Resisting the new feudalism

To my astonishment I have just watched a segment on Nine News about the Georgia election fraud which was straight down the line. They have probably not got around to mentioning the other states where fraud was almost equally evident since it is hard to argue with actual video footage of fake ballots being pulled from under a table. Nevertheless, there are people like LIQ who are partisan to such an extent that they are prepared to subvert democratic processes to get their candidate up. I don’t really know what to make of a mentality that can even as late in the day as this write such a vacuous piece as It’s over – Biden won fair and square. What remains fascinating is that such people exist, and in large numbers too. As is typical of such arguments, it is all generalisation with no specifics other than the usual boilerplate:

His behaviour since the election has been nothing short of scandalous. trying to tear the country apart and grossly mismanaging the coronavirus pandemic, leading to massive deaths and human misery.

I find it interesting that in this “post-election” environment, part of the approach taken by the Republicans is to remind people what a Biden presidency will look like, with CurrencyLad’s Biden’s first order of business: letting men into girls’ toilets a perfect example. There is also this which I have just come across: Trump team capitalizes on new report about small biz pessimism after November election, and there’s plenty more where that came from. Only now are many Americans waking up to just how bad a Biden presidency would be. It will be even worse than they can imagine, but at least there is a growing understanding of where things will end up.

That a proportion even among the Republican Party is content to let Biden become president even through obvious fraud is part of what is so depressing. But it won’t be over until the Supreme Court makes a decision one way or the other. The sheer anti-democratic anti-freedom idiocy of turning a blind eye to unmistakeable election fraud because you would prefer a different result from the actual one demonstrates a totalitarian mindset that if allowed to succeed will turn the West into the new feudalism. That is what The Great Reset is trying to achieve on behalf of incompetent bureaucratic elites who are filled with stupid socialist centrally-determined plans but have no idea why we have been able to create prosperity beyond anything that has ever before been achieved.

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197 Responses to Resisting the new feudalism

  1. thefrollickingmole

    If your ideas are so good you either cant explain the benefits of them to convince a majority of people to join in, or you need to resort to fraud, collusion and “work around” democratic checks and balances then there is a distinct possibility the “good” idea is actually shit.

  2. stackja

    Dems assume you can fool enough to get elected with a little help from their friends.
    MSM are a joke.

  3. Professor Fred Lenin

    If the democrims get away with this blatant arrogant fraud ,Trump was the last properly elected in the US A in 2016. Everybelected office will be filled by fraudulent votes ,the democrims will be like the Vinese Communist government, and the EU , unelected scum. Even the city dogcstcher will be elected by fraud ,a democrim of course .

  4. incoherent rambler

    Thank you Steve.
    Disgust usually prevents me from responding to Luscious like articles.

  5. min

    Two bright young reporters attending the rally in Georgia said “ We have the MSM , Hollywood and the Dems against us but we have the Constitution . “
    December the 18 th is 45 days after the election so Trump can invoke the 2018 EO and last via Tom ‘ s toons , 2021 was the year Mad Max was defeating the baddies .

  6. Texas Jack

    Ignoring LIQ, there are some positives emerging despite the smorgasbord of voting irregularities and the lack of MSM interest in what Rudy is saying. I’ll be far more optimistic if the GOP win the Georgia run-offs of course – and I suspect Trump’s recent actions are more about holding the senate than attempting to try and pull some last minute rabbits out of a SCOTUS hat.

    Firstly, assuming the senate is held, Biden’s health becomes the wafer-thin margin between a hopeless fool who can’t do much of any great consequence and a Californian progressive who people will start to realise might try. The more Harris opens her silly trap in close proximity to the Oval Office the better. I say let the lady speak!!

    Secondly, Biden immediately turned to the usual assortment of swamp-creatures in building his cabinet. Many who simply voted against Trump will be feeling a keen sense of buyers remorse, and early. Biden promising to bring back the band that played such agonising tunes during Obama’s second term should be music to conservative ears. I say let ‘em play.

    Thirdly, the sense of outrage at the behind-the-scenes Democrat efforts to rig the ballot won’t be lost in GOP circles whether among the grandees or out in Trump Land. They’ll be seething. This is crucial because a) they’ll be galvanised to prevent this occurring ever again, and b) seething is good if you want to keep your base motivated. I say tick that box and keep them seething!

    And finally, Trump demonstrated that conservatives don’t have to have their head firmly up CNN’s @rse to be electorally competitive. If Biden can’t do much (given an obstructionist senate and a limp Dimmocrat near-hung House) we have every reason to look forward to 2024 with or without The Donald.

    So stop all the moaning and cheer the f—k up. The Dimms didn’t win very much and The Donald has sown more valuable conservative seeds than ten Bush’s. That they may take hold is good enough for me.

  7. Daily llama

    Good comments TJ. I just hope we survive 4 years. On that I’m not confident.

  8. ProEng

    It should be pointed out more that the President of USA and the PM in Oz have no responsibility for the treatment or containment of the covid-19 virus. Andrews in Victoria with the socialist health officials Sutton and Van Diemen are responsible for the deaths of over 800 mainly elder persons. In New York it is the Governor of the New York State (Cuomo) and the mayor of New York city who are responsible for 10’s of thousands of deaths. The same applies to the Governor of California. Australia and USA are federations where all the responsibility for health, welfare and policing belong to the states. The same applies in Germany and in Switzerland. Biden talks rubbish. He can have no influence in health matters over the states. maybe he can persuade Demorat states into ruining their economy and killing more citizens but he will have no say in Republic states like Texas.

  9. maree

    I have voted in every Australian election in my adult life, and have been a scrutineer at several. Shaking my head at the leeway of fraud in US elections. It’s bad enough to “vote early, vote often,” and “raise the dead” in Labor, but it’s limited here. US elections are a whole new universe of voter fraud.

  10. The Biden supporting leftards can’t see outside of their echo chamber …….. The tears will flow shortly as Orange Man finally plays his Trump Card .

  11. yarpos

    If Trump prevails, it will be 4 years of liberal “stolen election” thrashing , even though they were the ones attempting theft, they will be stridently self righteous and no doubt violent.

    If Biden prevails the US is done as they will own the corrupted voting system and can dispense with any pesky residue in the House and Senate.

    Either way the US will be struggling internally for the next 5-10 years. Great for the CCP, not so much anyone else.

  12. chrism

    Kelly v Pennsylvania may surprise on the upside but after the 9th (?)
    It has certainly been the best watching of 2020 :
    people were ready with razor blades at their wrists after 800 mornings with Dan
    and his shifty evasions and double-speak and faux ‘independent’ investigator Coate
    lining the pockets of the lawyerly caste by their appearing for EVERY department separately

    and the “I don’t know”s
    I’m gonna plead the ‘Dan’ on that one

    has he even had anyone out burning stuff to prevent bushfires?
    did Covid cause burning-interruptus?

    Go J Kelly ! and keep your hair on Rudy
    we’re getting to the pointy end

  13. Daily llama

    Here’s what I don’t get.
    You wouldn’t make such an offer if you already have the proof. Yet Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick offered $1 million for evidence of electoral fraud 3 weeks ago and there’s been no takers.
    20-odd years ago, I had friends who maintained their father could divine water. I pointed out the Australian Skeptics society had a $100,000 offer to anyone who could prove any paranormal activity, and I suggested we go for it. Of course, they demurred. (It’s still unclaimed)
    Like the moon landings and 9/11, were such things faked, it would involve such a huge number of people it would always be exposed. So many Cats maintain this alleged fraud as been in the making for a long time, echoing Trump. He knew most non-Trump voters would do so by mail, so it was HIM that planted this ‘we wuz robbed’ seed. Again and again I’ve pondered- if this is a fraud job, why are a lot of respectable GOP people risking their lives by stating they find no evidence of the fraud? Every time I follow a link posted by other Cats supposedly ‘proving’ this giant fraud, they turn out to be nonsense. Where is the incontrovertible evidence…where?
    As for SCOTUS, in the US, elections are conducted on a state basis. I’m not sure a pathway exists for a case to be made there.

