Who you gonna believe? The Democrats or your lying eyes?

The existence of fraud, highlighted by the nongs at Twitter, is, of course, only disputed by those who engaged in this massive electoral fraud. The question remains whether they will get away with it.

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This is the note from Tip of the Spear from whence this has all come from:

ALL ON VIDEO: After sending scrutineers and media home on election night in Fulton County, GA, Democrat poll workers pulled out hidden suitcases and secretly kept counting votes. They didn’t realize that State Farm Arena, the Atlanta Hawks’ NBA home, was equipped with CC-TV – and the cameras are always rolling. So explosive was this video evidence in yesterday’s Georgia voter fraud hearing that Governor Brian Kemp almost immediately reversed course and urged a signature audit of votes.

And from Zero Hedge here.

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81 Responses to Who you gonna believe? The Democrats or your lying eyes?

  1. jupes

    Calling Bill Barr … Billy … you there Billy?

  2. Dot

    “This claim about electoral fraud is disputed”

    That is a pisstake, surely?!

  3. chrism

    So the absence of video evidence in PA, MI, AZ, WI is not evidence of absence
    It puts the onus on the other states to go to extreme lengths to confirm the validity or otherwise of
    votes that are claimed to be legitimate : in fact can we rely on the partisan electoral officials anywhere?
    It suggests, given the replicated behaviour – with after scrutineers absent in the other states, of co-ordinated election fraud
    Legislators should now ask the FBI what evidence they have gathered previously, who is directing their investigations, and to state whether they are in fact part of this steal
    The GOP should draw a line in the sand
    Biden should respond to this and concede that his tally is fraudulent

  4. Fat Tony

    Yeah – nah. I don’t think the politicians, courts, FBI etc are going to do anything about this.
    They claim to be worried about the reaction of a few thousand noodle-armed soy-boy Antifa idiots paid by Soros or whomever.

    What the Swamp should be worried about is the great majority of Trump supporters – including probably a few million returned servicemen from active duty as well as the armed patriots who do not want their country destroyed by Biden’s puppeteers (a small minority).

    The USA was born from revolution, had a full-on civil war and they have Patriots.
    Unlike Australia, they will not accept servitude, and eventually extermination, by the globalists.

  5. Ozman

    chrism,you are expecting too much if you think Biden would respond and concede his tally is fraudulent. The man believes his turds don’t stink. And they come out of his mouth!

    The woman in purple caught on camera, she has been identified as Ruby Freeman. Foolishly, she advertised her business on her handbag and herself on her shirt. A woman from Australia even congratulated her in the clever way she got free advertising, when she appeared on TV, when the (supposed) pipe leak occurred upstairs. The reason for everybody having to go home, except her and three others.

  6. Ozman

    Gavin, ain’t that typical.

  7. Gavin R Putland

    “They didn’t realize that State Farm Arena, the Atlanta Hawks’ NBA home, was equipped with CC-TV…”

    That’s where my bullshit detector went off. The proposition that they didn’t think they were on video is risible.

  8. Some History

    Hey, Gav Putzland, that’s not a fact check. It’s a “journalist” parroting what she’s been told by the perpetrators.

  9. Gavin R Putland

    Hey, Gav Putzland, that’s not a fact check. It’s a “journalist” parroting what she’s been told by the perpetrators.

    By the Republican perpetrators. BTW, Gabriel Sterling is this dude:

  10. Some History

    By the Republican perpetrators.

    And Dems.

  11. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Footage of State Farm Arena in #Atlanta shows that after poll monitors and media were told counting was done, four workers stayed behind to count #ballots, at times pulling out suitcases containing ballots from underneath desks.”

    This has been reported for about 20 hours now and it looks like its fading already. There is no screeching headline about it in the NY Times, Washington Post, American Spectator or American Thinker. We might think it shocking from 10,000 miles away however it has gone the way of every other “startling” revelation I have seen here during the past four weeks.

