Open Forum: December 5, 2020

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Every one of them better than TGE.

    Unforgiven. The Shootist. The odd Angry Shot.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    understanding the enemy.

    Very good dissection of what they exactly mean by diversity, inclusion and equity. Regressives do not use these words the way we use these words. watcheable at 1.75x

    It’s important everyone understands what exactly this new holy trinity is about and how evil the entire woke project actually is and why it must be defeated and more importantly purged from our schools and universities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jLNgLABuTw

  3. thefrollickingmole says:

    Cat girl cowboys vs the outlaw naughty tentacles gang.

    I’m thinking Deadwood meets girls und panzer but with more fanservice

  4. rickw:
    The history of injection moulded AR-15 lowers:
    Excellent video.
    Do you know if anyone has tried injection moulding with carbon fibre?
    Probably too expensive.

  5. Pedro the Loafer says:

    I binge watched The Sopranos on Foxtel for about five hours last night.

    Outstanding series.

  6. cohenite says:

    Some more bad news; the latest jack reacher novel, the sentinel, has as it’s villains white supremacists, actually real nazis, who live in fear of antifa. I’m not kidding; and the white supremacists/nazis are mixed up with some wussian electoral fraud.

    I burnt all my copies of child’s shit shortly after reading his latest crap. I hope he invest his millions in a renewable energy project and goes bust.

  7. Boambee John says:

    Watching part of an SBS documentary on Nazi Germany earlier. It emphasised that Goebbels first moved to indoctrinate the young through school.

    The new fascists of the “progressive” left have been doing this for 40 or more years. Petty fascists like munty are the product. Reversing this will be a massive task, but reducing the remuneration of the propagandists would be a good symbolic start. Move their focus to protecting their comfortable lifestyles might reduce their opportunities o do more damage.

  8. kaysee says:

    cohenite, I’ve been noticing the leftie agenda creeping into the fiction arena. When you read a crime thriller or a fictional novel, it is to take a break from the real world. Yet, there you see, they are pushing the diversity and inclusivity agenda.

  9. Boambee John says:

    cohenite
    #3681716, posted on December 6, 2020 at 9:08 pm
    Some more bad news; the latest jack reacher novel, the sentinel, has as it’s villains white supremacists, actually real nazis, who live in fear of antifa.

    Reacher is the ultimate one man lynch mob. If someone added up all the people he killed in the series, he would be the greatest mass killer of modern fiction. The last couple I read used scenarios straight out of Dark Web paranoia.

    Off my list. Baldacci (away from the Camel Club series) is much better.

  10. kaysee says:

    A Thought 🐻
     
    For the Night

  11. kaysee says:

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  12. thefrollickingmole says:

    Kaysee

    The Frogs have a term that translates to “ staircase wit” which is leaving the party going down the stairs you think of the perfect reply to a conversation

  13. Dr Faustus says:

    The most uplifting bloke fillems of all time are “The Full Monty” and “Billy Elliot”.

    Nowt as queer as folk…
    Fockin’ barlley…

    Both terrific.
    #mypeople

  14. cohenite says:

    Baldacci (away from the Camel Club series) is much better.

    I find Baldacci very frustrating, especially the Atlee Pine lot; the plots seem to deliberately thwart her and the evil bastards’ just desserts aren’t just at all. Reacher was perfect: he’d just bash ’em or brake their necks; and he had a brain. But if he’s gone woke it’s all for naught.

    Thanks heavens they can’t touch the Screwball flicks or the Marx Brothers.

    I hate the left.

  15. cohenite
    #3681716, posted on December 6, 2020 at 9:08 pm
    Some more bad news; the latest jack reacher novel, the sentinel, has as it’s villains white supremacists, actually real nazis, who live in fear of antifa.

    The author is a not-dripping-wet, but a damp leftie.

    This despite him having written a franchise series that will surpass Fleming/Bond.

  16. vlad says:

    At one point in history, Lawrence of Arabia was the greatest bloke movie of all time.

    The Great Escape came out earlier the same year. Greatest year for bloke movies ever.

  17. Siltstone says:

    johanna
    #3681669, posted on December 6, 2020 at 8:01 pm
    None of the rules apply to them, including the ones they compel others to follow. They are special.

    Never a truer word was spoken Johanna. And this keeps optimists going. Because, a for a fair chunk of us average folk, hypocrisy is a deadly sin apparent to many and something to be exposed and punished relentlessly.

  18. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Bloke movies.

    Anything with Clint Eastwood, except for the appalling Bridges of Madison County.

    I will never forgive him for making that bloody awful flick. I suspect he was being fed Estrogen laced Huevos Rancheros every breakfast back then.

  19. egg_ says:

    SBS had a doco on earlier featuring Hollywood C-listers lecturing folk on eebil coal & sea level rise in Florida!

    Natch!

  20. Knuckle Dragger says:

    ‘Anything with Clint Eastwood’

    Ah yes Pedro. Forgot the Which Way But Loose masterpieces.

    Barry likes those especially.

  21. Old School Conservative says:

    thefrollickingmole
    #3681729, posted on December 6, 2020 at 9:21 pm
    The Frogs have a term that translates to “ staircase wit”

    Then there is the definition of witty repartee:
    a quick sharp reply you think of 24 hours later.

  22. max says:

    For the Jack Reacher fans:

    Apparently two Childs are as good as one, as I wouldn’t have known The Sentinel was coauthored if it didn’t say so on the cover. As ever, the prose is utilitarian, no cream or sugar, like Reacher’s coffee. Words impart information. Sentences tell you what is happening. At one point, Reacher faces down six white supremacists, so within seconds there are six white supremacists writhing on the ground:

    The other guy was trying to crawl away, so Reacher went after him and kicked him in the head. Normally he would have used his left foot in a situation like that, where the guy was already down. His weaker foot. But this guy was a Nazi. So he used his right. And he didn’t hold back.

    This happened, so that happened, he would have done this, but he did that, and he did it like this. Nothing fancy: that’s the way to write a good thriller. I recently failed to finish a thriller by Dean Koontz, for whom “spiderweb” is how philistines refer to “the radials and spirals of a spider’s architecture,” while “rumpled-laundry clouds” “darken to coralline” and “gray into woolpack.”

    Of course there are nits to pick. Reacher is supposed to be a math whiz, but he believes that “forty-eight hours” is three words. The bad guys are awfully gullible this time around. If Reacher signals that they should roll down the window so he can toss an improvised chemical bomb into their car, or drive into an alley so he can beat them up, they do. “You’ll believe a man can fly,” read the posters for Richard Donner’s 1978 film Superman. You won’t, but that’s not why you go to the movies.

    THERE ARE AUTHORS who don’t so much muddy the distinction between “genre” and “literary” fiction as prove it illusory: le Carré, Highsmith, Eric Ambler, Ursula K. Le Guin, Graham Greene, John Crowley, Samuel Delany, Gene Wolfe, Larry McMurtry. There’s not a spectrum with Proust at one end and Nicholas Sparks at the other. There are only the different things we want from books, the different reasons we come to them at different times. The Childs write escapist action fantasy, which is one thing I’ve wanted from fiction since The A-Team was on the air.

    For many people, what we read is bound up with a sense of who we want to be. In high school I wanted to be a certain kind of person, so I already knew I was going to read all the Big Serious Novels—Ulysses, War and Peace, Moby-Dick, Middlemarch, Gravity’s Rainbow, In Search of Lost Time, The Brothers Karamazov. Because you had to read them if you wanted to be that kind of person. That’s a perfectly human reason to read, at least initially, but actually reading these books teaches you that it’s a reason best left behind. Auden quips that “the adolescent . . . has to pretend that he enjoys . . . War and Peace a little more than he actually does.” And once you’ve become the kind of person who really does enjoy War and Peace, maybe you can also get to the point where when someone asks you what you’re reading and you say Jurassic Park or The Hunger Games, you don’t feel the need to make excuses. War and Peace can be really fucking boring. And I never finished In Search of Lost Time, but I’ll be reading the twenty-sixth Jack Reacher novel.

  23. cohenite says:

    For the Jack Reacher fans:

    Like I said antifa is the hero not reacher; the baddies fuck up because they’re afraid of antifa; spelt with a capital a.

  24. Terry Pedersen says:

    Bloke movies.

    Duel
    Unforgiven
    Once Upon a Time in America
    One Upon a Time in the West
    Vanishing Point

  25. vlad says:

    Also: The Good The Bad and the Ugly; and Big Wednesday.

  26. max says:

    Talking of Italian gangsters, Gomorrah on SBS 32 later is excellent.

  27. Knuckle Dragger says:

    The original Point Break.

    From Dusk Till Dawn.

  28. Dot says:

    Romanza Criminale is a fine mob series.

  29. Knuckle Dragger says:

    I hope young Darren Sams organised to get a copy of the tape from tonight’s match, because it’s the first and last time he plays for his country.

  30. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Well, I liked Every Which Way But Loose with Clyde and Clint.

    Not the first time I have been told my taste in fillums is woeful.

    I even paid to get into a Star Wars movie once.

    Hard to live down the shame.

  31. Pedro the Loafer says:

    T20 is a travesty that should be banned forever, the players shunned and exiled, their houses burned down and their names obliterated from history forever.

    Don Bradman would agree.

  32. vlad says:

    The Godfather – that’s another great movie.

    And The Exorcist.

    Pope St John Paul II watched that twice; when it finished he said words to the effect of “play it again, Sam.” When you’re the boss of your own country, you get a few little perks like that.

  33. cohenite says:

    I hope young Darren Sams organised to get a copy of the tape from tonight’s match, because it’s the first and last time he plays for his country.

    Nah, they’ll make him captain.

  34. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Dunno Pedro.

    I’m a dyed-in-the-wool purist, I think. The five day event is the Holy Grail, but the one-day format saved the game from obscurity – even though the Poms had been running 60 over matches domestically for years.

    It’s not a cricket match though. It’s a product, like competitive woodchopping.

    I spent three or four hours today with the Australia A v India your match in the background on Focks, and enjoyed the ebb, flow, cut and thrust immeasurably more.

  35. Dot says:

    Well said, Mr Lavac:

    Mr Lavac added, “If these fat cat desk jockeys and overzealous cops have the balls to go after me, a seasoned and hardened criminal lawyer, for trivial, Mickey Mouse bulls**t like this, what possible chance does a little Aussie battler have against people like these? Not a snowball’s chance in hell.”

    NEWS.com.au: Sydney barrister’s ‘offensive’ Lamborghini number plates seized by police.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/sydney-barristers-offensive-lamborghini-number-plates-seized-by-police/news-story/f91f8d3fdc77d948a34962e31a7235f7

  36. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Sams appears to have a reverse chin.

    No amount of gym work’s going to improve that, buddy.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Vanishing Point

    +1

  38. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Outstanding, Mr Lavac.

    The NT was and is awash with personalised plates. For some years the punters were duping the ESL Motor Vehicle Registry people and driving around with some excellent plates.

    My personal favourite was ‘VAGETA’. Apparently there was wailing, sackcloth and ashes when someone finally twigged.

  39. vlad says:

    Actual numberplates I saw once: NVRXME.

    Charming.

    And eventually VicRoads must have worked it out, because they’re no longer in use or available.