  14. Michel Lasouris

    Well said,Sir!

    “”incompetent bureaucratic elites who are filled with stupid socialist centrally-determined plans but have no idea why we have been able to create prosperity beyond anything that has ever before been achieved.””

    Resisting the new feudalism
    Posted on 9:48 am, December 6, 2020 by Steve Kates

  15. Eyrie

    It’s bad enough to “vote early, vote often,” and “raise the dead” in Labor, but it’s limited here.

    How about those “missing” votes in the 2013 Senate election in WA, Maree? Stymied Abbott for months when the only possible change to the outcome was which one of the shrapnel parties got a seat.

  16. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681176, posted on December 6, 2020 at 10:50 am
    Good comments TJ. I just hope we survive 4 years. On that I’m not confident.”

    Indeed Texas Jack’s comment was good…..unlike any of the sanctimonious drivel you’ve posted. And this is the outcome you wanted Daily Slime…Orange Man gone. Slime, you really need to stop pretending to be a conservative because you’re not very good at it. Most of us here can see through your ham act.

  17. Daily llama

    Perhaps you could address the questions?

  18. Arky

    The sheer anti-democratic anti-freedom idiocy of turning a blind eye to unmistakeable election fraud because you would prefer a different result from the actual one demonstrates a totalitarian mindset

    ..
    In the current media landscape there is enough bits among the exploded wreckage to cobble together any narrative you like.
    The problem is, the big media outlets that used to be at least a bit centrist have moved click- bait-y AND partisan.
    Partisan itself isn’t a huge problem.
    Silly click bait by itself isn’t a problem.
    The two together are toxic to democracy. When both sides are doing it in an escalating war, I suspect it laying the groundwork for something terrible.
    Remember that genocide in Rwanda? It was ginned up by radio DJs.
    Unless some of the institutions that own chunks of media start putting in place real standards for quality journalism, we are in real danger.
    Reporting on fact. Having a neutral demeanour (no grimacing when the candidate you dislike comes on), right of reply, no badgering, separation of commentary from reporting, objectivity, fairness.

  19. Rob MW

    Look Steve, Biden is quite obviously the greatest political mastermind and electioneer western democracies have ever seen, or are likely to ever see. Winning the U.S presidency without doing anything in the way of meaningful electioneering, by just riding it out at home in his basement and when daring to adventure outside, preaching to enough supporters that can be counted on one hand and turning up to a couple of supportive discussions masquerading as debates, moderated by sniffling hacks, is the work of an absolute political genius, no question.

    There is nothing to see here except that, if anyone believes this then they have an extremely low IQ.

    Hoorah for Biden, a genius of our times !

    H/T – China Ballot Printing Services: dedicated to western civilization.

  20. Arky

    Until the public AND media proprietors value truth over sensation, this will get worse.
    Until the public AND media proprietor value reporting over barracking for a side, this will get worse.
    Those allowing it to get worse should understand the terminus is a fracture.

  21. Cassie of Sydney

    Unlike Daily Slime, most of us here understood why Trump ran and why he won in 2016. He was the only candidate who had the tenacity to go up against the ticket that is the MSM, CNN, the Clinton Crime Family, social media sewers and all the rest of the swamp. he had the cojones to win…and win he did. How did he win? Trump was and is a barbarian and he throws the muck back. Nobody had done that before Trump. The GOP establishment ran two fine candidates in 2008 and 2012, both of whom were career politicians and yet both were torn to shreds during their respective campaigns by a vicious MSM and various progressive elites. Bill Maher understood this on election eve back in 2016….when he said that perhaps the left are going to reap what they sow in the candidate that is Donald Trump. Maher was right….at least he was able to analyse and understand why Trump was the end result of an aloof, corrupt and far-left Obama administration and a lying MSM who run cover for any leftist politician. Of course that same corrupt lying MSM and swamp creatures have learnt nothing in the last four years, instead they’ve doubled down.

    And of course it is no different here in Oz. We’ve seen the decent Tony Abbott smeared and mauled by the progressive MSM (which is most of the media), social media sewers and various elitist skanks…all for biting into an onion or speaking truth about something or other. Abbott was always dignified and polite in the face of such nastiness. He never fought back and for being so decent he was rewarded with one of the most vile and vicious election campaigns in Australian history…FFS, his lesbian sister, campaigning for him last year, was spat on. We see the progressive far-left MSM and social media sewers running cover for an utterly corrupt lying Andrews’ government in Victoria…and look at what the MSM et al did to Pell…AN INNOCENT MAN. We now have a media with no interest in truth….they only want to parrot a certain narrative.

    Spare me dignity and spare me politeness. I’ll take Donald Trump any day…at least he fights.

  22. Cassie of Sydney

    Arky has nailed it.

  23. Herodotus

    Trump has been performing in Georgia, and doing a great job.
    If the courts and legislatures don’t do their job I’d have to agree with Mike Flynn.

  24. Chris M

    It’s bad enough to “vote early, vote often,” and “raise the dead” in Labor, but it’s limited here

    Well I’d say it doesn’t matter so much here in Australia maree – weird preferential voting system that goes to two parties close enough to the same as as other it makes scant difference. It’s like they share the same office space. And here you vote for the party, not the person. The party gets to decide the persons – who they are, what they can do and how long they will be around.

    Globally things are picking up speed now, I don’t see many years left in this.

  25. Karabar

    In December 50 BC Julius Ceasar faced hostility in Rome and certain litigation if he returned to Rome.
    In January 49 BC he made a decision to cross the Rubicon, which was a no-no in those days.
    But rather than face ruin and possibly death he dook his army across the river, and the result was nothing less than a civil war.
    An article I read the other day suggested that the Donald take Lt. General Flynn’s advise and declare martial law, suspending the Consitution, and have the military oversee a new election with strict adherence to rules of no ID no vote, serious penalties on conviction of fraud, etc. in a manner crossing the Rubicon.
    This is the “nuclear option, and he has every right to do it under the Militia Act and the Insurrection Act, without even asking anone’s opinion.
    IMHO it might be the only thing to save the Republic, and it was in 50 BC. If backs are turned on this blatant coup, the USA is Kapootski.

  26. Lee

    Spare me dignity and spare me politeness. I’ll take Donald Trump any day…at least he fights.

    Cassie, many conservatives and centre-rightists believe they can survive and even win by being Mr Nice Guy.
    It hasn’t and won’t work against an unprincipled and anything-it-takes Left.
    Instead, they will walk all over us, and not give a damn who is hurt.

  27. PB

    “MSM are a joke.”

    Far from being a joke, they were central to the implementation, if not part of the planning.

  28. Grip

    Actually folks, the problem is that the Right wing grievance media, Limbaugh, Fox News, Levin and a myriad of others (who have made good profits from it) have sold you you a drug that you’re now finding inadequate.. Hence the need to hit the harder stuff, Newsmax, OAN,, cancelling subs to the Australian.

    If the bandwidth of media and commentary you find acceptable is becoming increasingly narrow, and you find friends and family increasing not able to talk to you about politics, or at all, the problem is more likely with you than the media generally.

    You have followed a cult like path to an incredibly narrow world view.

    More people should tell you this bluntly.

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lee
    #3681334, posted on December 6, 2020 at 1:06 pm
    Spare me dignity and spare me politeness. I’ll take Donald Trump any day…at least he fights.

    Cassie, many conservatives and centre-rightists believe they can survive and even win by being Mr Nice Guy.
    It hasn’t and won’t work against an unprincipled and anything-it-takes Left.
    Instead, they will walk all over us, and not give a damn who is hurt.”

    Exactly Lee.

  30. Dot

    Grip

    Take your hand off it.

    Fox ain’t right wing anymore.
    Trump gets criticised here all the time ( I am fairly critical), even if you can’t penetrate the pro Trump tyre pumping from Gunner.

    Here’s the thing. Biden is senile and should not be near nukes. The voter fraud is voluminous and historically significant.

  31. Terry

    Daily llama
    #3681266, posted on December 6, 2020 at 12:02 pm
    ‘As for SCOTUS, in the US, elections are conducted on a state basis. I’m not sure a pathway exists for a case to be made there.’