    It’s all very business as usual in the US it seems, rich corruption, fat backhanders, favours being settled, many lucky insiders making a fabulous quid while the coup d’état wraps up in the next week or two. The several state parliaments and district political chambers are sitting self importantly in their grand hearing rooms, paying no attention, and the deep state players are quietly moving into their old offices.

    Giuliani could be putting on a performance in court worthy of Gielgud or Guinness but it matters little.

  12. egg_

    By the Republican perpetrators. BTW, Gabriel Sterling is this dude:

    Sterling’s a bureaucrat, retard.

  13. Lazlo

    So it begins. Forget the trolling waffle. If there is a factual, signature-verifying recount in Georgia then Trump wins Georgia. This will be the first domino.

  14. Boris

    Cats still believe this nonsense, despite all the courts and Trump stooge Barr saying there is zero evidence of substantial fraud.

    If Trump decides to stand in 2024 he will lose and damage GOP for years to come. Unless Biden and co screw up. I am sure they will.

    US politics is a sad joke.

  15. JABL

    Why am I put in mind of that counting room scene from Casino?

  16. Lazlo

    Barr has not said there is zero evidence, neither have ‘all the courts’. Have you been watching the ABC perhaps?

  17. Grip

    It’s ironic that the title refers to eyes, given that Mr Kates certainly must have a remarkable pair to be able to read the ballot papers as being marked “Joe Biden” at that distance.

  18. Some History

    Doris, El Grip, and Putzland all say there’s nothing to see here, folks. Move along. 🙂

  19. jupes

    It’s ironic that the title refers to eyes, given that Mr Kates certainly must have a remarkable pair to be able to read the ballot papers as being marked “Joe Biden” at that distance.

    Yeah,they must have been for Trump because there was such a big spike for Trump in the early hours.

    You fuckwit.

  20. stackja

    Twitter dispute CCP actions in HK too?

  21. nb

    Gavin R Putland: The problem goes to trust:
    Trust in the media is shattered – just look at the Russia hoax, fine people hoax, riot reporting, etc.
    Trust in the electoral system is broken by two key developments previously acknowledged by all parties to be insecure. The first is the use of mail in votes, heavily promoted by Democrats. The second is the use of an inadequate computer system – a system that the operators will not step up to representatives from the legislature to explain or defend!
    Additionally, of course, the Democrats have run a fundamentally deceitful campaign, putting forward a candidate barely able to string words together, and who quite literally forgot against whom he was running.
    So many other areas of mistrust enter into calculations too, such as weaponisation of various federal departments, Hunter Biden, China, FISA, and on and on and on – all involving high levels of deceit or malpractice.
    It is unsurprising that faced with an endless stream of lies and deceit and manipulation people might be a little sceptical. An easy way to dispel concerns would be a visible commitment to transparency, but this is not forthcoming.
    No-one supports threats. Starting out by killing people with lockdowns and killing people and destroying property for months, and then pretending your invisible friend won the election is not a way to engender mutual respect.

  22. Davod

    More evidence that there is a correlation between the suitcase ballots and the increase in Biden’s total:

    https://i.postimg.cc/0jJHdPNr/Time-Stamp.jpg

  23. calli

    This has been reported for about 20 hours now and it looks like its fading already. There is no screeching headline about it in the NY Times, Washington Post, American Spectator or American Thinker.

    Think again.

    Not surprised the Grey Lady and Washing Post haven’t reported. Like all the dying superseded media, they are firmly in Biden’s corner.

    There’s a another article over at AT worth a look as well, with an excellent old cartoon of Boss Tweed. The “Too Big to Fail” heist might just be about to run out of legs.

  24. min

    Boris , Steve did not need to be able to read what was on the papers in the cases because suddenly in the next few hours q lot of votes ended up on Biden.’s Tally.

  25. Ozman

    Gavin R Putland
    #3679938, posted on December 5, 2020 at 12:27 am

    Gabriel Stirling is angry that Brian Kemp and Brad Raffensperger are too cowardly to do the right thing and step up to the plate. Instead, they are getting him to do what they haven’t got the guts to do themselves; because they are corrupt and took money from Dominion.

