew” what was going on in that unit.

    There is no court-established proof-positive that anything was going on.

    This enemy of my enemy is not my friend – nor that of the accused men.

    I think her point is that for the top brass to refuse to accept responsibility for field actions (whatever actually happened) because “they didn’t know” is contrary to all accepted logic of the chain of command, even prior to the facts being established.

    If ministers are supposed to be accountable to the Parliament for the actions of the bureaucracies (big “IF”, yes, I know it hardly ever happens because “plausible deniability” and all that rot), then the same principle applies in the military: commanders are accountable for the actions of units under their command, and they are NOT to throw their soldiers to the wolves to protect their own positions.

    Again in the business world, corporate directors are held personally liable for workplace accidents (and much else) based on the same principle. In fact, “plausible deniability” is specifically excluded as a defence.

    If the brass are not ready to accept the blame, they should definitely NOT be tossing unproven allegations into the media scrum. Their job is supposed to be to defend their troops first, then investigate and, if necessary, prosecute breaches. Applying penalties such as revoking unit citations should not even be on the radar yet.

  39. pbw

    Andrew Hastie must have copped some well-deserved heat for his appalling, self-serving article and ABC interview. The ABC! Now Andrew has discovered that “the rule of law” includes “innocent until proven guilty.” He certainly gave no hint that he was aware of that in the interview or article. He made sure he let everyone know that he was not under investigation. He needn’t have worried. I think I read in a footnote that “No officers have been harmed in the production of this report.”

  40. jupes

    Their job is supposed to be to defend their troops first,

    That’s not quite how they see it, John. Over the last 15 years they have commissioned the ADF Investigative Service, the Director of Military Prosecutions, the Brereton Inquiry and the Office of the Special Investigator, all with the sole purpose of investigating and prosecuting diggers.

  41. pbw

    C.L.,

    There is no court-established proof-positive that anything was going on.

    True. Tell Andrew Hastie. From the Probyn interview:

    When I went over there, I made it very clear what my expectations were, my junior leaders knew that. And despite that, we had some incidents that were made public in the Australian media. They have been investigated and dealt with. But certainly, it was a tough time for all…but I’m confident I am not under investigation myself.
    There had been rumours for some time, and I wanted to make clear what my expectations were, and I was ably supported by my NCOs, particularly by my right-hand man.

    Andrew Probyn: What about this cult of personality? How much of an influence did big characters like V.C. winner Ben Roberts-Smith have on patrols.

    I’m not going to discuss individual cases, Andrew, but I can say there were two warrior cultures. There was a bad one, which was built on self-adulation, ego, and the worship of war itself, and there was a better warrior culture which was about quiet professionalism, service before self, and protecting our country.

    Probyn: If you were picking up this dynamic, how can we believe that those higher up the ranks weren’t also picking up this sense of entitlement, of superiority that was coming thorough this toxic version of the warrior culture?

    I can’t speak for others. I saw it, I experienced it, as a junior leader at SASR, along with others. I sought to act as best I could. As for higher command, that’s for them, and people will make their own judgements. Certainly I’m not going to reflect on others because I haven’t walked in their shoes, and I don’t understand their position, but…in this everyone is accountable…either morally, legally or by virtue of the fact that they were a member of the unit or…were up the chain who sent soldiers there for multiple deployments.

    There had been rumours for some time. Hastie passed his selection in August 2010. He was deployed to Afghanistan in 2013. When he got these, he “made it very clear what my expectations were“. So between selection and deployment, back in Oz, he became aware of the rumours. He didn’t witness anything, but he heard rumours. Those rumours didn’t circulate through the regiment?

  42. DAVID JACKSON

    For the record, Mr Hastings was SASR and not Commando. Not a small amount issue to those who served in either unit.

  43. pbw

    Always read the source documents. Hastie is not attacking Defence over the release of the Brereton report, but over the Crompvoets report.

    The Brereton report neither rules these rumours in or out. So why are they in the open? It has undermined public confidence in the process and allowed the People’s Republic of China to malign our troops.

    (Quoted in the Oz.)

    Mr Hastie, the Breton report handed China all the propaganda it needed. The Brereton findings have no more been tested than the McLellan, AM, findings on Cardinal Pell were tested. Why was the Brereton report released? Has it not severly compromised the chance of a fair trial for any who might be accused?

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    One rule for those on the right and another for those on the progressive left.

    And the left just do not care, to them hypocrisy is their banner. The Left has no standards at al. Given that the Left sees no double standards therefore no standards at all . The Left wants to tear it all down and they own the keep at the moment.