    Rubbish. Where it applies to the Presidency, SCOTUS has an interest. Whether they choose to uphold the US Constitution or succumb to the politics of the time and squib their responsibility is an unknown (but not for much longer). Their decision will determine if the 2nd Revolution gets “hot”.

    In any case, “Fraud” is the 3rd order issue. It is subservient to:
    1st Order: Unconstitutional acceptance of illegal ballots into the vote tallies; and
    2nd Order: Equal Protection.

    Neither of these requires any fraud to be proved, or even alleged.

    The fraud aspect has a different target (or two actually):
    1. The State Legislatures; and
    2. The voters (to legitimacy and to place pressure on #1 above)

    Of course, it is all intertwined amongst a multi-front assault, but Leftards believing they are safe from SCOTUS because they “believe” (ie protest too much) that there is no fraud, no widespread fraud, no fraud that will make a difference to the result, is a mistake I happy for them to continue to make.

  32. Cassie of Sydney

    “You have followed a cult like path to an incredibly narrow world view.”

    I’m so glad you’ve defined leftist progressivism. Thanks Gripe…you do have your uses.

  33. Terry

    Grip
    #3681341, posted on December 6, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    Getta, get your hand off it.
    Save your exhibition for the zoom calls.

  34. C.L.

    A good example of media corruption just heard on ABC radio news.
    The news reader was talking about Trump’s latest speech:

    The President continued to make baseless claims of election fraud…”

    Bear in mind that this was that most sober of platforms: straight, radio news.
    But that right there is an editorial.

    The ABC has evidently instructed all of its copy writers to follow Dorsey’s lead and insert subjective judgment into newscasts. It actually shocks when you hear it being read.

    This was never done over the past four years when every weird, wacko and preposterous lie was told against, and about, Trump. When all of those (false) claims – dozens of them – were being made, they were reported/announced as straight news.

  35. Steve trickler

    Ask yourself. What were you thinking one week ago? It is a mess. Trump has now escalated.

    So much evidence of fraud is stacking up on the table, it is starting to bend. Sit back and watch the show.

    —–



  36. Arky

    When all of those (false) claims – dozens of them – were being made, they were reported/announced as straight news.

    ..
    It’s a difference that seems to have gone over a lot of peoples heads.
    The difference between saying: “Democrat spokesman such and such say the President continues to make baseless claims of election fraud…”.
    And: “The President continues to make baseless claims of election fraud”.
    There is a massive difference between accurately reporting what each side says, and in responding to Trump by taking up the democrat points.
    The first time it happened producers should have been sacked and on air talent reprimanded or sacked depending on their involvement.

  37. thefrollickingmole

    Reporting on fact. Having a neutral demeanour (no grimacing when the candidate you dislike comes on), right of reply, no badgering, separation of commentary from reporting, objectivity, fairness.

    I dont think their quality or objectiveness has changed, I think they had the common sense to pretend the positive qualities you are talking about.

    Quiz: What decade of TV and what TV show had the first gay male couple on prime time TV in the USA?

    The normalization of the fringe has been a very long project.

    CL
    The President continued to make baseless claims of election fraud…”

    Bear in mind that this was that most sober of platforms: straight, radio news.
    But that right there is an editorial.

    A few days ago in the afternoon news the ABC fitted in 4 “debunkeds” before playing a 10 second grab of a Trump speech.

  38. Daily llama

    It’s pointless Gripo. Some Cats seem to lack the acuity to understand that one can worry about Trump and not be some sort of baby eating communist succubus. Disliking Trump does not automatically make someone a non conservative. Unfortunately, believing something long enough doesn’t make it happen. But to accept that as fact would make them question their reality. No, I do not think Biden and the Dems are a good deal. I’ve said this often- whether Trump or the other mob won, America is in trouble, therefore, so are we. I have children, and they have children, so I hope I’m wrong.

  39. Arky

    There is a massive difference between accurately reporting what each side says, and in responding to Trump by taking up the democrat points.
    The first time it happened producers should have been sacked and on air talent reprimanded or sacked depending on their involvement.

    ..
    This is not a partisan point.
    It goes the other way too.
    Of course, there are no examples on the ABC of them responding to a Biden speech with Trump talking points. If they did, it wouldn’t make it any better.
    Report what each side says, straight reporting, and leave the commentary out of the news segment.
    God knows, there is enough scope already to fiddle with people’s perceptions by how you juxtapose each quote, without actively taking up one side.

  40. Cassie of Sydney

    Some Cats seem to lack the acuity to understand that one can worry about Trump and not be some sort of baby eating communist succubus.”

    Don’t flatter yourself Slime. You’re infinitely worse than any “baby eating communist succubus”….you’re a fraud.

  41. Albatross

    Why are trolls here invariably puffed-up, self-regarding mid-wit wind-bags?

  42. Arky

    Disliking Trump does not automatically make someone a non conservative.

    ..
    No.
    It just makes you oblivious of the political realignment that has become obvious to everyone else since at least Brexit.
    Which I suppose you also opposed.

  43. Albatross

    Give me an earnest commo, a militant unionist or an honest-to-god dumbass. Not some wannabe intellekshual faker, please.

  44. Some History

    Deli llama
    #3681379, posted on December 6, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    …so I hope I’m wrong.

    Your hope is not in vain: You are wrong. 🙂

    Isn’t it time for your daily Deli run?

  45. Cassie of Sydney

    “Albatross
    #3681388, posted on December 6, 2020 at 2:16 pm
    Give me an earnest commo, a militant unionist or an honest-to-god dumbass. Not some wannabe intellekshual faker, please.”

    Yep….and at least Monty and Numbers are honest about their politics.

  46. Arky

    Anyone who can overlook the complete and utter disgrace of twenty years of useless wars initiated by fuckwits like Bush, Howard and Blair and then with a straight face excoriate Trump as corrupt or incompetent is a dead set loser.

  47. Cassie of Sydney

    “Anyone who can overlook the complete and utter disgrace of twenty years of useless wars initiated by fuckwits like Bush, Howard and Blair and then with a straight face excoriate Trump as corrupt or incompetent is a dead set loser.

    Liberty quote.

  48. Daily llama

    See what I mean, Gripo? If you disagree, no matter how you express yourself, you are somehow a troll or a fraud. Better to resort to cant than look in the mirror. They don’t comprehend that they’re much better suited to the comments sections of The Guardian or Getup. It wouldn’t tax their mental dexterity so much.

  49. Arky

    Bush and Howard didn’t pull the trigger on our demise, but they loaded the gun, cocked it and handed it to the left.
    And all that mid east crap, war, refugees, loss of civil liberties, expansion of the power of various agencies while ignoring China was a big part of it.

  50. Cassie of Sydney

    ” you are somehow a troll or a fraud”

    Nice you admit it. Well done.

  51. Cassie of Sydney

    “It wouldn’t tax their mental dexterity so much.”

    Such priggery.

  52. Daily llama

    There she goes again- that’s why she’s a broken record. Such a silly woman

  53. miltonf

    Anyone who can overlook the complete and utter disgrace of twenty years of useless wars initiated by fuckwits like Bush, Howard and Blair and then with a straight face excoriate Trump as corrupt or incompetent is a dead set loser. or mindblowingly stupid or wantonly dishonest.

    The Howard legacy looks more and more tatty and threadbare by the day.

    Oh yes, go Trump!

  54. Cassie of Sydney

    “There she goes again- that’s why she’s a broken record. Such a silly woman”

    Ooh and Daily Priggery is a misogynist too.

  55. miltonf

    I don’t like prigs either Cassie. The trolls sound like they belong to the ANU ALP club.

  56. Daily llama

    Well, you ain’t a man, and you are silly. What misogyny?

  57. Daily llama

    Does the ANU still have an ALP club? I’d think the Greens would be as far to the right as was permissible there now.