    I also see someone driving around Melbourne with STRNZO.

    That’s one vowel short of an Italian word for turd.

  40. Rex Anger says:

    I even paid to get into a Star Wars movie once.

    Hard to live down the shame.

    Which one?

    There are degrees.

    And the prequels are now universally acknowledged, for all their faults, to be orders of magnitide better than everything that has so far crawled, mewling and dribbling from the Austrian r0pe dungeon that is Disney Star Wars…

  41. Dot says:

    Griko and I believe spelt correctly?

    XIFUSA
    STUGTS
    FXNBLZ

  42. vlad says:

    The Star Wars movie in order of merit:

    Episode IV (ie Star Wars);
    Episode V;
    Episode VI;
    Episode 3;
    Episode 2;
    Episode 1;
    Episode VII – I stopped going after this one, it was so bad. It wasn’t Star Wars.

  43. Dot says:

    My personal favourite was ‘VAGETA’. Apparently there was wailing, sackcloth and ashes when someone finally twigged.

    Nah, they were just Dragon Ball Z fans.

  44. vlad says:

    The Rocky movies are all pretty good.

  45. vlad says:

    And apparently they’re considering having a TRANS jedi in some future abomination.

  46. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    [spooky music]
    Time to review whether anything supposedly predicted by the Warcroft “Q code” for Dec 5 has happened.
    • Was there a raid on the Obama Presidental Library? Well a scan of the news shows…no news of anything happening there today, and indeed the building it’s supposed to be housed in has not even been built yet due to unforeseen objections to construction permits. Nada on the OPL.
    • Was there a “shutdown” causing patriots to “lose access” to anything important for MAGA. Well a brief scan of some of the usual legal suspects, highly-followed Q-acolytes (thestorm122117, prayingmedic), and warcroft himself all shows no shutdowns or holdups being reported. Nothing about the impounded voting machines or the 4chan servers etc. If anything they all seem quite chuffed at how well things are going for MAGA. The only thing MAGA obviously needed to access today was Trump’s rally in Georgia, and no news articles about it claim there was any holdup with attendance.
    [vinyl screeching to a halt sound effect]
    So that’s a total fail for Warcroft’s Q-code.

  47. Dot says:

    Yep. Star Wars, a samurai and western film set in a high technology space opera period and galaxy, has always been about…cutting your dick off and getting a boy pussy.

    Straight and gay men don’t want to fuck trannies. They’re very unhappy people, suicide rates increase after sex change surgery.

    This is a character arc that almost nobody wants.

  48. Dot says:

    Q-Anon is the CreepyPasta of politics.

  49. Dr Faustus says:

    And The Exorcist.

    Still sensational.
    Shame about the sequels.

  50. Pedro the Loafer says:

    I know T20 and ODI’s pay the bills.

    I have loved cricket since I was little tacker, my boyhood heroes were hairy and thuggish fast bowlers and elegant stroke playing batsmen.

    The ultimate Holy Grail was the Ashes, I spent hundreds of hours wagging school at Sheffield Shield games and The Don was accorded equal stature with Jesus, Mother Theresa and the Pope.

    Alan McGilvray’s measured tones were the soundtrack of summer.

    It irks me no end to listen to the screaming loudmouth cretinous commentators in T20, and the fireworks, drums banging and “music” make the Red Cloud of Blood (RCOB) arise and obscure my vision.

    Looking at talented and quality batsmen pulling shit like switch hitting, cow corner tonks and whacking the back of the bat for runs doesn’t help my BP.

    An abomination, but money talks, and the call centre operators run the game these days.

  51. Rex Anger says:

    @ Vlad-

    Plus eleventy.

    I saw Ep.8 twice- I should have just sprayed Dettol in my eyes, for all the screaming that my brain did about the sheer incoherency and stupidity of it all.

    And Solo was only good for the 11 seconds of Warhammer 40,000 Imperial Guard combat on whatever mudhole it was. I’m surprised Games Workshop has not gone after Wurl Didney for Intellectual Property Theft.

    I suppose it had to do with the fact that Stormtroopers are at least 10% different from the Adeptus Astartes…

    #OnlyInDeathDoesDutyEnd

  52. stackja says:

    Day of the Jackal: … who the hell was he?

  53. stackja says:

    Star Wars were early 1950s cinema serials “rehashed”.

  54. MatrixTransform says:

    EH wagon on the South Gippsland Hwy … number plate BRMBRM

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Lame pics.

    “How traditions are born.”

    In the aftermath of the evacuation of Dunkirk, the British Army undertook a major review of all unit organizations and equipment. Reviewing the organization of a field artillery battery, they discovered one soldier, in the battery headquarters, who appeared to have no allocated duties whatsoever.

    Patient inquiries revealed that it was originally his task to hold the battery commanders horse, while the battery was in action…

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Day of the Jackal: … who the hell was he?

    Edward Fox?

  57. stackja says:

    Zulu – The assassin.

  58. Zyconoclast says:

    – Dirty Harry
    – Tightrope
    – Cool Hand Luke
    – The Manchurian Candidate [1962]

  59. MatrixTransform says:

    there are no Men Movies …

    men are welding shit
    chain-sawing branches off
    burning stuff on BBQs
    working out how to 2D stabilize some video footage
    digging up and moving the bodies
    robbing banks
    or rounding up a posse
    reading books to the kids
    or doing the tax

    if you find yourself on the couch watching a movie, then it’s FOR you, not ABOUT you.
    put yr hand down yr pants and check for for bollux.

    if yr married, look in yr wife’s hand-bag

  60. WDYSIA says:

    Kath Deves from Save Women’s Sports Australasia discusses the many alarming implications of the Change or Suppression (Conversion) Prohibition Bill 2020 (VIC).

    Top of the list: “denounce.” The bill seeks to among other seeks to things “denounce.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYRewYXuJ1w

  61. WDYSIA says:

    At 13:00 you discover you cannot even remain neutral.

  62. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Mike Lester has the wickedest caricature of Joe of the cartoonists.
    And I suspect the most accurate.
    Thanks Tom!

  63. calli says:

    Lester! 🤣

  64. Gilas says:

    thefrollickingmole
    #3681729, posted on December 6, 2020 at 9:21 pm
    The Frogs have a term that translates to “ staircase wit”

    Esprit de l’escalier

  65. Gilas says:

    MatrixTransform
    #3681855, posted on December 7, 2020 at 12:37 am

    there are no Men Movies …

    Spot on!

  66. Herodotus says:

    Thanks tom. Branco’s democrat donkey’s are works of art most days, so expressive. But not there today.
    Knight seems to have lost his mojo since doing his best ever cartoon about Serena and being pummelled for it.
    Also suffering a twitter pummelling, she says, is Laura Tingle. She can console herself with a new marriage to a very rich left leaning celeb who has a vineyard in picturesque NZ. Apparently Leigh Sales cops it on twitter too!
    What goes around comes around, and the left started the policy of hate and get even on social media and everywhere else. C.L. has a lead article up about the ABC’s still showing Pell as convicted.
    There’s some alleged artist in the USA or Canada who has perfected a technique for reconstructing video of famous people and rescripting what they appear to be saying. She casts them as somehow apologising for misdeeds. Her targets include Zuckerburg, who perhaps has something to feel contrite about, but more tellingly she also did Kavanaugh!
    Then there’s Sacha Baron Cohen, who inserts his casts into real events, films the results and is trying to make it look real.
    It’s a rough world out there, and it didn’t come as the legacy of Robert Menzies or his successors.
    At the end of the day we have to say that the conservatives by and large do mr. nice guy too often, or at least until pushed beyond tolerance – who knows when the next backlash will come from that direction?

  67. rickw says:

    This is the stuff of legend!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We3iE8o9zhk

    Naturally this could never be imported into Australia because border farce would make this impossible.

  68. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Also suffering a twitter pummelling, she says, is Laura Tingle. She can console herself with a new marriage to a very rich left leaning celeb who has a vineyard in picturesque NZ. Apparently Leigh Sales cops it on twitter too!

    Notorious ABC propagandists being criticised?
    Unthinkable!

  69. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Quiet Open Forum so far today!

    Following recommendations from a few here we started watching The Queen’s Gambit series 1.

    It is very good, in fact, excellent. And I don’t even play chess. It’s still a gripping tale, well acted.
    Hairy does play chess at quite a good level, and adds extra info on all of the moves, and explains how various moves are known and played over, in so many combinations, and written down; but it is not necessary to play to enjoy the scene setting in the 1960’s, the scripting and the storyline of an orphan. We’re into episode 5 next.

    You should learn to play, Hairy says. Too late for me, I reply. So, no.
    The series is a wonderful introduction to the world of chess and its culture.
    And a well-played heroine who plays very well indeed. 🙂

  70. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “It’s a rough world out there, and it didn’t come as the legacy of Robert Menzies or his successors.
    At the end of the day we have to say that the conservatives by and large do mr. nice guy too often, or at least until pushed beyond tolerance – who knows when the next backlash will come from that direction?”

    Great comment Herodotus. I can’t help but note that Laura Shingles has never said anything about the Twitter abuse copped by News Corp journo Rachel Baxendale…and what was Rachel’s crime? She was doing her job as a journalist and asking tough questions of a favourite of Shingles, Dan Andrews. Shingles has never said anything about the obscene twitter abuse endured by various conservative and right-wing female politicians and commentators. I don’t recall Shingles condemning the abuse Nicolle Flint suffered…including the “strangulation” tweet by Mike pour the gin Carlton during Q&A last year….which I’m sure both Laura Shingles and Leigh Scales would have been watching at the time. But as soon as one of their own is on the receiving end of abuse…..they get all precious. They’re hypocrites of the first order.

    And as for “that the conservatives by and large do mr. nice guy too often“….indeed.. this is something I argue frequently about. It doesn’t pay being nice or dignified or decent when the progressive left aren’t nice, dignified or decent…in fact they, and this includes the likes of Shingles and Scales, just laugh at the idea.

  71. jupes says:

    The series is a wonderful introduction to the world of chess and its culture.
    And a well-played heroine who plays very well indeed. 🙂

    I agree. I watched because it was recommended by many here and thought it was excellent.

    Total bullshit of course. There never has been, and probably never will be a female world champion.

  72. Clam Chowdah says:

    I thought the “develop some disease” video was an overdubbed parody. He actually said that? It looks like he’s having trouble compartmenting what people are telling him in private.

    I have a friend who worked a few years on a ward with dementia patients and he says Biden shows so many signs of being in decline that it’s “obvious”.

  73. Clam Chowdah says:

    Some more bad news; the latest jack reacher novel, the sentinel, has as it’s villains white supremacists, actually real nazis, who live in fear of antifa. I’m not kidding; and the white supremacists/nazis are mixed up with some wussian electoral fraud.

    I burnt all my copies of child’s shit shortly after reading his latest crap. I hope he invest his millions in a renewable energy project and goes bust.

    As soon as I learned the author was British I lost interest. A Pom writing about crime in the US? It’s like a woman writing a war novel. No thanks.

  74. Cassie of Sydney says:

    I can’t recommend this highly enough…a discussion (a few days ago) between David Rubin and the always superb Douglas Murray. Murray nails everything…from Trump to how conservatives (Liberals here) always let us down….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qeb4y7EFCg

  75. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Well, he’s had five years to address the matter, but Rowe’s homoeroticism just isn’t translating into failed political point scoring any more.