  45. Tintarella di Luna

    I hold Scott Morrison totally responsible for this debacle and for the fracturing of the Federation. He is a wrecker.

  46. pbw

    And just by the way, Brereton is chock-a-block with this stuff:

    The information obtained that gives substance to what began as rumour was sourced in and derived from X’s disclosures to the Inquiry. Those disclosures were made in circumstances which attract use and derivative use immunity. The evidence which potentially incriminates X other than his own, was obtained as a result of his protected disclosure. In those circumstances, there would be insufficient evidence to charge with the war crime of murder. X’s evidence is important to not only this but other potential prosecutions. The Inquiry recommends that X be granted immunity from prosecution should he agree to give evidence for the Crown in any relevant prosecution.

  47. Pyrmonter

    ‘Until the police obtain a convicting for the corrupt conspiracy against Cardinal Pell, there was no conspiracy, tacit or otherwise’

    ‘Until police charge the German perpetrators of the Gleiwitz Incident, there is no proof of the Gleiwitz Incident, and Germany is merely upholding international law’

    ‘Until the police obtain convictions for the Katyn Massacre, there is no evidence that the NKVD was other than a benevolent police force, which had suppressed the chaos that followed the collapse of the bourgeios Polish ‘government”.

  48. Des Deskperson

    ‘Haigh’s sliming of Hastie proves the point. What a lightweight.’

    Haigh’s Wikipedia entry is full of examples of diplomatic derring-do, but there is no evidence that he ever rose beyond middle management in DFAT. I like this entry in his Wikipedia resume:

    ‘From 1984 to 1986 he was Director of the Indonesia Section. During that time he travelled within the Indonesian archipelago.’

    Wow!!

  49. miltonf

    I’m sure he’s enjoying his ComSuper.

  50. C.L.

    Haigh’s Wikipedia entry is full of examples of diplomatic derring-do, but there is no evidence that he ever rose beyond middle management in DFAT. I like this entry in his Wikipedia resume:

    ‘From 1984 to 1986 he was Director of the Indonesia Section. During that time he travelled within the Indonesian archipelago.’

    Wow!!

    Ahahahahahahaha.
    Good get, Des.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    ‘From 1984 to 1986 he was Director of the Indonesia Section. During that time he travelled within the Indonesian archipelago.’

    Hmmm.
    Quite vague.
    Where exactly did he go?
    Were there children in the villages he visited?
    Were they supervised at all times?
    After all, some DFAT officers had a reputation for disreputable behaviour throughout Asia.
    Are there “unanswered and troubling questions about his time in Indonesia”?
    Could he be covering for somebody?

  52. H B Bear

    Had carriage of Australian foreign aid until Suharto and his Generals took over.

  53. H B Bear

    ie. back their utes up and start shoveling.

  54. Bronson

    Wonder how big Haighs bank account is? Dumb statement defaming a parliamentary. For a supposed diplomat he’s not too bright. As for Carlton well tweeting and gin don’t mix!

  55. Lee

    Again in the business world, corporate directors are held personally liable for workplace accidents (and much else) based on the same principle.

    Unlike Dictator Dan, who should be charged under his own government’s manslaughter laws, but isn’t and won’t be.
    Instead he is praised and canonised by leftists, some of whom even suggest he make a run for Canberra!
    Needless to say, any blame (of course) is apportioned to Scott Morrison, who has no say in choice of Victorian hotel security guards, nor the running of their nursing homes.

  56. Des Deskperson

    ‘Hmmm.
    Quite vague.’

    Leigh, I suspect it’s vague because he probably didn’t do much of anything, or achieve anything, as Director of the Indonesian section. Compare this to his time – according to Wikipedia – in South Africa, which appears to be the highlight of his diplomatic career:

    “Haigh initiated Australian Embassy contact with members of the black South African resistance,[4] including the Black Consciousness Movement in 1976. Included amongst the friends he made at this time were Steve Biko (murdered by police whilst being held in detention in 1977) and Dr. Mamphela Ramphele (Vice Chancellor of the University of Cape Town and a Director of the World Bank). Haigh helped banned newspaper editor, Donald Woods, escape from South Africa.”

    He would have been 31 in 1976, and no more that a Second Secretary i the Embassy. it’s a bit odd that a junior diplomat would have been given so much responsibility and allowed so much initiative, but he seems to have dined out on this for the last four decades.

  57. miltonf

    Speaking foreign affairies has beens, haven’t heard from Tony Kevin lately.

  58. Boambee John

    Des D

    I have a vague recollection that Haigh wrote a book praising Whitlam in the late 1970s. I think he might have been in, or recently returned from, New Dehli at the time.