  58. Some History

    Re: Georgia video

    Montifa was reassuring everyone last night that there’s no fraud. He provided a wonderful insight. Spikes/bumps in votes are not suspicious in the least. They’re due to votes being counted in a “weird way”. Hopefully he’ll provide further detail on these “weird ways” of counting votes.

    Tonight we’re in for a treat. Montifa will explain how running the same ballots through a scanner is also beyond suspicion. Ballots are run through a scanner multiple times to ensure that each ballot gets into the system. In fact, the more times the same ballots are run through the scanner, the higher the likelihood that they’ll all be registered. It ensures that every vote counts.

    We should be grateful to have the advice of such a highly trained… smooth… operator.

    Donut Worry. Be Happy.

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “Well, you ain’t a man, and you are silly. What misogyny?”

    Oh dear Daily Priggery. No I’m not silly, I call you out for the fake and fraud you are. You don’t like it…and clearly you have a problem with a woman criticising you so you’re a misogynist!

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “miltonf
    #3681406, posted on December 6, 2020 at 2:35 pm
    I don’t like prigs either Cassie. The trolls sound like they belong to the ANU ALP club.”

    Daily Priggery isn’t an honest troll…unlike Numbers and unlike Monty.

  61. thefrollickingmole

    They don’t comprehend that they’re much better suited to the comments sections of The Guardian or Getup.

    Except those bastions of free speech censor and remove commenters who disagree with the herd.

    We just call you fuckwits.

  62. Lee

    Grip
    #3681341, posted on December 6, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    Spoken like a true, condescending, up-himself leftist.

  63. Daily llama

    Hmm, interesting. I hate to disappoint, but I don’t dislike your criticism, in fact, quite the opposite, I look forward to it, even though you’re mostly wrong! My wife, my daughters, my granddaughters, and my many female friends don’t find me thus. But you ‘know’. You just ‘know’.

  64. miltonf

    The long and the short of it is Trump wants to govern for all Americans. He wants to improve the lives of low and middle income earners. He has reached out to blacks and latinos with a fair bit of success (eg Florida). He wants to stop the military-industrial complex, big tech and big business from looting the US and using it as a plaything. The fact that military-industrial complex, big tech and big business hate him so much shows he’s not another Bush. Under Trump, becoming a US citizen is a privilege and something to aspire to. Under the Demonrat-RINOs (like our uniparty) visas are given away like toilet paper.

    Trump achieved a lot of what he set out to do- hence the need to sabotage the economy and start smashing cities up not to mention trying to steal the election.

  65. Damon

    “The President continued to make baseless claims of election fraud”
    Their ABC has been meticulous in inserting the word ‘unverified’ in all of its reports of election fraud. One wonders what its highly paid reporters. actually do with their time.

  66. Old School Conservative

    C.L.
    #3681371, posted on December 6, 2020 at 1:59 pm
    A good example of media corruption just heard on ABC radio news.
    The news reader was talking about Trump’s latest speech:
    The President continued to make baseless claims of election fraud…”

    Word for word what AFP said in The Australian today.
    (of course when I challenged the meme my comment was rejected by the censors)

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    ” even though you’re mostly wrong!”

    Not wrong with you Daily Priggery. You’re a total fraud….and as for “But you ‘know’. You just ‘know’….yes I do know…..your dribbling sanctimony and hypocrisy oozes through every comment you make.

  68. miltonf

    The reason I mention the ANU ALP club is because the trolls hear remind me of these entitled prigs
    Australian Labor Party volunteers sent to the U.S. to work on Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign have been secretly filmed stealing Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton hoardings.
    Former Australian National University Labor Club president Ben Kremer features in the 14 minute video – scrambling in the darkness of night, trying to remove Republican candidate Donald Trump’s campaign signs from private property.

    Smug, spoilt, nasty people.

  69. Daily llama

    Hahahahahaha. That’s so funny!

  70. Cassie of Sydney

    “Smug, spoilt, nasty people.”

    That sums up Daily Priggery to a tee.

  71. Daily llama

    Stop it Cassie. 2 of my daughters are here and they can’t stop laughing!

  72. Daily llama

    They think you’re great!

  73. Cassie of Sydney

    “Stop it Cassie. 2 of my daughters are here and they can’t stop laughing!”

    Further proof of your misogynism….fancy telling a woman to “stop it”! Why don’t you “stop it” Daily Priggery?

    You’re a bore and a fraud.

  74. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681433, posted on December 6, 2020 at 2:58 pm
    They think you’re great!”

    Do they know their father is a wanker?

  75. Daily llama

    Hahahahahahahahahaha

  76. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681437, posted on December 6, 2020 at 3:03 pm
    Hahahahahahahahahaha”

    Gosh…I hope you don’t wank in front of them….very unseemly.

  77. Daily llama

    Now that really is funny!!!

  78. Cassie of Sydney

    Clearly you do….you’re a sicko too.

  79. Daily llama

    Too old for that nonsense! Rather a good cup of tea.

  80. Daily llama

    I’ve gotta go. One other question- without scrolling back to find out whom, someone posted comment about Biden’s finger on the button. Can you also acknowledge that a man who sits up all night tweeting endlessly about how wonderful he is and everyone else is wrong etc etc might just be equally dangerous?

  81. Cassie of Sydney

    “Can you also acknowledge that a man who sits up all night tweeting endlessly about how wonderful he is and everyone else is wrong etc etc might just be equally dangerous?”

    You’re an idiot…go back to your wanking…probably the only thing you excel at.

  82. llama : Hey son if you keep this wanking up you’ll go blind.
    Son : Dad …. I’m over here .

  83. Daily llama

    I can read Broille…

  84. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Oh come on, there is no systematic electoral fraud – every time people claim this, it has been rejected by Trump appointed Courts. Just accept he lost, whether you like it or not. It is not dignified to insist that it is a big fraud, it looks like you’re all sore losers. I already said I don’t like Biden, but he has won. And when he stands on the podium on 20 January and is sworn in as the president will you all still insist it is a fraud? In a couple of days the date for the final certification will have past and there is no further legal avenues for Trump. Biden already has won enough electoral college votes that have been certified to be elected so there is zero chance of Trump claiming victory. Then the Electoral College will meet on 14 December and vote for Biden. Surely when the Electoral College votes for Biden you will accept the result? Or are you all going to be conspiracy theorists focused on the past rather than planning for a GOP victory in 2024? For all your ranting and raving, Biden is going to be the President from 20 January 2021. So get over it please

  85. Daily llama

    I recall when Trump threatened to attack Iranian cultural sites, until saner heads prevailed. Curious, I researched Iranian cultural sites. Such an act would be a crime against human civilization. Go and look for yourself

  86. Albatross

    Fuck off now thanks. Bye.

  87. Albatross

    You too Lucy you fucking blowhard.

  88. Daily llama

    Your Tourette’s is bad today Alby

  89. Albatross

    Here’s your mistake you fat-headed mutt: thinking I and many other posters give a tinker’s cuss about the GOP and its fortunes. Get bent.

  90. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Albatross, alright if you don’t care about the GOP and you don’t like the Dems then is it all about the Saint Donald Trump? He’s history mate, that’s a fact no matter how uncivil and no matter how much you rant and rave and express profanities.

    Look, mate, you know you’re on a losing argument when all you can do is to throw insults and rude words at someone.

  91. Albatross

    Now you can return to ploughing yourself, optics-fag. I’m sure another round of pearl-clutching and licking the boots of your enemies will reverse the decades of gains the left have made.

    What’s that Skip? He doesn’t care and just wants his stipend and an invitation to the right dinner parties? Well, blow me down.

  92. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Albatross I think it’s sad that you’re command of the English language seems to be throwing some F words around. Shakespeare managed to write the most eloquent insults without ever resorting to the F word.

  93. Albatross

    While your posts may be largely profanity-free, they are fundamentally offensive to all right-thinking and free people. You’re not as loquacious as you think bud. Your dribbling posts here are case in point.

  94. miltonf

    I think a lot of the problems people like Lucy, Lama and Grip have with Trump is that he is a man with real accomplishments in the real world. Not the world of the tax leach political class. Deep down they are jealous.