    There are some 40,000 illegal votes already identified in Georgia. This is without the ballots that went through the machines, or the thousands counted in the two hours on camera; when everybody at the State Farm Arena was told to go home.

    The Dominion machines count 3000 ballots an hour. There were four people feeding the machines. That is only 12000 an hour. Biden needed 120,000 votes to overcome Trump’s lead and have a winning margin.

    This is so putrid, all around the world, people with a nose for what’s off, can smell that these criminal politicians are rotten to the core.

    The President’s three pronged strategy is working fine.
    1. Trump’s team is working through the courts.
    2. The criminal prosecutions of Powell and Wood are putting pressure on corrupt republicans.
    3. People are testifying to election fraud in public hearings and circumventing the media suppression.

    All the corrupt media can say is:
    • This is disputed.
    • This has been debunked.
    • Court cases have been lost.
    • There is no evidence.

    If you believe Biden is the next president, there is always easy money at Betfair.

    Trump will win!

  26. Gerard

    Unfortunately the audit company is suspect.

  27. Terry

    Ozman
    #3680005, posted on December 5, 2020 at 6:29 am

    I think that just about covers it – well said.

  28. Some History

    Farcebook using the “fact check” crap

    This is what FB did to your article about the smoking gun video. Censorship of the truth is off the charts!

    https://twitter.com/trishieb371/status/1334769815458865152

  29. Gab

    Oooooooooooooooooooh! Twitter is now making the exclamation statement in red. LOL

  30. Visiting American

    Georgia has had two recounts. That is now three counts of the ballot. They all found the same thing. Courts have found no evidence of fraud. Trump is the fraud in this and it’s now becoming a serious criminal activity.

  31. rickw

    This thread is fly paper for the dumbest trolls.

  32. egg_

    Twitter is now making the exclamation statement in red.

    Uh oh – Nerd DEFCON 2?

  33. calli

    We need an Independent Factchecker. 🤣

  34. rickw

    Doesn’t look like confidence in winning to me:

  35. rickw

    “Because of my skin colour they assumed I was a Demonrat”

  36. candy

    Because of my skin colour they assumed I was a Demonrat”

    Fascinating to hear that GOP people were intimidated and treated in a hostile fashion, and if their mask happened to slip for example were told they were going to kill people. When they left the room Democrats cheered.

    I got the impression the bloke and blonde lady on the panel were staring at the young lady as she gave her testimony in a nasty fashion, especially the bloke. He did not seem to blink even, trying to stare her down deliberately.

  37. rickw

    The freak show most people didn’t vote for.

  38. flyingduk

    The USA was born from revolution, had a full-on civil war and they have Patriots.
    Unlike Australia, they will not accept servitude, and eventually extermination, by the globalists.

    There are military veterans in this country who will not put up with this crap either

  39. flyingduk

    Georgia has had two recounts. That is now three counts of the ballot. They all found the same thing. Courts have found no evidence of fraud. Trump is the fraud in this and it’s now becoming a serious criminal activity.

    Sighs …. I know you shouldn’t argue with stupid, but

    1) RECOUNTING fake ballots (OF COURSE) simply confirms the fake count – what is needed is an AUDIT of whether those ballots are genuine (by signature checking etc)
    2) The courts HAVE NOT found no evidence of fraud – none of the cases so far have been decided on that – ALL of the cases so far dismissed have been on procedural grounds (no standing, not submitted on time, wrong jurisdiction etc) NONE have actually examined the evidence yet.

    What are the Democrats trying to hide (as if we dont know)?

  40. Chris M

    The second is the use of an inadequate computer system – a system that the operators will not step up to representatives from the legislature to explain or defend!

    Yep, the software used by Dominion had it’s birth in fraud. It doesn’t even have an audit log file – it’s impossible to go back and check who did what. Fraud by design.