  59. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From pbw at 4:15 pm:

    And just by the way, Brereton is chock-a-block with this stuff:

    The information obtained … [is pretty much, like – you know – made up stuff] … In those circumstances, there would be insufficient evidence to charge with the war crime of murder. X’s evidence is important to …”

    our primary objective of mass publication, breaching the walls and watching them start to crumble, which we have largely achieved in just two weeks. Aren’t we clever?

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking foreign affairies has beens, haven’t heard from Tony Kevin lately.

    And those condescending lefties who ran interference for Indon mueslis … Bronowskis?

  61. Clam Chowdah

    I agree with Hastie. Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven. I disagree with the mythologising (war woodies as far as the eye can see) and the idea that anything goes in war and shut up if you aren’t in the SASR.

  62. Leigh Lowe

    Des Deskperson

    #3679628, posted on December 4, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    ‘Hmmm.
    Quite vague.’

    Leigh, I suspect it’s vague because he probably didn’t do much of anything, or achieve anything,

    Yes, I suspect so too, Des.
    I was just doing a bit of mischievous dot-joining and vacuum filling.

  63. BrettW

    Just for the record it was Hasties unit that had the incident involving the “hand severing”. It is well covered in an article on ABC web page from 2017. Whilst Hastie was not present he seems to have reacted with disgust and can’t see any blame regarding his action. The incident was mentioned in the report in that the SF commander of that deployment did not get a medal for command and it speculated that the reason was the hand cutting. The ABC / in country investigation article seemed to pin the blame on the hand cutting on an MP SGT who indicated, in a briefing 2 weeks earlier, that might be a way to identify killed Taliban.

    I think it is fair to say case been investigated but can’t see that Hastie personally did anything wrong. Those slurring Hastie over his service should as they say STFU.

  64. miltonf

    An odious department- Rudd, Downer, the Maleys. Guess who pays for all this.

  65. miltonf

    The maleys seem to be Canbra royalty. They make chilla look good.

  66. Rex Anger

    Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven.

    Nice to see you finally clarified your position, Chowderhead. Up to this point, I think everyone had you written off as a shit-flinging troll engaging in a leftwit pile-on…

    I disagree with the mythologising (war woodies as far as the eye can see) and the idea that anything goes in war and shut up if you aren’t in the SASR.

    …Aaaand I’ve typed too soon. Normal shit-flinging has resumed.

    Spack off and diddle yourself to the latest atrocity porn spewing from the keyboard of Samantha Crompvoets.

    Not a single Cat has said anything about ‘anything goes in war and shut up if you aren’t in the SASR.’ Put some pants on your Strawman if you intend to wave it around in public, you sick little man.

    If you weren’t so eager to fail to pick a fight, you’d have noticed that the vast majority of responses (particularly from Service and ex-Service Cats with experience from the last 20-25 years), were disbelief at the sheer unlikelihood of what has been claimed and officially propagated as alleged fact, given the heavily micromanaged and politically scrutinised nature of warfighting in Afghanistan.

    If you believe that boilerplate and motherhood statements (and furious mutual agreement with same) are essential elements of public discourse on anything, then the Cat clearly is not for you…

  67. miltonf

    Foreign affairies is another odious taxpayer funded play group like the ABC.

  68. C.L.

    I agree with Hastie. Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven.

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody on this forum has ever said those guilty of “crimes” should not be pursued. So that’s a straw man. Having written thousands of words on the ABC’s Pell set-up, forgive me if I don’t give a single shit what the national broadcaster and various other worthies, politicos and media blabberers now say about “war crimes.”

    I disagree with the mythologising (war woodies as far as the eye can see) and the idea that anything goes in war and shut up if you aren’t in the SASR.

    It isn’t a myth that the SAS has been fighting wars for the past 20 years while the regular army has been turned into a sheltered workshop for sheilas. They’ve earned a lot of respect and gratitude.

    That’s a socially normal attitude. Nothing to do with erections.
    I’m not saying you are but you sound like one of these jealous regular army johnnies who resent the fact that 33 year-old commandos are now – experience-wise – the senior warfare figures in the entire Australian Defence Force.

  69. Win

    Samantha Crompovertes was commissioned by Angus Campbell. She is called an expert but no qualifications available as proof.
    It does say that there are no courses for military sociologists. So where did she get her training and do they use the same techniques as social workers.

  70. Squirrel

    Carlton should consider transitioning – cranky old women (of the Left) get to be called feisty.

    Cranky old men are just cranky, and sad.