    And he’s racist. It’s all pasty, naked old privileged white men. No naked chicks. No wrinkly, elderly trans pan interbrix people. No pot gutted old bleck dudes. I know his experience to date is old white people because that’s what you get living in Canberra, but you just expect more. It’s really disappointing.

  76. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Women chess players?

    Women writing war novels?

    What’s next? A woman vicar?

  77. Gilas says:

    Current chess rankings

    No vaginas anywhere the top 80.

    Chinese Hou Yifan is #82, Elo rating: 2658 in Classical
    Hou Yifan is widely considered to be the second-strongest female chess player in history (behind Judit Polgar). Among her top accomplishments are the four Women’s World Chess Championships Hou won before declining to participate in the event. She’s also a chess prodigy. Her first women’s world title came at 16 years of age—three years after becoming the youngest female grandmaster in history.

    Judit Polgar‘s highest Elo rating was 2735 (No. 8 player and No. 1 woman in the July 2005 FIDE world rankings), equivalent to a #20 ranking today.

    But, yeah, just like a National soccer team from Africa, they’ll win an Open World Championship.

  78. pete m says:

    How do you get the world’s fastest person to be female?
    Well first take the world’s fastest man, then ….

  79. calli says:

    My 11 year old grandson has tipped me from the family chess podium. And, no, I didn’t let him win.

    And the little bugger has worked out how to do the Rubic’s Cube in under 20 seconds.

  80. Farmer Gez says:

    The Victorian government allows international flights back today…or did they?

    We can’t be sure if this was ever agreed upon or just a creeping aviation assumption.

  81. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Women chess players?”

    Yes, my mother taught me how to play chess.

  82. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Appalling. And I mean that in the most derogatory sense possible.

    This is somebody called Amelia Saw, who somehow – SOMEHOW – got this into one of, if not the largest selling daily in the country. It’s not that I can’t post the full thing. I just won’t, because it’s like tipping your dunny bucket out in the street, a la medieval England.

    It’s about events in the aftermath of Carl Williams, the single dumbest crook in Australia, shuffling off this mortal coil, and it’s also about Bob Hastings – a generally useless grey man of a VicJack Inc Assistant Commissioner who started what he thought was a post-career sinecure a week or so earlier. Saw, on the post-skull-mincing presser:

    ‘The air was strung tight with tension, even breathing felt strained. More than 100 eye [email protected] watched, as he moved across the floor.

    ‘His shirt was freshly ironed, his uniform navy blazer square on his shoulders.

    ‘The Commissioner for Corrections looked every part the calm, considered voice of authority.’

    Then she describes his surprise at being asked some hard questions, followed by his justification of putting a dog in close proximity to a killer of dogs and leaving them there. Naturally, nothing is asked about the screws who were got to, and who faded from view afterwards never to be heard from again. Then, to finish:

    ‘“It was really unacceptable that it occurred. And it certainly shook us quite a lot,” Hastings said.

    ‘“We were operating within the technology that we had at the time. We were operating within our current approaches at the time.’

    Just. I can’t even.

  83. Farmer Gez says:

    The third day in a row of cold wet windy weather putting a stop to harvest.

  84. calli says:

    Oh, hello. Extinction Rebellion is having a CovidSafe (chuckle) demmo in Brisbane.

    I wonder if the police will throw them to the ground and cuff them.

  85. Leigh Lowe says:

    ‘The air was strung tight with tension, even breathing felt strained. More than 100 eye [email protected] watched, as he moved across the floor.

    ‘His shirt was freshly ironed, his uniform navy blazer square on his shoulders.

    No chocolate drop eyes?

  86. hzhousewife says:

    Sam may no longer be under Laura’s shingle, so I am told.

  87. Boambee John says:

    hzhousewife
    #3681951, posted on December 7, 2020 at 8:47 am
    Sam may no longer be under Laura’s shingle, so I am told.

    Laura no longer under Sam’s tingle?

  88. hzhousewife says:

    Lizzie, if nothing else, the clothing in the Queen’s Gambit is divine. We loved the series, also recommend Hillbilly Elegy.

  89. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “hzhousewife
    #3681951, posted on December 7, 2020 at 8:47 am
    Sam may no longer be under Laura’s shingle, so I am told.”

    Well that’s good to hear. I’ve always had a soft spot for Sam…yes I know he’s a bit of a lefty…but I was appalled to think he was an item with the perpetually glum Shingles.

  90. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    No vaginas anywhere the top 80.

    systemic sexism! in utopia, women and men all have equal outcomes!

  91. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Clam, you are right about Biden, he is finding it hard to separate his own side’s private discussions from things he should not say in public. The claim to have the best election fraud mechanism evah well in place for the coming 2020 is a case in point. There it was in plain sight.

    About which, I was listening to Smooth FM on my way to a dance class just now and the ‘news’ came on. Trump stated to be continuing to ‘lie’ about election fraud in spite of courts saying there was none. Trump’s ‘lies’ were mention twice in the short report. In other words there is NO reporting of already established fraud. It’s a great big curtain drop from the MSM over the whole election. Trump should go and he’s ‘still’ lying, that’s the ‘news’.

    There’s no hope for good public information and informed discourse in the West now. A slow descent into controlled fascism is happening. Even ScoMo is talking about the great ‘re-set’.

    My poor grandchildren. What a lot of hysterical nonsense their young years have been through and what economic distress lies ahead for their generation. It will be slow, but it is coming.

  92. Tom says:

    Sam may no longer be under Laura’s shingle, so I am told.

    I’m tipping Sam Neill is a closet conservative who, like so many on the right, finds himself momentarily sexually attracted to a leftard floozie (wall-to-wall in showbiz), but, when the novelty wears off, baulks at inflicting on himself the leftard’s 24/7 mental illness.

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Yep. Fabulous 60’s fashions in that show, HZ. They did the 50’s so well too. Sweet innocence and willfulness and all with a Peter Pan collar. The girl who didn’t fit in. I was there, so I know. 😊

  94. Leigh Lowe says:

    I think Sam Neill was attracted to Laura’s curly fleece.

  95. Leigh Lowe says:

    Hairstyle.
    Not fleece.
    Hairstyle.

  96. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Tom
    #3681966, posted on December 7, 2020 at 9:09 am
    Sam may no longer be under Laura’s shingle, so I am told.

    I’m tipping Sam Neill is a closet conservative who, like so many on the right, finds himself momentarily sexually attracted to a leftard floozie (wall-to-wall in showbiz), but, when the novelty wears off, baulks at inflicting on himself the leftard’s 24/7 mental illness.”

    You may be right…I really liked his documentary on Captain Cook last year. It was excellent.

  97. Farmer Gez says:

    Leigh Lowe
    #3681968, posted on December 7, 2020 at 9:13 am
    I think Sam Neill was attracted to Laura’s curly fleece.

    Regularly crutched?
    Funny what comes to mind when you’re moving a mob of sheep.

  98. 132andBush says:

    Farmer Gez
    #3681927, posted on December 7, 2020 at 7:58 am

    The third day in a row of cold wet windy weather putting a stop to harvest.

    I’ll say!
    Bloody hell, it’s like winter down here.
    At least I’m catching up on some sleep.

  99. Old School Conservative says:

    calli
    #3681921, posted on December 7, 2020 at 7:47 am
    My 11 year old grandson has tipped me from the family chess podium. And, no, I didn’t let him win.

    I taught my grandson (of a similar age) to play chess some years ago and wouldn’t let him win either. Copped criticism from family members for my policy of him learning from his mistakes and my winning strategy.
    Of course the natural turn of events unfolded and one day he beat me fair and square.
    The jubilation in that kid was worth 10 times the criticism I had gone through.
    He knows what it takes to win – which he does on a regular basis now!

  100. Roger says:

    China is developing advanced weather modification techniques in a project called ‘Sky River.’

    It claims that by 2025 they will be able to modify the rainfall in a drought affected area greater in size than India. The project, begun in 2015, involves the creation of an artificial “air corridor” along which water vapour will travel, which sounds intriguing.

    They are also experimenting with hail mitigation in other areas.

  101. thefrollickingmole says:

    Look at this slithering tapeworm.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/06/margaret-hodge-calls-for-ban-on-social-media-anonymity
    The Labour MP Dame Margaret Hodge has said the government must ban online anonymity or make social media directors personally liable for defamatory posts, revealing that she receives tens of thousands of abusive tweets a month.


    Hodge said the abuse painted a false portrait of who she was, including that she supported apartheid and was a paedophile.

    “What is so upsetting is, it’s not me and it undermines me. I’m sure it feels the same for Diane Abbott, for Meghan Markle,” she said. “It’s so often women, but this is so chilling for me because it comes from within the left, people who should share my values about changing the world.”

  102. Leigh Lowe says:

    Funny what comes to mind when you’re moving a mob of sheep.

    Well, whatever it is, keep it to yourself.

  103. cohenite says:

    Apparently there are no photo’s of michelle obama pregnant.

  104. thefrollickingmole says:

    Look at this slithering tapeworm.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/06/margaret-hodge-calls-for-ban-on-social-media-anonymity
    The Labour MP Dame Margaret Hodge has said the government must ban online anonymity or make social media directors personally liable for defamatory posts, revealing that she receives tens of thousands of abusive tweets a month.


    Hodge said the abuse painted a false portrait of who she was, including that she supported apar theid and was a pae dop hile.

    “What is so upsetting is, it’s not me and it undermines me. I’m sure it feels the same for Diane Abbott, for Meghan Markle,” she said. “It’s so often women, but this is so chilling for me because it comes from within the left, people who should share my values about changing the world.

  105. thefrollickingmole says:

    Farmer Gez

    20 bags to the acre in parts of Feraldton.

    Up at Binnu on the shittiest sandplain you can imaging some chaps are getting 12 bags.

    Its been a phenomenal year in some parts, considering the huge windstorm & cold/dry patch.

  106. johanna says:

    Just finished watching the Douglas Murray/Rubin interview posted by Cassie at 7.28 am. Thanks for that.

    I must say that DM disappointed me – I fear he is starting to become a bit pompous. For example, he made much of having spent a couple of months in the US recently – but he never went more than 50 km from the coast. No flyover country for him. NY, LA bla bla. He was just talking to people in the bubble, even if they were alleged Republicans.

    When he talked about Trump challenging the election result, he revealed that his ‘sources’ always feared that Trump would do something crazy like this, i.e. refusing to accept the result and leaving office gracefully. In other words, DM has the classic British ‘nicey-nice’ prejudice against Trump, and suspects that he may be trying to be a dictator. Dimmocrat talking points, with not a shred of evidence.

    Then, in a moment of complete lack of insight, he says that ‘conservatives always disappoint us.’

    Well, yes, Dougie. Funny you should mention it.

    I also think his prognostications on the future of the US are right on the edge of arrogant, especially from someone who never visited Wyoming, Idaho or Indiana. Not to mention that his own country is circling the drain far more rapidly.

    Always had a lot of time for him, but it seems that he is starting to take himself way too seriously.

  107. Mother Lode says:

    Apparently there are no photo’s of michelle obama pregnant.