  41. Boris

    Sensible people move on to an important Georgia senate race WSJ:

    The argument that the country needs a GOP Senate to check a President Biden and Speaker Nancy Pelosi should resonate with voters now that it’s clear President Trump has lost. The problem is that Mr. Trump keeps stepping on that argument, and muddling the GOP message, with his claims that Democrats in Georgia and elsewhere stole the election. The polls show tight races that Democrats could win.

    Mr. Trump has tweeted endorsements of the two Republicans, and he plans to attend a rally in Valdosta on Saturday evening. But he’s also attacking GOP Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger for not overturning the result in a state he lost by 12,670 votes. It’s an unfair rap, as the state conducted a hand recount of every ballot. Mr. Trump lost the race by doing worse in the Atlanta suburbs than in 2016, as he also did in many other suburbs around the country.

    The attacks on fellow Republicans are causing a split in the party that could help the Democrats, who are flooding the state with money and absentee ballot drives. Republicans and independents who voted for Mr. Biden might be willing to vote for the two GOP Senators with the President no longer on the ballot. But Mr. Trump won’t let the election go. Meanwhile, his claims that the vote is rigged for the Democrats could cause many of his voters to stay home.

  42. Albatross

    Boris
    #3680160, posted on December 5, 2020 at 10:38 am
    […]
    Meanwhile, his claims that the vote is rigged for the Democrats could cause many of his voters to stay home.

    The hive-mind’s latest concern troll. Thanks for reproducing it here, as it’s not as if this nonsense is plastered across every legacy masthead, and the Twatter account of every Never Trumper in Christendom.

  43. Professor Fred Lenin

    Allegations that Lawyer X conspired with Vicpol to convict accused persons is disputed .

    The High Courts Pell decision is disputed .
    Al\legations the Andrews government was directly responsible for 700 deaths is dusputed
    Claims that Communist China is bribing Western politicians are disputed .
    Claims that the EU did not want a real Brexit Deal with the UK are disputed .
    And so on ad infinitum .

  44. Kneel

    “NONE have actually examined the evidence yet.”

    Well, technically true. However, the PA judge did grant an injunction saying the complainants had a good case that they were likely to win on the merits because the law was unconstitutional “on its face”.
    That was tossed out by PA SC as “too late” – so if you can’t get the case heard before there is any “damage”, and if you wait for said damage to occur and they say you’re too late, when can you actually get them to even look at it?

    Further more, the courts seem to be tossing out a lot of stuff because they say it’s not enough to over-turn the results.
    If Biden won MI by 12k votes and 5 cases that question 3k votes each are all tossed because individually they don’t change the result…

  45. tombell

    The Democrat poll workers’right to privacy was infringed

  46. egg_

    The second is the use of an inadequate computer system – a system that the operators will not step up to representatives from the legislature to explain or defend!

    Yep, the software used by Dominion had it’s birth in fraud. It doesn’t even have an audit log file – it’s impossible to go back and check who did what. Fraud by design.

    This lawyer looked into the Agilis vote scanning system and found that they could turn down the resolution of the signature checking system (200 DPI by State law) as the State Motor Registry signature files they were referencing were lesser quality than than that demanded by law, so it’s wide open to fraud.

    c. 33 min mark below

  47. calli

    The Democrat poll workers’right to privacy was infringed

    How so?

    She advertised her business name on her handbag. And her given name on her ample boobs.

    If she wished to remain anonymous, she could easily have done so.

  48. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 6:06 am:

    ” This has been reported for about 20 hours now and it looks like its fading already. There is no screeching headline about it in the NY Times, Washington Post, American Spectator or American Thinker.

    Think again.

    A single, short descriptive piece in how many days? There is nothing substantial in it about where or when it has been presented, examined and questioned in evidence.

    “Not surprised the Grey Lady and Washing Post haven’t reported. Like all the dying superseded media, they are firmly in Biden’s corner.”

    Gees, hadn’t thought of that.

    “There’s a another article over at AT worth a look as well, with an excellent old cartoon of Boss Tweed. The “Too Big to Fail” heist might just be about to run out of legs.”