  95. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681450, posted on December 6, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    I recall when Trump threatened to attack Iranian cultural sites, until saner heads prevailed. Curious, I researched Iranian cultural sites. Such an act would be a crime against human civilization. Go and look for yourself”

    Oh dear Daily Slime, you seem to forget that everyday Iran threatens Israel…but clearly you don’t have a problem with the fanatical theocrats in Tehran threatening the annihilation of the sole Jewish state on the planet. Why don’t you go and look that up Slime? Such an act would be a “crime against humanity”. The Iranian regime is also, as I write, stating very clearly that every Israeli is now considered a target and thus by extension all Jooos are targets. The Iranian regime has also targeted Joooish communities in the past. Here’s something you can look up Slime…. the bombing of the Jooooish Cultural Centre in Buenos Aires in Argentina in July 1994..which killed over eighty people. You’re showing your unsavoury true colours again Slime…something you’ve been caught out before on.

    Here’s three words for you. You are slime.

  96. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681450, posted on December 6, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    I recall when Trump threatened to attack Iranian cultural sites, until saner heads prevailed. Curious, I researched Iranian cultural sites. Such an act would be a crime against human civilization. Go and look for yourself”

    Oh dear Daily Slime, such sanctimony. You conveniently seem to forget that everyday Iran threatens Israel…but clearly you don’t have a problem with the fanatics in Tehran threatening the annihilation of the sole Joooish state on the planet. Why don’t you go and look that up Slime? Such an act would be a “crime against humanity”. The Iranian regime is also, as I write, stating very clearly that every Israeli is now considered a target and thus by extension all Jooos are targets. The Iranian regime has also targeted Joooish communities in the past. Here’s something you can look up Slime…. the bombing of the Jooooish Cultural Centre in Buenos Aires in Argentina in July 1994..which killed over eighty people. You’re showing your unsavoury true colours again Slime…something you’ve been caught out before on.

    Here’s three words for you. You are slime.

  97. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    all right-thinking and free people

    And what’s that supposed to mean? That just because I think we should accept the verdict of the voters I’m not right thinking? That’s ludicrous. I am profoundly concerned about the state of politics in the West, and the woke culture, climate change hysteria and anti-capitalism. The millennials seem to want a huge move to the left and embrace communism, pull down geniuses like Beethoven etc. It is very concerning that the West is losing its way and lacks to confidence to assert the superiority of its culture and institutions. But there’s not much we can do except continue to argue against this, including for free speech, but unless you think we should start fighting physically you’ll have to accept that the people get what they want and maybe it’s time for the left to get what they want good and hard and some of them might actually gain some needed skepticism.

    In these posts I have just been saying that the election is lost, Biden has won.

  98. Cassie of Sydney

    “I think a lot of the problems people like Lucy, Lama and Grip have with Trump is that he is a man with real accomplishments in the real world. Not the world of the tax leach political class. Deep down they are jealous.”

    Absolutely and Daily Slime has admitted he can’t even wank anymore.

  99. Boambee John

    lucy

    Or are you all going to be conspiracy theorists focused on the past rather than planning for a GOP victory in 2024? For all your ranting and raving, Biden is going to be the President from 20 January 2021. So get over it please

    Some, at least, of us will copy you after November 2016. Remember the time you spent arguing that Trump was not legitimate, claiming that Shrillary had been dudded, and refusing to acknowledge that she had been defeated?

    You have shown us the way ahead for the four years to come. Thank you.

    #Not the Real President. #Resist.

  100. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    I think a lot of the problems people like Lucy, Lama and Grip have with Trump is that he is a man with real accomplishments in the real world. Not the world of the tax leach political class. Deep down they are jealous.

    Jealous? I think not. If Trump had really been accomplished he would have won the election easily and no one would have disputed the result. But he didn’t – he offended many of his supporters. What he did to McCain in Arizona is beyond stupid – he lost Arizona because of his insults to McCain. And why did he do that? He should have kept quiet.

    That’s the trouble with Trump. He doesn’t know when to shut up. And he has an amazing ability to alienate his supporters.

  101. Albatross

    The problem that they have is that he upsets their political order. They want to return to the days when they took money from people who wanted conservatism, did nothing, and rolled over when faced with so much as a stiff breeze. Trump has exposed Conservative Inc. as much as the bastions of the left. Lucy and his ilk have no answers, and will continue to do nothing but dispense terrible advice to conservatives. They should be mocked when they are not ignored completely.

  102. Cassie of Sydney

    “And he has an amazing ability to alienate his supporters.”

    Yeah…right….alienating voters….that’s why Trump received more votes than any Republican candidate in history.

  103. miltonf

    Your just deluded Lucy. Stop kidding yourself. This has been attempted steal.

  104. Albatross

    And we get a range of winning strategies. Trump should have been nicer. Trump shouldn’t fight, just keep quiet. These strategies have never been successful, but this time. Interspersed throughout, MSM cant like “Trump lost Arizona because of McCain”. As for alienating his supporters: is this why he increased his total vote? You are a boring little shill Lucy.

  105. miltonf

    We all know Trump’s achievements both as an entrepreneur and as POTUS. What exactly are Bidet’s apart from enriching himself and his family? All I can think of is humiliating Clarence Thomas, helping out his credit card company buddies and the crime bill. But he’s been in DC since ’73 so there must be other stuff.

  106. Daily llama

    There you go again Cassie. Why does a statement or an opinion have to negate every other? I’m fully cognisant of Israel’s situation- far more than you know. One of my nephews went through high school with a Jewish lad, travelled with him, shared a flat with him, so perhaps I might know a thing or 2?
    But I was discussing Trump’s madness, not Israel vs Iran. At least try and follow an argument.

  107. miltonf

    he offended many of his supporters

    what draws you to this conclusion? CNN tell you or maybe FOX?

  108. Shane

    I am rather taken with Kates’ new designation of LIQ rather than LQC .
    The ‘I’ standing for ‘Ignoramus’ as in ‘Invincible Ignoramus’ of course.
    Definitely nothing Vincible about him.

  109. Lee

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    #3681477, posted on December 6, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    I think you should be far more concerned (if you are conservative or centre-right, as your extremely worthy ideals suggest – which I also agree with, leaving Trump aside) that if Biden becomes president (even more so if it is Harris), everything that you and I support or are in favour of is in far more peril from a Democrat administration than it ever was from Donald Trump.
    By the way, unlike with PDT, I can’t imagine a worse thing for Australia – and the world generally (maybe good for China) – than having an ancient, obviously dementia-suffering president, with a party of absolute loony lefties behind him.
    I still maintain though, that the fraud in this election is quite open and obvious.

  110. egg_

    “I think a lot of the problems people like Lucy, Lama and Grip have with Trump is that he is a man with real accomplishments in the real world. Not the world of the tax leach political class. Deep down they are jealous.”

    +1

    Inmates of the bowtie bubble.

  111. Albatross

    Speaking of not knowing when you shut up, what would you say about a man who made a stupid post, got his shit wrecked by every non-troll poster here, took a flogging from a regular poster who politely laid out the case that he’s an imbecile, and yet continues to scrap in the comments section because he can’t take a hint?

  112. Daily llama

    Ah well, that’s freedom for you!

  113. Albatross

    MRW Lucy makes a post:

  114. Lee

    Some, at least, of us will copy you after November 2016. Remember the time you spent arguing that Trump was not legitimate, claiming that Shrillary had been dudded, and refusing to acknowledge that she had been defeated?

    Now I get it.
    LQC claimed that Trump somehow stole the 2016 election, despite zero evidence, but the Democrats did not steal this election, all evidence to the contrary, even to Blind Freddy.
    No wonder conservatism and centre-rightism is dying here and around the world, with supporters like LQC.
    I suppose you were a faux-Liberal Turnbull supporter too?

  115. EllenG

    Kates: some of think Trump us the fraud and that the election result favouring Biden is nit in any way in doubt. You have so far simply followed your inexplicable adoration for Trump rather than accept the obvious. That’s nit at all a principled position. It just makes you an acolyte. Of a scumbag.