    Who could look upon that scowling misanthropic behemoth and say “Aww, now there is a moment I want to capture.”

    She doesn’t glow. She emits a fierce radiation that scorches surfaces, blisters flesh and rends DNA.

  108. johanna says:

    This is somebody called Amelia Saw, who somehow – SOMEHOW – got this into one of, if not the largest selling daily in the country.

    Please tell me she’s not a descendant of the great Ron Saw, an old style journalist of the rough and tumble variety who graced the Tele and other papers in the 50s to 70s.

    If so, Ron would be chewing through the coffin to give her a clip over the ear.

  109. Infidel Tiger says:

    Ayatollah Khomeini brown bread.

    Biden Admin announce 3 days of mourning.

  110. Leigh Lowe says:

    Infidel Tiger

    #3682018, posted on December 7, 2020 at 10:57 am

    Ayatollah Khomeini brown bread.

    Another fleet of Hyundai Santa Fe’s?

  111. Tom says:

    I also think his prognostications on the future of the US are right on the edge of arrogant, especially from someone who never visited Wyoming, Idaho or Indiana. Not to mention that his own country is circling the drain far more rapidly.

    Thanks, Johanna. You’ve saved me the trouble. I won’t bother now, even though I also put it aside for later.

    I think the fact that every single Pommy cartoonist has Trump Derangement tells us plenty about Britain’s cultural sickness in the early 21st century. They wouldn’t know what liberty was if it jumped up and bit them on the balls.

  112. Helen Davidson (nmrn) says:

    My 11 year old grandson has tipped me from the family chess podium. And, no, I didn’t let him win.

    I joined a chess club for a while at our local library, years ago. Best player there was 9 years old. He could beat everyone, even the adults. Annoying little brat 🙂

  113. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    “What is so upsetting is, it’s not me and it undermines me. I’m sure it feels the same for Diane Abbott, for Meghan Markle,” she said. “It’s so often women, but this is so chilling for me because it comes from within the left, people who should share my values about changing the world.”

    into a communist totalitarian shithole

  114. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    chicom incompetence
    Taiwan not buying China-made COVID-19 vaccines over safety concerns
    Quality, dubious production methods causes of concern

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    It’s so often women, but this is so chilling for me because it comes from within the left, people who should share my values about changing the world.”

    into a communist totalitarian shithole

    as supported by every single troll here

  116. johanna says:

    Tom
    #3682023, posted on December 7, 2020 at 11:01 am

    I also think his prognostications on the future of the US are right on the edge of arrogant, especially from someone who never visited Wyoming, Idaho or Indiana. Not to mention that his own country is circling the drain far more rapidly.

    Thanks, Johanna. You’ve saved me the trouble. I won’t bother now, even though I also put it aside for later.

    I think the fact that every single Pommy cartoonist has Trump Derangement tells us plenty about Britain’s cultural sickness in the early 21st century. They wouldn’t know what liberty was if it jumped up and bit them on the balls.

    It’s sad to see even someone as solid on free speech as Douglas Murray nevertheless being suspicious of Trump because he is not a Republican version of that bloke in The West Wing.

    He not only misunderstands how brutal and combative US politics is, assuming that it means that Americans don’t understand what is at stake, he must have his eyes shut about what is happening in the UK.

    I fear that he is becoming one of those pompous political pundits that he used to deplore.

  117. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Always had a lot of time for him, but it seems that he is starting to take himself way too seriously.”

    You might be right there Johanna and I have to agree….I didn’t like his Trump election spiel but he was dead right about Thatcher and how she was brought down by “small men”…Heseltine, Major and so on and the fact that conservatives (Liberals here) always let us down.

    Anyway, it was a good discussion to start the day with!

  118. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Ayatollah Khomeini brown bread.

    That was quick.
    He was only in “declining health” this morning, and his son was taking over some of his duties.
    I wonder if the heinous bat crud got him?
    Not enough violet leaf oil?

    Iran Supreme Leader Khamenei hands power to son due to health – report (JPost, 6 Dec)

  119. Dr Faustus says:

    In Labor Productivity news:

    Labor is urging the Morrison government to support its plan to increase five days of unpaid domestic violence leave to 10 days of paid leave per year.

    Without trivialising the subject, with confidential DV ‘sickies’ on offer, you can absolutely guarantee that there would be a boom in domestic violence – particularly the female on male variety.

    The risk for actual DV victims is that their own awful circumstances will gradually be merged with an industrial lurk.

    And a huge boost to Rona recovery.

  120. Brian says:

    Re Douglas Murray.
    It was quite surreal to hear him speak of Portland as basically an anarchy of 3d world proportions that Biden laughs off as just an idea and later to hear him absolutely terrified that Trump is destroying democracy by suggesting that he actually won the election.
    Clearly the destruction of trust in the electoral process could bring about terrible things – including civil war.
    So one presumes that he was previously terrified at the thought of a Pelosi generated Armageddon when she tried to get Trump removed by impeachment over a nothing burger!!
    Is the destruction of democracy a bad thing – yes it is, but we need to be realistic here. Democracy is not a good thing in and of itself. Its purpose is to dilute the handling of power – and amongst a people of generally similar cultural norms and who still have a deep seated cognition of the 10 commandments, the peaceful transition of power from one to another without war is a major accomplishment.
    But when the transition is to a power base that is already freely allowing and even encouraging such absurdities as Antifa and its resultant lawlessness and anarchy, you would think that questioning the process might not be such a bad thing. Add to that the fact that individual states orchestrated the means for fraud contrary to their own constitutions and you would think a journalist might not be so ready to say that had seen no evidence of improprieties!! The process itself was deliberately and fundamentally flawed – but there is nothing to see here??
    The great benefit of democracy is the dilution of power – but the USA has seen the Deep Swamp progressively accumulating power. How is the process changed – how is it reformed – how is the great aim of democracy restored? Anyone who studies history knows that we only arrived where we are through great struggles and much loss of blood. To hand the keys of power to the deep state when they are promising to make it much worse is not a generous act of civilised people, it is an act of civilisational suicide.

  121. johanna says:

    Yes, Douglas is spot on about Margaret Thatcher.

    But he has a blind spot when it comes to Trump – all those London dinner parties and never venturing into parts of the US where there is not a gay bar on every corner.

    If he’s not careful, he’ll become a luvvie.

  122. Top Ender says:

    Great balls of fire: space capsule back safely
    VICTORIA LAURIE

    A manmade fireball that fell to Earth in the South Australian desert was seen and heard by more than 80 instruments that were placed across 600km of outback country around Woomera.

    The Hayabusa2 capsule briefly turned into a fireball as it reentered the atmosphere 120km above Earth in the early hours of Sunday, creating a blaze of light visible over the state’s north.

    The slender, suitcase-sized capsule landed safely with its precious cargo of asteroid dust after a remarkable space journey. The capsule has travelled 5.2 billion kilometres over the past six years, and took two samples last year from the 4.5 billion-year-old asteroid Ryugu.

    The capsule was released by its orbiting “mother’’ spaceship, Hayabusa2, in a precise operation in which it landed safely on the ground at the end of a parachute in the Woomera Prohibited Zone at 4am on Sunday.

    A helicopter was used to trace the capsule’s signal over the search area, and soon was able to zero in on the landing spot.

    The project is the brainchild of the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), which reported that it was pleased to have captured and delivered the first samples from the underside of a distant asteroid.

    It is hoped that when the capsule’s contents arrive back in Japan, researchers will be able to share clues to the origin and matter that makes up the universe.

    But the excitement of Hayabusa2’s creators was matched by scientists from Curtin University’s Desert Fireball Network team, who spent months preparing and setting up dozens of tracking devices and seismic monitors across the remote target region.

    Hadrien Devillepoix and his colleague Ellie Sansom said they were thrilled to see and hear the capsule’s re-entry to Earth after waiting through the night.

    “It was a real light show, a beautiful orange fireball that lasted many seconds, streaking past above us and travelling from horizon to horizon,” Dr Devillepoix said. “We were lucky to have a clear sky and the wind died down, so they were ideal conditions.”

    The Desert Fireball Network researchers are experts at tracking and locating meteorites that routinely fall to Earth.

    “We normally track natural objects, and find out where they went,’’ Dr Devillepoix said. But we also backtrack to establish their orbit and where they came from.

    “Hayabusa allows us to test our instruments and methods, especially on the backtracking aspect.

    “This object came back to Earth very fast, at about 12km a second, so it caused shockwaves a bit like you get with a fighter jet going through the sound barrier.

    “We got sonic booms that arrived about three minutes later, and it was great listening because we didn’t expect to hear it that clearly.”

    He said the half-tonne Hayabusa2 mothership dropped its capsule as it passed over the Australian continent and then continued its journey on to another asteroid.

    “It will reach it in about 10 or 11 years’ time, so its space mission will take a while. We don’t know much about asteroids and getting a small sample is fantastic because they are like the building blocks of the universe.

    ‘It caused shockwaves a bit like you get with a fighter jet going through the sound barrier’

    AFP

  123. Clam Chowdah says:

    Lizzie, a piece on Walter Tevis.

    (Kevin Mims’ Quillette pieces are always excellent).

    https://quillette.com/2020/12/04/the-hustler-and-the-queen/

  124. zyconoclast says:

    Now that’s a coincident

    MESSAGE OF THE HOLY FATHER FRANCIS
    FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES

    Dear brothers and sisters,

    This year’s celebration of the International Day of Persons with Disabilities is an occasion to express my closeness to those experiencing situations of particular difficulty during the crisis caused by the pandemic. All of us are in the same boat in the midst of a turbulent sea that can frighten us. Yet in this same boat, some of us are struggling more; among them are persons with serious disabilities.

    The theme of this year’s celebration is “Building Back Better: Toward a Disability-inclusive, Accessible and Sustainable post-COVID-19 World”. I find the expression “building back better” quite striking. It makes me think of the Gospel parable of the house built on rock or sand (cf. Mt 7:24-27; Lk 6:46-49). So I take this special occasion to share some reflections based on that parable.

  125. johanna says:

    TheirABC still obsessed with rotting pineapples.

    Not a word about US politics. Nothing to see here …

    We pay $1.2 billion a year for them to ignore world politics and put up crap about bilbies and rotting pineapples.

  126. Rockdoctor says:

    China is developing advanced weather modification techniques in a project called ‘Sky River.’

    Wow, these dudes are already pissing off the downstram countries on the Mekong now this which has the potential to affect weather patterns over the whole region. The Han are fast turning into locusts.

  127. thefrollickingmole says:

    Broadly speaking the problem with politics and society is the creeping encroachment on the gaps in life.

    Again, generalizing, 40 years ago laws were fewer and if you wanted to disengage from society or live on the margins, provided you didnt break one of the laws you were left alone. Even the ones the left like to shriek about (gays etc) were largely left alone provided they didnt publicly flout the law.

    Now government has crept up and doesnt want to allow any of those spaces to remain, instead it identifies and colonizes them with new regulation, monitoring or controls.
    Its never ending thirst for “information” is a Soviet style central planning by stealth. The steady strangulation of small business via regulation leading to a handful of operations willing to be co-opted in exchange for ensuring startup and competition is impossible.