  71. Tel

    Ahhh … I get how it works now … that’s why they needed to collectively punish the entire unit … because they have nothing specific to hold against any individuals.

    Interesting situation. Mike Carlton’s detailed explanation may be insufficient under the circumstances.

  72. Tel

    Lambie isn’t very bright – however passionate she is in full bogan flight.

    At some times that’s an advantage. Ordinary people are very good at seeing ordinary things in the normal way … smart people are prone to the danger of drinking their own bathwater.

    Simple cover stories typically suffice to fool simple people while elaborate cover stories are intended to fool sophisticated people … it’s very tricky to come up with such a good story that you can fool both.

  73. Boambee John

    miltonf
    #3679683, posted on December 4, 2020 at 6:26 pm
    Foreign affairies is another odious taxpayer funded play group like the ABC

    Speaking of which, if Cdl Pell was, as the senior Catholic cleric in Australia, responsible for the actions of every Australian priest, nun, or brother, then who was the senior DFAT person responsible when there was a scandal, in the early 1990s IIRC, concerning DAFT personnel in a south-east Asian nation? The departmental secretary at the time, or the minister, who possibly was our old maaate Gareth Gareth?

  74. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Rex Anger at 6:18 pm:

    “Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven.

    Nice to see you finally clarified your position, Chowderhead. Up to this point, I think everyone had you written off as a shit-flinging troll engaging in a leftwit pile-on…

    I disagree with the mythologising (war woodies as far as the eye can see) and the idea that anything goes in war and shut up if you aren’t in the SASR.

    …Aaaand I’ve typed too soon. Normal shit-flinging has resumed.

    Spack off and diddle yourself to the latest atrocity porn spewing from the keyboard of Samantha Crompvoets. …

    Oh nicely done Rex Anger.

    And from C.L. at 6:46 pm:

    ” …

    It isn’t a myth that the SAS has been fighting wars for the past 20 years while the regular army has been turned into a sheltered workshop for sheilas. They’ve earned a lot of respect and gratitude.

    That’s a socially normal attitude. Nothing to do with erections.
    I’m not saying you are but you sound like one of these jealous regular army johnnies who resent the fact that 33 year-old commandos are now – experience-wise – the senior warfare figures in the entire Australian Defence Force.”

    A pithy demolition job, well deserved but way too polite.

  75. Old Lefty

    To be fair to DFAT, some decent people I know whom have worked for it regard Haigh, and the Broinowskis and Tony Kevin, as an embarrassment and most certainly do not subscribe to their views. The only reason this gaggle are posing as third-rate pundits is that they never amounted to much inside the system.

  76. Snoopy

    Spack off and diddle yourself to the latest atrocity porn spewing from the keyboard of Samantha Crompvoets. …“

    Samantha Crompvoets could be the name of Zulu’s favourite porn star.

  77. Dot

    Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven.

    You smug prick. You are insinuating people are defending war crimes here. Fuck off you prat. Luckily for us, there is no credible evidence, as a five year investigation with eyewitnesses would normally lead to at least an arrest.

    At least you’re not drunk again and bragging how you know a certain soldier and will definitely get nailed for murder, you complete moonbeam.

  78. jupes

    Where I disagree with some of the Cats is that I think SASR troopers should be pursued if crimes can be proven.

    However what they’ll get is the pursuit without the proof.

  79. Crossie

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3679386, posted on December 4, 2020 at 1:35 pm
    “There has to be some evil intent there.”

    There was evil intent all along. And then Scummo fell for it hook, line and sinker.

    I’m in two minds about that. He seems very naive about a lot of political realities yet he was devious enough to have outplayed Turnbull.

  80. Crossie

    Mr Hastie, the Breton report handed China all the propaganda it needed. The Brereton findings have no more been tested than the McLellan, AM, findings on Cardinal Pell were tested. Why was the Brereton report released? Has it not severly compromised the chance of a fair trial for any who might be accused?

    No, the report did not, the Prime Minister’s endorsement of it by apologising to Afghanis and promising reparation did it. The Chinese simply took the top dog’s word for it.

  81. Crossie

    Tel
    #3679711, posted on December 4, 2020 at 6:54 pm
    Ahhh … I get how it works now … that’s why they needed to collectively punish the entire unit … because they have nothing specific to hold against any individuals.

    Yes, it’s a very neat trick to show how they are so righteous.

  82. Rockdoctor

    Never heard of Bruce Haigh till today and his CV outs him as another termite. Tick every trendy left cause. Notice the tosser is big on refugees but lives nowhere near them. I’ll treat his opinion with the contempt it deserves…

    As for Carlton, he jumped the shark years ago and is still trying to remain relevant by getting more outrageous.