  116. Gavin R Putland

    To my astonishment I have just watched Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog degenerate into a personality cult.

  117. Albatross

    Lucy is a big winner. Here he is before the 2012 US Presidential election:

    I have grave misgivings about a Romney presidency. While I am in full agreement with Steve Kates and most Catallaxy readers about the appalling Obama presidency, I fear that Romney is the most protectionist Republican candidate in history. Perhaps even the most protectionist presidential candidate in history. His pronouncements have been exclusively about an insular US, fear of China, and “protecting jobs”. Where is the vision for an open economy? In truth Romney is a died in the wool mercantalist.

    A Romney administration promises cuts in Government spending – which I applaud – but probably a less efficient tax system. Most fundamentally, a Romney administration would put up the shutters and move to a ‘self sufficient’ United States. That would be a disaster for the US and a disaster for the world.

    Anyone who has read my musings will recognise a pretty conservative and right-wing leaning. But I have a lexicographical preference for free trade and a free market.

    I fear that Romney will make the US market less free than he would inherit from Obama. Perhaps the BBC poll that Steve cites [that only 6% of Australians would vote for Romney] is right for the wrong reasons: supporting Obama because he is less bad than the alternative?

    From Steve’s perspective it is probably fortunate I don’t get to vote. But can anyone – please – give me one reason to vote for Romney rather than against Obama? In my recent post I wrote

    Obama does not deserve a second term

    That is true, but does Romney deserve a first term? I suspect not.

  118. a happy little debunker

    What he did to McCain in Arizona is beyond stupid – he lost Arizona because of his insults to McCain. And why did he do that

    Ok, so Trump can be petty – but not as petty as McCain deliberately shopping around Russian misinformation under the guise of the “steele dossier’ to the FBI and the MSM & then proudly announcing he would ‘do it all again’.

    McCain peddled dangerous & destructive agitprop designed to hurt both his own party & country – because Trump was a meanie.
    GTFOH…

  119. Albatross

    What do you know, this one’s a COVID shill to boot. How unexpected.

  120. Shane

    Albatross
    #3681511, posted on December 6, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    Lucy is a big winner. Here he is before the 2012 US Presidential election: ”

    You are missing the point, Albatros, like all armchair, desk jockey military types who stay safe at home with no overseas service & as a would be member of the Admistrative deep state in good standing if only they would choose him, LIC could never go on record supporting a disruptor of the established order ..because what if the horse he choose lost & there was a paper trail.
    On a much more serious woke note, didn’t Lucy’s avatar LQC own slaves just like George Orwell’s great great grandfather ….just saying ……..has LIC disawowed yet that disturbing aspect of his chosen avatar loudly enough?

  121. Cassie of Sydney

    “Daily llama
    #3681501, posted on December 6, 2020 at 4:16 pm
    Ah well, that’s freedom for you!”

    Nice of you to admit it Slime.

  122. Rabbi Putin

    So how does a fuckwit like LIQ even have privileges to post articles on a place like this? I don’t think we have to keep up the pretense of Voltairian “don’t agree with what you say but blah blah blah” platitudes any more. Not when the other side have been as violent, uncivil and as contemptuous of the traditions of free western society as they have. It’s war against the left now. Kick the bastard off.

  123. Daily llama

    Because, Rabbi, we are it. There is nowhere else. If people can’t have a decent Barney on a site like this, there’s no hope. There seems no ‘moderate centre’ left in public discourse. You don’t have to read Lucy y’know. If you want to ‘kick the bastard off’, the Marxists have already won.

  124. miltonf

    For once Larma I agree with you.

  125. Terry

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
    #3681477, posted on December 6, 2020 at 3:52 pm
    ‘I am profoundly concerned about the state of politics in the West, and the woke culture, climate change hysteria, and anti-capitalism.’

    But not concerned enough (profoundly or otherwise) to fight for it, support those that will, or at the very least STFU and stand aside while those that will, do so.

    Trump fights. His cause is freedom. His opponents are evil tyrants. No politeness can avoid this harsh truth. Willfully ignoring that truth is not dignified, it is naive and cowardly.

    He has successfully rallied a resistance of more than 74 million patriots against creeping totalitarianism – a lot more than that in all likelihood; all of them living, actually entitled to vote, very probably armed to the teeth, and more than just a little pissed off.

    The last thing the guys storming the beaches need, is some sanctimonious tosspot handing out white flags and insisting they wave them enthusiastically (it is the “right” thing to do).

    Given a choice between slightly indelicate freedom or dignified slavery, you enthusiastically choose the latter as if it offers some kind of virtue, and then condescendingly demand others similarly adopt your cowardly choice.

    No.

  126. miltonf

    Spot on Terry- we haven’t had a fighter like Trump since Nixon or maybe Reagan? Reagan was pretty wishy washy as prez though- more worried about the Ruskies than the enemy within maybe. Reagan’s ’64 speech for Goldwater is still worth watching though.

  127. miltonf

    Given a choice between slightly indelicate freedom or dignified slavery, you enthusiastically choose the latter as if it offers some kind of virtue, and then condescendingly demand others similarly adopt your cowardly choice.

    Very well put. Peter Hitchens pissed me off too for similar reasons. He’s been complaining about the yookay being subsumed into the EUSSR for years then disses Trump who is taking on the globalists.

  128. Cassie of Sydney

    “Given a choice between slightly indelicate freedom or dignified slavery, you enthusiastically choose the latter as if it offers some kind of virtue, and then condescendingly demand others similarly adopt your cowardly choice.

    No.”

    Thank you Terry.

  129. Not happy about people calling for LCQ to be kicked off as an article poster.
    Take that censorship crap elsewhere please.

  130. Arky

    Kick this bum off the forum.
    We get enough soft cockery and lettuce leaf fight from Davidson and his team of libertarian Gaylords.

  131. Xword

    Latest news one minute ago Peter Fwit Overton on 9 rubbishing Georgia protests “like the last four weeks didn’t happen”. Hate to admit at 6pm during the week I’m tuning to ABC watching two year old Escape To The Country series. Despite world’s best sort Mel McLaughlin on 7 news, her swarmy hair-dyed presenter mate Fergo is too hard to stomach

  132. Crossie

    Only now are many Americans waking up to just how bad a Biden presidency would be. It will be even worse than they can imagine, but at least there is a growing understanding of where things will end up.

    75 million of them knew all along, it’s the buyer’s remorse from the ones who have been duped by the gaslight media.

  133. Arky

    God. Trust Australia to have it’s only useable right of centre (barely) blog run by a bunch of libertarian weirdos.

  134. Arky

    Also the only country where it’s right party calls itself “Liberal”.
    A horrendous mix of socially degenerate but economically mean and spite- filled bunch of misfits and weirdos. Fatsos, perverts, fake bunyip aristocrats and insincere god- botherers.

  135. Crossie

    But it won’t be over until the Supreme Court makes a decision one way or the other.

    It’s a foregone conclusion that they will find in favour of Biden, most of them are consummate DC swamp creatures. At first I thought it would be a 5:4 decision but I think it’s more likely to be 6:3 or even 7:2 depending on how Amy Coney Barrett votes seeing as she is still an unknown quantity. Only Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito can be trusted to be fearless and do the right thing.

  136. Dot

    Gavin R Putland
    #3681509, posted on December 6, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    To my astonishment I have just watched Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog degenerate into a personality cult.

    No you watched Trump haters troll people who moderately support him or those who are critical of him but think he’s less worse than Biden.

    “Trump is satan”

    “Well, no he’s a human wtih some flaws.”

    “AHA! You think Trump is God!”

    Pretty much the conversation I had with my APS sister a couple of weeks ago.

  137. Dot

    There is nothing liberal or conservative about the Liberal Party. They’re just not Labor.

  138. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From min at 10:27 am:

    “Two bright young reporters attending the rally in Georgia said “ We have … but we have the Constitution . “
    December the 18 th is 45 days after the election so Trump can invoke the 2018 EO and last via Tom ‘ s toons , 2021 was the year Mad Max was defeating the baddies .”

    That gobbledegook makes sense? Sweet cheeses!