    This has led into the control of government becoming “critical” as the amorphous blob, instead of being a minor background facilitator of a few standards and responsibilities is instead the arbiter of “everything”.
    Opting out now by not using contact tracing shit, using cash etc, instead of making you invisible now is a sign you must be a deviant or suspicious or else you wouldnt do so.

    There is no hope for society unless overweening government is bashed back into glorified local council status with piss poor pay packets and no pensions or cushy government/industry sinecures awaiting retired ministers.

  128. johanna says:

    My fantasy version of Senate Estimates with TheirABC:

    Q: What is the biggest story around the world today?

    A: (muffled input from minion) Well, there were some bomb blasts in Lebanon earlier.

    Q: Is that more important than the Presidency of the United States?

    A: No. of course not.

    Q: When did the ABC decide that Joe Biden had won the election?

    and so on.

    I dream of Faulkner at that fat bloke from Victoria grilling them in Esrimates.

  129. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    China is developing advanced weather modification techniques in a project called ‘Sky River.’

    I was wondering if they accidentally overdid it earlier this year when the Three Gorges nearly failed.
    Also wiped out a lot of their agriculture.
    Be quite embarrassing if the Sky River turned out to be a Sky Man-Made Disaster.

  130. johanna says:

    and.

    It was Senator Robert Ray. He and Faulkner were a very effective tag team in Estimates.

  131. bespoke says:

    johanna
    #3682012, posted on December 7, 2020 at 10:46 am

    Spot on.

  132. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Now government has crept up and doesnt want to allow any of those spaces to remain, instead it identifies and colonizes them with new regulation, monitoring or controls.

    Yep, nearly a month without a Covid community infection and we still weren’t allowed to sing in church yesterday. Explain that one Gladys, please.

  133. johanna says:

    Bruce, I read about that alleged redirecting air streams stuff.

    It sounded like nonsense to me.

    Your thoughts?

  134. Figures says:

    A lesson in epidemiology (because you’ll never get it from epidemiologists):

    The gold standard in vaccine testing is randomised double blind placebo controlled trials. It is critical that both arms of the trial are blinded to whether they receive a vaccine or they get a placebo. If significant numbers of people in either arm are able to discern what they got then the results become automatically invalid because both researchers and recipients will typically have a large vested interest in getting the vaccine approved (the researchers because they will make money and the recipients because why else would they volunteer for the trial?)

    Normally, pharma companies hand out non-inert controls instead of placebos. This of course renders the trials invalid (it’s like comparing cobra bites to rattle snake bites and declaring the group with the least deaths to be the recipients of a safe bite) but it does at least mean the recipients can’t tell if they got the vaccine or the control.

    On the other hand, if the placebo is actually a placebo a lot of the volunteers will become effectively unblinded. If you experience a moderate or severe reaction you will assume (probably correctly) that you received the vaccine rather than the placebo. As the volunteers are the sorts of people who desperately want the vaccine to be approved, they will thus manipulate the results to look good for the vaccine. So they will tell the researchers that their moderate reactions were mild or non-existent or their severe reactions moderate or minor. The researchers of course probably don’t have the ability and certainly don’t have the the willingness to doubt their claims.

    Even the efficacy results can (and for COVID vaccines no doubt have) been manipulated this way. Those who suspected they got the vaccine would have avoided covid testing (or said they didn’t have covid symptoms to ensure a negatively interpreted result).

    At the top I said that double blind trials are the gold standard. This is only true because epidemiologists are morons. Easily the dumbest people in history. You can’t use any kind of placebo trials to validly prove safety. We never use such things to prove the safety of cars, parachutes, food etc.

  135. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Johannna – Tassie Hydro has been doing cloud seeding for a long time, to drop the rain into the catchments.

    Directing lower level air streams isn’t silly. We already know that wind farms change the climate down wind of them by slowing the wind down. But I didn’t read that article so I don’t know what they specifically intend engineering-wise.

  136. Roger says:

    Ayatollah Khomeini brown bread.

    Biden Admin announce 3 days of mourning.

    Not that far off the truth.

    At the time, Biden welcomed the Iranian revolution, saying that human rights would improve.

    He’s been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy issue since 1973.

  137. woolfe says:

    China is developing advanced weather modification techniques in a project called ‘Sky River.’

    Pffft our Bureau of Mythology already does that.

  138. Roger says:

    But I didn’t read that article so I don’t know what they specifically intend engineering-wise.

    Talk of “breakthroughs in research” and “new technologies” but details scant thus far.

    If it works I wonder if they’d share it with us?

  139. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    At the top I said that double blind trials are the gold standard. This is only true because epidemiologists are morons.

    This story posted without comment…

    Many Epidemiologists Want Social Distancing and Masks Forever—Even After the Vaccine (4 Dec)

    “I expect that wearing a mask will become part of my daily life, moving forward, even after a vaccine is deployed,” Amy Hobbs, a research associate at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told The Times.

    Marilyn Tseng, an assistant professor at California Polytechnic State University, said life would never revert to the way it was, though the preventative measures currently practiced—masks and social distancing—will feel “normal” in time. Similarly, Vasily Vlassov, a professor at HSE University in Moscow, said life was perfectly normal now because this is the new normal.

    Ok, I will comment. They are battier than the Wuhan wet market on a Fruitbat Friday.

  140. Rockdoctor says:

    Joanna. From my rudimentary knowledge from my Environmental Science major and an atmospheric chem class in 2nd year it would be a big effort, lots of energy involved. However hence my locusts comment you would be stealing rain and moisture from elsewhere. I don’t think even the scientists would know the 2nd & 3rd order effects of such medalling. IMO has the potential to start wars.

    Thailand for years has been cloud seeding and the effects of that are still not fully understood.

  141. At the time, Biden welcomed the Iranian revolution, saying that human rights would improve.
    He’s been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy issue since 1973.

    He was on the right side re the Falkland Islands.

    Arguably not a major foreign policy issue.
    (Only coz Argentina lost)

    If that’s how far we gotta drill to find an issue he was right about, it proves your point.

  142. Yep, nearly a month without a Covid community infection and we still weren’t allowed to sing in church yesterday. Explain that one Gladys, please.

    Form the church into a B&D Club, gather in a poorly ventilated basement, private parts exposed (everybody) & connect them with those of random strangers.
    Prayer must at all times be subsidiary to connect private parts, or the trick won’t work & you’ll all be liable to arrest.

    Or am I thinking not of NSW but of Michigan? (so hard to tell these days)

  143. cohenite says:

    Brian
    #3682069, posted on December 7, 2020 at 11:51 am

    Good post. To which I add that sometimes to save the principle of democracy – the dilution of power – you have to be undemocratic.

    I would not be worried if Trump declared martial law and started arresting various demorats, and a few rinos; because I trust Trump.

  144. bespoke says:

    I would not be worried if Trump declared martial law and started arresting various demorats, and a few rinos; because I trust Trump.

    yes but do you trust the people carrying out those orders?

  145. Roger says:

    Many Epidemiologists Want Social Distancing and Masks Forever—Even After the Vaccine (4 Dec)

    My viewing of Escape to the Country – just about the only thing I watch these days – is routinely punctuated by an ad stating that even though the covid crsis has passed we still have to practice good hand hygiene, social distance and wear masks when necessary (all accompanied by cartoons for the linguistically challenged). It provides no rationale iirc. I must pay attention to who the authorising body is next time it comes on.

  146. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) says:

    He’s been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy issue since 1973.

    and on the right of his bank balance

  147. Dr Faustus says:

    But I didn’t read that article so I don’t know what they specifically intend engineering-wise.
    Talk of “breakthroughs in research” and “new technologies” but details scant thus far.

    Basically the project involves building a network of hundreds of coal-fired furnaces high in the Tibetan mountains, and using them to convect silver iodide up into the moist air. The idea being that the clouds are seeded and the water falls onto the Tibetan plateau.

    Aparrently:

    Space scientists designed and constructed the chambers using cutting-edge military rocket engine technology, enabling them to safely and efficiently burn the high-density solid fuel in the oxygen-scarce environment at an altitude of over 5,000 metres…

    Very cutting edge – although they look surprisingly like like 1950’s industrial furnaces.

    Chinese scientists were bagging the shit out of the concept a couple of years ago. Presumably, now that it’s a happening thing with Beijing support, they are clapping hands and gasping at the wonder of it all.

    As Rockdoctor says – a ‘locust’ project.

  148. bespoke says:

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3682149, posted on December 7, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    I would loose my job.

  149. Roger says:

    Basically the project involves building a network of hundreds of coal-fired furnaces high in the Tibetan mountains, and using them to convect silver iodide up into the moist air.

    But where will they get the coal from?

  150. cohenite says:

    yes but do you trust the people carrying out those orders?

    I’ve said this before; swamp connections, including rinos, are the ones opposing Trump. The theme of his 4 year term has been people pretending to support him and then betraying him.

    We’ll see what barr does.

  151. Boambee John says:

    Tom

    I think the fact that every single Pommy cartoonist has Trump Derangement tells us plenty about Britain’s cultural sickness in the early 21st century. They wouldn’t know what liberty was if it jumped up and bit them on the balls.

    Jak and Giles were wonderful, understated but clear in what they depicted. The modern breed are far too “in” with each other, and if you do not know exactly what they are on about, meaningless.

  152. Dr Faustus says:

    But where will they get the coal from?

    I think you’ve put your finger on the problem…

  153. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    Why were we trending in Twitter this morning for “US Politics” discussions?

    United States politics · Trending
    Australia
    157K Tweets

    Hmm? (le click)

    Someone posted a video of an outdoor music/dance party in Australia celebrating ending of Covid19 restrictions. The `Murcan MSM have run wild pointing to Melbourne as the Aussie success story that every State in USA should be emulating.

    • Australia almost eliminated the coronavirus by putting faith in science – The Washington Post
    • Australia and New Zealand beat back the virus without a vaccine. How did they do it? LEADERSHIP AND MASKS.
    • As an American, reading this thread makes me really sad. Australia was able to come together and get their life back with UBI, gov’t support of small businesses, and unified agreement to temporarily sacrifice. Nearly 10 months in and our leaders have done close to nothing.
    • They did the work as a society and are reaping the rewards. It took government support combined the business cooperation and public compliance, but Australia is one of the many nations that proves what has happened in America was NOT inevitable.
    • Melbourne, the capital of Victoria, Australia and a city with about as many people as the greater Washington, DC, area, has been completely coronavirus-free for four weeks. Here’s how the city did it: [picture of Melbournites wearing respiratory masks]

    Yes, it’s unsurprising that a disease that is transmitted mainly by people breathing on each other has been almost eliminated by the combination of filtering their exhalations and keeping people apart. It’s high-school level science, not complicated at all.
    But the words “cost” and “debt” are completely absent from these Tweets. The cost has been so enormous it is the elephant in the room that few want to talk about. Except for some ALP nong complaining in Parliament about the debt caused by the Liberal party policies his own party supported.

    The fact any politician is moaning about the cost and debt and “gee what can we do about cliiiimate chaaange” is the proof the epidemic is over in Australia.

  154. Tom says:

    A 38-minute schooling for denialist anti-democratic idiots like Never Trump Cat troll Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus about the election fraud that was rampant in the 2020 US election.

    Pay particular attention to the research and statistical analysis of Patrick Basham (15-minute mark) and Daniel Horowitz (27-minute mark). Presented by constitutional scholar Mark Levin.