    A – one – cartoon at somewhere unknown, compelling stuff. (“AT”? I don’t carry my attache case bulging with long lists of initialed name translations with me on Saturdays).

    I too, Calli, want to see President Donald Trump prevail, to finish the job of administering the drench to the mongrels who would destroy him, including every living republican; all the petty village “big men”, epitomised by that pig ugly peroxide blonde in the Missouri hearings, Cynthia Johnson, wearing the stupid big blue Sesame Street sunglasses while she abuses her betters in public; and senior public servants, summarily.

    For a month now I have been scanning for objective information about the prospects of that coming to pass – there is so little available. Post after post here of what is definitely, inevitably, certain to occur, solidly backed by “I reckon” or “I wish” or “Simon says” or “Surely” is a pointless distraction from reality.

    China is on the move, lurching about clumsily in public and creeping quietly about in the shadows ever so effectively, with aspirations of domination such as it has never before displayed, and Trump is all the USA has to resist it – to the horror of their business partners Gates, Bezos, Soros, Zuckwhatever, the European Union, the African despots UN etc.

    The last time the US ruling class came under such threat from a president they assassinated him and smothered the evidence with 50 years of State, House, Senate, judicial and extra-special-prosecutor-with-fries formal legal enquiries. To me it looks very much like it is happening again.

  49. will

    The vote fraud in one picture.

    There is no pint in recounting; if the process has been compromised then the result is tainted and needs to be rejected.

  50. calli

    Why so cranky, Mick? You asked, I posted. AT is American Thinker, that’s why I said “another”.

    Right at the beginning of these threads I likened them to Snakes and Ladders. My view is that there are a lot of would be’s if they could be riding the coattails of the legal action with very dubious commentary. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is just part of the process.

    Trump is in the process of upsetting the applecart. Possibly. All these positions, governors, judges, sheriffs, bureaucrats, all elected using dubious methods. Now exposed for the fiddle-ready junk that they are. Can’t imagine why they’d be anxious to handball the lot to the Supreme Court.

    I, too, hope he prevails. And lives to tell the tale.

  51. tombell

    #3680213, posted on December 5, 2020 at 11:40 am
    The Democrat poll workers’right to privacy was infringed

    How so?

    I was being sarcastic. As I normally am. I did put sarc in parentheses but the spam filter “disappeared”it!

  52. Some History

    That “fact check” is going to get some people into deep strife.

    This is what was provided to news outlets late on election night, 3 November

    A pipe burst in State Farm Arena in Atlanta on Tuesday morning, causing a four-hour delay in processing election ballots, according to deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs.

    The burst “had no impact on ballots — not a single ballot was damaged,” Fuchs said.

    State Farm Arena, the home court of the NBA’s Hawks, is the largest ballot processing center in Fulton County, according to Fuchs. Fulton County is Georgia’s most populous county.

    Fulton County officials said repairs were made within two hours and that no ballots or equipment were impacted.

    As for the timing of counting ballots, county officials said, “there was a brief delay in tabulating absentee ballots while the repairs were being conducted.”

    “Tonight Fulton County will report results for approximately 86,000 absentee ballots, as well as Election Day and Early Voting results,” county officials said.

    “As planned, Fulton County will continue to tabulate the remainder of absentee ballots over the next two days,” the officials continued. “Fulton County did not anticipate having all absentee ballots processed on Election Day.”

    Later in the night, Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. despite earlier intentions to complete processing Tuesday night. Some additional numbers could still come out Tuesday night, but as of now the staff will be back at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348

  53. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Why so cranky, Mick?”

    Express an opinion about a matter of some moment, take the time to explain it = “cranky”.

    But of course.

  54. calli

    Chuckle.

    Gees, hadn’t thought of that.

    (“AT”? I don’t carry my attache case bulging with long lists of initialed name translations with me on Saturdays).

    Good. Not cranky. Must have been me being all female and touchy, so cut me some slack. I’ve just had my two sisters in law around for lunch.

    I survived. Just. 😃

  55. egg_

    AT is American Thinker

    Thanks.