  139. Albatross

    Daily llama
    #3681543, posted on December 6, 2020 at 5:16 pm
    Because, Rabbi, we are it. There is nowhere else. If people can’t have a decent Barney on a site like this, there’s no hope. There seems no ‘moderate centre’ left in public discourse. You don’t have to read Lucy y’know. If you want to ‘kick the bastard off’, the Marxists have already won.

    Agree with the sentiment, but you can jam your “moderate centre” up your arse.

  140. Crossie

    Arky
    #3681311, posted on December 6, 2020 at 12:40 pm
    Until the public AND media proprietors value truth over sensation, this will get worse.
    Until the public AND media proprietor value reporting over barracking for a side, this will get worse.
    Those allowing it to get worse should understand the terminus is a fracture.

    No need to go all medieval on private media companies, they are using their own money after all. The ABC however, must be brought to heel. Once they start reporting straight news without an ideological slant then the others will follow suit. The ABC doing the right thing would draw them huge audiences which would further influence the commercial networks. Our government has the power to change the ABC and thus the whole culture and even their own electoral fortunes, they just need to be persuaded to act. At present they are not even criticising the ABC.

  141. Albatross

    Arky you’re too kind to the Liberal Party.

  142. Albatross

    dignified slavery

    That’s basically a /thread from Terry.

  143. Crossie

    Lee
    #3681334, posted on December 6, 2020 at 1:06 pm
    Spare me dignity and spare me politeness. I’ll take Donald Trump any day…at least he fights.

    Cassie, many conservatives and centre-rightists believe they can survive and even win by being Mr Nice Guy.
    It hasn’t and won’t work against an unprincipled and anything-it-takes Left.
    Instead, they will walk all over us, and not give a damn who is hurt.

    It’s already been done six weeks ago in Queensland and about to be perfected in WA in March.

    ScoMo is a lover, or a cuddly koala, not a fighter so don’t look for any help from there.

  144. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Crossie at 6:14 pm:

    ” Only now are many Americans waking up to just how bad a Biden presidency would be. …

    75 million of them knew all along, …

    It is self evident on another thread – they entrust vote counting to some corrupt obese primitive wearing a blonde K-Mart wig, whose tribe spent 2020 burning down the country to which they make no contribution but which feeds them for free nonetheless.

    Americans knew all along what they were getting, they were just too bloody lazy to pay attention and contribute their time an effort. They certainly do not deserve the best of Donald Trump.

    Let ’em starve.

  145. Daily llama

    Let’s have an annual convention! On second thoughts, maybe every 2 years. Give the scars a chance to fade. I make a vindaloo stronger than rust remover.
    Somewhere interesting, like Wilcannia…

  146. Daily llama

    You good to make the donuts Monty?

  147. Albatross

    Nobody here likes you Llama.

  148. Daily llama

    Some of us aren’t as embittered as you. It’s very sad.

  149. Albatross

    What I’m saying, dear fellow, is that your “annual convention” is likely to be a solo affair. Much like your love-life.

  150. Daily llama

    You got that right!

  151. Stu

    Steve – you need to drop everything right now and go and check out Thomas Wictor on YouTube! You and your readers will absolutely love him. Some of you/them may have come across him on Twitter, before he was banned for the laughable reason of expressing a desire to “self-harm” (which was complete BS), under the name Carlos Osweda.

    Do yourself a favour!

  152. egg_

    Llama burgers on the menu?

  153. Daily llama

    There’s gotta be a joke in that. But I won’t reply for fear of self-incrimination!

  154. Rob MW

    As at 9.01pm the Daily Camel wins with 28 bullshits out of 159 inter-mixed grain & grass-fed bullshits.

    Camel gets the award for most out of state mail-in ballots and everybody else is permanently banned from operating a Dominion vote counting machine.

  155. Fisky

    And all that mid east crap, war, refugees, loss of civil liberties, expansion of the power of various agencies while ignoring China was a big part of it.

    It’s even worse than that. Downer has admitted that the Australian government actively sung the praises of China to anyone that would listen. Whenever there was a burst of China-skepticism in Washington, little Johnny Howard the Aussie patriot would get on the blower to Dubbya and tell him, “Chyyyyyyna’s alright Georgey, cut em some slack”.

    The Howard government was the worst ever.

  156. Fisky

    I have grave misgivings about a Romney presidency. While I am in full agreement with Steve Kates and most Catallaxy readers about the appalling Obama presidency, I fear that Romney is the most protectionist Republican candidate in history. Perhaps even the most protectionist presidential candidate in history. His pronouncements have been exclusively about an insular US, fear of China, and “protecting jobs”. Where is the vision for an open economy? In truth Romney is a died in the wool mercantalist.

    Oh dear. Lucy probably thinks China is a bastion of “free trade”! What a moron.

  157. Albatross

    Rob MW
    #3681739, posted on December 6, 2020 at 9:32 pm
    As at 9.01pm the Daily Camel wins with 28 bullshits out of 159 inter-mixed grain & grass-fed bullshits.

    Lucy takes out the lifetime achiever award for services to the establishment.

  158. cohenite

    Some new trolls who rejoice in a joe victory. It’s like talking to someone who prefers eating dogshit to a good steak.

  159. Terry

    ‘cohenite
    #3681789, posted on December 6, 2020 at 10:42 pm’
    It’s like talking to someone who prefers eating dogshit to a good steak.

    You misunderstand their motivation.

    They intend to indulge their authoritarian fantasy of making you eat dogshit, while they dine on the finest steaks (that you paid for) as part of their proper place amongst the ‘elite’; a fantasy borne of self-loathing, a morbid inferiority complex, and a deep-seated need to tell others what to do with their lives since their own are so miserable and pathetic. (Why shouldn’t everyone else be as miserable and pathetic as they?)

    Only too late do they discover they’ve been lined up (against a wall) for an “all you can eat” smorgasbord… of dogshit (blindfold optional) while telling themselves that they probably deserve it and it is all for the greater good. Truly wretched creatures. Beyond redemption.

  160. Oh come on

    Daily Llama = Grigs, no?

  161. Catfeesh?

    It’s a foregone conclusion that they will find in favour of Biden, most of them are consummate DC swamp creatures. At first I thought it would be a 5:4 decision but I think it’s more likely to be 6:3 or even 7:2 depending on how Amy Coney Barrett votes seeing as she is still an unknown quantity. Only Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito can be trusted to be fearless and do the right thing.

    Maybe. They’ll either do their jobs and stick to the Constitution or either kiss their own jobs goodbye via rotation or become members of an expanded SCOTUS that includes 21 leftists.

  162. Bruce

    Meanwhile, in the REAL world:

  163. Epicurious

    Some people have far too much time on their hands.

  164. John Brumble

    @Oh come on

    Probably not. The snide remarks at Cassie were in line with Googlery, but there’s two examples above that just don’t fit in and a common trait that’s missing. It is true that he’s been known to “put on” a persona – take the Ed and Maj pretend right-wing accounts – before falling back into the standard argument-by-google-search-without-reading-the-whole-result. But the examples above are, I think, things that Googlery would be completely incapable of.

    Firstly, Llama somewhat agrees with someone making a reasonably centrist point (think it was Dot; can’t be bothered checking). Googlery would agree with someone making a ridiculously cartoonish right-wing authoritarian point, or the standard leftist pablum, but never someone in the centre.
    Secondly, and this one is the real clincher, you can see towards the end of the last lot of posts where he probably thinks he’s gone a bit too far and tried to make something of a peace. It would have been a bit more honest to say “yeah, maybe there’s a lot more “Trump is the least worst option” than I’ve given most people credit for, how about we start over”, but everyone’s got their pride. And Tailgunner -has- been f/ing ridiculous for weeks now, after all”.
    Finally, Llama just hasn’t argued by bad Google search. I’m sure now it’s been pointed out you’ll be able to work out which long-term sock account Googlery pulled out for us in the Trump discussion, though.