  155. bespoke says:

    China claims coronavirus may have started in AUSTRALIA and travelled to Wuhan’s wet market via frozen steak exports

    No you are! 🤣

  156. Top Ender says:

    Special forces soldiers are in “absolute uproar” and threatening to discharge from their positions in protest of their squadron being disbanded in the wake of the Afghan war crimes report.

    Chief of Army Rick Burr last month removed 2 Squadron Special Air Service Regiment from the Army’s Order of Battle following the release of the Brereton Report, arguing the group was a “nexus of activities” related to the war crimes allegations.

    It is the squadron in which Australia’s most decorated living soldier and Victoria Cross recipient — Ben Roberts-Smith — served.

    Former officer in the Sydney-based special forces 2nd Commando Regiment Heston Russell told The Daily Telegraph “more than 60” current serving and reservist SAS members “have or intend” to submit their discharge paperwork in disgust over the “group punishment”.

    Daily Tele

  157. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) #3682149, posted on December 7, 2020 at 1:07 pm
    uniparty strikes again
    Casual workers who have been with the same employer for a year and in regular shifts for six months must be offered permanent employment under the federal government’s new workplace reforms aimed at tackling insecure work.

    Reading that article, there’s lots of landmines in there.
    I’ve always believed Porter to be a fool.
    Porter is a fool – anyone able to change my mind?

  158. Special forces soldiers are in “absolute uproar” and threatening to discharge from their positions in protest of their squadron being disbanded in the wake of the Afghan war crimes report….
    ….. “more than 60” current serving and reservist SAS members “have or intend” to submit their discharge paperwork in disgust over the “group punishment”.

    Smart work Slomo, you soft-handed office johnny.
    Just when the Celestials are starting to really thump their chests at us.

    Real smart work, dickhead.

  159. Some History says:

    What’s this “freedom” stuff?

    From Jane Carosene


    Jane Caro
    @JaneCaro

    This is brilliant on the bizarre self-defeating idea of ‘freedom’ (free-dumb) that makes Americans so self-destructive (see Trump & COVID)

    https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1335769009963188224

  160. dopey says:

    ABC: Jury in Hayne case unable to reach ‘unanimous’ verdict.

  161. Some History says:

    Bent Meddler sends Rudy “get well soon” wishes


    bettemidler
    @BetteMidler

    #RudyGiuliani exposed hundreds to Covid-19 as he relentlessly criss-crossed the country seeking to overturn the election; pix of him maskless, hugging, kissing, posing with other Covidiots…it’s enough to make you gag. Pity the poor doctors & nurses who have to treat him.

    https://twitter.com/BetteMidler/status/1335753139669098503


    bettemidler
    @BetteMidler

    Honestly? Both Rudy G and Donald T should be charged with murder.

    https://twitter.com/BetteMidler/status/1335754316553056258

  162. johanna #3682082, posted on December 7, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    Their ABC still obsessed with rotting pineapples.

    It might affect the pizza…

  163. drbeaugan says:

    The primary fault in Douglas Murray’s analysis of Trump is that he doesn’t grasp the enormity of the challenge to the liberal worldview that is taking place in the Anglosphere. We’ve been losing freedom of speech for decades now. We’ve seen the media go into the grip of an insane cult. We’ve seen failure to follow the state and federal constitutions in the US and Australia. Mostly “justified” by coronavirus claims which don’t stand up to numerical analysis.

    It’s a very big thing, and looking at the small and local level doesn’t give the perspective needed.

    Murray isn’t the only one who doesn’t grasp the scope of it.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    China claims coronavirus may have started in AUSTRALIA and travelled to Wuhan’s wet market via frozen steak exports

    So far China has separately said that the heinous bat crud came from Italy, India, USA and now Australia. I wish they’d make up their minds.

  165. Mother Lode says:

    RudyGiuliani exposed hundreds to Covid-19

    So it should be possible to show that he has left a Typhoid Mary trail of sick people in his wake.

  166. Mother Lode says:

    So far China has separately said that the heinous bat crud came from Italy, India, USA and now Australia. I wish they’d make up their minds.

    Well, they have seen the speed at which Australia will drop and grovel.

    Expect SloMo to announce that he has been on the line to Xi (well, Xi’s deputy’s undersecretary’s secretary’s h0usekeeper’s dog) apologising.

    He will then hop onto We-Chat begging Chinese in Australia not to hate us too much. Just the right amount instead.

  167. Dr Faustus says:

    China claims coronavirus may have started in AUSTRALIA and travelled to Wuhan’s wet market via frozen steak exports

    Somewhere in Beijing: “Hey, Wong, I bet if we tweet Austraya starting Wuflu stupid flucker Morrison will have trouser-filling meltdown…”

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Two-thirds of the fun provided by Netflix’s The Queen’s Gambit was provided by the performance of Anya Taylor-Joy. No one in their right mind would want the series to continue without her.

    Thanks for the link to an essay on the the source novel and others from the same pen. I agree that the game of Pool may have similarities to chess at the level of ambition and strategy so The Hustler and The Colour of Money may provide some developmental points for Series 2 of The Queen’s Gambit as long as Anya stays in the role.

    Interesting re Lexington, Kentucky. My de-facto daughter-in-law is a New Yorker via her father with whom she spent her sophisticated adult arty years till reaching Australia by drift and linking up aged 40 with my eldest edge-of-autistic drifting son and having his baby; but she’s a Lexington girl by her mother, a secretary. My d-in-l did her high school years in a small town near Lexington. I love the way she still pronounces ‘get’ as ‘git’. Small town girl vs big town girl who never really shook off small town girl would make a way forward for the show. Dolly Parton is the only one I know who has successfully made the bridge.

    I very much look forward to whatever the future holds for young Beth from the Orphanage.
    I just hope they don’t destroy another series by going ‘woke’ with it.
    As it will be the 70’s the temptations will be strong to head that way.

  169. Struth says:

    Good Lord.
    I accidentally saw Dan Andrews on the tele on Sunday.
    They made the outsiders go over to his press conference, and wasn’t that a spectacle of mind games.
    He’s definitely at the next stage, and I’m sure if you sat down with him, got a few beers into him, on the quiet he’d tell you just how good he is at playing the Victorian people.
    How superior he is, indeed what a leader he truly is.
    Easy to play them when nobody is holding you to account, but this arrogant moron believes in himself, and he’s never been confronted.
    And please don’t wank on about Credlin.
    She is an utter failure against him because she went after him in regards to his processes, not his criminality.
    She believes in the lock downs, and that is all you need to know.
    She promoted the lies of people dying of a disease when they died of old age and were reclassified deaths as now well proven.
    They were always going to die, as will we all around that age, if lucky.
    This would be a no brainer ,if you were sane.
    But here was a tyrant congratulating the Victorian people on their achievements in being so easily conquered, when the fudging of fudged data regarding the fudged data about irrelevant cases in Victoria, there apparently being none, blah blah, pleased him, only of course until until some one naughty does something, and we all know there are naughty people out there.
    Especially the right wingers.
    Full of covid, those bastards.
    The rotters will spoil it for everyone.
    All the good work in not having a choice to lock yourselves away in your houses lest you be bashed by Vicpol, was “sincerely” appreciated by the tyrant as if the people had a choice…………and it seems that the people prefer to believe they did.
    Yet nobody is free and there he was still telling people actually how to dance and how many people you can have at your house.
    Insanity.
    And the main tyrant, Sco Mon won’t let you leave this country, while they have started to import workers and students to keep their mates happy.
    You will now be digitally controlled via vaccination checks (and any other reason they so desire) on your movements, purchases, and entire life choices.
    And those you don’t chose.
    Welcome to Klaus’s new world order you thought was a conspiracy theory.
    It’s just the start.
    You will own nothing and be happy….his words not mine.

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Murray isn’t the only one who doesn’t grasp the scope of it.

    Yes. This is what grabbed at me this morning listening to a run-of-the-mill show on Smooth SM, just ‘the news’, purchased in from Fairfax probably. It was the complete acceptance of ‘received wisdom’. The scope of it is that it’s everywhere, and in everything. No escape, I thought sadly. Simply no escape.

  171. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “drbeaugan
    #3682202, posted on December 7, 2020 at 2:02 pm”

    Agree Dr BG. I’m still a big fan of Murray.

  172. Top Ender says:

    More from the Daily Tele article – it appears a lot of people are being active protestors…

    “The 2nd squadron has been there since 1964 and has generations of veterans who fought in Borneo, Vietnam and many other deployments in between, many of whom never even deployed to Afghanistan,” he said.

    “Disbanding punishes nearly 60 years, multiple generations, of those who served.”

    Mr Russell said the squadron members were in “absolute uproar” but unable to mount a public defence.

    “I think over 350 letters have been written to the Prime Minister because that’s all they’re allowed to do,” he said.

    “They can’t get on social media or get their voice out in public.”

    It comes as a scheduled parade to “farewell” the squadron scheduled to take place ­tomorrow has been cancelled.

    A Defence spokeswoman confirmed the planned “activity to mark the removal of 2 Squadron” at Campbell Barracks in Perth would not go ahead at this time.

    “In light of sensitivities related to the inquiry, the Chief of the Defence Force has requested the Chief of Army delay the activity until the implementation plan for the inquiry is fully developed,” she said.

    The spokeswoman said Defence “acknowledges the long history” of 2 Squadron and the “service” of its veterans.

    “Defence will work with the 2 Squadron veterans community and ex-service organisations to appropriately acknowledge their service,” she said.

    However one veteran told The Daily Telegraph the event was not going ahead as many people, including people in the SAS Association, had decided to boycott it in protest of the handling of the decision to axe the squadron.

  173. Leigh Lowe says:

    Crickey.
    Word-wall goes full italic.
    What does it mean?

  174. Eyrie says:

    Johannna – Tassie Hydro has been doing cloud seeding for a long time, to drop the rain into the catchments.

    Directing lower level air streams isn’t silly. We already know that wind farms change the climate down wind of them by slowing the wind down. But I didn’t read that article so I don’t know what they specifically intend engineering-wise.

    Problem is that rainfall is sphighly variable in both time and space at all scales that you can’t know whether it has worked. Or so we were taught in the first week at BoM forecasting course.

  175. Eyrie says:

    Sorry, “so highly”.

  176. Leigh Lowe says:

    That would be crikey.
    Crickey is a different thing.

  177. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Hadrien Devillpoix is the bloke (?) from Curtin Uni who set up the Hayabusa satellite trackers at Woomera.

    I bet he comes from Adelaide.

  178. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Thanks, Chowder, I should have said.

    Good to see you on here now and again. Like ole times. 🙂

  179. Leigh Lowe says:

    Problem is that rainfall is sphighly variable in both time and space at all scales that you can’t know whether it has worked. Or so we were taught in the first week at BoM forecasting course.

    Yes.
    Most of these “cloud seeding” guys are at pains to point out that they cannot make rain, merely increase the yield from rain which was going to fall anyway.
    So, we get 20mm.
    How do we know it would only have been 15mm without seeding?

  180. Boambee John says:

    Some History
    #3682193, posted on December 7, 2020 at 1:55 pm
    What’s this “freedom” stuff?