    The acronyms get yours truly at times, too.

  56. egg_

    The last time the US ruling class came under such threat from a president they assassinated him and smothered the evidence with 50 years of State, House, Senate, judicial and extra-special-prosecutor-with-fries formal legal enquiries. To me it looks very much like it is happening again.

    +1

    Per the Election thread, he’s been virtually Kennedy’ed, an UN-President already.

    Unlike lawyer Barnes writing off Martial Law, methinks Trump has every option up his sleeve, even if the Military are deeply ingrained in the swamp – he has Flynn on his side.

    Barnes may be a lawyer but he’s never run operations the size of Trump’s and never a whole country.

    This has been a coup in plain sight – everyone knows it all over the Globe.

  57. Rorschach

    That “fact check” is going to get some people into deep strife.

    Yes – here is more:

    https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/1323846118208376834?s=21

  58. Crossie

    It’s all very business as usual in the US it seems, rich corruption, fat backhanders, favours being settled, many lucky insiders making a fabulous quid while the coup d’état wraps up in the next week or two. The several state parliaments and district political chambers are sitting self importantly in their grand hearing rooms, paying no attention, and the deep state players are quietly moving into their old offices.

    I wonder if the 75 million Republican voters whose votes were overtaken by fraud will just go back to their normal lives. Somehow I don’t think so. If this is not nipped in the bud now nobody will trust elections from now on, not even Democrat voters.

  59. Crossie

    If Trump decides to stand in 2024 he will lose and damage GOP for years to come. Unless Biden and co screw up. I am sure they will.

    Republican Party is already mortally wounded. By not protesting about the election fraud they have sealed their fate. US is ripe for another party and most of the voters will come from GOP. But all this assumes that anyone even bother with elections again.

  60. Crossie

    This has been a coup in plain sight – everyone knows it all over the Globe.

    Everyone can see it but not everyone will admit what they are seeing. It suits them not to.

  61. stackja

    First they came for the Communists. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Communist.

    Now first they came for Donald Trump …

  62. dover_beach

    It’s an unfair rap, as the state conducted a hand recount of every ballot.

    Raffensburger promised a recanvass, audit, and signature verification, not just a recount. Why did he renege on everything bar the recount?

  63. Visiting American

    Evidence. There’s none. Claiming there is will not make it so. I’d also remind folk here that many of the electoral officials concerned are Republicans and that Trump appointed a very large number of the judges hearing cases as well as the Supremes. If trump had evidence we would have seen it. It’s a scam.

  64. Boambee John

    Was “Visiting American” an inhabitant of Dan of the Dead’s hotel quarantine? perhaps he shouldn’t have drank the hand sanitiser?

  65. Dot

    Visiting American
    #3680700, posted on December 5, 2020 at 8:47 pm
    Evidence. There’s none. Claiming there is will not make it so.

    Why lie? What have you got to gain?

    No one knows who the President elect will really be yet; they will be another politician and constrained by Congress.

    Claiming isolated cases makes sense.

    Claiming NO evidence is such an ambit claim it is a little insane and probably never true in any election.

  66. EllenG

    Dot: the yank is right. There’s no evidence. If there was trump’s judges would have seen it. There’s simply nothing in this but delusion and trumps desperate ego.

  67. Dot

    No evidence!

    No, that is bullshit.

    You are a lunatic Ellen, you are actually claiming this is the cleanest election ever held.

    You could write for Pravda or Izvestia.

  68. Albatross

    David Gnarlsson
    #3680724, posted on December 5, 2020 at 8:56 pm
    Evidence. There’s none.

    There we go. A total denial of reality as the ambit claim. “No evidence” is the new six million.

    Birdstrike.

  69. Dot

    Hi Graeme

    It was seven million, the NDSAP even kept records in triplicate.

  70. Albatross

    Graeme, you need to work your way up to “Da Joos”; drop some hints IDK. Buy me a drink first for God’s sake.

  71. buckshot

    Visiting American = Adam Schiff?

    Incontrovertible!

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