  165. EllenG

    Bruce: a man who says he doesn’t like to read and has a criminal record. Claims he looked at and confirmed that three trailer loads were completed, addressed ballots. But his real angst is that he was kept waiting at a depot. There’s zero evidence of anything here. Like so much of this noise, it’s supposition and extrapolation of suspicion based on not very much.
    Americans now face the reality that reputable Republican electoral officials are being threatened or even targeted for death (by Giuliani). This is all due to Trump’s lies and narcissism.

  166. John Brumble

    EllenG’s post is an excellent example of why bad-faith actors demand specific instances of evidence. This is not to say that assertions or claims do not require evidence; of course they do. What a bad-faith actor will do, however, is to focus only on one point of evidence and provide some sort of justification for it, then refuse to consider it again as if it never existed. And again – providing some sort of justification is not the same as providing evidence that such a thing could not have happened.

    So we get this situation where each individual bit of evidence is excused on the basis that the circumstances could have come about for another reason or in another way (different to evidence that is rejected because it could not have happened that way), and then memory-holed into the “there is no evidence” bucket. Which is easy, because these same people could take a witness statement corroborated by 5 people and supported by close-up video evidence where the perpetrator describes, on camera, exactly what they did while they were doing it and claim it was a performance art piece.

  167. thefrollickingmole

    It’s like talking to someone who prefers eating dogshit to a good steak.

    YOU WILL EAT THE BUGS!

  168. Chris Harper

    There is no acceptance of the result as a fait accompli, every single act by a Biden or, later, a Harris administration will be an act of tyranny.
    There is nothing these people can do, even to the extent of pardoning a thanksgiving turkey, which will have a shred of legitimacy.

  169. EllenG

    John Brumble: here’s the bad faith: people claiming that fraud occurred across ballots of 150m people to the extent that more than 7 million ballots were faked. This assertion is supported by no evidence. Nothing has been put to a court or any authority to justify any part of that assertion. It is entirely reliant on the lies of Trump. The guy in the video is another fake example of evidence. That’s the bad faith.

  170. Chris Harper

    EllenG, to claim at this point that there is no evidence is to do nothing more than demonstrate a determination to reject all evidence out of hand, regardless of how strong it is.

    There is no question whatsoever that systematic and widespread occurred, all that is left to question is whether sufficient evidence can be assembled to support the quite reasonable contention that it altered the outcome of the election.

  171. EllenG

    Harper&Brumble: I look forward to the emergence of something even vaguely adequate to the task of proving that the ballot is out by 7 million votes. So far, a bunch of oxygen thieves like Giuliani defaming and threatening electoral officials – many of whom Republicans who almost certainly voted for Trump. It’s just BS.

  172. Chris Harper

    EllenG,
    What has 7 million votes got to do with it?
    The issue is the few hundreds of thousands of ballots which flipped the few states that Trump was leading in and that gropey dopey China Joe (D, Manchuria) needed to win in order to take the election.
    600,000 mailin votes came in to Philadelphia early Wednesday morning, after the Republican scrutineers had been kicked out of the counting (what the hell was it with that?), which split 99.4% Biden to 0.6% Trump? Sure they did. Move on, move on, nothing to see here.
    Why don’t you look at the evidence, rather than pretending it doesn’t exist.
    Thousands of people have signed affidavits, are they all lying, committing perjury?

  173. EllenG

    If they’ve signed affidavits that prove anything the courts will deal with it. So far, Nada but truck drivers complaining about being delayed and very strange court appearances by people who can barely finish a sentence.
    Next I imagine will the conspiracy of trump appointed judges and Supreme Court?

  174. Chris Harper

    EllenG, What on earth makes you think that this video is anything but a tiny fraction of the evidence available?
    I recommend you use news sources other than the ABC or CNN.

  175. EllenG

    By tiny fraction you mean zero? I’d accept that. And the fact you say it’s evidence at all us my very point.

  176. Albatross

    John Brumble
    #3682079, posted on December 7, 2020 at 12:00 pm
    EllenG’s post is an excellent example of why bad-faith actors demand specific instances of evidence.

    The wall-to-wall repetition of ” no evidence” is just pure propaganda, designed to poison the well of legitimate discourse around the election result. Of course the adjective “significant” comes after the noun, not before as in common parlance. So “no significant evidence” becomes an awkward “no evidence of significant fraud”, hiding the inconvenient adjective as far as possible from the subject.

  177. Kneel

    “So far, Nada but truck drivers complaining about being delayed and very strange court appearances by people who can barely finish a sentence.”

    How about we “Make Orwell Fiction Again” – that might help.
    Nah, way too hard, right? Easier to accept the MSM and Big Tech is on the side of truth, justice and the American way, and go back to sleep.

    Sorry, for my money most Americans finally got a taste of what can and should be, and they want more. They are angry, fed up with BS and armed. It won’t work out well if your plan is to ignore them.

    PS – did you see that “important” people like celebrities and politicians won’t be restricted by the UK’s quarantine restrictions? They’ll have an exemption. Sucks to be you.

  178. Dot

    EllenG
    #3682529, posted on December 7, 2020 at 6:41 pm
    By tiny fraction you mean zero? I’d accept that. And the fact you say it’s evidence at all us my very point.

    What a sad, demented loon.

    You need brutal and in your face cognitive therapy, and very strong psychotropics …

    … and a well earned break.

  179. Visiting American

    EllenG is on the money.
    Kneel; Americans aren’t angry and armed. They are stricken with a pandemic and a president who is making for a disaster. The divide is over a lot of things but mostly the terrible problem of ideology in political life. The extremism here is a mimic of some people in the US. Left and right. It’s sick.

  180. JC

    Ellen G is not on the money, VA. EllenG is a loon and so are you for suggesting a pox on both houses. There’s one simple problem in the US and it’s the Demonrat party. The worst of humanity.

  181. Rex Anger

    [Cut-n-paste from Skye Knew but names changed to poke the guilty…]

    EllenG is on the money.
    Kneel; Americans aren’t angry and armed. They are stricken with a pandemic and a president who is making for a disaster. The divide is over a lot of things but mostly the terrible problem of ideology in political life. The extremism here is a mimic of some people in the US. Left and right. It’s sick.

    Wut?

    Visiting American, I get that the year 2020 is almost over. I get that most people are barely dragging themselves over the line and into the Christmas holidays.

    I even understand that the trolls are feeling the strain more than most, what with their prey’s sudden militancy, deplorable optimism and utter imperviousness to all efforts to diminish and demoralise them…

    But that post? Seriously?!

    C’mon man! The Cat has standards. Even for trolls.

    Flatus is all upset and has gone quiet the last day, EllenG has argued herself into a corner. Grip is reiterating the same tired meme without fresh nuance for the third straight day. Even the Edge Lord has gone silent. And I am starting to fear that Numbers’ last Accidental Discharge might have been terminal.

    What gives, guys? Sleepy Joe is President-Elect, China is ascendant and our own SASR is likely to be a shadow of itself for at least half a decade, maybe more.

    Why are you all so unhappy and lacklustre in your trolling?

    Do you finally not believe your own bullsht anymore?

    To quote your hated Orange Man Bad: Sad!

  182. Albatross

    Visiting American
    #3682683, posted on December 7, 2020 at 10:10 pm
    EllenG is on the money.
    Kneel; Americans aren’t angry and armed. They are stricken with a pandemic and a president who is making for a disaster.

    You seem like a pantywaist bed-wetter.

  183. Dot

    The divide is over a lot of things but mostly the terrible problem of ideology in political life. The extremism here is a mimic of some people in the US. Left and right. It’s sick.

    If only President John McCain could invite them in a never ending war.

  184. Chris Harper

    EllenG, you are making the mistake of confusing your lack of interest in seeing the evidence available with there being no evidence for electoral fraud in the first place.
    You are not the only person who does this, and you will not be the only person who will be shocked when the peaceful and law abiding express their rage over what has happened, and is continuing to happen.
    Right now, those who have been wronged are addressing their grievances through the law, but be very scared of what may happen if the law abiding discover the law does not work.

  185. Jannie

    Visiting American is neither a visitor nor an American, he’s a Chinese bot.

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