    From Jane Carosene

    Jane Caro
    @JaneCaro

    This is brilliant on the bizarre self-defeating idea of ‘freedom’ (free-dumb) that makes Americans so self-destructive (see Trump & COVID)

    I suspect that if restrictions were to be placed on what Carosene wrote and taught, her attitude to freedom would change.

  181. bespoke says:

    Word-wall goes full italic.
    What does it mean?

    Trying to standout in todays prophetic race.

  182. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    disgust over the “group punishment”.

    They’ve had group punishment in the military since forever and a day. Like one recruit screws up and everybody gets pushups, or one person in the barracks leaves a sock out of place and everybody gets cleanup duty. It was used to the extreme in WW1, such as the Italian army executing soldiers entirely at random if their team failed in a team objective. Although my impression is that it has fallen out of favour in most militaries since then, on account of it being, you know, quite demoralising.
    So collective punishment is not normally used in the ADF these days?

  183. Top Ender says:

    It’s reef science that’s rotten, not the Great Barrier

    PETER RIDD

    The International Union for Conservation of Nature has released its latest report on the state of the Great Barrier Reef. It has turned up the volume by one notch, claiming the threat to the reef has gone from “significant concern” to “critical”. It blames climate change, agricultural pollution, coastal development, industry, mining, shipping, overfishing, disease, problematic native species, coal dust — you name it, it is killing the reef.

    But the report is just a rehash of old, mostly wrong or misleading information produced by generally untrustworthy scientific institutions with an activist agenda and no commitment to quality assurance.

    It is remarkable that the world has been convinced that one of its most pristine ecosystems is on its last legs. Part of the problem is that, being underwater and a long way from the coast, very few people visit the reef. The truth is hidden. Those of us in North Queensland living adjacent to the reef, and tourists from elsewhere, can report the water is iridescent clear blue and totally unpolluted. The fish and coral are fabulous.

    The reef occasionally conspires to give the impression it is dying. An area of coral the size of Belgium can be killed by cyclones (hurricanes), native starfish plagues or bleaching. All these events are entirely natural and are part of life on the reef. In fact, each of the 3000 individual reefs, along the entire 2000km length of the Great Barrier Reef, is a 50-100m high plateau of dead coral rubble that has built up over millennia. The live coral lives on the surface of this pile of dead ancestors.

    Sixty years ago, when these cycles of death and destruction were first being discovered by scientists, it was legitimate to be concerned about whether they were unnatural. But there is now abundant evidence, almost totally ignored by the International Union for Conservation of Nature, that the reef is fine. The coral always recovers vigorously after major mortality events. Coral remains abundant on all 3000 reefs. The amount of coral, while fluctuating dramatically from year to year, is about the same today as when records began in the 1980s. The coral growth rates have not declined — if anything they have increased, as would be expected from the slight increase in temperature over the past century. Corals like it hot and grow faster in warmer water.

    Ignoring evidence of the obvious good condition of the reef is not the least of the problems with this IUCN report. It also uses evidence that is patently false. For example, the report claims that coal dust blowing from ship-loading facilities is a risk to the reef, which is 100-1000km from the ports. This ridiculous claim is based on a report that was discredited by unquestioned experts on this subject, Dr Simon Apte and other scientists from the CSIRO, who showed that the results were in error by 3000 per cent. It is also highly doubtful that the original scientists were actually measuring coal dust. They were measuring poly-aromatic hydrocarbons, which are common, naturally occurring molecules not specific to coal.

    It is not surprising that the IUCN report made the error of using this discredited coal dust report. Other major Australian reports on the reef also quote it. It is notable that when Apte tried to get the scientific journal and the Australian Institute of Marine science, which was responsible for the coal dust data, to correct the mistake, they refused to do anything. The science institutions have become untrustworthy.

    The IUCN makes other equally scandalous mistakes. It claims that agricultural pollution is a problem despite all the measurements showing concentrations of pesticides so low they are generally undetectable with the most sensitive scientific equipment. The effect of mud washed from farms is equally negligible.

    The fundamental problem with the IUCN report is that it is based upon scientific evidence that is poorly quality assured. The scientific foundations are rotten and none of the science organisations want to remedy the problem — partly because the science organisations, and the IUCN, stopped being scientific long ago. They have recognised their political power. We must recognise they have become political.

    Until genuine quality assurance measures can be put in place at the reef science institutions, the problem of untrustworthy scientific evidence, reported and repeated ad nauseam, will continue. The only good news is that the next IUCN report on the reef in 2023 will not be worse than “critical” because this seems to be the worst category they have.

    I was on an inshore reef a couple of days ago. It was brilliant, so if this is as bad as it can get, I am not too concerned. Come and have a look for yourself.

    Peter Ridd has worked for 35 years on reef research and is author of the new book Reef Heresy?

    Oz print edition

  184. Top Ender says:

    So collective punishment is not normally used in the ADF these days?

    It is but in a rational way. For example, Navy people are told that saving the ship is more important than saving oneself. Many naval evolutions are only possible if the team performs: for example gunnery duties in WWII warships, or launching depth charges.

    The group punishment proposed by the ADF at present is irrational.

  185. thefrollickingmole says:

    Morrison will have trouser-filling meltdown…”

    Otherwise known as “the full Nadler”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6spQiz5bmo

  186. Top Ender says:

    Left anoints itself nation’s only true religion
    NICK CATER

    Two hundred years after governor Lachlan Macquarie sanctioned the arrival of the colony’s first Catholic priests, Australia faces a new wave of sectarian intolerance.

    The arrival of Father John Terry and Father Philip Connolly in 1820 marked the birth of a secular state. Today the move is on to anoint the dreary godless philosophy of the intellectual left Australia’s only true religion, a group united in enmity towards supposed apostates such as Margaret Court.

    Five years ago, Court’s interpretation of marriage would have been unexceptional. Today she is vilified, her sporting achievements disrespected and honest convictions considered so unacceptable they cannot be uttered. Court has endured a spiteful campaign. Martina Navratilova, John McEnroe and Andy Murray have joined the guiltless gaggle of virtue signallers demanding that her name be removed from the Margaret Court Arena.

    Lotterywest, a wholly owned subsidiary of the WA state government, has refused an application from Court’s church, Victory Life, for a grant to purchase a freezer truck to deliver food to the poor. “It is the sole reason it was knocked back, because the board didn’t like her personal views on same-sex marriage,” a former Lotterywest employer told 6PR last month.

    The leaders of the same-sex marriage campaign vociferously denied that the 2017 plebiscite was a threat to religious freedom. And yet that is what it has become. The goal of same-sex marriage having been achieved, the object now appears to be to crush all opposition.

    For activists such as Roz Ward, the marriage campaign was part of a larger strategy. “It will only be through a revitalised class struggle and revolutionary change that we can hope for the liberation of LGBTI people,” she said.

    The dispute about the legal definition of marriage was settled in a relatively civilised manner. Accusations of homophobia and hate speech levelled against Christians should be seen for what they are, trumped-up charges designed to extinguish resistance in a wider sectarian battle.

    Like the false allegation against Cardinal George Pell, the purpose of the charges is to heap humiliation and shame upon the conservative religions that form obstacles on the road to victory.

    We should not be surprised that the war against religious conservatives, Catholics in particular, is waged most forcefully by the ABC, a bastion of the godless orthodoxy that has become the universal dogma of the intellectual left.

    The response to Scott Morrison’s open declaration of faith on the national broadcaster has ranged from bewilderment to foul-mouthed mockery. That elitist hostility is not shared by most voters. Eight of the nine federal elections since 1996 has been won by leaders who have openly declared their faith.

    Yet the campaign to exclude religion from the public square is intensifying. Katrina Tait’s hate crime was to sign an online petition promoted by the Australian Christian Lobby objecting to the staging of a children’s event called Drag Queen Story Time in local Brisbane public libraries.

    For this, Tait was subjected to five months of hell under NSW Anti-Discrimination Law after a complaint was lodged by a serial applicant known for making trivial and vexatious accusations. After an unnecessarily long procedure, the case was dropped.

    Wedding photographer Jason Tey made a point of telling samesex couples that he disagreed with same-sex marriage on faith grounds but never refused service. His trouble began in 2018 when a same-sex couple complained to the Western Australian Equal Opportunity Commission. It was the beginning of seven months of anxiety and stress for Jason and his family before the complaint was withdrawn.

    The number of complaints made against Christians for trivial actions is rising in every kangaroo court prepared to accept them.

    A student was accused of creating an unsafe environment for offering to pray with a fellow student who was feeling stressed. He was told by the university that he would be physically removed from the campus if he set foot on it while his suspension was active. After months of torture, the university dropped the charges.

    A Christian couple in Perth, Byron and Keira Hordyk, is appealing against a ban preventing them from fostering young children on the basis of their faith principles.

    In March, the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal confirmed the suspension of Dr Jereth Kok, a Victorian family doctor with more than 15 years of experience and an unblemished record of medical practice. Kok’s offence was the expression of conservative Christian views on transgenderism and abortion on social media.

    The religious freedom reforms before parliament are long overdue. The reforms will offer protection and avenues of appeal for those who face discrimination on the basis of religious belief or activity in specified areas of public life.

    As ever, the best protection against the mob is the courage of good people who refuse to be cowed into silence by the intimidatory tactics of the new theocrats and are willing to stand and be counted among the defenders of a pluralist society.

    Nick Cater is executive director of Menzies Research Centre

    Oz print edition

  187. Knuckle Dragger says:

    ‘And the main tyrant’

    Vetted, cut and pasted, and forwarded to all Approved MPs.

    Forever and ever. Amen.

  188. BrettW says:

    I see Credlin has been triggering Struth again. She has done more to hold Andrews to account than any so called journalist apart from Rachel from the Oz.

    Still not good enough for Struth. One can only conclude he simply does not like strong women because there are plenty of other so called journalists who could be called to account. If only she had not let down Struth’s truck tyres when he led the convoy to Canberra.

  189. Some History says:

    1 minute video

    Candace Owens labels AOC a ‘spoiled rotten brat’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGpXbLoLLI

  190. Knuckle Dragger says:

    ‘led the convoy’

    No no.

    Twas a ‘vanguard of cartes’.

  191. DrBeauGan says:

    “drbeaugan
    #3682202, posted on December 7, 2020 at 2:02 pm”

    Agree Dr BG. I’m still a big fan of Murray.

    Yes, #metoo. He’s a cool guy, and given to thinking about things. In the case of Trump though, he needs to look at a huge amount of context. He’s been a bit lazy there.

  192. rickw says:

    Somewhere in Beijing: “Hey, Wong, I bet if we tweet Austraya starting Wuflu stupid flucker Morrison will have trouser-filling meltdown…”

    Those funny Chicoms! Such fucking wankers!

    Maybe slomo should call Xi a wanker and leave them to work it out.

  193. Bruce in WA says:

    Hallelujah — Premier McClown has decided to let those t’othersiders (Vic and NSW) into WA without the need to self-isolate for 14 days. We get to see our daughter without having her locked away down the back section of our house.

  194. Bruce in WA says:

    Maybe slomo should call Xi a wanker and leave them to work it out.

    Call him an “owner–operator” and make it just that little bit more difficult for them.