    What pathetic pack of sad old men.

  83. Tony Taylor

    I’m sure I’m not the only person to say this, but I’d love to see Carlton say that to Hastie’s face.

  84. Clam Chowdah

    What’s the matter Dot? You sound angry and impotent.

  85. Clam Chowdah

    I’m not saying you are but you sound like one of these jealous regular army johnnies who resent the fact that 33 year-old commandos are now – experience-wise – the senior warfare figures in the entire Australian Defence Force.

    Well I’m not and I’m certainly aware of the latter fact.

    And my comments aren’t directed at you CL but there have certainly been a few people here who take umbrage at people daring to ask questions and who have an embarrassing penchant for mythologising. I have nothing but respect for my good mates from that world but that doesn’t stop me or others (or my mates) thinking it’s perfectly valid for standards to be applied.

  86. Clam Chowdah

    Never heard of Bruce Haigh till today and his CV outs him as another termite.

    Bruce Haigh is a formerDFAT wonk who showed up about 15 years ago writing green-left shit on the ABC and the Conversation. Hastie should have his lawyers write to Haigh regarding that defamatory tweet.

  87. Entropy

    Old Lefty
    #3679788, posted on December 4, 2020 at 8:48 pm
    To be fair to DFAT, some decent people I know whom have worked for it regard Haigh, and the Broinowskis and Tony Kevin, as an embarrassment and most certainly do not subscribe to their views. The only reason this gaggle are posing as third-rate pundits is that they never amounted to much inside the system.

    Connections to the ALP left is why they get treated so well.

  88. Des Deskperson

    ‘Bruce Haigh is a formerDFAT wonk who showed up about 15 years ago writing green-left shit on the ABC and the Conversation.’

    I saw him once, c. 2013, at the opening of an exhibition in Canberra of South African Aparteid era protest art, seemingly excited to the verge of sexual ecstasy by the opening speech given by former privileged inbred squattercrat but by then compassionate elder statesmen Malcolm Fraser. Haigh was making something of a spectacle of himself in his enthusiasm for the great man’s – self-serving – words, loudly cheering, clapping and hear-hearing .

    Interestingly, he was togged up in tweeds and cords like someone going to a fancy dress party as a gentleman farmer, I guess it was his idea of the appropriate formal dress for a gentleman olive grower

  89. Lee

    Bruce Haigh has form from many years past, none of it good.
    Andrew Hastie is worth a hundred of the likes of him.

  90. Clam Chowdah

    If you believe that boilerplate and motherhood statements (and furious mutual agreement with same) are essential elements of public discourse on anything, then the Cat clearly is not for you…

    Thanks sonny. After 15 odd years of posting here I think I know the zeitgeist. But, you know: thanks.

  91. Clam Chowdah

    Interestingly, he was togged up in tweeds and cords like someone going to a fancy dress party as a gentleman farmer, I guess it was his idea of the appropriate formal dress for a gentleman olive grower

    Quite a scone on him, too. Is he related to Turnbull?

  92. Dot

    Clam is drunk again.

    Go on, slander the that redacted trooper again, chief.

  93. Clam Chowdah

    Do you mean the guy who shot the prisoner in the field? On video. Is that who you’re white knighting? Pathetic.

  94. Rex Anger

    Thanks sonny. After 15 odd years of posting here I think I know the zeitgeist. But, you know: thanks.

    And?

    Troll is as troll does, Chowderhead.

    And getting all righteously indignant over what is extremely likely to have been an out-of-context and maliciously-edited video as proof positive of wrongdoing (in absence of actual investigation and prima facie examination of the facts and witness statements in a Court of Law), suggests you are either far too trusting of their ABC (who originally published this video as part of a series of written and visual allegations of anti-SAS madness, badness and dodginess, 18-24 months before the Brereton Inquiry was trumpeted), or are as malign as the bugmen whose examples you cite.

    One would have thought 15-odd years at the Cat would have cured you of the former. As to the latter? Welp, Troll is as troll does…

  95. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I’m enjoying this, coming back to watch Dot then Rex Anger hunt Chunder back under the pub verandah with his tail between his legs … “Garn, get back under there ya mongrel!”

    He’s not real bright, eh?

  96. Clam Chowdah

    Dream on you Jack fantasist.

  97. Rex Anger

    Dream on you Jack fantasist.

    Lolwut, Chowderhead?

  98. 132andBush

    Clam Chowdah,

    Right over the target.

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