  195. Clam Chowdah says:

    I would not be worried if Trump declared martial law and started arresting various demorats, and a few rinos; because I trust Trump.

    Alrightey then.

  196. Candace Owens labels AOC a ‘spoiled rotten brat’

    Candace Owens is correct.

  197. Candace Owens labels AOC a ‘spoiled rotten brat’

    Candace Owens is correct.
    Partially correct, a series of double shifts as a waitress isn’t for the faint hearted.
    However it’s not the toughest job around, not by a long shot.

    AOC would be correct, the Republicans slinging off at AOC for having been a waitress would be those who’ve had a free ride to the top (political caste – we’ve plenty here in Oz in the LNP cut from the same mould)
    However there’d be more in the D’rat party who’d hold waitresses in utter disdain – though since the arrival of AOC they’d be keeping a tad more mum about their opinion of those who (ugh) work for a living.

  198. Arky says:

    The primary fault in Douglas Murray’s analysis of Trump

    ..
    Murray is another lefty, traditional liberal type.
    These types still want all the left stuff like abortion, public fisting, free money for sitting around shooting up heroin, granny killing, etc etc etc, they just are a bit taken aback by how far and fast things have gone recently and have realised the choice as a public person is total submission to lefty ideology and maybe death later, or speaking their minds and the conservative majority they always hated will somehow come to the rescue of Western civilisation, AGAIN.
    Don’t think so bucko.
    We’re just as shit scared as you, only we don’t have man sex as cover and protection from the insane left’s wrath.

  199. Mother Lode says:

    Partially correct, a series of double shifts as a waitress isn’t for the faint hearted.
    However it’s not the toughest job around, not by a long shot.

    I wonder if she insisted upon her socialist principles when they divvied up the tips at the end of the night, or apportioning change among customers.

    “You don’t need as much change as she does!”

  200. Top Ender says:

    Teachers in San Diego are forced to attend ‘white privilege’ training where they are told they’re racist and asked to commit to becoming ‘anti-racist’ activists

    Training is mandatory for all teachers within San Diego Unified School District

    The teachers are reportedly asked to discuss how they would feel if they are called racist and asked to acknowledge that they meet on land stolen

    Teachers are also reportedly asked to commit to becoming ‘anti racist’ activists

    Daily Mail

  201. I wonder if she insisted upon her socialist principles when they divvied up the tips at the end of the night.

    That’s always the funny part.
    Watching the committed socialists surreptitiously trouser a hefty tip.

  202. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    45th anniversary of the Indon invasion of East Timor. Ooookaaaay..

  203. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    T.E.

    Many naval evolutions are only possible if the team performs

    I didn’t say it earlier, but I had understood that collective punishment during training serves as a substitute for the team capture or killing which may happen in battle if one person becomes the weakest link in a manoeuvre that requires each to do their part efficaciously at the right time. So aside from being within the rules, it has a consequentialist ethics justification too, as long as the planning horizon is extended far into some notional bad future.
    I guess the decision to use it is based on “would this error be a big deal if we weren’t playing around?”

    Which only makes the punishment in this case all the more puzzling. Because my understanding is they really were at war, it was not a training exercise, and it was considered precautionary compared to the alternative (of ambush) that had already played out in other villages.
    Having decided to send the SAS, we should not blame them for doing what they were trained to do. If CoA wants its agents to act like a civil police force, send the AFP, don’t send soldiers. This was always going to be the problem when using the military to prosecute terrorists (a blended threat in the lingo), which is normally done by police detectives everywhere else. This was obvious and normal up until 2001, after which things got a bit crazy.

  204. cohenite says:

    Some History
    #3682260, posted on December 7, 2020 at 2:51 pm
    1 minute video

    Candace Owens labels AOC a ‘spoiled rotten brat’

    Candace on a joint ticket with one of the Trump ladies would be a good deal.

  205. bespoke says:

    Candace on a joint ticket with one of the Trump ladies

    Trump Jnr maybe but the girls! That’s nuts.

  206. cohenite says:

    Alrightey then.

    Let me put it in context clammy: that’s what we’re going to get when they glue joe’s carcass to the Resolute Desk. Only in reverse.

  207. JC says:

    AOC would be correct, the Republicans slinging off at AOC for having been a waitress would be those who’ve had a free ride to the top (political caste – we’ve plenty here in Oz in the LNP cut from the same mould)
    However there’d be more in the D’rat party who’d hold waitresses in utter disdain – though since the arrival of AOC they’d be keeping a tad more mum about their opinion of those who (ugh) work for a living.

    That’s not the point the GOP is making, you idiot. The GOP is suggesting that someone with no serious claim to fame ( you don’t require a doctorate in chemical engineering to stand behind a bar) is peddling bullshit like the green new deal and other associated nonsense that would amount to/ cost 100 trillion dollars over a period of 10 years.
    And yes, she should have stuck to waitressing as she would make more of a contribution.

  208. Top Ender says:

    Talk about narcissistic privileged shallow numpties!

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are set to launch a set of awards to rival the Queen’s honours list.

    The Duke and Duchess of Sussex – who currently reside in an £11million mansion in California – will award individuals, charities and companies they feel champion their favourite causes.

    The awards will run alongside the Queen’s own gongs – which include Knighthoods, CBEs, OBEs and MBEs.

    Daily Mail

  209. egg_ says:

    they just are a bit taken aback by how far and fast things have gone recently and have realised the choice as a public person is total submission to lefty ideology and maybe death later, or speaking their minds and the conservative majority they always hated will somehow come to the rescue of Western civilisation, AGAIN.

    I.e. moral cowards.

    Quelle surprise!

  210. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I bags being a Knight of the Order of the Little Raindrop.

  211. Geriatric Mayfly says:

    The Duke and Duchess of Sussex – who currently reside in an £11million mansion in California – will award individuals, charities and companies they feel champion their favourite causes.

    OR – The Order of the Raindrop will take precedence over all others.

  212. Roger says:

    The primary fault in Douglas Murray’s analysis of Trump is that he doesn’t grasp the enormity of the challenge to the liberal worldview that is taking place in the Anglosphere. We’ve been losing freedom of speech for decades now.

    I wouldn’t write Murray off on the basis of one interview. He is a director of the UK Free Speech Union and the “controversial” views expressed in his books and columns have seen him receive death threats that police took seriously enough to warn him not to appear in public. His columns at Unherd, where he has defended Trump against the allegations of the Left, are seminal reading. There – already in October – he had drawn attention to the efforts of Big Tech to fix the US election.

  213. Rockdoctor says:

    Zulu, Wikipedia may not be a good source but this is fairly fair to the foreign affairs movements in 1975. I have been to Dili, underdeveloped is an understatement.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor

  214. DrBeauGan says:

    Murray is another lefty, traditional liberal type.

    Arky, this collectivist non-thinking doesn’t become you.

  215. Leigh Lowe says:

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3682262, posted on December 7, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    ‘led the convoy’

    No no.

    Twas a ‘vanguard of cartes’.

    I don’t mean to nit-pick but I think St Ruth was “in the vanguard of the cavalcade of cartes”.

  216. egg_ says:

    The Duke and Duchess of Sussex – who currently reside in an £11million mansion in California – will award individuals, charities and companies they feel champion their favourite causes.

    OR – The Order of the Raindrop will take precedence over all others.

    Rainbow dildoes for charity.

    /Salty Cracker

  217. rickw says:

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are set to launch a set of awards to rival the Queen’s honours list.

    This stupid bitch still being alive proves that the Windsors didn’t kill the dopey bimbo Diana!

  218. Leigh Lowe says:

    BrettW

    #3682258, posted on December 7, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    I see Credlin has been triggering Struth again. She has done more to hold Andrews to account than any so called journalist apart from Rachel from the Oz.

    Still not good enough for Struth.

    I think St Ruth thinks anything short of Credlin standing up in the presser and shouting “Arrest that man!” is a cop-out.
    And, of course, she must mention the Three T’s – Tyranny, Treason and Totalitarianism.
    But we can’t be absolutely sure because, once again, we don’t actually hear precisely what she should do.
    Just another 500 words of homespun bluster about what she has done wrong.

  219. Speedbox says:

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3682328, posted on December 7, 2020 at 4:06 pm
    I bags being a Knight of the Order of the Little Raindrop.

    As Grand(est) Duke of the Order, I bestow(ith) a Knighthood unto thee. If thou(st) is ungrateful with scorn, thou(st) is challenge(d) to joust for my(eth) honour has be(ist) besmirched.
    ———————-

    For some reason that was hard to write. My ‘medieval’ english needs polish.

  220. Top Ender says:

    Harry and Meg’s New Order of Gongs is going to be an irresistible target for lampooners everywhere.

  221. Leigh Lowe says:

    Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are set to launch a set of awards to rival the Queen’s honours list.

    Fucking spare me.
    What tossers.
    I also note in the report a number of people who have made a grand show of refusing to accept an MBE/OBE.
    Here’s the thing.
    Recipients of gongs are sounded out, particularly if there might be a sensitivity. If they refuse, the nomination is quietly binned and no-one speaks of it again.
    So, what it means is that the refuseniks initially accepted the offer, then made a big deal out of publicly knocking it back when it was formalised.
    Attention seeking dickheads.

  222. calli says:

    This stupid bitch still being alive proves that the Windsors didn’t kill the dopey bimbo Diana!

    Fair comment.

    I understand the Queen will be one of the first to receive the Pfizer vacc, and the other royals in short order.

    There may be a pathway to the crown after all.

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Joe Biden could start his own gongs too.

    Knight of the
    Order of the Hairy Legs would best the Garter any day.

    MBE – Member of Beatified Enervates would be a front runner too.

    OMI – Order of Mumbling Incontinents may be less popular but would suit some

    It will be a giveaway to get the FSMA – the Free Stuff Medal of America

  224. Mark A says:

    Speedbox
    #3682360, posted on December 7, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3682328, posted on December 7, 2020 at 4:06 pm
    I bags being a Knight of the Order of the Little Raindrop.

    As Grand(est) Duke of the Order, I bestow(ith) a Knighthood unto thee. If thou(st) is ungrateful with scorn, thou(st) is challenge(d) to joust for my(eth) honour has be(ist) besmirched.
    ———————-

    For some reason that was hard to write. My ‘medieval’ english needs polish.

    Why?
    It sounds Polish already.

  225. Mark A says:

    Did You Know?

    There are very few words in the English language that have a gender differentiation; the most prominent of them all is blond (a man with gold colored hair) and blonde (a woman with gold colored hair).

  226. Mark A says:

    A bit of nonsense

    The new priest is nervous about hearing confessions, so he asks the older priest to sit in on his sessions. After he hears a couple of confessions, the old priest asks him to step out of the confessional for a few suggestions.

    The old priest suggests, “Cross you arms over your chest, and rub your chin with one hand.” The new priest tries this.
    The old priest suggests, “Try saying things like, ‘I see, yes, go on’, and “I understand. How did you feel about that?”
    The new priest repeats.
    The old priest says, “Now, don’t you think that’s a little better than slapping your knee and saying ‘No shit?!? What happened next?”

  227. egg_ says:

    narcissistic privileged shallow numpties… who currently reside in an £11million mansion in California – will award individuals, charities and companies they feel champion their favourite causes.

    Grrl Power! wymminses striking a blow wymminseshood!

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